View Full Version : Ray Ray....???
mope81
10-29-2008, 10:20 AM
I am going to just throw this out there. What if and it is a big what if. Ray Lewis is available next year. He is in a contract year. He is one of the few players that can make a defense better just by leadership. We are weak in the middle and at leadership if you ask me ever since Al left. And I know.... I know.... that he may have lost a step but he is still playing at a high level. We have a young core of defensive players and with the right leadership they could turn a corner. Especially if that leader is Ray Lewis. Not to mention Ray was known to play with the Broncos in Madden :thumbsup: haha
Anyway mull it over and flame away!!! haha
Until next time when I push for B. Jacobs to be the next pickup unless Torain turns out to be the real deal.
bowtown
10-29-2008, 10:22 AM
Not to mention Ray was known to play with the Broncos in Madden :thumbsup: haha
You play a lot of that, don't you.
kappys
10-29-2008, 10:23 AM
Rather have Mike Peterson if we are picking from over the hill MLB's
montrose
10-29-2008, 10:26 AM
A player of Ray's playmaking ability, passion and leadership is exactly what the defense needs but there's no way Baltimore is going to let him go. My dad saw on the news the other day they're close to an extention anyhow. We need to focus on drafting the next Ray Lewis, but I'd make our top defensive priority drafting the next Steve Atwater...
mope81
10-29-2008, 10:28 AM
You play a lot of that, don't you.
Is that ment:
A) I really play Madden? No have not played this years.
B) Only would happen in a Madden world? Yeah because Denver doesnot like to bring in SOON TO BE washed up talent.
Notice I said soon to be because he still is playing well and the pickup would be more for a leadership role anyway.
broncofan7
10-29-2008, 10:51 AM
No murderers on my favorite team.
PERIOD.
TonyR
10-29-2008, 10:59 AM
He'd be mediocre behind our D-line.
Crushaholic
10-29-2008, 11:00 AM
Ray Lewis would send us into cap hell. No way would he sign for the vet minimum. I think I would pass...
WolfpackGuy
10-29-2008, 11:02 AM
Hell no. He'd be bytchin before the end of preseason OTA's playing behind Denver's defensive line. He'd also be liable to murder someone else if he actually had to take on a block. No thanks.
cabronco
10-29-2008, 11:08 AM
I'd like to have a killer linebacking core, but not literally.
Kaylore
10-29-2008, 11:09 AM
Step 1: Get some coaches on the staff who know what they're doing on defense.
Step 2: Have the above coaches work with the Goodman's to get the help we need in the draft.
Step 3: Watch coach get the players to play together. They look raw and make some dumb mistakes, but they make enough plays when they need to be respectable.
step 4: Rinse and repeat.
broncofan2438
10-29-2008, 11:10 AM
Yea, there is no way Baltimore gets rid of him
TheReverend
10-29-2008, 11:12 AM
Actually... yes. You get a guy that can bring and teach and instill that type of attitude to the team while they start putting young pieces in on defense. Yes, in a word, I guess.
Denver Crush
10-29-2008, 11:12 AM
No murderers on my favorite team.
PERIOD.
This should be the end of any argument about this subject.
cutthemdown
10-29-2008, 11:23 AM
Step 1: Get some coaches on the staff who know what they're doing on defense.
Step 2: Have the above coaches work with the Goodman's to get the help we need in the draft.
Step 3: Watch coach get the players to play together. They look raw and make some dumb mistakes, but they make enough plays when they need to be respectable.
step 4: Rinse and repeat.
How will new coaches help when the talent is so poor. We need like 4-5 new starters on defense more then we need new coaching.
cutthemdown
10-29-2008, 11:54 AM
Broncos need to go for younger players. IMO you don't go for a vet like Lewis until your defense has like 7-8 really good young players on it.
Kaylore
10-29-2008, 11:57 AM
How will new coaches help when the talent is so poor. We need like 4-5 new starters on defense more then we need new coaching.
The talent isn't as bad as you think.
Jason in LA
10-29-2008, 12:02 PM
My only issue with bringing him in is his age. He'll be 34 next year. He won't be the player that he was five years ago.
Jason in LA
10-29-2008, 12:04 PM
The talent isn't as bad as you think.
I tend to agree with this. They don't have the greatest talent in the world, but with the talent they do have they shouldn't be so bad. I've seen some piss poor play calling this year.
maher_tyler
10-29-2008, 12:17 PM
Just draft a BA MLB and S...i wouldn't be upset at all if we spent the entire next draft on D alone!!
BroncoMan4ever
10-29-2008, 01:34 PM
he is too old, and would want to be paid like a top 3 MLB which would kill us in the capo and take away any other options in FA for a guy who might only have another 2 years left. plus he is a murderer and i don't want a murderer on my team
BabyTO
10-29-2008, 01:53 PM
Rather have Mike Peterson if we are picking from over the hill MLB's
He's arguably the best MLB in the game right now so not sure what you're talking about. Besides his leadership skills are off the charts, thats the biggest thing he brings to the table.
socalorado
10-29-2008, 02:07 PM
No murderers. No. NO AND HELL NO.
Just draft a MLB, theres plenty of good ones
DEN needs to get the new REY REY
http://pyleoflist.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/closeup-rey.jpg
bowtown
10-29-2008, 02:36 PM
He's arguably the best MLB in the game right now so not sure what you're talking about. Besides his leadership skills are off the charts, thats the biggest thing he brings to the table.
I'll respond to this with one of your own quotes in the Clady thread:
He's gettin plenty help from the guys around him
Lewis is a good leader in the locker room, but if unless he's also bringing Suggs, Ngata, and Reed with him, I'm not sure how effective he would be on the field for us... especially for what he will most likely cost.
watermock
10-29-2008, 03:07 PM
Age and money. and Louis Vitton baggage.
Draft defense and a RB. It's likely to be an uncapped year in 2010, we'll see how loose Bowlen really is.
It freaks me out we are almost to 2010.
Hotrod
10-29-2008, 03:33 PM
Sure why not it is not like we need to have $ to rebuild the Dline, S, Rb. Who needs safetys or Dline when you have a 34 year old MLB.
Of course if we brake the bank on Ray Ray we can kiss long term extension good bye for Champ, Jay, BMarsh,
Los Broncos
10-29-2008, 03:47 PM
No killers around, thanks.
BabyTO
10-29-2008, 05:05 PM
I'll respond to this with one of your own quotes in the Clady thread:
Lewis is a good leader in the locker room, but if unless he's also bringing Suggs, Ngata, and Reed with him, I'm not sure how effective he would be on the field for us... especially for what he will most likely cost.
Our problem is that our linebackers cant find the ball. They have no idea how to stop the run, they always take poor angles and they miss tackles. We would fix this problem by bringing in Ray. He's the best block-shedding linebacker in the league and he knows how to work through "trash". He doesnt get stuck.
Play2win
10-29-2008, 05:59 PM
No murderers. No. NO AND HELL NO.
Just draft a MLB, theres plenty of good ones
DEN needs to get the new REY REY
http://pyleoflist.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/closeup-rey.jpg
beat me to it...
Ray Ray... Hell NO!
REY REY... Oh HELL YES!!!!
TheReverend
10-29-2008, 06:17 PM
No murderers. No. NO AND HELL NO.
Just draft a MLB, theres plenty of good ones
DEN needs to get the new REY REY
http://pyleoflist.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/closeup-rey.jpg
I think there's a good chance that happens without mortgaging the rest of the draft.
Obviously, this is all pending the track meet at the combine, but I'm pretty confident Spikes comes off the board first. I'm very hopeful that Laurinitis does NOT take the annual white back seven player nose dive, so he can push Rey further down to where Denver will most likely be picking in the early 20s.
2KBack
10-29-2008, 06:28 PM
I think there's a good chance that happens without mortgaging the rest of the draft.
Obviously, this is all pending the track meet at the combine, but I'm pretty confident Spikes comes off the board first. I'm very hopeful that Laurinitis does NOT take the annual white back seven player nose dive, so he can push Rey further down to where Denver will most likely be picking in the early 20s.
That sounds lovely, but it also sounds too good to be what happens
Florida_Bronco
10-29-2008, 06:51 PM
Step 1: Get some coaches on the staff who know what they're doing on defense.
Step 2: Have the above coaches work with the Goodman's to get the help we need in the draft.
Step 3: Watch coach get the players to play together. They look raw and make some dumb mistakes, but they make enough plays when they need to be respectable.
step 4: Rinse and repeat.
Amen.
cutthemdown
10-29-2008, 07:17 PM
The talent isn't as bad as you think.
It's actually worst then I thought it would. We have a huge group of defenders that after Denver cuts them will never start in the NFL again.
cutthemdown
10-29-2008, 07:20 PM
Our problem is that our linebackers cant find the ball. They have no idea how to stop the run, they always take poor angles and they miss tackles. We would fix this problem by bringing in Ray. He's the best block-shedding linebacker in the league and he knows how to work through "trash". He doesnt get stuck.
Part of being a good football player goes beyond just size, speed, athletic ability. It's the inner voice that tells you where to run and when to run there.
Linebackers have to have to be able to decipher the play faster then any of the other defender IMO. Broncos linebackers just aren't that good of football players. Webster takes horrid angles. Boss Bailey never tries to fight through blocks and you can't play the strong side like that. Winborn just isn't very good and makes stupid mistakes. DJ is the only decent one out of the bunch and the only one worth keeping as a starter.
It's actually worst then I thought it would. We have a huge group of defenders that after Denver cuts them will never start in the NFL again.
It would be great if every player on our defense was an all pro but most teams dont have that. Tennessee has a stellar defense but its not like they have 11 all pros. Face it. Slowik sucks. He cant scheme pressure and one of the reasons is because his coverages undermine his blitzes. He also doesnt understand how blitzing and stunting affects blocking. He's a DB coach, thats not his bailiwick. And its very apparent he is in over his head as a DC.
TheReverend
10-29-2008, 07:36 PM
That sounds lovely, but it also sounds too good to be what happens
Time will tell. All should be solid to great pros and one of the three is sure to be available. Worst case scenario is one costs an extra 3rd to scoot up a bit.
BTW, you can keep Ray Lewis. Ill take Suggs or Peppers though.
cutthemdown
10-29-2008, 08:09 PM
It would be great if every player on our defense was an all pro but most teams dont have that. Tennessee has a stellar defense but its not like they have 11 all pros. Face it. Slowik sucks. He cant scheme pressure and one of the reasons is because his coverages undermine his blitzes. He also doesnt understand how blitzing and stunting affects blocking. He's a DB coach, thats not his bailiwick. And its very apparent he is in over his head as a DC.
I didn't say we needed all pros at every spot. I said we need 4-5 new starters. The Broncos have players that just shouldn't be on any football field.
Titans have a stud in Keith Bullocks, A stud in Haynesworth, and a stud in Vanden Bosch. Throw in Kearse, Chris Hope at safety and that's the type of defense you can build around.
If Broncos had Haynesworth, Vanden Bosch and Bullocks then I wouldn't say they lacked talent. I would say Broncos are going to kick ass now. # stud players makes all the difference in the world.
Have you watched much Titan football? Haynesworth just tosses 2 players around on each play. That type of force makes all the difference in the world. Bullocks fights through blocks, runs around blocks, tackles like a madman. Broncos just don't have that type of physical play at linebacker.
What a terrible comparison you made. Titans defense is stocked full of talent.
I didn't say we needed all pros at every spot. I said we need 4-5 new starters. The Broncos have players that just shouldn't be on any football field.
Titans have a stud in Keith Bullocks, A stud in Haynesworth, and a stud in Vanden Bosch. Throw in Kearse, Chris Hope at safety and that's the type of defense you can build around.
If Broncos had Haynesworth, Vanden Bosch and Bullocks then I wouldn't say they lacked talent. I would say Broncos are going to kick ass now. # stud players makes all the difference in the world.
Have you watched much Titan football? Haynesworth just tosses 2 players around on each play. That type of force makes all the difference in the world. Bullocks fights through blocks, runs around blocks, tackles like a madman. Broncos just don't have that type of physical play at linebacker.
What a terrible comparison you made. Titans defense is stocked full of talent.
Like others have said. Denver doesnt have top 5 talent but they dont have bottom 5 talent either. The defense is indeed worse than the sum of its parts. Bates was fired/demoted around a year ago and the defense was actually better then when we didnt have this offense and have the personnel to run his system. Slowik has had a multitude of advantages that Bates didnt have and here we are a year later and, yet, the defense is worse.
ANIMAL24
10-29-2008, 08:30 PM
emm ya they do have have bottom 5 talent on d
emm ya they do have have bottom 5 talent on d
No, but they have an epically bad defensive coordinator so its easy to think that. When you have a defensive coordinator who is this bad, its hard to tell what youre needs are.
No thaks to Ray Ray but Hell YES to Rey Rey !!!!
As in Rey Maualuga
I've had it with replants on this defense. We seem to draft excellent on the offensive side of the ball. We need to get a top notch defensive mind in Denver and have him start fresh and that includes drafting good young players. We're fools if we draft an offensive player next year.
I would be most happy if we could end up with either of these 3 guys. They would be my first targets.
Taylor Mays (SS/FS, USC)
James Laurinaitis (MLB, OSU)
Rey Maualuga (MLB, USC)
I think landing James or Rey will be a long shot but Taylor is totally doable and probably could be had middle to late 1st round, which would allow us to pick up Brandon Spikes (MLB, Florida) in the 2nd.
I didn't say we needed all pros at every spot. I said we need 4-5 new starters. The Broncos have players that just shouldn't be on any football field.
Titans have a stud in Keith Bullocks, A stud in Haynesworth, and a stud in Vanden Bosch. Throw in Kearse, Chris Hope at safety and that's the type of defense you can build around.
If Broncos had Haynesworth, Vanden Bosch and Bullocks then I wouldn't say they lacked talent. I would say Broncos are going to kick ass now. # stud players makes all the difference in the world.
Have you watched much Titan football? Haynesworth just tosses 2 players around on each play. That type of force makes all the difference in the world. Bullocks fights through blocks, runs around blocks, tackles like a madman. Broncos just don't have that type of physical play at linebacker.
What a terrible comparison you made. Titans defense is stocked full of talent.
Tennessee is a great comparison. They have two studs in haynesworth and bullocks. Vanden Bosch is good not great. They don't have a lot of all-pro talent, but they have it at the right places and that is where we are missing. We've got nothing close to a stud on the line, and DJ is questionable at LB...
One difference maker on the line could turn the entire difference around with a better coordinator...but slowik is dead weight either way
ANIMAL24
10-29-2008, 09:21 PM
No, but they have an epically bad defensive coordinator so its easy to think that. When you have a defensive coordinator who is this bad, its hard to tell what youre needs are.
Yea slo is terrible, but only 4 of our starters would start on other nfl teams.
~Crash~
10-29-2008, 09:30 PM
It's actually worst then I thought it would. We have a huge group of defenders that after Denver cuts them will never start in the NFL again.
you know you have not one ****ing clue ....:spit:
~Crash~
10-29-2008, 09:31 PM
not ****ing one ..your takes are ****ed up !!!!!!!!!!!!!
~Crash~
10-29-2008, 09:33 PM
We need a MLB'er but you guys need to think speed and the names I seen are not going to cut it .
Yea slo is terrible, but only 4 of our starters would start on other nfl teams.
thats a joke...
cutthemdown
10-29-2008, 10:56 PM
Tennessee is a great comparison. They have two studs in haynesworth and bullocks. Vanden Bosch is good not great. They don't have a lot of all-pro talent, but they have it at the right places and that is where we are missing. We've got nothing close to a stud on the line, and DJ is questionable at LB...
One difference maker on the line could turn the entire difference around with a better coordinator...but slowik is dead weight either way
I disagree. Chris Hope is loads better then any safety we have. Vanden Bosch would start on the Broncos. He had like 30 sacks over the last 3 yrs. That's pretty good. He only has 3 this yr but I bet he ends up with close to 10 again because he is always near the QB. Then on the other side they have Jevon Kearse who isn't what he used to be but would still start on Denver.
Then on top of Hope the have the young safety Micheal Griffith. Wow I love how this kid plays. He's 200 pounds, fast, has a nose for the ball.
The talent on the Titans is so much better then Broncos it's not even close.
It's a bad comparison.
~Crash~
10-30-2008, 07:27 AM
Am I the only one that thinks the Broncos dont devlop Players ? we got plenty of good D players on this team ....We need MLB'er more than any thing . then atleast 2 S All in the draft .
DT should be bought (FA)they take more time to come around and Thomas seems to came a live last week .
Can anyone tell me the day the D died in Denver ? Because at the mane people beat all around the bush and never touch the real problem... I will give you a hint we have had really bad DT's for years!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and Billy Jeankins as a S and still had good run D's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! **** get a Clue!
~Crash~
10-30-2008, 07:33 AM
Now that I said that does not mean we should not draft DT's it means we should draft DT's high when your team has all it's QB's in place . Webster is a great back up MLB(QB) at the D side of the ball but he is not cutting it full time.
cmhargrove
10-30-2008, 07:35 AM
Step 1: Get some coaches on the staff who know what they're doing on defense.
Step 2: Have the above coaches work with the Goodman's to get the help we need in the draft.
Step 3: Watch coach get the players to play together. They look raw and make some dumb mistakes, but they make enough plays when they need to be respectable.
step 4: Rinse and repeat.
Right on the money. Good defenses are built by good drafting and coaching. The high priced FA is supposed to be "the icing on the cake."
Be patient, fix it for the next decade. Get the best D-coordinator Bowlen can buy. Keep drafting and coaching until we find a winning formula. The Ravens, Titans, Giants, Packers, etc. have the right idea. Draft and coach, stop overpaying for historical stats. When we are really close, we can spend big bucks for the key free agent.
TonyR
10-30-2008, 07:52 AM
Be patient, fix it for the next decade.
Decade? No, no, no. Things are not done over decades in this league. The average player career is much shorter than a decade, and most coaches aren't allowed to "underperform" for more than a few years. You have to get it done in 2-3 years. But overall I completely agree with where you're coming from, just not the time frame.
ANIMAL24
10-30-2008, 12:21 PM
thats a joke...
Are you stupid?
elvis = is a backup player. not even close to aplayer like kgb which is a sit. pass rusher.
marcus = has shown flashes but hasnt reached his full potential, should be a back up.
dwayne = ok has not really got any preasure on the qb, but he would start on other teams cause of where he was drafted.
Engelberger = a third stringer... plan sucks and is just ok at run defense. wasnt even a starter on the sorry niners.
dj = is good, i still have hope for him, made some plays this year but needs to make more... starter...
nate = a good back up player, should not see the field unless someone got hurt.
boss = is ok but not worth the money, he is a finesse playing a strong side wut a joke... would probably get hurt if i farted in his direction...
bly = is a starter just cause the need at the postion. and he still got some legs on him, would be a num 2 on alot of teams.
champ = is the champ, teams would kill for him. all world...
M. Manuel = another third stinger, would be a special teams player if he could tackle sums it up there... wouldnt touch the field on another team.
C. Lowry = ditto as M. Manuel....
so i got a total of 4 players that would start on other teams. maybe five if marcus has a nice year... we need more talent on defense... it doesnt even have to be all world players just some nice sound players that do there assignment ant tackle... just my two cents.
Tombstone RJ
10-30-2008, 12:37 PM
Draft a stud MLB or safety in the first round (or both, if we're lucky). Keep DJ happy. Develop Thomas and the kid from VT. Give Moss one more year. Keep Crowder for depth. Keep drafting defensive lineman.
I seriously doubt that Shanny will fire Slowik, but we shall see.
Also, I'd like to see my man Larsen get a shot at MLB. I definitely think Woodyard can play either LB or maybe safety if allowed.
cmhargrove
10-30-2008, 12:40 PM
Decade? No, no, no. Things are not done over decades in this league. The average player career is much shorter than a decade, and most coaches aren't allowed to "underperform" for more than a few years. You have to get it done in 2-3 years. But overall I completely agree with where you're coming from, just not the time frame.
We're on the same page. I mean fix the defense for the next decade, not take a decade to fix the defense.
Coach and draft is a long term approach rather than a quick band aid.