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cmhargrove
10-31-2008, 06:49 AM
Trading back in to round 1 to get either a Safety or a MLB.
I'm just saying that the past couple years the LB's and Safeties taken in the bottom of round 1 have been really good ones.
I was looking at Curtis Lofton (a player I wanted) and he is doing great for Atlanta. The year before that, I thought we might go for Jon Beason, and he has been doing great for Carolina.
Griffin, Nelson, Merriweather would have been available at Safety.
We know that we need starting caliber players at those two positions next year. Would you trade a few picks to get back into round 1?
mattob14
10-31-2008, 07:29 AM
Trading back in to round 1 to get either a Safety or a MLB.
I'm just saying that the past couple years the LB's and Safeties taken in the bottom of round 1 have been really good ones.
I was looking at Curtis Lofton (a player I wanted) and he is doing great for Atlanta. The year before that, I thought we might go for Jon Beason, and he has been doing great for Carolina.
Griffin, Nelson, Merriweather would have been available at Safety.
We know that we need starting caliber players at those two positions next year. Would you trade a few picks to get back into round 1?
It's too early to tell, but my gut would be no. The Safety class should be deep this year and we should be able to pick up a nice prospect in round 2. MLB is a possibility if a guy like Spikes is still there, but it depends on what direction we go with our 1st.
Trading back in to round 1 to get either a Safety or a MLB.
I'm just saying that the past couple years the LB's and Safeties taken in the bottom of round 1 have been really good ones.
I was looking at Curtis Lofton (a player I wanted) and he is doing great for Atlanta. The year before that, I thought we might go for Jon Beason, and he has been doing great for Carolina.
Griffin, Nelson, Merriweather would have been available at Safety.
We know that we need starting caliber players at those two positions next year. Would you trade a few picks to get back into round 1?
I dont think so...not for what you said.
nickademus
10-31-2008, 11:06 AM
I am not apposed to getting back into round one if it means we are taking some one like spikes if we went mays or curry with our first pick but I wouldnt give up our 2rd pick to move up and I am not sure I would go with a future first either. I guess it would depend on the price of the pick.
cmhargrove
10-31-2008, 11:39 AM
I am not apposed to getting back into round one if it means we are taking some one like spikes if we went mays or curry with our first pick but I wouldnt give up our 2rd pick to move up and I am not sure I would go with a future first either. I guess it would depend on the price of the pick.
OK, i'll be realistic here.
Let's say we get a really good safety with our true first round pick. Let's say that is pick #20.
So, we use our second, third, and a sixth rounder to jump back into the bottom of the first.
We use four picks to end up with two first rounders, who both could be instant starters on our team next year. MLB and Safety. Worth it?
mattob14
10-31-2008, 12:17 PM
OK, i'll be realistic here.
Let's say we get a really good safety with our true first round pick. Let's say that is pick #20.
So, we use our second, third, and a sixth rounder to jump back into the bottom of the first.
We use four picks to end up with two first rounders, who both could be instant starters on our team next year. MLB and Safety. Worth it?
In that case, I'd definitely say no. Too much to give up, we need the depth of picks. Focus on a DE or LB in round 1, then wait for a Safety to fall into our laps in round 2. You'd get similar talent without having to give up anything.
BroncoMan4ever
10-31-2008, 12:50 PM
In that case, I'd definitely say no. Too much to give up, we need the depth of picks. Focus on a DE or LB in round 1, then wait for a Safety to fall into our laps in round 2. You'd get similar talent without having to give up anything.
i really don't think we should move back into the 1st. for the most part towards the end of the first round there isn't much of a dropoff in talent with 2nd rounders. plus more than likely because of different needs of teams, some players we may value could end up sliding into the 2nd round anyway. so i say keep all of our picks and draft depth
theAPAOps5
10-31-2008, 12:55 PM
How would you feel about...................
FINISHING THE DAMN THREAD TITLE.
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socalorado
10-31-2008, 01:12 PM
IF DEN had the #20 pick in the draft, they would move up even more and get a player they coveted that would be in the top 15.
As for the safety class, there are players like Chung who would start Sun for DEN if they were playing, so realistically i think DEN would be better sreved getting another 2nd rounder instead. This way they could shore up a major position of need or get a player coveted by the FO, and not have to give up as much to get back into the 1st.
The 2nd round has been gold the last few years for real quality players.
Den could get REY REY in the 1st, SS Patrick Chung and RB Arian Foster in the 2nd, and another quality Safety like Rashad Johnson or Kam Chancellor in the 3rd.
1st MLB Rey Maualuga, USC (http://walterfootball.com/pro2009rmaualuga.php)
Height: 6-3. Weight: 250.
Projected 40 Time: 4.68.
Projected Round (2009): Top 15 Pick.
2nd SS Patrick Chung, Oregon
Height: 6-0. Weight: 210.
Projected 40 Time: 4.46.
Projected Round (2009): 2.
2nd RB Arian Foster, Tennessee
Height: 6-1. Weight: 217.
Projected 40 Time: 4.49.
Projected Round (2009): 2-3.
3rd FS Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama
Height: 6-0. Weight: 189.
Projected 40 Time: 4.44.
Projected Round (2009): 3-4.
4th WR Ramses Barden, Cal Poly-SLO
Height: 6-6. Weight: 226.
Projected 40 Time: 4.55.
Projected Round (2009): 4-5.
5th DT George Hypolite, Colorado
Height: 6-1. Weight: 287.
Projected 40 Time: 4.93.
Projected Round: 4.
And so on..........
( do we have 2 4ths or 2 5th?)
theAPAOps5
10-31-2008, 01:19 PM
Why draft a RB number 2 when they think they found one in Torain and aren't prone to draft a RB in round 2 especially when its offense that isn't hurting.
Any draft with a RB in #2 is just flawed in my opinion. SoCalorado its nothing against you its just I have seen several mocks with that. I just think Denver goes huge Defensive overhaul.
nickademus
10-31-2008, 01:30 PM
IF DEN had the #20 pick in the draft, they would move up even more and get a player they coveted that would be in the top 15.
As for the safety class, there are players like Chung who would start Sun for DEN if they were playing, so realistically i think DEN would be better sreved getting another 2nd rounder instead. This way they could shore up a major position of need or get a player coveted by the FO, and not have to give up as much to get back into the 1st.
The 2nd round has been gold the last few years for real quality players.
Den could get REY REY in the 1st, SS Patrick Chung and RB Arian Foster in the 2nd, and another quality Safety like Rashad Johnson or Kam Chancellor in the 3rd.
I agree and feel like this is way more likely and probably in our best interest. I also wouldnt suprise me if we saw some of our current players packaged possibly Doom or something like that. and as in previous years the FO hasnt been apposed to giving away future picks (not the first) to acomplish their goals. I am more excited for this draft than any draft in a long time this will be the second year in a row that the depth of the draft matches some of our biggest needs we are either really ****ty or really lucky I am not sure which.
cmhargrove
10-31-2008, 01:57 PM
IF DEN had the #20 pick in the draft, they would move up even more and get a player they coveted that would be in the top 15.
As for the safety class, there are players like Chung who would start Sun for DEN if they were playing, so realistically i think DEN would be better sreved getting another 2nd rounder instead. This way they could shore up a major position of need or get a player coveted by the FO, and not have to give up as much to get back into the 1st.
The 2nd round has been gold the last few years for real quality players.
Den could get REY REY in the 1st, SS Patrick Chung and RB Arian Foster in the 2nd, and another quality Safety like Rashad Johnson or Kam Chancellor in the 3rd.
OK Socal, so you move up and get another second, i'm with that. A high second rounder could have nabbed us Curtis Lofton this year. So, what's your scenario - trade next year's second?
cmhargrove
10-31-2008, 02:00 PM
How would you feel about...................
FINISHING THE DAMN THREAD TITLE.
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Smart asssssssss. :chairhit:
socalorado
10-31-2008, 02:19 PM
Why draft a RB number 2 when they think they found one in Torain and aren't prone to draft a RB in round 2 especially when its offense that isn't hurting.
Any draft with a RB in #2 is just flawed in my opinion. SoCalorado its nothing against you its just I have seen several mocks with that. I just think Denver goes huge Defensive overhaul.
I think Shanny realizes he goes back to FA, undrafted "well" a little too much and gets him self a big bruiser to take the load off of Cutler.
Cant forget the Run game, and Foster/Torain would be pure evil. Throw in Young for $h!ts and giggles and man is that one menacing offense. Wanna go fast and throw all day? Sure!
Wanna slow it down and grind the opposing D down? Sure!
socalorado
10-31-2008, 02:23 PM
OK Socal, so you move up and get another second, i'm with that. A high second rounder could have nabbed us Curtis Lofton this year. So, what's your scenario - trade next year's second?
DEN would have to give up possibly BOTH 5ths this year or a 5th this year, and a 3rd next year. Extra picks could help. Also, does anyone know if DEN gets a compensatory pick this year? I think they do. Considering the DWilliams and MNash deaths, i think DEN will get at least 1 compensatory pick. So, those extra picks in the 5th and 7th could all be used to move up to get another 2nd, and DEN never really loses out. thats IF they get compensatory picks. If not, they take the hit or make a trade.
I dont want them to trade away any players though. Just give up picks.
Kaylore
10-31-2008, 03:02 PM
We won't need to trade back. There will be plenty of good linebackers and safeties in the first day this year. We just need some coaches and personnel people who understand defensive talent and can develop it.
azbroncfan
10-31-2008, 04:49 PM
who both could be instant starters on our team next year. MLB and Safety. Worth it?
You could draft a 7th round S and sign an UFA and they would both be upgrades and instant starters.
BroncoMan4ever
11-01-2008, 01:02 AM
Why draft a RB number 2 when they think they found one in Torain and aren't prone to draft a RB in round 2 especially when its offense that isn't hurting.
Any draft with a RB in #2 is just flawed in my opinion. SoCalorado its nothing against you its just I have seen several mocks with that. I just think Denver goes huge Defensive overhaul.
i agree that we should go all out on defense, but unless Torain comes in and puts up good numbers and proves he can be the RB of the future, it would not surprise me one bit to see Shanahan pull the trigger on an early round RB.
IF DEN had the #20 pick in the draft, they would move up even more and get a player they coveted that would be in the top 15.
As for the safety class, there are players like Chung who would start Sun for DEN if they were playing, so realistically i think DEN would be better sreved getting another 2nd rounder instead. This way they could shore up a major position of need or get a player coveted by the FO, and not have to give up as much to get back into the 1st.
The 2nd round has been gold the last few years for real quality players.
Den could get REY REY in the 1st, SS Patrick Chung and RB Arian Foster in the 2nd, and another quality Safety like Rashad Johnson or Kam Chancellor in the 3rd.
1st MLB Rey Maualuga, USC (http://walterfootball.com/pro2009rmaualuga.php)
Height: 6-3. Weight: 250.
Projected 40 Time: 4.68.
Projected Round (2009): Top 15 Pick.
2nd SS Patrick Chung, Oregon
Height: 6-0. Weight: 210.
Projected 40 Time: 4.46.
Projected Round (2009): 2.
2nd RB Arian Foster, Tennessee
Height: 6-1. Weight: 217.
Projected 40 Time: 4.49.
Projected Round (2009): 2-3.
3rd FS Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama
Height: 6-0. Weight: 189.
Projected 40 Time: 4.44.
Projected Round (2009): 3-4.
4th WR Ramses Barden, Cal Poly-SLO
Height: 6-6. Weight: 226.
Projected 40 Time: 4.55.
Projected Round (2009): 4-5.
5th DT George Hypolite, Colorado
Height: 6-1. Weight: 287.
Projected 40 Time: 4.93.
Projected Round: 4.
And so on..........
( do we have 2 4ths or 2 5th?)
Arian Foster is a fumbler.
Why draft a RB number 2 when they think they found one in Torain and aren't prone to draft a RB in round 2 especially when its offense that isn't hurting.
Any draft with a RB in #2 is just flawed in my opinion. SoCalorado its nothing against you its just I have seen several mocks with that. I just think Denver goes huge Defensive overhaul.
This Torain hype machine is really amazing considering he hasnt even played a preaseason game. Why a RB in Rd 2? Because theres a difference between 2nd rd RBs and 5th Rd RBs...and that difference is well utilized in Denver. Take Spiller for example. People say we already have someone similar to that in Selvin Young. Out of all of Selvin Youngs runs over 30 yards, how many of them ended up in the endzone? None. The difference between, say, a Spiller and a Young is that those long runs end up in the endzone. There was a run Hall had against the Raiders that was about 10 yards where if he would have had the vision to make one defender miss, he would have been gone for 80 yards. The better RBs make that guy miss.
Additionally, a better running game should balance out the offense and give it better consistency. The running game is how we won SBs. We should not be minimizing it.
It may be Davis, it may be Spiller, or it may be someone else. If its Davis, it may say something about Torain as both are viewed more as grinders than, say, Spiller. If its Spiller or even Ringer, then they would be complimentary to what they think Torain can bring to the table. But either way, Denver taking a RB in the 1st or 2nd isnt a waste as it maximizes what is typically a strength. We dont have the line we had back in the day but its not horrible and our passing game is effective enough to open up the run. Currently, we have 9 picks in the draft (8 depending on how much Robertson plays). If we took one or two offensive players, I dont see the justification for everyone freaking out. I know we need defense but I find it interesting that some people on one had will say that any S taken in the 5th will be an upgrade over what we have now and then freak out when we dont take a S in the 1st.
mattob14
11-01-2008, 10:48 AM
DEN would have to give up possibly BOTH 5ths this year or a 5th this year, and a 3rd next year. Extra picks could help. Also, does anyone know if DEN gets a compensatory pick this year? I think they do. Considering the DWilliams and MNash deaths, i think DEN will get at least 1 compensatory pick. So, those extra picks in the 5th and 7th could all be used to move up to get another 2nd, and DEN never really loses out. thats IF they get compensatory picks. If not, they take the hit or make a trade.
I dont want them to trade away any players though. Just give up picks.
Now if it were just that easy. We're not getting a 2nd for a couple of 5ths and maybe a future 3rd. There's too much quality there for teams to move down 100 spots in the draft. I like the idea though, I'd rather pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd too. I thing I'd use it on one the top Centers that should be available though. That'd be the last piece to secure the future of the O-line.
nickademus
11-01-2008, 02:01 PM
wasnt litch ranked as the top center last year? I would not mind if we got a C in this draft so long as who ever that is can play either G spot as well.
wasnt litch ranked as the top center last year? I would not mind if we got a C in this draft so long as who ever that is can play either G spot as well.
Pollak, Justice and Sullivan were names you typically heard that were ahead of Lichtensteiger. And the centers last year werent slotted as high as the ones this year.
theAPAOps5
11-01-2008, 02:49 PM
Lex I am not hyping Torain I am judging by the reaction of Shanny to him. He has 9 games to show it. If he doesn't you are right time to draft a RB high. But if he shows the coaches enough I guarantee you this team won't draft a RB high.
I know you really don't like Torain but like everyone even the ones ridding his jock we should see how he plays in real live football first.
I for one think this whole next draft should be spent on the D.
Lex I am not hyping Torain I am judging by the reaction of Shanny to him. He has 9 games to show it. If he doesn't you are right time to draft a RB high. But if he shows the coaches enough I guarantee you this team won't draft a RB high.
I know you really don't like Torain but like everyone even the ones ridding his jock we should see how he plays in real live football first.
I for one think this whole next draft should be spent on the D.
Sorry, but Im just not willing to buy into the hype like you and many others.
Doggcow
11-01-2008, 03:10 PM
I like Brandon Spikes MLB out of Florida. He has speed, great persuit and play recognition. I also like that he plays with attitude and could bring that to our D. I think he's somewhere in the 2nd round+ too.
I like Brandon Spikes MLB out of Florida. He has speed, great persuit and play recognition. I also like that he plays with attitude and could bring that to our D. I think he's somewhere in the 2nd round+ too.
I think he is more likely going to go in the 20s depending on needs of those teams. If Denver took them with their 1st and we were drafting 18-24, I wouldnt complain.
want2bAbronco2
11-01-2008, 03:38 PM
[QUOTE=socalorado;2146730]
1st MLB Rey Maualuga, USC (http://walterfootball.com/pro2009rmaualuga.php)
Height: 6-3. Weight: 250.
Projected 40 Time: 4.68.
Projected Round (2009): Top 15 Pick.
/QUOTE]
I would LOVE this pick.....but he will be a top 10.
BroncoMan4ever
11-01-2008, 08:47 PM
[QUOTE=socalorado;2146730]
1st MLB Rey Maualuga, USC (http://walterfootball.com/pro2009rmaualuga.php)
Height: 6-3. Weight: 250.
Projected 40 Time: 4.68.
Projected Round (2009): Top 15 Pick.
/QUOTE]
I would LOVE this pick.....but he will be a top 10.
i like him but he seems to disappear on plays a lot. i think his OLB's make him look better than he actually is. I would personally take Spikes, Curry and Laurinitus before him
BroncoMan4ever
11-01-2008, 08:52 PM
Lex I am not hyping Torain I am judging by the reaction of Shanny to him. He has 9 games to show it. If he doesn't you are right time to draft a RB high. But if he shows the coaches enough I guarantee you this team won't draft a RB high.
I know you really don't like Torain but like everyone even the ones ridding his jock we should see how he plays in real live football first.
I for one think this whole next draft should be spent on the D.
i like the upside Torain brings and if he can show some resistance to injury, and play decent the next 9 games, i would be fine with us not using a high pick on a RB, but if he comes in gets injured or plays like crap, i want Shanahan to pull the trigger on a RB no later than the 3rd round
i like the upside Torain brings and if he can show some resistance to injury, and play decent the next 9 games, i would be fine with us not using a high pick on a RB, but if he comes in gets injured or plays like crap, i want Shanahan to pull the trigger on a RB no later than the 3rd round
In 3 of the past 4 years Torain has missed significant time due to injury. 4 years ago it was 4 games with an ankle. Last year, he missed half the season with a foot injury. And then this year he has missed half the season because of an elbow. Is that not enough to justify getting a RB? Even if you like what he does the rest of the year, isnt a higher degree of uncertainty with his ability to stay on the field...moreso than most RBs?
BroncoMan4ever
11-02-2008, 01:37 AM
In 3 of the past 4 years Torain has missed significant time due to injury. 4 years ago it was 4 games with an ankle. Last year, he missed half the season with a foot injury. And then this year he has missed half the season because of an elbow. Is that not enough to justify getting a RB? Even if you like what he does the rest of the year, isnt a higher degree of uncertainty with his ability to stay on the field...moreso than most RBs?
Dude, I am one of the few posters who has been saying we need a stud RB since i began posting here. And with Torain, i personally don't think he can handle the pounding and stay healthy enough to warrant not using an early pick on a RB.
But as a Broncos fan, and believer of Shanahan, i give him the benefit of the doubt and remember that TD had a few injury concerns coming out of college and that turned out pretty good when he earned his opportunity.
Now i think the only way we are ever going to see our running game have the type of dominance it had with TD or Portis or even Anderson, is to draft a big badass in the early rounds of the draft.
I am of the thinking that a good RB would aid our defense as well as Jay as it would return us to a more balanced offense, force defenses to bring more defenders down into the box and give Jay more one-on-ones in the passing game, while also chewing up time of possession and keeping our more than likely rebuilding defense off the field. so in that sense a RB would be a really smart draft pick even though we need defensive players; even though many here don't believe that a RB is a smart pick or should be a priority.
Dude, I am one of the few posters who has been saying we need a stud RB since i began posting here. And with Torain, i personally don't think he can handle the pounding and stay healthy enough to warrant not using an early pick on a RB.
But as a Broncos fan, and believer of Shanahan, i give him the benefit of the doubt and remember that TD had a few injury concerns coming out of college and that turned out pretty good when he earned his opportunity.
Now i think the only way we are ever going to see our running game have the type of dominance it had with TD or Portis or even Anderson, is to draft a big badass in the early rounds of the draft.
I am of the thinking that a good RB would aid our defense as well as Jay as it would return us to a more balanced offense, force defenses to bring more defenders down into the box and give Jay more one-on-ones in the passing game, while also chewing up time of possession and keeping our more than likely rebuilding defense off the field. so in that sense a RB would be a really smart draft pick even though we need defensive players; even though many here don't believe that a RB is a smart pick or should be a priority.
Theres too much risk with Torain to leave it to chance. And I dont really put a lot of trust in Shanahan on this one. A lot of what was behind trading Portis was Shanahan believing he could put anyone in at RB. Now years later we know how arrogant that is. But Shanahans stubborn and still wants to believe he can convert a 5th round pick into a gem. The only thing about that is, its how many years after Portis left? Apparently its not as easy as Shanahan chose to believe. But finally he thinks Torain can justify his hubris even though he had to wait 5 years. But Shanahan routinely overhypes RBs. Remember Mike Bell?
nickademus
11-02-2008, 09:16 AM
Dude, I am one of the few posters who has been saying we need a stud RB since i began posting here. And with Torain, i personally don't think he can handle the pounding and stay healthy enough to warrant not using an early pick on a RB.
But as a Broncos fan, and believer of Shanahan, i give him the benefit of the doubt and remember that TD had a few injury concerns coming out of college and that turned out pretty good when he earned his opportunity.
Now i think the only way we are ever going to see our running game have the type of dominance it had with TD or Portis or even Anderson, is to draft a big badass in the early rounds of the draft.
I am of the thinking that a good RB would aid our defense as well as Jay as it would return us to a more balanced offense, force defenses to bring more defenders down into the box and give Jay more one-on-ones in the passing game, while also chewing up time of possession and keeping our more than likely rebuilding defense off the field. so in that sense a RB would be a really smart draft pick even though we need defensive players; even though many here don't believe that a RB is a smart pick or should be a priority.
I agree with you about our need for a RB and was crying for Mendenhall last year, but the problem I have with this draft is that the RB's available don't seem to represent a huge upgrade from Torian or Pittman and for what we are discussing we need a RB who would be an upgrade to make the system work. I like Wells and Moreno has been growing on me the more I have watched him this season he really reminds me of Portis at the U. But if we are forced to pick between a RB and a Mike or Curry in the first I would go with the a Mike or Curry, the rest of the backs in this draft dont impress me enough to get away from our needs on D.
I agree with you about our need for a RB and was crying for Mendenhall last year, but the problem I have with this draft is that the RB's available don't seem to represent a huge upgrade from Torian or Pittman and for what we are discussing we need a RB who would be an upgrade to make the system work. I like Wells and Moreno has been growing on me the more I have watched him this season he really reminds me of Portis at the U. But if we are forced to pick between a RB and a Mike or Curry in the first I would go with the a Mike or Curry, the rest of the backs in this draft dont impress me enough to get away from our needs on D.
He's not really like Portis. Portis is/was faster. Moreno has great balance and strength to go with is. Actually, Moreno's style reminds me more of TD.
nickademus
11-02-2008, 09:45 AM
I guess I was referring more to his size than anything. And I do like the balance he runs with he also seems to have great vision. the bottom line is he is a fun RB to watch but 207 probably closer to 200 will he be able to take an NFL beating?
BroncoMan4ever
11-02-2008, 10:54 AM
I am actually thinking Shonn Greene in the 2nd would be the best guy to pick, big, strong, powerful, runs between the tackles. he would not be a bad move.
I wouldn't be opposed to us trading our 1st in 2010 for another 2nd next year so we could draft both a RB and a Safety or MLB, whichever we don't get in the 1st.
I am actually thinking Shonn Greene in the 2nd would be the best guy to pick, big, strong, powerful, runs between the tackles. he would not be a bad move.
I wouldn't be opposed to us trading our 1st in 2010 for another 2nd next year so we could draft both a RB and a Safety or MLB, whichever we don't get in the 1st.
Id take him in the 3rd.
BroncoMan4ever
11-02-2008, 12:03 PM
Id take him in the 3rd.
do you think he would still be available in the 3rd? i mean this years draft class of RB's isn't very deep and that might cause him to end up as a middle of the 2nd pick when he normally would be a 3rd
do you think he would still be available in the 3rd? i mean this years draft class of RB's isn't very deep and that might cause him to end up as a middle of the 2nd pick when he normally would be a 3rd
Id rather not reach for him. I would use a third on him. Im just not sure how many people will be clamoring for a RB. You got Wells, Moreno, McCoy, James Davis, Javon Ringer, and Shonn Greene. And some teams may put someone from an obscure school like Rashad Jennings in that mix too. I think a lot of teams who took RBs in the first 3 rounds last year did so expecting to not take a RB this year.
nickademus
11-02-2008, 04:28 PM
Wow 7 yards rushing today. that was horrible Im am in for any upgrade to this running game we can get. Draft a freaking MIKE and at this point I am all for giving away our 2010 first if moreno slides. get chung in the 2nd and spend the third on another ILB or a project DL make the pick freaking count.
Wow 7 yards rushing today. that was horrible Im am in for any upgrade to this running game we can get. Draft a freaking MIKE and at this point I am all for giving away our 2010 first if moreno slides. get chung in the 2nd and spend the third on another ILB or a project DL make the pick freaking count.
The problem with that is that a future years pick typically loses one round in value. So, a 2nd next year would equate to a 3rd this year. And a 1st next year, would translate to a 2nd this year...typically. What we may need to do is sign a big ticket DE and then trade Doom. That would be more likely to give us the flexibility to move around in the 1st or 2nd. Yeah, Doom is a situational player but its a skill that theres a high premium on. Its just for us, we cant protect his weaknesses as well as other teams so he should hold more value with other teams.
nickademus
11-02-2008, 09:13 PM
The problem with that is that a future years pick typically loses one round in value. So, a 2nd next year would equate to a 3rd this year. And a 1st next year, would translate to a 2nd this year...typically. What we may need to do is sign a big ticket DE and then trade Doom. That would be more likely to give us the flexibility to move around in the 1st or 2nd. Yeah, Doom is a situational player but its a skill that theres a high premium on. Its just for us, we cant protect his weaknesses as well as other teams so he should hold more value with other teams.
I knew it was lower I just didnt know how much lower it would be and honestly if we have to ship doom I am not all that broken up provided we sign Peppers or Suggs and let Moss develop on the other side as the new situational guy with another FA as the runn stuffing DE like Marcus Spears.
BroncoMan4ever
11-03-2008, 01:01 AM
I say trade our 2010 1st and get another 2nd, so we can get a MIKE, S, and RB that would all be studs.
7 yards today, just reinforces the argument that a talented RB is needed. and don;t give me that crap about a bad day and that the running game is still ok with garbage runners. This team needs a stud RB.
does anyone seriously think that a good RB would have gotten shelled for 7 yards in a game?
a good RB would have at least hit the 50 yard mark.
driver
11-03-2008, 02:51 AM
Why draft a RB number 2 when they think they found one in Torain and aren't prone to draft a RB in round 2 especially when its offense that isn't hurting.
Any draft with a RB in #2 is just flawed in my opinion. SoCalorado its nothing against you its just I have seen several mocks with that. I[B] just think Denver goes huge Defensive overhaul.
IMO 2lbs 2s 1dt 1de 1cb and whatever.
Breaker
11-03-2008, 04:00 AM
OK, i'll be realistic here.
Let's say we get a really good safety with our true first round pick. Let's say that is pick #20.
So, we use our second, third, and a sixth rounder to jump back into the bottom of the first.
We use four picks to end up with two first rounders, who both could be instant starters on our team next year. MLB and Safety. Worth it?
That is too much to give up. I always have believed that if you are going to give a sixth rounder there is a guy on your existing roster that is worth that 6th that does not fit into your plans long term so you send him instead. Plus you have to look at what free agency brings. I have NO idea what happened to Koutivides (slaughtered that one) I mean all that money for a special teams players makes me sick. Facts are these, out of 11 players on the Defense we only have two positions in which we have above average players, Champ and DJ, one position at which we have a very solid player who makes an impact, that being Boss, and a situational DE in Doom. Other than that our D is a bunch of freaking retreads.
I have never been a fan of going after the huge name FA. I have always thought that FA was meant to supplement the team with quality players who are around to be put in the right spot at the right time so they can make an impact. FA who come in and truly dominate for a new team are incredibly rare, even more so on the defensive side of the ball.
Clearly we will be drafting in the top 15 again. We could easily go as low as 10th.