Time to clean house-Ownership needs to take action

[Denver724]

I have tried to be positive up to this point, but it is time for a change. To see the Dolphins and Falcons make coaching changes and get results just reinforces the point. Bowlen needs to step up and bite the bullet. The team is a f***ing joke!

[DeusExManning]

Agreed

[enjolras]

Atlanta had the pieces in place, they just had to work out the lunacy at QB.

Unless we can get Parcells, it's not going to do much good. Miami is a product of the best football man in the world. He has such an incredible eye for talent (overlooked talent at that).

[alchemize]

You know, for quite a few years I've said "who you gonna get to replace Shanny?" But hell...how about Cowher? I've lost confidence in the CEO now that he's replaced everyone from top to bottom. Time for change.

[Finger Roll]

I'm sick of this team bending over when the game is on the line. Lucky to win the Charger and Saints game because of the ref and the kicker. Not to mention what the **** is up the the offense the last 5 games. Can't score more than 17 points and avoid turning it over like 1000 times

[Garcia Bronco]

the only thing that's a joke is loser fans like yourself

[DivineBronco]

i am sadly now on the time for a change train.....mike is just not the proper motivator for a team that is this young and not prepared to work there butts off every week in practice he is a coach that needs self motivated people and these kids are not that

[Dagmar]

the only thing that's a joke is loser fans like yourself

:thumbs:

[Denver724]

the only thing that's a joke is loser fans like yourself

How long do we have to lose before you jump on the wagon? Time to move on without Shanny. In fact, I think it would be noble of him to resign. He has to be embarrassed.

[fontaine]

I don't think we need to get rid of Shanahan but bring in a GM or a defensive specialist who knows how to pick defensive talent.

[Denver724]

7 yards rushing. Is this the best Shanny can do?

[DivineBronco]

but that is the shanahan issue...unless he has a giant change of heart...he is in charge of everything or nothing...he is not a share kinda guy

[Finger Roll]

I don't think we need to get rid of Shanahan but bring in a GM or a defensive specialist who knows how to pick defensive talent.

I'm more sick of the offense than the defense. 5 straight games of K.C. Chiefs like offense. Are we ever going to score 20 points again?

[go_broncos]

I don't think we need to get rid of Shanahan but bring in a GM or a defensive specialist who knows how to pick defensive talent.

Unfortunately..that will not happen..

[Meck77]

Atlanta had the pieces in place, they just had to work out the lunacy at QB.

Unless we can get Parcells, it's not going to do much good. Miami is a product of the best football man in the world. He has such an incredible eye for talent (overlooked talent at that).

Can't wait to hear Atlas's rant on this. Ha!

Two weeks of prep time for this game didn't help much. I don't expect anyone to be able to relate to this point of view but I don't think Shanny's mind is on football right now. He's battling a $40,000,000 eminent domain battle with RTD right now and my gut says he's more concerned about his millions then the team right now.

[scttgrd]

It's not the talent as much as the coaching.

[fontaine]

I have no idea how to fix this team.

A rookie 7th fullback outperformed the entire offense, and played better than any defensive starter we have out there.

What a joke.

Wait a second! Can Hillis coach defense?

[lazarus4444]

the only thing that's a joke is loser fans like yourself

Instead of a stupid non-informative post like this backed up by all the time you've wasted on this forum (tens of thousands of posts) why don't you instead come up with what the Broncos need? Or tell the OP why you don't think Shanny should go. Or why you don't think the entire organization from top to bottom needs to be purged and start over.

The announcers were right, both teams are 4-4 but the Fins are heading up and the Broncos down. How many more mediocre seasons must we endure? NFL stands for Not For Long, meaning what have you done for me lately>? Not what have you done for me 10 years ago.

[Killericon]

How long do we have to lose before you jump on the wagon? Time to move on without Shanny. In fact, I think it would be noble of him to resign. He has to be embarrassed.

YEAH, MAN!! A 26-17 LOSS IS SIMPLY UNACCEPTABLE!!! 4-4 IS AN EMBARRASSMENT! A 3RD YEAR QB WITH A GUNSLINGER MENTALITY THROWING 3 PICKS?!? SHANAHAN SHOULD RETIRE!!!

This place is a ****ing joke. I'm out for the week. I can't stand it here anymore. It's overreaction at its worst. One pick and Cutler is a bust. One TD and he's Elway. One loss and the ownership needs to clean house. Not but 3 weeks ago, we were creme of the crop in the eyes of most of this board. You people talk about how we rebuilt in a year, how when we drafted Cutler, we begun rebuilding. We are still in a rebuilding phase. Admittedly, it's going way better than expected, and we should still win the division, but **** like this is going to happen.

Fire Shanahan? What a joke.

[HEAV]

It's not the talent as much as the coaching.

BINGO!


A new voice and different ideas are badly needed in Dove Valley.

[TDmvp]

the only thing that's a joke is loser fans like yourself

QFT ... +1


You local Boncs fans should thank your lucky stars for Pat and Mike , as someone who has been a broncos fan since 1985 you all are so lucky to have such a great owner and coach and a front office that don't make knee jerk decisions ... ever time someone hear wants to make another clean house thread please remember the other teams that would kill to have 2 titles been there 6 times and had one the best records in the nfl over a 20 year stretch ...


just remember this guys face next time you want to post something this
stupid Denver747... I'm guessing your like 22 , 23 years old ... it happens .

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/a/a8/Mikebrown.jpg
http://bengals.enquirer.com/2003/01/15/brownlewis_zoom.jpg

id take the time to post the bengals record the last 25 years and a pic of every coach they have had in the time you guys had three , but you get where i'm going ....

[Dagmar]

We are not just another team. No revolving door coaching. Stop this ****.

[Finger Roll]

Instead of a stupid non-informative post like this backed up by all the time you've wasted on this forum (tens of thousands of posts) why don't you instead come up with what the Broncos need? Or tell the OP why you don't think Shanny should go. Or why you don't think the entire organization from top to bottom needs to be purged and start over.

The announcers were right, both teams are 4-4 but the Fins are heading up and the Broncos down. How many more mediocre seasons must we endure? NFL stands for Not For Long, meaning what have you done for me lately>? Not what have you done for me 10 years ago.

I agree. 7-9 last year and should be 3-5 or 2-6 this year. Not to mention the team went 2-5 after a 7-2 start in 2006. 15-19 in the last 34 games while getting to play the chefs and raiders twice a year.

[fido]

YEAH, MAN!! A 26-17 LOSS IS SIMPLY UNACCEPTABLE!!! 4-4 IS AN EMBARRASSMENT! A 3RD YEAR QB WITH A GUNSLINGER MENTALITY THROWING 3 PICKS?!? SHANAHAN SHOULD RETIRE!!!

This place is a ****ing joke. I'm out for the week. I can't stand it here anymore. It's overreaction at its worst. One pick and Cutler is a bust. One TD and he's Elway. One loss and the ownership needs to clean house. Not but 3 weeks ago, we were creme of the crop in the eyes of most of this board. You people talk about how we rebuilt in a year, how when we drafted Cutler, we begun rebuilding. We are still in a rebuilding phase. Admittedly, it's going way better than expected, and we should still win the division, but **** like this is going to happen.

Fire Shanahan? What a joke.


truth
remember the year that the bolts went to the sb.....well the game here at milehi elway played like absolute dogsh** .... people need to take a deep breath

[TDmvp]

We are not just another team. No revolving door coaching. Stop this ****.



AKA the bengals , lions , raiders etc. etc ...
:thumbs:


Knee jerk posters suck ... we should just start posting this pic over and over in these Bs threads till they die ...

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/sky-is-falling.jpg

[broncofan7]

YEAH, MAN!! A 26-17 LOSS IS SIMPLY UNACCEPTABLE!!! 4-4 IS AN EMBARRASSMENT! A 3RD YEAR QB WITH A GUNSLINGER MENTALITY THROWING 3 PICKS?!? SHANAHAN SHOULD RETIRE!!!

This place is a ****ing joke. I'm out for the week. I can't stand it here anymore. It's overreaction at its worst. One pick and Cutler is a bust. One TD and he's Elway. One loss and the ownership needs to clean house. Not but 3 weeks ago, we were creme of the crop in the eyes of most of this board. You people talk about how we rebuilt in a year, how when we drafted Cutler, we begun rebuilding. We are still in a rebuilding phase. Admittedly, it's going way better than expected, and we should still win the division, but **** like this is going to happen.

Fire Shanahan? What a joke.

bye bye--A very vagina like move for you indeed. Is that what you do in the rest of your life? Run away when things get tough and people say things to you that you don't want to hear....go get some vagisil

[fido]

[QUOTE=TDmvp;2149270]AKA the bengals , lions , raiders etc. etc ...
:thumbs:


Knee jerk posters suck ... we should just start posting this pic over and over in these Bs threads till they die ...

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/sky-is-falling.jpg[/QUOTE

:thumbsup:

[oubronco]

YEAH, MAN!! A 26-17 LOSS IS SIMPLY UNACCEPTABLE!!! 4-4 IS AN EMBARRASSMENT! A 3RD YEAR QB WITH A GUNSLINGER MENTALITY THROWING 3 PICKS?!? SHANAHAN SHOULD RETIRE!!!

This place is a ****ing joke. I'm out for the week. I can't stand it here anymore. It's overreaction at its worst. One pick and Cutler is a bust. One TD and he's Elway. One loss and the ownership needs to clean house. Not but 3 weeks ago, we were creme of the crop in the eyes of most of this board. You people talk about how we rebuilt in a year, how when we drafted Cutler, we begun rebuilding. We are still in a rebuilding phase. Admittedly, it's going way better than expected, and we should still win the division, but **** like this is going to happen.

Fire Shanahan? What a joke.

I couldn't agree more killer but I think if they were showing a little more improvement each week people wouldn't be jumping off the cliff so fast

[dbfan21]

the only thing that's a joke is loser fans like yourself

Agreed. If you are ready to make outrageous claims such as this, it's time for you to go be a Falcons fan or a Dolphins fan.

And don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out...

[lex]

7 yards rushing. Is this the best Shanny can do?

OK, everyone who defends the Portis-Champ trade, needs to make note of this. People like to pretend that we dont need an eliter RB.

[broncofan7]

OK, everyone who defends the Portis-Champ trade, needs to make note of this. People like to pretend that we dont need an eliter RB.

4 freakin season ago? are you serious? LOL without champ there is no 2005 AFCCG appearance.

[Meck77]

There is no doubt that Elway spoiled us as Broncos fans. It's funny to think back but some of you probably remember how much it sucked losing all those superbowls. I can't even imagine being angry at losing superbowls but I was.

At some point our ONE playoff win in a decade is going to thin out the crowds at the stadium though. It's coming.

[Rohirrim]

We are not just another team. No revolving door coaching. Stop this ****.

You're a joke. No revolving door coaching? WTF? How many DCs have we gone through in the last ten years? In fact, how many coaches over all in all coaching positions have we gone through in the last ten years? Only one has not been replaced.

The fact is that Shanahan has not won **** without Elway. Them's the facts. It's been ten years since Elway hung it up and this team has been on a busted roller coaster ever since. Shall we go over all the decisions one by one?

**** it. I've stuck up for Mike for years and years. This team needs a new personality. Dump Shanahan. Hire Jim Schwartz as the new HC. It's a young team. We're starting at the bottom anyway. Might as well clear the decks.

[Broncojef]

This isn't just a one game loss...this is getting completely and utterly owned and embarrassed by the Patriots on Monday night football and the coaching staff having 2 weeks to prepare for a subpar Dolphins team at home. This was the performance they gave us...sorry Shanny and staff need to go.

[socalorado]

Oh every one relax!
Shanny doesnt need to go.

Bowlen simply must get a GM to run this team. PERIOD.
Shanny cant do it. never could.

MIKE MAYOCK.
or someone with an eye like Parcells for talent.
Their are other constructive options than ranting like a bunch of whiny
b!tche$, guys.

[lazarus4444]

The thing that bothers me about this team is lack of passion. Brandon Marshall has passion but it seems like everybody else just goes through he motions. Is a change at the top needed? I don't know. How many assistant head coaches do we have this year?

THe league is trending to young coaches with passion. Is that our future? We shall see. I'll still cheer for the Broncos every Sunday but the Denver Broncos football organization is a winning organization with classy fans and this type of play won't work for much longer.

[TDmvp]

BTW "by the way"


http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/sky-is-falling.jpg

Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

[broncofan7]

Oh every one relax!
Shanny doesnt need to go.

Bowlen simply must get a GM to run this team. PERIOD.
Shanny cant do it. never could.

MIKE MAYOCK.
or someone with an eye like Parcells for talent.
Their are other constructive options than ranting like a bunch of whiny
b!tche$, guys.

the whining is therapeutic to many--the ones who actually post statistics to back up there point that 'shanny must go', or 'slowik must go' etc are the ones who garner the most respect on this board.

[Denver724]

Instead of a stupid non-informative post like this backed up by all the time you've wasted on this forum (tens of thousands of posts) why don't you instead come up with what the Broncos need? Or tell the OP why you don't think Shanny should go. Or why you don't think the entire organization from top to bottom needs to be purged and start over.

The announcers were right, both teams are 4-4 but the Fins are heading up and the Broncos down. How many more mediocre seasons must we endure? NFL stands for Not For Long, meaning what have you done for me lately>? Not what have you done for me 10 years ago.

I vote for as few mediocre seasons as possible. Leadership is lacking. Time to get better leadership. This team has talent. A GM and new coaching staff is needed. Sadly, I don't think Bowlen will ever fire the Mastermind.

[Finger Roll]

This isn't just a one game loss...this is getting completely and utterly owned and embarrassed by the Patriots on Monday night football and the coaching staff having 2 weeks to prepare for a subpar Dolphins team at home. This was the performance they gave us...sorry Shanny and staff need to go.

and getting embarrassed against the chefs of all teams. Not to mention losing to the 3-5 Jaguars who just lost to the Bengals

[rastaman]

I don't think we need to get rid of Shanahan but bring in a GM or a defensive specialist who knows how to pick defensive talent.

I agree, Denver or Bowlen needs to look no further than the NFC East for their GM. Dallas, NYG, Wash, and the Eagles all have stout Defenses and GM's who know how to spot talent.

[fontaine]

Oh every one relax!
Shanny doesnt need to go.

Bowlen simply must get a GM to run this team. PERIOD.
Shanny cant do it. never could.

MIKE MAYOCK.
or someone with an eye like Parcells for talent.
Their are other constructive options than ranting like a bunch of whiny
b!tche$, guys.


Exactly. We've got a great set of young guys who show up every week to play including the OL, Cutler and WRs, TEs, FB, Kickers, and the DL has been improving, plus Champ and DJ. Winborn is pretty good at the strong side as well.

This isnt rocket science, a good GM and DC can come into the team in the offseason and bring in some of the missing parts like a MLB, a couple of safeties and implement a scheme from day one rather than changing it up every week.

You see it happen EVERY year with several teams.

[broncofan7]

and getting embarrassed against the chefs of all teams. Not to mention losing to the 3-5 Jaguars who just lost to the Bengals

Very true--when decision making is a no lose proposition, you are in effect, not the best you can be.

[Rohirrim]

Exactly. We've got a great set of young guys who show up every week to play including the OL, Cutler and WRs, TEs, FB, Kickers, and the DL has been improving, plus Champ and DJ. Winborn is pretty good at the strong side as well.

This isnt rocket science, a good GM and DC can come into the team in the offseason and bring in some of the missing parts like a MLB, a couple of safeties and implement a scheme from day one rather than changing it up every week.

You see it happen EVERY year with several teams.

Are there DCs left in the league we haven't tried? :rofl:

Well, hell yes, let's bring 'em in and give 'em a shot.

[SlipperyPete]

YEAH, MAN!! A 26-17 LOSS IS SIMPLY UNACCEPTABLE!!! 4-4 IS AN EMBARRASSMENT! A 3RD YEAR QB WITH A GUNSLINGER MENTALITY THROWING 3 PICKS?!? SHANAHAN SHOULD RETIRE!!!

This place is a ****ing joke. I'm out for the week. I can't stand it here anymore. It's overreaction at its worst. One pick and Cutler is a bust. One TD and he's Elway. One loss and the ownership needs to clean house. Not but 3 weeks ago, we were creme of the crop in the eyes of most of this board. You people talk about how we rebuilt in a year, how when we drafted Cutler, we begun rebuilding. We are still in a rebuilding phase. Admittedly, it's going way better than expected, and we should still win the division, but **** like this is going to happen.

Fire Shanahan? What a joke.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1284/bagdadboblargepj2.gif

Everything's fine in Broncos land! Nothing to see here!

[rastaman]

I vote for as few mediocre seasons as possible. Leadership is lacking. Time to get better leadership. This team has talent. A GM and new coaching staff is needed. Sadly, I don't think Bowlen will ever fire the Mastermind.

You don't need to fire Shanny, Bowlen needs to find a GM who can build a denfensive team. The offense is fine under Shanahan now that there's a Franchise QB. Denver's achilles heel has always been its porous Defense. Bowlen needs to pull coach Shanahan aside and tell him to concentrate on the offensive side of the ball.....ONLY.

[Bronx33]

How long do we have to lose before you jump on the wagon? Time to move on without Shanny. In fact, I think it would be noble of him to resign. He has to be embarrassed.


Take a look at past seasons/history and take a closer look at the losing your claiming about i think your spoiled and this thread confirms it.

[fontaine]

Are there DCs left in the league we haven't tried? :rofl:

Well, hell yes, let's bring 'em in and give 'em a shot.

I'll tell you the God's honest truth. I would give up a first day draft pick to bring back Larry Coyer.

[TheReverend]

Can't the "kill everyone" and "fire so-and-so" threads wait till we're at least #2 in the division?

[Denver724]

The thing that bothers me about this team is lack of passion. Brandon Marshall has passion but it seems like everybody else just goes through he motions. Is a change at the top needed? I don't know. How many assistant head coaches do we have this year?

The league is trending to young coaches with passion. Is that our future? We shall see. I'll still cheer for the Broncos every Sunday but the Denver Broncos football organization is a winning organization with classy fans and this type of play won't work for much longer.

Great point! Did you see the passion Sparano had on the sideline? WOW! Really into the performance of his players. He looks to have great leadership qualities. That is why he is getting the most out of a team that went 1-15 last year.

[Traveler]

Look at ATL. They tore down their team this offseason and are getting better each week.

Just the opposite for us.

I want some fire brimstone coaches!

[Broncojef]

You don't need to fire Shanny, Bowlen needs to find a GM who can build a denfensive team. The offense is fine under Shanahan now that there's a Franchise QB. Denver's achilles heel has always been its porous Defense. Bowlen needs to pull coach Shanahan aside and tell him to concentrate on the offensive side of the ball.....ONLY.

All you guys saying all we need is a GM need to ask yourself what excatly would the GM provide to our gameplan? I'm fairly confident we were the more talented offensive team out there today and we still looked terrible. A GM has nothing to do with a failed gameplan. Look at Hillis for Christ sake, how is a kid that talented sitting on the bench for 7 games? Do you really think Shanny will stand pat as a new GM is brought in? The answer is NO! If you want a new GM you will get a new head coach period. There is no way Shanny stays onboard in a diminished role. I've seen enough of this broken record.

[Denver724]

Take a look at past seasons/history and take a closer look at the losing your claiming about i think your spoiled and this thread confirms it.

I have. The team has not reached their goal since Elway left. I think Parcells once said that a coach loses his effectiveness after 8-9 years. It is time for a change.

[DenverFanMan6]

I vote either cowher or spagnolli for head coach at this point we need some motivation

[Rohirrim]

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1284/bagdadboblargepj2.gif

Everything's fine in Broncos land! Nothing to see here!

:thumbs:

[Traveler]

All you guys saying all we need is a GM need to ask yourself what excatly would the GM provide to our gameplan? I'm fairly confident we were the more talented offensive team out there today and we still looked terrible. A GM has nothing to do with a failed gameplan. Look at Hillis for Christ sake, how is a kid that talented sitting on the bench for 7 games? Do you really think Shanny will stand pat as a new GM is brought in? The answer is NO! If you want a new GM you will get a new head coach period. There is no way Shanny stays onboard in a diminished role. I've seen enough of this broken record.

If he can't handle not being in total control, let him walk. This teams personality is too much like him. Passionless and unemotional!

[Rohirrim]

bye bye--A very vagina like move for you indeed. Is that what you do in the rest of your life? Run away when things get tough and people say things to you that you don't want to hear....go get some vagisil

Man, you just rag on women wherever you go. Might want to get that looked at. Unresolved issues with your feminine side, no doubt.

[broncofan2438]

AHAHAHAHA, first thing that needs to go is Shanny

[lazarus4444]

Great point! Did you see the passion Sparano had on the sideline? WOW! Really into the performance of his players. He looks to have great leadership qualities. That is why he is getting the most out of a team that went 1-15 last year.


I'll be honest, i was jealous of the Dolphins. They truly are headed in the opposite direction than the Broncos are going. I was jealous that they have the tuna as their GM and a head coach who really looks like he cares. Not saying shanny doesn't care, but their coach shows it. I personally would like to have our DC & OC show some passion. Everybody on our sideline is dead, its getting annoying. Where is the excitability?

[CBF1]

You should all die for this kind of talk. Shanny is god. I bet he suits up next week and plays Qb and Free safety, Denver by 64

[yavoon]

You should all die for this kind of talk. Shanny is god. I bet he suits up next week and plays Qb and Free safety, Denver by 64

bring him in, shanny could break off 2k in....his system.

[fido]

Oh every one relax!
Shanny doesnt need to go.

Bowlen simply must get a GM to run this team. PERIOD.
Shanny cant do it. never could.

MIKE MAYOCK.
or someone with an eye like Parcells for talent.
Their are other constructive options than ranting like a bunch of whiny
b!tche$, guys.

Mike Mayock would be fantastic, however I really doubt two heads that large could work together.

[fido]

All you guys saying all we need is a GM need to ask yourself what excatly would the GM provide to our gameplan? I'm fairly confident we were the more talented offensive team out there today and we still looked terrible. A GM has nothing to do with a failed gameplan. Look at Hillis for Christ sake, how is a kid that talented sitting on the bench for 7 games? Do you really think Shanny will stand pat as a new GM is brought in? The answer is NO! If you want a new GM you will get a new head coach period. There is no way Shanny stays onboard in a diminished role. I've seen enough of this broken record.

agree with your assesment that shanny would not tolerate a diminished role.

[HEAV]

Need a GM first, then a head coach. Too many yes men in Dove Valley.


Shanny is turning into AL Davis.

[tsiguy96]

broncos have lost 4 of the last 5 games. can someone explain to me how the sky is NOT falling?

[TDmvp]

broncos have lost 4 of the last 5 games. can someone explain to me how the sky is NOT falling?

Date of Birth:
May 1, 1982
Age:
26

[tsiguy96]

Date of Birth:
May 1, 1982
Age:
26

thats not my bday. and i dont see how its relevant. 15 turnovers in 4 games is it? havent scored over 19 points in the last 5 games. 5 rushing yards today? how is the sky not falling, and how is everything working just fine? we have not done ANYTHING good, even pass protection is going down hill.

[Rock Chalk]

The only change I really want to see concerning Mike Shanahan right now is that he reliquish all other responsibilities he has except as Head Coach.

Its too much work to do well for any one person no matter how good that person may be at any single one of the tasks or all of them collectively. The workload is too much and that causes poor decisions based on lack of time to make a proper decision in any one area.

Mike Shanahan as a head coach would be fantastic. Mike Shanahan as Supreme God is a disaster.

I do believe it is time for Pat Bowlen to let Mike Shanahan asa VP of Football operations go. If he cannot take the decreased authority, then he should be allowed to seek employment elsewhere. It will set this team back, sure, but quite frankly a true rebuilding job would be better than what I see right now. A team in limbo, unable to find any heart or compassion consistently and unable to find defensive coaching and/or personell to fit whatever identity we may discover.

[Meck77]

Bill Cowher anyone?

.623 all time winning %
9 division championships
1 SB victory

Maybe as a GM? Yeah he's retired but money talks. This morning he was yapping about what great friends he and Shanny are.

[Rohirrim]

Bill Cowher anyone?

.623 all time winning %
9 division championships
1 SB victory

Maybe as a GM? Yeah he's retired but money talks. This morning he was yapping about what great friends he and Shanny are.

I hate Cowher. I couldn't stand to see that jaw, that spitting, slobbering, screaming freak running up and down the Broncos' sidelines. I say give Jim Schwartz a shot at HC. He's doing great things with the Titans. He started under Bellychick.

[Rock Chalk]

Baltimore's DC.

I think with him as HC and Bates as OC he could get the right coaching in here on the defense to make this team pretty damn scary in two years.

[Circle Orange]

While it's nice to take comfort knowing that the Raiders, Chiefs, and Lions have it worse it hardly does anything to improve this team. I don't know if there's an easy solution, but could it really be simpler than what we're making? What if it is time for Shanahan to go elsewhere? What about the staff? I still have no idea what this team is capable of, week to week. They have individual pieces but aren't strong where they need to be. It's like a hippo having bird legs...the strengths and weaknesses are badly matched and make a mess of a team.

[rugbythug]

Lets Hire Bill Parcells

Of Course he Is **** without LT.

Elway was a 3 time loser with out Shanny.

Our QB has played like crap for the last 3 weeks. I am pretty sure 3 three picks was not in the Game plan.

[enjolras]

Lets Hire Bill Parcells

Of Course he Is **** without LT.

Elway was a 3 time loser with out Shanny.

Our QB has played like crap for the last 3 weeks. I am pretty sure 3 three picks was not in the Game plan.

Every stop Parcells has been at his teams have been winners. Look at the Parcells team in today's game... one looked like a team on the rise, one looked like a team that is completely 100% lost.

Parcells built a really nice team in Dallas, if Jerry Jones wasn't in charge to screw it up (he brought in T.O. over Parcells objections, now Tank and Pacman finish the job). The Jets where a very solid team when Parcells left. That guy gets how to build teams that can compete physically in the NFL. Shannahan hasn't seemed to be able to do that (although the offensive line pickups in the last two years have been very good). This team can't compete physically with other teams.

The NFL is a much more physical league since Shannahan has been competitive. Small, fast lines and defenses have given way to teams that can dominate physically. I'm not convinced Shannahan can be effective in that league.

[NFLBRONCO]

Let's look at this honestly will Shanny

1. Give up all his hats NO
2. Hire Asst coaches with better resumes NO
3. Shanny retire NO
4. Hire someone good to help draft D NO

I'd want a motivator HC type next whenever it happens down the road.

[Garcia Bronco]

How long do we have to lose before you jump on the wagon? Time to move on without Shanny. In fact, I think it would be noble of him to resign. He has to be embarrassed.

It's not the game plans. It's the player's failure to execute most of the time. The players will tell you as much.

[Garcia Bronco]

Instead of a stupid non-informative post like this backed up by all the time you've wasted on this forum (tens of thousands of posts) why don't you instead come up with what the Broncos need? Or tell the OP why you don't think Shanny should go. Or why you don't think the entire organization from top to bottom needs to be purged and start over.

The announcers were right, both teams are 4-4 but the Fins are heading up and the Broncos down. How many more mediocre seasons must we endure? NFL stands for Not For Long, meaning what have you done for me lately>? Not what have you done for me 10 years ago.


All I am saying is you can't fire the coach because the players fail to execute. Shanahan didn't drop 6 balls. Shanahan didn't throw into coverage. Get over it. Shanahan didn't fail to beat his man in the run game. Your and theop's expectations are way off for a rebuilt o-line, a QB with 2 years of starts under his belt, and a generally inexperienced young team. I don't have to explain these things because it's effing obvious.

[Rohirrim]

All I am saying is you can't fire the coach because the players fail to execute. Shanahan didn't drop 6 balls. Shanahan didn't throw into coverage. Get over it. Shanahan didn't fail to beat his man in the run game. Your and theop's expectations are way off for a rebuilt o-line, a QB with 2 years of starts under his belt, and a generally inexperienced young team. I don't have to explain these things because it's effing obvious.

When a team has had the same issues year after year after year, it's the coach.

[Garcia Bronco]

Another thing. We have a GM. Get over it.

[brncobrett]

This isn't just a one game loss...this is getting completely and utterly owned and embarrassed by the Patriots on Monday night football and the coaching staff having 2 weeks to prepare for a subpar Dolphins team at home. This was the performance they gave us...sorry Shanny and staff need to go.

I agree with this statement 100%:thumbsup:

[Popps]

All I am saying is you can't fire the coach because the players fail to execute. Shanahan didn't drop 6 balls. Shanahan didn't throw into coverage. G.

I'm fairly sure you CAN fire a coach for a team executing poorly. In fact, I'm fairly sure that's WHY coaches get fired.

We can talk about Cutler's poor throws, but who's coaching the guy? Who's putting in the game plan? Who's choosing to make him throw on every down?
Who's fault is it that this team ran for something like 20 combined yards yesterday? Are those flukes, too?

We can cherry-pick a few mistakes and pretend Shanahan is absolved of any culpability, but it's just an exercise in futility.

Teams are a reflection of their coach. We've been looking at this same reflection for a long time.

[Broncomutt]

All I am saying is you can't fire the coach because the players fail to execute.


LOL Wow.....

[Garcia Bronco]

When a team has had the same issues year after year after year, it's the coach.

We don't have the same issues year in and out. It's not the coach, it's slackass mindless fans that can't find their arse with either hand.

[bronco militia]

We don't have the same issues year in and out. It's not the coach, it's slackass mindless fans that can't find their arse with either hand.

the Broncos defense has been piss poor forever

[Garcia Bronco]

We can talk about Cutler's poor throws, but who's coaching the guy? Who's putting in the game plan? Who's choosing to make him throw on every down?
Who's fault is it that this team ran for something like 20 combined yards yesterday? Are those flukes, too?

We can cherry-pick a few mistakes and pretend Shanahan is absolved of any culpability, but it's just an exercise in futility.

Teams are a reflection of their coach. We've been looking at this same reflection for a long time.

All are a reflection of the players failure to execute. We throw more because the players fall to execute the running game. Cutler makes poor decisions because he's still wet behind the ears. We are out almost more than a half dozen players. But it's the coaches fault. Get over it

This just in. I wonder why we didn't run more yesterday. Effing clowns.

"The Broncos announced on Monday that two running backs will be placed on IR. Andre Hall (left hand) and Michael Pittman (neck) were both placed on the reserve/injured list. Both players were injured during Denver’s game against Miami on Sunday.

Pittman has been the starter at running back for the past three games, and his 320 yards on 76 carries leads the team. He has also caught 10 passes for 112 yards. He has been into the endzone four times on the ground. Pittman is an 11-year pro who has seen time in all eight games this season.

Hall, who averaged 4.9 yards per carry in 2007, has rushed 35 times for 144 yards this season. He has also caught three passes for 25 yards and returned 21 kickoffs for an average of 22.3 yards per return. In his second year with the Broncos, Hall has seen time in all eight games this season.

The Broncos also signed Matthias Askew to the practice squad. Askew is a third-year defensive tackle who joins the Broncos’ practice squad after competing in the Redskins’ 2008 training camp. Selected by Cincinnati in the fourth round of the 2004 NFL Draft, Askew has appeared in six career games — all with the Bengals — and owns six tackles along with one forced fumble.
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[Garcia Bronco]

the Broncos defense has been piss poor forever

In 2005, it was pretty good. Got us to the AFC Championship. If we ditch the cover 2 I think we'd be more effective.

[brncobrett]

We don't have the same issues year in and out. It's not the coach, it's slackass mindless fans that can't find their arse with either hand.

You've got to be kidding me right? I have orange colored glasses too but let's be realistic here. We do have the same problems every year ie def line,no pressure on qb's,qb's that get lost in the middle of every season,rb's that are good for about 6 games a year.I could go on. These things do happen every year...

[Kaylore]

Atlanta had the pieces in place, they just had to work out the lunacy at QB.

Unless we can get Parcells, it's not going to do much good. Miami is a product of the best football man in the world. He has such an incredible eye for talent (overlooked talent at that).

No. They unloaded all of their key players. Gone are Hall, Kearney, Crumpler and Dunn. They unloaded it all and kept the young ones and they have things turned around. Addition by subtraction.

[Broncoman13]

Ya know... I wonder if Marty Schottenhiemer (sp?) and Shanny could co-exist? I'm a fan of Shanny. Probably always will be and certainly think of him as a HOF HC. But he's grown stale in Denver. He's no longer motivating our players and he's shown his lack of ability when it comes to picking defensive talent, both in player personnel and coaching personnel. Our Defensive coaches are not exactly a collection of who's who of NFL Coaching talents.

Sadly, I think it's time for a change. I don't like Bill Cowher but he might be a solution. He would improve our defense and he's smart enough to bring in an OC and allow that OC to run the offense. Offensively, I think we have the pieces in place to be a very strong contending team. Cutler, Marshall, Harris, Clady, Kuper, Royal, Scheff/Graham, and maybe Hillis at FB are all franchise pieces that you can certainly build around.

On defense, it is necessary to hire a defensive minded head coach at this point. Similarly to what the Colts did with Dungy. Peyton and the offense were in good hands, but it was time to focus on the defense. Dungy doesn't do much with the offense rather he focuses his efforts on the defense and the personnel decisions are focused on players that fit his style. Cowher could do the same thing. Bring in an offensive coordinator that you trust to keep things growing and then a defensive coordinator that understands your style. I would think a Mike Nolan type would be very interested in building another mean defense, this time under Cowher.

Finally, I really don't like the idea of getting rid of Shanny but he's not getting the job done. He just doesn't understand defense. It's not like people haven't been screaming for his head for two or three years now. It's sad, but outside of Denver he's kind of a "has-been" at this point. Plain and simple, when guys like Stink, Tom Jackson, and Shannon Sharpe are all in agreement that we are not a good team, it's time to face the music. Shanny isn't gonna bring in a big name DC and I don't think he would be open to bringing in a guy like Marty to be a GM...

[Broncomutt]

We don't have the same issues year in and out. It's not the coach, it's slackass mindless fans that can't find their arse with either hand.

Now it's the fansfault the Broncos are struggling?????? Uhh

Is your real name Kyle...???

[Garcia Bronco]

No. They unloaded all of their key players. Gone are Hall, Kearney, Crumpler and Dunn. They unloaded it all and kept the young ones and they have things turned around. Addition by subtraction.

That and Matt Ryan is a pretty good QB.

[Garcia Bronco]

Now it's the fansfault the Broncos are struggling?????? Uhh

Is your real name Kyle...???

If that's what you came away with from my post then there you go.

[Garcia Bronco]

You've got to be kidding me right? I have orange colored glasses too but let's be realistic here. We do have the same problems every year ie def line,no pressure on qb's,qb's that get lost in the middle of every season,rb's that are good for about 6 games a year.I could go on. These things do happen every year...

No you couldn't go on with anything of substance. You guys come up with the most ridiculous crap every year the team struggles. The QB isn't lost, he's young and has barely two years of starts under his belt. We get pressure, it's just hard when the ball is gone after 2-3 seconds with no jam at the line or a bump. In 2005, we got pressure all the time. RB's get injured. There is a reson their average career is 4 seasons. What are we down to now? Our 4th and 5th RB? You guys expect more of what this team is capable of at this point of the arc. We are a team on the rise. It's just hard when you lose over half a dozen starters.

[Broncoman13]

GB, do you think that a lot of teams don't lose several starters?

We need some help on this team and it's in the motivation department. Shanny hasn't got these guys ready to play in nearly a month. The DBs liked Slowik but not they too are turning on him. What can Shanny do now? He hand picked his guy in Slowik. Now he has to live or die by his pick... looks like dying is the product by the way.

[Garcia Bronco]

GB, do you think that a lot of teams don't lose several starters?

We need some help on this team and it's in the motivation department. Shanny hasn't got these guys ready to play in nearly a month. The DBs liked Slowik but not they too are turning on him. What can Shanny do now? He hand picked his guy in Slowik. Now he has to live or die by his pick... looks like dying is the product by the way.

We've lost more than several.

They were ready to play yesterday and the defense, while they did allow a late drive, played very well. Least we forget our QB threw 3 int's, one went for 6, and his passing was off early. Plus we couldn't run the ball because of injury. We shutdown their wildcat offense completely and utterly. We got pressure on the QB and shut down their running game. If Marshall doesn't get called for PI we win the game and inspite all of that we were in position to win the game.

[JJG]

thats not my bday. and i dont see how its relevant. 15 turnovers in 4 games is it? havent scored over 19 points in the last 5 games. 5 rushing yards today? how is the sky not falling, and how is everything working just fine? we have not done ANYTHING good, even pass protection is going down hill.

WOW, overreact much? You are ridiculous.... I do believe we actually had 14 rushing yards...

[Rohirrim]

We don't have the same issues year in and out. It's not the coach, it's slackass mindless fans that can't find their arse with either hand.

That's some in depth analysis: It's the fans! Excellent! Now we know all we have to do is clear out Mile High and haul in a bunch of new fans and the Broncos will start winning again. !Booya!

[Taco John]

Shanahan isn't going anywhere.

[orinjkrush]

shannyman has demonstrated that he is an amazing x and o OC
he has also demonstrated that he can't run D and ST
will he step back like he asked Coyer to do?
doubt it

[Garcia Bronco]

That's some in depth analysis: It's the fans! Excellent! Now we know all we have to do is clear out Mile High and haul in a bunch of new fans and the Broncos will start winning again. !Booya!

Again, if you come away with that interpretation then that's on you. I was talking about the Fan's problems.

[Ironlung]

We don't have the same issues year in and out. It's not the coach, it's slackass mindless fans that can't find their arse with either hand.

Here's an issue we have EVERY year. Start off hot looking like a good team and ****ing fold EVERY YEAR. Can't argue that one, its a fact.

[Garcia Bronco]

Here's an issue we have EVERY year. Start of hot looking like a good team and ****ing fold EVERY YEAR. Can't argue that one, its a fact.

Agreed. But you can't take this game and translate it to all other seasons or this seasons to those all those seasons and claim that's the same factor everytime. We are beat up and averaging 3 turnovers a game with a young QB. It doesn't matter who the coach is right now. The Players, the ones on the field, aren't protecting the ball.

[Atwater His Ass]

Ya know... I wonder if Marty Schottenhiemer (sp?) and Shanny could co-exist? I'm a fan of Shanny. Probably always will be and certainly think of him as a HOF HC. But he's grown stale in Denver. He's no longer motivating our players and he's shown his lack of ability when it comes to picking defensive talent, both in player personnel and coaching personnel. Our Defensive coaches are not exactly a collection of who's who of NFL Coaching talents.

Sadly, I think it's time for a change. I don't like Bill Cowher but he might be a solution. He would improve our defense and he's smart enough to bring in an OC and allow that OC to run the offense. Offensively, I think we have the pieces in place to be a very strong contending team. Cutler, Marshall, Harris, Clady, Kuper, Royal, Scheff/Graham, and maybe Hillis at FB are all franchise pieces that you can certainly build around.

On defense, it is necessary to hire a defensive minded head coach at this point. Similarly to what the Colts did with Dungy. Peyton and the offense were in good hands, but it was time to focus on the defense. Dungy doesn't do much with the offense rather he focuses his efforts on the defense and the personnel decisions are focused on players that fit his style. Cowher could do the same thing. Bring in an offensive coordinator that you trust to keep things growing and then a defensive coordinator that understands your style. I would think a Mike Nolan type would be very interested in building another mean defense, this time under Cowher.

Finally, I really don't like the idea of getting rid of Shanny but he's not getting the job done. He just doesn't understand defense. It's not like people haven't been screaming for his head for two or three years now. It's sad, but outside of Denver he's kind of a "has-been" at this point. Plain and simple, when guys like Stink, Tom Jackson, and Shannon Sharpe are all in agreement that we are not a good team, it's time to face the music. Shanny isn't gonna bring in a big name DC and I don't think he would be open to bringing in a guy like Marty to be a GM...

Shanahan isn't going anywhere, but this is one the best "what if" posts I've seen in awhile on the subject.

You could proably leave the offense in Bates' hands, and let a guy like Cowher come in and fix the defense.

On some level, it's too bad that Shanahan is past the point of no return in so far as stepping down to an OC role and letting someone else come in and take over HC duties or that a guy like Cowher won't (and I wouldn't if I was him either) come in as a DC. It would be something if we could get rid of the dead weight on this coaching staff, and have a true offensive and defensive guy in Shanahan and Cowher working together to fix this mess.

I don't think that Shanahan and Marty could co-exist though. Although at this point, it can't really get any worse.

[rmsanger]

The problem with this team is that is lacks the fundamental skills to play football. We've got great skill positions but lacks the basics. e.g. poor tackling, poor downfield blocks (Royal's block in the back), QB not checking down, TE routes, DE run support, Safety run support....

[Rohirrim]

Shanahan isn't going anywhere.

That's for sure. I'm having Reeves deja vu all over again.

[Broncojef]

Shanahan isn't going anywhere.

Funny thing is you could say the same thing about the Broncos. Unlike most here I don't think shanny is some X's and O's genius. To the contrary he looked great with the teams of 97, 98, 99 because of the talent and continually now gets outcoached. His motivation of players, play calls, GM duties, and mismanagement of putting the wrong person in a different position (ie Larsen at Fullback) or simply not playing a talent like Hillis for 7 weeks because he is in some dog house is boardering lunacy. Thankfully I think after another rough season this year even Shanny will want to call it quits.

[Atwater His Ass]

And Bill Walsh sucked because he had Joe Montana, amirite?

[mattbeymvp]

And Bill Walsh sucked because he had Joe Montana, amirite?

Bill Walsh took Stanford to a top ten finish after he left the Niners.

Shanahan has done nothing without Elway.

You know nothing about football.

[Garcia Bronco]

Bill Walsh took Stanford to a top ten finish after he left the Niners.

Shanahan has done nothing without Elway.

You know nothing about football.

Except go to the AFCCG.

[NFLBRONCO]

Ya know... I wonder if Marty Schottenhiemer (sp?) and Shanny could co-exist? I'm a fan of Shanny. Probably always will be and certainly think of him as a HOF HC. But he's grown stale in Denver. He's no longer motivating our players and he's shown his lack of ability when it comes to picking defensive talent, both in player personnel and coaching personnel. Our Defensive coaches are not exactly a collection of who's who of NFL Coaching talents.

Sadly, I think it's time for a change. I don't like Bill Cowher but he might be a solution. He would improve our defense and he's smart enough to bring in an OC and allow that OC to run the offense. Offensively, I think we have the pieces in place to be a very strong contending team. Cutler, Marshall, Harris, Clady, Kuper, Royal, Scheff/Graham, and maybe Hillis at FB are all franchise pieces that you can certainly build around.

On defense, it is necessary to hire a defensive minded head coach at this point. Similarly to what the Colts did with Dungy. Peyton and the offense were in good hands, but it was time to focus on the defense. Dungy doesn't do much with the offense rather he focuses his efforts on the defense and the personnel decisions are focused on players that fit his style. Cowher could do the same thing. Bring in an offensive coordinator that you trust to keep things growing and then a defensive coordinator that understands your style. I would think a Mike Nolan type would be very interested in building another mean defense, this time under Cowher.

Finally, I really don't like the idea of getting rid of Shanny but he's not getting the job done. He just doesn't understand defense. It's not like people haven't been screaming for his head for two or three years now. It's sad, but outside of Denver he's kind of a "has-been" at this point. Plain and simple, when guys like Stink, Tom Jackson, and Shannon Sharpe are all in agreement that we are not a good team, it's time to face the music. Shanny isn't gonna bring in a big name DC and I don't think he would be open to bringing in a guy like Marty to be a GM...

Excellent Post I think you nailed my feelings on Shanny and changes the Org truly needs.

[Beantown Bronco]

Shanahan has done nothing without Elway.

You know nothing about football.

Like Garcia said: AFCCG when they were clearly NOT the second most talented team in the conference.

And look no further than Plummer. I think it's safe to say he performed miracles with a guy that, up until that point, largely stunk.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Shanahan's legacy is a curious one...he's won 2 Lombardis which gives him the automatic pass from Bowlen. I wonder had we not stumbled upon TD in the 6th round if he would still be coaching in Denver at this point. My feeling on that is...no...he'd be gone by now. Ten years with nothing but a single playoff win...96.875% of the coaches in the NFL would have been shown the door by now if they went this long following exactly the same script year after year with exactly the same predictable results. The other 3.125% is Shanahan, who has a situation no other coach in the league has, courtesy of Pat Bowlen's eternal gratitude for delivering 2 titles. I have to believe that even Bowlen has limits to his patience. Would he, let say...keep Shanahan if he went 2-14 for three straight years? I can't see it.

[NFLBRONCO]

Like Garcia said: AFCCG when they were clearly NOT the second most talented team in the conference.

And look no further than Plummer. I think it's safe to say he performed miracles with a guy that, up until that point, largely stunk.


Remember in 05 we played alot of TB offenses not high powered ones so it covered up our weaknesses until Pitt exposed them.

[NFLBRONCO]

Shanahan's legacy is a curious one...he's won 2 Lombardis which gives him the automatic pass from Bowlen. I wonder had we not stumbled upon TD in the 6th round if he would still be coaching in Denver at this point. My feeling on that is...no...he'd be gone by now. Ten years with nothing but a single playoff win...96.875% of the coaches in the NFL would have been shown the door by now if they went this long following exactly the same script year after year with exactly the same predictable results. The other 3.125% is Shanahan, who has a situation no other coach in the league has, courtesy of Pat Bowlen's eternal gratitude for delivering 2 titles. I have to believe that even Bowlen has limits to his patience. Would he, let say...keep Shanahan if he went 2-14 for three straight years? I can't see it.

Let's be honest the rings give all coaches a longer leash. I do think by now our team should be alot closer to SB calibur then it is presently. Due to lots of dumb moves bad drafts and yes men assts that really have no lattitude to do their jobs. Shanny forgets that not only did TD help Elway get rings but, one of the best group of assts coaches helped alot too. Ego has gotten in the way of common sense with Shanny. In this way he is like Al Davis what good DC would want a job here but, we need a guy that knows D talent.

[broncofan7]

What Shanahan has yet to prove is that he can win with YOUTH. In SF he had a veteran offense to coordinate, in denver he had a veteran team to coach. In 2005 he had a veteran team to coach---We are a very young team that essentially fell apart last year and now this year it is looking like the same thing is about to occur...I am not convinced that Shanny can coach a young team..he strikes me as a professorial tactician, not a motivator, which is what young guys tend to repsond to better. I do not think Shanny lasts more than through the 2009 season.

[Beantown Bronco]

Remember in 05 we played alot of TB offenses not high powered ones so it covered up our weaknesses until Pitt exposed them.

They faced the following offenses that year:

#1 twice (KC)
#4 (Giants)
#7 (NE)
#10 twice (SD)
#11 (Washington)
#13 (Dallas)
#14 (Miami)
#15 (Jags)

10 games against top 15 offenses. Hardly what I would call a weak schedule.

[Circle Orange]

Denny Green?

Scorched earth, baby...scorched earth. Tear the mother down, then build it up. Hilarious!

[Bronx33]

Bill Walsh took Stanford to a top ten finish after he left the Niners.

Shanahan has done nothing without Elway.

You know nothing about football.



I wonder how shanahan stacks up to other coaches during his coaching career is there a coach out there that has success with every single player/team he coached? You make it sound like it's possiable to have winning seasons each and every year no matter what talent is placed before him. Sure people want to make the playoffs every year but man you make it sound like it's an easy thing to do. Fact is we have had 2 losing seasons since elway left ( 2 ) and that's not good enough? try being a lions fan and see how bad it really can be just to put it in perspective. And catching lightning in a bottle isn't easy last time i checked we have it pretty good if you ask me and finally this team is going through a rough stretch and some fans simply don't have the patience to deal with it.

[Cito Pelon]

I wonder how shanahan stacks up to other coaches during his coaching career is there a coach out there that has success with every single player/team he coached? You make it sound like it's possiable to have winning seasons each and every year no matter what talent is placed before him. Sure people want to make the playoffs every year but man you make it sound like it's an easy thing to do. Fact is we have had 2 losing seasons since elway left ( 2 ) and that's not good enough? try being a lions fan and see how bad it really can be just to put it in perspective. And catching lightning in a bottle isn't easy last time i checked we have it pretty good if you ask me and finally this team is going through a rough stretch and some fans simply don't have the patience to deal with it.

The big deal to me is one AFC West Title since 1998. KC and Seattle have matched that. Oak and SD have combined for six AFC West titles since then, with four different head coaches. You can talk about winning records all you want, but I think a good HC wins some Divisional titles.

I've said many, many a time since '99 there's plenty of guys that can do just as well as Shanahan at HC. He's not really all that special. I've thought for many a year that he's over his head as an HC, his best fit is OC.

[NFLBRONCO]

They faced the following offenses that year:

#1 twice (KC)
#4 (Giants)
#7 (NE)
#10 twice (SD)
#11 (Washington)
#13 (Dallas)
#14 (Miami)
#15 (Jags)

10 games against top 15 offenses. Hardly what I would call a weak schedule.

Thanks for the list maybe I was wrong. I could have sworn that I felt we played alot of struggling or banged up teams when we played them.

[Atwater His Ass]

Bill Walsh took Stanford to a top ten finish after he left the Niners.

Shanahan has done nothing without Elway.

You know nothing about football.

k

[broncofan7]

It's time.

[Denver724]

Woody must read the Mane.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_10899875

Impeach Shanahan?
By Woody Paige
The Denver Post
Article Last Updated: 11/05/2008 01:12:42 AM MST

Mike Shanahan is 20-20 in his last 40 games. His contract runs through 2011, so he appears to have job security. (Tim Rasmussen, The Denver Post )

The Broncos' final eight games are a referendum on Mike Shanahan.

If the Broncos fail to win the division or six more games, the landslide vote on the executive vice president of football operations/de facto general manager/head coach will be a resounding "No!"

James II, Edward IV, Henry VI and Charles X were understood to be Kings for Life, too, but they ended up abdicating or being deposed. Many other rulers also named in the manner of Super Bowls, who never intended to leave the throne, were summarily dismissed, some rather rudely.

Nothing in life is permanent, even for Kings for Life.

Tom Landry was fired after a 36-43 record in his final five seasons. Chuck Noll retired after three seasons of 9-7, 9-7 and 7-9. Don Shula went 9-7, 10-6, 9-7 and pulled out before being pushed.

Shanahan is 20-20 over his past 40 games. The Broncos have won only 13 of their past 31 games (and four victories were on a blown referee's whistle, two blown field goals, a blown extra point and a fumble at the beginning of overtime).

With the loss to Miami this past Sunday, the Broncos are 8-11 in November and December from 2006-08.

Since advancing to the AFC championship in 2005, the defense and its players and the coordinators and their schemes have been blamed for the Broncos' mediocrity and failure to return to the playoffs.

But the Broncos' offense has scored fewer than 21 points in 24 of 40 games. Twenty- four!

Shanahan repeatedly has been called an offensive genius.

Is he a has-been offensive genius?

Has the league caught up to him, or have the Broncos' free-agent signings, their trades, their drafts, their released players, their injuries, their lack of leadership on and off the field, their preparation and their game plans just cost him?

Shanahan is the greatest coach the Broncos have ever had, and he should be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, but will he be the man for the job in Denver if the Broncos keep losing in the second half of the season — with trips to Cleveland (Thursday night), Atlanta, New York (Jets), Carolina and San Diego and Buffalo at home? The Falcons, the Jets and the Bills are no longer pop tarts. Neither was Miami. Rematches with Kansas City and Oakland here seem to be the only sure things.

Shanahan's contract runs through 2011. He is building a new house and has invested in a new restaurant that will carry his name, and he said before the season he wants to retire in Denver.

Pat Bowlen always has asserted he wants Shanahan to be his coach as long as he is the franchise owner, and he likely will never sell.

But Broncountry cannot stand another year of bad-to-the-bone Broncos.

The club's theme is "Denver Broncos — Winning Tradition." But that belief is beginning to wear as thin as the laughable Raiders slogan "Team of the Decades." It's not enough any more just to pound the pitiful Raiders.

The Broncos are 1-4 in playoff games in nine seasons. They have won nine or fewer games five times after the end of the Elway era, and 2008 now has all the earmarks of another eyesore.

First place is a farce.

Travis Henry, Dre Bly, Niko Koutouvides, Jarvis Moss, just to list a few, are notable recent busts.

Henry was the most despicable player in Denver's history, and a rundown runner. The Broncos haven't come up with a world-class running back since Clinton Portis was traded in 2004 — and managed the second worst rushing yardage (14) in franchise history on Sunday.

Bly is an expensive, common cornerback.

Koutouvides was supposed to be the club's next starting middle linebacker. He can't even get a mention on special teams.

Moss is a big bust, and Tim Crowder and Marcus Thomas, the other two defensive linemen chosen in the 2007 draft, have been ordinary (when not injured).

Veteran wide receivers Keary Colbert, Samie Parker and Darrell Jackson were signed as free agents in the offseason. Only Jackson remains, and he has six catches. The Broncos brought in the MM&MM safeties, Marquand Manuel and Marlon McCree. They play like candy M&M's.

Shanahan's had five defensive coordinators since he took over in 1995. The Broncos again are among the worst defensive teams in football, and for the past five games, they have been among the worst offensive teams in the NFL.

Shanahan has initiated, ordered, approved or signed off on every decision. The players, the assistants, the front-office staff, even the owner can be blamed, but, ultimately, the responsibility for the decline and fall of the Broncos' empire rests with three titled men — the executive director of football operations, the de facto general manager and the head coach. And they are one — Shanahan.

Four more defeats this season is unacceptable and intolerable.

If so, Shanahan has to know that he must go. A King for Life can't be .500.

[Ambiguous]

Time for a change. I don't care if we go into complete rebuilding, win 2 games a season mode - I just want to win games, eventually.

The current malaise that comes back just about every season to let me down has gone on long enough.