View Full Version : Barack's "Defining Moment" new 2 minute ad
Vega$Bronco
10-25-2008, 09:27 AM
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This add will air in battleground swing states.
tnedator
10-25-2008, 10:06 AM
It's mostly just his standard campaign stuff, wrapped up in a neat ball, but it's a very good ad. He delivers it well, inspires confidence in the way it is presented and I am sure a lot of people watching it will shake their had and say, "what he is saying makes sense."
Needa Pass Rush
10-25-2008, 10:10 AM
OMG!!! My tingling leg!! Ha!
Bronco Bob
10-25-2008, 10:19 AM
OMG!!! My tingling leg!! Ha!
There is hope for you yet.
orinjkrush
10-25-2008, 10:58 AM
he says all the right things.
i just wish he had a demonstrated track record, other than "present"
McCain is just pandering.
Where's Ron Paul when you need him? He really is an economic soothsayer.
Rohirrim
10-25-2008, 12:36 PM
Excellent ad. I hope he realizes, given what he lays out there, his first battles will be against Pelosi, Reid, etc. His own party is going to think, "Oh boy! We got the Repugs off the gravy train. Now it's our turn to climb aboard!" If he stands up to them, he will become a great president. If he doesn't, he will be another in a long line of presidents with a small "p."
tnedator
10-25-2008, 01:03 PM
Excellent ad. I hope he realizes, given what he lays out there, his first battles will be against Pelosi, Reid, etc. His own party is going to think, "Oh boy! We got the Repugs off the gravy train. Now it's our turn to climb aboard!" If he stands up to them, he will become a great president. If he doesn't, he will be another in a long line of presidents with a small "p."
Most presidents don't do much of what they promise on the campaign trail. Whether or not he will be an exception remains to be seen, as will its effect on America if he does do what he states he will do.
Rohirrim
10-25-2008, 01:11 PM
Most presidents don't do much of what they promise on the campaign trail. Whether or not he will be an exception remains to be seen, as will its effect on America if he does do what he states he will do.
That's the gamble we take with every president. Some rise to meet the challenges of the office and some are defeated by it. Nobody knows how they're going to do until they're in the office. Given the temperaments of McCain and Obama, I'm sure as hell more comfortable with the idea of Obama being there than I am with McCain.
cutthemdown
10-25-2008, 01:30 PM
You won't get much money from the top 5%. They really know how to hide there money and make it look like the don't make that much.
Instead of cashing things in and investing super rich will stick money into the market and not sell for 4 yrs. They will buy treasury bonds which don't get taxed much.
Maybe he can use the war money but that would mean he keeps spending money we don't have.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-25-2008, 05:25 PM
You won't get much money from the top 5%. They really know how to hide there money and make it look like the don't make that much.
Instead of cashing things in and investing super rich will stick money into the market and not sell for 4 yrs. They will buy treasury bonds which don't get taxed much.
Maybe he can use the war money but that would mean he keeps spending money we don't have.
Poor super-rich. :Whaaaa!:
Having to cope with a modest tax increase is just going to be devastating to their standard of living.
cutthemdown
10-25-2008, 05:41 PM
Poor super-rich. :Whaaaa!:
Having to cope with a modest tax increase is just going to be devastating to their standard of living.
It won't bother them at all that's my point. In fact Obama may generate less tax revenue with his plan then Bush did because it's really the middle class that can't run from taxes. By cutting the middle class and trying to get it from the rich I think it will backfire, his revenues will go down, and in turn Obama won't deliver on any promises.
I hope I'm wrong and it works out but the top 5% can afford to hide money and won't have a problem holding back for 4 yrs.
My point is it's hard to get more money out of the top 5% not that I feel sorry for them. It's the middle class who i will feel sorry for when Obama drops the bomb that he has to raise there tax to make revenues.
SJ Bronco
10-25-2008, 05:44 PM
What i like is his ad is focusing on the issues instead of his opponent. We need more of that. He lays in out in no uncertain terms, "this is what I'll do for you". That makes me feel better about my vote.
SJ Bronco
10-25-2008, 05:45 PM
It won't bother them at all that's my point. In fact Obama may generate less tax revenue with his plan then Bush did because it's really the middle class that can't run from taxes. By cutting the middle class and trying to get it from the rich I think it will backfire, his revenues will go down, and in turn Obama won't deliver on any promises.
I hope I'm wrong and it works out but the top 5% can afford to hide money and won't have a problem holding back for 4 yrs.
My point is it's hard to get more money out of the top 5% not that I feel sorry for them. It's the middle class who i will feel sorry for when Obama drops the bomb that he has to raise there tax to make revenues.
Well if you listen, his point was, he could afford it if we stop spending a bloated budget in Iraq.!Booya!
Excellent ad. I hope he realizes, given what he lays out there, his first battles will be against Pelosi, Reid, etc. His own party is going to think, "Oh boy! We got the Repugs off the gravy train. Now it's our turn to climb aboard!" If he stands up to them, he will become a great president. If he doesn't, he will be another in a long line of presidents with a small "p."
There are more than a few blue dog democrats out there who want a fiscally responsible government, and the democratic pickups this year by and large are blue dog-esque fiscal conservatives as well.
Unlike the republican party the democratic party doesn't have a history of getting in line. The blue dogs will be a valid opposing group within the senate and congress to the Pelosis and Reids of the party. They'll be particularly empowered with a like minded fiscal conservative for president and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the fiscally conservative republicans still in office after Nov. 4th don't quickly align themselves with the blue dogs and Obama in order to maintain some power and worth.
It'll be interesting how it all turns out, but Obama has the best chance of anyone in a long time to fix many of the growing ills in our government.
cutthemdown
10-25-2008, 11:16 PM
Well if you listen, his point was, he could afford it if we stop spending a bloated budget in Iraq.!Booya!
Yeah but we have to stop spending that money period. We can't afford to spend on Iraq every yr from here out. To pay for healthcare it has to be sustainable revenue. We have to stop paying for the war in Iraq, and raise more tax revenue to even come close to paying for what Obama wants to do.
I just think the top 5% of the earners are smart and crafty and will figure out how to minimize the extra tax by investing profits in tax free bonds etc etc.
Remember Bush never planned on paying for Iraq this long, he way underestimated what it would take. Healthcare will be something that has to be set up to last forever like social security is supposed to.
cutthemdown
10-25-2008, 11:17 PM
Obama has made a lot of promises. How upset will his most ardent supporters be if he doesn't get healthcare reform done? Or if he raises your taxes even when he said he wouldn't
tnedator
10-26-2008, 12:19 AM
Obama has made a lot of promises. How upset will his most ardent supporters be if he doesn't get healthcare reform done? Or if he raises your taxes even when he said he wouldn't
They won't be upset at all, they will buy into the rationale that Obama sells for going back on those promises. This isn't a slam on Obama, but a politically reality. Most candidates, whether presidential or otherwise, do not live up to their promises.
Clinton promised to fix health care, and he didn't.
Clinton promised to cut taxes for everyone making under $200k (might have promised not to raise them, my memory is fuzzy), and in '93 when he raised taxes, the marginal rates went up on everyone over $100k rather than the $200k he promised, and he also added things like gasoline and other energy taxes, that treasury department estimated would cost most families making under $100k more than the tax cut Clinton gave them with lower tax rates (the average cost of the energy tax was only $200 a year, vs. $150 a year or so in decreased income tax, so it was close to a wash).
So, in two very key areas, not raising taxes on anyone making under $200k and on fixing health care, Clinton did not fulfill his campaign promises, yet he was re-elected.
So, there certainly is a precedent that says that Obama could both not fix health care and raise taxes, and his supporters would still support him.
Shucks, he could probably tap an intern or two on the side, and still not lose his supporters.
Bottom line is atleast he offers some hope.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-26-2008, 01:36 AM
Obama has made a lot of promises. How upset will his most ardent supporters be if he doesn't get healthcare reform done? Or if he raises your taxes even when he said he wouldn't
I wouldn't be happy about it, but by the same token it would be understood that it was because of the gigantic economic hole Bush and the republi-cons left for him (and us) to dig ourselves out of.
Remember: the next president will be inheriting the worst economy in 80 years.
SJ Bronco
10-27-2008, 08:57 AM
Obama has made a lot of promises. How upset will his most ardent supporters be if he doesn't get healthcare reform done? Or if he raises your taxes even when he said he wouldn't
I actually WANT raised taxes. I'll do anything for the betterment of my country.
I'm curious though. McCain said at his last rally that instead of a mortgage bail out of middle class home owners, he'd rather give them a tax rebate. Whats the difference ,except the bail out would go for it's intended purpose and not to buying more crap that people don't need like the last tax rebate.