Why wasn't Bush impeached?

[Meck77]

With all the accusations that have been tossed at him how is that he was not impeached? There have been thousands of conspiracy theories discussed on this forum yet somehow none of them stuck. So does that mean there are people IE democrats working with him on his master plan? You'd think they would have buried him by now?

[Bronco Bob]

People were disgusted by the GOP's partisan attempt to convict Bill Clinton.
The Democrats wisely decided not to play the GOP's petty games and
to beat them at the ballot box instead. So far it seems to be working.

[Hogan11]

With all the accusations that have been tossed at him how is that he was not impeached?

No sex was involved in any of them, that's why.

[Meck77]

Well Bush has been accused by some in here of war crimes, covering up 9-11, being involved in 9-11, and orchestrating the financial collapse of America to name a few. If any of those were true do you think the democrats would consider those petty and not worth pursuing Bob?

[gunns]

People were disgusted by the GOP's partisan attempt to convict Bill Clinton.
The Democrats wisely decided not to play the GOP's petty games and
to beat them at the ballot box instead. So far it seems to be working.

Yes, Nancy Pelosi said it would divide the country yet again when they won the majority. Once the chimp is out I would be thrilled to see the gavel come down on the little prick, but make sure Cheney is with him.

[TexanBob]

The answer is easy. You need articles of impeachment to pass the House then 2/3rds of the Senate to convict.

2001-2007 were years that the GOP had the majority in the House and controlled at least half the Senate. By 2007, Pelosi realised that there were only two years left in Bush's presidency and it would probably take at least 18 months to get impeachment through both houses so it would have all been wasted energy that would have ultimately failed.

Whether you believe Bush deserved impeachment or not, it was not going to happen in a GOP-controlled House and Pelosi wisely thought it had little chance of success when Bush was so close to leaving office anyway. Besides, did the Democrats really want Cheney in charge?

As for the Clinton impeachment it was 1) foolish of the GOP to pursue impeachment, 2) selfish of Clinton not to resign like Nixon did for the good of the country. Had Clinton resigned, we would have had President Gore running as an incumbent in 2000 and he would have won handily.

[Hogan11]

Yes, Nancy Pelosi said it would divide the country yet again when they won the majority. Once the chimp is out I would be thrilled to see the gavel come down on the little prick, but make sure Cheney is with him.

Rove needs to be behind bars as well.

[Meck77]

The answer is easy. You need articles of impeachment to pass the House then 2/3rds of the Senate to convict.

2001-2007 were years that the GOP had the majority in the House and controlled at least half the Senate. By 2007, Pelosi realised that there were only two years left in Bush's presidency and it would probably take at least 18 months to get impeachment through both houses so it would have all been wasted energy that would have ultimately failed.

Whether you believe Bush deserved impeachment or not, it was not going to happen in a GOP-controlled House and Pelosi wisely thought it had little chance of success when Bush was so close to leaving office anyway. Besides, did the Democrats really want Cheney in charge?

As for the Clinton impeachment it was 1) foolish of the GOP to pursue impeachment, 2) selfish of Clinton not to resign like Nixon did for the good of the country. Had Clinton resigned, we would have had President Gore running as an incumbent in 2000 and he would have won handily.

Ok so if it's so cut and dry and was only a matter of votes then would you say he'll be charged with crimes after he leaves office and maybe do time?

[Bronco Bob]

Ok then surely he'll end up in jail after he leaves the presidency?

Hasn't Bush bought as huge ranch in Paraguay, which has no extradition treaty with the US?

[Needa Pass Rush]

Hasn't Bush bought as huge ranch in Paraguay, which has no extradition treaty with the US?


Link?

[Needa Pass Rush]

Hasn't Bush bought as huge ranch in Paraguay, which has no extradition treaty with the US?

LETTER OF TRANSMITTAL
THE WHITE HOUSE, July 13, 1999.
To the Senate of the United States:
With a view to receiving the advice and consent of the Senate to
ratification, I transmit herewith the Extradition Treaty between
the Government of the United States of America and the Government
of the Republic of Paraguay, signed at Washington on November
9, 1998.In addition, I transmit, for the information of the Senate, the report
of the Department of State with respect to the Treaty. As the
report states, the Treaty will not require implementing legislation.
The provisions in this Treaty follow generally the form and content
of extradition treaties recently concluded by the United States.
Upon entry into force, this Treaty would enhance cooperation between
the law enforcement authorities of both countries, and thereby
make a significant contribution to international law enforcement
efforts. The Treaty would supersede the Extradition Treaty between
the United States of America and the Republic of Paraguay
signed at Asuncion on May 24, 1973.
I recommend that the Senate give early and favorable consideration
to the Treaty and give its advice and consent to ratification.
WILLIAM J. CLINTON.

[tnedator]

With all the accusations that have been tossed at him how is that he was not impeached? There have been thousands of conspiracy theories discussed on this forum yet somehow none of them stuck. So does that mean there are people IE democrats working with him on his master plan? You'd think they would have buried him by now?

I almost posted the same thing last week with the organized crime horse **** that was being thrown around.

I mean, they impeached Clinton over a blowjob, but a Democratic congress and Senate don't impeach Bush for flying planes into the WTC and for being part of an organized crime syndicate.

Yep, why wasn't Bush impeached?

[gunns]

Link?

Bush Buys Land in Northern Paraguay

Buenos Aires, Oct 13 (Prensa Latina) An Argentine official regarded the intention of the George W. Bush family to settle on the Acuifero Guarani (Paraguay) as surprising, besides being a bad signal for the governments of the region.

Luis D Elia, undersecretary for the Social Habitat in the Argentine Federal Planning Ministry, issued a memo partially reproduced by digital INFOBAE.com, in which he spoke of the purchase by Bush of a 98,842-acre farm in northern Paraguay, between Brazil and Bolivia.

The news circulated Thursday in non-official sources in Asuncion, Paraguay.

D Elia considered this Bush step counterproductive for the regional power expressed by Presidents Nestor Kirchner, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, Evo Morales, Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro.

He said that "it is a bad signal that the Bush family is doing business with natural resources linked to the future of MERCOSUR."

The official pointed out that this situation could cause a hypothetical conflict of all the armies in the region, and called attention to the Bush family habit of associating business and politics.

http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID=%7BEBA55617-2676-4091-ABBC-20650EB6FEE1%7D&language=EN

[gunns]

I almost posted the same thing last week with the organized crime horse **** that was being thrown around.

I mean, they impeached Clinton over a blowjob, but a Democratic congress and Senate don't impeach Bush for flying planes into the WTC and for being part of an organized crime syndicate.

Yep, why wasn't Bush impeached?

It isn't 9/11 that I feel he should be impeached for, it's Iraq and the lies told to get there.

Maybe the Dem's figured they didn't need an impeachment to get the White House back. They were right. But the right thing would be to pursue it, especially now that he can't be pardoned until possibly the next Republican President.

[Needa Pass Rush]

Bush Buys Land in Northern Paraguay

Buenos Aires, Oct 13 (Prensa Latina) An Argentine official regarded the intention of the George W. Bush family to settle on the Acuifero Guarani (Paraguay) as surprising, besides being a bad signal for the governments of the region.

Luis D Elia, undersecretary for the Social Habitat in the Argentine Federal Planning Ministry, issued a memo partially reproduced by digital INFOBAE.com, in which he spoke of the purchase by Bush of a 98,842-acre farm in northern Paraguay, between Brazil and Bolivia.

The news circulated Thursday in non-official sources in Asuncion, Paraguay.

D Elia considered this Bush step counterproductive for the regional power expressed by Presidents Nestor Kirchner, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, Evo Morales, Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro.

He said that "it is a bad signal that the Bush family is doing business with natural resources linked to the future of MERCOSUR."

The official pointed out that this situation could cause a hypothetical conflict of all the armies in the region, and called attention to the Bush family habit of associating business and politics.

http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID=%7BEBA55617-2676-4091-ABBC-20650EB6FEE1%7D&language=EN


Plenglish? Nothing from the MSM? Do you believe this story, Gunns?

[Meck77]

So gunns what are you saying? Do you believe Bush is on a one way flight out of America? Surely he would be if he had committed serious crimes and the democrats no longer have to worry about "dividing America" right?

Why wouldn't a story like Bush buying a place of refuge not make main stream media?

[tnedator]

It isn't 9/11 that I feel he should be impeached for, it's Iraq and the lies told to get there.

Maybe the Dem's figured they didn't need an impeachment to get the White House back. They were right. But the right thing would be to pursue it, especially now that he can't be pardoned until possibly the next Republican President.

As the OP said, the conspiracy theories have flown like crazy. Some on here claim he masterminded 9/11 as an excuse to invade Iraq, he is part of organized crime, etc., etc.

Some pretty far out there, looney tune, conspiracy theories.

[Meck77]

LETTER OF TRANSMITTAL
THE WHITE HOUSE, July 13, 1999.
To the Senate of the United States:
With a view to receiving the advice and consent of the Senate to
ratification, I transmit herewith the Extradition Treaty between
the Government of the United States of America and the Government
of the Republic of Paraguay, signed at Washington on November
9, 1998.In addition, I transmit, for the information of the Senate, the report
of the Department of State with respect to the Treaty. As the
report states, the Treaty will not require implementing legislation.
The provisions in this Treaty follow generally the form and content
of extradition treaties recently concluded by the United States.
Upon entry into force, this Treaty would enhance cooperation between
the law enforcement authorities of both countries, and thereby
make a significant contribution to international law enforcement
efforts. The Treaty would supersede the Extradition Treaty between
the United States of America and the Republic of Paraguay
signed at Asuncion on May 24, 1973.
I recommend that the Senate give early and favorable consideration
to the Treaty and give its advice and consent to ratification.
WILLIAM J. CLINTON.

link

http://www.oas.org/juridico/MLA/en/traites/en_traites-ext-usa-pry.pdf

[Rohirrim]

He falsified evidence to trick this country into war, including (but not limited to) committing treason by outting an undercover CIA agent, a felony.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

He falsified evidence to trick this country into war, including (but not limited to) committing treason by outting an undercover CIA agent, a felony.

Not to mention the warrantless wiretaps and illegal spying on Americans.

[Meck77]

He falsified evidence to trick this country into war, including (but not limited to) committing treason by outting an undercover CIA agent, a felony.

Ok so if that is the case do you think he'll do time? If not why not?

[Rohirrim]

Ok so if that is the case do you think he'll do time?

Are you kidding? Bush has never paid for any of the bs he's pulled his entire life. That's the story of his life. He'll walk away, scot free.

[Meck77]

Are you kidding? Bush has never paid for any of the bs he's pulled his entire life. That's the story of his life. He'll walk away, scot free.

How could he walk away scot free if it's so obvious he committed numerous felonies? Why would all the dems who want to bury him turn a blind eye when he leaves office? That doesn't make any sense Ro.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Are you kidding? Bush has never paid for any of the bs he's pulled his entire life. That's the story of his life. He'll walk away, scot free.

Yep.

The Bush Crime Family is highly experienced and competent in one area: covering their own wrongdoing and evading accountability.

[Rohirrim]

How could he walk away scot free if it's so obvious he committed numerous felonies? Why would all the dems who want to bury him turn a blind eye when he leaves office? That doesn't make any sense Ro.

Unfortunately, I don't make the decisions. If I did, there would already be massive impeachment hearings on the conduct of Bush, Cheney, Rove, et al. Kucinich had it right. Pelosi and Reid are gutless. They made a purely political decision to set aside the pursuit of justice, which would have been a partisan nightmare, and instead pursue electoral success.

[BroncoBuff]

The answer is easy. You need articles of impeachment to pass the House then 2/3rds of the Senate to convict.

2001-2007 were years that the GOP had the majority in the House and controlled at least half the Senate. By 2007, Pelosi realised that there were only two years left in Bush's presidency and it would probably take at least 18 months to get impeachment through both houses so it would have all been wasted energy that would have ultimately failed.

Whether you believe Bush deserved impeachment or not, it was not going to happen in a GOP-controlled House and Pelosi wisely thought it had little chance of success when Bush was so close to leaving office anyway. Besides, did the Democrats really want Cheney in charge?

As for the Clinton impeachment it was 1) foolish of the GOP to pursue impeachment, 2) selfish of Clinton not to resign like Nixon did for the good of the country. Had Clinton resigned, we would have had President Gore running as an incumbent in 2000 and he would have won handily.
Ding ding ding!

We have the winning answer! ^5 :notworthy

[theAPAOps5]

Plenglish? Nothing from the MSM? Do you believe this story, Gunns?

Yeah because you post articles only reputable and non-biased sources. :rofl:

Only 3 full days to post crap against the wall before America decides better get busy.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ding ding ding!

We have the winning answer! ^5 :notworthy

All except for the "Clinton should have resigned" BS.

[gunns]

Plenglish? Nothing from the MSM? Do you believe this story, Gunns?

Yes I do.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/4/28/2544/07385

Why would Bush want to live in Paraguay, you ask? Well, turns out it could be for a couple of very good reasons.

First thing's first: in early 2005 Paraguay passed a law that allowed the country to harbor international criminals--alright, the more diplomatic phrasing is that they
granted immunity to U.S. military, (thus, including Commander-in-Chief Bush) from the International Criminal Court if indicted for war crimes or crimes against humanity. (Another link here concerning military moving in to Paraguay.) This was around the same time (May 2005) 400 US Marines were allowed to operate in the country in exchange for aid for 18 months.

Bush allegedly bought land in Paraguay in 2006, a roughly 98,840 acre parcel in the Paso de Patria area called "Chaco", close to the intersections of Paraguay, Bolivia, and Brazil. Apparently, it's a gorgeous spot. The land is close to the Bolivian wetlands, is situated near natural gas reserves, and sits atop one of the largest aquifers in the world, the Guarani indigenous water region. Part of the property has been designated an ecological reserve. And wow, they think of everything, it's close to the US Mariscal Estigarribia Military Base. The U.S. officially denies having troops there except for "exercises", and vigorously denies rumors of having its own base there.

Jenna Bush was sent on a "family mission" the first week of October '06 to seal the deal, accompanied by 10 security guards. She met the President of Paraguay and the U.S. Ambassador and "officially" traveled with UNICEF to see a few of their projects, a "strictly private" tour.

Apparently, Bush Sr. owns roughly 173,000 acres in the same area, although there are no confirmed reports. But, here is the strange part: none other than the Reverend Sun Myung Moon was the first to buy a huge chunk in 2000, in that very area. The Moonies have big plans: they want to develop ports, universities, an eco-tourism resort (will his an Bush's intersect?), and reinvigorate the timber trade to Asia. They are in Argentina already, but it seems they are branching out. And it seems like the Bushes followed him.

Bush, Sr. is a big fan of Rev. Moon, and is quoted as calling Moon "the man with the vision," in Argentina in 1996 while helping him hawk his news publication "Times of the World." As you know, Moon also owns the Washington Times. It helps to be a sycophant to someone who donates significantly to one's coiffers--Bush made
$100,000 for the endorsement, and some sources say Moon has given the Bush family approximately $10 million dollars over the years. I won't go into the implications of Bush II's Faith Based Initiatives and how much money Moon has undoubtedly made from American tax dollars either directly or though tax credits. But, it seems as if the entire Bush clan has a friendship, professional or otherwise, with Reverend Moon.

Okay, pretty obvious, (soon to be, but not soon enough) former dictator scopes out property, flees to a South American location to avoid prosecution for war crimes, and gets into business there. Now, what businesses are the most profitable--ie, the most volatile in the region? Oh yes. Natural gas and water. Where is Bush's property? Oh yes, on the Bolivian border where there have been numerous coup d' etat's in the past 100 years, and several national incidents in the past ten years over said natural resources. And, who is hanging out in the Washington, D.C. area as we speak, after fleeing Bolivia from prosecution? Ex-President "Goni" Gonzalo Sanchez de Lozada, friend of George W. Bush, who wishes to overthrow democratically elected Evo Morales and reinstate power despite the tremendous hate the majority indigenous population feel for him.

This is what gave me pause: the next year after the immunity deal was made, the Paraguayan government revoked U.S. military (and Presidential) immunity from the ICC, taking effect when their contract ended in December 2006. The U.S. Ambassador to Paraguay threatened to discontinue aid to the region unless immunity was reinstated--then, for maybe just maybe a bro' deal, Bush then signed a waiver that continued military aid in countries that have refused to sign immunity agreements with the US. Bush's waiver affects 21 countries, including Paraguay. It seems as though Paraguay was forced into revoking immunity, as it is a member of the MercoSur trade block, which includes Venezuela, Chile, Brazil, Uruguay, and Argentina. Paraguay's President Nicano Duarte Frutos is center right, elected in 2003, and his relationship with Bush is said to be a "good political marriage." (Another Marxist perspective of the U.S. military presence here).

Thing is, with a deft stroke of a pen, Bush effectively took protection away from U.S. soldiers in the region, but made sure his friends and business partners-in-crime contine to get what they need--U.S. tax dollars. You know some kind of deal was made to protect his rotten ass.

Here's more

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1722483/posts

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=5324

[Needa Pass Rush]

Yeah because you post articles only reputable and non-biased sources. :rofl:

Only 3 full days to post crap against the wall before America decides better get busy.



McCain 46

Obama 44

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/zogby-national-polls.html

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

McCain 46

Obama 44

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/zogby-national-polls.html

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Cherry pick much?

[TheDave]

McCain 46

Obama 44

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/zogby-national-polls.html

Date: 9/23-25
Added: 9/25/08

Gotta pay attention to those dates...

[gunns]

McCain 46

Obama 44

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/zogby-national-polls.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/

[Needa Pass Rush]

Yes I do.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/4/28/2544/07385

Why would Bush want to live in Paraguay, you ask? Well, turns out it could be for a couple of very good reasons.

First thing's first: in early 2005 Paraguay passed a law that allowed the country to harbor international criminals--alright, the more diplomatic phrasing is that they
granted immunity to U.S. military, (thus, including Commander-in-Chief Bush) from the International Criminal Court if indicted for war crimes or crimes against humanity. (Another link here concerning military moving in to Paraguay.) This was around the same time (May 2005) 400 US Marines were allowed to operate in the country in exchange for aid for 18 months.

Bush allegedly bought land in Paraguay in 2006, a roughly 98,840 acre parcel in the Paso de Patria area called "Chaco", close to the intersections of Paraguay, Bolivia, and Brazil. Apparently, it's a gorgeous spot. The land is close to the Bolivian wetlands, is situated near natural gas reserves, and sits atop one of the largest aquifers in the world, the Guarani indigenous water region. Part of the property has been designated an ecological reserve. And wow, they think of everything, it's close to the US Mariscal Estigarribia Military Base. The U.S. officially denies having troops there except for "exercises", and vigorously denies rumors of having its own base there.

Jenna Bush was sent on a "family mission" the first week of October '06 to seal the deal, accompanied by 10 security guards. She met the President of Paraguay and the U.S. Ambassador and "officially" traveled with UNICEF to see a few of their projects, a "strictly private" tour.

Apparently, Bush Sr. owns roughly 173,000 acres in the same area, although there are no confirmed reports. But, here is the strange part: none other than the Reverend Sun Myung Moon was the first to buy a huge chunk in 2000, in that very area. The Moonies have big plans: they want to develop ports, universities, an eco-tourism resort (will his an Bush's intersect?), and reinvigorate the timber trade to Asia. They are in Argentina already, but it seems they are branching out. And it seems like the Bushes followed him.

Bush, Sr. is a big fan of Rev. Moon, and is quoted as calling Moon "the man with the vision," in Argentina in 1996 while helping him hawk his news publication "Times of the World." As you know, Moon also owns the Washington Times. It helps to be a sycophant to someone who donates significantly to one's coiffers--Bush made
$100,000 for the endorsement, and some sources say Moon has given the Bush family approximately $10 million dollars over the years. I won't go into the implications of Bush II's Faith Based Initiatives and how much money Moon has undoubtedly made from American tax dollars either directly or though tax credits. But, it seems as if the entire Bush clan has a friendship, professional or otherwise, with Reverend Moon.

Okay, pretty obvious, (soon to be, but not soon enough) former dictator scopes out property, flees to a South American location to avoid prosecution for war crimes, and gets into business there. Now, what businesses are the most profitable--ie, the most volatile in the region? Oh yes. Natural gas and water. Where is Bush's property? Oh yes, on the Bolivian border where there have been numerous coup d' etat's in the past 100 years, and several national incidents in the past ten years over said natural resources. And, who is hanging out in the Washington, D.C. area as we speak, after fleeing Bolivia from prosecution? Ex-President "Goni" Gonzalo Sanchez de Lozada, friend of George W. Bush, who wishes to overthrow democratically elected Evo Morales and reinstate power despite the tremendous hate the majority indigenous population feel for him.

This is what gave me pause: the next year after the immunity deal was made, the Paraguayan government revoked U.S. military (and Presidential) immunity from the ICC, taking effect when their contract ended in December 2006. The U.S. Ambassador to Paraguay threatened to discontinue aid to the region unless immunity was reinstated--then, for maybe just maybe a bro' deal, Bush then signed a waiver that continued military aid in countries that have refused to sign immunity agreements with the US. Bush's waiver affects 21 countries, including Paraguay. It seems as though Paraguay was forced into revoking immunity, as it is a member of the MercoSur trade block, which includes Venezuela, Chile, Brazil, Uruguay, and Argentina. Paraguay's President Nicano Duarte Frutos is center right, elected in 2003, and his relationship with Bush is said to be a "good political marriage." (Another Marxist perspective of the U.S. military presence here).

Thing is, with a deft stroke of a pen, Bush effectively took protection away from U.S. soldiers in the region, but made sure his friends and business partners-in-crime contine to get what they need--U.S. tax dollars. You know some kind of deal was made to protect his rotten ass.

Here's more

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1722483/posts

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=5324

So this has been reported in blogs since 2006 and the MSM has never touched the story? And you believe it? I knew the MSM was in the tank for Bush, but this is crazy. ;)

[gunns]

So this has been reported in blogs since 2006 and the MSM has never touched the story? And you believe it? I knew the MSM was in the tank for Bush, but this is crazy. ;)

I'm not asking you to. You asked if I did and sure I do. I wouldn't put anything past Bush.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Date: 9/23-25
Added: 9/25/08

Gotta pay attention to those dates...

ROFL!

[theAPAOps5]

McCain 46

Obama 44

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/zogby-national-polls.html

Ha you dumb ass you posted a poll from when McCain wasn't being dragged down by the Caribou Titanic yet and is more than a month old. Here is a tip. Don't use Google it isn't always accurate. ROFL!


God you are such a joke when it comes to politics. That was one of the funniest attempted retorts I have seen. Thanks for the laugh it was a good one. :spit: :spit:

[theAPAOps5]

Tell me this NeedABrain what does the LATEST Zogby Poll say. You know the one that isn't a month old. The one that polled people from 10/28 to 10/30. Yeah it has Obama as a 7 point favorite.

God that was rich. Linking a poll from over a month ago. This made my day thanks NPR. LOL

[tnedator]

Tell me this NeedABrain what does the LATEST Zogby Poll say. You know the one that isn't a month old. The one that polled people from 10/28 to 10/30. Yeah it has Obama as a 7 point favorite.

God that was rich. Linking a poll from over a month ago. This made my day thanks NPR. LOL

He was applying the Acorn factor, which has artifically increased the number of registered democrats, which slants polls that poll based on national demographics.....

Yea, that's what happened. !Booya!

[Needa Pass Rush]

Tell me this NeedABrain what does the LATEST Zogby Poll say. You know the one that isn't a month old. The one that polled people from 10/28 to 10/30. Yeah it has Obama as a 7 point favorite.

God that was rich. Linking a poll from over a month ago. This made my day thanks NPR. LOL

Here ya go, Apapleptic. I used your trusty Dailykos.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/31/22111/826

[tnedator]

Rassmussens latest in depth daily snapshot (through yesterday evening)



Obama McCain GOP Dem Oth Men Women White Women
Ballot 50% 45% Obama 12% 88% 44% Obama 48% 54% 47%
With Leaners 51% 47% McCain 87% 11% 50% McCain 49% 45% 51%

[tnedator]

A few more tidbits, showing the Obama informercial was successful:


Obama Ad: 54% Say Half-Hour Ad Wednesday Night Made Them More Likely to Vote for Obama, 24% Say it Made Them Less Likely...See Crosstabs (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/premium_content/political_tracking_crosstabs/october_2008/crosstabs_obama_ad_october_30_2008).

Taxes: 37% Say Taxes Will Go Up Under Obama, 57% Say Taxes Won't Change Under McCain...See Crosstabs (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/premium_content/political_tracking_crosstabs/october_2008/crosstabs_obama_mccain_on_taxes_october_30_2008) and Trends (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/premium_content/historical_data/mccain_obama_gov_t_spending_taxes_trends).

[Bronco Bob]

Rassmussens latest in depth daily snapshot (through yesterday evening)



Obama McCain GOP Dem Oth Men Women White Women
Ballot 50% 45% Obama 12% 88% 44% Obama 48% 54% 47%
With Leaners 51% 47% McCain 87% 11% 50% McCain 49% 45% 51%




Interestingly the Gallup poll that had the right wingers creaming their panties
when it had Obama only up by 2 points on October 16th now has Obama
up by 8 points.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/111679/Gallup-Daily-Obamas-Lead-Widens-Some-All-Bases.aspx

[Meck77]

Ok back to the topic at hand folks.

So basically George Bush has been called the biggest criminal the world has ever seen yet nobody in this forum thinks he'll be charged or even serve any time? I'll buy the Dems didn't push for the impeachment as the votes weren't there but if the guy is guilty of war crimes, various felonies, and master mining the single largest attack in American History surely he should pay for these crimes? You mean to tell me all the democrats will stay silent once he leaves office? Will Obama turn the other cheek? If Bush really has the master plan of ruining American and putting the Amero in place wouldn't he need an accomplice in Obama? So many theories. So little evidence and Bush's biggest critics on here won't even take the stance that he'll go to jail? Leads me to believe you guys really don't believe all these accusations you've thrown out.

Also, the "Bush bought a ranch in Paraguay and he intends to run there crowd" doesn't even want to acknowledge that that the United States and Paraguay have an extradition agreement in place? Why would Bush plan a get away there? It makes ZERO sense.

[tnedator]

Interestingly the Gallup poll that had the right wingers creaming their panties
when it had Obama only up by 2 points on October 16th now has Obama
up by 8 points.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/111679/Gallup-Daily-Obamas-Lead-Widens-Some-All-Bases.aspx

Actually, the GOP is the party of real men, we don't wear panties ROFL!

[tnedator]

Ok back to the topic at hand folks.

So basically George Bush has been called the biggest criminal the world has ever seen yet nobody in this forum thinks he'll be charged or even serve any time? I'll buy the Dems didn't push for the impeachment as the votes weren't there but if the guy is guilty of war crimes, various felonies, and master mining the single largest attack in American History surely he should pay for these crimes? You mean to tell me all the democrats will stay silent once he leaves office? Will Obama turn the other cheek? If Bush really has the master plan of ruining American and putting the Amero in place wouldn't he need an accomplice in Obama? So many theories. So little evidence and Bush's biggest critics on here won't even take the stance that he'll go to jail? Leads me to believe you guys really don't believe all these accusations you've thrown out.

Also, the "Bush bought a ranch in Paraguay and he intends to run there crowd" doesn't even want to acknowledge that that the United States and Paraguay have an extradition agreement in place? Why would Bush plan a get away there? It makes ZERO sense.

Yea, even if they want to highlight the 2/3 in the senate needed to ratify/finalize the impeachment, the congress could still bring the impeachment, which would be a major blow to Bush's legacy, and then the Dems could say that he was saved in the Senate due to the GOP senators protecting him.

Ths is a guy, that the people on his MB are calling the head of an organized crime syndicate, and the Dems are just letting him continue to break law after law?

Yea, very likely.

[tnedator]

As to paraguay, it is FAR more likely that if the Bush's have bought land, it is as an investment, whether for lumber, or long term development or some other investment reasons.

[Play2win]

At this point I would take A Democratic President, with a Democratic House and Democratic Supermajority in the Senate over a BUSH impeachment.

I would much rather solve the problem and move on, instead of creating new problems (which seems to be the case so often when republicons are in control)

Who knows he could be persecuted once BUSH has left office... and that might leave a mark and stick.

[tnedator]

At this point I would take A Democratic President, with a Democratic House and Democratic Supermajority in the Senate over a BUSH impeachment.

I would much rather solve the problem and move on, instead of creating new problems (which seems to be the case so often when republicons are in control)

Who knows he could be persecuted once BUSH has left office... and that might leave a mark and stick.

If he was so clearly guilty of organized crime and other crimes, as is stated as a 'fact' by some in WPR, then an impeachment wouldn't have hurt the chances for a super majority, but instead probably ensured it.

[Bronco Bob]

Actually, the GOP is the party of real men, we don't wear panties ROFL!

Well, I figure Sarah Palin wears woolen long johns, but I'm not so sure about
the rest of you.

[gunns]

Actually, the GOP is the party of real men, we don't wear panties ROFL!

How do you know? Check the next stall?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

How do you know? Check the next stall?

Ha! ^5

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3931/nazicon2008restroomnf4.jpg

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/W/H/2/bush-years-sac0904cd.jpg

[Bronco_Beerslug]

McCain 46
Obama 44
http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/zogby-national-polls.html
Probably ought to try and use something a little more current when posting poll numbers...

---------------------------------------------------------------------

Voters Now Trust Democrats More on All Ten Key Electoral Issues (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/trust_on_issues/trust_on_issues)

Generic Ballot: Democrats Take Nine-Point Advantage (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/congressional_ballot/generic_ballot_democrats_take_nine_point_advantage ) Obama 51%, McCain 44% in New Hampshire (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/new_hampshire/election_2008_new_hampshire_presidential_election)

McCain Still Ahead by Five in Georgia (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/georgia/election_2008_georgia_presidential_election)

Obama 54%, McCain 42% in Oregon (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/oregon/election_2008_oregon_presidential_election) - Posted 26 minutes ago

Obama Ahead Again in North Carolina (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/north_carolina/election_2008_north_carolina_presidential_election )

Obama Leads By Four in Pennsylvania (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/pennsylvania/election_2008_pennsylvania_presidential_election2)

Obama 53%, McCain 43% in Michigan (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/michigan/election_2008_michigan_presidential_election)

New Mexico: Obama 54%, McCain 44% (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/new_mexico/election_2008_new_mexico_presidential_election)

Obama Ahead by 12 in Minnesota (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/minnesota/election_2008_minnesota_presidential_election)


Electoral College: Obama 260 McCain 160 (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/election_2008_electoral_college_update)
"If John McCain Is Surging in Pennsylvania, It Remains Under the Radar " (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/10/if-john-mccain.html)

"The Race Is Not Tightening" (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_columnist_mikethomas/2008/10/the-race-is-not.html)

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Ok back to the topic at hand folks.

So basically George Bush has been called the biggest criminal the world has ever seen yet nobody in this forum thinks he'll be charged or even serve any time? I'll buy the Dems didn't push for the impeachment as the votes weren't there but if the guy is guilty of war crimes, various felonies....
Nope, once out of office he's free. Republicans who supported him will stay silent and that's enough to make sure nothing will happen to him.

[Meck77]

Nope, once out of office he's free. Republicans who supported him will stay silent and that's enough to make sure nothing will happen to him.

Explain to me why Dems who despise him would stay silent though Slug? It just doesn't add up if he really is a criminal.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Explain to me why Dems who despise him would stay silent though Slug? It just doesn't add up if he really is a criminal.People won't put up with wasting time and effort to go after him in this economical and world climate.

[Needa Pass Rush]

Probably ought to try and use something a little more current when posting poll numbers...

---------------------------------------------------------------------

Voters Now Trust Democrats More on All Ten Key Electoral Issues (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/trust_on_issues/trust_on_issues)

Generic Ballot: Democrats Take Nine-Point Advantage (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/congressional_ballot/generic_ballot_democrats_take_nine_point_advantage ) Obama 51%, McCain 44% in New Hampshire (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/new_hampshire/election_2008_new_hampshire_presidential_election)

McCain Still Ahead by Five in Georgia (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/georgia/election_2008_georgia_presidential_election)

Obama 54%, McCain 42% in Oregon (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/oregon/election_2008_oregon_presidential_election) - Posted 26 minutes ago

Obama Ahead Again in North Carolina (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/north_carolina/election_2008_north_carolina_presidential_election )

Obama Leads By Four in Pennsylvania (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/pennsylvania/election_2008_pennsylvania_presidential_election2)

Obama 53%, McCain 43% in Michigan (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/michigan/election_2008_michigan_presidential_election)

New Mexico: Obama 54%, McCain 44% (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/new_mexico/election_2008_new_mexico_presidential_election)

Obama Ahead by 12 in Minnesota (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/minnesota/election_2008_minnesota_presidential_election)


Electoral College: Obama 260 McCain 160 (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/election_2008_electoral_college_update)
"If John McCain Is Surging in Pennsylvania, It Remains Under the Radar " (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/10/if-john-mccain.html)

"The Race Is Not Tightening" (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_columnist_mikethomas/2008/10/the-race-is-not.html)


Yup, just having a little fun with Zogby's daily poll showing McCain ahead.

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_212182963.shtml

Interestingly, Obama voted 5% lower then his poll numbers during primary season. It will be interesting to see if the same holds true in the main election.

[Miss I.]

Actually, the GOP is the party of real men, we don't wear panties ROFL!

Does anyone know if J Edgar Hoover was a Republican because I hear he liked to wear women's garments. :)

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Yup, just having a little fun with Zogby's daily poll showing McCain ahead.

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_212182963.shtml

Interestingly, Obama voted 5% lower then his poll numbers during primary season. It will be interesting to see if the same holds true in the main election.I'd say that right now he's probably going to win by 5% but one never knows.

[Meck77]

People won't put up with wasting time and effort to go after him in this economical and world climate.

That's a load of crap. If the guy was involved in 9-11 or some serious criminal activity like LA has spewed THOUSANDS of times surely somebody would put the screws to him. If they don't I think it's safe to say that all the accusations were more internet driven then anything real.

Furthermore if ole George is still playing cowboy on his ranch in Texas and not hiding in Paraguay I think it will be safe to say that he isn't worried about any charges being brought against him here in America.

I'm actually shocked that some of Bush's biggest critics here think he'll just walk away a free man.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

That's a load of crap. If the guy was involved in 9-11 or some serious criminal activity like LA has spewed THOUSANDS of times surely somebody would put the screws to him. If they don't I think it's safe to say that all the accusations were more internet driven then anything real.

Furthermore if ole George is still playing cowboy on his ranch in Texas and not hiding in Paraguay I think it will be safe to say that he isn't worried about any charges being brought against him here in America.

I'm actually shocked that some of Bush's biggest critics here think he'll just walk away a free man.No it isn't. He didn't "participate" in 9-11 but he ignored all the warnings of the possibility in his haste to invade Iraq. He didn't directly order all the illegal spying on Americans but his administration was responsible for it.
He didn't personally direct all the contract work in Iraq that made billions for his buddies but his "people" did. It goes on and on.

[Meck77]

No it isn't. He didn't "participate" in 9-11 but he ignored all the warnings of the possibility in his haste to invade Iraq. He didn't directly order all the illegal spying on Americans but his administration was responsible for it.
He didn't personally direct all the contract work in Iraq that made billions for his buddies but his "people" did. It goes on and on.

Whatever. Bush has been blamed for everything from Global warming to LABF not being able get laid the last 8 years and now Bush won't be charged with anything according to his biggest critics.

It's pretty clear to me that none of you really believed what you've been typing the last 8 years.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Whatever. Bush has been blamed for everything from Global warming to LABF not being able get laid the last 8 years and now Bush won't be charged with anything according to his biggest critics.

It's pretty clear to me that none of you really believed what you've been typing the last 8 years.Oh BS! I know the reality of the current political climate and your approach to the Republican party and what they have done the past 8 years which is nothing really happened that was wrong.

[tnedator]

How do you know? Check the next stall?

Ok, this was funny. :rofl:

[Bronco Bob]

Whatever. Bush has been blamed for everything from Global warming

It's not that Bush himself is causing Global Warming, but that he went
even further than just ignoring it. He appointed people whose goal
was to deny it was even happening, and to fire people who spoke
out and refused to falsify documents. And to this very day right
wingers are basing their views on Global Warming on the Bush
dis-information campaign. Having a president on their side give
the deniers a lot of ammunition. Funny thing is even Bush eventually
came around to the fact that Global Warming is real, and both
John McCain and Barack Obama are on record as it being real
and a problem that needs to be solved. But even now we are
still getting the deniers spouting their nonsense that has been
dis-proven as false over and over. Apparently some people
are just too stubborn to admit they are wrong.

[gunns]

Whatever. Bush has been blamed for everything from Global warming to LABF not being able get laid the last 8 years and now Bush won't be charged with anything according to his biggest critics.

It's pretty clear to me that none of you really believed what you've been typing the last 8 years.

I believe it, think he should be impeached if not thrown in jail, but unfortunately I have no control over that. One of the reasons I despise Pelosi.

[baja]

With all the accusations that have been tossed at him how is that he was not impeached? There have been thousands of conspiracy theories discussed on this forum yet somehow none of them stuck. So does that mean there are people IE democrats working with him on his master plan? You'd think they would have buried him by now?

It's flag wavers like you that never question the motives of your leaders unless of course it hits you in your pocket book.

[OrangeDoofus]

The answer is easy. You need articles of impeachment to pass the House then 2/3rds of the Senate to convict.

2001-2007 were years that the GOP had the majority in the House and controlled at least half the Senate. By 2007, Pelosi realised that there were only two years left in Bush's presidency and it would probably take at least 18 months to get impeachment through both houses so it would have all been wasted energy that would have ultimately failed.

Whether you believe Bush deserved impeachment or not, it was not going to happen in a GOP-controlled House and Pelosi wisely thought it had little chance of success when Bush was so close to leaving office anyway. Besides, did the Democrats really want Cheney in charge?

As for the Clinton impeachment it was 1) foolish of the GOP to pursue impeachment, 2) selfish of Clinton not to resign like Nixon did for the good of the country. Had Clinton resigned, we would have had President Gore running as an incumbent in 2000 and he would have won handily.
Holy crap. I just read a whole post by TexanBob without disagreeing with any of it. I gotta check my meds.

[TexanBob]

Holy crap. I just read a whole post by TexanBob without disagreeing with any of it. I gotta check my meds.

Maybe this will make you feel better. I think Bush and Clinton have a deal in place. Clinton was never prosecuted for his crimes and Bush will never be prosecuted either. Of course, Bush expected Hillary to be the next president. No telling if there will be any similar agreement between Bush and Obama.

[OrangeDoofus]

Maybe this will make you feel better. I think Bush and Clinton have a deal in place. Clinton was never prosecuted for his crimes and Bush will never be prosecuted either. Of course, Bush expected Hillary to be the next president. No telling if there will be any similar agreement between Bush and Obama.
Phew. Okay, that's better. Thanks.

[tnedator]

Maybe this will make you feel better. I think Bush and Clinton have a deal in place. Clinton was never prosecuted for his crimes and Bush will never be prosecuted either. Of course, Bush expected Hillary to be the next president. No telling if there will be any similar agreement between Bush and Obama.

Wow, consipircay theory much? ???

I believe it, think he should be impeached if not thrown in jail, but unfortunately I have no control over that. One of the reasons I despise Pelosi.

If Pelosi and the others Dems in congress thought there was a 'shred' of truth to what you guys tout, they would have pushed hard for an impeachment, because that would have ensured them a Dem president and 60 in the senate.

As it turns out, it looks like they will get a Dem president and probably just short of 60, but it would have been over before it began, if they impeached Bush, and they would have attempted that if there was 'any' truth to the conspiracy theories you guys espouse.

[barryr]

It's because the democrats only have accusations and to convict, you usually need evidence, which Nancy and Harry boy can't find and are too busy hiring relatives to cushy, high paying government jobs to look anymore.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I think Bush and Clinton have a deal in place. Clinton was never prosecuted for his crimes and Bush will never be prosecuted either.

http://www.themongoose.co.uk/img/tinfoil/tinfoil_hat_wearers_for_bush.jpg

[rastaman]

Does anyone know if J Edgar Hoover was a Republican because I hear he liked to wear women's garments. :)

Yes, you are correct Gay Edgar Hoover was a pillow bitting queer and he hated blacks with a :strong: passion.

[mhgaffney]

You can thank Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and the rest of the Democrapo "leadership" for the fact that Bush was not impeached.

Most Americans supported it -- but the Democrapos were too deep in bed themselves with the same banksters and industrialists to go there.

Clinton is just as responsible for 9/11 as Bush & Co.

9/11 was a project of the New World Order, and by that I mean the power cabal that runs America, with tentacles on Wall Street, in the US intelligence community, the US military and in the private sector (Blackstone, Wackenhut etc).

Pelosi's spineless support of Bush's war policy has made her very unpopular among her own constituents -- San Francisco is the most progressive bloc of voters in the US -- and I am hopeful she will be defeated and turned out of office by Cindy Sheehan, a very gutsy and smart peace activist.

We will never get the truth about 9/11 until Americans demand a new and REAL investigation. It's that simple.

[tnedator]

You can thank Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and the rest of the Democrapo "leadership" for the fact that Bush was not impeached.

Most Americans supported it -- but the Democrapos were too deep in bed themselves with the same banksters and industrialists to go there.

Clinton is just as responsible for 9/11 as Bush & Co.

9/11 was a project of the New World Order, and by that I mean the power cabal that runs America, with tentacles on Wall Street, in the US intelligence community, the US military and in the private sector (Blackstone, Wackenhut etc).

Pelosi's spineless support of Bush's war policy has made her very unpopular among her own constituents -- San Francisco is the most progressive bloc of voters in the US -- and I am hopeful she will be defeated and turned out of office by Cindy Sheehan, a very gutsy and smart peace activist.

We will never get the truth about 9/11 until Americans demand a new and REAL investigation. It's that simple.

I assume that sheep in the pic in your sig is you, because you have sure fallen in line with the tin foil wearing conspiracy nuts. Wow, just wow.

[watermock]

I'm considering getting one to block the signal.

Those alien implants are on a sub-sonic frequencey used be the SRA. Unless you remove them.

Mines in my left ear. It sends out a high pitched signal every 3 days or so, it''s in ny brain.

[The Lone Bolt]

Ok, so many on this forum have claimed that bush is a sinister criminal mastermind who committed blatant mass-murder and high treason, and these charges have been proven beyond all reasonable doubt. Yet those same posters have a convenient laundry list of excuses as to why the Greatest Criminal of This Century will not answer to even one of his alleged crimes.

So let me ask another question to those posters: what are YOU personally going to do to insure that bush doesn't get away with it? Are you going to march in the streets? Start a movement? Loudly and publicly demand justice each and every day to express your burning outrage?

What are your plans to make him pay for his crimes?

Here's an idea: why don't you all pool your money and hire lawyers to pursue it? Surely there are enough of you across the country who could finance a campain for criminal prosecution? Are you willing to make the small sacrifice of, say, mortgaging your home to make sure bush pays for his crimes? If you are so absolutely sure that you have a case it should be a no-brainer, right?

[gunns]

Ok, so many on this forum have claimed that bush is a sinister criminal mastermind

I don't know of anyone that claimed that. The Bush administration. Hell, the guy can't even put two words together to form a cohesive thought.

People did voice their concern during the 2006 election, and that's when Pelosi addressed it. And hell no I'm not going to mortgage my home to make sure that happens. Bush and his cronies have made it almost impossible to mortgage anything. Hey, there's a conspiracy theory. ;D

[ScottXray]

Date: 9/23-25
Added: 9/25/08

Gotta pay attention to those dates...

From the site today
"Pollster John Zogby: "Obama has consolidated his lead over McCain. His single day lead today was back to 52%-42%. He leads by 10 among independents and has solidified his base. He leads among Hispanics by38 points, African Americans by 88, 18-24 year olds by 36, 18-29 year olds by 25, 25-34 year olds by 16, women by 8, and men by 3. He has a 17 point lead among those who have already voted, 22 by those who have registered to vote in the past 6 months, Moderates by 34, Catholics by 10. He even receives 21% support among Conservatives.

"So what happened to give McCain a one-point lead in the one-day polling on Friday? It was a day of consolidation for him, too. He had been losing support among key groups and began to regain some of his own base. He now leads by 21 points among NASCAR fans, 9 among investors, 6 among voters in armed forces households, and 2 among voters over 65 years old.

"Remember, as I said yesterday, one day does not make a trend. This is a three-day rolling average and no changes have been tectonic. A special note to blogger friends: calm it down. Lay off the cable television noise and look at your baseball cards in your spare time. It is better for your (and everyone else's) health." "

[theAPAOps5]

I assume that sheep in the pic in your sig is you, because you have sure fallen in line with the tin foil wearing conspiracy nuts. Wow, just wow.

You should go read some of Mark's stuff. I don't buy what he is selling one bit and have debated him and even called him a kook but one thing is certain he is passionate about his beliefs.

That said some of it is bat **** crazy talk.

[The Lone Bolt]

I don't know of anyone that claimed that. The Bush administration. Hell, the guy can't even put two words together to form a cohesive thought.

OK, then let's go with "evil, sadistic, blood-thirsty monster" instead. That appear to be in line with some of the views I've read here.

[Rohirrim]

Ok, so many on this forum have claimed that bush is a sinister criminal mastermind who committed blatant mass-murder and high treason, and these charges have been proven beyond all reasonable doubt. Yet those same posters have a convenient laundry list of excuses as to why the Greatest Criminal of This Century will not answer to even one of his alleged crimes.

So let me ask another question to those posters: what are YOU personally going to do to insure that bush doesn't get away with it? Are you going to march in the streets? Start a movement? Loudly and publicly demand justice each and every day to express your burning outrage?

What are your plans to make him pay for his crimes?

Here's an idea: why don't you all pool your money and hire lawyers to pursue it? Surely there are enough of you across the country who could finance a campain for criminal prosecution? Are you willing to make the small sacrifice of, say, mortgaging your home to make sure bush pays for his crimes? If you are so absolutely sure that you have a case it should be a no-brainer, right?

You're starting to sound like the Gaffer. :tinfoilha

[tnedator]

I don't know of anyone that claimed that. The Bush administration. Hell, the guy can't even put two words together to form a cohesive thought.

People did voice their concern during the 2006 election, and that's when Pelosi addressed it. And hell no I'm not going to mortgage my home to make sure that happens. Bush and his cronies have made it almost impossible to mortgage anything. Hey, there's a conspiracy theory. ;D

I guess you missed the liberal WPR talking point sheet from last week or the week before.

The topic of the day was how Bush was the head of the organized crime family, called the GOP. That every republican (not just those elected, but everyone registered republican or voting for McCain this year) was either guilty of organized crime activities, or being accessories to said crimes.

You need to talk to the people emailing out the WPR talking point sheets, because apparently they skipped you that week. :ROFL!

[baja]

I guess you missed the liberal WPR talking point sheet from last week or the week before.

The topic of the day was how Bush was the head of the organized crime family, called the GOP. That every republican (not just those elected, but everyone registered republican or voting for McCain this year) was either guilty of organized crime activities, or being accessories to said crimes.

You need to talk to the people emailing out the WPR talking point sheets, because apparently they skipped you that week. :ROFL!

Wow I am surprised you would dignify this dump with your presence

[tnedator]

Wow I am surprised you would dignify this dump with your presence

I don't think it's a dump, there are just a few way-left liberals that are a bit 'out there' in their views.

[Spider]

I don't know of anyone that claimed that. The Bush administration. Hell, the guy can't even put two words together to form a cohesive thought.

People did voice their concern during the 2006 election, and that's when Pelosi addressed it. And hell no I'm not going to mortgage my home to make sure that happens. Bush and his cronies have made it almost impossible to mortgage anything. Hey, there's a conspiracy theory. ;D
;D it is lone bolt , there is reality , then there is Lone bolts world ........

[Meck77]

So what's your take on this subject Spider? It's evolved from just impeachment to being charged with anything. Hell at this point I'd like to see someone come up with misdemeanor they think could stick.

Based on the responses from this forum I don't even see why Bush would need to hide in Paraguay.

[rastaman]

Ok, so many on this forum have claimed that bush is a sinister criminal mastermind who committed blatant mass-murder and high treason, and these charges have been proven beyond all reasonable doubt. Yet those same posters have a convenient laundry list of excuses as to why the Greatest Criminal of This Century will not answer to even one of his alleged crimes.

So let me ask another question to those posters: what are YOU personally going to do to insure that bush doesn't get away with it? Are you going to march in the streets? Start a movement? Loudly and publicly demand justice each and every day to express your burning outrage?

What are your plans to make him pay for his crimes?

Here's an idea: why don't you all pool your money and hire lawyers to pursue it? Surely there are enough of you across the country who could finance a campain for criminal prosecution? Are you willing to make the small sacrifice of, say, mortgaging your home to make sure bush pays for his crimes? If you are so absolutely sure that you have a case it should be a no-brainer, right?

How much money are you talking about????? Also, you don't seem alarmed that Bush hasn't been impeached, nor have any articles of impeachment been filed! Why is that???

The threshold for impeaching a President was significantly lowered when Republicans tried to impeach Clinton over having consentual sex with an adult!!! If that wasn't a WITCH HUNT, I don't know what could have been. Lying about a private matter of consentual blow job while under oath about a topic that was no ones business in the first place......just showed the arrogance and witch hunt mentality of hypocritical Republican Ideology.

I would venture to say that most Americans would want a president impeached for commiting crimes while in office. This is why the Founding Fathers had good reason to make it part of the U.S. Constitution. Bush should have been impeached years ago, Not only has Bush been a liar and deceiver while in office, he has unconstitutionally, immorally invaded
Afghanistan and Iraq for political leverage. The cowardly Republicans gave him free reign until they lost power in 2006. Of course, considering how many members of Congress are making big bux off this unlawful invasion, it isn't surprising they did nothing to hold Bush accountable for his lies and the deaths of over 4,200 American soldiers to date.

No president is above the law and when a president steps outside the law, he must be held accountable. There are plans to prosecute Bush for War Crimes after he leaves office and not a moment to soon.

[Meck77]

There are plans to prosecute Bush for War Crimes after he leaves office and not a moment to soon.

Really? By whom?

[The Lone Bolt]

How much money are you talking about????? Also, you don't seem alarmed that Bush hasn't been impeached, nor have any articles of impeachment been filed! Why is that???

The threshold for impeaching a President was significantly lowered when Republicans tried to impeach Clinton over having consentual sex with an adult!!! If that wasn't a WITCH HUNT, I don't know what could have been. Lying about a private matter of consentual blow job while under oath about a topic that was no ones business in the first place......just showed the arrogance and witch hunt mentality of hypocritical Republican Ideology.

I would venture to say that most Americans would want a president impeached for commiting crimes while in office. This is why the Founding Fathers had good reason to make it part of the U.S. Constitution. Bush should have been impeached years ago, Not only has Bush been a liar and deceiver while in office, he has unconstitutionally, immorally invaded
Afghanistan and Iraq for political leverage. The cowardly Republicans gave him free reign until they lost power in 2006. Of course, considering how many members of Congress are making big bux off this unlawful invasion, it isn't surprising they did nothing to hold Bush accountable for his lies and the deaths of over 4,200 American soldiers to date.

No president is above the law and when a president steps outside the law, he must be held accountable. There are plans to prosecute Bush for War Crimes after he leaves office and not a moment to soon.

Who is planning to prosecute bush for War Crimes? How do you plan on helping that effort?

BTW, I agree about Clinton. It was a witch hunt.

[rastaman]

Who is planning to prosecute bush for War Crimes? How do you plan on helping that effort?

BTW, I agree about Clinton. It was a witch hunt.

Here is a steering group committee of leading legal orgnaizations planning to prosecute both Bush and Cheney for war crimes.

The Prosecution for War Crimes of President Bush

Massachusetts law school Dean Lawrence Velvel will chair a Steering Committee to pursue the prosecution for war crimes of President Bush and culpable high-ranking aides after they leave office Jan. 20th.

The Steering Committee was organized following a conference of leading legal authorities and scholars from the U.S. and abroad convened by Velvel on Sept. 13-14 in Andover, Mass., titled “The Justice Robert Jackson Conference On Planning For The Prosecution of High Level American War Criminals.”

“If Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, and others are not prosecuted,” Velvel said, “the future could be threatened by additional examples of Executive lawlessness by leaders who need fear no personal consequences for their actions, including more illegal wars such as Iraq.”

Besides Velvel, members of the Steering Committee include:

Ben Davis, a law Professor at the University of Toledo College of Law, where he teaches Public International Law and International Business Transactions. He is the author of numerous articles on international and related domestic law.

Marjorie Cohn, a law Professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law in San Diego, Calif., and President of the National Lawyers Guild.

Chris Pyle, a Professor at Mount Holyoke College, where he teaches Constitutional law, Civil Liberties, Rights of Privacy, American Politics and American Political Thought, and is the author of many books and articles.

Elaine Scarry, the Walter M. Cabot Professor of Aesthetics and the General Theory of Value at Harvard University, and winner of the Truman Capote Award for Literary Criticism.

Peter Weiss, vice president of the Center For Constitutional Rights, of New York City, which was recently involved with war crimes complaints filed in Germany and Japan against former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and others.

David Swanson, author, activist and founder of AfterDowningStreet.org/CensureBush.org coalition, of Charlottesville, Va.

Kristina Borjesson, an award-winning print and broadcast journalist for more than twenty years and editor of two recent books on the media.

Colleen Costello, Staff Attorney of Human Rights, USA, of Washington, D.C., and coordinator of its efforts involving torture by the American government.

Valeria Gheorghiu, attorney for Workers’ Rights Law Center.

Andy Worthington of Redress, a British historian and journalist and author of books dealing with human rights violations.

Initial actions considered by the Steering Committee, Velvel said, are as follows:

# Seeking prosecutions of high level officials, including George Bush, for the crimes they committed.

# Seeking disbarment of lawyers who were complicitous in facilitating torture.

# Seeking termination from faculty positions of high officials who were complicitous in torture.

# Issuing a recent statement saying any attempt by Bush to pardon himself and aides for war crimes prior to leaving office will result in efforts to obtain impeachment even after they leave office.

# Convening a major conference on the state secret and executive privilege doctrines, which have been pushed to record levels during the Bush administration.

# Designation of an Information Repository Coordinator to gather in one place all available information involving the Bush Administration’s war crimes.

# Possible impeachment of 9th Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Jay Bybee for co-authoring the infamous “torture memo.”

[The Lone Bolt]

Here is a steering group committee of leading legal orgnaizations planning to prosecute both Bush and Cheney for war crimes.

The Prosecution for War Crimes of President Bush

Massachusetts law school Dean Lawrence Velvel will chair a Steering Committee to pursue the prosecution for war crimes of President Bush and culpable high-ranking aides after they leave office Jan. 20th.

The Steering Committee was organized following a conference of leading legal authorities and scholars from the U.S. and abroad convened by Velvel on Sept. 13-14 in Andover, Mass., titled “The Justice Robert Jackson Conference On Planning For The Prosecution of High Level American War Criminals.”

“If Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, and others are not prosecuted,” Velvel said, “the future could be threatened by additional examples of Executive lawlessness by leaders who need fear no personal consequences for their actions, including more illegal wars such as Iraq.”

Besides Velvel, members of the Steering Committee include:

Ben Davis, a law Professor at the University of Toledo College of Law, where he teaches Public International Law and International Business Transactions. He is the author of numerous articles on international and related domestic law.

Marjorie Cohn, a law Professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law in San Diego, Calif., and President of the National Lawyers Guild.

Chris Pyle, a Professor at Mount Holyoke College, where he teaches Constitutional law, Civil Liberties, Rights of Privacy, American Politics and American Political Thought, and is the author of many books and articles.

Elaine Scarry, the Walter M. Cabot Professor of Aesthetics and the General Theory of Value at Harvard University, and winner of the Truman Capote Award for Literary Criticism.

Peter Weiss, vice president of the Center For Constitutional Rights, of New York City, which was recently involved with war crimes complaints filed in Germany and Japan against former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and others.

David Swanson, author, activist and founder of AfterDowningStreet.org/CensureBush.org coalition, of Charlottesville, Va.

Kristina Borjesson, an award-winning print and broadcast journalist for more than twenty years and editor of two recent books on the media.

Colleen Costello, Staff Attorney of Human Rights, USA, of Washington, D.C., and coordinator of its efforts involving torture by the American government.

Valeria Gheorghiu, attorney for Workers’ Rights Law Center.

Andy Worthington of Redress, a British historian and journalist and author of books dealing with human rights violations.

Initial actions considered by the Steering Committee, Velvel said, are as follows:

# Seeking prosecutions of high level officials, including George Bush, for the crimes they committed.

# Seeking disbarment of lawyers who were complicitous in facilitating torture.

# Seeking termination from faculty positions of high officials who were complicitous in torture.

# Issuing a recent statement saying any attempt by Bush to pardon himself and aides for war crimes prior to leaving office will result in efforts to obtain impeachment even after they leave office.

# Convening a major conference on the state secret and executive privilege doctrines, which have been pushed to record levels during the Bush administration.

# Designation of an Information Repository Coordinator to gather in one place all available information involving the Bush Administration’s war crimes.

# Possible impeachment of 9th Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Jay Bybee for co-authoring the infamous “torture memo.”

Fair enough. I've only been arguing that dubya deserves a fair trail before being declared guilty. If they succeed then I will be impressed.

But what are YOU going to do to help the effort to bring one of "Histories Greatest Mass-Murderers" to justice? How much are YOU willing to sacrifice to see justice done?

[SoCalBronco]

You're starting to sound like the Gaffer. :tinfoilha

I'm pretty sure our Sparkler friend Lone Bolt doesn't believe that the Mossad gave Jay the Beetus.

[TailgateNut]

Ok back to the topic at hand folks.

So basically George Bush has been called the biggest criminal the world has ever seen yet nobody in this forum thinks he'll be charged or even serve any time? I'll buy the Dems didn't push for the impeachment as the votes weren't there but if the guy is guilty of war crimes, various felonies, and master mining the single largest attack in American History surely he should pay for these crimes? You mean to tell me all the democrats will stay silent once he leaves office? Will Obama turn the other cheek? If Bush really has the master plan of ruining American and putting the Amero in place wouldn't he need an accomplice in Obama? So many theories. So little evidence and Bush's biggest critics on here won't even take the stance that he'll go to jail? Leads me to believe you guys really don't believe all these accusations you've thrown out.

Also, the "Bush bought a ranch in Paraguay and he intends to run there crowd" doesn't even want to acknowledge that that the United States and Paraguay have an extradition agreement in place? Why would Bush plan a get away there? It makes ZERO sense.

This Democrat will continue writing letters to his reps to push for impeachment. Bush needs to be held accountable and it needs to be clear that we will not condone a president who's lies start wars (Iraq), that we do not condone a president who ignores the suffering of American citizens (Katrina), That we do not condone a president who thinks he can bypass the laws of this country (wiretapping, torture).

[TailgateNut]

Whatever. Bush has been blamed for everything from Global warming to LABF not being able get laid the last 8 years and now Bush won't be charged with anything according to his biggest critics.

It's pretty clear to me that none of you really believed what you've been typing the last 8 years.

BS. I truly believe, in my heart, and with a clear mind, that Bush was and remains a person who acted not on behalf of our country, but only to serve his and his cronies' interests. He and Cheney need to be dragged into a court of law and tried for their crimes.

[TailgateNut]

The question which remains is: Will the Evil one pardon himself and his evil sidekick prior to leaving office? IMM, that would essentially be an admission of guilt.

[kappys]

The problem is with the impeachment clause in the Constitution which requires the President be impeached only for a criminal act - though it gives Congress broad authority to do so.

I'm not sure Bush really committed a crime. Since we reserve for ourselves the right to commit war crimes and even genocide (a point which the Clinton administration successfully argued to the World Court), convicting Bush of war crimes is a moot point.

I would prefer impeachment to be akin to a vote of no confidence that is used against Prime ministers. There is concern that could be misused by a political party for their own gain if they had a majority in Congress - but I think that would be an extremely risky maneuver.

[kappys]

The question which remains is: Will the Evil one pardon himself and his evil sidekick prior to leaving office? IMM, that would essentially be an admission of guilt.

They will never be prosecuted so there is no need.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Whatever. Bush has been blamed for everything from Global warming to LABF not being able get laid the last 8 years...

I'll bet a toothless hick like you has plenty of experience in that department (what you do with sheep doesn't count.)

[Rohirrim]

Bush has cemented his role as the worst, most pathetic, most worthless president in American history. His spot is secure. The soul of Buchanan rejoices. Bush will get what he is due: A hundred years in the future they will still be holding him up as the model of what a president should not be. For centuries people will say, "Well, he sucks, but he's not as bad as the Smirking Chimp."

http://www.pissedonpolitics.com/BushChimp.jpg

[alkemical]

Plenglish? Nothing from the MSM? Do you believe this story, Gunns?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/oct/23/mainsection.tomphillips

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=5324

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0610/S00308.htm

[alkemical]

How could he walk away scot free if it's so obvious he committed numerous felonies? Why would all the dems who want to bury him turn a blind eye when he leaves office? That doesn't make any sense Ro.

Because maybe they are all guilty. Look at the abramoff trial.

[alkemical]

Explain to me why Dems who despise him would stay silent though Slug? It just doesn't add up if he really is a criminal.

Dog and Pony show.

[alkemical]

I believe it, think he should be impeached if not thrown in jail, but unfortunately I have no control over that. One of the reasons I despise Pelosi.

There are no courts of law for these people.

[alkemical]

Ok, so many on this forum have claimed that bush is a sinister criminal mastermind who committed blatant mass-murder and high treason, and these charges have been proven beyond all reasonable doubt. Yet those same posters have a convenient laundry list of excuses as to why the Greatest Criminal of This Century will not answer to even one of his alleged crimes.

So let me ask another question to those posters: what are YOU personally going to do to insure that bush doesn't get away with it? Are you going to march in the streets? Start a movement? Loudly and publicly demand justice each and every day to express your burning outrage?

What are your plans to make him pay for his crimes?

Here's an idea: why don't you all pool your money and hire lawyers to pursue it? Surely there are enough of you across the country who could finance a campain for criminal prosecution? Are you willing to make the small sacrifice of, say, mortgaging your home to make sure bush pays for his crimes? If you are so absolutely sure that you have a case it should be a no-brainer, right?

Wait, you mean like how the US prosecutors got fired or reassigned recently for investigating some issues that went "up the ladder"?

[Meck77]

Because maybe they are all guilty. .

You mean to tell me there are crooks in democratic party? Say it isn't so!

Amesj after 5 pages of of people dancing around I think you finally nailed the answer.


LA-I actually raise goats not sheep. So you got a pick of yourself Fabio? Or is that classified personal information that must remain in your bunker?

[alkemical]

You mean to tell me there are crooks in democratic party? Say it isn't so!

Amesj after 5 pages of of people dancing around I think you finally nailed the answer.


LA-I actually raise goats not sheep. So you got a pick of yourself Fabio? Or is that classified personal information that must remain in your bunker?

Look man - From the US Prosecutors getting canned (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dismissal_of_U.S._attorneys_controversy), and Pelosi stating she won't seek impeachment (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/11/AR2006051101950.html) - it's as obvious as the fricken sun. Why'd you omit my abramoff comment?