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SouthStndJunkie
11-25-2008, 06:59 PM
CANTON, Ohio (AP)—Bruce Smith, the NFL’s career sack leader, and versatile defensive back Rod Woodson are among the four first-time eligibles who made the list of 25 semifinalists for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

The other two are tight end Shannon Sharpe and defensive end John Randle, on a list that will be reduced to 15 before the final vote on Jan. 31 in Tampa, Fla., the day before the Super Bowl.

There will be 17 finalists in all, including senior nominees Claude Humphrey and Bob Hayes and from that 17, four to seven new Hall of Fame members will be chosen.

Also among the 25 is running back Roger Craig, who spent most of his career with San Francisco and has been eligible since 1999 but has never made it this far before. The list also includes three people in the contributor category: former commissioner Paul Tagliabue; Buffalo owner Ralph Wilson and Art Modell, former owner of the Cleveland Browns/Baltimore Ravens.

SouthStndJunkie
11-25-2008, 07:00 PM
The complete list of 25 modern-era semifinalists is as follows:

National Football League

» Cris Carter, WR - 1987-89 Philadelphia Eagles, 1990-2001 Minnesota Vikings, 2002 Miami Dolphins
» Roger Craig, RB - 1983-1990 San Francisco 49ers, 1991 Los Angeles Raiders, 1992-93 Minnesota Vikings,
» Terrell Davis, RB - 1995-2001 Denver Broncos
» Dermontti Dawson, C - 1988-2000 Pittsburgh Steelers
» Richard Dent, DE - 1983-1993, 1995 Chicago Bears, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1996 Indianapolis Colts, 1997 Philadelphia Eagles
» Chris Doleman, DE/LB - 1985-1993, 1999 Minnesota Vikings, 1994-95 Atlanta Falcons, 1996-98 San Francisco 49ers
» Kevin Greene, LB/DE - 1985-1992 Los Angeles Rams, 1993-95 Pittsburgh Steelers, 1996, 1998-99 Carolina Panthers, 1997 San Francisco 49ers
» Russ Grimm, G - 1981-1991 Washington Redskins
» Ray Guy, P - 1973-1986 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders
» Charles Haley, DE/LB - 1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys
» Lester Hayes, CB - 1977-1986 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders
» Cortez Kennedy, DT - 1990-2000 Seattle Seahawks
» Bob Kuechenberg, G - 1970-1984 Miami Dolphins
» Randall McDaniel, G - 1988-1999 Minnesota Vikings, 2000-01 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
» Art Modell, Owner - 1961-1995 Cleveland Browns, 1996-2003 Baltimore Ravens
» John Randle, DT - 1990-2000 Minnesota Vikings, 2001-03 Seattle Seahawks
» Andre Reed, WR - 1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins
» Shannon Sharpe, TE - 1990-99, 2002-03 Denver Broncos, 2000-01 Baltimore Ravens
» Bruce Smith, DE - 1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000-03 Washington Redskins
» Ken Stabler, QB - 1970-79 Oakland Raiders, 1980-81 Houston Oilers, 1982-84 New Orleans Saints
» Paul Tagliabue, Commissioner - 1989-2006 National Football League
» Steve Tasker, Special Teams/WR - 1985-86 Houston Oilers, 1986-1997 Buffalo Bills
» Derrick Thomas, LB - 1989-1999 Kansas City Chiefs
» Ralph Wilson, Owner - 1960-current Buffalo Bills
» Rod Woodson, CB/S - 1987-1996 Pittsburgh Steelers, 1997 San Francisco 49ers, 1998-2001 Baltimore Ravens, 2002-03 Oakland Raiders

SouthStndJunkie
11-25-2008, 07:02 PM
Looks like Terrell Davis is on the list as well.

Rock Chalk
11-25-2008, 07:06 PM
Roger Craig was a good back but he is no ****ing way a hall of famer.

If he gets in and they continue to keep Little out that will be the biggest joke ever.

Atwater His Ass
11-25-2008, 07:08 PM
Screw the hall.

Hogan11
11-25-2008, 07:14 PM
Screw the hall.

Amen

Rock Chalk
11-25-2008, 07:20 PM
Screw the hall.

Id rather screw my wife :) But good luck with that.

spdirty
11-25-2008, 07:23 PM
Steve Tasker and Roger Craig but no Floyd Little or Randy Gadishar? Go to f'in hell hof.

bpc
11-25-2008, 07:26 PM
Steve Tasker and Roger Craig but no Floyd Little or Randy Gadishar? Go to f'in hell hof.

Serious, STEVE F'N TASKER? For what?

No Little, Gradishar or Atwater.

Worst of all, they aren't going to put Shannon in this year even though he broke every statistic for TE's during his time, won 3 championships, 1 with a VERY BAD offensive team in Baltimore where he and Jamal Lewis were the only offense, and basically redefined the position.

The Moops
11-25-2008, 08:09 PM
Floyd has been in the seniors committee vacuum for years. Randy has now joined him. Little has finally stopped caring about the Hall. Gradishar still has a chance. Still without Little or Gradishar in the HOF, the whole process is laughable.

BroncoMan4ever
11-25-2008, 08:31 PM
Serious, STEVE F'N TASKER? For what?

No Little, Gradishar or Atwater.

Worst of all, they aren't going to put Shannon in this year even though he broke every statistic for TE's during his time, won 3 championships, 1 with a VERY BAD offensive team in Baltimore where he and Jamal Lewis were the only offense, and basically redefined the position.

if Sharpe isn't a first ballot Hall of Famer i may have to be going to take a drive to Canton and blow that building right the **** up.

ludo21
11-25-2008, 08:50 PM
TD
Shannon
Bruce
Randle
Woodson

those are my HOF this year.

bpc
11-25-2008, 09:55 PM
I can see Smith, Woodson, Dawson and McDaniel going in.

Somehow I think the NFL will flip the bird to the Broncos and take Tagliabue over Sharpe.

BroncoMan4ever
11-25-2008, 10:22 PM
TD
Shannon
Bruce
Randle
Woodson

those are my HOF this year.


i like that list but i tend to think the actual list will be

Woodson, Thomas, Tagliabue, Smith, Modell and Sharpe

PaintballCLE
11-25-2008, 10:26 PM
i like that list but i tend to think the actual list will be

Woodson, Thomas, Tagliabue, Smith, Modell and Sharpe

haha if woodson, modell, and sharpe get in..........the browns fans might have a mass suicide!

The Moops
11-26-2008, 07:03 AM
They won't put 2 non-players in the Hall at the same time.

It'll be Bruce Smith, Shannon Sharpe, Rod Woodson, either Tags or Modell, and a lineman like Russ Grimm, and they might do something stupid like put Tasker in . . . but, it's my opinion that a special teams player (not including kicker or punter) should ever go in. I mean, what about all those great special teams players from yester-year before they were allowed to go to the Pro Bowl?!

The Broncos had a great special teams player, Ken Criter (remember Criter's Critters?) from the 1970s. But, he's never mentioned . . . even in Denver.

TheReverend
11-26-2008, 07:13 AM
I'd love to see Shannon and TD go in together. How dreamy...

Garcia Bronco
11-26-2008, 07:48 AM
Come on 84.

MileHighMagic
11-26-2008, 08:11 AM
Cris Carter will get in.

P.S. Fu ck Canton and the Hall!<K p Canton!<>

Elway777
11-26-2008, 01:36 PM
This is who I think gets in Chis Carter,Bruce Smith ,John Randle, Ron Woodson and Shannon Sharp. I would love to see TD but the list is too deep this year maybe next year.

epicSocialism4tw
11-26-2008, 02:10 PM
Serious, STEVE F'N TASKER? For what?

No Little, Gradishar or Atwater.

Worst of all, they aren't going to put Shannon in this year even though he broke every statistic for TE's during his time, won 3 championships, 1 with a VERY BAD offensive team in Baltimore where he and Jamal Lewis were the only offense, and basically redefined the position.

There deserves to be 2 Broncos in this year. One of Little, Gradishar, Sharpe, TD, or Atwater.

Sharpe, TD, and Atwater were all the best at their respective positions in their primes. If that doesnt get you into the HOF, then only east coast bias will.

BroncoMan4ever
11-26-2008, 02:22 PM
There deserves to be 2 Broncos in this year. One of Little, Gradishar, Sharpe, TD, or Atwater.

Sharpe, TD, and Atwater were all the best at their respective positions in their primes. If that doesnt get you into the HOF, then only east coast bias will.

not only were Sharpe and TD the best in their primes but they changed the way their positions were played. Sharpe was the first hybrid WR who became a receiver, and TD completely changed running style for the league.

~Crash~
11-26-2008, 04:35 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80ccdad6


would someone embed the hall of fame debate...

BroncoBuff
11-26-2008, 06:17 PM
Buy your tickets to Canton now. This is a fait 'accompli ... oui oui.

~Crash~
11-26-2008, 08:53 PM
they should not have owners ,coaches, punter or ficken kickers take places from players in the HOF ... Add one place for that bunch every 10 years and if noone is worthy in that time frame don't give it to noone .

as for steve tasker **** ST players they are Not in any way worthy !!!!!!!!!!!!!

SA not on the list is Total Bull **** !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

~Crash~
11-26-2008, 08:59 PM
If TD does not get In I am going to be about as pissed as one person could get !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Broncos Need to send everyone of the putzs that vote a full highlight video of every play TD had it would make there heads hurt !!!!!!!!! I would buy that also so they could make some serious cash and help pay TD back for what he did for us and Elway !

Bob's your Information Minister
11-26-2008, 09:16 PM
If Shannon Sharpe makes it into the HOF before DT I will murder humans. That's all I have to say about that.

~Crash~
11-26-2008, 09:33 PM
wow get ready for the crazy train boob cause Sharp is going in this year DT lol nope I bet you are wait tell next at best in prison

BroncoMan4ever
11-26-2008, 10:08 PM
If TD does not get In I am going to be about as pissed as one person could get !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Broncos Need to send everyone of the putzs that vote a full highlight video of every play TD had it would make there heads hurt !!!!!!!!! I would buy that also so they could make some serious cash and help pay TD back for what he did for us and Elway !


a video of all of TD's awesomeness would cause sportswriters heads to explode

enjolras
11-26-2008, 10:54 PM
Is Sharpe even in the ring of fame?

enjolras
11-26-2008, 10:56 PM
If Shannon Sharpe makes it into the HOF before DT I will murder humans. That's all I have to say about that.

I'm assuming then you don't thin Gonzales is a first balloter? After all... it's Sharpes records that he's breaking.

BigPlayShay
11-26-2008, 11:05 PM
Is Sharpe even in the ring of fame?

He'll go into the Ring Of Fame next year, the time frame for both the Hall and the Ring of fame is the same, 5 years. It doesn't seem that way because Elway went into the Ring Of Fame right away as Bowlen waived the 5 year wait, then Zimmerman went into the Ring after 5 years, but was not selected to the Hall in his 1st year of eligibility (Let's hope for the same with TD). So, at halftime of some game next year expect a big celebration for Sharpe that should include his induction to the Ring and the presentation of his Hall of Fame ring as well.

SouthStndJunkie
11-27-2008, 12:09 AM
So, at halftime of some game next year expect a big celebration for Sharpe that should include his induction to the Ring and the presentation of his Hall of Fame ring as well.

That would be sweet.

cutthemdown
11-27-2008, 01:29 AM
Terrel Davis is well loved by media, so is Shannon Sharpe.

The HOF may never let in Little or Gradishar, but players that are involved in the media, had great stats, and won Superbowls often get in.

I wouldn't be surprised if both of those players get in. Atwater maybe as well. Ronnie Lott said after the SuperBowl vs Packers that Atwaters play that game was the most physical, most difference making performance from the safety position he could remember.

They won't all get in this yr but I bet one of them does. My guess would be Sharpe because he really dominated, won Superbowls, has some of the best stats at his position ever, and is in the media.

Atwater His Ass
11-27-2008, 01:47 AM
Atwater's game in Super Bowl XXXII was absolutely phenomenal.

Killericon
11-27-2008, 01:50 AM
If Shannon Sharpe makes it into the HOF before DT I will murder humans. That's all I have to say about that.

They should both be in this class.

montrose
11-27-2008, 06:30 AM
Sadly, it's Sharpe's years in Baltimore that will clinch his trip to Canton. His two seasons, and Super Bowl win, on the East Coast got him in with enough writers to seal his trip. TD, along with Little, Gradishar and company don't have a chance in hell of getting in. Lynch will get in but that's almost exclusively for his work in Tampa Bay and Bailey will have a good shot - mostly because he's still known from his days with the Skins. As far as other Broncos candidates, Nalen didn't talk to the media enough; Rod didn't dance,talk sh*t or have goddy stats; and Atwater played an unappreciated position in a tiny market. After Sharpe, Lynch and Champ, we're looking at a very long time before a Bronco gets serious consideration - like decades.

Dukes
11-27-2008, 08:46 AM
I'm not sure why some of you people think this year will be any different than nearly all past years. Just accept that Broncos will continue to get snubbed.

The Moops
11-29-2008, 09:59 AM
Sharpe will get in this year. He retired as the all-time TE leader in receptions, yards, and touchdowns. Plus, he's got 3 rings.

The only thing holding him back is that he's a Bronco!

Arkie
11-29-2008, 11:36 AM
Shannon Sharpe
John Randle
Rod Woodson
Claude Humphrey

BroncoBuff
11-29-2008, 10:53 PM
If Shannon Sharpe makes it into the HOF before DT I will murder humans. That's all I have to say about that.
Hey Murder Incorporated, I got some bad news for you: Shannon is a lock for next summer ... might even be a unanimos choice. You don't win three Super Bowls on your way to breaking every record imagienable and not get in on the first ballot. I dunno where Derrick stands right now, but Shannon is a lock.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-29-2008, 10:58 PM
Derrick Thomas had a great impact on games than Shannon Sharpe could ever have hoped to have had. I'm not saying Sharpe is not a hall of famer. But if he makes it in before Derrick Thomas, who is now trying to get in for the THIRD YEAR, it will be a crime.

Derrick Thomas > Shannon Sharpe

This is not debatable.

BroncoBuff
11-29-2008, 11:09 PM
Derrick Thomas had a great impact on games than Shannon Sharpe could ever have hoped to have had.
You mean "greater" right? Well, your memory is missing a few key points in his carrer ... how about a brief refresher: Shannon made the two KEY PLAYS against Denver and the Raiders to get the Ravens into the Super Bowl. Ring any bells? DT was a great player, fine. But did he make THE play - two playoff games in a row - to get his team into the Super Bowl? Puh-leeease.

Shannon broke every TE record on the books. Did DT set any records at all? Case closed.

I'm not saying Sharpe is not a hall of famer. But if he makes it in before Derrick Thomas, who is now trying to get in for the THIRD YEAR, it will be a crime.

Derrick Thomas > Shannon Sharpe

This is not debatable.
A crime?

Not debatable?!

Bob, Shannon won't wait at all ... I guarantee it. He's a first-ballot lock. It would be a blatant crime if he does not go in immediately. Anybody knows that.

Now imo DT was great, but iirc no better than Andre Tippett, and Tippett had to wait too.

BigPlayShay
11-29-2008, 11:12 PM
You mean "greater" right? Well, your memory is missing a few key points in his carrer ... how about a brief refresher: Shannon made the two KEY PLAYS against Denver and the Raiders to get the Ravens into the Super Bowl. Ring any bells? DT was a great player, fine. But did he make THE play - two playoff games in a row - to get his team into the Super Bowl? Puh-leeease.


Don't forget the 3rd down conversion in the 1997 AFC Championship that sealed Denver's win an propelled them to the Super Bowl.

SureShot
11-29-2008, 11:12 PM
Shannon physically and mentally abused DT in a game so bad all DT could was hang on his face mask. Sharpe > DT

SouthStndJunkie
11-29-2008, 11:14 PM
Did DT set any records at all? Case closed.


Most sacks in a game:

7.0 Derrick Thomas, Kansas City vs. Seattle, Nov. 11, 1990

Sassy
11-29-2008, 11:15 PM
Don't forget the 3rd down conversion in the 1997 AFC Championship that sealed Denver's win an propelled them to the Super Bowl.

That play against Pitt...awesome...and Elway just awesome to get it there.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-29-2008, 11:15 PM
You mean "greater" right? Well, your memory is missing a few key points in his carrer ... how about a brief refresher: Shannon made the two KEY PLAYS against Denver and the Raiders to get the Ravens into the Super Bowl. Ring any bells? DT was a great player, fine. But did he make THE play - two playoff games in a row - to get his team into the Super Bowl? Puh-leeease.

Shannon broke every TE record on the books. Did DT set any records at all? Case closed.


A crime?

Not debatable?!

Bob, Shannon won't wait at all ... I guarantee it. He's a first-ballot lock. It would be a blatant crime if he does not go in immediately. Anybody knows that.

Now imo DT was great, but iirc no better than Andre Tippett, and Tippett had to wait too.

Look, whatever.

Great pass rushers have more of an impact on the game than great tight ends.

This is not debatable.

When Tony Gonzalez is up for induction I'll give the same benefit of the doubt to Michael Strahan.

Sassy
11-29-2008, 11:17 PM
Of course it's debatable...and you're wrong. You just wanted to argue that's all.

BroncoBuff
11-29-2008, 11:19 PM
Don't forget the 3rd down conversion in the 1997 AFC Championship that sealed Denver's win an propelled them to the Super Bowl.
Yes, at Three Rivers. Excellent point.

And how about props for being the game-winning DECOY in a Super Bowl? The Broncos offense wanted to take Eugene Robinson out of the game in the '97 Bowl vs. GB .... so they ran formations with Shannon going away from the play, and he lured Robinson with him ...it worked. Shannon didn't catch any balls, but Robinson was a non-factor as we ended a 15 year AFC Super Bowl drought. That's a great NFL Films episode ... SB XXXII when they explain how this decoy-ploy worked. Shanahan, Elway, Kubiak, they all said "we beat them with formations."

Bob's your Information Minister
11-29-2008, 11:20 PM
Of course it's debatable...and you're wrong. You just wanted to argue that's all.

Sorry, it's not debatable.

Look at it this way - would you rather have Jared Allen or Tony Gonzalez on the Broncos right now?

BroncoBuff
11-29-2008, 11:22 PM
Look, whatever.

Great pass rushers have more of an impact on the game than great tight ends.

This is not debatable.

When Tony Gonzalez is up for induction I'll give the same benefit of the doubt to Michael Strahan.
Fair enough, but we'd never argue against Gonzo, which it sounds like you're doing against Shannon.

Make no mistake, Gonzo is a first-ballot lock. Even without any rings ;D

Sassy
11-29-2008, 11:25 PM
Sorry, it's not debatable.

Look at it this way - would you rather have Jared Allen or Tony Gonzalez on the Broncos right now?

Of course it is...what are you doing asking if it's not. Everything is debatable.

Shannon and Gonzo both deserved to go in when they are eligible.

What the heck does Jared Allen have to do with it?
Besides, isn't he hurt? LOL!...How can you compare a DE to a TE?

Bob's your Information Minister
11-29-2008, 11:27 PM
What the heck does Jaren Allen have to do with it?


If you can't comprehend why Allen has everything to do with it, then you won't understand why Derrick Thomas absolutely, positively, MUST get in before Shannon Sharpe.

You cannot logically sit there and say Shannon Sharpe had a greater impact on a given football game than Derrick Thomas.

There is a reason why rookie pass rushers go in the top 10 and tight ends usually don't.

BroncoBuff
11-29-2008, 11:28 PM
Sorry, it's not debatable.

Look at it this way - would you rather have Jared Allen or Tony Gonzalez on the Broncos right now?
Sassy's right, it's an unfair comparison, because for one thing, we'd rather replace John Engleberger than Daniel Graham.

Why do you have to take a swipe at Shannon to give DT his props? This is your problem sometimes, Bob ... you have some good takes, but you make them in intentionally obnoxious and insulting ways. Most of us agree on DT, but we don't wanna say so because you're dissing Shannon so much ... get it?

Bob's your Information Minister
11-29-2008, 11:30 PM
Why do you have to take a swipe at Shannon to give DT his props?

Who's taking a swipe? Shannon Sharpe was a great player.

But not nearly as great as Derrick Thomas. There is no comparison.

BroncoBuff
11-29-2008, 11:34 PM
Shannon is one of the top 3 TEs of all-time (Mackey, Winslow, Shannon imo).

But DT is probably NOT one of the Top 3 OLBs of all-time.

From that perspective, your're right: There's no debate.

BroncoBuff
11-29-2008, 11:38 PM
Derrick Thomas absolutely, positively, MUST get in before Shannon Sharpe.
Too late for that.

Best you can hope for is simultaneous.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-29-2008, 11:41 PM
Your logic is faulty. We're not comparing position groups. We're comparing two players.

Who had a greater impact on a given game during their careers?

Shannon Sharpe or Derrick Thomas?

No tight end will EVER have more of an impact on a game than a pass rusher. EVER.

You're talking like Sharpe is Randy Moss or Jerry Rice. He ain't.

BroncoBuff
11-29-2008, 11:53 PM
So by your logic, Plaxico Burruss has had a greater impact than Jon Ogden? Plaxico has scored 6 touchdowns in playoff games, while Ogden has zero.

Again, you must've skimmed over my earlier post, but Shannon scored two HUGE play touchdowns to get the Ravens in the SB, especially the 96-yard TD in Oakland to win the AFC Championship game. And he led the Ravens in recieving that year, too. Sorry, but as good a player as he was, DT cannot match the impact on that franchise, that season, those playoffs, that Lombardi. He just can't match it.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-29-2008, 11:57 PM
So by your logic, Plaxico Burruss has had a greater impact than Jon Ogden? Plaxico has scored 6 touchdowns in playoff games, while Ogden has zero.

No. Left tackles have a bigger impact on the game than every position on offense save quarterback.

And this isn't about stats.

Florida_Bronco
11-29-2008, 11:57 PM
Shannon owned Thomas many times during their careers. The MNF meltdown was just the most graphic and on national TV.

Thomas won't be getting in within the next 5 years. It wouldn't surprise me if he had to wait until the senior committee before they let him in.

Florida_Bronco
11-30-2008, 12:00 AM
BroncoBuff, why are you even debating with Bobo?

The guy is a fool. We both know this.

You are lightyears ahead of him as a knowledgeable football poster. He's also beyond help.

Just take a few pot shots at him and go on your merry way in discussing things with other knowledgeable posters. Bobo is worthless as anything but an internet punching bag.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-30-2008, 12:04 AM
Look at it this way.

You're starting a football team from scratch. Shannon Sharpe and Derrick Thomas are the best players coming out in the draft.

Who do you pick?

SouthStndJunkie
11-30-2008, 12:05 AM
Both deserve to be in the Hall....and both should go in this year.

DT had 126.5 career sacks and owns the single game sack record with 7....and is tied for 2nd with 6 in a game as well. He also had 41 forced fumbles in his career, which is impressive. He averaged 11.5 sacks per year for his career. Those are Hall worthy numbers.

Sassy
11-30-2008, 12:11 AM
Look at it this way.

You're starting a football team from scratch. Shannon Sharpe and Derrick Thomas are the best players coming out in the draft.

Who do you pick?

Starting from scratch...you'd need both.

Florida_Bronco
11-30-2008, 01:00 AM
Starting from scratch...you'd need both.

I'll take Sharpe, the greatest to ever play the position. Thomas does not hold that same distinction.

Ironlung
11-30-2008, 01:32 AM
You guys have to remember that when DT was playing well (this excludes his last couple years ) Boob was a kid, thus making DT a Superman type character in his fat head.

Florida_Bronco
11-30-2008, 01:35 AM
Bobo didn't even live in this country when DT was drafted.

TomServo
11-30-2008, 02:29 AM
F-the hof, i consider it a badge of honor for broncos to Not be in the sham HOF.

TomServo
11-30-2008, 03:14 AM
ooooh michael irvin is in this club...........what a club. might as well join the r and r hof.

Bronco LB 59
11-30-2008, 03:36 AM
I look at that list and I think 17-18 of those players have good cases for the Hall. That's scary. Bruce Smith is the only slam dunk though.

As for Shannon Sharpe, he's deserving of a first ballot induction, but I am not counting on it after what happened to Cris Carter last year.

Sharpe's naysayers in the room are going to belittle his blocking and they will characterize him as a glorified H-back.

Like somebody mentioned earlier, Sharpe's three rings will be a huge feather in his cap. I think his postseason contributions during Baltimore's SB run in 2000 might be the deciding factor that gets him over the top.

BroncoBuff
11-30-2008, 11:48 AM
Sharpe's naysayers in the room are going to belittle his blocking and they will characterize him as a glorified H-back.
That's a myth ... Shannon regularly negated top-flite OLBs, and was very good at containing DEs too. I don't know where the "Shannon doesn't block well" myth started, but it's not true.

Florida_Bronco
11-30-2008, 12:04 PM
That's a myth ... Shannon regularly negated top-flite OLBs, and was very good at containing DEs too. I don't know where the "Shannon doesn't block well" myth started, but it's not true.

Watch some of the old videos of him blocking DT. He got the best of DT on a pretty regular basis.

BroncoBuff
11-30-2008, 12:05 PM
Watch some of the old videos of him blocking DT. He got the best of DT on a pretty regular basis.
Yes, especially that game that's been mentioned in 98. Bob has a selective memory there ... Shannon owned DT pretty regularly.

Florida_Bronco
11-30-2008, 12:11 PM
Yes, especially that game that's been mentioned in 98. Bob has a selective memory there ... Shannon owned DT pretty regularly.

Not selective memory, he just doesn't know any better.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-30-2008, 12:17 PM
Yes, especially that game that's been mentioned in 98. Bob has a selective memory there ... Shannon owned DT pretty regularly.

What? Selective memory? Where do you see me saying DT owned Sharpe?

The fact of the matter is they rarely matched up against each other. Sharpe wasn't an offensive tackle, you know?

Come on, this **** isn't hard.

Pass rushers > tight ends.

End of story.

BroncoBuff
11-30-2008, 12:23 PM
The mistake you made was comparing the two. Shannon is a first-ballot lock, one of the 3 best tight ends to ever play the game.

On the other hand, DT might not even be one of the three best LBs in AFL/AFC West history. DT deserves to get in, but that doesn't change the fact that Shannon is a much more historically significant and outstanding tight end than Derrick Thomas is a LB. Comparing apples and oranges doesn't change that fact. And using apples and oranges comparisons to feebly try to tweak Broncos fans doesn't get you anything. It just makes you a hater.


Shannon = Canton Lock in '09.

Florida_Bronco
11-30-2008, 12:25 PM
How about this? Name significant contributions DT made in the post season.

I await your list.

Bob's your Information Minister
11-30-2008, 12:26 PM
The mistake you made was comparing the two. Shannon is a first-ballot lock, one of the 3 best tight ends to ever play the game.

On the other hand, DT might not even be one of the three best LBs in AFL/AFC West history. DT deserves to get in, but that doesn't change the fact that Shannon is a much more historically significant and outstanding tight end than Derrick Thomas is a LB. Comparing apples and oranges doesn't change that fact. And using apples and oranges comparisons to feebly try to tweak Broncos fans doesn't get you anything. It just makes you a hater.


Shannon = Canton Lock in '09.

You're using faulty logic.

We're not comparing position groups.

If we were, it would be way too easy to leave all kinds of players out of the hall of fame.

Why do you think multiple quarterbacks get in almost every year?

The TRUTH is that Derrick Thomas affected games in a way Shannon Sharpe never could. That is FACT. Undeniable FACT.

Pass rushers will ALWAYS have a great impact on the game than tight ends.

FOREVER.

Florida_Bronco
11-30-2008, 12:31 PM
You're right Bobo. DT melted down on national TV and gave several personal fouls on one drive.

Shannon, on the other hand, would routinely make big plays to help his team advance to...and win...3 Super Bowls.

So you're right. DT did affect games in a way Shannon didn't.

Sassy
11-30-2008, 12:41 PM
The TRUTH is that Derrick Thomas affected games in a way Shannon Sharpe never could. That is FACT. Undeniable FACT.

Shannon has 3 rings. Shannon owned DT. THAT IS UNDENIABLE FACT!
Watch him in the afc championship games...just to mention a couple!
CASE CLOSED BOBO...or do you just like to hear yourself talk?

Bronx33
11-30-2008, 12:43 PM
Damn! bob just has a knack for saying the wrong shyt at the wrong time for no reason what so ever. ( you go girl!)

BroncoBuff
11-30-2008, 12:49 PM
The TRUTH is that Derrick Thomas affected games in a way Shannon Sharpe never could.

That is FACT.

Undeniable FACT.
"That is undeniable FACT" .... sad. Why cxan't you give props to your guy without hating our guy? That's a major personality flaw, sir. And why do I keep trying with you, Bob? Shannon made plays and affected important games in numerous ways DT never even had a CHANCE to affect. We've already quoted you several examples of HUGE impacts he made in playoff games and Super Bowls. One more time - and you better either answer or bow down you weiner:

'97 - Caught huge 3rd down conversion to keep late 4th qtr drive alive to beat Pittsburgh on the road in AFC Championship game (the week after we beat the chefs in shallowhead)
Decoy in '97 SB win over Packers. Kubiak said, "we beat them with formations." Formation = Shannon decoying Eugene Robinson away from the play. Unlike today's divas, he never complained about being the sacrificial decoy that day, he was just happy to win a ring.
Long catch to the 1-yard line vs. Falcons setting up first score in SB XXXIII (he was injured on the play and missed the rest of the game)
2000 Playoffs: caught double ricochet pass for long TD vs. Denver
96-yard TD catch in Oakland in AFC Championship game, putting the Ravens into the Super Bowl
As a TE, he led the Ravens in receiving their SB year.

Your move, Bob ... gimme just ONE important game where DT made an impact like these we've listed. Or else bow down. :notworthy

Bob's your Information Minister
11-30-2008, 12:54 PM
Why cxan't you give props to your guy without hating our guy? T

Again, I am not hating. Sharpe was a great player.

Thomas was greater. He affected the game in a way Sharpe never could.

Rod Smith and Terrell Davis were the greater threats during Denver's Super Bowl years.

Bronx33
11-30-2008, 12:56 PM
Holy **** why your boy friend hasen't choked you out bob i beyond me.

Sassy
11-30-2008, 12:58 PM
How did he affect the game in a way Sharpe never could? You just keep babbling with no info to back your statement....

The SB years...yeah Rod, TD, Elway, Nalen, Griffith, etc...it was a TEAM EFFORT those SB years and Shannon was a huge part of that.
This team had what...3 or 4 huge losses in a row that year at the end of the season and they got it together after Elway had a chat
with them and came back as a TEAM to advance to the playoffs and win SB 32.

BroncoBuff
11-30-2008, 12:58 PM
Again, I am not hating. Sharpe was a great player.

Thomas was greater. He affected the game in a way Sharpe never could.

Rod Smith and Terrell Davis were the greater threats during Denver's Super Bowl years.
No examples, just re-statements.

We win.

Florida_Bronco
11-30-2008, 12:58 PM
Like I said, DT did have a greater impact...it was just a negative impact.

Sassy
11-30-2008, 12:59 PM
"That is undeniable FACT" .... sad. Why cxan't you give props to your guy without hating our guy? That's a major personality flaw, sir. And why do I keep trying with you, Bob? Shannon made plays and affected important games in numerous ways DT never even had a CHANCE to affect. We've already quoted you several examples of HUGE impacts he made in playoff games and Super Bowls. One more time - and you better either answer or bow down you weiner:

'97 - Caught huge 3rd down conversion to keep late 4th qtr drive alive to beat Pittsburgh on the road in AFC Championship game (the week after we beat the chefs in shallowhead)
Decoy in '97 SB win over Packers. Kubiak said, "we beat them with formations." Formation = Shannon decoying Eugene Robinson away from the play. Unlike today's divas, he never complained about being the sacrificial decoy that day, he was just happy to win a ring.
Long catch to the 1-yard line vs. Falcons setting up first score in SB XXXIII (he was injured on the play and missed the rest of the game)
2000 Playoffs: caught double ricochet pass for long TD vs. Denver
96-yard TD catch in Oakland in AFC Championship game, putting the Ravens into the Super Bowl
As a TE, he led the Ravens in receiving their SB year.

Your move, Bob ... gimme just ONE important game where DT made an impact like these we've listed. Or else bow down. :notworthy

He can't do it...it's an UNDENIABLE FACT ;D

Bob's your Information Minister
11-30-2008, 01:03 PM
No examples, just re-statements.

We win.

Who do you think kept opposing coordinators up longer the night before a game?

Sharpe or Thomas?

Bronx33
11-30-2008, 01:04 PM
but but but.....

Bronco LB 59
11-30-2008, 01:33 PM
That's a myth ... Shannon regularly negated top-flite OLBs, and was very good at containing DEs too. I don't know where the "Shannon doesn't block well" myth started, but it's not true.

Sharpe developed the rep from his pre-Shanahan playing days. It's not a valid knock, but some HOF voters will use it against him during his closed door discussion.

Ozzie Newsome was an awful blocking tight end (the worst in the HOF) and it didn't stop him from getting inducted.

Bob's your Information Minister
01-31-2009, 06:27 PM
Derrick Thomas had a great impact on games than Shannon Sharpe could ever have hoped to have had. I'm not saying Sharpe is not a hall of famer. But if he makes it in before Derrick Thomas, who is now trying to get in for the THIRD YEAR, it will be a crime.

Derrick Thomas > Shannon Sharpe

This is not debatable.

Thanks. See ya!

Bob's your Information Minister
01-31-2009, 06:28 PM
Bob, Shannon won't wait at all ... I guarantee it. He's a first-ballot lock.

Pwned!

Miss I.
01-31-2009, 06:36 PM
Shannon will get in. It's only a matter of when. They make the criticisms they do so they can justify why it wasn't this time, but none of the arguments will keep him out for very long. I agree with others that next year will be tough with Jerry Rice (who is basically a lock). But the HOF is not any more relevant about judging real merit then the Academy Awards are about really identifying the best of the best. It's a popularity contest that limits the # of people they can put in so necessarily someone gets left out each year. Eventually Shannon, amongst others will get in.

Inkana7
01-31-2009, 06:43 PM
You showed 'em all, Bob! Dreams can come true!

http://www.ulster.ac.uk/news/images/special-olympics.jpg

KCStud
01-31-2009, 09:13 PM
Sharpe will get in, just not for awhile. Sharpe will have to wait a few years. This is most likely because Tony Gonzalez is shattering his broken records.

And SB's don't make a player better than another. If you go by that standard, than Elway is not a top 3 QB of all time

Bob's your Information Minister
01-31-2009, 09:15 PM
We should move on.

Will Sharpe get in before Will Shields?

Mushmouth
01-31-2009, 09:32 PM
Iba willba getba inba before Iba canba speakba the englishba languageba.

La Caspa Del Diablo
01-31-2009, 09:34 PM
Sharpe will get in, just not for awhile. Sharpe will have to wait a few years. This is most likely because Tony Gonzalez is shattering his broken records.

Tony Gonzalez has nothing to do with Sharpe not getting in.

None of the Hall Fame's seven tight ends got in on the first ballot. Kellen Winslow (3 years) and Ozzie Newsome (4 years) were the only two HOF tight ends that didn't have to wait in double digits.

Mushmouth
01-31-2009, 09:35 PM
Yesba heba doba:strong: :yayaya: :yayaya: :yayaya:

La Caspa Del Diablo
01-31-2009, 09:39 PM
We should move on.

Will Sharpe get in before Will Shields?

Based on Randall McDaniel waiting three years, Shields won't be a first ballot HOFer. Larry Allen is the only slam dunk, first ballot offensive lineman from the 1990s.

Sharpe will get in 3-4 years tops going by the time it took Winslow and Newsome to get there. In fact, I would say there's a good chance Sharpe gets in during his second year and has the shortest wait of any TE in history:strong:

Mushmouth
01-31-2009, 09:42 PM
Untilba Tonyba Gonzalezba becomesba a firstba ballotba Hallba ofba Famerba

theAPAOps5
01-31-2009, 09:52 PM
Pwned!

Kind of like the pwning you and your piece of **** WPI took with the Mike Shanahan rumors. You and your pathetic wannabe co-journalist sure did get a big fat piece of own.

Now go back to bed and spooning Momma.

Florida_Bronco
01-31-2009, 09:53 PM
Kind of like the pwning you and your piece of **** WPI took with the Mike Shanahan rumors. You and your pathetic wannabe co-journalist sure did get a big fat piece of own.

Now go back to bed and spooning Momma.

Hell, I might as well mention in this thread that I've exposed Bobo for being an outright liar about having inside sources.

That's right folks...Bobo has no inside sources to the Chiefs!!

I can prove it.

Bob's your Information Minister
01-31-2009, 10:24 PM
Kind of like the pwning you and your piece of **** WPI took with the Mike Shanahan rumors. You and your pathetic wannabe co-journalist sure did get a big fat piece of own.

Now go back to bed and spooning Momma.

I'd feel bad if any of that were true.

Hercules Rockefeller
01-31-2009, 10:30 PM
I'd feel bad if any of that were true.

The only person that has read that thread and didn't think you got your ass handed to you, was you and only you. It went from being hilarious in the beginning to just plain sad because you kept coming back for more and kept getting smacked down.

Arkie
01-31-2009, 11:03 PM
That's okay. Elway led his team to a record 5 super bowls. The Broncos being held to a different standard makes the accomplishments of these two more special.

http://www.profootballhof.com/assets/hof/Elway_John_Induction_180-220.jpghttp://www.profootballhof.com/assets/hof/Zimmerman_Induction_180-220.jpg

bpc
02-01-2009, 12:19 AM
Serious, STEVE F'N TASKER? For what?

No Little, Gradishar or Atwater.

Worst of all, they aren't going to put Shannon in this year even though he broke every statistic for TE's during his time, won 3 championships, 1 with a VERY BAD offensive team in Baltimore where he and Jamal Lewis were the only offense, and basically redefined the position.

bump my own post from back in the day. Called it way before the screw job actually happened. SCREW the Hall of Fame.

Mushmouth
02-01-2009, 12:26 AM
bump my own post from back in the day. Called it way before the screw job actually happened. SCREW the Hall of Fame.

Yourba momma screwed the Hall of Fameba. Twice with Marcus Allenba.Hilarious! Hilarious! ^5 :yayaya: :yayaya: :~ohyah!:

cutthemdown
02-01-2009, 04:12 AM
Hell, I might as well mention in this thread that I've exposed Bobo for being an outright liar about having inside sources.

That's right folks...Bobo has no inside sources to the Chiefs!!

I can prove it.

Anyone who ever believed he did I have some beach property in Galveston Texas that is ready to built on.

The only inside source boba has is the baker down at the corner doughnut shop. He calls and lets him know when the apple fritters are done.

rastaman
02-01-2009, 08:32 AM
Those crack pot HOF selectors/voters have the attitude toward WR's that only the Great Jerry Rice gets in as a first time HOFer as a WR. To have allowed any WR who played in the same era of Rice to get in ahead of him is unfathomable and sacrilegious. Sorry but this is how those Prema Donna's think!

Now, Rice is eligible next year and will be inducted as a first time HOFer. And b/c the HOFer voters will want Rice to share the stage all by himself as far is WR are concerned. So next year Shannon Sharpe won't get in either.

But who knows, perhaps in 2011, a slew of WR's like Sharpe, Carter, and Reed will finally get the call.

Also a little side note, Bob Hayes finally made it into the HOF thirty-four years after he retired, but he's already passed away!! So there's still hope for Gradishar I just want to see him inducted while he's still ALIVE and HEALTHY.

CHIEF4EVER
02-01-2009, 08:59 AM
Based on Randall McDaniel waiting three years, Shields won't be a first ballot HOFer. Larry Allen is the only slam dunk, first ballot offensive lineman from the 1990s.

Sharpe will get in 3-4 years tops going by the time it took Winslow and Newsome to get there. In fact, I would say there's a good chance Sharpe gets in during his second year and has the shortest wait of any TE in history:strong:

Good post. I would agree on all points in this post. I'm just glad DT finally made it in. It's about freaking time.

theAPAOps5
02-01-2009, 09:09 AM
Good post. I would agree on all points in this post. I'm just glad DT finally made it in. It's about freaking time.

I agree Thomas deserved to get in. Imagine if he would have been able to play out his career. First ballot HOF for sure then.

CHIEF4EVER
02-01-2009, 09:18 AM
I agree Thomas deserved to get in. Imagine if he would have been able to play out his career. First ballot HOF for sure then.

No doubt. Don't worry about Sharpe not getting in. I can imagine he will be in within 2 or 3 years. Maybe next year with a bit of luck.

CHIEF4EVER
02-01-2009, 09:21 AM
TAMPA, FLA. -- Bruce Smith, Rod Woodson and Derrick Thomas, all witnesses for the defense. All Pro Football Hall of Famers.

The three were elected on Saturday along with longtime Buffalo Bills owner Ralph Wilson, who at age 90 will be the oldest person ever inducted; former Minnesota guard Randall McDaniel; and the late Bob Hayes, a standout wide receiver for Dallas and the 1964 Olympic 100 meters gold medalist.

Inductions will be Aug. 8 in Canton, Ohio.

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/story/1389643.html

Bronx33
02-01-2009, 09:21 AM
Steve F****tasker?