**** you refs!

[spdirty]

call the game down the ****ing middle. Your ****ing favoring the dolphins here, almost as bad as NBA refs. Just flat ****ing bullshlt.

[_Oro_]

Wtf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[enjolras]

There needs to be an alternative to the NFL. I am fully ready to support ANY alternative league provided it has a Denver franchise.

[spdirty]

that ****ing call cost us the game

[Dudeskey]

There needs to be an alternative to the NFL. I am fully ready to support ANY alternative league provided it has a Denver franchise.

Sure. College, or your local high school

[SDBroncos]

really really wow wtf that just ended this game ! these refs are horrible!

[enjolras]

Sure. College, or your local high school

Professional league... To be honest I find the way fans build up and tear down kids in both high school and college sort of sick. At least they should get paid for it.

[spdirty]

not a single ****ing penalty on them, with 12 minutes left. That never ever ever happens. And they cost us a touchdown.

[razorwire77]

Part of Goodell's and the league's continuing quest to have 30 8-8 teams, and 2 marquee teams with posterboy quarterbacks.

[DomCasual]

Bitching about the refs is lame.

[alchemize]

It's just Ed getting payback from San Diego...

[SoCalBronco]

that ****ing call cost us the game

It probably did.

I hope that official gets punched in the throat. I mean it. Where's Spider.

Punch him right in the ****ing adam's apple.

[lvwireman]

Bout f****** time they make a call against the dolphins

[Dagmar]

Nixon? LOL

[spdirty]

b****ing about the refs is lame.

except when they cost you the game.

[Killericon]

Nixon? LOL

My thoughts exactly.

[jmz313]

Next time Frat boy could handle it better and not throw into triple coverage 2 plays later.

[Sir_Robin]

I'm done. I promise not to spend another cent on the NFL until such time as they can field full time, competent officials. It makes me sick that I spent 300 dollars to watch games decided by non-players.

[The MVPlaya]

The refs did suck this game...

[Rohirrim]

That has got to be the most ****ing ridiculous inept bull**** officiating crew I've ever seen. If the crowd would have stormed the field and hung those pos I would have cheered them. I want to hear the worthless ****ing nfl explain this **** tomorrow. People are paying big money to attend these games and the games get decided by some worthless ****ing idiot ref? You've got to be kidding me.

[SoCalBronco]

That has got to be the most ****ing ridiculous inept bull**** officiating crew I've ever seen. If the crowd would have stormed the field and hung those pos I would have cheered them. I want to hear the worthless ****ing nfl explain this **** tomorrow. People are paying big money to attend these games and the games get decided by some worthless ****ing idiot ref? You've got to be kidding me.

That son of a bitch cost us our season, today. He cost us the whole ****ing season, Roh.

I truly wish Spider was in the stands for this game. God, I would have paid the travel and hotel and ticket costs myself. Put Spider at that ****ing game. Let him run the field and sock him right in the throat. I want Corriente on the ground grasping his crushed Adam's Apple. And it better ****ing be crushed. And I wish we would have ****ing stood up for ONCE against Joey mother ****ing Porter. SOMEONE HAVE SOME ****ING HEART. Just once, that bitch should have been on the ground writhing in pain. I'll take the 15 yards, I don't give a ****. I don't care if they suspended Clady. Make him pay. NO ONE acts like that on our field. No ****ing one.

[gyldenlove]

I have no respect for any of you ****heads!

If you blame the ref you are puppets and you all deserve the worst imaginable faith.

Slowick cost us this game with this defense:

http://fruitfly.files.wordpress.com/2006/08/bushdoor.jpg

[Raidersbane]

I have no respect for any of you ****heads!

If you blame the ref you are puppets and you all deserve the worst imaginable faith.

Slowick cost us this game with this defense:

http://fruitfly.files.wordpress.com/2006/08/bushdoor.jpg



Are you endorsing Dubya to be our new Defensive Coordinator?

[broncofan2438]

Who cares? This team sucks my balls

[Doggcow]

Next time Frat boy could handle it better and not throw into triple coverage 2 plays later.

He can't throw to wide open guys because they'll get flagged for PI. He has to try and hit those double and triple covered recievers.

[~Crash~]

Professional league... To be honest I find the way fans build up and tear down kids in both high school and college sort of sick. At least they should get paid for it.


say what you want I never watched the game this week because I felt like the game was rigged last week and now it sounds like it was rigged this week . oh well there is a new leauge and it sounds like they plain on using people on the team that are not thugs sounds like next spring is something I might start watching instead .... I am now on a walk about ...

http://www.allamericanfootballleague.com/aafltour1.php

[Los Broncos]

Seems like ever since the SD game we have been getting crazy calls on us.

[ColoradoDarin]

say what you want I never watched the game this week because I felt like the game was rigged last week and now it sounds like it was rigged this week . oh well there is a new leauge and it sounds like they plain on using people on the team that are not thugs sounds like next spring is something I might start watching instead .... I am now on a walk about ...

http://www.allamericanfootballleague.com/aafltour1.php

Same problem there:

AAFL has partnered with NFL officiating department to oversee our games during the season.

[Predaphin34]

I, as a Phinfan, agree with most of you that the refs sucked in the game.....

First of all, there were illegal blocks (blocks in the back) all over the field on that kick return by Royal. No way does Denver go all the way to the redzone and score on 3rd down.

Secondly, the Pass Interference call on Marshall was total BS! He was double covered perfectly,instead the Broncos go the break at the 1 yard line.

[Rohirrim]

I, as a Phinfan, agree with most of you that the refs sucked in the game.....

First of all, there were illegal blocks (blocks in the back) all over the field on that kick return by Royal. No way does Denver go all the way to the redzone and score on 3rd down.

Secondly, the Pass Interference call on Marshall was total BS! He was double covered perfectly,instead the Broncos go the break at the 1 yard line.

Predaphin? Isn't that a hemorrhoid gel?

[jbiel]

I have no respect for any of you ****heads!

If you blame the ref you are puppets and you all deserve the worst imaginable faith.

Slowick cost us this game with this defense:

http://fruitfly.files.wordpress.com/2006/08/bushdoor.jpg

Did you watch this game? That was probably our best defensive game of the year. Blame it something other than our D. (Cutler) For once they kept us in the game. Who would have thought that we would have played well in defense and special teams and still lost to the dolphins...

[Cito Pelon]

b****ing about the refs is lame.

Agreed.

[Blueflame]

not a single ****ing penalty on them, with 12 minutes left. That never ever ever happens. And they cost us a touchdown.

It happened twice during the 1998 season/postseason.... both times on the Dolphins' field. December 21,1998 the Dolphins played an entire game against the Broncos without being flagged even once....then a month later on January 31, 1999, the Atlanta Falcons also went unflagged against the Broncos in SB XXXIII.

[TonyR]

I didn't get to see the game today. Can someone explain what the big call was that may have cost us the game?

[Captain 'Dre]

I was laughing at Charger fans in Week 2, but today I know how they felt.

Damn! It especially hurts to lose one at HOME.

[Captain 'Dre]

I didn't get to see the game today. Can someone explain what the big call was that may have cost us the game?

Bogus offensive interference call on Marshall that cost us a long TD.

[gyldenlove]

Did you watch this game? That was probably our best defensive game of the year. Blame it something other than our D. (Cutler) For once they kept us in the game. Who would have thought that we would have played well in defense and special teams and still lost to the dolphins...

I did watch the game. If you think we played well on defense, you are a bigger idiot than Slowick.

I want everybody here to raise their hand if they thought Greg Camarillo was a good reciever before this game.

With no hands in the air, raise your hand if you thought the ref gave Camarillo more than 100 receiving yards.

Still with no hands showing, now raise your hands if you think Slowicks permanent prevent defense is the reason Camarillo gained more than 100 yards, raise your hand.

And the people think I am right, and you are a tool.

If you think giving up 26 point to Chad Pennington and his band of merry idiots was our defense playing well, be prepared to wear a shirt with abnormally long sleeves that can be strapped on the back, because you are insane!

[Blueflame]

I did watch the game. If you think we played well on defense, you are a bigger idiot than Slowick.

I want everybody here to raise their hand if they thought Greg Camarillo was a good reciever before this game.

With no hands in the air, raise your hand if you thought the ref gave Camarillo more than 100 receiving yards.

Still with no hands showing, now raise your hands if you think Slowicks permanent prevent defense is the reason Camarillo gained more than 100 yards, raise your hand.

And the people think I am right, and you are a tool.

If you think giving up 26 point to Chad Pennington and his band of merry idiots was our defense playing well, be prepared to wear a shirt with abnormally long sleeves that can be strapped on the back, because you are insane!

I rather suspect Camarillo's yardage had something to do with Karl Paymah on the field instead of Champ Bailey. But that's just me.

[spdirty]

I did watch the game. If you think we played well on defense, you are a bigger idiot than Slowick.

I want everybody here to raise their hand if they thought Greg Camarillo was a good reciever before this game.

With no hands in the air, raise your hand if you thought the ref gave Camarillo more than 100 receiving yards.

Still with no hands showing, now raise your hands if you think Slowicks permanent prevent defense is the reason Camarillo gained more than 100 yards, raise your hand.

And the people think I am right, and you are a tool.

If you think giving up 26 point to Chad Pennington and his band of merry idiots was our defense playing well, be prepared to wear a shirt with abnormally long sleeves that can be strapped on the back, because you are insane!

Our defense gave up just as many touchdowns as our offense. We wouldve won had Cutler and the refs not ****ed it up. But yeah, the drive in the 4th was typical 2007 and 2008 Broncos defense.

[Sassy]

I rather suspect Camarillo's yardage had something to do with Karl Paymah on the field instead of Champ Bailey. But that's just me.

Yep....except for the INT...Paymah sucks! They threw that ball to the right side most of the game.

[Blueflame]

Yep....except for the INT...Paymah sucks! They threw that ball to the right side most of the game.

He's no Champ, that's for sure.

[broncos-rock]

I have a different take I think Bly cost us this game....He is supposed to be a ball hawk and he drops a sure interception. I hated that the officials help decide the game but there plays to be made that were not made!!!

[boltaneer]

If I recall correctly back to week two, everyone was saying that despite the bad (Hochuli) call, all the Chargers had to do was make a stop and win the game.

Denver comes back and scores a quick TD and what happens? Pennington and Co. drive down the field for an 80 yard TD drive. All Denver had to do was make a stop there and drive down for a winning FG.

[DBBBSBS]

@ The thread starter, they gave us one in week 2.. now they took it back. So it is all even. So stop crying, i also like the broncos, but i am not blind like some of them here.

[TheChamp24]

If I recall correctly back to week two, everyone was saying that despite the bad (Hochuli) call, all the Chargers had to do was make a stop and win the game.

Denver comes back and scores a quick TD and what happens? Pennington and Co. drive down the field for an 80 yard TD drive. All Denver had to do was make a stop there and drive down for a winning FG.

Which is why saying it cost us the game is stupid.
The defense failing to stop the Dolphins on that drive cost the Broncos the game.

[broncolife]

If I recall correctly back to week two, everyone was saying that despite the bad (Hochuli) call, all the Chargers had to do was make a stop and win the game.

Denver comes back and scores a quick TD and what happens? Pennington and Co. drive down the field for an 80 yard TD drive. All Denver had to do was make a stop there and drive down for a winning FG.

exactly what I said in the chat room.

[ZachKC]

because I felt like the game was rigged last week and now it sounds like it was rigged this week .

Dude.

[ZachKC]

If I recall correctly back to week two, everyone was saying that despite the bad (Hochuli) call, all the Chargers had to do was make a stop and win the game.

Denver comes back and scores a quick TD and what happens? Pennington and Co. drive down the field for an 80 yard TD drive. All Denver had to do was make a stop there and drive down for a winning FG.
This.

[tsiguy96]

If I recall correctly back to week two, everyone was saying that despite the bad (Hochuli) call, all the Chargers had to do was make a stop and win the game.

Denver comes back and scores a quick TD and what happens? Pennington and Co. drive down the field for an 80 yard TD drive. All Denver had to do was make a stop there and drive down for a winning FG.

were not denying that....it just sucks having a game changing situation ripped from the records because of a nonsense penalty...

[Beantown Bronco]

Slowick cost us this game with this defense:

http://fruitfly.files.wordpress.com/2006/08/bushdoor.jpg

Make no mistake....this one was on the offense.

The defense only gave up 13 pts.
The defense forced 5 punts, a turnover and stopped two other drives for less than 20 yds.

The offense, on the other hand, had 3 turnovers, 5 drives of 3 plays, another drive of 4 plays, and another of 5 plays in the first half alone. That's pathetic.

[Sassy]

Make no mistake....this one was on the offense.

The defense only gave up 13 pts.
The defense forced 5 punts, a turnover and stopped two other drives for less than 20 yds.

The offense, on the other hand, had 3 turnovers, 5 drives of 3 plays, another drive of 4 plays, and another of 5 plays in the first half alone. That's pathetic.

Agreed! I thought are defense played hard today...just like against TB.

[Bronco Yoda]

This isn't the first time Brandon Marshall has been flagged with a ticky-tacky call that negated a huge play this year. This like the third or fourth call now. For whatever reason, the refs are not giving Marshall an inch.

[BABronco]

This isn't the first time Brandon Marshall has been flagged with a ticky-tacky call that negated a huge play this year. This like the third or fourth call now. For whatever reason, the refs are not giving Marshall an inch.

its cause he is black ...

[XXXshogunXXX]

this call didnt even come close to hochuli's. hopefully we see more on the way

[Blueflame]

this call didnt even come close to hochuli's. hopefully we see more on the way

Hopefully we'll see full-time refs (not part-timers with other day jobs) and some genuine accountability for making game-changing calls... every time a bad call happens it damages the integrity of the game. And that includes Hochuli's mistake.

[dungbeetle]

Oh wow, you guys are too much. As a Charger fan, this thread definitely made me chuckle. Thanks for the laughs guys. :)

[BroncoBuff]

this call didnt even come close to hochuli's. hopefully we see more on the way
It didn't obviously cost us the game like Hochuli, but I am 98% certain the lead we got with Marshall's TD would've held up.

And, no Dolphins penalties until 12 minutes to play? Jeez ... Ben Hamilton was flagged two plays in a row.

[boltaneer]

IMO, a pushoff like Marshall did almost never gets called but I think it should. Receivers get away with too much crap these days.

The problem with the call is consistency. Some refs would call it. Some wouldn't.

But I still say that any play should be reviewable, including penalties.

[ColoradoDarin]

IMO, a pushoff like Marshall did almost never gets called but I think it should. Receivers get away with too much crap these days.

The problem with the call is consistency. Some refs would call it. Some wouldn't.

But I still say that any play should be reviewable, including penalties.

He didn't push off, both players were hand checking each other (putting their hands on the other, but not impeding at all). Defender puts his hand on Marshall, Marshall grabs his hand and takes it off... PI Marshall? Dierdork was right, it was a lame call.

That said, I'm not blaming the game on the refs, we had many more opportunities to win this game. It shouldn't have even been close. Yet again the offense blew one with their turnovers.

[Blueflame]

Those who are saying the ref criticism is lame.... I have one question. Suppose your fantasy football team had Brandon Marshall starting today...and suppose they lost by less than 10 points (touchdown + yardage would have been like 14) and due to that call, Brandon was only good for 2 ff points. Would you feel that the call was OK then? Or would you feel that officiating robbed you of a win?

[tsiguy96]

Those who are saying the ref criticism is lame.... I have one question. Suppose your fantasy football team had Brandon Marshall starting today...and suppose they lost by less than 10 points (touchdown + yardage would have been like 14) and due to that call, Brandon was only good for 2 ff points. Would you feel that the call was OK then? Or would you feel that officiating robbed you of a win?

suppose? thats what happened to me.

[Blueflame]

suppose? thats what happened to me.

But are you saying it's "weak" or "lame" to notice that bogus call?

[extralife]

What sucks about this call vs. the Chargers call is that while Cutler fumbled the ball, it's not like the Chargers did anything. Jay dropped the ball with no one in his face, and some dude picked it up. They didn't make a play. This call, Brandon smokes a guy for 85 yards and Jay arguably makes his best throw of the day and we've nothing to show for it except a 2nd and 30. Ridiculous.

[spdirty]

Those who are saying the ref criticism is lame.... I have one question. Suppose your fantasy football team had Brandon Marshall starting today...and suppose they lost by less than 10 points (touchdown + yardage would have been like 14) and due to that call, Brandon was only good for 2 ff points. Would you feel that the call was OK then? Or would you feel that officiating robbed you of a win?

Yep. I had him and if not for this call, wouldve won comfortably. Now Im up only 4 and if my opponent is smart enough to pick up one of the kickers tonight, Im probably screwed. But now Im playing someone who doesnt bother to manage their shlt.

I nearly put a hole through my door after that bs call. Instead I had to take a deep breath and start this thread.

[Beantown Bronco]

Now Im up only 4 and if my opponent is smart enough to pick up one of the kickers tonight, Im probably screwed.

I've never heard of a league that allows you to pick up new guys on a Monday and play them that night. Every league I know of essentially freezes rosters after noon or 1PM on Sunday. If they pick up someone after that, they can't add them to the active roster until the following week.

[Peoples Champ]

call the game down the ****ing middle. Your ****ing favoring the dolphins here, almost as bad as NBA refs. Just flat ****ing bullshlt.


This is exaclty how I felt. And I never blame it on the refs.


I dont want to hear it about the 3 picks, even with those mistakes, we were still in it. We were overcoming adversity when the Refs just took the wind out of our sails. The refs are out for us ever since that Ed Hocali call, I wish that would have never happened. We would have lost to SD, but beat JAK and MIA

[Garcia Bronco]

It was a a lame call, but Marshall did slightly push off. Bummer

[RaiderH8r]

Those who are saying the ref criticism is lame.... I have one question. Suppose your fantasy football team had Brandon Marshall starting today...and suppose they lost by less than 10 points (touchdown + yardage would have been like 14) and due to that call, Brandon was only good for 2 ff points. Would you feel that the call was OK then? Or would you feel that officiating robbed you of a win?

Suppose that person is me. No kidding. I have Cutler and Marshall, that play cost me the game. Not that I really give a rip about FF relative to the tail piping we got yesterday.

Chuggers fans can eat it. It is abundantly clear that Pereira and the league have sent the implcit message to the referees that the Broncos are to be called more strictly than other clubs because of the fallout from Hochuli's bed wetting.

[WolfpackGuy]

Horrible call. The guy was beat then flopped around like a cheap hooker when Marshall "tapped" him on the arm. 2 penalties TOTAL on the Dolphins for the game!? Gimme a break.

[24champ]

The refs had to have been fearing for their life there for a few minutes. I swear I have never seen Mile High so pissed off at the refs. There was loud booing for at least 10 minutes and the scoreboard kept telling fans to calm down and report rude fans. LOL

[Kaylore]

We got jobbed, and it was a horrible call, but its not why we lost. We lost because we couldn't stop them on consecutive third and longs in the fourth quarter or even hold them to a field goal, for that matter.

We lost because we turned the ball over three times.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Suppose that person is me. No kidding. I have Cutler and Marshall, that play cost me the game. Not that I really give a rip about FF relative to the tail piping we got yesterday.

Chuggers fans can eat it. It is abundantly clear that Pereira and the league have sent the implcit message to the referees that the Broncos are to be called more strictly than other clubs because of the fallout from Hochuli's bed wetting.And now, so can donk fans. :wave:

[Peoples Champ]

It was a a lame call, but Marshall did slightly push off. Bummer


Out of technicalities, I agree.

But the NFL favors the offense so much these days with teams like the Colts and Patriots, the rules are made against the DB's. There was "mutual" pushing the whole route that Marshall ran. 99% of the time, any contact after five yards is targeted towards the defense. I have been complaining about this for years. Even when the WR slightley pushes off like that, the mutual bumps that occur during the entire route go toward DEF PI.

If it was Randy Moss or Marvin Harrison or Regie Wayne, that is deffensive PI. But the league is out for the Broncos since Ed Hocoli call. So this goes against us, even when 99% of the time this type of contact goes against the DB.


I dont know the statistics, but Offensive PI and Defensive holding on a run play have to be the 2 least calls in the NFL each season. Denver was called on both yesterday.

[yerner]

When Miami doesn't get a penalty called until the fourth quarter something is bull****. Overall the refs have been really bad in alot of NFL games this year.

[Peoples Champ]

Here is what I equate the Brandon Marshall call to in Baseball.


The UMP has been calling the outside strike all game. In the bottom of the 9th, you have a batter 2-2. You throw the outside strike and now all the sudden its a ball when he has been calling it a strike all game. The next pitch the batter hits a HR to win the game.

[Spider]

If I recall correctly back to week two, everyone was saying that despite the bad (Hochuli) call, all the Chargers had to do was make a stop and win the game.

Denver comes back and scores a quick TD and what happens? Pennington and Co. drive down the field for an 80 yard TD drive. All Denver had to do was make a stop there and drive down for a winning FG.

yep.. just one stop ........Didnt do it .........i was in Indiana watching the game , it hurt , but I was surrounded by Cowboy fans ........That game was brutal

[bro1ncos]

Damn this board has turned into a bunch of whiners.

That call sucked, but it didn't cost the Broncos the game. It was Jay's 3 picks, the 13 yards rushing, and a multitude of other things.

[azbroncfan]

Are you guys really bitching about the Marshal call? Seriously he did create seperation with a stiff arm so if that isn't offensive PI what was it? In my opinion the correct call was made now could they of let it slide? Yes but Marshall did push off and the refs usually will always make that call.

[Kaylore]

Are you guys really b****ing about the Marshal call? Seriously he did create seperation with a stiff arm so if that isn't offensive PI what was it? In my opinion the correct call was made now could they of let it slide? Yes but Marshall did push off and the refs usually will always make that call.

LOL Are you serious? What a joke. He touched him and the corner was beat anyway so he figured he'd flop. I'll give him credit, it worked. It was a bad call. Everyone that has seen it agrees, even Dolphin fans know they stole one.

[Peoples Champ]

LOL Are you serious? What a joke. He touched him and the corner was beat anyway so he figured he'd flop. I'll give him credit, it worked. It was a bad call. Everyone that has seen it agrees, even Dolphin fans know they stole one.



Im on your side kaylore, read my baseball analogy.

AZ Bronco, rememer when Randy Moss "tapped" dre bly and there was no call. That was way more blatent.

[bronco militia]

yeah it was a suck call, but some of you are sounding like Bolts fans

[broncofan2438]

Anyway we can find out where this ref lives and egg his house, break windows and so on?

[theAPAOps5]

It was a weak call but you have to forget it and make another play. Denver and San Diego weren't capable of doing that. But yes that call was huge the momentum shifted with that play and it was erased in a matter of seconds.

[broncoblue]

That has got to be the most ****ing ridiculous inept bull**** officiating crew I've ever seen. If the crowd would have stormed the field and hung those pos I would have cheered them. I want to hear the worthless ****ing nfl explain this **** tomorrow. People are paying big money to attend these games and the games get decided by some worthless ****ing idiot ref? You've got to be kidding me.
sobered up watched the play again and






******* ****** jjjIoo(8****88*88**888********
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rr its still BS

[Peoples Champ]

yeah it was a suck call, but some of you are sounding like Bolts fans



We should all just blame Ed Hocoli like the Bolts fans. He ruined 1 game for them and about 3 for the Broncos (now after his call refs are out for the broncos IMO)

[lander]

yeah it was a suck call, but some of you are sounding like Bolts fans

LOL!

[azbroncfan]

Im on your side kaylore, read my baseball analogy.

AZ Bronco, rememer when Randy Moss "tapped" dre bly and there was no call. That was way more blatent.

Yeah it was offensive PI that wasn't called. Bottomline is Marshall can't extend his arm like that and he has been called on it a few times in his career. Sometimes they call it and sometimes they don't but you can't complain when they do.

[Peoples Champ]

Yeah it was offensive PI that wasn't called. Bottomline is Marshall can't extend his arm like that and he has been called on it a few times in his career. Sometimes they call it and sometimes they don't but you can't complain when they do.



I guess i just dont see offensive PI called that much. I could be wrong. But I do know that deffensive PI is called way more. Its gotta be like 98% of time its Defense PI, and 2% Offensive PI. I dont know what the exact stat is, but it seems like its that in my book. Especially when its mutual pushing the whole route, even if the WR has the last push.

I just want consistency, like an UMP, its ok if he is calling the outside strike, as long as he does it consistently and fairly. I dont want it called sometimes and not sometimes like you say.

[RaiderH8r]

Yeah it was offensive PI that wasn't called. Bottomline is Marshall can't extend his arm like that and he has been called on it a few times in his career. Sometimes they call it and sometimes they don't but you can't complain when they do.

If the call on Marshall meets the standard for offensive pass interference then Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Hines Ward, Ocho Stinko, TJ Howsyomama, Antonio Gates, and countless others will be likewise penalized in future contests because until yesterday that play does not draw a flag. The reason the call is chicken**** is because it wasn't made consistantly, nor has it been all year. So yeah, every play has holding, every play has illegal contact, the question is what is the standard that is set and how consistantly is it called. Yesterday's call did not meet any standard heretofore adhered to and certainly isn't called with any consistancy. Therefor it is a horse**** call. Period. Now you can take this message straight to Mike Pereira with my compliments and inform him to eat a bag of d!@ks.

[Sassy]

I'm not bitching that the Marshall penalty cost the game...but it sure didn't help. That 80 yard TD would have really swung the momentum. Anyone have the you tube yet? Looking at it...Marshall, barely, if at all touched him. I thought it looked like a defensive PI first...actually.

[Peoples Champ]

I'm not b****ing that the Marshall penalty cost the game...but it sure didn't help. That 80 yard TD would have really swung the momentum. Anyone have the you tube yet? Looking at it...Marshall, barely, if at all touched him. I thought it looked like a defensive PI first...actually.



Here you go

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80c28075

Its in the DEN vs MIA highlights somewhere around 0:55

It was mutual pushing all the way down the field, which is called Defensive PI 99% of the time.

[BMF Bronco]

letting them get a ****ing 3rd and 17 to a 4th and inches on a drive that needed to be a 3 and out pretty much put the nail in our coffin. Nothing is going to happen and there's no way we can change that call so **** it, no use in dwelling on it.

[ZONA]

Yeah it was offensive PI that wasn't called. Bottomline is Marshall can't extend his arm like that and he has been called on it a few times in his career. Sometimes they call it and sometimes they don't but you can't complain when they do.

Yes, you can complain when they do if they make the wrong call. The rule doesn't say you can't extend your arm. The rule also doesn't say the DB can't touch the WR. They know both guys will be battling for position. The rule states that a DB can't hold the WR or make body contact if he doesn't turn around and look for the ball. That doesn't come into play on this play, but what does is the rule vs the offensive player. An offensive player CAN extend his arm, he CAN touch the DB. He CAN"T push the DB away or use his arm to impede the DB from closing in. Marshall did neither. He put his hand on the DB as if he might try to gain an advantage but the ball was dropping into the basket at that moment and Marshall quickly pulled his hand back off the DB to catch the ball. He didn't not impede the DB on closing in and he did not push the DB off. That Offensive PI is not called on that play 90% of the time. That DB was not making up any ground and would not have been any closer to the pass, therefor Marshall did not impede his closing. In fact, Marshall's arm wasn't straight at all. The DB did a acting job and to me, it wasn't even that good of an acting job.

I don't think that one play alone was the reason we lost but it doesn't change the fact it was a bad call.

You have to let the players play the damn game. This is not a ticky tack nit pick league. It's not supposed to be anyway.

[XXXshogunXXX]

heres what shanahan had to say about the refs after yesterdays game.

"This was the best crew that we've had in the last 20 crews I've graded," Shanahan said. "They did a heckuva job."

[gyldenlove]

They did make up for that call by giving Marshall a defensive PI in the end zone on the next drive.

The reason we lost as Kaylore pointed out (and what I have been saying since I got home) is the defense. We could have stopped them, we had them on 3rd and 19 and 3rd and 12 and 4th and 1 on the following drive. If we stop that drive or keep them to a field goal, we have more than 3 minutes, 2 timeouts and we are down by 5. If you really want to blame anybody for that loss, do the smart thing and blame Slowick.

[Peoples Champ]

heres what shanahan had to say about the refs after yesterdays game.



Of course Shanahan will say that. The man is a class act. One of the classiest coaches of all time. But you saw him Jawing on the sideline after that call. And he normal does the quiet death stare, but after that call, he was yelling like crazy. Thats how i know it was terrible.


Also, everyone is focusing on that call, but what about Defensive holding on a Run play????? I understand the rule, but they call that 3 times a year. So mix that in with Marshalls, and I can honestly say the refs were out for us. Blame Ed Hocoli

[Sassy]

Shanahan looked like he was about to have a heart attack on that call...He was pissed!

[XXXshogunXXX]

Of course Shanahan will say that. The man is a class act. One of the classiest coaches of all time. But you saw him Jawing on the sideline after that call. And he normal does the quiet death stare, but after that call, he was yelling like crazy. Thats how i know it was terrible.


Do you really think he said that after yesterdays game?

[Beantown Bronco]

They did make up for that call by giving Marshall a defensive PI in the end zone on the next drive.

Huh? Making the correct call on a later play does NOT = a "make up" call. Marshall was clearly bumped before the ball got there. That one was legit.

The reason we lost as Kaylore pointed out (and what I have been saying since I got home) is the defense.

Insanity. The defense gave up 13 pts. They forced punts, forced a turnover or got off the field after allowing only 1 first down on 8 of 11 drives. No way were they the reason the Broncos lost. They were on the field 75% of the game, mostly as a result of the offense's pathetic first half play. So it's their fault the offense turned the ball over three times, had a handful of three and outs, etc.....resulting in the defense having nothing left on the last drive of the game?

We could have stopped them, we had them on 3rd and 19 and 3rd and 12 and 4th and 1 on the following drive. If we stop that drive or keep them to a field goal, we have more than 3 minutes, 2 timeouts and we are down by 5. If you really want to blame anybody for that loss, do the smart thing and blame Slowick.

So, as you admit yourself, even if the defense plays essentially the perfect game and makes that final stop, the Broncos would still be down by 5. Why is that? Oh yeah, cause the offense could do NOTHING. They would be forced to score a TD in 3 minutes or so. What did you see prior to that time that gave you any confidence that they would get that TD? I certainly didn't see anything....

[ZONA]

Beantown,

I get where you are coming from regarding the defense being worn out on the last drive but I don't care how frickin tired you are, giving up a 3rd and 12 and 3rd and 19 at home is pathetic. Given the fact the announcers were saying the Dolphins were the worst in the league at converting 3rd downs over 10 yards only makes it even MORE pathetic.

You have no argument on that case.

[WolfpackGuy]

The defense didn't do too bad, but how can you let a team who hadn't converted a 3rd and 8 or longer all season do it TWICE on the SAME drive? The one wasn't actually a 3rd down conversion, but getting 18 1/2 on 3rd and 19 is close enough.

[Beantown Bronco]

You have no argument on that case.

Agreed. That drive was pathetic and I'll never say otherwise....but my argument is that the game should've been so far out of reach at that point in favor of the Broncos that one score should not have made the difference. THAT is why I don't blame the defense for this loss. They were only responsible for one TD drive all game long. When it happens shouldn't matter. This offense needs to be able to put up more points than that, especially at home.....plain and simple.

[gyldenlove]

Huh? Making the correct call on a later play does NOT = a "make up" call. Marshall was clearly bumped before the ball got there. That one was legit.

If that one is legit then the pushing off on Marshall was legit. Marshall did put his hand on the CB, he didn't push him or impede his way. When Marshall got touched in the end zone it was with a hand and it didn't impede his way to the ball or cause him to be unable to catch the ball.



Insanity. The defense gave up 13 pts. They forced punts, forced a turnover or got off the field after allowing only 1 first down on 8 of 11 drives. No way were they the reason the Broncos lost. They were on the field 75% of the game, mostly as a result of the offense's pathetic first half play. So it's their fault the offense turned the ball over three times, had a handful of three and outs, etc.....resulting in the defense having nothing left on the last drive of the game?

If they were so good, why were they on the field for 61% of the time? Who is the better QB, Pennington or Cutler? who is the better WR, Marshall og Ginn? Who is better between Royal and Camarillo?

Fact is that our defense let an offense led by Chad Noodlearm gain 341 yards on our home turf. A guy whos last name sounds like a lot like Armadillo had 11 catches for 111 yards.

If you think Cutler or the refs or the rush offense is the blame for those numbers, you need to go back and look at the tape and see who is on the field when those numbers were put up. It was the defense.



So, as you admit yourself, even if the defense plays essentially the perfect game and makes that final stop, the Broncos would still be down by 5. Why is that? Oh yeah, cause the offense could do NOTHING. They would be forced to score a TD in 3 minutes or so. What did you see prior to that time that gave you any confidence that they would get that TD? I certainly didn't see anything....

If the defense plays a perfect game we would have been well ahead at the time. We allowed them 3 long drives (starting at the 7 yard line, 12 yard line and 20 yard line) to go for points. If the defense had been perfect as you say we would have been well ahead. Hell even if they were just marginally less sucky we would have stopped them on midfield on that 3rd and 18 and only been down by 2 (we could have been up by 1 if Prater made the 49 yarder).

If we had stopped them on the 3rd and 18 like we should have done, all we had to do was drive into field goal range, we did that twice in the 3rd quarter, we got in the end zone once in the 3rd quarter which was nullified and we drove to the end zone and scored a TD in the 4th quarter. In fact in the 2nd half, of our 5 possessions we had 2 end with FG or FG attempts, 1 end with a TD, 1 end with a nullified TD and 1 end just outside FG range. I have a lot of confidence in those numbers that we could have drive into FG range and gotten the 3 we needed.

[Beantown Bronco]

If that one is legit then the pushing off on Marshall was legit. Marshall did put his hand on the CB, he didn't push him or impede his way. When Marshall got touched in the end zone it was with a hand and it didn't impede his way to the ball or cause him to be unable to catch the ball.


I disagree with your description of the EZ pass interference call, and so does one of the biggest anti-Bronco CBS announcers on the air today: Dan Dierdorf.

If they were so good, why were they on the field for 61% of the time? Who is the better QB, Pennington or Cutler? who is the better WR, Marshall og Ginn? Who is better between Royal and Camarillo?

Extremely poor defense of an argument.

It doesn't matter which team has the "better" skill position players. Lots of other factors can influence which play better on any given day. My toddlers know that.

Fact is that our defense let an offense led by Chad Noodlearm gain 341 yards on our home turf. A guy whos last name sounds like a lot like Armadillo had 11 catches for 111 yards.

Yards? Who cares about yards? Yards don't win games. Points do. And the Broncos defense gave up 13 pts. That is an A+ effort for a unit that's taken as much crap as they have this season. That SHOULD be enough for a mediocre offense to win. Fact is, the offense didn't even play close to mediocre.

If you think Cutler or the refs or the rush offense is the blame for those numbers, you need to go back and look at the tape and see who is on the field when those numbers were put up. It was the defense.

The Denver defense gave the ball back to the offense 12 times. The offense put up 17 pts.....7 coming off a five yard drive. That's not good enough. For you to think it is tells me a lot.

[Blueflame]

The offense needs to hang onto the ball. They haven't done that for the last 3 games and the final scores of those games clearly show that fact.

[broncocalijohn]

Anyway we can find out where this ref lives and egg his house, break windows and so on?

since i heard you are "bolting" from the Broncos, at least you sound like a Chargers fan. Have some class as we try to show we have the best fans of the West.

[TheChamp24]

The Broncos defense did an adequate job. The reason why Miami had so many yards and TOP is because of the turnovers.

[NYBronco]

The Broncos defense did an adequate job. The reason why Miami had so many yards and TOP is because of the turnovers.

And 14 total yards rushing.

[RhymesayersDU]

This thread is hilarious.

[tsiguy96]

if you WATCHED the broncos defense play, you would know they sucked. it was not the players, it was the scheme. if you look at the stats, it doesnt look that bad. it is.