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Meck77
11-02-2008, 04:01 AM
PCEOC Pinon Canyon Expansion Opposition Coalition
The Army's Big Map
Editorial
By THE PUEBLO CHIEFTAIN
October 30, 2008


AFTER TWO years of disclaimers, the Army is stuck with "The Big Map," printed in a 2004 FortCarson report, revealing a plan to purchase up to 7 million acres - the entire southeast corner of Colorado - for PinonCanyon expansion.

The plan, unearthed in a lawsuit by expansion opponents, puts the land acquisition costs at roughly $1 billion and says it would displace 17,263 people in five counties - Las Animas, Otero, Baca, Bent and Prowers.

The opposition group, Not 1 More Acre!, actually obtained a copy of this startling map two years ago and confronted Army officials about it. Until the actual map showed up in court documents earlier this month, however, Army officials consistently disowned or dismissed it. In other words, they stonewalled the ranchers' questions.

Now, caught red-handed with the evidence, an Army spokesman dismissed the 2004 FortCarson report as "silly," adding: "We write tons of plans, most of them are never followed. That study was never adopted by the Army."

Is that so? Consider that the first step in the "big map" calls for the Army to purchase 80,000 acres directly south of the current Pinon Canyon Maneuver Site - almost exactly what Army officials said they would settle for in July.

All of Southeastern Colorado must be alert to the danger of a massive land grab by the government. Be vigilant to the possibility - and we doubt it's remote - that the Army may resurrect the 2004 plan and eventually increase the 80,000 acres to 7 million acres.

It would devastate the region's economy to take that property - 6 million acres from private agricultural owners and 1 million acres from the Forest Service - to displace anywhere close to 17,263 people and to take so much land out of production and off the tax rolls.

We have waited for the Army to level with the people whose livelihoods and property are at stake in Southeastern Colorado. Now we have a "smoking gun," and it is loaded with additional questions about what the Army really has in mind for PinonCanyon.

We and the region are still waiting for answers.

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Click HERE to see the 19 page Analysis of Alternatives that the Chieftain is referencing to see for yourself.

Click HERE to view a copy of the original leaked map that prompted the first opposition efforts almost 3 years ago.

Spider
11-02-2008, 06:10 AM
PCEOC Pinon Canyon Expansion Opposition Coalition
The Army's Big Map
Editorial
By THE PUEBLO CHIEFTAIN
October 30, 2008


AFTER TWO years of disclaimers, the Army is stuck with "The Big Map," printed in a 2004 FortCarson report, revealing a plan to purchase up to 7 million acres - the entire southeast corner of Colorado - for PinonCanyon expansion.

The plan, unearthed in a lawsuit by expansion opponents, puts the land acquisition costs at roughly $1 billion and says it would displace 17,263 people in five counties - Las Animas, Otero, Baca, Bent and Prowers.

The opposition group, Not 1 More Acre!, actually obtained a copy of this startling map two years ago and confronted Army officials about it. Until the actual map showed up in court documents earlier this month, however, Army officials consistently disowned or dismissed it. In other words, they stonewalled the ranchers' questions.

Now, caught red-handed with the evidence, an Army spokesman dismissed the 2004 FortCarson report as "silly," adding: "We write tons of plans, most of them are never followed. That study was never adopted by the Army."

Is that so? Consider that the first step in the "big map" calls for the Army to purchase 80,000 acres directly south of the current Pinon Canyon Maneuver Site - almost exactly what Army officials said they would settle for in July.

All of Southeastern Colorado must be alert to the danger of a massive land grab by the government. Be vigilant to the possibility - and we doubt it's remote - that the Army may resurrect the 2004 plan and eventually increase the 80,000 acres to 7 million acres.

It would devastate the region's economy to take that property - 6 million acres from private agricultural owners and 1 million acres from the Forest Service - to displace anywhere close to 17,263 people and to take so much land out of production and off the tax rolls.

We have waited for the Army to level with the people whose livelihoods and property are at stake in Southeastern Colorado. Now we have a "smoking gun," and it is loaded with additional questions about what the Army really has in mind for PinonCanyon.

We and the region are still waiting for answers.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Click HERE to see the 19 page Analysis of Alternatives that the Chieftain is referencing to see for yourself.

Click HERE to view a copy of the original leaked map that prompted the first opposition efforts almost 3 years ago.

good post , I posted Something about this 2 years ago ,People From Pinion Canyon to Kim Colorado will be effected ..............

Rohirrim
11-02-2008, 06:17 AM
I spent a year down there in advanced infantry training. We were all over that place. I really don't see why they need more. Given the current world scenarios, we should be building a base in the SW deserts somewhere. What really makes the Army's request suspect in my eyes is that I was in the 10th Mountain Division. We trained up in Cheyenne Canyon a lot and Camp Hale. You know where they moved the Mountain Division? To Vermont. :rofl:

Any Army that moves its mountain division from the Rockies to Vermont should really be questioned.

USAFBronco
11-02-2008, 06:49 AM
Any Army that moves its mountain division from the Rockies to Vermont should really be questioned.

Better syrup up in this region =P

snowspot66
11-02-2008, 06:50 AM
Does Vermont even have mountains? I figured a mole hill would be bigger than anything they have.

USAFBronco
11-02-2008, 06:57 AM
Does Vermont even have mountains? I figured a mole hill would be bigger than anything they have.

Yea they do, Some decent sized ones and "good" skiing I hear. Good is a relative term of course, compared to out there in CO/UT this stuff is garbage.

Spider
11-02-2008, 07:04 AM
Better syrup up in this region =P

:welcome: without a doubt .........

Spider
11-02-2008, 07:07 AM
Does Vermont even have mountains? I figured a mole hill would be bigger than anything they have.

They do , but keep this in mind the elevation there is sea level , so their hills are respectable .......... But do yourself a favor , go to the North east during fall , you will not be disappointed ............

Rohirrim
11-02-2008, 07:17 AM
My last six months in the Army were a blast: Live off the base in Manitou Springs. Put on civvies every morning and then go up to Cheyenne Canyon and rock climb, hike, build rope bridges, etc. while getting paid for it. ;D

Paladin
11-02-2008, 09:02 AM
Jeezus. Think of all the damm prairie dogs, Rattlers, coyotes, illegals, and antelope that would be displaced......

Truth is , I have never heard one word that justified the "need" for the space. To be honest, though, I just don't see it happening.....