Obama Is President Elect Of the United States of America

[baja]

Let's all come together and support this new beginning. With this new path comes hope and hope is a very powerful tool.

[wandlc]

put this in the political forum!

[Ratboy]

Support what? I refuse to support Obama as my Commander-in-Chief.

I'm sorry, but this election has changed America and it won't be for the good.

[Ratboy]

You know what? I'm not sorry.

**** him.

[Dagmar]

http://www.depauw.edu/photos/PhotoDB_Repository/2007/8/Barack%20Obama%20Capitol.jpg

[tsiguy96]

Support what? I refuse to support Obama as my Commander-in-Chief.

I'm sorry, but this election has changed America and it won't be for the good.

wow.

[Arkansas Bronco]

They both suck blame your parties. seems we were screwed no matter what happened.

[broncolife]

You know what? I'm not sorry.

**** him.

i agree

[ludo21]

racists haha. Someone doesnt like a person then their racist?

Man I must be one too then.. crap

[FantomForce]

WE need not to divide ourselves for once it would be good to back our president, I did not vote for Obama but I want our situation to get better now tear it down before it can began. (I reserve the 5th amendment in case the country goes to hell this cannot be used as evidence against me.)

[DHallblows]

You know what? I'm not sorry.

**** him.

Maybe you should wait a day or two to let things set in and accept reality before you make any more statements that make you sound like an ass...

[Dagmar]

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Congratulations to the USA on your decision.

Congratulations to McCain on a very eloquent, classy concession speech.

[broncolife]

Wow a bunch of racists posting in this thread. Pathetic members that are an embarrassment to this country and what it stands for.
I cant believe people are still playing the race card. Just pathetic. My 12 old niece was picked on at school just because she like John. They kept on calling her a racists. These people make me sick.

[Dagmar]

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Yes.
We.
Can.

[broncolife]

Maybe you should wait a day or two to let things set in and accept reality before you make any more statements that make you sound like an ass...

Wait for what? We know his positions, should I wait for him to flip flop or something.

[Dagmar]

In the unlikely story of America there's never been anything false about hope.

[Ratboy]

Wow a bunch of racists posting in this thread. Pathetic members that are an embarrassment to this country and what it stands for.

This is what pisses me off. It's people like you that brings race in the election. You know some of us never even looked at the color of McCain or Obama?

I believe you have to serve your country before you can attempt to run it.

[ludo21]

No its okay not to like Obame but when people give the reasons they do like he is Muslim, he isn't American, he is a terrorist. Then that is racism. I have yet to see that from you. But have seen it from countless others.


gotcha. I think he will do fine, but i thought the attack was unneccessary, obviously past history i dont know about.

moving on... go america!

[Dagmar]

I cant believe people are still playing the race card. Just pathetic. My 12 old niece was picked on at school just because she like John. They kept on calling her a racists. These people make me sick.

Black is the new president.

(just messing, you guys are freaking out enough!)

[theAPAOps5]

This is what pisses me off. It's people like you that brings race in the election. You know some of us never even looked at the color of McCain or Obama?

I believe you have to serve your country before you can attempt to run it.

People like you piss me off. You believe people should serve before the govern yet your candidate chose a VP who hasn't done ****. God you guys are a joke. Thank God America isn't in agreement.

[theAPAOps5]

gotcha. I think he will do fine, but i thought the attack was unneccessary, obviously past history i dont know about.

moving on... go america!

Agreed and you know what maybe I am sensitive because I have nieces and nephews who are mixed. I practically raise them and I see how they are perceived. SO maybe I am being over sensitive to it.

[Dagmar]

People like you piss me off. You believe people should serve before the govern yet your candidate chose a VP who hasn't done ****. God you guys are a joke. Thank God America isn't in agreement.

Celebrate with me and quit getting mad! Leave that to the right tonight! :thanku: :thumbs: :thanku: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thanku: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thanku:

[broncolife]

People like you piss me off. You believe people should serve before the govern yet your candidate chose a VP who hasn't done ****. God you guys are a joke. Thank God America isn't in agreement.

Which God are you thanking Obama or Jesus?


jk

[Dagmar]

http://i35.tinypic.com/2yuk481.jpg

[theAPAOps5]

Which God are you thanking Obama or Jesus?


jk

LOL you know what I apologize I will leave it at that. AT least we all got a choice in the matter better than some places on earth!

[theAPAOps5]

Celebrate with me and quit getting mad! Leave that to the right tonight! :thanku: :thumbs: :thanku: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thanku: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thanku:

You are right. Sorry for the temper tantrum just fired up and excited about my country again.

[Dagmar]

I repeat, Obama and McCain made 2 outstanding speeches tonight, I am proud to be part of the USA, and part of history.

[broncolife]

gotcha. I think he will do fine, but i thought the attack was unneccessary, obviously past history i dont know about.

moving on... go america!

Apa gave me my 2nd neg feedback since I joined. First one porn related cough,cough

anyways this is it

FU Racist

so what did I say that was racists?

[theAPAOps5]

Apa gave me my 2nd neg feedback since I joined. First one porn related cough,cough

anyways this is it

FU Racist

so what did I say that was racists?

Eh I also realized I got carried away and erased the neg rep. Again I apologize.

[Dagmar]

My reaction - http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g214/z00y0rk/carlton_dance.gif

[Popps]

http://www.depauw.edu/photos/PhotoDB_Repository/2007/8/Barack%20Obama%20Capitol.jpg

Yep, he's a little goofy looking.

[houghtam]

Yeah, I refuse to acknowledge the people who are so upset about this decision (and that's what it was) to involve themselves in the process moving forward.

For everyone else, it's time to heal the country, and change the world.

Don't let this victory affect your participation, democrat or republican. Let's keep pressure on Washington for CHANGE.

[broncolife]

Eh I also realized I got carried away and erased the neg rep. Again I apologize.

ok

[Wes Mantooth]

Just so everyone is aware:

The Broncos have never won a Superbowl under a Republican president.

[theAPAOps5]

Just so everyone is aware:

The Broncos have never won a Superbowl under a Republican president.

Well **** why didn't you tell me that before I voted! :thumbsup:

[McDman]

Well get excited about the poor who have no jobs now having the ability to feed off of our incomes, hope you enjoy 40% of your income going to the jobless bottom feeders of society. I'm all for helping people who actually need help, but many of these people who will be receiving government aid choose not to have jobs.

[Ratboy]

People like you piss me off. You believe people should serve before the govern yet your candidate chose a VP who hasn't done ****. God you guys are a joke. Thank God America isn't in agreement.

I dislike Sarah Palin too. Just like Obama isn't ready for Presidency, She isn't ready to be a Vice President.
:thumbsup:

[watermock]

It's like porn...they know it when they see it.

[theAPAOps5]

I dislike Sarah Palin too. Just like Obama isn't ready for Presidency, She isn't ready to be a Vice President.
:thumbsup:

Well damnit I apologize to you too. Screw it I am just going to bed. :thumbs:

But I think you should support the one elected by our Country.

[Ratboy]

ApaOps5: Pathetic racist troll
ApaOps5: FU racist. Not only don't you know jack **** about America you are a pathetic joke too. Time to put you on ignore

[theAPAOps5]

ApaOps5: Pathetic racist troll
ApaOps5: FU racist. Not only don't you know jack **** about America you are a pathetic joke too. Time to put you on ignore

Yeah I am sorry for that. Just got carried away. Kind of embarrassed. Just fired up as I have had to listen to it from my family and people around me about Obama being a terrorist, the anti-christ, etc.

I am going to head out now before I make an ass of myself even more!

[GreatBronco16]

Well damnit I apologize to you too. Screw it I am just going to bed. :thumbs:

But I think you should support the one elected by our Country.

If I wanted to support the one elected, then I would have voted for him. I just hope I don't lose my job since he wants to cut a bunch of spending on defense contracts. I just pray that the house and senate will actually have some sense, esp since they are the ones that actually run the country.

[Wes Mantooth]

Well **** why didn't you tell me that before I voted! :thumbsup:


really just thought about it today. This is the change we need!!

[Rohirrim]

I think this is just America picking itself up and dusting itself off. For some years we have been fooled into thinking we are divided, and small minded, and mean, and fearful, and greedy, and ignorant. And now, we discover that is untrue. The blinders are removed. So, in the spirit of generation after generation of Americans who have come before us, we put our cynicism down and we start walking into the future, whatever that might be. And those who prefer the meanness of spirit, the hatred, and the smallness of mind, get left behind.

Adios.

[Ratboy]

Well damnit I apologize to you too. Screw it I am just going to bed. :thumbs:

But I think you should support the one elected by our Country.

We'll see what he does with the military, first.

[dsmoot]

WE need not to divide ourselves for once it would be good to back our president, I did not vote for Obama but I want our situation to get better now tear it down before it can began. (I reserve the 5th amendment in case the country goes to hell this cannot be used as evidence against me.)

I too did not vote for him. There are alot of reasons I didn't and not one of them concerns race. Why do we have to jump in the ditch on that point??? This is like drafting someone you think is the wrong guy at the wrong time (of course a lot more important). You just hope you are wrong about him.

He certainly is one incredible speaker. I just don't know how much substance is there and there is so little history with him to really know. Then again GWB was such a disappointment. It will be very important to see who he puts around him. This man will need our prayers considering what he will be facing and how people will be looking to him for leadership to overcome the current situations. My great concern for our country is how we appear to have become such a bunch of followers, expecting our government to bail us out.

I am so upset that our economy was allowed to get into the condition it is in. It seems our greed threw out the considerable constraints of lending that a generation ago would seem impossible. Sorry for the rambling. God Bless America - although those blessings are not automatic.

[theAPAOps5]

We'll see what he does with the military, first.

Agreed and once again I apologize. I was a total ass and will own it.

[Dagmar]

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[Dagmar]

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[Dagmar]

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[Casper Bronco]

Yeah I am sorry for that. Just got carried away. Kind of embarrassed. Just fired up as I have had to listen to it from my family and people around me about Obama being a terrorist, the anti-christ, etc.

I am going to head out now before I make an ass of myself even more!

Dude you better get used to it. This is a racist country. Always has always will. Not saying I am just a fact.

[theAPAOps5]

Dude you better get used to it. This is a racist country. Always has always will. Not saying I am just a fact.

I know I grew up with it in Georgia and have a ton of family who still are. Its disgusting to me and why I wrongly accused people of it here. Just sick of it all.

[Hogan11]

Well congrats to him. I will welcome the end of eight long years of assholism.

Now he's got 4 years to show me something good or he'll not be getting my vote in 2012.

[PRBronco]

Yay U S and A! I'm loving you guys right now because of all the shout outs I got wearing my broncos hat in Hawaii :) In Canada people ask me "is that a calgary stampeders hat?"

[cutthemdown]

We'll see what he does with the military, first.

Letting the military get weak by not funding weapons programs etc would be a big mistake. IMO Obama won't be as weak as people think. I see him being more like Clinton and wanting his military to be able to make a quick point without risking American lives.

That doesn't mean he won't be having drones fire missiles at anything that moves in Afghanistan.

I'm sure he will cancel some big ticket items but I doubt he will be like Carter was.

IMO he will be more like in between Clinton and Bush.

[DomCasual]

Seeing the reaction of some of the black people in the crowd - especially the older ones - made me feel truly happy for them. I bet those older than about 45 never thought they would see this day.

[Popps]

I don't get caught up in the rhetoric on either side. It's all bull****. Parties are bull****.

I do, however, recommend people take a look backward before looking forward...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122576077569495545.html


We once sat on a similar doorstep. Wonder how we'll handle it this time.

[ColoradoDarin]

I didn't vote for him, but I congratulate Barack Obama as the 44th president of the US. I will show him the respect that the office deserves - which wasn't shown to our current president by many people of the opposite political persuasion. I think it's really cool that I live in an America where a black man can become president. I pray that he leads this country well. I will probably end up opposing him on many policies (I'd probably have voted for him if I supported his positions), but that's not for tonight.

Congrats President Obama.

[fdf]

Let's all come together and support this new beginning. With this new path comes hope and hope is a very powerful tool.

LOL. So is a cult of personality. He's a great speaker and he snowed you the same way he just snowed 52% or so of the American public.

I will do everything in my power to thwart his national socialist agenda. That ain't much--the American people have made their bed with the Senate they just elected. There are no remaining checks and balances. Congress is not a check. The Supreme Court is not a check. And the media is completely in the tank for him. He will have the powers of an absolute monarch for the next four years and will have his way with our nation.

IMHO, he and his congress will drive this country over a cliff faster than Jimmy Carter did. And like all socialists, they will look everywhere but in the mirror for someone to blame.

First thing they will do is move to shut down any contrary political voices--socialism cannot exist long in the presence of free speech. So watch for the fairness doctrine to come back fast and hard. Watch for that. When it happens, ask yourself if "hope" is still the right emotion. Shutting down free speech that you disagree with is not the action of a party or person interested in a free country.

Next thing is they will shut down the current criminal investigations by Larry Fitzgerald (the Scooter Libby prosecutor) that are about to blow the Chicago political machine sky high. Tony Rezko is talking to prosecutors and Obama can't have that. So watch for a purge of US Attorneys or for a reshuffling that shuts the case down. When that happens, ask yourself whether your guy is the harbinger of hope or just another ruthless machine politician.

Hope I'm wrong about these things. But I don't think I am. IMHO, America is in for some very rough sledding in the next 4-8 years. Hopefully, things won't be so broken that we cannot pick up the pieces.

He won fair and square tonight. And he's my president, as bad as I think that is. (I'm not a "steal the election" whiner like my counterparts on the other side.) But if conservative voices are silenced over the next four years, ask yourself whether 2012 resembles an American election or the recent Russian elections. If they are, 2012 will be the first illegitimate US government since that same Chicago machine illegally elected JFK. But by conceding, Richard Nixon graciously made an otherwise illegal election legitimate. So that would make 2012 the first illegitmate US government since 1783.

[fdf]

Wow a bunch of racists posting in this thread. Pathetic members that are an embarrassment to this country and what it stands for.

Ah, there we are. Anyone who disagrees with a black man is a racist.

Dude, my wife is a person of color as is my son. But they aren't radical socialists. I'm a white guy who can't stand Obama. They are people of color who feel the same way.

In both cases, it has nothing to do with the color of his skin. It has to do with his politics. Obama is by far the most radical person to run for president since Henry Wallace, who was an admitted communist. He is by far the most radical person ever to hold the office.

Stop the nasty, cheap shots.

[Wes Mantooth]

Again, what is really important here is that the Broncos have a chance to win a Superbowl with a Dem in the Oval office. Focus People!

[fdf]

Why else are so many people upset. Why was he compared to a terrorist or accused of being from America, etc.

Let me ask you this. Suppose Timothy McVeigh had gotten off for the Murrah Bombing on a technicality. Then suppose a young John McCain had lauched his political career at a fundraiser in McVeigh's home. Then suppose McVeigh had recruited McCain to the Chairman of the Board of a foundation McVeigh ran and that together, over the next five years, they dispensed 150 million dollars to far right organizations like Aryan Nation.

Would that raise questions in your mind about McCain's qualifications to be president?

Change "McVeigh" to "Ayers" and "McCain" to "Obama" and "far-right" to "far-left' and you understand the reason a lot of people were concerned (as am I) about Obamas judgment, moral compass, and, yes, sympathy toward domestic terrorism as long as it was committed by people with the correct political leanings.

Decent people would turn their back and walk out of the room when either McVeigh or Ayers enter. John McCain would. Obama didn't.

Doesn't make me a racist. It makes me a person terribly worried about our nation's future under a man who, at a minimum, has no moral compass and at a maximum, sympathizes with at least one domestic terrorist.

And that's only one of Obama's dubious associations with folks with deeply disturbing backgrounds.

[fdf]

Yeah, I refuse to acknowledge the people who are so upset about this decision (and that's what it was) to involve themselves in the process moving forward.

Obama's agenda is not "forward." Change is neutral and content-free. Change to a socialist state is not. A direction is only "forward" in the sense you use it if it is a good direction.

I will be deeply involved in attempting to thwart his agenda. So I will be working to keep us from moving "backward." Won't do much good. There are no remaing checks and balances. Congress is in the tank. The supreme court has five pretty solid votes to let congress and obama do whatever they want. And the media has reduced itself to Barry's cheerleader. That won't change.

So Obama is an absolute monarch for four years. Let's see what he does with it. I hope to be pleasantly surprised. But I regard that as a VERY low probability.

The only good thing about this is we finally elected a black president. The pity is, it was this man. He's no Jackie Robinson.

[BMarsh615]

I have a feeling Obama will be assassinated before his 4 year term is up:(

[DHallblows]

I didn't vote for him, but I congratulate Barack Obama as the 44th president of the US. I will show him the respect that the office deserves - which wasn't shown to our current president by many people of the opposite political persuasion. I think it's really cool that I live in an America where a black man can become president. I pray that he leads this country well. I will probably end up opposing him on many policies (I'd probably have voted for him if I supported his positions), but that's not for tonight.

Congrats President Obama.

There's the right side class that's been missing from this thread :thumbsup:

[fdf]

I think this is just America picking itself up and dusting itself off. For some years we have been fooled into thinking we are divided, and small minded, and mean, and fearful, and greedy, and ignorant. And now, we discover that is untrue. The blinders are removed. So, in the spirit of generation after generation of Americans who have come before us, we put our cynicism down and we start walking into the future, whatever that might be. And those who prefer the meanness of spirit, the hatred, and the smallness of mind, get left behind.

Adios.

Blah blah blah. I've heard that talking point 100 times.

In fact, we are divided as a nation. About 35% of the population belives, like Obama, that we should be building a socialst "utopia." About 35% treasure their personal freedoms and a free capitalist society where power in government is limited and folks are free to choose their own path thru life, educate their own children, etc--sort of like the founding fathers envisioned. They want the government to leave them alone. (The other 30% just don't understand what's at stake and sway with the wind).

Those two visions for America are fundamentally incompatible. You don't want to leave me alone. I want to be left alone. You want to take 70% of my income and use it to fund all sorts of weird social engineering schemes. I want to keep at least half of what I make. You want to make sure I can't retire on money I save so I am dependent on the government for my retirement. I want to retire on money I save. You want to control the education of my children. I don't want you anywhere near them. The list goes on and on.

About 35% of the country feels strongly the way I do. That is a divided nation any way you look at it. All the soothing rhetoric in the world won't paper over those differences.

Only a small minded, mean-spirited and hateful person would characterize someone who disagreed with him about philosophy of government cynical and mean of spirit. I don't mind being called "wrong." I can dialog on that. But nasty, condescending rhetoric like this is why conservatives dislike people like you and fear the self-righteousnes that is necessary to generate a statement like that.

Maybe I get left behind. So did the Kulaks in the Soviet Union. They were right, but dead. Lenin was wrong but, in the end, dead. But you might consider that leaving a large percentage of the productive segment of society entirely out of the social contract is not a very good idea.

I'm already looking at options for cutting way back on the time I spend working when my taxes go up. It's hardly worth putting in 12 hour days when 3/4 of it just goes for causes I don't approve of. Productive people all over the country will do the same thing.

[extralife]

What, exactly, makes Obama a socialist that does not make McCain, or any American politician one?

Did you support the bailout plan? John McCain did. Do you believe in abolishing all taxes? John McCain doesn't. Do you believe in some form of financial regulation, or some nationalized industry? John McCain does. Obama doesn't even plan on rolling back the Bush tax cuts.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I both voted for Obama and worked in his campaign early on here in Texas knowing he had no chance to win here. Before doing so, I read both his books, researched his background and his work in politics and the community enough to feel that I knew who he was. My first presidential election was when I voted in 1980 for Reagan. This is the first time in my memory that I feel we've elected someone who is truly different, not only because of race, though that is truly historic...but beyond that...this is a guy who is the right man at the right time for where we are in the world and what we need...someone capable of not only understanding the times we live in but also able to help change them.

[crawdad]

Ah, there we are. Anyone who disagrees with a black man is a racist.

Dude, my wife is a person of color as is my son. But they aren't radical socialists. I'm a white guy who can't stand Obama. They are people of color who feel the same way.

In both cases, it has nothing to do with the color of his skin. It has to do with his politics. Obama is by far the most radical person to run for president since Henry Wallace, who was an admitted communist. He is by far the most radical person ever to hold the office.

Stop the nasty, cheap shots.

Who's Henry Wallace...I suppose you are talking about George Wallace!

[crawdad]

By the way, when can I expect my first bailout check?

[fdf]

What, exactly, makes Obama a socialist that does not make McCain, or any American politician one?

Did you support the bailout plan? John McCain did. Do you believe in abolishing all taxes? John McCain doesn't. Do you believe in some form of financial regulation, or some nationalized industry? John McCain does. Obama doesn't even plan on rolling back the Bush tax cuts.

This was a lesser of two evils election. And no, I didn't support the bailout. But if you can't see the difference between John McCain's (andmittedly inappropriate) love of big government and Barak Obama's radical socialism by now, I doubt I can explain it to you.

McCain would have done way less damage than Obama will.

[DHallblows]

Blah blah blah. I've heard that talking point 100 times.

In fact, we are divided as a nation. About 35% of the population belives, like Obama, that we should be building a socialst "utopia." About 35% treasure their personal freedoms and a free capitalist society where power in government is limited and folks are free to choose their own path thru life, educate their own children, etc--sort of like the founding fathers envisioned. They want the government to leave them alone. (The other 30% just don't understand what's at stake and sway with the wind).

So rather than someone else's talking point, you prefer making up data while siting a different talking point?

[fdf]

Who's Henry Wallace...I suppose you are talking about George Wallace!

No. Henry Wallace. He was FDR's vice president and an admitted communist. He was dumped for Truman in FDR's last term (when FDR was sick) because FDR didn't want a communist succeeding him. Wallace ran for president in, I think, 1948 as, of course, a "progressive." Some things never change.

[crawdad]

LOL. So is a cult of personality. He's a great speaker and he snowed you the same way he just snowed 52% or so of the American public.

I will do everything in my power to thwart his national socialist agenda. That ain't much--the American people have made their bed with the Senate they just elected. There are no remaining checks and balances. Congress is not a check. The Supreme Court is not a check. And the media is completely in the tank for him. He will have the powers of an absolute monarch for the next four years and will have his way with our nation.

IMHO, he and his congress will drive this country over a cliff faster than Jimmy Carter did. And like all socialists, they will look everywhere but in the mirror for someone to blame.

First thing they will do is move to shut down any contrary political voices--socialism cannot exist long in the presence of free speech. So watch for the fairness doctrine to come back fast and hard. Watch for that. When it happens, ask yourself if "hope" is still the right emotion. Shutting down free speech that you disagree with is not the action of a party or person interested in a free country.

Next thing is they will shut down the current criminal investigations by Larry Fitzgerald (the Scooter Libby prosecutor) that are about to blow the Chicago political machine sky high. Tony Rezko is talking to prosecutors and Obama can't have that. So watch for a purge of US Attorneys or for a reshuffling that shuts the case down. When that happens, ask yourself whether your guy is the harbinger of hope or just another ruthless machine politician.

Hope I'm wrong about these things. But I don't think I am. IMHO, America is in for some very rough sledding in the next 4-8 years. Hopefully, things won't be so broken that we cannot pick up the pieces.

He won fair and square tonight. And he's my president, as bad as I think that is. (I'm not a "steal the election" whiner like my counterparts on the other side.) But if conservative voices are silenced over the next four years, ask yourself whether 2012 resembles an American election or the recent Russian elections. If they are, 2012 will be the first illegitimate US government since that same Chicago machine illegally elected JFK. But by conceding, Richard Nixon graciously made an otherwise illegal election legitimate. So that would make 2012 the first illegitmate US government since 1783.


Isn't this hypocritic? Get over yourself man. Do you like the way George Bush fixed the country the last 8 years?

[crawdad]

No. Henry Wallace. He was FDR's vice president and an admitted communist. He was dumped for Truman in FDR's last term (when FDR was sick) because FDR didn't want a communist succeeding him. Wallace ran for president in, I think, 1948 as, of course, a "progressive." Some things never change.

Hell, I wasn't even alive then. And I am old!

[fdf]

So rather than someone else's talking point, you prefer making up data while siting a different talking point?

Huh?

[DHallblows]

Huh?

Are those percentages you sited true or estimations you made of how the American population feels about socialism?

[extralife]

This was a lesser of two evils election. And no, I didn't support the bailout. But if you can't see the difference between John McCain's (andmittedly inappropriate) love of big government and Barak Obama's radical socialism by now, I doubt I can explain it to you.

McCain would have done way less damage than Obama will.

please point out obama's "radical socialism"

[fdf]

Hell, I wasn't even alive then. And I am old!

I'm not that old either. But sort of a history buff. Wallace was actually a very influential figure in FDR's administration. FDR regarded him as the necessary link to the far left and so he was VP for some time as a result. FDR was wise enough, though, when FDR was terminal, to replace Wallace with Truman so that Wallace would not succeed to the presidency.

[footstepsfrom#27]

What, exactly, makes Obama a socialist that does not make McCain, or any American politician one?

Did you support the bailout plan? John McCain did. Do you believe in abolishing all taxes? John McCain doesn't. Do you believe in some form of financial regulation, or some nationalized industry? John McCain does. Obama doesn't even plan on rolling back the Bush tax cuts.
You're a "socialist" if you don't subscribe to the theory that things like improving people's lives through better education and access to adequate health care, fixing the decaying infrastructure of our urban environments and expecting fairness in the judicial system should take a backseat to unbridled military adventures costing hundreds of billions that solve nothing and destroy our credibility all over the world.

It isn't money spent that bothers a lot of conservatives...it's money spent that benefits people they consider unworthy...in other words people other than themselves.

[fdf]

Are those percentages you sited true or estimations you made of how the American population feels about socialism?

Those are pretty good numbers. A lot of polls support it. The socialists probably don't think of themselves as socialists because it's such an unpleasant word. But the political positions they support are indistinguishible from either socialism or national socialism (the difference being that in socialism, the government owns the means of production while in national socialism, private businesses are allowed but the government runs the show and tells them what to do.) And I'm not a believer in letting people using nice labels to market bad things. So socialism it is.

Technically, I think the current agenda by the left is probably better described as national socialist rather than socialist. For example, the left's environmental agenda allows companies to continue to exist but the gvt basically tells them what they can and can't do in minute detail. That is more like National Socialism. Doesn't make a lot of difference to me. National Socialists and Socialists are birds of a feather that differ on details only. But I don't usually raise that distinction, however correct it may be, because of all the baggage that comes along with national socialism.

Good night and God bless.

[DHallblows]

Those are pretty good numbers. A lot of polls support it. The socialists probably don't think of themselves as socialists because it's such an unpleasant word. But the political positions they support are indistinguishible from either socialism or national socialism (the difference being that in socialism, the government owns the means of production while in national socialism, private businesses are allowed but the government runs the show and tells them what to do.) And I'm not a believer in letting people using nice labels to market bad things. So socialism it is.

Technically, I think the current agenda by the left is probably better described as national socialist rather than socialist. For example, the left's environmental agenda allows companies to continue to exist but the gvt basically tells them what they can and can't do in minute detail. That is more like National Socialism. Doesn't make a lot of difference to me. National Socialists and Socialists are birds of a feather that differ on details only. But I don't usually raise that distinction, however correct it may be, because of all the baggage that comes along with national socialism.

Good night and God bless.

Ok, all I needed

[BroncoInferno]

Ah, there we are. Anyone who disagrees with a black man is a racist.

Dude, my wife is a person of color as is my son. But they aren't radical socialists. I'm a white guy who can't stand Obama. They are people of color who feel the same way.

In both cases, it has nothing to do with the color of his skin. It has to do with his politics. Obama is by far the most radical person to run for president since Henry Wallace, who was an admitted communist. He is by far the most radical person ever to hold the office.

Stop the nasty, cheap shots.

Anyone who calls Obama a socialist is a goddamn idiot who doesn't know what the word means. On 95% of Americans, his proposal lowers taxes greater than McCain's proposal would have. On the top 5% percent, you will go back to essentially Reagan era levels. Was Reagan a socialist? How about Eisenhower, Nixon, and Ford, all of whom saw over WAY larger tax rates than seen today. Socialists, too? Hell, in Western Europe Obama would have to run as a conservative. This is a right-wing country, and based on the true definitions of the words, Obama is barely a liberal, let alone a socialist. Folks like you should try to study a little history before you open your ignorant mouths.

[fdf]

please point out obama's "radical socialism"

Obama has a more radical voting record in the Senate than Bernie Sanders. Sanders is an elected, admitted socialist. By every measure, and every ranking (from left and right groups) that I have seen. Obama has the most left-wing voting record in the US Senate by a significant margin.

Obama's environmental plan involves taking effective control of most businesses and putting the government into a position to tell the business what they can and cannot do over a wide range of corporate decisions.

Obama's social policies are directed at making as many people dependent on the government as possible--extending that far into the middle class with "tax" rebates for people who don't pay taxes. In other words, he wants to put a good portion of the middle class on welfare.

And on and on and on.

[fdf]

On 95% of Americans, his proposal lowers taxes greater than McCain's proposal would have.

LOL. 40% of the American public does not pay ANY income tax. He's either lying or ignorant when he promises to lower the taxes of 35 out of that 40%. You can't go below zero. The spending plans he has are going to require tax increases far beyond anything in the Reagan years.

[BroncoInferno]

Obama has a more radical voting record in the Senate than Bernie Sanders.

Can you give us an example of a specific Obama vote that was "radical", including an explanation as to why it was "radical?" (I assume you aren't just parroting McCain's stump speech that Fox News was looping all day about Obama being further left than "socialist" Bernie Sanders).

[fdf]

Isn't this hypocritic? Get over yourself man. Do you like the way George Bush fixed the country the last 8 years?

Not especially. He governed like a Democrat and spent like a drunken sailor. He presided over a huge increase in government spending and power and didn't veto a single bill. What we are about to see, though, is going to make him look like a piker.

[tsiguy96]

the time to argue about his policies are over people. if you like him, great. if not, deal with it, he will be our president for the next 4 years atleast. no point in arguing about it.

[extralife]

Obama has a more radical voting record in the Senate than Bernie Sanders. Sanders is an elected, admitted socialist. By every measure, and every ranking (from left and right groups) that I have seen. Obama has the most left-wing voting record in the US Senate by a significant margin.

Obama's environmental plan involves taking effective control of most businesses and putting the government into a position to tell the business what they can and cannot do over a wide range of corporate decisions.

Obama's social policies are directed at making as many people dependent on the government as possible--extending that far into the middle class with "tax" rebates for people who don't pay taxes. In other words, he wants to put a good portion of the middle class on welfare.

And on and on and on.

So Obama is a socialist because he has an environmental plan that places restrictions on the amount of harm corporate excess can cause the environment?

Now, you are technically correct. This is socialist. In the same way our entire government is socialist. Is it radical? Of course not. It is in line with what most Americans believe, and it exists on a sliding scale of American discourse that does not veer off into directions outside of our federalist society.

Obama's tax plans are to the right of Bill Clinton's, who is largely viewed as a centrist.

As for your insistence that Socialism and National Socialism are essentially the same thing--have fun putting Hitler and Stalin together in a room. See how that one works out.

[Play2win]

really just thought about it today. This is the change we need!!

Yes We CAN (win the Superbowl) !!!

[CBF1]

Wow a bunch of racists posting in this thread. Pathetic members that are an embarrassment to this country and what it stands for.

Based on what brother... I think you need to get away and go on vacation. Breath threw your nose and relax.

[Ratboy]

It isn't money spent that bothers a lot of conservatives...it's money spent that benefits people they consider unworthy.

Are you willing to give the unemployed some of your pay check?

[Blart]

Now I will never marry a bronco :(

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

It isn't money spent that bothers a lot of conservatives...it's money spent that benefits people they consider unworthy...in other words people other than themselves.

Ding ding ding! :yep:

And that is EXACTLY why they got hammered by the voters tonight and why their party is circling the drain.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Can you give us an example of a specific Obama vote that was "radical", including an explanation as to why it was "radical?" (I assume you aren't just parroting McCain's stump speech that Fox News was looping all day about Obama being further left than "socialist" Bernie Sanders).

Ha!

That's a serious assumption.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Are you willing to give the unemployed some of your pay check?
Not only willing...I do so.

[Ratboy]

Not only willing...I do so.

Sweet.

Do you mind if I stop working and you send some of your hard earned money to me?

While i'm not working I may spend some of that money on some rims, or stereo systems, possibly drugs.

[extralife]

While i'm not working I may spend some of that money on some rims, or stereo systems, possibly drugs.

This thread was not racist. This post veers dangerously close.

Do you think John McCain was going to abolish all entitlement programs? Do you think Barack Obama is going to greatly expand wellfare?

These are stump issues that politicians lazily bring up when they have nothing better to say. These decisions were made decades ago, and no one electable is going to change them.

[shakenbake]

That is it I am moving to China........

[footstepsfrom#27]

Sweet.

Do you mind if I stop working and you send some of your hard earned money to me?
I give to people in need who have found themselves in difficult situations apart from their own doing. That's a time honored tradition in this country. Second...my business is designed to generate social impact and financial profit simultaneously, but giving you a handout isn't on my agenda.
While i'm not working I may spend some of that money on some rims, or stereo systems, possibly drugs.
Or you could buy yourself a doublewide and stuff your face with chewing tobacco while watching NASCAR on your black and white TV.

See how easy it is to be an idiot. Aspire to something better.

[Ratboy]

Ding ding ding! :yep:

And that is EXACTLY why they got hammered by the voters tonight and why their party is circling the drain.


Don't worry..

We'll be back!

[Ratboy]

I give to people in need who have found themselves in difficult situations apart from their own doing. That's a time honored tradition in this country. Second...my business is designed to generate social impact and financial profit simultaneously, but giving you a handout isn't on my agenda.

Or you could buy yourself a doublewide and stuff your face with chewing tobacco while watching NASCAR on your black and white TV.

See how easy it is to be an idiot. Aspire to something better.

Thanks for making my point. Obama is going to give the money not just to the needy, but to the lazy Americans who rather sit in their double wide rooting for Dale Earnhardt Jr. rather than looking for a job.

I don't think it's fair for people like you and me who work hard for our paychecks.

I understand not working because of disabilities that hinder your ability to preform a job. I also understand helping out those who have a good work history on their side who may have been having trouble finding a new job.

[Ratboy]

This thread was not racist. This post veers dangerously close.

Do you think John McCain was going to abolish all entitlement programs? Do you think Barack Obama is going to greatly expand wellfare?

These are stump issues that politicians lazily bring up when they have nothing better to say. These decisions were made decades ago, and no one electable is going to change them.

People will take whatever they can find and spin it into their favor. I rest assure my comments weren't even close to being racist.

White, Black, Mexican, or Asian, they all do what I listed. I've seen it.

[crawdad]

We now resume our regularly scheduled programming.

[Ratboy]

We now resume our regularly scheduled programming.

Fire Bob Slowik!!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Thanks for making my point. Obama is going to give the money not just to the needy, but to the lazy Americans who rather sit in their double wide rooting for Dale Earnhardt Jr. rather than looking for a job.


Knock down that straw man!

[Ratboy]

Knock down that straw man!

I don't even think that concept should be mentioned to what I just said.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

We'll see what he does with the military, first.Hopefully, he will make significant spending cuts. This country is spending around a trillion dollars a year now on the military which is completely obscene unless you believe in invading and occupying countries we don't agree with politically and/or religiously.

[Circle Orange]

After eight years of being told constantly to "be afraid" and waging a "war" on a CONCEPT, it's time to grow beyond that and show some concern for the people who actually live here!


Empty symbolism + head games + wealthy pockets lined + maimed people returning home + outsourced money for lame war + recession + reduced home values + forclosures + increased utility and gas prices = ONE BIG FAT OUSTER, BABY. !Booya! :blowhorn:

Man, they cut it up on Pensylvannia avenue last night. News reports said Bush hadda hear it. I think he was packing a bag and skulking out the escape tunnel.

But now the real work begins. Once the fuzzyness/novelty wears off, I do have concerns about excess taxes. Already in my locality we're getting taxed to support people who don't have enough to pay for phone service (Verizon) and a lot of folk aren't happy about it. And this is recent! Nearly four dollars each month is added to Verizon bills. Uhh

[crazyhorse]

I never been more disappointed in an election in this lifetime.

What a couple of turds to choose from. There was no right answer. It's like being asked to choose between a kick in the nuts or have a corn cob shoved up your ass.

Looks like we got the cob.

[broncofan]

At least he has Bill Clinton in his corner...

[broncswin]

Obama is black?? :deadhorse

It gets old hearing the we are racist if we don't like that crazy mans ideas!!

[footstepsfrom#27]

Thanks for making my point. Obama is going to give the money not just to the needy, but to the lazy Americans who rather sit in their double wide rooting for Dale Earnhardt Jr. rather than looking for a job.

I don't think it's fair for people like you and me who work hard for our paychecks.

I understand not working because of disabilities that hinder your ability to preform a job. I also understand helping out those who have a good work history on their side who may have been having trouble finding a new job.
I did not "make your point". Nowhere in any speech, any quote, anything I've read of either of his books, has Obama ever said he wants to "give money to lazy Americans"....or anything akin to that...man the hysteria over this guy is just absurd.

This is about a shift in emphasis...one BTW you should be on board with if you are in favor of this nation continuing to be competitive in the world. We have marginalized and manipulated large groups of people in this country solely for the benefit of those who are white, male and in the upper income brackets for our entire history, and this foolish and short-sighted philosophy has left us ill-prepared to compete with countries like India, China and Brazil that have equivilent infrastructures and cheaper work forces. When we allow school children who don't live in wealthy suburbs to receive inferior educational training, fail to address major concerns like health care and recklessly spend a trillion dollars on a war we should not be fighting...THAT is infinitely more damaging than any phony concerns about "socialism" that the right winged fear mongers in this country can generate.

[Orange_Beard]

Support what? I refuse to support Obama as my Commander-in-Chief.

I'm sorry, but this election has changed America and it won't be for the good.

Nice, You look like a little baby throw a temper tantrum.

If we live survived Bush, you will survive Obama. (with a clean Diaper)

[broncofan7]

But now the real work begins. Once the fuzzyness/novelty wears off, I do have concerns about excess taxes. Already in my locality we're getting taxed to support people who don't have enough to pay for phone service (Verizon) and a lot of folk aren't happy about it. And this is recent! Nearly four dollars each month is added to Verizon bills. Uhh

WOW! Are you serious? Was this tax imposed via a vote?

[Orange_Beard]

http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/black_man_given_nations

[Peoples Champ]

They both suck blame your parties. seems we were screwed no matter what happened.



That reminds me of that South Park episode. How am I supposed to vote when all there is to choose from is a Turd Sandwich and a Douchebag.

[Beantown Bronco]

I never been more disappointed in an election in this lifetime.

What a couple of turds to choose from. There was no right answer. It's like being asked to choose between a kick in the nuts or have a corn cob shoved up your ass.

Looks like we got the cob.

You should check your Internet connection. It seems to be taking 4 years to process your posts.

[Circle Orange]

WOW! Are you serious? Was this tax imposed via a vote?

No vote! It suddenly appeared on my bill, saying as of Oct. 1 there would be an increase. it's $3.86 added by Verizon and it states my jurisdiction now requires this. (read fine print at bottom).

i'm ticked, because I KNOW that Oct.1 is the federal fiscal year.

[broncofan7]

I did not "make your point". Nowhere in any speech, any quote, anything I've read of either of his books, has Obama ever said he wants to "give money to lazy Americans"....or anything akin to that...man the hysteria over this guy is just absurd.

This is about a shift in emphasis...one BTW you should be on board with if you are in favor of this nation continuing to be competitive in the world. We have marginalized and manipulated large groups of people in this country solely for the benefit of those who are white, male and in the upper income brackets for our entire history, and this foolish and short-sighted philosophy has left us ill-prepared to compete with countries like India, China and Brazil that have equivilent infrastructures and cheaper work forces. When we allow school children who don't live in wealthy suburbs to receive inferior educational training, fail to address major concerns like health care and recklessly spend a trillion dollars on a war we should not be fighting...THAT is infinitely more damaging than any phony concerns about "socialism" that the right winged fear mongers in this country can generate.

So you believe that the failure of urban /rural schools in comparison to suburban public schools is due entirely to a lack of funding rather than the fact that suburban school children generally come from two parent households where structure and discipline are more readily enforced? Interesting---

what groups of people have been marginalized in the past 40 years or so? ILLEGAL immigrants from Mexico coming to America? Women and Minorities who are able to access student loan grants/scholarships that are not offered to white males? and what about the lower interest rate loans that are available to minorities and women for those who may chose to start their own business? This is 2008--not 1958.

However i do agree with you that Iraq was a travesty of the highest order...in both $$ and lives lost & affected and that the last 8 years have been a dark time in American history. Let's hope we do not get darker.....

[broncofan7]

No vote! It suddenly appeared on my bill, saying as of Oct. 1 there would be an increase. it's $3.86 added by Verizon and it states my jurisdiction now requires this. (read fine print at bottom).

i'm ticked, because I KNOW that Oct.1 is the federal fiscal year.

That sir, is almost as obscene as your avatar!

[Circle Orange]

Seeing the reaction of some of the black people in the crowd - especially the older ones - made me feel truly happy for them. I bet those older than about 45 never thought they would see this day.

The first thing I thought of was my grandparents, and wishing they'd been alive to see it. They were extremely progressive people born in the wrong time. My grandfather was a top mechanic, and my grandmother wanted to be an electrician (she was good with cars!)

And you know what? Someday, this will just be a footnote, like all historic events. Eventually you will see a political base that reflects the true diversity of this country, and we won't look back. And people will pick up history books and say, "Geez, how backwards were THEY in the 2000s?!"

and for the millionth TIME, bronco7...I ain't a guy!

[Garcia Bronco]

That sir, is almost as obscene as your avatar!

You'll have to forgive CO. She's aa savage living inside the beltway.

[Binkythefrog]

While no one will ever get a perfect candidate there are numerous reasons to be excited about this election.

Look at the enthusiasm this has generated. Tens of thousands of people showed up in Chicago, New York, D.C. and around the world. It almost seems as if the entire world is celebrating this election. America has transformed the way the world views it, and it is for the better. In this global economy, enthusiasm from these countries can only help.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/05/world.reaction/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

We will have a President who supports net neutrality, a feasible health insurance plan (instead of giving a paltry 5,000 tax credit), renewable energy investment and a mature approach to diplomacy by actually communicating with people. The thought that Obama will just roll over and allow our enemies to attack us is ludicrous. Instead of trying to bomb our enemies into submission, we will communicate and resolve our differences like adults and use force when necessary instead of destroying our targets with no regard to communities we attack.

We will have a leader to (whether or not you like it) who inspires millions. Their hope can only provide a boost to our country. Its incredible to see so many people participating in the political process. Although I disagree with Palin, she has energized many Americans, although not as many as Obama. Their participation replaces apathy and whether or not you are republican or democrat this can only be a positive.

[~Crash~]

And the depresion will follow in 3 years . enjoy you got your way .

Well this is a chicken **** Nation I really am depressed Alqada was right !

[~Crash~]

While no one will ever get a perfect candidate there are numerous reasons to be excited about this election.

Look at the enthusiasm this has generated. Tens of thousands of people showed up in Chicago, New York, D.C. and around the world. It almost seems as if the entire world is celebrating this election. America has transformed the way the world views it, and it is for the better. In this global economy, enthusiasm from these countries can only help.
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/05/world.reaction/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

We will have a President who supports net neutrality, a feasible health insurance plan (instead of giving a paltry 5,000 tax credit), renewable energy investment and a mature approach to diplomacy by actually communicating with people. The thought that Obama will just roll over and allow our enemies to attack us is ludicrous. Instead of trying to bomb our enemies into submission, we will communicate and resolve our differences like adults and use force when necessary instead of destroying our targets with no regard to communities we attack.

We will have a leader to (whether or not you like it) who inspires millions. Their hope can only provide a boost to our country. Its incredible to see so many people participating in the political process. Although I disagree with Palin, she has energized many Americans, although not as many as Obama. Their participation replaces apathy and whether or not you are republican or democrat this can only be a positive.

move to france and eat cheese

[~Crash~]

I really thought this county was a don't mess with me bunch...no longer do I think this and I bet Alqada is thinking and and smiling very big grins . :thumbs:

[Kaylore]

He's my President and I'm going to try to support him and give him a chance. One thing I decided back in '00 is that I would never be like the Dems who hated on Bush and said spitefully divisive things like "he's not my president" and other such things that are being said in this thread. I decided then that I would not show disrespect to the office of the Presidency. So Obama has my respect as the leader of my country and the face of it to the rest of the world.

When it comes to his policies I am going to be critical and probably disagree with a lot of them, especially with the rubber stamp he's been given in congress. However I want to give him a fair shot before I decide he's awful like my fellow conservatives here.

I do share the sentiment that we didn't have a very good set of options this year. McCain's own party didn't trust him so I have little doubt why the American people didn't. Obama is "everything to everyone" right now and so people are imagining him as their perfect version of what a president should be. When he starts his term the makeup will come off, for better or worse, and then things will change very quickly.

So for now, lets celebrate our democracy and these great United States. From all accounts the election went very smoothly and we have a the blessings of the freedom to make major changes in government when we want to and see that change occur in a non-violent manner. I am always humbled and grateful for the country I live in, and while my party lost, I understand we have it pretty good over here.

So God bless President elect Barack Obama, and God bless America! :):USA:

[~Crash~]

Ding ding ding! :yep:

And that is EXACTLY why they got hammered by the voters tonight and why their party is circling the drain.

so people think that there companies own them a hand out ? well I see this as the start of what little companies that were left in the Usa as you say going down the drain.

[Schism]

Great post Kaylore.

Sadly, I suspect the message of it will be lost on most people.

[Rohirrim]

Blah blah blah.

Adios.

[Broncojef]

Its very "in" to say lower the taxes for the "middle class" and tax the companies but as in my case I'll probably have to lay off some of the same people that voted for Barrack should those taxes become reality. Unfortunately the state America is in right now I don't think Democrat or Republican could save us from the days ahead. We are printing too much money, lowering the value of a dollar and the bailouts and stimulus crap just won't stop. Inflation is the next shoe to drop and the taxes businesses will face will foster more job cuts rather than the growth we need. I was totally against Obama but as with Bush he is soon to be our leader and I stand behind him now but am really worried about the days ahead. People were so pissed at Bush they wanted to the exact opposite no matter his credentials, not all change is good but we are where we are now and I hope Obama proves me wrong.

[~Crash~]

I don't hate him but I do see the end of our country as we once knew it . 12% unemployment on it's way enjoy....

[Kaylore]

Oh and this idea that Republicans are "done" isn't true. If you look at the ballot initiatives in Colorado, almost all of the tax increases were shot down, including the TABOR revoking measure. The values Republicans used to stand for are still supported by a large part of this country, it's just that Bush abandoned them. The party needs to get back to the principles of controlled spending, limited government and free market and people will vote Republican again. This election was a referendum on the Bush Administration and not on Conservatism.

[~Crash~]

Its very "in" to say lower the taxes for the "middle class" and tax the companies but as in my case I'll probably have to lay off some of the same people that voted for Barrack should those taxes become reality. Unfortunately the state America is in right now I don't think Democrat or Republican could save us from the days ahead. We are printing too much money, lowering the value of a dollar and the bailouts and stimulus crap just won't stop. Inflation is the next shoe to drop and the taxes businesses will face will foster more job cuts rather than the growth we need. I was totally against Obama but as with Bush he is soon to be our leader and I stand behind him now but am really worried about the days ahead. People were so pissed at Bush they wanted to the exact opposite no matter his credentials, not all change is good but we are where we are now and I hope Obama proves me wrong.


Ding ding ding lol I had only one employ they are now gone after last night lay off time this morning .

[Binkythefrog]

move to france and eat cheese

Are we so arrogant to think that the American way of life is how the world should live theirs? Are you so shallow minded to think that you are the only important person in the world? Are we going to just "Do things our way" regardless of how it affects other people? How selfish is that? Who cares if we consume more oil per capita than any other country or if we pollute more than any other country per capita. Who cares if we are the richest country in the world while the majority of others live in absolute poverty?

To think that Al Qaeda is happy about this election is one of the most uninformed comments I have seen here. Have you heard Obama's comments on this terrorist organization? Does he sound like he is planning on sitting on his hands and allowing them to rebuild? He wants to focus our war in Afghanistan, where Al Qaeda currently is operating from. Obama wants to shift our resources to better fight Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, not some proxy war in Iraq.

Regardless if you are Republican or Democrat, the enthusiasm behind this election is encouraging. It means more people care.

[Spider]

And the depresion will follow in 3 years . enjoy you got your way .

Well this is a chicken **** Nation I really am depressed Alqada was right !

Al Qadea was right ? I hope this is just anger speaking out , and not a true sentiment . or 9-11 was for nothing

[bronclvr]

Its very "in" to say lower the taxes for the "middle class" and tax the companies but as in my case I'll probably have to lay off some of the same people that voted for Barrack should those taxes become reality. Unfortunately the state America is in right now I don't think Democrat or Republican could save us from the days ahead. We are printing too much money, lowering the value of a dollar and the bailouts and stimulus crap just won't stop. Inflation is the next shoe to drop and the taxes businesses will face will foster more job cuts rather than the growth we need. I was totally against Obama but as with Bush he is soon to be our leader and I stand behind him now but am really worried about the days ahead. People were so pissed at Bush they wanted to the exact opposite no matter his credentials, not all change is good but we are where we are now and I hope Obama proves me wrong.


You wrote exactly what I have been thinking all morning-I hope I don't have to layoff too many myself, it's never fun-I hope Obama can indeed help this Country, however I'm afrad this election will prolong the recession we're in due to a large part of Business Owners' fear of higher Taxes, therefore they won't be making any big Investments-

[HEAV]

So much for On-season mode... place needs a Mod. Keep the Mane page Broncos/Football

[Garcia Bronco]

He's my President and I'm going to try to support him and give him a chance. One thing I decided back in '00 is that I would never be like the Dems who hated on Bush and said spitefully divisive things like "he's not my president" and other such things that are being said in this thread. I decided then that I would not show disrespect to the office of the Presidency. So Obama has my respect as the leader of my country and the face of it to the rest of the world.

When it comes to his policies I am going to be critical and probably disagree with a lot of them, especially with the rubber stamp he's been given in congress. However I want to give him a fair shot before I decide he's awful like my fellow conservatives here.

I do share the sentiment that we didn't have a very good set of options this year. McCain's own party didn't trust him so I have little doubt why the American people didn't. Obama is "everything to everyone" right now and so people are imagining him as their perfect version of what a president should be. When he starts his term the makeup will come off, for better or worse, and then things will change very quickly.

So for now, lets celebrate our democracy and these great United States. From all accounts the election went very smoothly and we have a the blessings of the freedom to make major changes in government when we want to and see that change occur in a non-violent manner. I am always humbled and grateful for the country I live in, and while my party lost, I understand we have it pretty good over here.

So God bless President elect Barack Obama, and God bless America! :):USA:

Only a true American takes this approach and I agree 100 percent.


Don't be a proponent of sad little man syndrome.

[~Crash~]

So people when we leave Iraq in what was it ....4 mounths and they tumble into a Civil War and oil price go though the roof your great leader will do just what tell you every thing is great put more air in your tires ...lol

[theAPAOps5]

so people think that there companies own them a hand out ? well I see this as the start of what little companies that were left in the Usa as you say going down the drain.

Wow your meltdown is almost as bad as my stupid one last night. Except mine was fueled by a little bit too much alcohol. Are you drunk this morning or just overreacting?

[sirhcyennek81]

We'll see.


:Broncos:

[~Crash~]

Are we so arrogant to think that the American way of life is how the world should live theirs? Are you so shallow minded to think that you are the only important person in the world? Are we going to just "Do things our way" regardless of how it affects other people? How selfish is that? Who cares if we consume more oil per capita than any other country or if we pollute more than any other country per capita. Who cares if we are the richest country in the world while the majority of others live in absolute poverty?

To think that Al Qaeda is happy about this election is one of the most uninformed comments I have seen here. Have you heard Obama's comments on this terrorist organization? Does he sound like he is planning on sitting on his hands and allowing them to rebuild? He wants to focus our war in Afghanistan, where Al Qaeda currently is operating from. Obama wants to shift our resources to better fight Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, not some proxy war in Iraq.

Regardless if you are Republican or Democrat, the enthusiasm behind this election is encouraging. It means more people care.

Afghanistan why would they be there ? When we leave Iraq there will be a very instable country in a oil rich country ? :thumbsup: like I said they are at full smile this morning !Booya!

[Beantown Bronco]

Ding ding ding lol I had only one employ they are now gone after last night lay off time this morning .

That makes no sense. Nothing that happened last night would make it necessary to lay someone off today, unless you are talking about some personal situation that had nothing to do with the election.

[sirhcyennek81]

Well, on one hand Obama now has the fastest way to age a man in world history as a job. Prayers for him and his family. Not happy about his election, but we'll see. Hope he proves me wrong.

:Broncos:

[~Crash~]

Al Qaeda will be in Iraq why fight for a poor country when you can have it all . you act like they have no brains

[broncofan7]

Al Qaeda will be in Iraq why fight for a poor country when you can have it all . you act like they have no brains

God you are a dolt.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Looks as though some of you would find your time better spent on the Foxnews.com forums. I love this painted picture of doom and gloom now that Obama has won. He is one of the smartest men in America and deserves what he's earned (and my vote). He will not run this country in the ground. Why would he? Because a chain email says so?

[Kaylore]

He's not leaving Iraq, either. The surge is working and Democrats know if they pull out a militant Islamic state will set itself up there. I know everyone is expecting the troops to come home for Christmas because he's been elected but no one wants the repercussions of making that fatal error on their hands, especially so early into his presidency.

[sirhcyennek81]

Looks as though some of you would find your time better spent on the Foxnews.com forums. I love this painted picture of doom and gloom now that Obama has won. He is one of the smartest men in America and deserves what he's earned (and my vote). He will not run this country in the ground. Why would he? Because a chain email says so?


So...you trust a man with 0 executive exerience to run the largest economic and military machine on the planet. I think thats why some people have problems with Obama being elected. But what can you do, he ran a better campaign and won. We'll see what he does, not like he can do any worse than the last four years.


:Broncos:

[Broncojef]

[QUOTE=Binkythefrog;2154446]Are we so arrogant to think that the American way of life is how the world should live theirs? Are you so shallow minded to think that you are the only important person in the world? Are we going to just "Do things our way" regardless of how it affects other people? How selfish is that? Who cares if we consume more oil per capita than any other country or if we pollute more than any other country per capita. Who cares if we are the richest country in the world while the majority of others live in absolute poverty?QUOTE]

America got where its at through hard work, capitalism and God's blessing over our country. We have done more and continue to do more than any other country on the face of the earth for those with less than us. I realize some people want to feel guilt for the wealth and the blessings our forefathers brought to this country and thats fine. But as America bankrupts itself and turns to socialism I hope all the poor countries of the world understand when we aren't there to give them handouts, help and support as we have done in the past. Our technology and inventions over the years have fostered a better standard of living for those around the globe. We give and give and yet Europe and others snub their nose at us and tell us how rotten we are. Soon they will get their wish as you so elegantly pointed out, our standard of living will diminish and the dollar will be worthless. We'll turn to a one world currency and impose environmental rules that will grind our economy even further into a recession and perhaps a depression should the taxes promised take full effect. The next time there is a global catastrophy or maybe one here at home you can be happy with your stance and that we are no better than anyone else in the world and I wonder how many people will wonder where the great USA is to rescue them so they can complain.

[broncofan7]

Looks as though some of you would find your time better spent on the Foxnews.com forums. I love this painted picture of doom and gloom now that Obama has won. He is one of the smartest men in America and deserves what he's earned (and my vote). He will not run this country in the ground. Why would he? Because a chain email says so?

To play devils advocate--what in particular has Barack done to warrant your enthusiastic support besides being the nominee of the opposing party to the one that has botched the last 8 years?

[Dagmar]

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[broncofan7]

[QUOTE=Binkythefrog;2154446]Are we so arrogant to think that the American way of life is how the world should live theirs? Are you so shallow minded to think that you are the only important person in the world? Are we going to just "Do things our way" regardless of how it affects other people? How selfish is that? Who cares if we consume more oil per capita than any other country or if we pollute more than any other country per capita. Who cares if we are the richest country in the world while the majority of others live in absolute poverty?QUOTE]

America got where its at through hard work, capitalism and God's blessing over our country. We have done more and continue to do more than any other country on the face of the earth for those with less than us. I realize some people want to feel guilt for the wealth and the blessings our forefathers brought to this country and thats fine. But as America bankrupts itself and turns to socialism I hope all the poor countries of the world understand when we aren't there to give them handouts, help and support as we have done in the past. Our technology and inventions over the years have fostered a better standard of living for those around the globe. We give and give and yet Europe and others snub their nose at us and tell us how rotten we are. Soon they will get their wish as you so elegantly pointed out, our standard of living will diminish and the dollar will be worthless. We'll turn to a one world currency and impose environmental rules that will grind our economy even further into a recession and perhaps a depression should the taxes promised take full effect. The next time there is a global catastrophy or maybe one here at home you can be happy with your stance and that we are no better than anyone else in the world and I wonder how many people will wonder where the great USA is to rescue them so they can complain.

Hard work, dedication and the will of the people-GOD HAD NO MORE TO DO WITH IT BEYOND WHAT A LUCKY RABBITS FOOT WOULD DO FOR SOME..if he provides inspiration --good for you. But i am sure that GOD did not play a role for everyone who has fought for this country either with a gun or by the stroke of a pen......

[Dagmar]

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[rugbythug]

[QUOTE=Broncojef;2154481]

Hard work, dedication and the will of the people-GOD HAD NO MORE TO DO WITH IT BEYOND WHAT A LUCKY RABBITS FOOT WOULD DO FOR SOME..if he provides inspiration --good for you. But i am sure that GOD did not play a role for everyone who has fought for this country either with a gun or by the stroke of a pen......

So Sayath Broncofan7--- He who has all the answers--

At least I can finally put that age old question of whether there is a God to bed.


Now if you would only address
"What is the meaning of Life?"

[Dagmar]

http://www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/110508_changecoming2.jpg

[Peoples Champ]

why cant we all just get along

[rugbythug]

http://i33.tinypic.com/zx6yi8.jpg

THats Pretty Good.

[Dagmar]

The Onion

Carrying a majority of the popular vote, Obama did especially well among women and young voters, who polls showed were particularly sensitive to the current climate of everything being ****ed. Another factor contributing to Obama's victory, political experts said, may have been the growing number of Americans who, faced with the complete collapse of their country, were at last able to abandon their preconceptions and cast their vote for a progressive African-American.

Citizens with eyes, ears, and the ability to wake up and realize what truly matters in the end are also believed to have played a crucial role in Tuesday's election.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

To play devils advocate--what in particular has Barack done to warrant your enthusiastic support besides being the nominee of the opposing party to the one that has botched the last 8 years?

Why base it on what he's done already? I'm basing it on his judgment, his plans and visions of the future. When I hear "blah, blah, blah he has no experience", I wonder why this wasn't a 1984-like blowout for the other side. If he was that bad of a person, then how was he allowed to get this far in the first place? If it was that easy to just say "this guy has no experience", then it should have been a cakewalk for the other side. But that's not what the people want. He'll surround himself with some of the smartest people in America - guys like Colin Powell and Warren Buffett. They have experience, right? And he'll make decisions with respect to those around him. He'll be closer to the middle than many think.

[broncofan7]

[QUOTE=broncofan7;2154487]

So Sayath Broncofan7--- He who has all the answers--

At least I can finally put that age old question of whether there is a God to bed.


Now if you would only address
"What is the meaning of Life?"

Well, I used to believe in santa claus too....

[zdoor]

We've got to give the guy a chance. However, at the same time as a business owner with 45 employees, it would be foolish not to plan for the inevitable tax hikes we are going to see. If my company did not make over 250k a year it would have been closed long ago. There would be no way to fund growth, AR, equipment purchases, the inevitable customers who don't pay there bills, etc.. without decent annual profits. At this point we are planning for a minimum increase in effective taxes of approx 10%. The reality will be that money will come from somewhere and most often it will be from a reduction in payroll.

[~Crash~]

That makes no sense. Nothing that happened last night would make it necessary to lay someone off today, unless you are talking about some personal situation that had nothing to do with the election.

You say that but I see a depression on it’s way I no longer believe that things will be okay . I plan on doing all my work for myself I did it before but I was tired all the time but I will have to find ways to do it all myself ... I raise tomatoes and there probably will be no need for what I do now any ways people told me prices were to high this year anyways and that they were going to start raising gardens next year so I was already behind the 8 ball so no you are right I was not thinking of a lay off from one night . but after last night I think I am really out of business not sure I will know more in coming weeks but I can promise you this after last night I no longer have an employ .

[broncofan7]

Why base it on what he's done already? I'm basing it on his judgment, his plans and visions of the future. When I hear "blah, blah, blah he has no experience", I wonder why this wasn't a 1984-like blowout for the other side. If he was that bad of a person, then how was he allowed to get this far in the first place? If it was that easy to just say "this guy has no experience", then it should have been a cakewalk for the other side. But that's not what the people want. He'll surround himself with some of the smartest people in America - guys like Colin Powell and Warren Buffett. They have experience, right? And he'll make decisions with respect to those around him. He'll be closer to the middle than many think.

Why base it on what he's already done? LOL, you cannot be serious. The Dems could have rolled out LABF and he would have taken the election. This was a perfect strom for ANY democratic candidate--1)the opposing party has just completed perhaps the worst 8 year span in the last 50 years with a President who's rating is lower than even Brad Johnson's QB rating. 2) the economic collapse occurs 8 weeks before the election--EVERYONE was affected in one way ro another--whether they manage their own securities or the subscribe to a mutual fund company who manages their 401k's or job layoffs--when people start losing $$$$$$ --they want to hold someone accountable--and they did--the Republicans.

While I agree with you that we both hope he will govern towards the middle, we have NOTHING TO BASE THAT OFF OF. It is just that, hope. Hence my reservations....but as others have pointed out---McCain certainly was no messiah either.....

[Broncojef]

[QUOTE=Broncojef;2154481]

Hard work, dedication and the will of the people-GOD HAD NO MORE TO DO WITH IT BEYOND WHAT A LUCKY RABBITS FOOT WOULD DO FOR SOME..if he provides inspiration --good for you. But i am sure that GOD did not play a role for everyone who has fought for this country either with a gun or by the stroke of a pen......

I've known some of the biggest badasses you've ever seen when in combat that turned to foxhole religion pretty damn quick when real bullets started flying. I get the feeling others in this country may have to be brought to that point as well before this country gets back to what it was, hell maybe it never will.

[Broncojef]

Why base it on what he's already done? LOL, you cannot be serious. The Dems could have rolled out LABF and he would have taken the election. This was a perfect strom for ANY democratic candidate--1)the opposing party has just completed perhaps the worst 8 year span in the last 50 years with a President who's rating is lower than even Brad Johnson's QB rating. 2) the economic collapse occurs 8 weeks before the election--EVERYONE was affected in one way ro another--whether they manage their own securities or the subscribe to a mutual fund company who manages their 401k's or job layoffs--when people start losing $$$$$$ --they want to hold someone accountable--and they did--the Republicans.

While I agree with you that we both hope he will govern towards the middle, we have NOTHING TO BASE THAT OFF OF. It is just that, hope. Hence my reservations....but as others have pointed out---McCain certainly was no messiah either.....

Actually I think Carter would give Bush more than a run for his money as the worst in 50 years, hopefully we don't see a replay of that again. Most of the young voters so hyped on Obama don't remember him I guess.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Actually I think Carter would give Bush more than a run for his money as the worst in 50 years, hopefully we don't see a replay of that again. Most of the young voters so hyped on Obama don't remember him I guess.

Carter was bad....but BUsh was an abomination.

[~Crash~]

God you are a dolt.
you say I am dumb thats fine I still have my house there are a lot of americans that have lost theirs . :thumbsup:

[broncofan7]

[QUOTE=broncofan7;2154487]

I've known some of the biggest badasses you've ever seen when in combat that turned to foxhole religion pretty damn quick when real bullets started flying. I get the feeling others in this country may have to be brought to that point as well before this country gets back to what it was, hell maybe it never will.

I didn't say that 'God' is not an inspiration for many brave American's actions/deeds that has made that country what it is today--but it was those deeds, nothing more, that made this country great.

[theAPAOps5]

you say I am dumb thats fine I still have my house there are a lot of americans that have lost theirs . :thumbsup:

Yeah and thanks to Bush we are now more socialist because you and I as taxpayers just bought all the debt from those bad investments. You say we are screwed after last night but I am not sure why. We were already screwed.

Why are you so terrified of him? There has to be a reason. Did you know the economy has gotten better under every Democrat except Carter? Whats the deal why the chicken little attitude.

[~Crash~]

I forgot all Republicans are dolts :thumbs:

[colonelbeef]

This is what pisses me off. It's people like you that brings race in the election. You know some of us never even looked at the color of McCain or Obama?

I believe you have to serve your country before you can attempt to run it.

Did you vote for Bush?

[theAPAOps5]

So why are you scared? Or is this a case of you overreacting again like how Terrell Davis played on a Broken Leg?

[Br0nc0Buster]

This is great news.

Slightly tempered by the fact that the bigots won in California, but still overall a good thing for us

[HEAV]

We've got to give the guy a chance. However, at the same time as a business owner with 45 employees, it would be foolish not to plan for the inevitable tax hikes we are going to see. If my company did not make over 250k a year it would have been closed long ago. There would be no way to fund growth, AR, equipment purchases, the inevitable customers who don't pay there bills, etc.. without decent annual profits. At this point we are planning for a minimum increase in effective taxes of approx 10%. The reality will be that money will come from somewhere and most often it will be from a reduction in payroll.

Only if you company's net profit is over 250k.

You would have to "make" $250,000 in net profit, after deducting all your expenses.

Such as employee pay, supplies, vechicle(s), your fuel costs, and other legitimate business expenses

But do you provide health insurance for your employees?

If yes, then you will be given a tax credit on the amount you pay for the coverage. Nearly 50% of what you paid for health premeiums.

Also a tax credit for creating new jobs. Growing expansion adding new staff.

So you have to look at all of that before you see if you would be affected.

[zdoor]

So why are you scared? Or is this a case of you overreacting again like how Terrell Davis played on a Broken Leg?

I'm kinda curious why no democrats are held responsible for anything when they have controlled congress for the last 2 years... Is it Bush is just so persuasive or do you think the country has improved dramatically over the last 2 years???

[broncofan7]

This is great news.

Slightly tempered by the fact that the bigots won in California, but still overall a good thing for us

bigots? to what are you referring?

[ColoradoDarin]

Carter was bad....but BUsh was an abomination.

Time certainly heals all wounds I guess. Anyone who (soberly :wiggle:) remembers the late 70s probably wouldn't say Carter is better than Bush - What's the "Misery Index" at today?

[zdoor]

bigots? to what are you referring?

Proposition 8...

[Br0nc0Buster]

bigots? to what are you referring?

The people who supported proposition 8

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I'm kinda curious why no democrats are held responsible for anything when they have controlled congress for the last 2 years... Is it Bush is just so persuasive or do you think the country has improved dramatically over the last 2 years???

Hard to pass any sort of progressive legislation when the commander and cheif vetos it all.

[zdoor]

Hard to pass any sort of progressive legislation when the commander and cheif vetos it all.

What legislation do you feel was vetoed that would have righted the path Bush has put us on?

[broncofan7]

Proposition 8...

aggh---the Californians decided to defend the 'sanctity' of something that ends in failure over half of the time...LOL --sounds like slowick defending his 'defensive scheme'.....

[socalorado]

This is great news.

Slightly tempered by the fact that the bigots won in California, but still overall a good thing for us

California is the most liberal state their is. I dont even think San Fransico recognizes US laws anymore! And you are calling them bigots?
Thats a bit much, bro.
Now, think really hard about a minority group in Ca. that would almost ALL vote yes on 8...........

[socalorado]

aggh---the Californians decided to defend the 'sanctity' of something that ends in failure over half of the time...LOL --sounds like slowing defending his 'defensive scheme'.....

I believe the divorce rate in Ca. is 74%!! LO!L!

[Drek]

I'm kinda curious why no democrats are held responsible for anything when they have controlled congress for the last 2 years... Is it Bush is just so persuasive or do you think the country has improved dramatically over the last 2 years???
2 years is hardly enough time to even start making changes, especially when the GOP has set their sights on a record number of filibusters and Bush uses his line item veto more than most people change their socks.

I love how the right wingers say that Bush's horrible approval rating isn't indicative of anything because this "democrat controlled congress" has a worse one. Well last night we didn't see a single of these supposedly very unpopular dems booted out of Washington, but we saw a whole lot of republicans lose their jobs.

The American people have spoken. The theocratic, obtuse minded, fiscally irresponsible party has been shown the door. Come back when you actually understand and believe in the things you pay lip service to.

bigots? to what are you referring?
The bigots in California who voted in an amendment to the state constitution that actually takes away a right.

I believe its the first time post-slavery that we had a constitutional amendment at the state or federal level that actually took away rights instead of giving them. All because a bunch of bigots can't stand the thought of someone doing what they feel like in the privacy of their own homes.

[~Crash~]

Yeah and thanks to Bush we are now more socialist because you and I as taxpayers just bought all the debt from those bad investments. You say we are screwed after last night but I am not sure why. We were already screwed.

Why are you so terrified of him? There has to be a reason. Did you know the economy has gotten better under every Democrat except Carter? Whats the deal why the chicken little attitude.

I was hanging on by a thread . I will do the best I can but I know when to say when . I almost never made this grow year anyway to high the expenses for the amount of profit .

Fuel is about to go up way higher bank on it . that is why I am cutting back now .

I am not sure when the stock market will fail but that is coming soon . Government will be right behind bad times are here .

When you pull out of Iraq this will set all of this in motion but really what did it for me is "put more air in your tires "oh my that was his answer to what americans should do to make energy more cheap . in essence he plans on business as usual

this guy is all easy answers hope I am wrong but crap is about to hit the fan .

to live the life style we live comes at a price .

[rugbythug]

2 years is hardly enough time to even start making changes, especially when the GOP has set their sights on a record number of filibusters and Bush uses his line item veto more than most people change their socks.

I love how the right wingers say that Bush's horrible approval rating isn't indicative of anything because this "democrat controlled congress" has a worse one. Well last night we didn't see a single of these supposedly very unpopular dems booted out of Washington, but we saw a whole lot of republicans lose their jobs.

The American people have spoken. The theocratic, obtuse minded, fiscally irresponsible party has been shown the door. Come back when you actually understand and believe in the things you pay lip service to.


The bigots in California who voted in an amendment to the state constitution that actually takes away a right.

I believe its the first time post-slavery that we had a constitutional amendment at the state or federal level that actually took away rights instead of giving them. All because a bunch of bigots can't stand the thought of someone doing what they feel like in the privacy of their own homes.

Line Item Veto Does not even Exist.

As to Rights taken away- Please-It was never given in the first place. Courts are to mediate law not make it out of thin air.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

After eight years of assault on our Constitution, we have elected a President who teaches Constitutional law. Even if youre not a democrat, take some solace in that.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

I was hanging on by a thread . I will do the best I can but I know when to say when . I almost never made this grow year anyway to high the expenses for the amount of profit .

Fuel is about to go up way higher bank on it . that is why I am cutting back now .

I am not sure when the stock market will fail but that is coming soon . Government will be right behind bad times are here .

When you pull out of Iraq this will set all of this in motion but really what did it for me is put more air in your tires oh my that was his answer to what americans should do to make energy more cheap . in essence he plans on business as usual

this guy is all easy answers hope I am wrong but **** is about to hit the fan .

to live the life style we live comes at a price .

I know how you can make money. You can start your own tin foil hat business and sell to the other loons.

[Br0nc0Buster]

California is the most liberal state their is. I dont even think San Fransico recognizes US laws anymore! And you are calling them bigots?
Thats a bit much, bro.
Now, think really hard about a minority group in Ca. that would almost ALL vote yes on 8...........

Pretty much all the African Americans supported it in Cali.
And yes they are bigots.
They want to take away the rights of tax paying citizens when it is actually unconstitutional to do so.

Hopefully the Supreme Court steps in.

[zdoor]

2 years is hardly enough time to even start making changes, especially when the GOP has set their sights on a record number of filibusters and Bush uses his line item veto more than most people change their socks.

I love how the right wingers say that Bush's horrible approval rating isn't indicative of anything because this "democrat controlled congress" has a worse one. Well last night we didn't see a single of these supposedly very unpopular dems booted out of Washington, but we saw a whole lot of republicans lose their jobs.

The American people have spoken. The theocratic, obtuse minded, fiscally irresponsible party has been shown the door. Come back when you actually understand and believe in the things you pay lip service to.


The bigots in California who voted in an amendment to the state constitution that actually takes away a right.

I believe its the first time post-slavery that we had a constitutional amendment at the state or federal level that actually took away rights instead of giving them. All because a bunch of bigots can't stand the thought of someone doing what they feel like in the privacy of their own homes.

It's pretty ridiculous to call this state bigoted. It is probably the most liberal, progressive state in the union and other than the governor, is mostly democratic. I can see both sides of the argument on prop 8, many people in the state including democrats are irritated that gay marriage is constantly pushed and prodded and given excessive attention especially in schools. It led to this proposition. It's pretty easy to understand....


BTW... I voted no on prop 8...

[broncofan7]

I was hanging on by a thread . I will do the best I can but I know when to say when . I almost never made this grow year anyway to high the expenses for the amount of profit .

Fuel is about to go up way higher bank on it . that is why I am cutting back now .

I am not sure when the stock market will fail but that is coming soon . Government will be right behind bad times are here .

When you pull out of Iraq this will set all of this in motion but really what did it for me is "put more air in your tires "oh my that was his answer to what americans should do to make energy more cheap . in essence he plans on business as usual

this guy is all easy answers hope I am wrong but crap is about to hit the fan .

to live the life style we live comes at a price .

please stop posting on this message board..did your 7th grade english teacher actually pass you?

[~Crash~]

well enjoy him you voted in socialism last night it all sounds good on paper ... hell I am on welfare after last night ....pay raise ..... why do I fell so bad ....lol

[rugbythug]

Amazing the high horse everyone is on. People who appose your line of thought are Stupid Bigots. Must be pretty Cool to be the smartest guy in the room.

If you take the long view you will see this is just the Ebb and Flow of Politics. The next Midterm Election will see a major correction in the House and a minor one in the Senate. This will be back lash to the Party in Power. It has happened time and time again.

[PLOWHORSE]

I was hanging on by a thread . I will do the best I can but I know when to say when . I almost never made this grow year anyway to high the expenses for the amount of profit .

Fuel is about to go up way higher bank on it . that is why I am cutting back now .

I am not sure when the stock market will fail but that is coming soon . Government will be right behind bad times are here .

When you pull out of Iraq this will set all of this in motion but really what did it for me is "put more air in your tires "oh my that was his answer to what americans should do to make energy more cheap . in essence he plans on business as usual

this guy is all easy answers hope I am wrong but crap is about to hit the fan .

to live the life style we live comes at a price .

Uuuuh...you not smart.

[Garcia Bronco]

After eight years of assault on our Constitution, we have elected a President who teaches Constitutional law. Even if youre not a democrat, take some solace in that.

He's also a man that uses phrases like "economic justice", which is about as anti-Constitution as it gets. Further more this "assault on our Constitution" started almost as soon as the day after it was ratified. The Constitution is a contract to restrain Government. Obama clearly from his voting record and his own words does NOT believe in restrained governemnt.

[~Crash~]

I know how you can make money. You can start your own tin foil hat business and sell to the other loons.

:thumbs:

[~Crash~]

Uuuuh...you not smart.


Is that always how you treat people ?:thumbs:

[JCMElway]

Eh, I gave Bush a chance when he first came into office. When he attacked Iraq, I was done supporting him.

I hope McCain supporters at least give Barack a chance and see what he does in the first 6 months of his Presidency.

[~Crash~]

yes I will put air in my tires ! Go Barack Barack

[Borks147]

all I've got say is that if you're not excited to see what he does in his first year in office (regardless of whether you supported his candidacy) you have no pulse. He will be president in a few months, support him until he proves to be undeserving of that support (hi W!)

[footstepsfrom#27]

Pretty much all the African Americans supported it in Cali.
And yes they are bigots.
They supported it because blacks are overwhelmingly protestant Christians and the Bible calls homosexuality sin, and they have a perfect right to that belief, just as you do to yours. Neither you nor anyone else can legitimately define that belief as bigotry for two reasons; 1) you cannot gage individual motives of the heart, and 2) freedom of religion entitles one to their own beliefs based on moral choices, disagreeing with the behavior tells you nothing about the motives behind that belief. Bigotry is generally defined as animosity towards someone different than you on that basis alone. One needn't hold animosity for someone to reject the notion that their behavior is legitimate or that it should be state sanctioned. Labeling an entire group of people bigots based on the fact that they don't wish to re-define the institution of marriage is faulty logic designed only to serve your own need for propagandizing this issue.
They want to take away the rights of tax paying citizens when it is actually unconstitutional to do so.

Hopefully the Supreme Court steps in.
The US Constitution does not speak on this issue.

[Circle Orange]

Obama is black?? :deadhorse

It gets old hearing the we are racist if we don't like that crazy mans ideas!!

Obama, black. I'd say fudge ripple scoop, were he ice cream.

This country celebrates "diversity" as long as you're labelled one thing or the other. And considering all the mixed race folk who live in the USA, I find it interesting he's never called white. You know, that 'power of the black blood' principle...eventually you won't even need a black parent for the media to say afro american! just jump in a tanning booth...it WOULD make an interesting situation if he were lighter...I wonder how the media would label him then! There's that last taboo in the USA...if you have any white in you, pretend it doesn't exist. Just call on the color of convenience!

We're still a little backwards, but working on it. :flower:

And this was a vote for the GREEN, which is the most universal color. You mess with people's money, jobs and homes and it's over.

[lex]

Obama, black. I'd say fudge ripple scoop, were he ice cream.

This country celebrates "diversity" as long as you're labelled one thing or the other. And considering all the mixed race folk who live in the USA, I find it interesting he's never called white. You know, that 'power of the black blood' principle...eventually you won't even need a black parent for the media to say afro american! just jump in a tanning booth...it WOULD make an interesting situation if he were lighter...I wonder how the media would label him then! There's that last taboo in the USA...if you have any white in you, pretend it doesn't exist. Just call on the color of convenience!

We're still a little backwards, but working on it. :flower:

And this was a vote for the GREEN, which is the most universal color. You mess with people's money, jobs and homes and it's over.

Yeah, the term "Halfrican American" hasnt caught on yet.

[rugbythug]

Obama, black. I'd say fudge ripple scoop, were he ice cream.

This country celebrates "diversity" as long as you're labelled one thing or the other. And considering all the mixed race folk who live in the USA, I find it interesting he's never called white. You know, that 'power of the black blood' principle...eventually you won't even need a black parent for the media to say afro american! just jump in a tanning booth...it WOULD make an interesting situation if he were lighter...I wonder how the media would label him then! There's that last taboo in the USA...if you have any white in you, pretend it doesn't exist. Just call on the color of convenience!

We're still a little backwards, but working on it. :flower:

And this was a vote for the GREEN, which is the most universal color. You mess with people's money, jobs and homes and it's over.

Is Shanahan your Favorite Black Coach?

[zdoor]

They supported it because blacks are overwhelmingly protestant Christians and the Bible calls homosexuality sin, and they have a perfect right to that belief, just as you do to yours. Neither you nor anyone else can legitimately define that belief as bigotry for two reasons; 1) you cannot gage individual motives of the heart, and 2) freedom of religion entitles one to their own beliefs based on moral choices, disagreeing with the behavior tells you nothing about the motives behind that belief. Bigotry is generally defined as animosity towards someone different than you on that basis alone. One needn't hold animosity for someone to reject the notion that their behavior is legitimate or that it should be state sanctioned. Labeling an entire group of people bigots based on the fact that they don't wish to re-define the institution of marriage is faulty logic designed only to serve your own need for propagandizing this issue.

The US Constitution does not speak on this issue.

Well said...

[Br0nc0Buster]

They supported it because blacks are overwhelmingly protestant Christians and the Bible calls homosexuality sin, and they have a perfect right to that belief, just as you do to yours. Neither you nor anyone else can legitimately define that belief as bigotry for two reasons; 1) you cannot gage individual motives of the heart, and 2) freedom of religion entitles one to their own beliefs based on moral choices, disagreeing with the behavior tells you nothing about the motives behind that belief. Bigotry is generally defined as animosity towards someone different than you on that basis alone. One needn't hold animosity for someone to reject the notion that their behavior is legitimate or that it should be state sanctioned. Labeling an entire group of people bigots based on the fact that they don't wish to re-define the institution of marriage is faulty logic designed only to serve your own need for propagandizing this issue.

The US Constitution does not speak on this issue.

It doesnt matter what they believe, the US is a secular country. The US cannot support laws based off of religious views. The 1st amdendment and article 11 of the treaty of tripoli confirm this. The Constitution was created for the very reason of protecting the minority from the tyranny of the majority. If a proposition was proposed in South Carolina to ban the rights of black people to vote, would you respect my belief that I would support it because I think black people are inferior?

*I am not saying this is what I believe about black people, this is a purely hypothetical situation*

This is exactly why the Supreme Court ruled seperated but equal is not equal.

And your point about the US Constitution not speaking on the issue is exactly my point. It doesnt say that marriage has to be between a man and a woman. There is no universal law that states marriage must be between a man and a woman. Same sex marriages have been used throughout history in different parts of the world.

Again I will confirm that we are a secular nation, religious beliefs are NOT to be respected by having laws passed in their favor. We are not a theocracy, we are a republic. Not everyone is a Christian, thus not everyone should have to follow rules based from the bible.

Anyone who thinks nonChristians should follow what the bible says are bigots, plain and simple.

[Dendave]

I will share a story of what happened to me today.

I walked into a gas station at lunch to buy a soda, as I was standing in line with 3 other white people, an African-American walks in and starts shouting "have you all heard the news? a brother from the hood is now office and all you white people are going to get what you deserve" I swear to God I thought he was going to pull out a gun and start shooting. My heart is still racing a mile a minute.

Just thought I would pass it along

[Crushaholic]

I will share a story of what happened to me today.

I walked into a gas station at lunch to buy a soda, as I was standing in line with 3 other white people, an African-American walks in and starts shouting "have you all heard the news? a brother from the hood is now office and all you white people are going to get what you deserve" I swear to God I thought he was going to pull out a gun and start shooting. My heart is still racing a mile a minute.

Just thought I would pass it along


Seriously, that's too bad. The mindset of some of the people in this country is very scary...

[55CrushEm]

I will share a story of what happened to me today.

I walked into a gas station at lunch to buy a soda, as I was standing in line with 3 other white people, an African-American walks in and starts shouting "have you all heard the news? a brother from the hood is now office and all you white people are going to get what you deserve" I swear to God I thought he was going to pull out a gun and start shooting. My heart is still racing a mile a minute.

Just thought I would pass it along


But racism practiced by blacks is GOOD though, right? hmmm...

[Beantown Bronco]

I will share a story of what happened to me today.

I walked into a gas station at lunch to buy a soda, as I was standing in line with 3 other white people, an African-American walks in and starts shouting "have you all heard the news? a brother from the hood is now office and all you white people are going to get what you deserve" I swear to God I thought he was going to pull out a gun and start shooting. My heart is still racing a mile a minute.

Just thought I would pass it along


When he was done ranting, did you tell him to top off the tank and check the washer fluid while he was at it?

;)

[theAPAOps5]

I will share a story of what happened to me today.

I walked into a gas station at lunch to buy a soda, as I was standing in line with 3 other white people, an African-American walks in and starts shouting "have you all heard the news? a brother from the hood is now office and all you white people are going to get what you deserve" I swear to God I thought he was going to pull out a gun and start shooting. My heart is still racing a mile a minute.

Just thought I would pass it along


Thats disgusting and ignorant and yes racist. I wouldn't consider him representative of the whole though.

I would have said you know what Obama would be humiliated by your childish and uneducated rant and told you to shut the **** up. Since he's not here I'll do it for him.

[Crushaholic]

Eh, I gave Bush a chance when he first came into office. When he attacked Iraq, I was done supporting him.

I hope McCain supporters at least give Barack a chance and see what he does in the first 6 months of his Presidency.

He absolutely deserves a chance to "right the ship"...

[Orange_Beard]

We are all going to get what we deserve!



An intelligent leader.

[ColoradoDarin]

We are all going to get what we deserve!



An intelligent leader.

Yes, one to lead all 57 of our states...

[Orange_Beard]

Yes, one to lead all 57 of our states...

Sarah, is that you?

[ZONA]

A quick message to those die hard Republicans who insist worse times are ahead of us.

Quit you're whining. Nobody could be a worse president then Junior was and this country endured his failed views and policies for 8 years. You say the world will fall apart under Obama but fail to acknowledge that you were DEAD wrong on Bush........twice. Why should anybody in the free world today believe anything you have to say about what is right for America? You're message of fear and division is tired and worn out. There are many long term Republican stratagists, politicians and followers that have said the Republican brand needs to change how it opperates. It's not the Republican brand or even the millions of honest and hard working Republican people that are wrong, it's a few dishonest and immoral leaders of that party that has betrayed and mislead their followers for years. I for one hope that no Republican in the futre wants to hear anything Karl Rove has to say. His lies, deceit and nasty infectious tactics are finished. I know that there are some Republicans that will not support Obama, that is their choice. You can continue to live in the past while the whole nation moves past you into a new and bright future.

For those Republicans and Independants that share the views of John McCain, realizing that you do have differences on how things should work, but want to move forward and unite Americans to work towards a greater cause then their party's views, to come together and try to work through these most toughest of times, I applaud you and you're mature position on this.

Cheers !!!

[sirhcyennek81]

We are all going to get what we deserve!



An intelligent leader.


We'll see.


:Broncos:

[sirhcyennek81]

A quick message to those die hard Republicans who insist worse times are ahead of us.

Quit you're whining. Nobody could be a worse president then Junior was and this country endured his failed views and policies for 8 years. You say the world will fall apart under Obama but fail to acknowledge that you were DEAD wrong on Bush........twice. Why should anybody in the free world today believe anything you have to say about what is right for America? You're message of fear and division is tired and worn out. There are many long term Republican stratagists, politicians and followers that have said the Republican brand needs to change how it opperates. It's not the Republican brand or even the millions of honest and hard working Republican people that are wrong, it's a few dishonest and immoral leaders of that party that has betrayed and mislead their followers for years. I for one hope that no Republican in the futre wants to hear anything Karl Rove has to say. His lies, deceit and nasty infectious tactics are finished. I know that there are some Republicans that will not support Obama, that is their choice. You can continue to live in the past while the whole nation moves past you into a new and bright future.

For those Republicans and Independants that share the views of John McCain, realizing that you do have differences on how things should work, but want to move forward and unite Americans to work towards a greater cause then their party's views, to come together and try to work through these most toughest of times, I applaud you and you're mature position on this.

Cheers !!!


Revisionism is such a nasty thing. Carter and Hoover were eons worse than anything Bush could have done. But we will see with Obama. Hopefully he surprises.

:Broncos:

[TheReverend]

When he was done ranting, did you tell him to top off the tank and check the washer fluid while he was at it?

;)

:spit:

[Spider]

I will share a story of what happened to me today.

I walked into a gas station at lunch to buy a soda, as I was standing in line with 3 other white people, an African-American walks in and starts shouting "have you all heard the news? a brother from the hood is now office and all you white people are going to get what you deserve" I swear to God I thought he was going to pull out a gun and start shooting. My heart is still racing a mile a minute.

Just thought I would pass it along


Should have dropped him where he stood ...........

[socalorado]

Should have dropped him where he stood ...........

A quick punch to the throat always works....so ive heard.

[Orange_Beard]

Revisionism is such a nasty thing. Carter and Hoover were eons worse than anything Bush could have done. But we will see with Obama. Hopefully he surprises.

:Broncos:

Hard not to react to this kind of nonsense.

Truth is this has been hashed out already, your guy lost be a man and STFU.

[oubronco]

Thats disgusting and ignorant and yes racist. I wouldn't consider him representative of the whole though.

I would have said you know what Obama would be humiliated by your childish and uneducated rant and told you to shut the **** up. Since he's not here I'll do it for him.

but its true the blacks are the most racist people there is :afro:

[sirhcyennek81]

Hard not to react to this kind of nonsense.

Truth is this has been hashed out already, your guy lost be a man and STFU.


I dont think I said anything about the election other than congrats to Obama and prayers for him and his family. I am conservative as hell, but willing to see what "The One" proposes and does. We'll see. The whining though from the republicans now, however pales in comparison to what we heard in 2000 and 2004.

:Broncos:

[rugbythug]

Hard not to react to this kind of nonsense.

Truth is this has been hashed out already, your guy lost be a man and STFU.

You have poop in your head if you think Bush is the worst president ever.

[GSRelyea]

Congrats to Obama, wish him the best. Just sucks that I have to change my avitar, maybe I can use it in 4 years.

[oubronco]

hell she's still hot for having 5 children

[Dendave]

Congrats to Obama, wish him the best. Just sucks that I have to change my avitar, maybe I can use it in 4 years.

Maybe in 4 years you can change it to PILF

[Beantown Bronco]

hell she's still hot for having 5 children

I think you meant 4. ;)

[Dagmar]

WASHINGTON—African-American man Barack Obama, 47, was given the least-desirable job in the entire country Tuesday when he was elected president of the United States of America. In his new high-stress, low-reward position, Obama will be charged with such tasks as completely overhauling the nation's broken-down economy, repairing the crumbling infrastructure, and generally having to please more than 300 million Americans and cater to their every whim on a daily basis. As part of his duties, the black man will have to spend four to eight years cleaning up the messes other people left behind. The job comes with such intense scrutiny and so certain a guarantee of failure that only one other person even bothered applying for it. Said scholar and activist Mark L. Denton, "It just goes to show you that, in this country, a black man still can't catch a break."http://www.theonion.com/content/themes/onion/assets/terminator.gif.

[Circle Orange]

Is Shanahan your Favorite Black Coach?

LOL, he IS starting to darken up...I think we need to shake his family tree loose and see what falls out...;D

[~Crash~]

I will share a story of what happened to me today.

I walked into a gas station at lunch to buy a soda, as I was standing in line with 3 other white people, an African-American walks in and starts shouting "have you all heard the news? a brother from the hood is now office and all you white people are going to get what you deserve" I swear to God I thought he was going to pull out a gun and start shooting. My heart is still racing a mile a minute.

Just thought I would pass it along


I would of said oh your talking the guy that grew up in Hawaii ..you must be talking in a new dialect...

[Circle Orange]

I will share a story of what happened to me today.

I walked into a gas station at lunch to buy a soda, as I was standing in line with 3 other white people, an African-American walks in and starts shouting "have you all heard the news? a brother from the hood is now office and all you white people are going to get what you deserve" I swear to God I thought he was going to pull out a gun and start shooting. My heart is still racing a mile a minute.

Just thought I would pass it along



don't let morons who are clueless bother you. The fool probably didn't even vote. And the blacks who think having a 'brown face' in the white house means all problems solved, we've arrived! are IDIOTS locked in the past. It also proves they've been living in a hole and ignoring other minority accomplishments.

Dude was yanking your chain for effect and intimidation. 8') unfortunately, some blacks believe whites are easy to intimidate so they play those 'mind games' until they backfire.

[baja]

I don't hate him but I do see the end of our country as we once knew it .<b> 12% unemployment on it's way enjoy....

That was coming anyway. Rove is no fool, his plan was to run an old fart (McCain) & a dumb shiit (Palin) to insure a democrat win so the dems would get all the blame for the coming economic disaster that 8 years of Bush wreckage will surely bring.

[~Crash~]

That was coming anyway. Rove is no fool, his plan was to run an old fart (McCain) & a dumb shiit (Palin) to insure a democrat win so the dems would get all the blame for the coming economic disaster that 8 years of Bush wreckage will surely bring.

yep Bush is to blame only only him !!!!!!!!!! yep all there fault....:thumbsup:

to do the right thing is not always popular the D side is now in the roast pot ! with people that would love to melt down a Nuke plant or slit our throats good luck with talking to them !!!! you know sit down and talk that will get some were with lights and 100s of virgans

[Orange_Beard]

You have poop in your head if you think Bush is the worst president ever.

LOL!

My poop is smarter then what you got.

[Orange_Beard]

I dont think I said anything about the election other than congrats to Obama and prayers for him and his family. I am conservative as hell, but willing to see what "The One" proposes and does. We'll see. The whining though from the republicans now, however pales in comparison to what we heard in 2000 and 2004.

:Broncos:

Hmm, you don't think that if McCain lost because of the "hanging chad" you would and be pissing and moaning a little more?

[sirhcyennek81]

Hmm, you don't think that if McCain lost because of the "hanging chad" you would and be pissing and moaning a little more?

Nope. No point in crying when its over and done with.

:Broncos:

[Orange_Beard]

Nope. No point in crying when its over and done with.

:Broncos:

I call BS.

[sirhcyennek81]

I call BS.


Why cry about something now that happened 8 years ago?


:Broncos:

[DomCasual]

Why is it that when someone wants to be dramatic, they say "The United States of America?" In any other case, people just say the US or America.

Just saying.

[Orange_Beard]

you were comparing what happened the day after the election in 2000. I am WWWAAAAYyyy over it.

With the clear beating the McCain last night there is really nothing to complain about. When Gore lost there were some real questions .

[Crushaholic]

Why is it that when someone wants to be dramatic, they say "The United States of America?" In any other case, people just say the US or America.

Just saying.

Do you want to be a nation of syllable-challenged Americans? I don't think so! That's not an America in which I care to live....

[zdoor]

Only if you company's net profit is over 250k.

You would have to "make" $250,000 in net profit, after deducting all your expenses.

Such as employee pay, supplies, vechicle(s), your fuel costs, and other legitimate business expenses

But do you provide health insurance for your employees?

If yes, then you will be given a tax credit on the amount you pay for the coverage. Nearly 50% of what you paid for health premeiums.

Also a tax credit for creating new jobs. Growing expansion adding new staff.

So you have to look at all of that before you see if you would be affected.

We do make over 250k net profit and yes our full time employees have health insurance. If the job credit you are referring to is the 3000 dollars mentioned in the campaign, honestly that would not be near enough for me to hire someone I wouldn't have otherwise hired.

Look, I'm hoping for the best but the reality is if companies have to pay more money in taxes than that money will have to come from somewhere and most employers will look at salaries and wages first.

Living in California where we have a very liberal capital, my experience with the line of thinking we are about to have in the capital has not been good...

[DenverBroncosJM]

Obama, black. I'd say fudge ripple scoop, were he ice cream.

This country celebrates "diversity" as long as you're labelled one thing or the other. And considering all the mixed race folk who live in the USA, I find it interesting he's never called white. You know, that 'power of the black blood' principle...eventually you won't even need a black parent for the media to say afro american! just jump in a tanning booth...it WOULD make an interesting situation if he were lighter...I wonder how the media would label him then! There's that last taboo in the USA...if you have any white in you, pretend it doesn't exist. Just call on the color of convenience!

We're still a little backwards, but working on it. :flower:

And this was a vote for the GREEN, which is the most universal color. You mess with people's money, jobs and homes and it's over.

Today at work I was speaking with a black female co worker and she said "We actually have a black President" and I said "No, we have a half white President"

[DomCasual]

Do you want to be a nation of syllable-challenged Americans? I don't think so! That's not an America in which I care to live....

No. No, I don't. Not in The United States of America.