Colorado get out the Vote for McCain!!!

[rmsanger]

We need your help to keep this state Red... Please get out the vote to keep our country headed in the 'right' direction...


I do not want a socialistic government with a majority in the house, senate, and White House. Please help keep checks and balances to retain capitalisim.

[Spider]

LOL.........you need to go read the Supply and demand retard thread .......

[tnedator]

LOL.........you need to go read the Supply and demand retard thread .......

Typical liberal voter intimidation tactics!

[Spider]

Typical liberal voter intimidation tactics!

LOL shut the **** up ..the truth is intimidating to people like you no doubt ... you really need to think before posting

[theAPAOps5]

How about this get out and vote. Its your right and its your duty. Who cares if you vote McCain and are dead wrong at least you made a choice.

[tnedator]

LOL shut the **** up ..the truth is intimidating to people like you no doubt ... you really need to think before posting

Na, I now subscribe to the "liberal" WPR philosophy of never 'think' and post, for you might actually sound intelligent. If it works for you liberals, why not us conservatives? ???

[Garcia Bronco]

We need your help to keep this state Red... Please get out the vote to keep our country headed in the 'right' direction...


I do not want a socialistic government with a majority in the house, senate, and White House. Please help keep checks and balances to retain capitalisim.

We already have a socialist government. John McCain has done nothing to earn my vote. Had he just picked a good runningmate we'd have an election, but today we have a landslide in the making. He won't get beat as badly as Mondale, but I would imagine it would be that close.

[Spider]

Na, I now subscribe to the "liberal" WPR philosophy of never 'think' and post, for you might actually sound intelligent. If it works for you liberals, why not us conservatives? ???

LOL why do you insist on being an Idiot ? look let me help you out here , the OP clearly points to capitalism as being the focal point on why to vote for McSame ,Clearly supporting oil Barons , tele communications giants cornering the market etc ........ That isnt Capitalism , that isnt free market , thats a Corporation type of hierarchy , that could lead to less quality of life and safety issues ..... As I clearly pointed out in the other thread , the OP ,McSame and Republicans idea of capitalism isnt rue capitalism ...... Gooooooooood day

[tnedator]

We already have a socialist government. John McCain has done nothing to earn my vote. Had he just picked a good runningmate we'd have an election, but today we have a landslide in the making. He won't get beat as badly as Mondale, but I would imagine it would be that close.

Yep, just goes to show what corporate America knows, advertising and theater really works.

We have a lot of mindless robots taking time off of work and skipping school, to 'make history'.

More people believe that Obama will lower taxes than believe McCain will. ???

Advertising works -- money buys votes. If there was ever any doubt, Obama proved it. He started his presidential campaign early by saying that if you vote for me, I will send you a check for $1000 next year. Buying votes at its best.

We'll see how things turn out, but it sure looks like we will have an insanely liberal government in place for the next four years (not many democratic house seats up for re-election in two years), so we'll get to see how that works out.

[tnedator]

LOL why do you insist on being an Idiot ? look let me help you out here , the OP clearly points to capitalism as being the focal point on why to vote for McSame ,Clearly supporting oil Barons , tele communications giants cornering the market etc ........ That isnt Capitalism , that isnt free market , thats a Corporation type of hierarchy , that could lead to less quality of life and safety issues ..... As I clearly pointed out in the other thread , the OP ,McSame and Republicans idea of capitalism isnt rue capitalism ...... Gooooooooood day

Gooood day? Please tell me that means your hitting the road and will stop attacking anyone with a different viewpoint than your own. Please, tell me it's true, Drew...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LOL why do you insist on being an Idiot ? look let me help you out here , the OP clearly points to capitalism as being the focal point on why to vote for McSame ,Clearly supporting oil Barons , tele communications giants cornering the market etc ........ That isnt Capitalism , that isnt free market , thats a Corporation type of hierarchy , that could lead to less quality of life and safety issues ..... As I clearly pointed out in the other thread , the OP ,McSame and Republicans idea of capitalism isnt rue capitalism ...... Gooooooooood day

Ding ding ding! :yep:

A vote for McSame = a vote for corporatocracy.

[Paladin]

(not many democratic house seats up for re-election in two years).....

I believe they are all up for re-election in two years. All House seats are elected for only two years.


Wake up. Get it right. So to speak.....Ha!


You really ought to read up on the Obama plans. Your ignorance on the issues shows....

Typical neocon.....

[tnedator]

I believe they are all up for re-election in two years. All House seats are elected for only two years.


Wake up. Get it right. So to speak.....Ha!


You really ought to read up on the Obama plans. Your ignorance on the issues shows....

Typical neocon.....

I'm tired, I meant Senate seats. Fatigue + irritation at rude posters = mistakes. My bad.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I do not want a socialistic government with a majority in the house, senate, and White House. Please help keep checks and balances to retain capitalisim.

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~lilyth/cartoon/mrdid.jpg

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Your ignorance on the issues shows....

Typical neocon.....

Ha ha ha! :laugh:

He's riding the 'Straight Talking Points' Express all the way to the end of the line.

[Garcia Bronco]

I believe they are all up for re-election in two years. All House seats are elected for only two years.


Wake up. Get it right. So to speak.....Ha!


You really ought to read up on the Obama plans. Your ignorance on the issues shows....

Typical neocon.....

Obama and Congress are going to raise taxes. So would McCain. As Tned pointed out, both these jackasses have been trying to buy votes. I am writing in Paul's name. I am throwing away my vote, but at least I'll have a clean head about it.

[Rohirrim]

I love this argument: Take a look at the last eight years and now vote for more of the same.

No thanks. ;D

[spdirty]

We need your help to keep this state Red... Please get out the vote to keep our country headed in the 'right' direction...


I do not want a socialistic government with a majority in the house, senate, and White House. Please help keep checks and balances to retain capitalisim.

Look, McCain is gonna lose, deal with it. Yeah, Im going in a couple minutes, gonna hold my nose and vote for, well, against Obama, just vote yes on 46 and 50. At this point thats all I care about. If 46 passes, I might be able to survive the next 4 years.

Part of me would like to see the Dems have it all for a couple years so we can see how bad it will REALLY get. They are going to go too far then let the GOP take the house and senate back in 2 years and then maybe they will nominate a ****ing conservative for the first time in 28 years who will then win in a landslide over Obama.

Gonna have to get a second job just to heat our homes come winter of '09-'10.

[Drek]

I believe they are all up for re-election in two years. All House seats are elected for only two years.


Wake up. Get it right. So to speak.....Ha!


You really ought to read up on the Obama plans. Your ignorance on the issues shows....

Typical neocon.....
He doesn't want to be informed. I've made countless posts explaining in detail the veracity and sound fundamentals behind Obama's economic, energy, and health care plans but every time he suddenly slinks away from the thread only to pop up spreading the same FUD in another.

He's just too well programmed to actually think. Kinda like most of the die hard acolytes of the GOP we have on this board.

I bet its really going to leave a lot of them baffled when they're paying less taxes in a few years, our economy is rallying back strong, and we start seeing the early results of improved infrastructure, education, and health care.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I bet its really going to leave a lot of them baffled when they're paying less taxes in a few years, our economy is rallying back strong, and we start seeing the early results of improved infrastructure, education, and health care.

Either that, or they'll try to give Dim Son the credit - just like they tried to give Red Ink Ron credit for the Clinton economy.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Part of me would like to see the Dems have it all for a couple years so we can see how bad it will REALLY get.

Ha ha ha! Ha!

You mean the criminal POS you've been supporting these last eight years hasn't shown you enough yet?

[Spider]

Gooood day? Please tell me that means your hitting the road and will stop attacking anyone with a different viewpoint than your own. Please, tell me it's true, Drew...

no good day means class is over for you , I have gave you a valuable lesson .........

[gunns]

More people believe that Obama will lower taxes than believe McCain will.

Sounds like you may one of those uneducated people voting today. The latest poll I saw said 21% thought Obama would raise taxes, 8% thought McCain would and 55% thought they both would.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

They'd Vote For Satan if He Was a Republican (http://www.buzzflash.net/story.php?id=77776)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Democrat Barack Obama has solidified his base and picked up a majority of unaffiliated voters in Colorado, giving him a 5 percentage point lead over Republican John McCain, according to a new Denver Post poll.
(http://www.denverpost.com/nationalpolitics/ci_10875870)

[TailgateNut]

We need your help to keep this state Red... Please get out the vote to keep our country headed in the 'right' direction...


I do not want a socialistic government with a majority in the house, senate, and White House. Please help keep checks and balances to retain capitalisim.


EAT ME!:wiggle:

[Bronco X]

After this election it sure would be nice if wingnuts would actually find out what words like "socialism" mean before they use it.

[scttgrd]

Colorado is going blue this time, we have all seen where red got us.

[JCMElway]

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~lilyth/cartoon/mrdid.jpg

LABF, he doesn't even know what you're saying about his argument here. Sad, isn't it?

[baja]

I'm tired, I meant Senate seats. Fatigue + irritation at rude posters = mistakes. My bad.

Seems like that happens a lot with you but, like my ex wife, you are quick with the excuses.

[Garcia Bronco]

Seems like that happens a lot with you but, like my ex wife, you are quick with the excuses.

Did you every consider she really did have a headache? :P

[Mr.Meanie]

Did you every consider she really did have a headache? :P

Ha!

[enjolras]

More people believe that Obama will lower taxes than believe McCain will.

That's because for the vast majority of them he absolutely will. At least lower them more than under McCain. Independent analysis of both plans has shown this. There is a reason The Economist endorsed Obama. That is not a typically liberal friendly publication btw.

[Old Dude]

I'm kind of wondering about this checks and balances argument. For the past two years, we've had a republican president and a democratic congress.

How has that worked out so far?

Maybe it wouldn't be such a bad idea to let one party run things for awhile. At least things would get done faster.

[Garcia Bronco]

That's because for the vast majority of them he absolutely will. At least lower them more than under McCain. Independent analysis of both plans has shown this. There is a reason The Economist endorsed Obama. That is not a typically liberal friendly publication btw.

But you are only talking income tax, which is NOT the only tax we pay. A tax on business is a tax on the consumer. Plus if the Bush Tax cuts expire across the board you are talking about a tax hike. A tax on retirement accounts is a raising taxes on the people.

[rastaman]

Typical liberal voter intimidation tactics!

Nothing last forever. Colorado can't stay RED forever. Lets hope Colorado doesn't end up as a Florida 2000 or Ohio 2004.:thumbsup:

[rastaman]

Na, I now subscribe to the "liberal" WPR philosophy of never 'think' and post, for you might actually sound intelligent. If it works for you liberals, why not us conservatives? ???

Ummmmmmmm............deep thought and critical thinking is rarely if ever associated with conservatism ideology.

[Drek]

But you are only talking income tax, which is NOT the only tax we pay. A tax on business is a tax on the consumer. Plus if the Bush Tax cuts expire across the board you are talking about a tax hike. A tax on retirement accounts is a raising taxes on the people.

Prove it.

Every company that deserves to be in business is already pricing their products at the sweet spot where profit margin and quantity moved converges into maximum total profits.

They can't suddenly sell it for more expecting to still sell the same amount or to even make the same profits.

This is the disingenuous lie of Reaganomics. That somehow the variation in tax rates on the richest of the rich individuals and corporations trickles down to the rest of us. There is NO conclusive proof to this and there never has been. It is, as Bush Sr. called it, voodoo economics.

To make universal tax cuts truly feasible then spending must be pared down at a dollar for dollar rate. We have yet to see one of these "fiscal conservative" presidents, Reagan, Bush 41, or Bush 43 obey that fundamental truth. We have now just recently seen the negative impact of Reagan's accompanying deregulation philosophy as well and that is where we're seeing costs passed on to the middle class. To bail out banks and companies who couldn't hold their mindless greed in check enough to stay business savvy.

Just accept that EVERYTHING you've been fed spoonful after spoonful by the GOP since Nixon was a bald faced lie and the real world that we live in makes a hell of a lot more sense.

[Garcia Bronco]

Prove it.


Nope. I have ran businesses before, small and large, and this is how it works. Of course it's where the market will bare the rise in cost, but a tax on business gets passed to the consumer. It's a fact. Fuel goes up, we pass it on the the consumer. Labor costs go up, we pass it on to the consumer. Material costs go up we pass it on to the consumer. Governemnt passes SOX, which costs us millions in compliance, cost gets passed on to the consumer. It's the way of the world. Sorry.

We have not seen Reagans deregs do anything of the sort because you cannot escape the truth of the problem:

Government got involved in the first place.

Also: The President does not spend the money in this country. Congress does. The problem in this country goes back to FDR and congress at the time shifting too much power to the Executive Branch that people think the President is the root of our gains and ills. It's Congress.

[Garcia Bronco]

Ummmmmmmm............deep thought and critical thinking is rarely if ever associated with conservatism ideology.

Are you talking about fiscally? Let me ask you this rastsman. Let's say you make 100 dollars a month. Do you think it's wise to outpace that amount in your expenditures? I am asking you if you think it is proper or logical to spend more than you make. Do you think it's wise to live under that amount and even have a line in your personal budget to save money? If you answered yes, you are conservative on this issue. You are practicing conservation. There really isn't any deep thought required on this particular subject.

[SJ Bronco]

You repugs can't bug me today, it's a great day! all of San Jose has a spring in their step! Today we end the career of the worlds worst terrorist, George bush and the GOP!!:militia: Nyah! Nyah! Nyah! Nyah! Nyah! Nyah! Nyah! Nyah! Nyah!

[Garcia Bronco]

You repugs can't bug me today, it's a great day! all of San Jose has a spring in their step! Today we end the career of the worlds worst terrorist, George bush and the GOP!!:militia: Nyah! Nyah! Nyah! Nyah! Nyah! Nyah! Nyah! Nyah! Nyah!

Get a grip.

[SJ Bronco]

Get a grip.

NO! I'm not gonna be a good winner, I have waited 8 years for this, since I realized bush won in 2000 and was devastated. No, I'm gonna party like Raider fan on international BLVD after the AFC championship game....:thanku: !Booya! !Booya! !Booya! !Booya! !Booya! !Booya! !Booya! !Booya! !Booya!

[Mr.Meanie]

Nope. I have ran businesses before, small and large, and this is how it works. Of course it's where the market will bare the rise in cost, but a tax on business gets passed to the consumer. It's a fact. Fuel goes up, we pass it on the the consumer. Labor costs go up, we pass it on to the consumer. Material costs go up we pass it on to the consumer. Governemnt passes SOX, which costs us millions in compliance, cost gets passed on to the consumer. It's the way of the world. Sorry.

That's rather an oversimplification. In our business, as well as any business I've ever been involved in, the market is by far the biggest factor in how you price your goods.

For example... our business is based largely on fuel costs. As fuel costs go up we make less money. Alot of other businesses started raising their prices, and we were able to raise our prices and still stay competitive. Now that fuel costs are going down, we aren't lowering our prices. The only way we do that is if our competitors are forcing prices down and we are forced again to stay competitive. Commodity prices fluctuate alot and most retail pricing doesn't reflect the commodity prices exactly.

The same thing with taxes. If for some reason our taxes went through the roof, we would probably have to evaluate what our competitors were doing. If they raised their prices, we would be able to and keep our margins... if not we would have to cut costs somewhere to stay competitive.

Not every price increase trickles down the the consumer, just like not every price reduction trickles down. In most businesses its based on competition and what the consumer is willing to pay.

[TailgateNut]

You repugs can't bug me today, it's a great day! all of San Jose has a spring in their step! Today we end the career of the worlds worst terrorist, George bush and the GOP!!:militia: Nyah! Nyah! Nyah! Nyah! Nyah! Nyah! Nyah! Nyah! Nyah!


I woke up with a grin, and plan to party tonight as the results roll in.
Thanks to Dumbya,and a great democratic candidate, this should be a lock!

[Garcia Bronco]

NO! I'm not gonna be a good winner, I have waited 8 years for this, since I realized bush won in 2000 and was devastated. No, I'm gonna party like Raider fan on international BLVD after the AFC championship game....:thanku: !Booya! !Booya! !Booya! !Booya! !Booya! !Booya!

LOL. What exactly do you think your are going to win?

[BroncoInferno]

More people believe that Obama will lower taxes than believe McCain will. ???

That's because based on his proposal, he will makes taxes lower for the vast majority of Americans than will McCain.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html

Now, is it possible Obama will renege on this and raise taxes across the board? Sure. And if he does, he will be swept out of office in four years. Personally, I think he is too smart for that.

[SJ Bronco]

LOL. What exactly do you think your are going to win?
My civil rights, my neighbors houses, and their jobs, a better economy, better food, cleaner air....I could list A LOT of things baby!:thumbsup: :thumbs: :thanku: :thanku: :thanku: !Booya! !Booya! !Booya! !Booya!

[ScottXray]

Are you talking about fiscally? Let me ask you this rastsman. Let's say you make 100 dollars a month. Do you think it's wise to outpace that amount in your expenditures? I am asking you if you think it is proper or logical to spend more than you make. Do you think it's wise to live under that amount and even have a line in your personal budget to save money? If you answered yes, you are conservative on this issue. You are practicing conservation. There really isn't any deep thought required on this particular subject.

There is fiscal conservatism (what the republicans USED to be about and what you just mentioned) and other forms of political conservatism. Unfortunately the R party has been co-opted by a gang that CALLS themselves conservatives, and really is not in most ways (including fiscally).

I was a registered R until this year. I changed party affiliation so I could vote in the d primary. Ultimately I'm a moderate in most things, and staunchly in support of the constitution which the R administration has steadily worked to undermine for over 8 years. This is something I cannot compromise on. The executive branch needs to be reined in and have its powers put back in the proper limits. Congress needs to actually use its oversight responsibilities.

Although the Dems having control of all three branches is unsettling it is important to me that Obama is a constitutional law professor. I hope one of his first acts is to repeal many of W's executive orders and reinstate the force of LAW in this land. Also to reinvoke any provisions of law that have been bypassed by signing statements of W or Clinton, something that is completely illegal.

I want my democracy back.

[Garcia Bronco]

That's rather an oversimplification. In our business, as well as any business I've ever been involved in, the market is by far the biggest factor in how you price your goods.

For example... our business is based largely on fuel costs. As fuel costs go up we make less money. Alot of other businesses started raising their prices, and we were able to raise our prices and still stay competitive. Now that fuel costs are going down, we aren't lowering our prices. The only way we do that is if our competitors are forcing prices down and we are forced again to stay competitive. Commodity prices fluctuate alot and most retail pricing doesn't reflect the commodity prices exactly.

The same thing with taxes. If for some reason our taxes went through the roof, we would probably have to evaluate what our competitors were doing. If they raised their prices, we would be able to and keep our margins... if not we would have to cut costs somewhere to stay competitive.

Not every price increase trickles down the the consumer, just like not every price reduction trickles down. In most businesses its based on competition and what the consumer is willing to pay.

Like I said, it depends on what the market will bare. The flip side is business that cannot make up the difference in their product sales have to eliminate plans from their business assumptions. That might mean jobs, expansion, and product development. The bottom line is simple. Taxes on businesses do not help the consumer, they do not help the economy, and they only serve to make government bigger.

If we just made the Federal, State, and Local Governemnts live within a fixed budget by a flat tax across the board for consumers and businesses alike, then the Governemnt would have to live within that budget. There would be no more loopholes, deductions, and credits. Every tax payer would have the same vested interest and we could conclude this dishonest political practice of talking about raising so-so's taxes at the expense of someone else.

[Garcia Bronco]

There is fiscal conservatism (what the republicans USED to be about and what you just mentioned) and other forms of political conservatism. Unfortunately the R party has been co-opted by a gang that CALLS themselves conservatives, and really is not in most ways (including fiscally).

I was a registered R until this year. I changed party affiliation so I could vote in the d primary. Ultimately I'm a moderate in most things, and staunchly in support of the constitution which the R administration has steadily worked to undermine for over 8 years. This is something I cannot compromise on. The executive branch needs to be reined in and have its powers put back in the proper limits. Congress needs to actually use its oversight responsibilities.

Although the Dems having control of all three branches is unsettling it is important to me that Obama is a constitutional law professor. I hope one of his first acts is to repeal many of W's executive orders and reinstate the force of LAW in this land. Also to reinvoke any provisions of law that have been bypassed by signing statements of W or Clinton, something that is completely illegal.

I want my democracy back.

The republic will persist, and while I agree with much of what you posted, Obama isn't going to do any of that.

Obama was never a constitutional law "professor". He was a lecturer. It's also obvious by is voting record as a state senator that he does not believe in all of the Constitution. Especially the second amendment. He uses words like "economic justice" which is very much anti-constitution with regard to property rights. He supports MADD laws that are anti-4th amendment. While he knows the Constitution, I don't think anyone can say that he'll follow it with any reasonalbe reliability.

[Garcia Bronco]

My civil rights, my neighbors houses, and their jobs, a better economy, better food, cleaner air....I could list A LOT of things baby!:thumbsup: :thumbs: :thanku: :thanku: :thanku: !Booya! !Booya! !Booya! !Booya!

-Your civil rights will be the same
-Better food is a personal choice and has nothing to do with the President
-Your neighbors houses and thier jobs? WiTHeck are you talking about?
-Unless you are moving away from California your air quality will not get better.

[Garcia Bronco]

That's because based on his proposal, he will makes taxes lower for the vast majority of Americans than will McCain.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html

Now, is it possible Obama will renege on this and raise taxes across the board? Sure. And if he does, he will be swept out of office in four years. Personally, I think he is too smart for that.

If Congress allows the Bush Tax cuts to expire across the board Congress and he will have raised taxes. And no one who voted for them will care. Bank on it.

[Paladin]

To me, this election is:

A referendum on Bush/Cheaney and the corporate lackeys and the culture of corruption around them;

An affirmation of the Constitution and the civil rights of all Americans;

The recognition of the plight of the Middle Class and the knowledge that without them, the Nation goes to hell;

The end of the war in Iraq and the redirection of efforts in Afghanistan;

The hope for honesty in Government and the end of the slimy, grimy repugnicans' dirty tricks.

I have a lot to celebrate if Obama wins. The money stuff is not much different from now, no matter how you cut it.

[TailgateNut]

To me, this election is:

A referendum on Bush/Cheaney and the corporate lackeys and the culture of corruption around them;

An affirmation of the Constitution and the civil rights of all Americans;

The recognition of the plight of the Middle Class and the knowledge that without them, the Nation goes to hell;

The end of the war in Iraq and the redirection of efforts in Afghanistan;

The hope for honesty in Government and the end of the slimy, grimy repugnicans' dirty tricks.

I have a lot to celebrate if Obama wins. The money stuff is not much different from now, no matter how you cut it.

You forgot: Having a person with a functional brain in the WH.

[enjolras]

Obama was never a constitutional law "professor".

Semantics.

Obama's role certainly fit the common definition of 'professor'. Almost none of the folks teaching in college are 'professors'. That's a title that is reserved for very senior members of the faculty. My wife has a PhD in accounting and is full time accounting faculty. She is a 'lecturer'.... doesn't make her any less of an expert in her field. She has a couple of decades to go before she'll make full professor status.

[SJ Bronco]

-Your civil rights will be the same
-Better food is a personal choice and has nothing to do with the President
-Your neighbors houses and thier jobs? WiTHeck are you talking about?
-Unless you are moving away from California your air quality will not get better.

-Wrong, Bush has suppressed the civil rights of many Americans, and if you suppress one of us, you suppress all of us!!!

-Wrong, Republicans have fought against tighter regulations on our food and imports leading to mass outbreaks, recalls and sickness. (cali, vote yes on prop 2)

-Wrong, Republicans fight global warming initiatives and RND and funding for alternative fuel sources, as well as small tax increases to increase public transportation. They also fight against tighter restrictions on air quality standards and dumping from big business. (if you've ever been to Milpitas, you'd know what i was talking about...):welcome:

[Garcia Bronco]

-Wrong, Bush has suppressed the civil rights of many Americans, and if you suppress one of us, you suppress all of us!!!

-Wrong, Republicans have fought against tighter regulations on our food and imports leading to mass outbreaks, recalls and sickness. (cali, vote yes on prop 2)

-Wrong, Republicans fight global warming initiatives and RND and funding for alternative fuel sources, as well as small tax increases to increase public transportation. They also fight against tighter restrictions on air quality standards and dumping from big business. (if you've ever been to Milpitas, you'd know what i was talking about...):welcome:

-No ones civil rights have been supressed in anyway that will be any different 4 years from now.

-No they have not. I will agree that the FDA has done a terrible job recently, but you still have clean food options and you always have.

-Republicans have fought "GOVERNMENT" funding for biofuels. They, and this may sound crazy, expect private citizens to delveop these lines of business. You air quality in california will not change. It's been bad since the 60's.

[Garcia Bronco]

Semantics.

Obama's role certainly fit the common definition of 'professor'. Almost none of the folks teaching in college are 'professors'. That's a title that is reserved for very senior members of the faculty. My wife has a PhD in accounting and is full time accounting faculty. She is a 'lecturer'.... doesn't make her any less of an expert in her field. She has a couple of decades to go before she'll make full professor status.

You call it semantics, yet go on to define it's difference. Your wife for example may have a PhD, but she does not have the title of Professor and there is a difference.

[Spider]

For example... our business is based largely on fuel costs. As fuel costs go up we make less money. Alot of other businesses started raising their prices, and we were able to raise our prices and still stay competitive. Now that fuel costs are going down, we aren't lowering our prices. The only way we do that is if our competitors are forcing prices down and we are forced again to stay competitive. Commodity prices fluctuate alot and most retail pricing doesn't reflect the commodity prices exactly.
.

Finally someone in the real world , instead of these educated boy wonders around here ......... this concept is completely lost on alot of people and W*GS ........ As a trucker , I have seen first hand the damage high fuel prices have brought .........

[jsco70]

We need your help to keep this state Red... Please get out the vote to keep our country headed in the 'right' direction...


I do not want a socialistic government with a majority in the house, senate, and White House. Please help keep checks and balances to retain capitalisim.


No.

[rmsanger]

Bump... You've got about 4 more hours to get out the vote for McCain... Mac is Back!!!!

Remember all you demmys that you will have the house and congress, please consider the benefit of having 2 parties in control of seperate branches of the government.

McCain is famous for working across the isle to seek consensus for the good of America. He went on liberal tv shows when no one else would (Daily Show / Bill Mahr).

Conservatism, less spending, balanced budgets is a good approach to government. Stop focusing on Iraq, in the grand scheme of things it is just a war and will not define our culture. Our economy is the primary driver of our society.

Vote "America First" and keep us heading in the "right" direction.

[TailgateNut]

Bump... You've got about 4 more hours to get out the vote for McCain... Mac is Back!!!!

Remember all you demmys that you will have the house and congress, please consider the benefit of having 2 parties in control of seperate branches of the government.

McCain is famous for working across the isle to seek consensus for the good of America. He went on liberal tv shows when no one else would (Daily Show / Bill Mahr).

Conservatism, less spending, balanced budgets is a good approach to government. Stop focusing on Iraq, in the grand scheme of things it is just a war and will not define our culture. Our economy is the primary driver of our society.

Vote "America First" and keep us heading in the "right" direction.

Go suck McCains' righty nut!

[theAPAOps5]

**** that Sellout hack McCain. Get out and vote ANYONE BUT McCAIN. He will sink this country to levels not imagined.

Remember this two faced shmuck wants to help people get out of foreclosures with funds and refinancing. Yeah thats not a socialist.

Just look at the world views and all of them are hoping to get rid of the war monger arrogant Repbulicans. You know what to do folks.

[rmsanger]

**** that Sellout hack McCain. Get out and vote ANYONE BUT McCAIN. He will sink this country to levels not imagined.

Remember this two faced shmuck wants to help people get out of foreclosures with funds and refinancing. Yeah thats not a socialist.

Just look at the world views and all of them are hoping to get rid of the war monger arrogant Repbulicans. You know what to do folks.

It is a much better future with Mac is president... BO is just going to stink up the place. We might as well be re-named Mother Russia if he wins. Good god the Nanci Pelosi's and Reeds of the world will drive this country into the gound.

[BroncoInferno]

It is a much better future with Mac is president... BO is just going to stink up the place. We might as well be re-named Mother Russia if he wins. Good god the Nanci Pelosi's and Reeds of the world will drive this country into the gound.

Newsflash, genius: Bush and the Republicans already drove the country into the ground the last 8 years. Fortunately, a tow truck is on the way.

[Paladin]

It is a much better future with Mac is president... BO is just going to stink up the place. We might as well be re-named Mother Russia if he wins. Good god the Nanci Pelosi's and Reeds of the world will drive this country into the gound.

That's a crock of BS. I wouldn't vote for McCain if he were running for manager of the "Worst Little Hor'ouse in Texas".......

With Palin in reserve? Not a chance in my my lifetime. That SOB would never get us out of Iraq, and would likely want to send a few troops into Iran. Maybe even bomb North Korea (although I have no regards for that country at all). He is a warmongering bustard. Nope. I say, Nope.

[theAPAOps5]

It is a much better future with Mac is president... BO is just going to stink up the place. We might as well be re-named Mother Russia if he wins. Good god the Nanci Pelosi's and Reeds of the world will drive this country into the gound.

No actually its not despite what Rush tells you. Just look at how the world is watching hoping to have a new direction. One of tolerance and imrpoved foreign policy rahter than strong arm tactics.

If you Love your Country you will vote ANYONE but McCain.

[rmsanger]

No actually its not despite what Rush tells you. Just look at how the world is watching hoping to have a new direction. One of tolerance and imrpoved foreign policy rahter than strong arm tactics.

If you Love your Country you will vote ANYONE but McCain.


Hope... Change... Hope... Change... Hope ... Change...

Socialized medicine, redistribution of wealth, increased government, decrease is private enterprises are not changes I hope for...

[Spider]

ladies and Gentleman ....... we will be an Obamanation ;D
Bout damn time we got a democrat in office ........... good times baby .......

[rmsanger]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCeD1RcJjAg

[theAPAOps5]

Hope... Change... Hope... Change... Hope ... Change...

Socialized medicine, redistribution of wealth, increased government, decrease is private enterprises are not changes I hope for...

Well than you should be angry as hell that Bush and his buddy McCain started socializing this country with their failed economic policy and subsequent bank bailout. Heck we all own our neihbors bad debt. Thats socialism already. Guess you want more of that!

[BroncoInferno]

Well than you should be angry as hell that Bush and his buddy McCain started socializing this country with their failed economic policy and subsequent bank bailout. Heck we all own our neihbors bad debt. Thats socialism already. Guess you want more of that!

Don't forget Medicare. This idiot doesn't realize that Bush and the Republicans have expanded gov't more than any administration since FDR.

[rmsanger]

Don't forget Medicare. This idiot doesn't realize that Bush and the Republicans have expanded gov't more than any administration since FDR.

True, I do not like Bush and did vote for Gore & Kerry... It's still not an excuse to continue solcializing our society...

[BroncoInferno]

True, I do not like Bush and did vote for Gore & Kerry... It's still not an excuse to continue solcializing our society...

Obama's tax proposal takes the rates of the top 5% back to essentially what they were under Reagan. Everyone else gets a bigger cut than they would get under McCain. I guess Reagan was a socialist?

[rmsanger]

Obama's tax proposal takes the rates of the top 5% back to essentially what they were under Reagan. Everyone else gets a bigger cut than they would get under McCain. I guess Reagan was a socialist?

That is a 1 year plan for 2010... It's a general philosophy that demms will increase taxes beyond 2010... a dominating majority of their party who's most radical members will be president, and senate majority leader/whip is not healthy for America.

[Paladin]

True, I do not like Bush and did vote for Gore & Kerry... It's still not an excuse to continue solcializing our society...

You dumb sh*st. You are already there!!!!!!!! You have been ever since the Progressive income tax was first enacted. Since Roosevelt created Parks. Since Ike built the Interstate.

Jeezus. Stop being so stupid.

[BroncoInferno]

That is a 1 year plan for 2010... It's a general philosophy that demms will increase taxes beyond 2010... a dominating majority of their party who's most radical members will be president, and senate majority leader/whip is not healthy for America.

And your evidence that they will raise taxes beyond 2010 is...?

[rmsanger]

And your evidence that they will raise taxes beyond 2010 is...?

They've got to pay for all of his handouts and social program promises somehow... God knows the chinese won't be looking to buy our debt...

:rofl:

[rmsanger]

ha ha ha... wonder with Chris has to say now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsUDR4P28qg

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Obama's tax proposal takes the rates of the top 5% back to essentially what they were under Reagan. Everyone else gets a bigger cut than they would get under McCain. I guess Reagan was a socialist?

:laugh:

According to the metric these ignoramuses are using to brand Obama as a socialist, Eisenhower, Nixon, and Ford were flaming Marxists.

[tnedator]

no good day means class is over for you , I have gave you a valuable lesson .........

Spider, the only lesson I have yet to learn from you is how to treat others with a total lack of respect. I know that's your shtick, so each to their own.

[tnedator]

Seems like that happens a lot with you but, like my ex wife, you are quick with the excuses.

It might seem like it happens a 'lot' with me, because unlike some people on this forum (find a mirror, bud), I am willing to admit when I make a mistake. I am not God, I am fallible.

[theAPAOps5]

I would like to thank Colorado residents. They made this state proud. They finally said enought to the arrogant war mongering policy of the Republicans and stood up and chose their president for change.

Good job all its a great time to be an American again.

[Spider]

Spider, the only lesson I have yet to learn from you is how to treat others with a total lack of respect. I know that's your shtick, so each to their own.

not my fault you are a slow learner ........but regardless , Junior is gone....Fuel prices are down ......I dont have much to be angry about any more ..... My country is off to a great start on fixing this mess .......

[tnedator]

not my fault you are a slow learner ........but regardless , Junior is gone....Fuel prices are down ......I dont have much to be angry about any more ..... My country is off to a great start on fixing this mess .......

Newsflash, fuel is down because the economy is in the dumper and people aren't driving. The triple A stats have been showing a decrease in driving for a while now, as prices went up.

As to 'learning', even if you have a good message to share here or there (hard to tell), it gets lost in your attempt to be an internet thug at every opportunity.

[Spider]

Newsflash, fuel is down because the economy is in the dumper and people aren't driving. The triple A stats have been showing a decrease in driving for a while now, as prices went up.

As to 'learning', even if you have a good message to share here or there (hard to tell), it gets lost in your attempt to be an internet thug at every opportunity.

LOL , I imagined your board is in full melt down mode , but closing the enron loophole did more then people not driving goof , trucks still moved , 200-300 gallon fill ups ..... ROFL! ...... And you slam me for being a bully ? the same guy that bans people ? for a different point of view ? dont give me that abusing other posters crap cause didnt do that the last time ...... hypocritical little bastard ....you cant ban me here Tned , you have no more power here then I do , but you can put me on ignore , yet you choose to keep answering me .......... I suggest you take your ass back to your own board , where you are protected and respected ....... Here is where the big boys play , your mods cant cover your ass here junior

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LOL , I imagined your board is in full melt down mode....

;D

I was thinking about going over there to take a peek, but the wingnuts on this board are providing plenty of bang for the entertainment buck.

[Drek]

That is a 1 year plan for 2010... It's a general philosophy that demms will increase taxes beyond 2010... a dominating majority of their party who's most radical members will be president, and senate majority leader/whip is not healthy for America.

Obama's tax rates are part of his 10 YEAR TAX PROPOSAL.

So when was he going to raise them, 2019 when he's been out of office for several years?

[tnedator]

LOL , I imagined your board is in full melt down mode , but closing the enron loophole did more then people not driving goof , trucks still moved , 200-300 gallon fill ups ..... ROFL! ...... And you slam me for being a bully ? the same guy that bans people ? for a different point of view ? dont give me that abusing other posters crap cause didnt do that the last time ...... hypocritical little bastard ....you cant ban me here Tned , you have no more power here then I do , but you can put me on ignore , yet you choose to keep answering me .......... I suggest you take your ass back to your own board , where you are protected and respected ....... Here is where the big boys play , your mods cant cover your ass here junior

I suggest you stop making suggestions and get over getting banned. Old news, stop crying over it ;)

AS to the Enron loop, do you even know what that means? Said in a better way, what do you MEAN by that? What does that have to do with oil?

Over-reaction to Enron has lead to companies spending millions of dollars on an ill defined clause in an act (SOX 404, as it is called), and has sprung up an entire industry of consultants aimed at trying to 'interpret' Sox 404 and tell companies what they need to do. I don't see how any of that effects oil prices.

As to the financial crisis, the whole FABS change that took place the first of the year, was an over-reaction to some bad sub-prime loans, and an attempt to prevent another Enron, so instead, they bankrupt solid companies with some ill conceived plan.

So, once again, what is the 'Enron loophole' you refer to?

and, how EXACTLY did it lower oil prices?

I am genuinly curious to your answer.

[Spider]

I suggest you stop making suggestions and get over getting banned. Old news, stop crying over it ;)

AS to the Enron loop, do you even know what that means? Said in a better way, what do you MEAN by that? What does that have to do with oil?

Over-reaction to Enron has lead to companies spending millions of dollars on an ill defined clause in an act (SOX 404, as it is called), and has sprung up an entire industry of consultants aimed at trying to 'interpret' Sox 404 and tell companies what they need to do. I don't see how any of that effects oil prices.

As to the financial crisis, the whole FABS change that took place the first of the year, was an over-reaction to some bad sub-prime loans, and an attempt to prevent another Enron, so instead, they bankrupt solid companies with some ill conceived plan.

So, once again, what is the 'Enron loophole' you refer to?

and, how EXACTLY did it lower oil prices?

I am genuinly curious to your answer.

well a long story short ..... Oil was traded like every thing else , then Bush created a special panel , to look into oil trading they came up with the Enron loophole , in short allowed Speculators to buy cheap corner a market , then sell high .... more complex then that , but thats the jist of it

[tnedator]

well a long story short ..... Oil was traded like every thing else , then Bush created a special panel , to look into oil trading they came up with the Enron loophole , in short allowed Speculators to buy cheap corner a market , then sell high .... more complex then that , but thats the jist of it

Ok, so this relates to oil speculation (which seems to be most of the trading in oil -- dollar hedging and stuff). When did the "enron loop" get closed?

You said that closing the Enron Loophole did more than the millions of fewer miles driven. When did this loophole get closed? Your saying there is no longer speculation in the oil market?

These are serious questions, becuse if this has happened in the last few months, I have clearly missed it.

[Spider]

Ok, so this relates to oil speculation (which seems to be most of the trading in oil -- dollar hedging and stuff). When did the "enron loop" get closed?

You said that closing the Enron Loophole did more than the millions of fewer miles driven. When did this loophole get closed? Your saying there is no longer speculation in the oil market?

These are serious questions, becuse if this has happened in the last few months, I have clearly missed it.
the enron loophole was created in 2000 rolling blackouts in cali ring a bell ?
June 24 th of 2008 , it was completely closed , but enforcing has been a tad bit slow , and the speculators are now using a SWAPS loophole ......there is speculation but it is monitored

[tnedator]

the enron loophole was created in 2000 rolling blackouts in cali ring a bell ?
June 24 th of 2008 , it was completely closed , but enforcing has been a tad bit slow , and the speculators are now using a SWAPS loophole ......there is speculation but it is monitored

Gotcha. Thanks for the explanation. I knew that speculation was a huge part of the problem with oil prices (pure speculation on oil, but also using it to hedge the dollar and as a currency play) but had never looked into it far enough to know about the "enron loophole".

While a bit off topic, and while I didn't "bite" at your jab in another thread, while you and I disagreed on some discussions about the difference between a drill ship and rig (semantics) and about current leases for drilling vs. new ones, I have never believed in the peak oil theory, nor promoted it on any forum.

Anyway, thanks again for the explanation.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Memo to RNC Spam Monkey:

You lost.

Get over it.