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broncofan2438
11-02-2008, 05:28 PM
He makes bad decisions....bring in someone else

richpjr
11-02-2008, 05:28 PM
Someone creating a thread like this was inevitable. The knock against him in college was always his decision making...

Cmac821
11-02-2008, 05:29 PM
7 yards rushing!

That doesn't help his cause.

mosca
11-02-2008, 05:30 PM
Bring back Plummer! :P

broncofan7
11-02-2008, 05:32 PM
He makes bad decisions....bring in someone else

Let's run the Delaware wing -T!

broncofan2438
11-02-2008, 05:32 PM
We look worse than Washington vs. USC

go_broncos
11-02-2008, 05:32 PM
he is looking like a Grossman..

He threw 3 interceptions today and yet people start blaming our defense.

Bronx33
11-02-2008, 05:32 PM
zero patience iam going to guess.

oubronco
11-02-2008, 05:35 PM
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ScottXray
11-02-2008, 05:35 PM
The first pick is on miscommunication with Stokely. the second/third was on Cutler but the second was a LB underneath..(Cutler does have a tendency to not SEE the under coverage). And the third was another good defensive play.

Too bad WE don't have any D backs like that, or LBs that can cover.

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11-02-2008, 05:36 PM
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11-02-2008, 05:36 PM
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broncofan2438
11-02-2008, 05:37 PM
anyone want to buy some Denver suff? I am selling everything

Dagmar
11-02-2008, 05:38 PM
anyone want to buy some Denver suff? I am selling everything

I hope you are hit by a car.

oubronco
11-02-2008, 05:38 PM
Arnold Says

TDmvp
11-02-2008, 05:38 PM
I hope you are hit by a car.

I'm a big fan of sarcasm


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PRBronco
11-02-2008, 05:39 PM
anyone want to buy some Denver suff? I am selling everything

Haha, man, I can't believe you stayed here after the Foneco incident. Which you followed up with "trade Champ" if i'm not mistaken. Now this. I think you're right, go cheer for someone else.

Meck77
11-02-2008, 05:39 PM
anyone want to buy some Denver suff? I am selling everything

Sure what do you have? And what's the total price on the package. I'm ready to pay pal if it's a good deal.

The MVPlaya
11-02-2008, 05:40 PM
Peyton Manning isn't having the greatest season either, you guys need to calm down.

Cutler is still ahead of the game for being in his 3rd season...

If you were drafting for a franchise, LONG-TERM, where would you rate Jay?

Some of you people need to get on another wagon.

broncofan2438
11-02-2008, 05:41 PM
Sure what do you have? And what's the total price on the package. I'm ready to pay pal if it's a good deal.

I have a lot of good stuff, really!

broncofan2438
11-02-2008, 05:42 PM
Haha, man, I can't believe you stayed here after the Foneco incident. Which you followed up with "trade Champ" if i'm not mistaken. Now this. I think you're right, go cheer for someone else.

I never said trade champ, moron!

oubronco
11-02-2008, 05:42 PM
Sure what do you have? And what's the total price on the package. I'm ready to pay pal if it's a good deal.

HELL YEEEAH

NYBronco
11-02-2008, 05:42 PM
The tight coverage on Marshall allowed the Denver offense to find Hillis.

Meck77
11-02-2008, 05:42 PM
I have a lot of good stuff, really!

Pm me the list. I want to catch you at your biggest moment of weakness. ;D

Hang in there 2438...hang in there

cabronco
11-02-2008, 05:43 PM
anyone want to buy some Denver suff? I am selling everything

Call the whaaaambulance. :Whaaaa!:

broncogary
11-02-2008, 05:43 PM
Let's face it, Cutler looked like he had lost all confidence at the start of the game. He looked a little bit better in the second quarter and second half.

oubronco
11-02-2008, 05:43 PM
I have a lot of good stuff, really!

whatcha got? hook a brotha up homie

lex
11-02-2008, 05:45 PM
I think he may have taken a huge step today. Even though we lost and his mistakes early killed us, as the game unfolded he started looking for other WRs and stopped forcing it to Marshall. He needed to go through this.

ScottXray
11-02-2008, 05:49 PM
Cutler was winging it at the end of the game...the Marshall drop in the end zone Hurt, but it wouldn't have won the game.

Jay was still slinging it, but the coverage was just too good and tight.

He's not afraid to try and make a play, even when he should be.

Overall, the 3 picks hurt, but the offenses inability to get the run game going is what was the biggest problem. Aany kind of game at all and the game would have gone our way.

Kudos to the Miami D....maybe we can steal THEIR d-coordinator after this year.

bloodsunday
11-02-2008, 05:55 PM
Our WRs suddenly cannot get open. It may have something to do with the fact that WE CANNOT RUN THE BALL! Big Ben threw 4 picks last week when they couldn't run the ball.

That said, his decision making is still pretty poor.

Los Broncos
11-02-2008, 05:58 PM
He just didn't make some good decisions, it happens some times, he'll be ok.

broncofan2438
11-02-2008, 06:00 PM
He just didn't make some good decisions, it happens some times, he'll be ok.

HAHAHAHA, thats what I have been telling myself as well! This team is going nowhere but the garbage

fontaine
11-02-2008, 06:06 PM
Look the game was on his arm when it was clear we couldn't do squat in the running game.

What did you expect to happen? Jay to checkdown to five yard dumpoffs when we were behind or throw the ball away, take the punt and rely on our steel curtain defense to get the ball back? Sh*t, for most of the game we were facing third and long.

:spit: ROFL!

broncofan2438
11-02-2008, 06:07 PM
uh, uh, uh is it time for Shanny to go?

Rock Chalk
11-02-2008, 06:08 PM
7 yards rushing!

That doesn't help his cause.

That explains his third pick but not his first two. They were early in the game and were just horrible decisions on his part.

broncofan2438
11-02-2008, 06:09 PM
DO you think Cutler smoked a bowl after the game?

Rock Chalk
11-02-2008, 06:10 PM
Look the game was on his arm when it was clear we couldn't do squat in the running game.

What did you expect to happen? Jay to checkdown to five yard dumpoffs when we were behind or throw the ball away, take the punt and rely on our steel curtain defense to get the ball back? Sh*t, for most of the game we were facing third and long.

:spit: ROFL!

So the game was on his arm on the first series and the second series when we were tied and down by a field goal and had not run enough plays to know whether or not our run game was going to suck all day long?

The first two picks are what killed us from the start. This team is not going to come from behind this year. Its too young, too inexperienced and too undisciplined.

Cutler ****ed us from the beginnning of this game. That being said, he doesnt suck. He just needs two more years of learning how to be an NFL QB.

DeusExManning
11-02-2008, 06:11 PM
I have been a huge unconditional Jay Cutler fan, but he has thrown too many bad throws at the worst possible time. I agree. If we do not see improvement after next year, we need to start over.

DeusExManning
11-02-2008, 06:12 PM
uh, uh, uh is it time for Shanny to go?

Possibly

Bob's your Information Minister
11-02-2008, 06:12 PM
Brodie Croyle will soon be available...

broncofan2438
11-02-2008, 06:15 PM
Brodie Croyle will soon be available...

Nice, we should trade Cutlless for him

Popps
11-02-2008, 06:17 PM
Cutler's skill-set is fine.... but he's got a long way to go before he's a leader. He carries himself poorly at times. He looks sluggish in his demeanor and just plain plays sloppy football on a pretty regular basis.

I love the guy and his potential, he's just got a way to go. Pennington has about 1/10th of Cutler's skills and you can just watch him out there leading his team and understand why guys follow him.

Jay probably got by in college on his arm alone. College is over and it's time to become a franchise QB.

I believe he'll get there.

lex
11-02-2008, 06:19 PM
I have been a huge unconditional Jay Cutler fan, but he has thrown too many bad throws at the worst possible time. I agree. If we do not see improvement after next year, we need to start over.
I disagree. We need to fix the running game. Much of our offseason moves were aimed at giving Jay help in the passing game but little was done to help the running game. They need to not put it all at Jays feet.

bloodsunday
11-02-2008, 06:21 PM
Come on guys, football is still a team game. When their teams don't run the ball great players like both Manning bros, Big Ben, and David Garrard look awful. It's very difficult to play QB in this league with zero threat of a run game. Everything we do on offense is based on running the ball and when it doesn't work, the windows to throw the ball look smaller than a catcher's mit.

Bolts_Rule_AFC_West
11-02-2008, 06:23 PM
Cutler's skill-set is fine.... but he's got a long way to go before he's a leader. He carries himself poorly at times. He looks sluggish in his demeanor and just plain plays sloppy football on a pretty regular basis.

I love the guy and his potential, he's just got a way to go. Pennington has about 1/10th of Cutler's skills and you can just watch him out there leading his team and understand why guys follow him.

Jay probably got by in college on his arm alone. College is over and it's time to become a franchise QB.
Sorry - I know you guys are down - so I hate to pile on, but this is the truth about Jay. If I were a Bronco fan, I would be really down on the way he carries himself in times of frustration/pressure. Winners shake it off and keep their heads up. Can Jay force himself to fix this issue? That's a major concern IMO.

lex
11-02-2008, 06:24 PM
Come on guys, football is still a team game. When their teams don't run the ball great players like both Manning bros, Big Ben, and David Garrard look awful. It's very difficult to play QB in this league with zero threat of a run game. Everything we do on offense is based on running the ball and when it doesn't work, the windows to throw the ball look smaller than a catcher's mit.
Except for the fact that our personnel decisions were geared at improving the pass, while we've been trying to get by on low round draft picks to make our running game work.

lod01
11-02-2008, 06:31 PM
The only thing separating Cutler from 3rd string hacks is his cannon arm. Will someone tell this guy to quit staring down his receivers? It's not that damn hard and it is blatantly obvious. The Defenses have caught on to him. He rarely looks around for a 2nd option. He would rather try and stuff the ball in a tight spot. Until that changes, he's won't take the next step.

Casper Bronco
11-02-2008, 06:45 PM
Sorry - I know you guys are down - so I hate to pile on, but this is the truth about Jay. If I were a Bronco fan, I would be really down on the way he carries himself in times of frustration/pressure. Winners shake it off and keep their heads up. Can Jay force himself to fix this issue? That's a major concern IMO.

How do you feel about Philis?

oubronco
11-02-2008, 07:17 PM
Nice, we should trade Cutlless for him.

Captain 'Dre
11-02-2008, 07:18 PM
If it was just his play on the field, I've have more confidence that Jay's just going thru some growing pains...

But his post-game press conferences are EMBARRASSING.

His mopey "I don't know, you tell me" attitude can't possibly sit well with the rest of the team.

I don't want to believe that Jay's a putz, but...

Circle Orange
11-02-2008, 07:23 PM
Check out ESPN gameday postgame for some interesting comments regarding Jay. I'm kind of paraphrasing here, but

TJ said he thought Cutler was regressing anyway. He mentioned how another qb (whose name shall not be said) could always be relied on in situations when things weren't ideal. TJ also wondered about possible self induced pressure.

Trent Dilfer said the broncs mistake was just telling Jay, "here's the offense, just throw it anywhere you want wide open." says its a mistake that qbs have to have a sense of the game.

The other host suggested jay made pressure on himself with his cocky comments, thinking having a strong arm is enough (so "f" it, I'm gonna throw). And that really, what's Jay done to earn the freedom of just winging it everywhere regardless? Respect is earned on the field through time.

Anyway, check it out. I thought their analysis was pretty accurate.

Meck77
11-02-2008, 07:32 PM
Nice teets.

loborugger
11-02-2008, 07:34 PM
Please, PLEASE, PLEASE, Circle... get a new Avatar!

Boltjolt
11-02-2008, 07:34 PM
How do you feel about Philis?

He is'nt like that.

Again, it was Jay running his trap in that game even while the game was out of hand but Rivers got caught saying "atta baby" to him. Rivers hasnt done one thing like that at all this year while Jay is telling the media how he is better than Elway :thumbsup:

Rank&File
11-02-2008, 07:34 PM
yeah what the **** are those?

Boltjolt
11-02-2008, 07:37 PM
Check out ESPN gameday postgame for some interesting comments regarding Jay. I'm kind of paraphrasing here, but

TJ said he thought Cutler was regressing anyway. He mentioned how another qb (whose name shall not be said) could always be relied on in situations when things weren't ideal. TJ also wondered about possible self induced pressure.

Trent Dilfer said the broncs mistake was just telling Jay, "here's the offense, just throw it anywhere you want wide open." says its a mistake that qbs have to have a sense of the game.

The other host suggested jay made pressure on himself with his cocky comments, thinking having a strong arm is enough (so "f" it, I'm gonna throw). And that really, what's Jay done to earn the freedom of just winging it everywhere regardless? Respect is earned on the field through time.

Anyway, check it out. I thought their analysis was pretty accurate.

Your avatar is REALLY disturbing ugh!~

azbroncfan
11-02-2008, 07:38 PM
Cutler doesn't suck he just isn't playing well and is a TO machine. Good thing is he has some time to get it worked out. As Jay goes so does the team and he isn't playing well and guess what niether is the team.

Sassy
11-02-2008, 07:38 PM
Your avatar is REALLY disturbing ugh!~

So is yours! :P

Boltjolt
11-02-2008, 07:41 PM
So is yours! :P

C-mon now, which one would you rather look at ?
That's just nasty :holyguac!

Malcontent
11-02-2008, 07:42 PM
Check out ESPN gameday postgame for some interesting comments regarding Jay. I'm kind of paraphrasing here, but

TJ said he thought Cutler was regressing anyway. He mentioned how another qb (whose name shall not be said) could always be relied on in situations when things weren't ideal. TJ also wondered about possible self induced pressure.

Trent Dilfer said the broncs mistake was just telling Jay, "here's the offense, just throw it anywhere you want wide open." says its a mistake that qbs have to have a sense of the game.

The other host suggested jay made pressure on himself with his cocky comments, thinking having a strong arm is enough (so "f" it, I'm gonna throw). And that really, what's Jay done to earn the freedom of just winging it everywhere regardless? Respect is earned on the field through time.

Anyway, check it out. I thought their analysis was pretty accurate.

Drop that stupid avatar you clown!

rovolution
11-02-2008, 07:44 PM
Check out ESPN gameday postgame for some interesting comments regarding Jay. I'm kind of paraphrasing here, but

TJ said he thought Cutler was regressing anyway. He mentioned how another qb (whose name shall not be said) could always be relied on in situations when things weren't ideal. TJ also wondered about possible self induced pressure.

Trent Dilfer said the broncs mistake was just telling Jay, "here's the offense, just throw it anywhere you want wide open." says its a mistake that qbs have to have a sense of the game.

The other host suggested jay made pressure on himself with his cocky comments, thinking having a strong arm is enough (so "f" it, I'm gonna throw). And that really, what's Jay done to earn the freedom of just winging it everywhere regardless? Respect is earned on the field through time.

Anyway, check it out. I thought their analysis was pretty accurate.

i had to read your post as a quote. that avatar is borderline pornographic dude

Circle Orange
11-02-2008, 07:45 PM
Drop that stupid avatar you clown!

Now, be nice...
What's wrong? It's just a man standing there. Granted, he's a little out of shape. You clearly don't know my mission. Meanwhile, check out the post game comments on ESPN.

Malcontent
11-02-2008, 07:52 PM
Now, be nice...
What's wrong? It's just a man standing there. Granted, he's a little out of shape. You clearly don't know my mission. Meanwhile, check out the post game comments on ESPN.

Ohhh...ok. My bad. I thought you were looking for motivation to start the Richard Simmons home workout planROFL!

Hogan11
11-02-2008, 07:54 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=1851&dateline=1225679201

What the hell is that? Chris Berman with his shirt off??

Sassy
11-02-2008, 07:56 PM
C-mon now, which one would you rather look at ?
That's just nasty :holyguac!

They both hurt my eyes ;D

Miss I.
11-02-2008, 08:00 PM
I have to admit Circle the avatar freaked me out, but let me hazard a guess on your reason. Is this lovely lad and his freakishly hairy manboobs perhaps a response to the overabundance of mammaries bouncing and still shots seen in the guy's avatars and signatures?

Finger Roll
11-02-2008, 08:06 PM
I think that Avatar is hilarious. Keep it

DeusExManning
11-02-2008, 08:08 PM
I think that Avatar is hilarious. Keep it

I am speaking from personal experience. Change it immediately or you will be banned from having an avatar as I was.

Popps
11-02-2008, 08:18 PM
Sorry - I know you guys are down - so I hate to pile on, but this is the truth about Jay. If I were a Bronco fan, I would be really down on the way he carries himself in times of frustration/pressure. Winners shake it off and keep their heads up. Can Jay force himself to fix this issue? That's a major concern IMO.

People here will rip me for saying it, but it's true.

Everyone knows I'm a huge fan of this kid, but he mopes around out there and it's just not very inspiring. The stock answer here is...
"All he has to to is make the throws and everything works out."
That's true to a point, but again... after throwing two crucial picks to put his team in a hole, he needs to come out with a little fire and inspire the guys around him.

Again, he's immensely talented, but he's got a long way to go as far as being a leader and a winner.

Captain 'Dre
11-02-2008, 08:31 PM
DO you think Cutler smoked a bowl after the game?

Don't know, but if I were him, EYE would!

Captain 'Dre
11-02-2008, 08:32 PM
Cutler's skill-set is fine.... but he's got a long way to go before he's a leader. He carries himself poorly at times. He looks sluggish in his demeanor and just plain plays sloppy football on a pretty regular basis.

I love the guy and his potential, he's just got a way to go. Pennington has about 1/10th of Cutler's skills and you can just watch him out there leading his team and understand why guys follow him.

Jay probably got by in college on his arm alone. College is over and it's time to become a franchise QB.

I believe he'll get there.

You nailed it, bro.

Sassy
11-02-2008, 08:34 PM
WHere's the crowd that was saying three years ago..."Give Jay 3-4 years"...we won't complain until then...LOL! Yeah right...

Los Broncos
11-02-2008, 08:35 PM
Nice man melons, roll em back up.

Captain 'Dre
11-02-2008, 08:37 PM
Please, PLEASE, PLEASE, Circle... get a new Avatar!

That condition is called "gynecomastia", and it's enough to make a guy stop smoking dope! :oyvey:

Pick Six
11-02-2008, 08:38 PM
he is looking like a Grossman..

He threw 3 interceptions today and yet people start blaming our defense.

Grossman led his team to a win, BTW...:clown:

Miss I.
11-02-2008, 08:47 PM
WHere's the crowd that was saying three years ago..."Give Jay 3-4 years"...we won't complain until then...LOL! Yeah right...

You know this is the kind of thing I was worried about. Honestly, I do think Jay has to improve, find new targets, they need a running game, but the times I see, trade or bench him, I am like "Overreact much?"

I used to read a lot of message boards a few years ago about Plummer. Don't get me wrong I dont' think he is a great QB, but he managed the game okay. He was very limited though. He doesn't have the arm strength and potential Jay does. What he did have by the time he got to Denver was a certain amount of experience, but as someone pointed out he quite often tried to do things he wasnt' capable of. I read the posts about him and one would have thought the guy was the anti-christ. Some guy went off on him being gay because he cried about his friend Pat Tillman dying. I wanted to do a Spider and punch someone in the throat.

When they officially benched Plummer, I understood what they were doing, but kind of thought they should've let him finish the season. I was worried that the minute Jay didn't perform to expectations his head would be called for and he has been playing badly lately there is no doubt, but I firmly believe one should not throw the babyfaced QB out with the bathwater.

~Crash~
11-02-2008, 08:49 PM
Please, PLEASE, PLEASE, Circle... get a new Avatar!

Ohelllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll l them are hot :thumbsup: circle I think you should shave but the curle pattern kind of rocks ...knowing you lol

pink_feet
11-02-2008, 08:57 PM
He doesn't suck, but I do believe he is overrated.

Go look at his last games. HIs QB rating has gone done each game. He is regressing.

He has a rocket arm, but makes extremely poor decisions.

It really bugs me that he acts like a little cry baby when things dont go his way.

Basileus777
11-02-2008, 08:59 PM
Cutler just needs to work on his decision making. He needs to stop forcing the ball downfield and take the open receiver underneath. He almost has too much confidence in his arm, he needs to realize that there are windows that no one can fit the ball into. Good NFL QBs know when to take what the defense is giving you.

Wes Mantooth
11-02-2008, 08:59 PM
every QB sucks when the opposing D knows what you are going to do before you do.

Sassy
11-02-2008, 09:07 PM
Cutler just needs to work on his decision making. He needs to stop forcing the ball downfield and take the open receiver underneath. He almost has too much confidence in his arm, he needs to realize that there are windows that no one can fit the ball into. Good NFL QBs know when to take what the defense is giving you.

Just curious...how many times did you see an open receiver tonight??? They didn't RUN the ball at all...and the Dolphin D knew that...We didn't have open WR's most of the game.

Circle Orange
11-02-2008, 09:10 PM
I have to admit Circle the avatar freaked me out, but let me hazard a guess on your reason. Is this lovely lad and his freakishly hairy manboobs perhaps a response to the overabundance of mammaries bouncing and still shots seen in the guy's avatars and signatures?

This is so...the things we ladies are subjected to. LOL

All better now.

Florida_Bronco
11-02-2008, 09:10 PM
I don't why people are getting riled up over this thread. Cutler is going to be a great QB for us and we all know it, but when you take a team with no running game, injuries, and a horrible defense and strap it to a 2nd year starter's back...these type of things happen.

Sassy
11-02-2008, 09:14 PM
I don't why people are getting riled up over this thread. Cutler is going to be a great QB for us and we all know it, but when you take a team with no running game, injuries, and a horrible defense and strap it to a 2nd year starter's back...these type of things happen.

So how come the Pats can do it with Cassel?
How come the Colts can do it when they are banged up.
How come the Steelers can do it with a QB with a banged up shoulder....and on and on and on!

Florida_Bronco
11-02-2008, 09:16 PM
So how come the Pats can do it with Cassel?
How come the Colts can do it when they are banged up.
How come the Steelers can do it with a QB with a banged up shoulder....and on and on and on!

That Pats team is basically the same team that went undefeated last year. Big Ben has not been playing that well and the Colts are struggling this year too.

azbroncfan
11-02-2008, 09:49 PM
I don't why people are getting riled up over this thread. Cutler is going to be a great QB for us and we all know it, but when you take a team with no running game, injuries, and a horrible defense and strap it to a 2nd year starter's back...these type of things happen.

I agree with all the above but why are you making excuses for Jay? He is way too cocky for the way he has been playing, he isn't playing well and turning the ball over at a rate of several times a game, and he isn't making the correct reads and getting impatient by forcing the ball into Marshall when he has plenty of other weapons. Don't know why you can't admit he specifically is struggling along with the running game. Does this mean he is a bust? Heck no but he isn't playing well and the way the team is set up they go as he does and they have lost 3 in a row.

Houshyamama
11-02-2008, 10:01 PM
wow. you suck at being a fan.

Popps
11-02-2008, 10:41 PM
I don't why people are getting riled up over this thread. Cutler is going to be a great QB for us and we all know it, but when you take a team with no running game, injuries, and a horrible defense and strap it to a 2nd year starter's back...these type of things happen.

Yea, you know... let's rewind just a bit here.

I can think of at least three games this year where our offense absolutely put us behind the 8-ball early-on.

-KC
-NE
-MIA

I agree completely that we've had no running game the past few weeks. I've been quietly making the point around here that there doesn't seem to be any running lanes at all.

That said, I'm not sure that gives Cutler a free pass to dole out interceptions for TDs.

I think he'll be great, too... but he set us up to lose this game today. Our offense is supposed to be our strong-point and it just sucks, and he's sucking as bad as anyone.

Sassy
11-02-2008, 10:44 PM
We could add the Jags game to that list.

Florida_Bronco
11-02-2008, 11:24 PM
I agree with all the above but why are you making excuses for Jay? Reasoning does not equal excuses.

He is way too cocky for the way he has been playing Please. Let's save the amateur psychology for another time. None of us know Cutler. We don't have the information or qualifications to be deciding if he is too cocky or not.

He isn't playing well and turning the ball over at a rate of several times a game. What else would you expect from a gunslinger starting his 2nd year with offensive weapons going down all around him?

getting impatient by forcing the ball into Marshall when he has plenty of other weapons. Kind of a moot point seeing how Marshall has been the only consistent/available threat on offense and he didn't even get thrown to until the 2nd half of the game today.

Don't know why you can't admit he specifically is struggling along with the running game. Again, I think Jay is doing well for being in the situation he is in. These young quarterbacks just aren't ready to carry the entire team and when they are forced to, you end up with alot of forced plays and turnovers.

Jay is not the problem.

BroncoBuff
11-02-2008, 11:28 PM
Cutler's accuracy was terrible today .... the hand injury @ NE might've changed something. He was off-target that entire game too, after the hand injury, and now all day today. Thursday will be telling. If he's off target again all night, something is wrong.

DBBBSBS
11-02-2008, 11:37 PM
13-3 with plummer... hmm i guess TD was running then and we had orange crush defense.. this bronco team has lost all that... how can it win ??

Broncos_OTM
11-03-2008, 06:01 AM
what really ticked me off the most is the fourth down at the end of the game where he only half assed it and just slung the ball towards the reciver with noregaurd to what looked to me as any reguard for completeing it. although the recievers really hurt us in this game. especially stokely

Atwater His Ass
11-03-2008, 06:03 AM
13-3 with plummer... hmm i guess TD was running then and we had orange crush defense.. this bronco team has lost all that... how can it win ??

run

Circle Orange
11-03-2008, 07:54 AM
jay's arrogance was entertaining...for a while. but when you can't back it up you look like an a$$. this often happens when you're called great before you actually do anything!

now he looks like Jamarcus Russell east.

Kaylore
11-03-2008, 08:09 AM
Jay needs to quit going out and getting hammered the night before games. I have some friends that go out a lot and they see him drinking all the time. He's nice to them, but its obviously not something you should be doing especially right before the game. Last year the night before the Chargers game he was getting hammered and we all know how that ended.

Personally I think that's his problem. He has great protection and great receivers. Is he missing Tony Scheffler? Yes. Do we lack a consistent rushing game? Yes. That said, he has more than most of the QB's in the league have to work with and he's not been getting it done. We know he can, but I think he needs to fix whatever's going on between his ears or he's going to continue to slide like he is.

Arkansas Bronco
11-03-2008, 08:12 AM
WHere's the crowd that was saying three years ago..."Give Jay 3-4 years"...we won't complain until then...LOL! Yeah right...

I was in that group on draft day and Im still there waiting. :welcome:

Hotrod
11-03-2008, 08:20 AM
holy ****ing **** Ha!

Smiling Assassin27
11-03-2008, 08:29 AM
Hell, Jake Plummer can do this crap. Thus far, the results do not reflect an upgrade at QB, IMO. Cutler's INT's are not just bad, but like, Todd Bouman bad...Steve Bono bad...Rex Grossman bad. The kid looks like a nervous chimp and/or Jim Everett back there. Every throw is Jay either backpedaling, sidestepping, or forcing stuff. The guy's gotta get back to some level of comfort in the pocket, cuz the guy is spooked beyond belief in there right now. Is that Bubby Brister donning the 6 jersey again?

Oh, and btw, a running game might be nice. The Fins were laughing at us everytime we ran a run play. And hey, that Ryan Torain sure looks like a keeper...I just KNEW he'd be the One. Let's dub him the Barack Obama of the Bronco backfield--inexperienced, unaccomplished, looks good in pads, and mesmerizes people with stuff other than substance.

Cripes. Nuff said.

ro_50
11-03-2008, 08:37 AM
I've seen Jay Cutler play since he was a freshman at Vandy.

This is not meant to say cut him some slack or anything, but you've got to understand the mindset this KID has. He has a strong arm and when he was in Vandy, with inferior talent, he had to carry the entire load for that team playing against the SEC giants week in and week out.

I think he still clings to that motto at times and you saw it yesterday. He forces the issue and presses when things don't go his way. But give him time, he's young and will make mistakes.

I honestly think people expect him to throw for 30-35 TDs and 10-15 INTS.

that's not going to happen right away -- if ever.

As you guys know, young quarterbacks go through these type of moments.

He started off on fire but has tailed off but what do you expect from a young quarterback.

bpc
11-03-2008, 08:41 AM
What's wrong with Cutler? Many things... most of you have touched on it already.

- He needs to grow up. Cutler needs to realize this isn't college anymore and with the money they are paying him, they expect him to be a leader on and off the field.

- Shanahan has put too much emphasis on him to the point where he is starting to buckle... not that we have a choice. Shanahan's choices at HB have essentially forced us into throwing the ball around 45 times a game because we don't have anybody else to tote the rock in the backfield. Cutler looks like he is just trying to get through this season, w's and l's be damned.

- We don't have enough weapons around him that matter. We have nice little secondary playmakers outside of Marshall and maybe Royal but we have a hole in the middle of the field where Scheffler was, and I don't see that changing... it's time we understand that while Tony is talented, he's soft and extremely injury prone. When the going gets rough, Jay doesn't have a running game to smooth out the kinks. I also think that Stokely is way overated. I'll get blasted by this and Brandon has had some good games in Denver but he can't stay healthy and he doesn't have the speed he used to have. WR is very much a concern moving into this offseason, as is TE and HB.

On the positive side, no one can doubt that when Marshall has the ball in his hands, he's a top 3 WR after the catch and he's shown that he can be a pro bowl type WR. Eddie Royal is a playmaker on the special teams and at WR. The only problem is he should probably be a #3 instead of a #2 so they can truly feel the impact he'll have on the games. Peyton Hillis can be a pro bowl type FB catching the ball, much like Tony Richardson. Our offensive line has a bright future. We just need to fill in the blanks around Jay and them.

- Unreal expectations by the fans are not helping Jay. Cutler has never really had a terrible game in his career. He's had some games where his arm was off or he hasn't played well but he hasn't excessively turned over the ball at any other time until now. This was his first 3 INT game of his career. By this point in Brett Favre and Peyton Manning's career, they both had at least four 3 INT games. Sometimes you gotta take the good with the bad. Cutler's struggling with expectations, the weight of a city and an organization.

- Cutler's weaknesses are his arrogance and he's not a very intellegent QB. Both of those problems can be masked but not with the holes we have right now... no TE, no running game, a inconsistently bad defense with MANY injuries. The most concerning issue is that Cutler just isn't a very smart football player. He is not interested in football savy plays... dumping off passes to players out of the backfield instead of throwing into coverage getting balls picked off.

Unfortunately we're just going to have to take these lumps, the good and the bad and come next offseason, we are going to have to invest more money into this offense despite our short comings on defense. Hopefully in that time, Cutler matures and gets through some of these mental breakdowns he's having. He has a huge arm but he needs the brains to go with it.

We'll see. First thing we need to do in the draft is find him a talented young runner. I was taking a wait and see approach with Torain, and he still might do the job but we can't risk another year with everything being on Cutler. He needs help to keep a defense honest.

crawdad
11-03-2008, 09:03 AM
We got hosed on the Marshall PI call and I saw alot of passes that hit hands and were not caught. Our 'D' couldn't stop them on the last drive that consumed 8 minutes and resulted in a TD. This all ain't on Jay. Who is the Green dude that didn't even look back on the pass to R Williams. That was a game killer right there.
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Los Broncos
11-03-2008, 09:13 AM
We got hosed on the Marshall PI call and I saw alot of passes that hit hands and were not caught. Our 'D' couldn't stop them on the last drive that consumed 8 minutes and resulted in a TD. This all ain't on Jay. Who is the Green dude that didn't even look back on the pass to R Williams. That was a game killer right there.
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That play just gave me a sick feeling, couldn't believe it.

gyldenlove
11-03-2008, 09:19 AM
What's wrong with Cutler? Many things... most of you have touched on it already.

- He needs to grow up. Cutler needs to realize this isn't college anymore and with the money they are paying him, they expect him to be a leader on and off the field.

- Shanahan has put too much emphasis on him to the point where he is starting to buckle... not that we have a choice. Shanahan's choices at HB have essentially forced us into throwing the ball around 45 times a game because we don't have anybody else to tote the rock in the backfield. Cutler looks like he is just trying to get through this season, w's and l's be damned.

- We don't have enough weapons around him that matter. We have nice little secondary playmakers outside of Marshall and maybe Royal but we have a hole in the middle of the field where Scheffler was, and I don't see that changing... it's time we understand that while Tony is talented, he's soft and extremely injury prone. When the going gets rough, Jay doesn't have a running game to smooth out the kinks. I also think that Stokely is way overated. I'll get blasted by this and Brandon has had some good games in Denver but he can't stay healthy and he doesn't have the speed he used to have. WR is very much a concern moving into this offseason, as is TE and HB.

On the positive side, no one can doubt that when Marshall has the ball in his hands, he's a top 3 WR after the catch and he's shown that he can be a pro bowl type WR. Eddie Royal is a playmaker on the special teams and at WR. The only problem is he should probably be a #3 instead of a #2 so they can truly feel the impact he'll have on the games. Peyton Hillis can be a pro bowl type FB catching the ball, much like Tony Richardson. Our offensive line has a bright future. We just need to fill in the blanks around Jay and them.

- Unreal expectations by the fans are not helping Jay. Cutler has never really had a terrible game in his career. He's had some games where his arm was off or he hasn't played well but he hasn't excessively turned over the ball at any other time until now. This was his first 3 INT game of his career. By this point in Brett Favre and Peyton Manning's career, they both had at least four 3 INT games. Sometimes you gotta take the good with the bad. Cutler's struggling with expectations, the weight of a city and an organization.

- Cutler's weaknesses are his arrogance and he's not a very intellegent QB. Both of those problems can be masked but not with the holes we have right now... no TE, no running game, a inconsistently bad defense with MANY injuries. The most concerning issue is that Cutler just isn't a very smart football player. He is not interested in football savy plays... dumping off passes to players out of the backfield instead of throwing into coverage getting balls picked off.

Unfortunately we're just going to have to take these lumps, the good and the bad and come next offseason, we are going to have to invest more money into this offense despite our short comings on defense. Hopefully in that time, Cutler matures and gets through some of these mental breakdowns he's having. He has a huge arm but he needs the brains to go with it.

We'll see. First thing we need to do in the draft is find him a talented young runner. I was taking a wait and see approach with Torain, and he still might do the job but we can't risk another year with everything being on Cutler. He needs help to keep a defense honest.

:thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow


So you propose that we draft a RB in the 1st round, sign a top name WR and TE and lose every game we are going to play between now and then time I am a little old man because we will give up at least 50 points?

How are the expectations of fans hurting his career? Are you even listening to yourself? You can be pretty sure that he has more important things to worry about than the expectations of the fans, like buying toilet paper or if he should have medium or hot or ultra hot wings.

Brian Griese plays the dump off pass, and where has it gotten him? oh yes, he is now sitting on the bench behind a QB who is going to be out of a job in a couple of months that hates his HC. Look at Brady, look at Manning, look at Elway, look at Montana, they didn't make a living dumping off passes, they made a living getting passes to people who can do some damage. On a side note, who was the leading reciever yesterday? that is right our FB, not exactly a deep threat.

Cutler has one major weakness, he still doesn't look off the defenders to open up passing lanes. Most of his interceptions and near interceptions are caused by defenders in zone who jump the route because Cutler telegraphs passes. The return TD yesterday was a guy in zone that jumped the route, the underthrown pass to Stokley in the 4th was a guy jumping the route, he had a couple of near misses with linebackers getting hands on the ball.

ANIMAL24
11-03-2008, 09:21 AM
cutler has been off target since the second half of the saints game, but some how he hit the opposing players right in the numbers...

pink_feet
11-03-2008, 09:35 AM
i can't believe that if anyone criticizes Cutler, that is taboo.

Face it, the guy is a head case right now. He is borderline Primadonna.

He needs to grow up. His attitude pisses me off sometimes. He reminds me of a little spoiled brat who when things don't go his way, he pouts. I see it EVERY GAME.

And this argument about not having weapons, what a joke. He has 2 very very capable receivers in Marshall and Royal. He has RB that can catch the ball out of the back. The running game was shut down and it was up to Jay to loosen the Dolphins D to open up the running game and he didn't.

He needs to read defenses better. He zeroes in on his receivers real quick.
He should be ahead of the curve now. He has played in 30 games now?

:thanku:

bpc
11-03-2008, 09:43 AM
:thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow


So you propose that we draft a RB in the 1st round, sign a top name WR and TE and lose every game we are going to play between now and then time I am a little old man because we will give up at least 50 points?

How are the expectations of fans hurting his career? Are you even listening to yourself? You can be pretty sure that he has more important things to worry about than the expectations of the fans, like buying toilet paper or if he should have medium or hot or ultra hot wings.

Brian Griese plays the dump off pass, and where has it gotten him? oh yes, he is now sitting on the bench behind a QB who is going to be out of a job in a couple of months that hates his HC. Look at Brady, look at Manning, look at Elway, look at Montana, they didn't make a living dumping off passes, they made a living getting passes to people who can do some damage. On a side note, who was the leading reciever yesterday? that is right our FB, not exactly a deep threat.

Cutler has one major weakness, he still doesn't look off the defenders to open up passing lanes. Most of his interceptions and near interceptions are caused by defenders in zone who jump the route because Cutler telegraphs passes. The return TD yesterday was a guy in zone that jumped the route, the underthrown pass to Stokley in the 4th was a guy jumping the route, he had a couple of near misses with linebackers getting hands on the ball.

No, he has a bunch of fundamental weaknesses. That doesn't mean he's eternally flawed but he's going through the normal maturation process. He needs to play smarter football. He spends too much time looking to complete the 15-20 yd pass. In the NFL these are not high percentage passes and now defenses are sitting on it. He needs to loosen up the coverage by hitting his check downs.

Look at any good QB right now in the NFL... Brady, Manning, McNabb, Romo, or even Rivers... they effectively use the backs out of the backfield to loosen up coverages and pick up tough 3rd and 4's, 3rd and 5's. Cutler HAS to get better at this or he'll be a average/good QB at best.

As for the fans, a majority of fans don't have REAL expectations. They think that a player develops in one year and then is great. That is far and few inbetween. All the great ones have been thrown in the fire, experienced turbulant 1st, 2nd, 3rd seasons and eventually got better. Cutler wowed in his beginning and really hasn't had bad games. He now experiences one and the fans and a lot of media people are out for blood. Give him his time, let him grow up, let him learn and lets wait until at least his 4th year before we start calling for solutions to take place at the QB position.

As for going offense early next year, I think we have to find a HB. If that's in the 1st round, so be it. Obviously Cutler is regressing and our offense PLUS our defense doesn't have a running game to turn to when needing to grind down the clock or speed the game up. A running game is two fold and will affect offense and defense. As for more offensive weapons, you can find a solid TE in the 3rd, 4th, 5th round. Same with a WR. We just need to have a plan of action and set it in motion. Finding a solution at HB should be a priority going into the offseason, that much is evident with this year.

bpc
11-03-2008, 09:48 AM
i can't believe that if anyone criticizes Cutler, that is taboo.

Face it, the guy is a head case right now. He is borderline Primadonna.

He needs to grow up. His attitude pisses me off sometimes. He reminds me of a little spoiled brat who when things don't go his way, he pouts. I see it EVERY GAME.

And this argument about not having weapons, what a joke. He has 2 very very capable receivers in Marshall and Royal. He has RB that can catch the ball out of the back. The running game was shut down and it was up to Jay to loosen the Dolphins D to open up the running game and he didn't.

He needs to read defenses better. He zeroes in on his receivers real quick.
He should be ahead of the curve now. He has played in 30 games now?

:thanku:

It's not taboo, you do need to realize your expectations probably can't be met this season so roll them back. He's on a normal path of a young QB. He does need to ditch the attitude and just play ball. I agree with you on that part.

Marshall is a weapon and they are taking that away with great double coverage. Royal is a good young WR but he's smaller, has a harder time getting off the press and has already been injured in his young career. What has he missed, two or three games already? Cutler hasn't had his full arsenal to work with all year. Scheffler hasn't been in the games either and we have a FB that can catch the ball... not a HB who can run AND catch.

People can say what they want but you can't sugar coats what the facts are.

Cutler is the franchise and the offense right now.

We've put a ton of money into him so the success he has on the field is imperative.

If he is to be a success, we obviously need to give him more than he has now... namely some sort of running threat out of the backfield.

BroncoFiend
11-03-2008, 10:11 AM
This is on Shanny, I've never been on the 'Get rid of Shanny' bandwagon, and I'm still not. But he needs to take control of this team. They just look unprepared and out matched and there is no excude for that on offense.

I really think Shanny needs to pull out the book of Jake and use it the rest of the year. Cutler needs to get back to basics and I think he can if Shanny limits the field for him.

I don't really know, but it just seems like there isn't any plan of attack on offense. Each play kind of stands on it's own and doesn't lend itself to an overall plan like I'm used to seeing from a Shanny offense.

Could part of the issue be the O-lines lack of experience hurting the run game? As good as they have played, the run game hasn't flowed very well and that starts with the O-line. Not sure what's up, but something is broken right now.

Captain 'Dre
11-03-2008, 11:24 AM
jay's arrogance was entertaining...for a while. but when you can't back it up you look like an a$$. this often happens when you're called great before you actually do anything!


Word.

And how can this NOT impact his relationships with his teammates?

No one doubts Jay's physical talent, but Jebus Price, Jeff George had a $#!tload of talent, too.

It's too early to draw conclusions, IMO, but it's NOT too early to start asking whether Jay has the personality and mental toughness to be a leader.

bronco militia
11-03-2008, 11:29 AM
Word.

And how can this NOT impact his relationships with his teammates?

No one doubts Jay's physical talent, but Jebus Price, Jeff George had a $#!tload of talent, too.

It's too early to draw conclusions, IMO, but it's NOT too early to start asking whether Jay has the personality and mental toughness to be a leader.

these are things that get answered in a QB's first few years at QB.

but the last 5 weeks should have been a wake up call for the coaching staff to get Cutler some help.

protect your QB by developing more basic game plans and running the ball. Save the 4/5 WR bullsht for the 2 minute warning or when the game gets out of hand.

TheChamp24
11-03-2008, 11:32 AM
Honestly, Cutler needs to get his ass in gear.

This is beginning to feel like when Jake Plummer played, how when he dropped back to pass, I was just praying it wasn't going to be intercepted or sacked. Moving to Jay made me feel better about passing, especially the improvements in the OL, but now, I'm getting weary again when we pass the ball. 2 awful throws for interceptions, 1 that was missed communication, 2 almost picked(including 1 that would've been returned for 6), I mean, what the heck is the problem? Playcalling? Lack of creativity?
Take a look back at the Oakland and San Diego games, our offensive playcalling was awesome in those games, and had creativity. Now it looks horrible with no creativity.

ZONA
11-03-2008, 12:01 PM
What I am not understanding about Cutler is that he is probably the least sacked QB in the league. He is getting good protection. These picks are just flat out bad read and bad throws. That is the concerning part. We'll give him some slack knowing that this is really his 2nd season, as he only played in 5 games his first season.

I think he will turn out to be a good QB, he just needs time to learn and he as to go through these growing pains. It's one thing to watch tape on other QB's like Brady and Manning and try to learn what they do well but I think you learn much more when you are watching tape of yourself making those mistakes because you know what was going through your head at the time. It's easier to realize all the factors that came into play when you made that mistake.

epicSocialism4tw
11-03-2008, 12:38 PM
It's not taboo, you do need to realize your expectations probably can't be met this season so roll them back. He's on a normal path of a young QB. He does need to ditch the attitude and just play ball. I agree with you on that part.

Marshall is a weapon and they are taking that away with great double coverage. Royal is a good young WR but he's smaller, has a harder time getting off the press and has already been injured in his young career. What has he missed, two or three games already? Cutler hasn't had his full arsenal to work with all year. Scheffler hasn't been in the games either and we have a FB that can catch the ball... not a HB who can run AND catch.

People can say what they want but you can't sugar coats what the facts are.

Cutler is the franchise and the offense right now.

We've put a ton of money into him so the success he has on the field is imperative.

If he is to be a success, we obviously need to give him more than he has now... namely some sort of running threat out of the backfield.

It's sort of SOP for Denver fans to have unrealistic expectations of a QB. Most of whom missed the early days of Elway.

JJJ
11-03-2008, 01:15 PM
Midway through the season and here we go with the inevitable comparison

QB Rating
Rivers 107.8 leading the league
Cutler 86.9 16th in the league

On a positive note it took Elway 5 years to get a QB rating in the 80's. And it took him 11 years to get one in the 90's. Elway only had one year in his first 10 where he was above 80 in passer rating. Remarkable.

Cutler is well ahead of Elway at this point in his career. You guys can't give up on this guy, he will win you the SB before he is done I am quite sure.

Smiling Assassin27
11-03-2008, 01:23 PM
you forgot the

{/sarcasm} symbol...

Circle Orange
11-03-2008, 01:26 PM
Midway through the season and here we go with the inevitable comparison

QB Rating
Rivers 107.8 leading the league
Cutler 86.9 16th in the league

On a positive note it took Elway 5 years to get a QB rating in the 80's. And it took him 11 years to get one in the 90's. Elway only had one year in his first 10 where he was above 80 in passer rating. Remarkable.

Cutler is well ahead of Elway at this point in his career. You guys can't give up on this guy, he will win you the SB before he is done I am quite sure.

a comparison of potatoes and grapes. the Qb rating system wasn't even in vogue during elway's early career. His win percentage was higher, though, because the style of offense (if you could call it that) was to basically run the ball some, keep it close and then tell #7 to 'do his thing' and win the game. That doesn't lend itself to pretty stats. I'm not certain what Cutler is ahead of right now, since he has the benefit of an experienced Shanahan with a track record. And as far as ridiculous physical plays go...it isn't even close.

Talented, yes. But still a complimentary qb. there's nothing wrong with that!

Tombstone RJ
11-03-2008, 01:31 PM
Honestly, Cutler needs to get his ass in gear.

This is beginning to feel like when Jake Plummer played, how when he dropped back to pass, I was just praying it wasn't going to be intercepted or sacked. Moving to Jay made me feel better about passing, especially the improvements in the OL, but now, I'm getting weary again when we pass the ball. 2 awful throws for interceptions, 1 that was missed communication, 2 almost picked(including 1 that would've been returned for 6), I mean, what the heck is the problem? Playcalling? Lack of creativity?
Take a look back at the Oakland and San Diego games, our offensive playcalling was awesome in those games, and had creativity. Now it looks horrible with no creativity.

I feel great with the ball in Cutler's hands. Maybe that's the key difference between a fan like me, and alot of supposed fans on this board.

Cutler simply needs a running game to allievate the pressure he feels to make a play.

I love the ball in Jay's hands. Every time he gets the ball, something great can happen, and for the most part, he has has played extremely well.

Now, Shanahan has to understand that to get this team over the hump, it needs a ligitimate threat at the running back position. If the Broncos get this, they will be practically unstoppable on offense.

MinneCofan
11-03-2008, 01:34 PM
Just checkin in with the Mane and found what i figured i would, a large part of this teams issues being put on a 3rd year QB.

I agree with everyone that says he needs to grow up and learn how to deal with not only criticism, but also with (premature) praise. Of which he got way too much early on this year. He does need to look off safeties, he does need to check down, he does need to learn when to eat it and just take a sack. But his 3 picks yesterday came on 3rd and 10, 3rd and 9, and 3rd and 24.

Um, run the freakin ball...just a little please.

JJJ
11-03-2008, 01:38 PM
a comparison of potatoes and grapes. the Qb rating system wasn't even in vogue during elway's early career. His win percentage was higher, though, because the style of offense (if you could call it that) was to basically run the ball some, keep it close and then tell #7 to 'do his thing' and win the game. That doesn't lend itself to pretty stats. I'm not certain what Cutler is ahead of right now, since he has the benefit of an experienced Shanahan with a track record. And as far as ridiculous physical plays go...it isn't even close.

Talented, yes. But still a complimentary qb. there's nothing wrong with that!

Remember Elway made a ton of mistakes in his first three years. 52 picks.

Cutler is no different. Letting him carry the team like he is now will pay dividends later, just like it did with Elway.

The guy will win a bowl, either with Denver or somewhere else.

DBBBSBS
11-03-2008, 04:56 PM
I was thinking jake plummer is the QB of this team.. LOL

When did that change happen ? I change whenever it happened seems so good that i never noticed a change.

Oh wait.. if plummer was in charge atleast we start the season at 6-2 or 5-3 and go down slowly.. the new high is 2-1 and then down the pipe.

DarkHorse30
06-24-2009, 12:06 AM
I found this thread interesting.....especially the Rex Grossman references. I believe this may have been when the wheels began to start coming off of Cutler's wagon.

BroncoBuff
06-24-2009, 12:16 AM
I found this thread interesting.....especially the Rex Grossman references. I believe this may have been when the wheels began to start coming off of Cutler's wagon.
Yes, interesting ....

But actually Jay rebounded spectacularly just 4 days later, when he racked up one of the best 4th quarters in team history at Cleveland. He then went on to have amazing games at Atlanta and the Jets ... but of course faded against Buffalo.

We'll see, that's all you can say .... we'll see what he does in the years to come.

TheReverend
06-24-2009, 12:19 AM
holy ****ing **** Ha!

This post summed it up back in EARLY NOVEMBER.

Kaylore
06-24-2009, 12:42 AM
Jay needs to quit going out and getting hammered the night before games. I have some friends that go out a lot and they see him drinking all the time. He's nice to them, but its obviously not something you should be doing especially right before the game. Last year the night before the Chargers game he was getting hammered and we all know how that ended.

Personally I think that's his problem. He has great protection and great receivers. Is he missing Tony Scheffler? Yes. Do we lack a consistent rushing game? Yes. That said, he has more than most of the QB's in the league have to work with and he's not been getting it done. We know he can, but I think he needs to fix whatever's going on between his ears or he's going to continue to slide like he is.

This post should also put to bed the idea that I "turned on Cutler and made stuff up about him once he tried to get traded."

TheReverend
06-24-2009, 12:59 AM
This post should also put to bed the idea that I "turned on Cutler and made stuff up about him once he tried to get traded."

That is early Nov... search function has a ****load of contradictory fodder...

Don't get mad.

Just sayin...

Popps
06-24-2009, 01:03 AM
I think a lot of us loved Cutler's skills, but had reservations. Mopey Jay didn't become a regular forum term without reason.

I'm sure we all have had good and bad things to say about him through the course of his tenure.

But, as time went on... the guy showed his true colors. Thankfully, he can show them somewhere else.