Al Gore - where are all the hurricanes?

[barryr]

Come on, make another movie based on nothing but "facts" and tell us more about global warming. But where are all the hurricanes that have been predicted the last couple of years by you and the global alarmists?

"Record inactivity continues: Past 24-months of Northern Hemisphere TC activity (ACE) lowest in 30-years."

Oh, that explains the silence

http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/tropical/

[Garcia Bronco]

LOL. I remember people blaming the huge hurricane season we had on Gearge Bush. It was amusing.

[spdirty]

The hurricanes didnt come because Obama told them not to. And now that Obama is president, I doubt the hurricanes will come back.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Didn't you hear? Obama completely reversed the global warming trend with his acceptance speech on Tuesday. Next up, he's going to resurrect all the polar bears and send the killer bees to a better place.

[barryr]

LOL!!! I forgot about Obama and his magic touch. I guess the lefty global alarmists are waiting for the next hurricane to hit, whenever that may be, to tell us the sky is falling again and why yes, it's Bush's fault. Come to think of it, without Bush around, they will need to find a new scapegoat.

I think Al Gore is too busy to worry about hurricanes anyway, since flying in your private jet releasing clean and good for the environment fumes will do that.

[Bronco Yoda]

So, are you trying to say global warming isn't a reality?

[Garcia Bronco]

LOL!!! I forgot about Obama and his magic touch. I guess the lefty global alarmists are waiting for the next hurricane to hit, whenever that may be, to tell us the sky is falling again and why yes, it's Bush's fault. Come to think of it, without Bush around, they will need to find a new scapegoat.

I think Al Gore is too busy to worry about hurricanes anyway, since flying in your private jet releasing clean and good for the environment fumes will do that.

I disagree. People will blame things on Bush for years to come until all the political capital is utterly spent.

[Garcia Bronco]

So, are you trying to say global warming isn't a reality?

The globe warms and it cools. Like everything is nature it's a cycle. That doesn't mean we should be liberal with our environment. Man made global warming is very much in doubt until we have more data.

[TailgateNut]

What a circle jerk of morons. To dismiss global warming as a farce shows the lack of intelligence.

[Hotrod]

I disagree. People will blame things on Bush for years to come until all the political capital is utterly spent.

Agree 100%

FWIW I really dont blame them. It worked well for Barry and the dems this election cycle.

[Garcia Bronco]

What a circle jerk of morons. To dismiss global warming as a farce shows the lack of intelligence.

Who said it was a farce?

[Atlas]

I don't understand this thread. There was one of the largest hurricanes on record that just ripped through south TX. That area is still a total lose. In fact right now a hurricane is going to hit Cuba. Being November 6 it is one of the latest Hurricanes on record. Due to the warming of oceans hurricanes might be happening later in the season.

[Hotrod]

I don't understand this thread. There was one of the largest huirrincane on record that just ripped through south TX. That area is still a total lose. In fact right now a hurricane is going to hit Cuba. Being November 6 is one of the latest Hurricanes on record. Due to the warming of oceans hurricanes might be happening later in the season.

Texas does not count ;)

[Atlas]

Texas does not count ;)

I agree, especially South texASS but I had to make my point.

[Meck77]

I want cheap gas!
I want clean air!
I want America to be independent of foreign oil!
I don't want to pollute America so no offshore drilling!
I want to stop global warming!
I want cheap gas!

and around and around we go............

If only we could pin all the worlds problems on one idiot.

[Hotrod]

I want cheap gas!
I want clean air!
I want America to be independent of foreign oil!
I don't want to pollute America so no offshore drilling!
I want to stop global warming!
I want cheap gas!

and around and around we go............

If only we could pin all the worlds problems on one idiot.

LOL awesome

[ScottXray]

The hurricanes are only a symptom. Maybe they are all going into the World Hurricane Bank, being saved up for when the sun exits it current quiet phase. Seems like the sun is currently cooling which may be why the **** hasn't hit the fan yet. Maybe the creator is giving us a break, and one more chance?

As to whether we are creating global warming , the question remains if we even know enough to say anything about it. It appears that global warming is real, but climate change is such a slow process that we don't reaally have enough data over a long enough time period to definitively say that we are actually contributing to it .

I do know that it is apparent that warming is real, and it can't possibly hurt to cut back on carbon emissions, whereas it appears that not doing so would be foolish, just on economic terms alone and future needs. Once we burn it all up what will we do?

anyway, it appears that its not nice to **** with mother nature. She has a mean streak.

[Meck77]

anyway, it appears that its not nice to **** with mother nature. She has a mean streak.

or live in an area that has well known and established destructive weather patterns. "Oh but I'll rebuild damit!"

[Bronco Yoda]

The globe warms and it cools. Like everything is nature it's a cycle. That doesn't mean we should be liberal with our environment. Man made global warming is very much in doubt until we have more data.

Or perhaps when we choose not to overlook the mountains of data already out there.

[Garcia Bronco]

Or perhaps when we choose not to overlook the mountains of data already out there.

At best you can draw a correalation and any researcher worth a damn will tell a correalation is not causation.

[Tom H.]

Texas does not count ;)

I know you're just being humorous but we felt the impact for a few weeks here in NC from that hurricane that hit Texas. We had little gas and had to carpool during that time. Texas counts!!! :)

[Denver Crush]

We need an international mass transit rail line powered by anything but black gold.

[TheDave]

I do enjoy scientifically ignorant circle jerks... LOL

By the way you have all been reported to the newly formed "Anti-liberal Thought" Department. A hybrid vehicle will be by shortly to take you into custody for "Re-Education" purposes.

[Garcia Bronco]

I do enjoy scientifically ignorant circle jerks... LOL

By the way you have all been reported to the newly formed "Anti-liberal Thought" Department. A hybrid vehicle will be by shortly to take you into custody for "Re-Education" purposes.

Who are you refering to?

[barryr]

I do enjoy scientifically ignorant circle jerks... LOL

By the way you have all been reported to the newly formed "Anti-liberal Thought" Department. A hybrid vehicle will be by shortly to take you into custody for "Re-Education" purposes.

You must since you participate and normally start so many of them.

[TheDave]

Who are you refering to?

The scientifically ignorant... I thought that was pretty clear.

[TheDave]

You must since you participate and normally start so many of them.

Wow... an "I know you are, but what am I" retort. Good Job...:thumbs:

[ak1971]

I do enjoy scientifically ignorant circle jerks... LOL




Do you get that on pay per view, or is it only available on dvd?

[cutthemdown]

It's not the global warming isn't happening. Climate change is part of the earths cycle.

It's all the dire consequences that will turn out to be b.s

[TheDave]

Do you get that on pay per view, or is it only available on dvd?

Not sure about cable... I sprung for the DVD box set.


Good Stuff :thumbs:

[colonelbeef]

What a circle jerk of morons. To dismiss global warming as a farce shows a lack of intelligence.


this

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

What a circle jerk of morons.

That should have been the title of this thread.

[Bronco Bob]

It's not the global warming isn't happening. Climate change is part of the earths cycle.


No one ever said Climate Change wasn't part of earth's natural cycle.
What does that have to do with the Global Climate change going on right
now? What's going on right now has nothing to do with any natural cycles.
That's the whole point. We are creating an unnatural situation by
continuing to pump CO2 into the air.

It's like a pond dries up every summer and the winter rains
fill it up again. Then one February someone comes along
and pumps it dry. So the deniers all argue, well it's
just a natural cycle that the lake is dry.




It's all the dire consequences that will turn out to be b.s

Are you willing to risk you children and grandchildren's live on it being BS?

[cutthemdown]

There is no way they know exactly how the ocean will behave under warmer temps. The melting glaciers is changing the salinity of the ocean and some people think they got those models wrong.

We should still IMO prepare for a higher sea level and storm walls etc. Wasting money trying to reverse something we can't reverse is foolish. We should be concentrating on crops that will do well in higher temps, water conservation, sea walls etc. Go ahead and plan for sea level to be higher on any new construction.

We may not be having more storms but that could change next yr or yr after.

I'm not convinced humans to blame for climate change, or that we can stop it, but to ignore possible outcomes of a warmer earth would be shortsighted and foolish. On the other hand spending too much money to quickly to try and fix things we may not be able to reverse would also be foolish.

[stugotsII]

There is actually ZERO scientific evidence that man has anything to do with any minimal warming of the planet the last 100 years.

Zero.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

There is actually ZERO scientific evidence that man has anything to do with any minimal warming of the planet the last 100 years.

Zero.

Dumbest post ever.

W*GS, who hates liberals more than just about anyone on this forum, studies climate change for a living, and he would be the first to tell you that you are full of sh*t.

[Bronco Bob]

There is actually ZERO scientific evidence that man has anything to do with any minimal warming of the planet the last 100 years.

Zero.

Are you a complete idiot, or just a tool?

What the hell does a moron like you know
about science anyway?

Go put a saddle on your dinosaur and ride
off into the sunset.

[W*GS]

Dumbest post ever.

W*GS, who hates liberals more than just about anyone on this forum, studies climate change for a living, and he would be the first to tell you that you are full of sh*t.

Write this down, folks...

I agree with LABF 100%.

stugotsII is full of ****.

[W*GS]

barryr, you know not of what you write.

[Play2win]

The scientifically ignorant... I thought that was pretty clear.

but, But, BUT... its all facts because its on wikipedia...


Its all TRUE... G'it er Dun... I saw it on Wikipedia...


Hilarious! :rofl: :rofl:

[Bronco_Beerslug]

There is actually ZERO scientific evidence that man has anything to do with any minimal warming of the planet the last 100 years.

Zero.Geeeezus, makes me wonder how many more of these "educated Americans" there are in the country that are allowed to vote and have children.

[TailgateNut]

There is actually ZERO scientific evidence that man has anything to do with any minimal warming of the planet the last 100 years.

Zero.


The turds my dogs deposit in the back yard have a higher IQ than you do!

[Garcia Bronco]

The scientifically ignorant... I thought that was pretty clear.

What do you mean by scientifically ignorant? Do you mean empirical methods? The sciences themselves?

[Rohirrim]

There is actually ZERO scientific evidence that man has anything to do with any minimal warming of the planet the last 100 years.

Zero.

:stupid:

What about the fact that Sarah Palin bought all warm weather clothes at Neiman Marcus and took them back to Alaska with her, eh? Maybe she knows something you don't know?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The Weekly Carboholic: new data reveals human-caused warming at both poles (http://www.buzzflash.net/story.php?id=78243)

[Spider]

Huh seems to me FEMA just got done with a huge one a month and a half ago in Texas ...... I was on that ........Hauling supplies down there for FEMA , including porta potties ......

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Huh seems to me FEMA just got done with a huge one a month and a half ago in Texas ...... I was on that ........Hauling supplies down there for FEMA , including porta potties ......

Yep.

You have to wonder if the dink who started this thread owns a TV set.

[TDmvp]

http://991.com/newGallery/Johnny--The-Hurricanes-Stormsville-299578.jpg


yea shoot me , I'm padding my thread count . :wave:

[alanm]

No one ever said Climate Change wasn't part of earth's natural cycle.
What does that have to do with the Global Climate change going on right
now? What's going on right now has nothing to do with any natural cycles.
That's the whole point. We are creating an unnatural situation by
continuing to pump CO2 into the air.

It's like a pond dries up every summer and the winter rains
fill it up again. Then one February someone comes along
and pumps it dry. So the deniers all argue, well it's
just a natural cycle that the lake is dry.





Are you willing to risk you children and grandchildren's live on it being BS?

Quick... everyone quit breathing.

[Rohirrim]

Here comes Paloma.
http://www.goes.noaa.gov/GIFS/HUIR.JPG

[kappys]

What do you mean by scientifically ignorant? Do you mean empirical methods? The sciences themselves?

What he means is people who think that they can spend 2-3 hours reading through climate change articles on the internet and acheive a level of understanding sufficient to refute scientific data that has acheived overwhelming consensus by scientists who have dedicated their entire lives to studying in the field. Obviously those guys are the real idiots since they've wasted countless hours looking into it when Barry figured it out in less than half a day.

Its the same sort of lunacy that Gaffney trots out here when he claims to have figured out that the WTC collapse could not have happened without a planned demolition becuase a dozen hours of internet research have now given him a clear understanding of structural engineering.

[Pseudofool]

It's threads like this that make me support euthanasia.

[Bronco Bob]

Hurricane Paloma makes landfall in Cuba


MIAMI (AFP) — Dangerous Hurricane Paloma made landfall Saturday on
Cuba's southeast coast as a powerful Category 3 storm, the Miami-based
US National Hurricane Center reported.
"At approximately 6:20 pm (2320 GMT) ... major Hurricane Paloma likely
made landfall near Santa Cruz del Sur, Cuba, as a strong Category 3
hurricane with maximum sustained winds near 125 miles (200 kilometers)
per hour," the NHC said in a special bulletin.

The storm intensified to an "extremely dangerous" Category 4 hurricane
on the 1-5 Saffir-Simpson scale earlier Saturday as it churned across the
Caribbean towards Cuba, but weakened slightly as it roared ashore though
it was still packing a potentially devastating punch.

Paloma struck Cuba at nearly the same location as a monster hurricane
exactly 76 years ago that virtually wiped out Santa Cruz, killing 3,000 people.
Half a million residents have been evacuated from several southeastern
provinces in preparation for the storm, which threatens to produce
"potentially catastrophic storm surge flooding of 15 to 20 feet
(4.5 to 6.0 meters) accompanied by large and dangerous battering waves,"
the NHC reported, slightly decreasing its surge estimate.

Cuba is reeling from a devastating storm season and Paloma is the
third hurricane to crash into the Caribbean nation of more than 11 million
people in 60 days.
The storm was moving northeast at 10 miles (17 kilometers) per hour and
was expected to decelerate as it crossed the island, according to the
hurricane center.
"The center of Paloma is expected to be approaching the Atlantic coast of
east-central Cuba Sunday morning and be nearing the central Bahamas late
Sunday or Monday," it said.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jPTuSXAcNhlJV-6-ivvrUhw18nHQ

[Bronco Yoda]

Funny thing is that all these global warming deniers will also swear to you that Africa is a country and the earth is flat.

[cutthemdown]

It's possible that they are wrong about the hurricane activity model as it pertains to increased surface temp of the ocean. Because the salinity is dropping a little it's hard to figure.

I don't see where it really matters. We have seen what these killer storms can do. Let's make plans to deal with them regardless of how many we will see.

[Bronco Bob]

It's possible that they are wrong about the hurricane activity model as it pertains to increased surface temp of the ocean. Because the salinity is dropping a little it's hard to figure.

I don't see where it really matters. We have seen what these killer storms can do. Let's make plans to deal with them regardless of how many we will see.

It just seems like an odd header considering all the devastating hurricanes
there have been this year. It's like BarryR has his head in the sand and
all he can see down there is right wing propaganda.

[enjolras]

I do know that it is apparent that warming is real, and it can't possibly hurt to cut back on carbon emissions, whereas it appears that not doing so would be foolish, just on economic terms alone and future needs. Once we burn it all up what will we do?

Bingo. While I am freely skeptical about anthropogenic global warming I see no wisdom in ignoring the possibility. I hate that the anti-intellectuals (that would be you barryr) on the right have decided they'd rather turn this into some political cause, instead of addressing the issues in a proper scientific way. They'd rather the world be a desert, instead of participating in an open and honest scientific debate.

[Drek]

Figured this article from NOAA was worth dragging this thread back up. :)

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20081126_hurricaneseason.html

[TailgateNut]

Figured this article from NOAA was worth dragging this thread back up. :)

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20081126_hurricaneseason.html


Confusing the nay-sayers with facts isn't fair to their restrained minds.

[elsid13]

While increased number and power hurricanes are visible example, I am far more worried about the effect of Global Warming on the corals around the world.

[Garcia Bronco]

What he means is people who think that they can spend 2-3 hours reading through climate change articles on the internet and acheive a level of understanding sufficient to refute scientific data that has acheived overwhelming consensus by scientists who have dedicated their entire lives to studying in the field. Obviously those guys are the real idiots since they've wasted countless hours looking into it when Barry figured it out in less than half a day.


It's not science they are refuting. It's research methods that are being refuted. A limited data set can't be used to draw a conclusion. There are to many confounds and you don't need a PhD to point it out.

[TailgateNut]

While increased number and power hurricanes are visible example, I am far more worried about the effect of Global Warming on the corals around the world.

Not mentioned very often, but very true.

[Garcia Bronco]

Confusing the nay-sayers with facts isn't fair to their restrained minds.

Some of the facts presented in that article are trival at best. Least we forget we are talking about an agency that needs funding.

[TailgateNut]

Some of the facts presented in that article are trival at best. Least we forget we are talking about an agency that needs funding.

Which facts are trival, based on your "Expert" opinion?

[barryr]

It just seems like an odd header considering all the devastating hurricanes
there have been this year. It's like BarryR has his head in the sand and
all he can see down there is right wing propaganda.

Yeah, there's been a ton of them, just as prediected by the lefty nutjobs. Talk about head in the sand and full of BS.

[kappys]

It's not science they are refuting. It's research methods that are being refuted. A limited data set can't be used to draw a conclusion. There are to many confounds and you don't need a PhD to point it out.

And what is improper about the research methods?

I find arguments like this come up all the time. People need to remember that the vast majority of experimentation is never designed to prove a cause and effect relationship - that is it is not designed to prove an experimental hypothesis. Rather it is directed at proving that the null hypothesis is not correct. Once sufficient experimentation bears that out then the theory is usually accepted as fact - until such time as experimentation proves the null hypothesis is correct at which point it is back to the drawing board.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Figured this article from NOAA was worth dragging this thread back up. :)

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20081126_hurricaneseason.html

Just look at the thread title when you want to reflect on the genius of barryr.

Ha!

[Bronco Bob]

Yeah, there's been a ton of them, just as prediected by the lefty nutjobs. Talk about head in the sand and full of BS.

Not my fault the right wing useful idiots are too stupid to look at the facts.

[Garcia Bronco]

And what is improper about the research methods?

I find arguments like this come up all the time. People need to remember that the vast majority of experimentation is never designed to prove a cause and effect relationship - that is it is not designed to prove an experimental hypothesis. Rather it is directed at proving that the null hypothesis is not correct. Once sufficient experimentation bears that out then the theory is usually accepted as fact - until such time as experimentation proves the null hypothesis is correct at which point it is back to the drawing board.


To prove the null hypothesis wouldn't we need a completely alternate sample that concurrently exists? In other words, another earth to run the same tests?

[kappys]

To prove the null hypothesis wouldn't we need a completely alternate sample that concurrently exists? In other words, another earth to run the same tests?

You are not proving the null hypothesis - you are proving that the null hypothesis is not correct.

[Garcia Bronco]

You are not proving the null hypothesis - you are proving that the null hypothesis is not correct.

I don't think that disproving the null hypothesis gives the hypothesis causation.

[barryr]

Just look at the thread title when you want to reflect on the genius of barryr.

Ha!

This coming from someone who needs others to read for him.

[kappys]

I don't think that disproving the null hypothesis gives the hypothesis causation.

It doesn't. In most cases proving cause and effect is nearly impossible. which is why we still refer to things as the theory of relativity, Newton's theories(to a point), etc. We have completely accepted them because rigorous scientific testing has failed to demonstate data that refutes them - hence data that has not confirmed the null hypothesis. Once sufficient data of this sort exists we prescribe a presumable cause and effect relationship to it.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

This coming from someone who needs others to read for him.

Weak!

You actually make cutthemdown look somewhat intelligent.

[barryr]

It's threads like this that make me support euthanasia.


Let's hope you're first in line.

[barryr]

Weak!

You actually make cutthemdown look somewhat intelligent.

You make 911 conspiracy theory Mcgoofney look smart and that's no easy task.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You make 911 conspiracy theory Mcgoofney look smart and that's no easy task.

Gee - how original.

"I am rubber - you are glue" and all that.

Typical right-wing Kool-Aid chugger.