Democrat Menendez threatens Cavuto with "Fairness Doctrine"

[barryr]

Yeah, I know, this policy is just for "fairness" and not limiting free speech. Yeah, right. Looks like the fascists want Obama as a president and limiting free speech too. Our country is going the way of Nazi Germany.

http://beltwayblips.com/video/cavuto_vs_sen_menendez_on_obama_s_tax_plan/

[spdirty]

free speech is outdated anyway. The Messiah will show us the way.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[gunns]

And the slug is on his way out. Guess he did do something good. Look at the people voting that wouldn't have otherwise or never have. That's free speech and it looks like there is a real effort to make sure the Repugs don't attempt to squash that free speech for the first time in 8 years. I'm sure Jesus would find those attempts sinful.

[Rohirrim]

Can't you guys ever get this right? Fascist is for Right Wingers. Commie Bastard is for Left Wingers. Geez. :oyvey:

[Kaylore]

Nazi's were socialists. National Socialist German Workers party. Yeah that sounds like Republicans alright. You see words like "socialist" and "worker's party" all the time on our bumper stickers.

They used a strong national government to really do whatever they wanted with no checks to stop them. Republicans are all about a strong national government telling people where to work, live and how much of your salary you can keep. That's right out of our playbook!

"But Kaylore! The Nazi's were racist and all Republicans are racist!"

Oh that's right. My bad.

[Rohirrim]

Nazi's were socialists. National Socialist German Workers party. Yeah that sounds like Republicans alright. You see words like "socialist" and "worker's party" all the time on our bumper stickers.

They used a strong national government to really do whatever they wanted with no checks to stop them. Republicans are all about a strong national government telling people where to work, live and how much of your salary you can keep. That's right out of our playbook!

"But Kaylore! The Nazi's were racist and all Republicans are racist!"

Oh that's right. My bad.

But what about the nationalism, corporatism and militarism parts? No. Nazism was a Rightist movement. They killed socialists and communists.

[Kaylore]

But what about the nationalism, corporatism and militarism parts? No. Nazism was a Rightist movement. They killed socialists and communists.

No it really wasn't. Strong national defense was about the only thing in common with the conservative movement. Corporatism wasn't a big deal for the Nazis. A majority of their major works and many of their companies were created and/or sponsored by the government. The government told them what to build, how they could build it and for whom. That's not very conservative either.

It's all in history but its so chic to call Republicans Nazis that they don't want to concern themselves with silly things like facts.

[Rohirrim]

No it really wasn't. Strong national defense was about the only thing in common with the conservative movement. Corporatism wasn't a big deal for the Nazis. A majority of their major works and many of their companies were created and/or sponsored by the government. The government told them what to build, how they could build it and for whom. That's not very conservative either.

It's all in history but its so chic to call Republicans Nazis that they don't want to concern themselves with silly things like facts.

Nazis limited their socialism to a particular race and class. They were anti-elitist (ring any bells?). What is called Leftist socialism is an all inclusive movement, opposed to class and racial divisions, and with internationalist ideas. The Nazis hunted those people down and killed them. The Nazis were an insular, race-based, class-based, milatarisic, nationalist, Right wing totalitarian movement. They had zero in common with the Left and actively hunted down and eliminated Leftists.

[Garcia Bronco]

Nazis limited their socialism to a particular race and class. They were anti-elitist (ring any bells?). What is called Leftist socialism is an all inclusive movement, opposed to class and racial divisions, and with internationalist ideas. The Nazis hunted those people down and killed them. The Nazis were an insular, race-based, class-based, milatarisic, nationalist, Right wing totalitarian movement. They had zero in common with the Left and actively hunted down and eliminated Leftists.

Again you display a stunning lack of history. Stick to your tolkien books. They were socialists started in beer halls. They were a left wing movement that became a dictatorship after Nacht der langen Messer.

[Kaylore]

Nazis limited their socialism to a particular race and class. They were anti-elitist (ring any bells?). What is called Leftist socialism is an all inclusive movement, opposed to class and racial divisions, and with internationalist ideas. The Nazis hunted those people down and killed them. The Nazis were an insular, race-based, class-based, milatarisic, nationalist, Right wing totalitarian movement. They had zero in common with the Left and actively hunted down and eliminated Leftists.

:rofl: You honestly believe that what you just wrote is what conservatism is about? Hunting people down? So you see a Republican and think "he wants to hunt people down. That's what he's all about." Just because you wrote the words "right wing" in your list doesn't make it so.


Hitler ran on a populist agenda appealing to the plight of working men during the great depression.
He made promises of a powerful government that would create jobs through state funded public works projects. The Autobahn is one example of the many public works that Hitler started to create jobs.
Once in power they took control of most the businesses in Germany creating mandates for what they needed to build and for whom. Mercedes, Volks Wagon and basically every other business in Germany were told what to make and the specifications they were to make them to.
The elect of their party were granted preferential treatment over those who were not.
They had curfews telling people when to get up and when to go to bed. People were sectioned off into places where they could live based on who they were. There is nothing conservative about that. That's communist.
They ran a fear campaign rooted in purging the country of the unwanted AKA the Jews, gypsies, communists, christian groups, and others.


That looks more communist to me. You keep saying racism = conservatism. How? Conservatism is about many things, and not everyone agrees on each degree.


A strong national defense. This is the only thing in common with the Nazis and FYI pretty much every country in the world agrees at least in some measure to this principle.
A weaker federal government so crap like the Nazis never has the power to emerge, but also so people are allowed to govern themselves. Let them decide where they can live and what they can do.
Free Enterprise. Allow the natural flow of supply and demand to determine what is made, sold and bought.
Traditional personal and family values, believing the key to a strong country is one that has a moral populace. How moral is it to murder millions of people?
Merit system, where everyone is judged and rewarded on their personal effort and ability and no other factors. How in the world does this equal hating on another race? That's the complete opposite.


I look at the Nazis and I see more in common with the left than the right. The Nazis believed people were better because of race. Republicans think people should be judged by their ability only. Lefties want to create things like racial quotas, which is essentially saying that minorities are inferior to white people and its the government's job to mandate what races can work in what places and go to which schools. You tell me who is playing the race card?

[Spider]

:rofl: You honestly believe that what you just wrote is what conservatism is about? Hunting people down? So you see a Republican and think "he wants to hunt people down. That's what he's all about."

well to be fair , is there was that Dick Cheney shooting his friend in the face , Nixons secret enemy list ......... ;D

[OrangeDoofus]

Hitler ran on a populist agenda appealing to the plight of working men during the great depression.
He made promises of a powerful government that would create jobs through state funded public works projects. The Autobahn is one example of the many public works that Hitler started to create jobs.
Once in power they took control of most the businesses in Germany creating mandates for what they needed to build and for whom. Mercedes, Volks Wagon and basically every other business in Germany were told what to make and the specifications they were to make them to.
The elect of their party were granted preferential treatment over those who were not.
They had curfews telling people when to get up and when to go to bed. People were sectioned off into places where they could live based on who they were. There is nothing conservative about that. That's communist.
They ran a fear campaign rooted in purging the country of the unwanted AKA the Jews, gypsies, communists, christian groups, and others.

Your first point here is incorrect; although the Nazi party started as a socialist workers' party, Hitler wasn't much for the working man nor for government seizing private property. His platform was based on nationlism and military expansion, as well as saving Germany from the threat of communism. In fact, one of the reasons the western democracies didn't do anything about Hitler's rise to power was that he was seen as a useful bulwark against the Soviet Union.

I can't really comment on the second and third points, except that contracting for military manufacturing is pretty standard in any non-communist country. It's true that Nazi Germany enlarged its military very quickly in the late 30s, and no doubt that turned the German economy into much more of a command economy. But I think it's pretty clear that that was because of Hitler's military ambitions, not because he wanted to construct a socialist or communist state.

The last three points are all correct, except for the part where you say "That's communism." In reality, none of those things are communist or socialist or liberal or conservative. They're authoritarian. (You even cite the Nazis purging communists from the country as evidence that they were... communist?)

Anyhow, my take on it is that authoritarian government can rise from any political movement, be it left, right, or center. It just takes unscrupulous leaders and a public that's willing to go along for the ride.

[Kaylore]

Your first point here is incorrect; although the Nazi party started as a socialist workers' party, Hitler wasn't much for the working man nor for government seizing private property. His platform was based on nationlism and military expansion, as well as saving Germany from the threat of communism. In fact, one of the reasons the western democracies didn't do anything about Hitler's rise to power was that he was seen as a useful bulwark against the Soviet Union.

I can't really comment on the second and third points, except that contracting for military manufacturing is pretty standard in any non-communist country. It's true that Nazi Germany enlarged its military very quickly in the late 30s, and no doubt that turned the German economy into much more of a command economy. But I think it's pretty clear that that was because of Hitler's military ambitions, not because he wanted to construct a socialist or communist state.

The last three points are all correct, except for the part where you say "That's communism." In reality, none of those things are communist or socialist or liberal or conservative. They're authoritarian. (You even cite the Nazis purging communists from the country as evidence that they were... communist?)

Anyhow, my take on it is that authoritarian government can rise from any political movement, be it left, right, or center. It just takes unscrupulous leaders and a public that's willing to go along for the ride.

I think you're knit-picking a bit. In practice, every communist government has been extremely authoritarian. If you're speaking about communism in the abstract or on paper then you're right.

And Hitler certainly was preaching a return to German glory, but if you go back and read what he talked about a lot of it was appealing to the angry unemployed German men. The Mark was worthless people were without a means to provide for themselves thanks to the Allies trying to saddle the cost of the war on the losers. Economic security was a big part of Hitler's playform, and in my humble opinion, the only reason a movement like his was able to take shape.

However I do agree with the last thing you wrote. Authoritarian governments are not exclusive to any one side of the political movement. I also acknowledge the Nazis did a lot of things, and just because a Nazi did it, that doesn't mean it was bad. Hitler enjoyed salads and by that logic we should stop eating salads lest we "be like Hitler". I just take issue with this idea that the Nazi's and their form of government is somehow a close relative of conservatism in America. It's not.

[Kaylore]

well to be fair , is there was that Dick Cheney shooting his friend in the face , Nixons secret enemy list ......... ;D

:spit: Dude, Cheney sucks as an assassin. I won't hire him for my next hit for sure.

[Spider]

:spit: Dude, Cheney sucks as an assassin. I won't hire him for my next hit for sure.

LOL well if you do , just make sure you wear an orange vest when he comes to collect his pay ;D

[Kaylore]

LOL well if you do , just make sure you wear an orange vest when he comes to collect his pay ;D

Or else what? He'll shoot me in an non-vital area? I can run faster than that fatty anyway. He's got a heart problem to boot. Advantage: Khan.:thanku:

[Rohirrim]

:rofl: You honestly believe that what you just wrote is what conservatism is about? Hunting people down? So you see a Republican and think "he wants to hunt people down. That's what he's all about." Just because you wrote the words "right wing" in your list doesn't make it so.



I thought our argument was about whether fascism was a Right or Left movement. Let's put it this way - who was on Hitler's extermination list? The Left. Simple.

[Spider]

Or else what? He'll shoot me in an non-vital area? I can run faster than that fatty anyway. He's got a heart problem to boot. Advantage: Khan.:thanku:

LOL ..well cheney is from Wyoming , so I dont put much stock into his shooting skills either

[Kaylore]

I thought our argument was about whether fascism was a Right or Left movement. Let's put it this way - who was on Hitler's extermination list? The Left. And the right.

Fixed your post.

[Rohirrim]

Fixed your post.

Who on the Right did he target, other than on the Night of the Long Knives, which was nothing more than his final grab at total authority?

[Drek]

No it really wasn't. Strong national defense was about the only thing in common with the conservative movement. Corporatism wasn't a big deal for the Nazis. A majority of their major works and many of their companies were created and/or sponsored by the government. The government told them what to build, how they could build it and for whom. That's not very conservative either.

It's all in history but its so chic to call Republicans Nazis that they don't want to concern themselves with silly things like facts.
The Nazi party, much like the current GOP, payed lip service to whatever causes of the day would allow them to collect power that belonged to other branches of the government, a la George Bush.

Hitler appealed to the economic struggles, Bush chose terrorism. End result is the same, the attempted destruction of a multiple branched governmental system that could legitimately enforce checks and balances.

Too bad that we Americans aren't sheep on the same level of what Germans were early last century, and all that amassed power is being handed over to Democrats. I think that is what really scares most GOP die hards. They know Bush has broken the system of checks and balances and now those rules won't be twisted and bent in favor of their beliefs.

Also, as a real fiscal conservative I find the current Republican party to be one of the most disingenuous political entities in the world today. For a party of "fiscal conservatives" they sure do like to spend money. They just prefer it to be ever growing debt which devalues the American dollar instead of tax dollars.

[Denver Crush]

Your party has been hijacked by the group called Project for a New American Century, or PNAC for short. These guys are what the press have termed Neo-Cons, and their governmental tactics are highly comparable to those of Nazi Germany. Propaganda, secrecy, consolidation of power, contempt for congress, national spy program, secret prisons, torture....it could go on and on. The current batch of "Republicans" are not Republicans at all. Until you guys come to see this, the current climate of divide and conquer politics will continue.

[Bronco Bob]

Nazi's were socialists. National Socialist German Workers party. .

No they were not. Socialist was just a popular name for political parties
in Europe at that time. So all they were doing was capitalizing on the
popularity of the word. I supposed you think the Democratic People's
Republic of Korea is also democratic just because it has the word
democratic in its name.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I thought our argument was about whether fascism was a Right or Left movement. Let's put it this way - who was on Hitler's extermination list? The Left. Simple.

It was.

And another right-wing know-nothing/revisionist historian just got pwned.

:thumbsup:

[W*GS]

Getting back on topic...

The "Fairness Doctrine" (a perfect example of doublespeak) is nothing more than government censorship. Period.

Any left-wingers than try to present it as anything else are lying. Blatantly.

[W*GS]

Hitler and Stalin had more in common than differentiated them.

Another example of the weakness of teeter-totter 1-D political "thinking".