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Cito Pelon
07-31-2010, 10:05 AM
That is correct.

Sounds like he will miss training camp, at the very least.

Kindle the #43 pick, was #43 Denver's original 2nd rounder?

SouthStndJunkie
07-31-2010, 12:42 PM
Joe Haden agrees to terms with Browns

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/31/joe-haden-agrees-to-terms-with-browns/

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 31, 2010 2:18 PM ET

Joe Haden's "holdout" lasted half a day.

After missing Saturday morning's practice, the Browns cornerback agreed to terms on a five-year deal. The No. 7 overall pick will get a five year contract worth a maximum of $50 million, with $26 million guaranteed according to his agent. Both Jason La Canfora of NFL Network and May Cay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain-Dealer have the same numbers.

Haden immediately becomes one of the highest paid cornerbacks in football despite legitimate questions about his speed and ability to translate into a true No. 1 cornerback. Eric Mangini downplayed concerns about Haden's quickness.

"A lot of rookies don't play as fast as they can at this point,'' said Mangini. "They're thinking.''

For now, Haden will probably work behind a solid duo in Eric Wright and Sheldon Brown.

oubronco
07-31-2010, 01:05 PM
Joe Haden agrees to terms with Browns

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/31/joe-haden-agrees-to-terms-with-browns/

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 31, 2010 2:18 PM ET

Joe Haden's "holdout" lasted half a day.

After missing Saturday morning's practice, the Browns cornerback agreed to terms on a five-year deal. The No. 7 overall pick will get a five year contract worth a maximum of $50 million, with $26 million guaranteed according to his agent. Both Jason La Canfora of NFL Network and May Cay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain-Dealer have the same numbers.

Haden immediately becomes one of the highest paid cornerbacks in football despite legitimate questions about his speed and ability to translate into a true No. 1 cornerback. Eric Mangini downplayed concerns about Haden's quickness.

"A lot of rookies don't play as fast as they can at this point,'' said Mangini. "They're thinking.''

For now, Haden will probably work behind a solid duo in Eric Wright and Sheldon Brown.

Well i'm surprised I thought he would be very difficult to get signed

SouthStndJunkie
07-31-2010, 04:29 PM
20/32 first round picks signed right now.

SouthStndJunkie
07-31-2010, 04:30 PM
Jevan Snead doesn't make it to Bucs camp

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/31/jevan-snead-doesnt-make-it-to-bucs-camp/

Posted by Evan Silva on July 31, 2010 6:43 PM ET

Former Ole Miss quarterback Jevan Snead left college early to enter the NFL Draft after a junior season in which he completed just 54.4 percent of his passes and threw as many picks as touchdowns (20). In January's Cotton Bowl against an Oklahoma State defense that was without top cornerback Perrish Cox due to suspension, Snead completed 13-of-23 passes for just 168 yards, no touchdowns, and three interceptions.

Really, it shouldn't have been a surprise that he went undrafted. And, unless you're ESPN's Todd McShay, Saturday's news about Snead shouldn't shock you, either.

The Bucs waived Snead to create space for No. 3 overall pick Gerald McCoy on their 80-man training camp roster.

Snead was essentially beat out for Bucs' No. 3 quarterback job by Rudy Carpenter during spring practices. With the help of a veteran NFL scout, Mike Florio perfectly detailed Snead's ill-advised decision in a March 31 post. The bottom line? Snead just isn't any good.

SouthStndJunkie
07-31-2010, 04:31 PM
Wow....it was apparent to me at the start of the last college football season that my assessment of Jevan Snead was wrong....but I never figured it would be this wrong.

SouthStndJunkie
07-31-2010, 07:36 PM
Derrick Morgan signs on with Titans

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/31/derrick-morgan-signs-on-with-titans/

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 31, 2010 9:15 PM ET

The majority of first-round picks continue to sign on the dotted line with little drama.

No. 16 overall pick Derrick Morgan agreed to terms with the Titans on a five-year contract on Saturday evening, according to Adam Schefter of ESPN. Morgan's deal comes quickly on the heels of No. 15 pick Jason Pierre-Paul, also a defensive end, signing with the Giants.

Only ten first-round picks remain unsigned, and we wouldn't be surprised if that number gets reduced before the end of the night.

SouthStndJunkie
07-31-2010, 07:37 PM
ALBANY, N.Y. -- On the eve of training camp, New York Giants general manager Jerry Reese signed his top two draft picks on Saturday, coming to terms with Jason Pierre-Paul and Linval Joseph.

Pierre-Paul, the 6-foot-5 defensive end out of South Florida, should be doing some of his signature backflips: His five-year deal is worth $20,050,000 with $11,629,807 guaranteed, ESPN's Adam Schefter reported. Pierre-Paul was the last of the Giants' draft picks to sign, allowing the team to open camp on Sunday with no holdouts.

SouthStndJunkie
07-31-2010, 07:38 PM
Signing Status of First Round Picks:

1 Rams Sam Bradford QB - signed
2 Lions Ndamukong Suh DT
3 Buccaneers Gerald McCoy DT - signed
4 Redskins Trent Williams OT - signed
5 Chiefs Eric Berry SS - signed
6 Seahawks Russell Okung OT
7 Browns Joe Haden CB - signed
8 Raiders Rolando McClain LB - signed
9 Bills C.J. Spiller RB
10 Jaguars Tyson Alualu DE
11 49ers Anthony Davis OT - signed
12 Chargers Ryan Mathews RB
13 Eagles Brandon Graham DE - signed
14 Seahawks Earl Thomas SS - signed
15 Giants Jason Pierre-Paul DE - signed
16 Titans Derrick Morgan DE - signed
17 49ers Mike Iupati OG - signed
18 Steelers Maurkice Pouncey C - signed
19 Falcons Sean Weatherspoon LB - signed
20 Texans Kareem Jackson CB - signed
21 Bengals Jermaine Gresham TE
22 Broncos Demaryius Thomas WR - signed
23 Packers Bryan Bulaga OT - signed
24 Cowboys Dez Bryant WR - signed
25 Broncos Tim Tebow QB - signed
26 Cardinals Dan Williams DT
27 Patriots Devin McCourty CB - signed
28 Dolphins Jared Odrick DT - signed
29 Jets Kyle Wilson CB - signed
30 Lions Jahvid Best RB - signed
31 Colts Jerry Hughes DE
32 Saints Patrick Robinson CB - signed

Chris
07-31-2010, 11:37 PM
The St. Louis Rams reached an agreement with No. 1 overall pick Sam Bradford on a six-year, $76 million deal, sources told ESPN on Friday night.

According to the sources, Bradford's deal has $50 million of guarantees and has a max value of $86 million.

You are a dummy for thinking he meant that.

SouthStndJunkie
08-01-2010, 01:06 AM
You are a dummy for thinking he meant that.

You talking about the Sam Bradford blurb?

SouthStndJunkie
08-01-2010, 01:08 AM
NEW YORK — The Jets signed cornerback Kyle Wilson, the team's first-round draft pick, to a five-year, $13 million contract, a person with knowledge of the deal told The Associated Press on Saturday night.

SouthStndJunkie
08-01-2010, 01:08 AM
Seahawks reach deal with Earl Thomas

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/01/seahawks-reach-deal-with-earl-thomas/

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 1, 2010 2:04 AM ET

Proving once again that rookie signings can be finalized at any time, the Seahawks agreed to terms with safety Earl Thomas late Saturday night.

Adam Schefter of ESPN reports the contract includes $21.1 million over five seasons, with $12.32 million guaranteed. Thomas was taken fourteenth overall out of Texas for his instinctive centerfield skills at free safety. He should start right away and his deal allows Seattle to focus on signing No. 6 overall pick Russell Okung.

Thomas tweeted that he was eating at Olive Garden as he waited for the contract to finalized. Tomorrow night, he can totally afford Outback Steakhouse.

JCMElway
08-01-2010, 07:06 AM
Ha ha, just read this on Schefter's tweet page.

"Haynesworth wins new deal as spokesman for Pantene Pro-V, the "conditioner so light it's like no conditioning at all.""

SouthStndJunkie
08-01-2010, 11:39 AM
Chargers get Ryan Mathews in the fold

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/01/chargers-get-ryan-mathews-in-the-fold/

Posted by Mike Florio on August 1, 2010 2:22 PM ET'

ESPN's Adam Schefter reported earlier in the day that the Chargers likely would have running back Ryan Mathews under contract by the end of the day.

ESPN's John Clayton and Bill Williamson (who apparently independently got the news at the same time) report that the Chargers have struck a deal with the former Fresno State tailback.

The numbers for Mathews, the twelfth overall pick, will fall between the money paid to 49ers left tackle Anthony Davis at No. 11 and Eagles defensive end Brandon Graham at No. 13.

Either way, it'll be plenty more than the team has offered to receiver Vincent Jackson and left tackle Marcus McNeill.

SouthStndJunkie
08-01-2010, 11:40 AM
Unsigned draft picks:

2 Lions Ndamukong Suh DT
6 Seahawks Russell Okung OT
9 Bills C.J. Spiller RB
10 Jaguars Tyson Alualu DE
21 Bengals Jermaine Gresham TE
31 Colts Jerry Hughes DE
43 Ravens Sergio Kindle LB

oubronco
08-01-2010, 01:55 PM
Ha ha, just read this on Schefter's tweet page.

"Haynesworth wins new deal as spokesman for Pantene Pro-V, the "conditioner so light it's like no conditioning at all.""

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

oubronco
08-01-2010, 07:03 PM
ESPN's Chris Mortensen confirms that Ndamakong Suh is seeking a more lucrative contract than No. 1 pick Sam Bradford received.

Suh's agent, Eugene Parker, is reportedly pushing for $90 million over six years with a whopping $56 million guaranteed. Bradford got $78 million with $50 million guaranteed. It can be argued that Suh was the best player in the draft, but he doesn't get a QB premium and he wasn't the No. 1 pick. If Suh's representatives don't agree to slotting their client, we could be looking out a significant holdout. The Lions would be insane to give Suh more than Bradford.
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elsid13
08-01-2010, 07:09 PM
Wow....it was apparent to me at the start of the last college football season that my assessment of Jevan Snead was wrong....but I never figured it would be this wrong.

To much partying and not enough time watching game film and working out.

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 07:13 PM
ESPN's Chris Mortensen confirms that Ndamakong Suh is seeking a more lucrative contract than No. 1 pick Sam Bradford received.

Suh's agent, Eugene Parker, is reportedly pushing for $90 million over six years with a whopping $56 million guaranteed. Bradford got $78 million with $50 million guaranteed. It can be argued that Suh was the best player in the draft, but he doesn't get a QB premium and he wasn't the No. 1 pick. If Suh's representatives don't agree to slotting their client, we could be looking out a significant holdout. The Lions would be insane to give Suh more than Bradford.
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Now that is a dick move. Suh should put an end to that request. 6 years, $72m with 45 guaranteed is more than any football player deserves.

SouthStndJunkie
08-01-2010, 10:34 PM
To much partying and not enough time watching game film and working out.

You are probably right....all that partying and fun clouded my ability to properly evaluate Jevan Snead's NFL future.

SouthStndJunkie
08-02-2010, 07:46 AM
Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that Arizona has officially reached an agreement with defensive tackle Dan Williams on a five-year deal.

bronco militia
08-02-2010, 07:48 AM
You are probably right....all that partying and fun clouded my ability to properly evaluate Jevan Snead's NFL future.


nice going, donk ;D

outdoor_miner
08-02-2010, 07:59 AM
You are probably right....all that partying and fun clouded my ability to properly evaluate Jevan Snead's NFL future.

You are not alone... :)

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/11684517

Then again - not sure you want to be in the same company as Pete Prisco...

Now here are the rest of the top players for next year's draft.

• 1. Jevan Snead, QB, Mississippi (JR): He's a strong-armed junior who has the same type of arm that Stafford has. He will be "The Man" next year. You wait and see.

SouthStndJunkie
08-02-2010, 09:30 AM
Alualu deal is finally done

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/02/alualu-deal-is-finally-done/

Posted by Mike Florio on August 2, 2010 12:16 PM ET

Last night, a strange situation developed. The Jaguars insisted that defensive tackle Tyson Alualu, the 10th overall pick in the draft, had agreed to terms. Alualu's agent, Kenny Zuckerman, insisted that no agreement had been reached.

Though Zuckerman provided no on-the-record update in the wake of Alualu's desire to sleep on the Jags' latest offer, Jags owner Wayne Weaver chimed in on Monday, claiming that Alualu has indeed agreed to terms and that he'll be flying from Hawaii to Jacksonville, arriving in town on Tuesday.

FOX's Jay Glazer now reports via Twitter that Alualu has indeed accepted the offer after discussing the situation with his family and sleeping on it.

We've confirmed that, indeed, the deal is done. (That said, we nearly risked being choked out by Glazer; a source with knowledge of the negotiations was insisting that Glazer's report was wrong, before getting the updated information that the deal was finished "a few minutes ago.")

SouthStndJunkie
08-02-2010, 09:30 AM
Unsigned draft picks:

2 Lions Ndamukong Suh DT
6 Seahawks Russell Okung OT
9 Bills C.J. Spiller RB
43 Ravens Sergio Kindle LB

oubronco
08-02-2010, 11:09 AM
<TABLE border=0 width=630><TBODY><TR><TD width="80%">Redskins | John Beck trade update
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Updating a previous report, the Washington Redskins (http://www.orangemane.com/team/37/nfl) have traded CB Doug Dutch (http://www.orangemane.com/player/22159/nfl) to the Baltimore Ravens (http://www.orangemane.com/team/8/nfl) for QB John Beck (http://www.orangemane.com/player/16325/nfl), reports Aaron Wilson, of NationalFootballPost.com (http://www.orangemane.com/link/281).
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<TABLE border=0 width=630><TBODY><TR><TD width="80%">Ravens | John Beck trade update
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Updating a previous report, the Baltimore Ravens (http://www.orangemane.com/team/8/nfl) have acquired CB Doug Dutch (http://www.orangemane.com/player/22159/nfl) from the Washington Redskins (http://www.orangemane.com/team/37/nfl) for QB John Beck (http://www.orangemane.com/player/16325/nfl), reports Aaron Wilson, of NationalFootballPost.com (http://www.orangemane.com/link/281).
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<TABLE border=0 width=630><TBODY><TR><TD width="80%">Ravens | John Beck traded to Washington
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The Baltimore Ravens (http://www.orangemane.com/team/8/nfl) have traded backup QB John Beck (http://www.orangemane.com/player/16325/nfl) to the Washington Redskins (http://www.orangemane.com/team/37/nfl), reports Aaron Wilson, of the NationalFootballPost.com (http://www.orangemane.com/link/281). What the Redskins (http://www.orangemane.com/team/37/nfl) gave up for him is not yet clear.
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<TABLE border=0 width=630><TBODY><TR><TD width="80%">Redskins | John Beck acquired from Baltimore
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The Washington Redskins (http://www.orangemane.com/team/37/nfl) have acquired backup QB John Beck (http://www.orangemane.com/player/16325/nfl) from the Baltimore Ravens (http://www.orangemane.com/team/8/nfl), reports Aaron Wilson, of the NationalFootballPost.com (http://www.orangemane.com/link/281). It is not clear what they gave up for him.

SouthStndJunkie
08-02-2010, 11:38 AM
The Indianapolis Colts and first-round pick Jerry Hughes agreed to a five-year deal on Monday, his agent told The Associated Press.

SouthStndJunkie
08-02-2010, 02:37 PM
Bengals bag first-round pick

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/02/bengals-bag-first-round-pick/

Posted by Mike Florio on August 2, 2010 5:16 PM ET

For the Bengals, a holdout from the team's first-round pick has become the rule, not the exception. Few teams like to pay big money based only on potential, and the bargain-hunting Bengals are usually one of the most reluctant franchises when it comes to making an unproven player a multi-millionaire.

This year, the team's first-round pick held out once again. But the holdout has ended. Tight end Jermaine Gresham has agreed to terms.

Receiver Chad Ochocinco broke the news via Twitter, besting the likes of ESPN's Adam Schefter by a minute.

Greshman missed all of 2009 with a torn ACL, an injury that may have caused Gresham to slide a bit, making him available when the Bengals used the 21st overall pick.

As pointed out in our AFC North training camp one-liners, Gresham had been placed at the top of the depth chart, even without signing his contract. We'll see whether he can stay there once he starts practicing.

oubronco
08-02-2010, 02:38 PM
Gresham is a beast he's going to be very good

Br0nc0Buster
08-02-2010, 02:39 PM
so whats the deal with Kindle?
are they not gonna sign him now since he cracked his skull?

oubronco
08-02-2010, 02:40 PM
so whats the deal with Kindle?
are they not gonna sign him now since he cracked his skull?

He probably won't get what he wants

oubronco
08-02-2010, 04:55 PM
Mike Golic just passed the same conditioning test that Hainesworth can't pass and he hasn't trained in years...............Too funny

it was on NFL live

Requiem
08-02-2010, 07:33 PM
Yeah, but Golic is on that Dan Marino diet **** you see on TV eating lasagna and **** so he's a lot skinnier. HOLLA.

SouthStndJunkie
08-03-2010, 04:03 PM
The Detroit Lions and defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh reached an agreement Tuesday on a five-year contract, according to team sources.

The two sides have agreed on the terms of the deal, but still are signing off on the language of it. The deal will not be signed until the language is completed.

The numbers were projected to come in north of $12 million a year, which means the deal will be worth over $60 million dollars. Suh is guaranteed $40 million.

SouthStndJunkie
08-03-2010, 04:04 PM
Unsigned draft picks:

6 Seahawks Russell Okung OT
9 Bills C.J. Spiller RB
43 Ravens Sergio Kindle LB

Al Wilson 4 Mayor
08-03-2010, 04:16 PM
Unsigned draft picks:

6 Seahawks Russell Okung OT
9 Bills C.J. Spiller RB
43 Ravens Sergio Kindle LB

At the risk of having the appearance of someone having been hidden under a rock, does that mean Suh signed?

crush17
08-03-2010, 04:19 PM
Look 2 posts above yours.

Cito Pelon
08-04-2010, 08:41 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15671677

Getting down to brass tacks of Tebow deal
Posted: 08/04/2010 01:00:00 AM MDT

Tim Tebow, right, and quarterbacks coach Ben McDaniels go over a few things Tuesday. (John Leyba, The Denver Post )The contract details on Broncos rookie quarterback Tim Tebow show that his five-year deal is worth $9,713,500, not the $11.25 million the industry reports, according to a union source.

The difference is a one-time playing time bonus of $1,537,500 that the players association counts because it's "easy to earn." Almost all first-rounders hit the one-time playing bonus, but Jarvis Moss and Brady Quinn from the 2007 draft are among those who have yet to hit their one-timers. Tebow will be well on his way to his first NFL million on Friday, when the Broncos pay him a $975,000 advance, which essentially will be counted as a signing bonus for prorated salary cap reasons. Some details on the Tebow deal:

Base salary
2010: $1,295,000 (fully guaranteed)

2011: $1,618,750 (fully guaranteed)

2012: $1,942,500 (fully guaranteed)

2013: $2,266,750 (fully guaranteed)

2014: $2,590,500 ($567,500 guaranteed)

First payday Friday
Advance-signing bonus:

$975,000 on Friday (salary reduced to $325,000)

$6.275 million due 29 days after start of 2011 league year. Typically season starts March 1, but it's written this way in case work stoppage delays start of season. (Salaries from 2011-14 reduced to offset advance.)

Put me in, coach
One-time playing time bonus: (contractually considered likely to be earned)

Tebow collects $1,537,500 if he plays 35 percent of the offensive snaps in 2010, or 45 percent of the snaps in any of the seasons 2011-14.

The bonus rolls over from year to year until Tebow reaches the playing-time threshold, and expires the first time he hits it.

High thresholds
Mid-tier incentives: (contractually considered unlikely to earn)

Value of Tebow's contract doubles from $11.25 million (including one-time playing time bonus) to $22.5 million if he reaches multiple thresholds, including:

55 percent playing

Post Poll - Broncos QBs

Which quarterback do you wish to see take the majority of snaps as the starter this year for the Denver Broncos?

Kyle Orton: The incumbent will flourish in his second season under coach Josh McDaniels.
Brady Quinn: Given a second chance in a new system, his vast potential will be realized.
Tim Tebow: Why wait? He has proven himself a winner at the highest levels of college ball.


time in two of his first three seasons, 2010-12, or 70 percent playing time in 2013.

The Broncos make the playoffs, he reaches certain QB ranking thresholds, and receives unspecified honors.

Playoffs, honors equal bigger check
Max value: (contractually considered unlikely to earn)

The total value of Tebow's contract can escalate to $33 million if the Broncos reach the playoffs multiple times in his first four years, he has multiple top-five QB rankings, and he has multiple league honors such as NFL MVP and Super Bowl MVP.

Mike Klis, The Denver Post

bowtown
08-04-2010, 08:54 AM
Cito, with Tebow news, please don't use existing threads. You risk pissing off the big man.

Cito Pelon
08-04-2010, 09:02 AM
Cito, with Tebow news, please don't use existing threads. You risk pissing off the big man.

Floyd Little approves of Cito's posts.

Chris
08-04-2010, 09:15 AM
Cito, with Tebow news, please don't use existing threads. You risk pissing off the big man.

How do we post new threads again? It never works the normal way.

BMarsh615
08-04-2010, 10:10 AM
The Lions have parted ways with veteran safety Marquand Manuel, per a league source.

Manuel, 31, will be cleared out presumably to make way for C.C. Brown at strong safety.

The move comes as a mild surprise, given that Manuel re-signed with the Lions in the offseason, getting a $50,000 signing bonus on a one-year deal for the veteran minimum.

Manuel previously has played for the Bengals, Seahawks, Panthers, Packers, and Broncos.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/04/lions-dump-marquand-manuel/

BMarsh615
08-04-2010, 10:11 AM
How do we post new threads again? It never works the normal way.

You have to use a very short thread title to get it posted. I just type 4 random letters and then edit the thread title after the thread is posted.

Chris
08-04-2010, 10:14 AM
You have to use a very short thread title to get it posted. I just type 4 random letters and then edit the thread title after the thread is posted.

I never seem to be able to edit the thread title. What gives?

Also, any word on a fix coming soon?

Inkana7
08-04-2010, 11:00 AM
The Lions have parted ways with veteran safety Marquand Manuel, per a league source.

Manuel, 31, will be cleared out presumably to make way for C.C. Brown at strong safety.

The move comes as a mild surprise, given that Manuel re-signed with the Lions in the offseason, getting a $50,000 signing bonus on a one-year deal for the veteran minimum.

Manuel previously has played for the Bengals, Seahawks, Panthers, Packers, and Broncos.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/04/lions-dump-marquand-manuel/

Of everyone on that awful 2008 Broncos team, this guy was by far the worst.

baja
08-04-2010, 11:30 AM
I never seem to be able to edit the thread title. What gives?

Also, any word on a fix coming soon?

You have to hit advaned first

BMarsh615
08-04-2010, 11:35 AM
I never seem to be able to edit the thread title. What gives?

Also, any word on a fix coming soon?

When your thread is posted double click to the right of it and it will let you edit it on the Central discussion page.

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/5894/aviaryorangemanecompict.png (http://img687.imageshack.us/i/aviaryorangemanecompict.png/)

BMarsh615
08-04-2010, 12:13 PM
https://twitter.com/RavensInsider/status/20326484362

Rookie Chargers linebacker Donald Butler out for the season with Achilles' tendon injury, the team announced.

oubronco
08-04-2010, 12:32 PM
Sergio Kindle remains hospitalized (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/04/sergio-kindle-remains-hospitalized/)

Posted by Mike Florio on August 4, 2010 1:42 PM ET
We're starting to think that Ravens linebacker Sergio Kindle (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=5777) suffered a far more serious injury than originally reported. Yes, a fractured skull is never minor. But Kindle remains hospitalized nearly two weeks after the accident.

Pregnant women get sent home roughly a day after they pop. Bypass patients are wheeled out not long after they get zippered shut. So we'll infer that Kindle, a second-round draft pick from Texas, sustained a very significant trauma, and we wish him well as he continues to recover.

Jamison Hensley of the Baltimore Sun reports that Kindle will be moved to a rehab facility next week. "He's in great spirits (http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2010/08/kindle_to_be_transferred_to_rehab_facility_next_we ek.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sports_football_ravens+%)," coach John Harbaugh said.

Kindle surely would be in even better spirits if he'd improve to the point where he could go home, and if the Ravens would sign him to his first NFL contract. The fact that the Ravens haven't completed the deal makes us wonder whether the injury was sufficiently serious to call into question Kindle's ability to play professional football in 2010, or ever.

We hope that's not the case. Based on the fact that Kindle is still hospitalized, we have a feeling that we're not getting the whole story as to the extent of the injury.

Br0nc0Buster
08-05-2010, 01:53 PM
apparently Ron Brace cant pass his conditioning test in New England

Just thought I would throw that out there since I know a lot on here wanted him and might be interested in how he is doing

SouthStndJunkie
08-06-2010, 07:33 AM
The Buffalo Bills reached a five-year, $25 million contract with first-round pick C.J. Spiller that could escalate to $37.5 million, according to a source.

SouthStndJunkie
08-06-2010, 07:34 AM
Unsigned draft picks:

43 Ravens Sergio Kindle LB

SouthStndJunkie
08-06-2010, 10:44 AM
The Seattle Seahawks and their top pick, left tackle Russell Okung, have agreed to a six-year, $48.5 million deal, sources told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen.

SouthStndJunkie
08-09-2010, 08:24 AM
"Overtrained athlete syndrome" will be blamed for Cushing's suspension

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/09/overtrained-athlete-syndrome-will-be-blamed-for-cushings-suspension/

Posted by Mike Florio on August 9, 2010 9:50 AM ET

I'm tempted to say that I've now heard everything. But the crazy nature of this business guarantees that I'll soon hear something even crazier.

Peter King of SI.com reports that, when Texans owner Bob McNair meets with Commissioner Roger Goodell on Monday, McNair will explain that Cushing's positive test for elevated hCG levels was the product of "overtrained athlete syndrome," a condition from which Andre Smith will never suffer.

Cushing explained his better-never-than-late excuse to King on Friday. "Everything points to that overtrained athlete syndrome,'' Cushing said, using the word "that" as if King or anyone else already knew what it is. "I'm pretty sure it is. I'm pretty positive. I didn't take anything. It's not a tainted supplement. So all roads lead to that.''

Supposedly, an athlete who trains for a long period of time and then stops acquires a testosterone imbalance, which potentially spikes his hCG level. That said, it's never happened to any other player who has tested positive for hCG. More importantly, it feels like a round peg/square hole attempt to fashion an excuse for an elevated hCG level that was temporary.

That was the biggest flaw in Cushing's ill-advised media blitz from May. If, as he claims he feared, he had a tumor, the hCG level would have continued to be elevated. And if there was some natural condition causing generally increased hCG levels, common sense tells us it wouldn't have popped up quickly and then dissipated after the positive test.

Though the Commissioner may not buy any of it, Cushing's boss does.

"He shows no sign of ever having been on steroids,'' McNair said. "His weight hasn't changed appreciably since he's been with us. I've looked into it pretty thoroughly, and I haven't found anything that would lead me to believe that he has ever taken a performance-enhancing drug."

Apart from the traditional circumstantial evidence of steroid use (some would say there is such evidence based on pictures of Cushing while in college), it's possible that Cushing was taking steroids not to get bigger but to recover from the knee injury that threatened to derail the start of his rookie season. Last August, Cushing suffered the knee sprain. So if he decided to do a short cycle of steroids aimed at helping to heal the ligament, and if he then chased it with hCG to help kick-start his natural testosterone production, elevated hCG levels would thereafter be in his system.

Here's the bottom line. Cheaters don't admit to cheating when they get caught cheating. So Cushing's effort to continue to attribute his behavior to something other than cheating is exactly what he would do if he were cheating. The fact that he and the Texans are offering a buffet line of excuses makes us even more skeptical of the situation, and we suspect that the league office will be just as skeptical, if not more.

SouthStndJunkie
08-09-2010, 08:25 AM
Cushing needs to STFU and move on....he makes himself look foolish by dragging this out.

_Oro_
08-09-2010, 08:35 AM
Agreed. He forgot to take his masking agent one day so his levels spiked. How about
testing for masking agents?

boltaneer
08-10-2010, 08:26 AM
Agreed. He forgot to take his masking agent one day so his levels spiked. How about
testing for masking agents?

They do test for masking agents. Cushing tested positive for a known masking agent, not steriods.

He does need to STFU though.

Br0nc0Buster
08-10-2010, 08:31 AM
so apparently he is the hardest training player in NFL history

or he is lying

hmm tough call

_Oro_
08-10-2010, 08:32 AM
They do test for masking agents. Cushing tested positive for a known masking agent, not steriods.

He does need to STFU though.

Thanks for the correction.

Br0nc0Buster
08-12-2010, 03:43 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5459355

Brandon Marshall says he is planning on playing in the NBA next year if there is no football, and no he is not joking, he is serious

crush17
08-12-2010, 03:52 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5459355

Brandon Marshall says he is planning on playing in the NBA next year if there is no football, and no he is not joking, he is serious

Uhhhh, does he not know that the NBA is heading for a lockout as well?

diehardbroncosfan
08-12-2010, 04:24 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5459355

Brandon Marshall says he is planning on playing in the NBA next year if there is no football, and no he is not joking, he is serious

Even funnier is that he wants to join the Denver Nuggets so he can hear "the welcome home cheer". Yeah, good luck with that Marshall.

SouthStndJunkie
08-12-2010, 04:43 PM
Meh....he is a WR....they like to run their yaps and make the news.

He knows he won't be playing any basketball.

tsiguy96
08-12-2010, 04:45 PM
Adam_Schefter

To quote one of Brandon Marshall's good friends on his goal of playing in the NBA: "Trust me, he is serious."

SouthStndJunkie
08-12-2010, 04:50 PM
Adam_Schefter

To quote one of Brandon Marshall's good friends on his goal of playing in the NBA: "Trust me, he is serious."

To quote me: "He will never play a minute of NBA basketball."

dbfan21
08-13-2010, 07:07 AM
To quote me: "He will never play a minute of NBA basketball."

Hilarious!

SouthStndJunkie
08-13-2010, 11:02 PM
FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- New England Patriots defensive end Ty Warren's hip injury was serious enough to cost him the 2010 season, as the team placed him on season-ending injured reserve Friday afternoon.

The injury is similar to what New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez had -- a labral tear. The injury is not considered career-threatening, but will require surgery, which Warren said is scheduled for Monday in Vail, Colo.

Tombstone RJ
08-13-2010, 11:11 PM
FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- New England Patriots defensive end Ty Warren's hip injury was serious enough to cost him the 2010 season, as the team placed him on season-ending injured reserve Friday afternoon.

The injury is similar to what New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez had -- a labral tear. The injury is not considered career-threatening, but will require surgery, which Warren said is scheduled for Monday in Vail, Colo.

Vail, ehehh? I guess there are worse places to be laid up for a while...

uplink
08-14-2010, 03:40 AM
FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- New England Patriots defensive end Ty Warren's hip injury was serious enough to cost him the 2010 season, as the team placed him on season-ending injured reserve Friday afternoon.

The injury is similar to what New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez had -- a labral tear. The injury is not considered career-threatening, but will require surgery, which Warren said is scheduled for Monday in Vail, Colo.

I guess they will want either Jarvis Green or Le Kevin Smith back now.

_Oro_
08-14-2010, 08:23 AM
Vail, ehehh? I guess there are worse places to be laid up for a while...

Yep, just ask Kobe how great surgery in Vail is.

Kaylore
08-14-2010, 09:26 AM
apparently Ron Brace cant pass his conditioning test in New England

Just thought I would throw that out there since I know a lot on here wanted him and might be interested in how he is doing

I guess now we'll get to see who starts for the Pats this year. If they start Brace and he succeeds or is at least decent at the nose, it will make the Alphonso pick even worse. If he flounders, or the Pats go get someone else, it takes some of the steam off that pick.

Br0nc0Buster
08-14-2010, 10:14 AM
I guess now we'll get to see who starts for the Pats this year. If they start Brace and he succeeds or is at least decent at the nose, it will make the Alphonso pick even worse. If he flounders, or the Pats go get someone else, it takes some of the steam off that pick.

from what I have heard he has a long way to go before he gets on the field
I guess a lot of people are really dissapointed in him right now

Broncoman13
08-14-2010, 01:38 PM
I guess now we'll get to see who starts for the Pats this year. If they start Brace and he succeeds or is at least decent at the nose, it will make the Alphonso pick even worse. If he flounders, or the Pats go get someone else, it takes some of the steam off that pick.

Forget Brace, How about Mauluga!!! Better yet, how about Darius Butler!!! In fact better than any of those three, how about Jairus Byrd!!!!!!!!! I would gladly take any of those three over Alphonso Smith. I like Smith's attitude for the most part, but I can tell you based on my first hand observations that his effort this year was less than admirable. If I were in that guy's shoes and people were openly questioning whether I would even make the team, you wouldn't see me get out worked by anyone... well maybe Tebow and Garland, but after that it would be me!

Requiem
08-14-2010, 02:54 PM
Brace isn't conditioned.

Rey got injured.

Darius Butler was injured in college with knee issues and that continued in the NFL.

Jairus Byrd was a pleasant surprise.

The pick of Alphonso Smith will be judged on how he performs in his career as a Bronco. Not a comparative one regarding players we could have took instead.

oubronco
08-14-2010, 02:56 PM
Brace isn't conditioned.

Rey got injured.

Darius Butler was injured in college with knee issues and that continued in the NFL.

Jairus Byrd was a pleasant surprise.

The pick of Alphonso Smith will be judged on how he performs in his career as a Bronco. Not a comparative one regarding players we could have took instead.

But we could've had Ed Reed!!!

Kaylore
08-14-2010, 03:09 PM
Forget Brace, How about Mauluga!!! Better yet, how about Darius Butler!!! In fact better than any of those three, how about Jairus Byrd!!!!!!!!!

I'm really not a fan of Mauluga's. I think he fell because his football IQ is very low. In fact I believe him to be borderline retarded. I think he's the next LaVar Arrington. Byrd? I suppose, but I actually think Bruton and McBath might both emerge. Not saying they'll be better than Byrd, but they played well and I don't feel we "missed out" by taking them. Three safeties would have been a stupid draft. Darius Butler does look like the better corner at this stage, but one season in isn't enough for me to decide one way or the other. It will take several years to know for sure. And really, if Smith emerges then it's all moot.

Zoobie
08-14-2010, 03:13 PM
Brace isn't conditioned.

Rey got injured.

Darius Butler was injured in college with knee issues and that continued in the NFL.

Jairus Byrd was a pleasant surprise.

The pick of Alphonso Smith will be judged on how he performs in his career as a Bronco. Not a comparative one regarding players we could have took instead.

Thank you. If you're going to compare Phons to Brace, then you have to compare him to EVERY player drafted after he was taken in the second round. LeSean McCoy, Max Unger, Phil Loadholt, Sebastian Vollmer, Sean Smith, the list goes on. But honestly, why compare?

Broncoman13
08-14-2010, 03:19 PM
I'm really not a fan of Mauluga's. I think he fell because his football IQ is very low. In fact I believe him to be borderline retarded. I think he's the next LaVar Arrington. Byrd? I suppose, but I actually think Bruton and McBath might both emerge. Not saying they'll be better than Byrd, but they played well and I don't feel we "missed out" by taking them. Three safeties would have been a stupid draft. Darius Butler does look like the better corner at this stage, but one season in isn't enough for me to decide one way or the other. It will take several years to know for sure. And really, if Smith emerges then it's all moot.

Very true, but to me taking a CB that lacks size and speed when guys with good size AND speed are available is poor drafting. I think they were expecting Alphonso Smith to come in and be able to make all of these ballhawking type plays and now we are seeing that he has too many limiting factors (size and speed) to make the leap in the NFL.

As for Maualuga, I wouldn't argue that he's dumb as a box of rocks. But football IQ is not the issue with that guy. You can say he plays with wreckless abandon and sometimes that will cause him to be out of position, but there have been some really good players that lack discipline that have turned out to be just fine. One of the best DTs in the NFL right now (Haynesworth) is the epitomy of a player that lacks discipline within a system but still continues to make plays. Sometimes you have to be able to look at a player and say, yeah he isn't the sharpest cat, but all he does is make play after play. There are plenty of players like that in the NFL.

And when it's all said and done, I hope that Alphonso turns out to be a stud player. Maybe he just needs more time than most to make that leap, but I think it's fair to expect he at least break into the dime packages in year two. I mean, we're talking about the 37th overall pick and a player the Broncos thought very highly of, obviously. And don't forget during McD's end of season presser, he did mention the draft and did mention getting players that were a little bigger or a little faster. He also went on to talk about Smith and how he expected much much more from him beginning in year two. Now we have some conflicting camp reports regarding his play, but one thing is certain... based on the Broncos evaluation he is on the bubble right now and is the team's 10th DB.

Requiem
08-14-2010, 03:21 PM
But honestly, why compare?

My guess is to use it as a tactic to paint the Smith selection as one worse than it was. [Which is yet to be known for sure, he has played one season.]

"Well, look at these guys we could have had instead of Smith -- look how well they played!"

Who even knows if they were on our board or players we were even interested in. I see no sense in comparing the career of a cornerback to that of a linebacker or running back anyways. Clearly, it was the focus of the Broncos Brass two drafts ago to address the secondary by getting Smith, McBath and Bruton. We also did it this past draft too with Cox, Thompson and several UDFA's.

Smith should be judged based on his play, not what someone else on another team did that was drafted after he was selected by another team.

Right now Smith is playing behind one of the GOAT at his position and another solid veteran in Goodman. Hopefully in time, he'll be able to up his game and take over for them. The height of his selection would indicate that the coaches think that he can. Well, I'd assume.

Broncoman13
08-14-2010, 03:39 PM
My guess is to use it as a tactic to paint the Smith selection as one worse than it was. [Which is yet to be known for sure, he has played one season.]

"Well, look at these guys we could have had instead of Smith -- look how well they played!"

Who even knows if they were on our board or players we were even interested in. I see no sense in comparing the career of a cornerback to that of a linebacker or running back anyways. Clearly, it was the focus of the Broncos Brass two drafts ago to address the secondary by getting Smith, McBath and Bruton. We also did it this past draft too with Cox, Thompson and several UDFA's.

Smith should be judged based on his play, not what someone else on another team did that was drafted after he was selected by another team.

Right now Smith is playing behind one of the GOAT at his position and another solid veteran in Goodman. Hopefully in time, he'll be able to up his game and take over for them. The height of his selection would indicate that the coaches think that he can. Well, I'd assume.


Okay, right now Smith is behind the GOAT, our 2nd CB who was ranked #82 in overall YPA... he was ranked 70th or worse in the short, medium, deep, and vertical levels. He was the 2nd worst starting CB in the entire NFL based on YPA. Also, in case you haven't seen the depth chart lately, a 5th round pick is in front of him, a 2nd year UDFA, and a FA pick up from Miami who has generally looked pretty damn poor in camp. I'll give Smith credit though, he has managed to hold off 7th round pick Syd' Thompson and has the team's 6th CB spot secured at this point. So you have Champ, Goodman, Cox, Jones, and then maybe you can start talking about where Smith fits in the competition with guys like Carter, Vaughn, Thompson, and the rest of the no-namers.

It has everything to do with what he's shown on the field. And you can attribute it to being young all you like, the fact of the matter is you have two young guys in front of him right now in a 5th round pick and an UDFA from Smith's same draft class.

Requiem
08-14-2010, 04:15 PM
Okay, right now Smith is behind the GOAT, our 2nd CB who was ranked #82 in overall YPA... he was ranked 70th or worse in the short, medium, deep, and vertical levels. He was the 2nd worst starting CB in the entire NFL based on YPA.

Do you really believe Goodman was the one of the worst starting cornerbacks in the NFL last season?

Also, in case you haven't seen the depth chart lately, a 5th round pick is in front of him, a 2nd year UDFA, and a FA pick up from Miami who has generally looked pretty damn poor in camp. I'll give Smith credit though, he has managed to hold off 7th round pick Syd' Thompson and has the team's 6th CB spot secured at this point. So you have Champ, Goodman, Cox, Jones, and then maybe you can start talking about where Smith fits in the competition with guys like Carter, Vaughn, Thompson, and the rest of the no-namers.

Glad to hear that Cox is impressing in camp. I've read mixed reports on Nate Jones, ups and downs. And FWIW, Smith is not behind Tony Carter, he is actually ahead of him. He would be the fifth. Nice try, though. Plus, it is early on in the pre-season. Where Smith is right now doesn't matter to me, it is where he ends up performing -- and I hope for our sake and his, it is better than a sub-package corner.

It has everything to do with what he's shown on the field. And you can attribute it to being young all you like, the fact of the matter is you have two young guys in front of him right now in a 5th round pick and an UDFA from Smith's same draft class.

Once again, I fail to see where Carter is ahead of him.

Bailey, Goodman, Cox, Jones, Smith and Carter is how I read the chart. Are you looking at it upside down?

Unlike you, I am not going to judge Smith's worthiness on the team after one season. I'll wait and see how it plays out.

Broncoman13
08-14-2010, 04:18 PM
Do you really believe Goodman was the one of the worst starting cornerbacks in the NFL last season?



Glad to hear that Cox is impressing in camp. I've read mixed reports on Nate Jones, ups and downs. And FWIW, Smith is not behind Tony Carter, he is actually ahead of him. He would be the fifth. Nice try, though. Plus, it is early on in the pre-season. Where Smith is right now doesn't matter to me, it is where he ends up performing -- and I hope for our sake and his, it is better than a sub-package corner.



Once again, I fail to see where Carter is ahead of him.

Bailey, Goodman, Cox, Jones, Smith and Carter is how I read the chart. Are you looking at it upside down?

Unlike you, I am not going to judge Smith's worthiness on the team after one season. I'll wait and see how it plays out.

Okay, you can split hairs over who is our 5th and 6th CB. Fact is, it's between the 37th overall pick and an UDFA that out played him in their rookie seasons. Sorry, but I expect more out of a high 2nd round pick.

Requiem
08-14-2010, 04:23 PM
Okay, you can split hairs over who is our 5th and 6th CB.

Not splitting hairs, I am just reading the depth chart as is. You were disingenuous about it.

Fact is, it's between the 37th overall pick and an UDFA that out played him in their rookie seasons.

Happens all the time.

Sorry, but I expect more out of a high 2nd round pick.

Yes, and I do too -- I think we all do. My point is that I will give him more than just a year before I go and throw him under the bus. Reminds me of the Steelers/Woodley situation.

Broncoman13
08-14-2010, 04:41 PM
Not splitting hairs, I am just reading the depth chart as is. You were disingenuous about it.



Happens all the time.



Yes, and I do too -- I think we all do. My point is that I will give him more than just a year before I go and throw him under the bus. Reminds me of the Steelers/Woodley situation.

How does it remind you of Woodley? Two completely different positions. Didn't you say earlier that it was pointless to compare Smith to a player of a different position? But even if we go down that path, Woodley earned signficant playing time in year one. He was even able to get three or four sacks that first year. By the 2nd year he was a starter and not even close to battling for a roster spot... he then went on to have double digit sacks.

I hope for our sake that Smith makes the team and has some sort of showing to give us hope for the future. Right now, he is battling for a roster spot!

Champ, Goodman, Cox, Jones, Dawkins, Hill, Bruton, McBath, Smith/Carter or do you think we'll keep 10?

Broncoman13
08-14-2010, 04:42 PM
Not splitting hairs, I am just reading the depth chart as is. You were disingenuous about it.



Happens all the time.



Yes, and I do too -- I think we all do. My point is that I will give him more than just a year before I go and throw him under the bus. Reminds me of the Steelers/Woodley situation.


Yes and when it happens you usually hear the word bust!

Broncoman13
08-14-2010, 04:47 PM
Look, I'm at a point where I just hope he makes the team and we continue to develop him, but right now he is on the bubble.

oubronco
08-14-2010, 06:45 PM
<TABLE border=0 width=630><TBODY><TR><TD width="80%">Chargers | Shawne Merriman says holdout was a waste
</TD><TD width="20%"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 18:37:57 -0400
San Diego Chargers (http://www.orangemane.com/team/31/nfl) LB Shawne Merriman (http://www.orangemane.com/player/11223/nfl) said his holdout of the offseason workouts and training camp was a waste of time because he will not be getting a new contract, reports Aaron Wilson, of NationalFootballPost.com (http://www.orangemane.com/link/281). "I didn't accomplish anything at all," Merriman said. "I always knew that I was wanted here, which was one of the biggest reasons for getting things sorted out. You hate to deal with the whole business part of it, but I'm so glad it's behind me and I can go out and play."


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz0wdQKcGc4

_Oro_
08-14-2010, 07:48 PM
It sounds to me that Smith sucks at zone but is great in coverage. Unfortunately for him Champ and Goodman have the 1 and 2 corners locked up so there's no room for Smith until one of them gets hurt. Anyway I don't think the FO drafted him to play in nickel and dime packages, they drafted him to be a 1 or 2 corner...

Requiem
08-14-2010, 10:01 PM
How does it remind you of Woodley? Two completely different positions. Didn't you say earlier that it was pointless to compare Smith to a player of a different position? But even if we go down that path, Woodley earned signficant playing time in year one. He was even able to get three or four sacks that first year. By the 2nd year he was a starter and not even close to battling for a roster spot... he then went on to have double digit sacks.

I said it was pointless to compare the successes of other players on different teams in order to try and not justify our selection of Smith.

I am comparing their situations and what their fan bases were saying. Fans expected more out of Woodley than what he showed in his first year. A lot of people were already calling him a bust because he didn't play lights out his rookie year. The past two seasons, he has performed extremely well and been one of the better young pass rushers in the league. He earned his role, good on him.

I hope for our sake that Smith makes the team and has some sort of showing to give us hope for the future. Right now, he is battling for a roster spot!

The Broncos aren't going to cut Smith after one season. He will make the team. It really isn't that big of a battle.

Champ, Goodman, Cox, Jones, Dawkins, Hill, Bruton, McBath, Smith/Carter or do you think we'll keep 10?

I'm guessing that those would be the ten that we keep.

Cito Pelon
08-15-2010, 08:21 AM
Seems like the A. Smith debate should be on another thread.

GREEN BAY, Wis. (AP)—Jake Delhomme’s(notes) Cleveland Browns debut was a smashing success. No one was happier than Josh Cribbs.

Delhomme led the Browns to a touchdown in his only drive and Green Bay’s Aaron Rodgers(notes) threw one of his own in Cleveland’s 27-24 win on Saturday night in the exhibition opener decided on Phil Dawson’s(notes) field goal as time expired.

“It’s preseason, it doesn’t count. But hey, everybody has a smile on their face,” Delhomme said.


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Cribbs certainly did. At times last year, he seemed like Cleveland’s only offensive weapon in a 5-11 season. Against the Packers, he didn’t touch the ball.

“I wanted to sit back and put my hat on and watch,” Cribbs said. “I was just amazed at how quick he picked up on the offense and how he just was boom-boom-boom through his reads. You see the veteran play in him. It’s very promising.”

Delhomme went 6 of 7 for 66 yards, including a fourth-and-1 flick to Mohamed Massaquoi(notes) for 12 yards that set up Jerome Harrison’s(notes) 4-yard TD run. Backup Seneca Wallace(notes) added two touchdown passes.

“Everybody offensively did a great job. From what I saw last year on film, it’s totally different. They’re very eager to get better,” Wallace said. “We’re moving in the right direction and that’s what you want, a lot of guys who want to get better.”

Rodgers was similarly efficient, reading a corner blitz for a 25-yard TD pass to Greg Jennings(notes). He finished 12 of 13 for 159 yards, but the Packers lost starting running back Ryan Grant(notes) after a hit to the head.

“When you can throw the ball to the kind of guys we can throw it to, it’s going to be just on me to be accurate,” Rodgers said. “We’re always talking about rhythm on offense, and the play calling I really felt like got us into a good rhythm.”

Rodgers completed his first 10 passes, beginning his streak after Grant left. Grant fumbled on his first touch that Cleveland converted for a touchdown before being hit hard on his third carry by Chris Gocong(notes) and Robaire Smith(notes).

He stumbled badly getting to his feet and did not return.

“Did it look like I got stung a little bit?” Grant asked, laughing. “If it was the regular season, I definitely would’ve tried to get back in the game (even) with all the head stuff going on, how they handle that.”

Cleveland’s hopes to improve begin with the 35-year-old Delhomme, who signed after his release from Carolina. His last year with the Panthers was one to forget with 18 interceptions and three lost fumbles in 11 games.

New Browns president and former Packers coach Mike Holmgren watched the game in Cleveland while recovering from surgery on his right foot. No doubt he was pleased with Delhomme’s play and that of Dawson, who nailed a 58-yarder with 1:27 left and the 46-yarder to end it.

The Packers have been embracing high expectations early this season despite their defensive questions. The unit allowed 45 points in a first-round playoff loss to Arizona and is missing key contributors like linebacker Clay Matthews(notes) (hamstring) and cornerback Al Harris(notes) (knee).

“We’re not happy at all,” Charles Woodson(notes) said.

The prolific offense keeps making up for it.

Rodgers found Jennings after changing the play when he correctly read a corner blitz and tossed a perfect pass over Browns safety T.J. Ward(notes) that made it 14-7. John Kuhn(notes) tied the game on a 3-yard TD run on Green Bay’s next drive.

Browns third-string quarterback Colt McCoy(notes), the former Texas star who won more games than any other quarterback in Division I history, began his pro career midway through the second quarter. His night ended like his college career did, a trip to the locker room for tests. This time it was after banging his hand on the back of a teammate’s helmet.

Head coach Eric Mangini said he didn’t believe McCoy’s injury was serious, but they pulled him as a precaution.

That was the only downer for the Browns this night.

“Coach, in meetings he had, he had all the new guys stand up. It was almost the whole team,” Cribbs said. “We’re not the old Browns, we’re a new team, refreshed—new quarterback, new president, new everything and we’re ready to play some football.”

Notes: McCoy finished 5 of 10 for 25 yards with two interceptions against the Packers. He added 25 yards scrambling from trouble. … Browns backup NT Titus Adams(notes) (shoulder) left early in the second quarter. … Browns WR Jonathan Haggerty (foot) left in the third quarter and did not return. … Packers TE Tom Crabtree(notes) (hand) went in for X-rays. … Neither coach had updates on any of the injuries.

Cito Pelon
08-15-2010, 08:26 AM
ST. LOUIS (AP)—Sam Bradford(notes) took the field to a big ovation. Soon enough, reality sank in for the centerpiece of the St. Louis Rams’ rebuilding effort.

The No. 1 overall pick had an early case of the jitters, short-arming a pitch and bobbling a snap the first two plays, looked poised while hitting four of his first five passes, then ended with an extended rough patch in the Minnesota Vikings’ 28-7 preseason-opening victory Saturday night.

“It was fun to get out there, get hit a couple times, get hit, get knocked down, get back up,” Bradford said. “Just getting back into the flow of a football game was fun.”


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Sage Rosenfels(notes), chasing Tarvaris Jackson(notes) for the Vikings’ quarterback job while Brett Favre(notes) waffles on his future, was a standout even though both starting wide receivers are out with injuries. Rosenfels threw for 157 yards and two touchdowns in the second quarter against the Rams’ second-teamers and added a 71-yarder to Marko Mitchell(notes) in the third quarter, finishing 23 of 34 for 310 yards.

The 32-year-old Rosenfels knew before the game that he would be getting a lot of playing time.

“Mentally I was going into the game thinking like it’s a full game, it’s not going to be one series or two series and out,” Rosenfels said. “I got more and more comfortable as the game went on. It’s been a while since I’ve been out there, seeing real live action. A lot of guys did a lot of good things.”

Jackson started but wasn’t out there for long, taking six snaps on the opening series while going 2 of 4 for 11 yards.

Vikings coach Brad Childress had no news on the Favre front.

“I didn’t have a vision before the game. Nothing’s changed,” Childress said. “You know, you can’t have your cell phones with you out on the sidelines.”

Bradford completed only two of his last eight passes against Vikings second-teamers, finishing 6 of 13 for 57 yards while getting sacked four times. The Vikings gave the 2008 Heisman Trophy winner’s surgically repaired right shoulder a battle test with Jayme Mitchell(notes) getting 1.5 sacks on consecutive plays in the second quarter.

“I took a couple, landed on the shoulder,” Bradford said. “It’s not sore at all. We’ll see tomorrow how it feels, but right now it feels great.”

Bradford’s debut probably should be graded on a curve, given Pro Bowl running back Steven Jackson did not take a snap and the Rams were the NFL’s puniest offense even with Jackson while going 1-15 last season. Jackson and Vikings star running back Adrian Peterson both dressed but only watched.

The Rams were handicapped the most, getting outgained 414-150, even though Childress took out all the starters except center Jon Cooper(notes) after the first series.

“In the first quarter we did a decent job,” coach Steve Spagnuolo said. “After that I think it’s obvious we’ve got a lot of things to work on, both sides of the ball.

“We’ve got plenty of time, nobody’s panicking.”

One of the players most victimized by the Vikings was right tackle Jason Smith(notes), the second overall pick last year who’s been bothered by a broken toe much of training camp.

St. Louis is 6-42 the last three seasons, a big reason the Edward Jones Dome was officially only two-thirds full with announced attendance of 40,801.

Bradford is the backup for now behind veteran A.J. Feeley(notes). But Feeley was shaky, narrowly avoiding interceptions on two passes that could have been returned for touchdowns while going 3 of 6 for 19 yards.

Danny Amendola(notes) scored on a 93-yard punt return for the Rams, but fumbled away his next chance at the Rams 16 that led to Rosenfels’ 2-yard touchdown pass to Logan Payne(notes) five plays later to tie it at 7. Garrett Mills(notes) whipped linebacker Chris Chamberlain(notes) on a 65-yarder the next series to put the Vikings ahead.

“Better now than in the regular season,” Amendola said. “Try to get the kinks worked out.”

Six Vikings offensive players did not play. Percy Harvin(notes) has missed all but two days of training camp due to migraine headaches and a funeral, and Sidney Rice(notes) has a hip injury.

Mills had four catches for 106 yards and a touchdown, Payne had seven catches for 52 yards and a touchdown and Mickey Shuler(notes) added a 2-yard grab from Joe Webb(notes).

Cito Pelon
08-15-2010, 08:35 AM
GLENDALE, Ariz. (AP)—Matt Schaub(notes) was excellent, Mario Williams(notes) was rusty but disruptive.

The Houston Texans had little to complain about in their preseason opener at Arizona. Except, perhaps, the final score.

Schaub completed 5 of 6 passes for 78 yards, directing Houston to a field goal on its first possession and throwing a 44-yard touchdown pass to Andre Johnson(notes) on the second before retiring for good in a 19-16 preseason loss to the Cardinals on Saturday night.


“I thought we were sharp,” Schaub said, “on top of our stuff that we were executing.”

Rookie John Skelton(notes), whose uncle Javier Loya is a minority owner of the Texans, directed two late touchdown drives against the Houston reserves to give Arizona the victory.

Williams, battling a hip problem, sacked Leinart twice as Houston took a 16-0 lead. In Arizona’s first series, Williams pushed the Cardinals’ new starting right tackle Brandon Keith(notes) all the way into the quarterback.

“I don’t care what anybody says, there ain’t nothing wrong with his hip,” Keith said.

But Williams, in fact, has been slowed by the injury.

“I felt like I wasn’t as smooth as I wanted to be but that is pretty much because I haven’t played, haven’t hit anybody, hadn’t put any pads on,” he said. “I will work it out. I will work the kinks out. It is still day by day.”

Leinart completed 6 of 7 for 49 yards but, in addition to the sacks, misconnected with Tim Hightower(notes) on a handoff, for a fumble. He didn’t stick around for the usual starting quarterback post-game news conference.

Leinart’s backup, former Cleveland quarterback Derek Anderson(notes), threw a 2-yard touchdown pass to Beanie Wells(notes) but was intercepted twice.

“Too sloppy,” Cardinals coach Ken Whisenhunt said at halftime.

Asked about Leinart’s play, Whisenhunt targeted the entire first-team offense.

“I’m not pleased with how our offense performed in general,” he said. “It’s not so much the quarterback. We had guys the wrong routes, guys in the wrong spot. We had a protection breakdown, not a breakdown but we got beat. All things that we’ve got to clean up.”

Skelton, a fifth-round draft pick out of Fordham, connected with Jason Wright(notes) on a 15-yard pass play with 1:53 left for the deciding score. The 6-foot-5 Skelton completed 5 of 6 passes for 84 yards. Max Hall(notes), the undrafted rookie from BYU who is fighting Skelton for the No. 3 quarterback spot, didn’t play.

“It’s a different world coming from Fordham,” Skelton said, “and to make a step like that is very significant, actually. Being a rookie, fighting for a position on the team, every play counts. I just tried to take advantage of it.”

The Texans chose not to go for a game-tying 51-yard field goal at the finish.

“Our ones were very sharp. I thought they looked really good,” Houston coach Gary Kubiak said. “I thought defensively we played really good all night long. … There are a lot of positives to draw from and we have to draw from those and find a way to give the younger guys something better to work with so they can be successful. They really struggled.”

Houston backup Dan Orlovsky(notes) got extended playing time, completing 12 of 21 for 129 yards with no interceptions. He directed a 15-play, 86-yard drive that consumed 7:48 of the third quarter. It ended with Kris Brown’s(notes) second field goal of the game, a 26-yarder that put Houston up 16-0.

Schaub, who led the NFL in yards passing last season with 4,770, opened the game with a 10-play, 53-yard drive, culminated by Brown’s 31-yard field goal. On Houston’s second possession, Schaub connected with a wide-open Johnson, whose fake had left Arizona cornerback Justin Miller(notes) helplessly in his wake.

Arizona’s first possession went nowhere. Leinart and Hightower messed up a handoff for a fumble that loss 11 yards, then Leinart was sacked by Williams for a 12-yard loss. The next time the Cardinals had it, Leinart drove them from their own 21 to the Houston 32, but Jay Feely’s(notes) 50-yard field goal try was wide right.

Arian Foster(notes) started at running back ahead of Steve Slaton(notes) for Houston and gained 31 yards in four carries. Slaton rushed 10 times for 22 yards and fumbled the ball into the end zone at the goal line. Arizona recovered for a touchback.

Notes: Former Cardinals K Neil Rackers(notes), listed as Brown’s backup, kicked a 24-yard field goal with 37 seconds left in the first half. … Cardinals star Larry Fitzgerald(notes) took a nasty hit from safety Eugene Wilson(notes) as he caught a 16-yard pass from Leinart but stayed in the game. … Arizona second-round draft pick Daryl Washington(notes) strengthened his bid for a starting job at inside linebacker with a solid performance. … Houston rookie RB Ben Tate(notes) has an injured ankle but Kubiak didn’t know how serious it might be.

Cito Pelon
08-15-2010, 08:37 AM
Whoops . . . didn't post the links for the articles above, sorry.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/

oubronco
08-16-2010, 11:03 AM
49ers ready to trade DE Balmer to Seahawks for late-round pick

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PRBronco
08-16-2010, 11:09 AM
49ers ready to trade DE Balmer to Seahawks for late-round pick



Wow, that dude makes Jarvis Moss look like a steal.

SouthStndJunkie
08-16-2010, 06:50 PM
Antonio Bryant may never play for the Bengals

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/16/antonio-bryant-may-never-play-for-the-bengals/

Posted by Michael David Smith on August 16, 2010 8:03 PM ET

Five months after the Bengals signed free agent wide receiver Antonio Bryant, talk continues that Bryant will never play a down in Cincinnati.

The latest news comes from Jason La Canfora of NFL Network, who reports that the Bengals could reach an injury settlement with Bryant, who practiced on the first day of training camp but has been sidelined since because of his lingering left knee injury.

The Bengals already have paid Bryant $7.85 million in signing, roster, and workout bonuses. It's not clear what the financial terms of the injury settlement would be.

But it is clear that the Bengals are starting to regret signing Bryant to that four-year, $28 million contract. In the months since Bryant signed, Terrell Owens has arrived to play alongside Chad Ochocinco, and rookies Jordan Shipley and Jermaine Gresham looked good in the preseason opener.

There may not be any room for Bryant in Cincinnati.

crush17
08-16-2010, 06:58 PM
Yeah when you require over 30 cortizone shots over the course of a season to play, its time to hang it up.

Broncoman13
08-16-2010, 07:24 PM
Shipley has looked good in both games this year. That kid just has a knack for making plays. Reminds me of a Derek Jeter type. Nothing about him says superstar yet he is steady and makes play after play. I was happy for the former Horn.

Cool Breeze
08-17-2010, 12:41 PM
The on-again, off-again drama that is Brett Favre (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player/brett-favre/69674) now appears to be on again. A trio of Vikings teammates including Pro Bowl guard Steve Hutchinson (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player/steve-hutchinson/70752), defensive end Jared Allen (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player/jared-allen/200653) and kicker Ryan Longwell (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player/ryan-longwell/69695) flew to Hattiesburg, Miss. to push Favre to give them one more season.
Favre informed the trio Tuesday that he is, in fact, back in and will rejoin the Vikings, FOXsports.com has learned.
In addition, Favre is on the plane with the players and is heading back to Minneapolis. However, while signs point to Favre coming back, neither he nor his agent have informed the team that he’s returning. And with Favre, another change of heart is certainly not out of the question.
Favre's official Web site e-mailed members of the media with the message: "Stay tuned for breaking news from the Minnesota Vikings (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/minnesota-vikings/67053) today on Brett Favre's possible return."
This latest decision is a complete switch from two weeks ago, when Favre informed teammates that he was retiring -- citing wear and tear on his body -- in text messages seen by FOXSports.com. The team however, immediately responded by offering Favre more money, and teammates reached out imploring the quarterback to reconsider or to take more time.
Although Favre has frequently gone back and forth, it was widely assumed, in the end, that he would rejoin the Vikings. That belief was reinforced on Aug. 12 when the 11-time Pro Bowler and three-time All Pro traveled from Hattiesburg to Pensacola, Fla. to have his surgically repaired left ankle examined by Dr. James Andrews.
Tuesday’s morning meeting with Hutchinson, Allen and Longwell appears to have served its purpose. Favre, who led the Vikings to a 12-4 regular-season finish and the NFC title game last season, now appears fully prepared to play a 20th NFL season.

Senior NFL Writer Jay Glazer is one of the NFL's top insiders.

Kaylore
08-17-2010, 12:47 PM
Favre usually starts to get jealous of the publicity other players get after the first preseason week and wants to come whore it up.

oubronco
08-17-2010, 12:50 PM
He was always coming back it's all about the $

misturanderson
08-17-2010, 07:02 PM
What kind of team leaders would those guys be if they didn't do everything in their power to make sure that Tavaris Jackson isn't their starting QB for the season opener?

SouthStndJunkie
08-18-2010, 01:33 PM
Lions acquire '08 first round pick Lawrence Jackson from Seahawks

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/18/lions-acquire-08-first-round-pick-lawrence-jackson-from-seahawks/

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 18, 2010 3:03 PM ET

Pete Carroll has showed once again that he won't show any favoritism to his former USC players.

The Seahawks traded 2008 first-round pick Lawrence Jackson to the Lions on Wednesday, according to John Boyle of the Everett Herald. The Seahawks will receive an undisclosed 2011 draft pick in the deal, which comes one day after Seattle officially acquired another first-round disappointment Kentwan Balmer from the 49ers.

Carroll quickly dumped his former player LenDale White after acquiring him, and it's a bad sign for Jackson's future that his former coach didn't want him at a thin position in Seattle.

Jackson wasn't a natural fit in Carroll's defense; he was going to be used as a hybrid outside linebacker/defensive end. Jackson was knocked coming out of the draft as someone that had inconsistent effort, and he hasn't beaten that wrap with only seven sacks in two seasons.

Br0nc0Buster
08-18-2010, 02:19 PM
Lions acquire '08 first round pick Lawrence Jackson from Seahawks

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/18/lions-acquire-08-first-round-pick-lawrence-jackson-from-seahawks/

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 18, 2010 3:03 PM ET

Pete Carroll has showed once again that he won't show any favoritism to his former USC players.

The Seahawks traded 2008 first-round pick Lawrence Jackson to the Lions on Wednesday, according to John Boyle of the Everett Herald. The Seahawks will receive an undisclosed 2011 draft pick in the deal, which comes one day after Seattle officially acquired another first-round disappointment Kentwan Balmer from the 49ers.

Carroll quickly dumped his former player LenDale White after acquiring him, and it's a bad sign for Jackson's future that his former coach didn't want him at a thin position in Seattle.

Jackson wasn't a natural fit in Carroll's defense; he was going to be used as a hybrid outside linebacker/defensive end. Jackson was knocked coming out of the draft as someone that had inconsistent effort, and he hasn't beaten that wrap with only seven sacks in two seasons.

Seven sacks in two seasons?
Jarvis Moss would kill for that kind of production

boltaneer
08-18-2010, 03:22 PM
(Some of) you guys might enjoy this: Lovie and Martz put the skirt on Cutler.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Martz-Bears-yanked-Cutler-early-because-of-blitzes.html

BOURBONNAIS, Ill.—The San Diego Chargers dictated how much Jay Cutler played in the preseason opener for the Chicago Bears last Saturday at Qualcomm Stadium.

Not Lovie Smith. Not Mike Martz. Not Cutler.

It was Martz, the offensive coordinator, who made the candid admission this afternoon that Cutler got yanked after eight plays and the offense’s opening drive, which resulted in a field goal, because the Chargers were blitzing aggressively.

More specifically, ex-Bears defensive coordinator Ron Rivera, now the defensive mastermind of the Chargers, called blitzes on four of the game’s first five plays and six of the eight on the drive. Cutler was sacked once when running back Matt Forte did not pick up blitzing cornerback Donald Strickland, but he also completed two passes in the face of pressure and offensive line coach Mike Tice said he was happy to get the experience against the blitzes in the first preseason game.

“Just wanted to get his feet wet,” Martz said of Cutler. “Everybody has a different approach to the preseason games. Our approach was to get him in there and get him some nice throws down the field, get him loosened up with the receivers a little bit. San Diego had a different approach to it and there was a lot of pressure. We’re still kind of putting things in so when they are pressuring as much as they were in a preseason game, which is fine, everybody does that so it doesn’t make any difference.

“But we probably pulled him a little bit earlier than maybe I would normally. I just wanted to make sure we are further along with what we do before we keep him in there under that kind of circumstance.”

Cutler was also hit by linebacker Kevin Burnett when he scrambled from the pocket on a play. The Bears obviously would have preferred he slide or run out of bounds. A big part of the Chargers’ defense is blitzing and the team played it vanilla in preseason last year. When the defense got to the regular season and began pressuring, the timing wasn’t right. So the Chargers have made the decision to practice what they do during the season in preseason, and apparently the Bears thought it was too big of a risk to have their quarterback in there. As it was, Cutler’s backup Caleb Hanie left with a sprained AC joint in his right shoulder when he was sacked by linebacker Antwan Applewhite.

The Bears will likely play their starters into the second quarter this Saturday against the Oakland Raiders at Soldier Field. What if they blitz like mad?

“That’s a hypothetical question,” Martz said.

baja
08-18-2010, 03:34 PM
See everybody hates Cutler....

crush17
08-18-2010, 03:35 PM
I don't see anything wrong with pulling your starting QB to make sure he doesn't get killed. pretty smart move IMO

BigPlayShay
08-18-2010, 03:41 PM
ex-Bears defensive coordinator Ron Rivera, now the defensive mastermind of the Chargers

Huh?

crush17
08-18-2010, 03:46 PM
Ron Rivera is the Chargers D-Coordinator and has been for 3 seasons.


Well, technically 2.5

BigPlayShay
08-18-2010, 03:49 PM
Ron Rivera is the Chargers D-Coordinator and has been for 3 seasons.


Well, technically 2.5

Right, I know that. I was questioning when he had ascended to Mastermind status.

Chris
08-18-2010, 03:50 PM
Jesus Mike Tice is an OL coach now? I guess selling superbowl tickets can really ruin a career.

Los Broncos
08-18-2010, 03:52 PM
Jesus Mike Tice is an OL coach now? I guess selling superbowl tickets can really ruin a career.

.

extralife
08-18-2010, 05:46 PM
Being a ****ty coach can also ruin a career, you'll note.

That Bears offensive line plus the Martz system is going to get Cutler killed.

watermock
08-18-2010, 06:12 PM
Cutler may die under that offense.

I'm serious.

BTW, Mike Tice was almost a bigger moron than

http://www.bangcartoon.com/2007/doormatt.htm

boltaneer
08-18-2010, 10:52 PM
Right, I know that. I was questioning when he had ascended to Mastermind status.

Yeah, "mastermind" is an exaggeration for sure.

But he's a damn good DC. The Chargers defense has improved significantly despite significant injuries since he took over for Fat Teddy Cottrell.

And the Bears defense has been a shell of what it once was since Rivera was in charge there.

SouthStndJunkie
08-20-2010, 11:36 AM
Former Favre receiver could be joining the Vikings

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/20/former-favre-receiver-could-be-joining-the-vikings/

Posted by Mike Florio on August 20, 2010 2:06 PM ET

Wideout Javon Walker hasn't done much since leaving Green Bay after the 2005 season. And one of his best seasons came the prior year, when his quarterback was Brett Favre.

Now, the two men could be reunited in Minnesota. Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that Walker is working out for the Vikings.

The history between Favre and Walker includes some rough patches. When Walker was clamoring in 2005 for a Randy Moss-style contract, Favre made his position clear on the matter -- he wanted Walker to get his ass in line.

"If Javon wants to know what his quarterback thinks, and I would think he might, I'd tell him he's going about this the wrong way," Favre told the Green Bay Press-Gazette after Walker skipped a post-draft minicamp. "When his agent tells him not to worry about what his teammates think and all that stuff, I'd tell him I've been around a long time and that stuff will come back to haunt you." (Said the guy who hasn't attended a minicamp or offseason workout of any kind since 2007.)

So Walker showed up, and he promptly tore an ACL in Week 1 while catching a ball thrown by Brett.

Though Walker might have some lingering animosity toward Favre, it's not as if he has any options.

If signed, Walker would provide depth to a receiving corps that has been hampered by a hip injury to Sidney Rice and ongoing migraine struggles by Percy Harvin.

bronco militia
08-20-2010, 11:40 AM
the old Martz would have left Cutler in....(see Kurt Warner's, trINT Green's and Mark Bulger's dented melon)

SouthStndJunkie
08-20-2010, 11:46 AM
Shawn Andrews gets six year deal from the Giants with little guaranteed money

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/20/shawn-andrews-gets-six-year-deal-from-the-giants-with-little-guaranteed-money/

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 20, 2010 2:38 PM ET
We called the Giants' signing of guard Shawn Andrews a low-risk, high reward gambit largely because we expected the contract terms to be very team-friendly.

The Giants held up their end of the bargain.

Andrews' contract runs for six years and contains "very little" guaranteed money, according to the New York Daily News. Andrews' agent said there is "more upside" in the second year of the deal, which probably means there are a lot of incentives built in.

The Giants' two starting guards are hurt right now, and the team could use some depth. Andrews will work into game shape slowly, and the team wouldn't classify him as a guard or tackle.

Basically, the contract should make it easy for the Giants to dump Andrews if the move doesn't pan out. And it will be very difficult for Andrews to play anywhere else or earn true market value if he manages to have a successful comeback.

Br0nc0Buster
08-20-2010, 11:48 AM
the old Martz would have left Cutler in....(see Kurt Warner's, trINT Green's and Mark Bulger's dented melon)

Cutler will still get his chances, they arent gonna pull him in the regular season when teams blitz the poo out of them

Cito Pelon
08-20-2010, 11:50 AM
It’s make-or-break year for Jaguars’ Garrard

By Jason Cole, Yahoo! Sports
Aug 16, 2:50 pm EDT

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. – On the first play in the exhibition game for the Jacksonville offense, when all the planning and teaching from months of offseason workouts and classroom study are supposed to show a glimpse of hope for what’s to come in a month, the Jaguars got a reminder of one big limitation.


The Jags are 23-25 since Garrard took over in '07.

Sometimes starting quarterback David Garrard(notes) just doesn’t make the right choices.

In this case, the Philadelphia Eagles ran a simple play, bringing one of the safeties down on the offense’s right side, occupying the primary area where the Jags were planning to throw. To most coaches, there is an automatic thing the quarterback is supposed to do: Throw it to the left.


Don’t get fancy. Don’t overthink the situation. Just make the read and go left, where there’s likely to be one-on-one coverage. Or at least one less defender.

Garrard threw right. The ball fell incomplete, which was lucky for Garrard. The pass should have been picked off.

“Yeah, I probably should have gone to the other side,” Garrard said, somewhat sheepishly. His voice drifts off as he defends his decision. It is, to say the least, unconvincing.

This is part of the pressure that has come to bear on Garrard as he enters his fourth season as Jacksonville’s starter. Over his first three years, Garrard has gone from helping the Jaguars get to the playoffs with an impressive 18 TD passes compared to 3 interceptions in 2007 to being the focus of ire up and down the shores of the St. John’s River.

Garrard hasn’t necessarily been bad. But at a time when quarterback play is statistically better than ever, he has been ordinary at best.

From owner Wayne Weaver saying that Garrard needed to work harder and be more vocal like Indianapolis Colts counterpart Peyton Manning(notes) to coach Jack Del Rio tepidly endorsing him as the reigning starter to the obvious discontent among the fan base, Garrard is under fire.

“I want to see him get back to the 2007 approach in 2010,” said Jaguars general manager Gene Smith. “He’s asserting himself more … [but] he’s at a stage where he needs to take a step.”

Either that or the Jaguars could be looking to draft one of the top guys from what is expected to be a quarterback-heavy draft next year. Led by the University of Washington’s Jake Locker, there are roughly a half-dozen juniors and seniors who could be available in April. That includes Andrew Luck of Stanford, Ryan Mallett of Arkansas and Christian Ponder of Florida State.

And no matter what the Jaguars say, they could easily be in the market for one of the top guys, particularly a signal caller who can make more consistent decisions.

“David is a guy who can make plays with his arms and his legs, do things to really help us out, but we need to do it as a unit,” Del Rio said.

Del Rio meant that sincerely, but it’s still damning with feint praise. The knock against Garrard, even from those who think he’s capable of being a successful starter, is that he needs the team around him to play at an extremely high level for him to succeed. In 2007, the Jags running tandem of then-starter Fred Taylor(notes) and Maurice Jones-Drew(notes) was one of the best one-two punches in the league and the Jaguars were phenomenally successful on fourth down.

Over the past two years, as Taylor declined before departing and the receiving corps went into meltdown (the trio of Matt Jones(notes), Reggie Williams(notes) and Jerry Porter(notes) are all currently either out of the league or hanging on by a thread), Garrard’s performance has withered to mediocrity. In that time, he has thrown 30 touchdown passes and 23 interceptions as the team has failed to make the playoffs either year.

Garrard has a respectable career QB rating of 84.9 and can run enough to be effective out of the pocket. Then again, this is an era defined by quarterbacks and doesn’t appear to be changing anytime soon. From Tom Brady(notes) to Drew Brees(notes) to Peyton Manning to Ben Roethlisberger(notes), the NFL is loaded with talented passers.

“The quarterbacks are as great as any time,” said Del Rio, who knows firsthand. He played during the heyday of Dan Marino, John Elway, Joe Montana, Brett Favre(notes) and Troy Aikman. “You look around and everybody is trying to get a great one.”

Right now, Garrard is a long way from that company.

Furthermore, Jags fans are desperate for a game-changing quarterback after being teased by Mark Brunell(notes), Byron Leftwich(notes) and now Garrard, three guys who showed enough to be interesting but not enough to actually be long-term solutions.

Garrard has been sacked 84 times since 2008.

This offseason, fans hit the airwaves with pleas for the team to draft local product and nearby University of Florida star Tim Tebow(notes). After the Jaguars passed on Tebow and all the work that goes with making him an NFL quarterback, the fans have since moved their hope to Luke McCown(notes), a guy who looks the part but has yet to play it since entering the league in 2004.

McCown was impressive in Friday’s exhibition, going 11-for-15 for three touchdowns against Philadelphia, including a 73-yard TD pass to Troy Williamson(notes). That said, most NFL talent evaluators see McCown as purely a backup.

Garrard knows criticism is intensifying. Pete Prisco, a Jacksonville sports talk radio host and CBS Sportsline NFL reporter, summarized his and a segment of the fan base’s feelings about Garrard.

“He stinks,” Prisco said on air recently.

Said Garrard, “I have friends who call me and tell me what’s being said. They say, ‘You should go on with Prisco and say this and this.’ I’m like, ‘What good is that going to do? He doesn’t like me anyways, so what does it matter?’ ”

Instead, Garrard tries to remain focused

“It’s about doing whatever I can within the scheme of our offense,” Garrard said. “You can’t fall into that trap where you say, ‘This is a big year for me, therefore I have to make the big throws or throw the long touchdown.’ You have to stay within what works for our team.”

Starting with better decisions would help.

Cito Pelon
08-20-2010, 12:01 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap?gid=20100819002

Spiller sparks Bills to 34-21 win over Colts
By JOHN WAWROW, AP Sports Writer
TORONTO (AP)—Chan Gailey described his first win as Buffalo Bills head coach as an important step for his team.

If that’s the case, it was a big and powerful step forward provided by rookie running back C.J. Spiller(notes).

It took four plays into the Bills opening drive for the first-round draft pick to begin delivering on his dynamic billing by scoring on a 31-yard run and sparking a 34-21 win over the Indianapolis Colts in a preseason game Thursday.

It came in Spiller’s debut as starter in place of veterans Fred Jackson(notes) and Marshawn Lynch(notes), who were both injured a week earlier.



The only disappointment was the small crowd of 39,583—more than 14,000 below capacity—that turned out for the fourth of an eight-game, five-year series the Bills are playing in Toronto.

“I think you can see tonight why we drafted C.J.,” Gailey said of the player selected ninth overall out of Clemson. “Obviously, running the ball is what he does best. And he made an unbelievable run on that touchdown.”

Spiller broke two tackles on his way to the end zone, and capped the score with a shifty double step that fooled Antoine Bethea(notes).

“I knew there were going to be a lot of people that wanted to see what I could with both of our guys down,” said Spiller, who finished with 10 carries for 54 yards and a 2-yard catch. “It felt good to get out there and make a couple of plays.”

The Bills offense followed suit in bouncing back from last week’s 42-17 loss at Washington.

Trent Edwards(notes) furthered his bid to reclaim the starting quarterback job he lost midway through last season by going 5 for 8 for 93 yards, including a 70-yard touchdown pass to Lee Evans(notes).

The 14 points scored by Buffalo’s first-stringers more than doubled the two field goals they had managed in their previous six preseason games, dating to last year. Rian Lindell(notes) hit a 24-yard with 22 seconds left in the first half to put Buffalo ahead for good, 24-21.

Peyton Manning(notes) and the high-powered Colts (0-2) didn’t disappoint in what proved to be a wide-open and entertaining first half. After opening with a three-and-out, Manning engineered two scoring drives on the next four series, including a perfectly placed 21-yard touchdown pass over the middle to tight end Jacob Tamme(notes) on a third-and-9. Joseph Addai(notes) also scored on a 17-yard run.

Manning went 8 for 15 for 91 yards, with an interception that was returned 78 yards for a touchdown by Terrence McGee(notes). Manning was attempting to squeeze a pass into Anthony Gonzalez(notes) when defender Drayton Florence(notes) got his hand in, deflecting the ball directly to McGee, who ran it back untouched up the left sideline.

“We’ve still got some work to do. That’s kind of what preseason is for,” said Manning, the NFL MVP last season. “You want everything to go perfect while you’re in there. That’s not always the case, but I think you’ve got to have those kind of expectations.”

Backup quarterback Curtis Painter(notes) had a solid showing after he was booed off the field while throwing three interceptions in a 37-17 loss to San Francisco on Sunday. On his second series, Painter drove the Colts 81 yards on two plays for a touchdown. After hitting Taj Smith(notes) for a 38-yard pass, Painter went back to Smith for a 43-yard touchdown pass.

“Curtis Painter certainly had a better evening,” Colts coach Jim Caldwell said. “I think he played well, threw the ball well.”

The big loser this week has been Rogers Communication, which has been under heavy criticism in the Toronto media this week for paying the Bills $78 million two years ago for the right to host the series, which runs through 2012.

Neither of the first three games of the series fully sold out the 54,000-seat facility.

The crowd that did show proved lively, but it’s unclear how many paid full price for their tickets, which ranged from $75 to $275. About 15 minutes before the game, a group of three fans purchased lower bowl tickets, originally priced at $275, for half price from a scalper.

Though there were numerous fans wearing Colts jerseys, the Bills did have the larger contingent, and attracted several loud and extended cheers throughout much of the first half.

Manning took time to take in the atmosphere.

“I thought it was good. I didn’t know what to expect,” he said. “I thought the fans, it seemed like they were all having a good time up there.”

Spiller might have had the best time, and attracted much of the praise from his teammates.

“I don’t mean to single one guy out,” Edwards said. “But I think what this means is we’ve got a really good running back. C.J. Spiller, it was a lot of fun handing the ball to him tonight. He made some good defensive players miss.”

Broncosfreak_56
08-20-2010, 12:06 PM
That Spiller run was amazing.

Cito Pelon
08-20-2010, 12:07 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-redskins-johnson

Larry Johnson gets start as Redskins host Ravens
By JOSEPH WHITE, AP Sports Writer
ASHBURN, Va. (AP)—Last week, it was Clinton Portis(notes). Now Larry Johnson(notes) has a turn at the feature role in the crowded competition for playing time in the Washington Redskins backfield.

Johnson will start Saturday night’s preseason game against the Baltimore Ravens as coach Mike Shanahan continues to sort out how best to handle a trio of older running backs out to prove they’re not past their prime.

“Larry’s been very consistent,” Shanahan said, “but I do see a sense of urgency this week. He’s going to get an opportunity to showcase his talents.”

The third back in the veteran mix is Willie Parker(notes), who will get to run with the first unit in next week’s game against the New York Jets.

“We will get a chance to see these guys in game situations,” Shanahan said. “We have had a chance to evaluate them in practice, but it is always a little hard to evaluate backs when people are not tackling them.”

Johnson will turn 31 in November, Parker will turn 30 in November, and Portis hits 29 on the first day of September. Johnson’s last 1,000-yard season came in 2006, when he piled up 1,789 yards with Kansas City. Parker last hit the four-digit mark in 2007, gaining 1,316 with Pittsburgh. Portis ran for 1,487 with the Redskins two years ago, but he missed half of last season with a concussion.

The additions of Johnson and Parker have put Portis on notice that he’s not irreplaceable. Although he entered training camp at the top of the depth chart, he had to play more than his usual token amount in the first preseason game, carrying six times for 22 yards.

Johnson and Parker sat out the first game, waiting their turns. For Johnson, it’s a chance to show he still has something left after declining performance and off-the-field issues led to his departure last year from the Chiefs.

“My body’s still fresh and young,” Johnson said. “People who sit on the couch, when they hit their 30s, they give up on the things that they can do (or) they used to do when they were 21. Being an athlete, you’re year-round working out and doing the things you need to do to keep yourself that way, and so being 30 doesn’t really change anything.”

Both the Ravens and Redskins got off to good preseason starts last week. Joe Flacco(notes) led two scoring drives in Baltimore’s win over Carolina, and Donovan McNabb(notes) threw a touchdown pass in his Washington debut in a victory over Buffalo.

The second game is usually more telling, with starters on both sides seeing more action. There’s also the annual debate as to whether these two teams have an actual rivalry—or if they’re just neighbors who get together every now and then. The Redskins barely broached the topic this week, but Baltimore coach John Harbaugh tried to talk it up a little.

“When you get on the field and you look over there and you see the burgundy and gold, and you see that that’s the team you’re playing, the competitive juices start flowing,” Harbaugh said, “and I’m sure they will for them, too.”

Cito Pelon
08-20-2010, 12:19 PM
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/rosenblog/2010/08/the-bears-have-seen-a-blitz-before-right.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rosenblog+%28ChicagoSports-+RosenBlog%29

The Bears have seen a blitz before, right?

Mike Martz told the truth: The Bears pulled quarterback Jay Cutler after only eight plays of their exhibition opener because the Chargers were blitzing. Since when can you tell the truth in Lovieland, the happiest place on Earth?

Moving right along, one thing I can’t understand is how players can work rigorously year-round to stay in shape, how teams can stage a series of mini-camps and offseason team activities that are mandatory despite the voluntary label, and everybody on the roster has played a lot of football, but yet, the idea of a blitz in an exhibition game becomes so scary and shocking that the star quarterback must be removed until the terror level is reduced to blue.

If there is hard talk of a two-game preseason, then part of the plan presumes a preparedness for all things football. That includes picking up the blitz.

Thing is, Cutler completed his two passes against blitzes. But then he got sacked on one play and ran out of bounds, and that was it.

Maybe it’s a question of the Bears practicing against the blitz during training camp. Practicing effectively, I should say.

Said Martz: “We're still kind of putting things in so when they are pressuring as much as they were in a preseason game, which is fine, everybody does that so it doesn't make any difference.’’

But apparently, it did make a difference, even though, again, we’re not talking about some newfangled football tactic. The Bears have seen this before, and maybe I’m wrong, but the blitz is also something they should’ve expected to see from the Chargers. The Chargers play a 3-4 defense. Blitzing is what that defense does. Did the Bears think the Chargers would count to three Mississippi before rushing the passer?

The bad news is, the Bears new offense didn't get the snaps it had hoped for. The good news is, Cutler is able to take snaps in this week’s game, something backup Caleb Hanie can’t say. I’m not sure if that validates the Bears’ in-game decision or indicts their offseason and preseason approach.

bowtown
08-20-2010, 12:21 PM
Looks like LJ might have be having a problem relating to Shanny. Maybe Mike should go hit the tanning booth a couple more times before this weekend's game.

Kaylore
08-20-2010, 12:28 PM
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/rosenblog/2010/08/the-bears-have-seen-a-blitz-before-right.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rosenblog+%28ChicagoSports-+RosenBlog%29

The Bears have seen a blitz before, right?

Mike Martz told the truth: The Bears pulled quarterback Jay Cutler after only eight plays of their exhibition opener because the Chargers were blitzing. Since when can you tell the truth in Lovieland, the happiest place on Earth?

Moving right along, one thing I can’t understand is how players can work rigorously year-round to stay in shape, how teams can stage a series of mini-camps and offseason team activities that are mandatory despite the voluntary label, and everybody on the roster has played a lot of football, but yet, the idea of a blitz in an exhibition game becomes so scary and shocking that the star quarterback must be removed until the terror level is reduced to blue.

If there is hard talk of a two-game preseason, then part of the plan presumes a preparedness for all things football. That includes picking up the blitz.

Thing is, Cutler completed his two passes against blitzes. But then he got sacked on one play and ran out of bounds, and that was it.

Maybe it’s a question of the Bears practicing against the blitz during training camp. Practicing effectively, I should say.

Said Martz: “We're still kind of putting things in so when they are pressuring as much as they were in a preseason game, which is fine, everybody does that so it doesn't make any difference.’’

But apparently, it did make a difference, even though, again, we’re not talking about some newfangled football tactic. The Bears have seen this before, and maybe I’m wrong, but the blitz is also something they should’ve expected to see from the Chargers. The Chargers play a 3-4 defense. Blitzing is what that defense does. Did the Bears think the Chargers would count to three Mississippi before rushing the passer?

The bad news is, the Bears new offense didn't get the snaps it had hoped for. The good news is, Cutler is able to take snaps in this week’s game, something backup Caleb Hanie can’t say. I’m not sure if that validates the Bears’ in-game decision or indicts their offseason and preseason approach.

That's not a good sign. Martz's system is very complicated. They're going to have a lot of growing pains this year.

Cito Pelon
08-20-2010, 12:28 PM
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/08/cutler-watch-qb-completes-68-of-camp-passes.html

Cutler watch: QB completes 68% of camp passes
August 20, 2010 9:23 AM | 10 Comments
By Brad Biggs


BOURBONNAIS -- Jay Cutler wound up completing 68 percent of his passes in 7-on-7 and 11-on-11 drills during training camp.


The Tribune charted the quarterback throughout training camp to get a sense for how he was settling into Mike Martz's offense and to learn how the ball was being distributed.


Martz's offense demands accuracy with the quarterback often throwing the ball to a spot before the wide receiver has come open out of his break. Cutler completed 60.5 percent of his passes last season, his lowest figure in three full seasons starting. When the Greatest Show on Turf was clicking in St. Louis, Kurt Warner was completing more than 65 percent of his passes.

The charting project determined that Johnny Knox was the most popular wide receiver target based on time on the field and number of targets. He finished tied with Devin Aromashodu but Knox missed time this week with a sore hamstring. Knox, Aromashodu and tight end Greg Olsen were the most pooular deep targets.

Here's how it broke down:

CUTLER CUMULATIVE

323-of-475 .680, 10 interceptions

WIDE RECEIVERS, TIGHT ENDS

Name Catches Targets Short/Medium/Deep
Greg Olsen: 55-of-86 (50 S, 24 M, 12 D)
Devin Aromashodu: 51-of-77 (34 S, 31 M, 12 D)
Johnny Knox: 50-of-77 (23 S, 42 M, 12 D)
Devin Hester: 59-of-76 (32 s, 35 M, 9 D)
Rashied Davis: 20-of-39 (17 S, 15M, 7D)
Matt Forte: 27-of-38 (30 S, 6M, 2D)
Chester Taylor: 23-of-31 (28 S, 2M, 1 D)
Desmond Clark: -16-of-23 (10 S, 9 M, 4 D)
Earl Bennett: 7-of-9 (3 S, 4 M, 2 D)
Brandon Manumaleuna: 5-of-7 (4 S, 1 M, 2 D)
Will Ta'ufo'ou: 3-of-5 (5 S)
Juaquin Iglesias: 1-of-1 (1 M)
Eddie Williams: 1-of-1 (1 S)
Kellen Davis: 3-of-3 (2 S, 1 D)
Richard Angulo: 2-of-2 (2 M)


* Key: Short 10 yards or less. Medium 11-19 yards. Deep 20 or more yards.*

SouthStndJunkie
08-20-2010, 12:31 PM
Nice TD run by C.J. Spiller:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d819e2313/Spiller-31-yard-TD-run

baja
08-20-2010, 12:40 PM
I wanted Spiller bad but not to be. If Buffalo had taken tebow we might have had a shot but I doubt it. Anyway I am very happy with Tebow

Cito Pelon
08-20-2010, 12:52 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/aug/16/spanos-should-step-end-holdouts/

Spanos should step in, end holdouts
By Nick Canepa, UNION-TRIBUNE

Monday, August 16, 2010 at 8:03 p.m.


John R. McCutchen / San Diego Union-Tribune
Chargers president Dean Spanos.
The important clams — those who make the Chargers’ snap judgments — aren’t opening up. It’s hard for us to digest a shell, but they think they have enough food in them to last the winter and be playing football as hearty mollusks well into January, at least.

Once training camp began, General Manager A.J. Smith proclaimed he was done talking about his two Pro Bowl holdouts, left tackle Marcus McNeill and receiver Vincent Jackson. Club President Dean Spanos, who has been known to chat during August, has declined interview requests.

Maybe later on, so I’m told.

We all realize this horse has been beaten well past its postmortem, but Spanos, who craves a championship and wants to get a new stadium built — which in this silly community would seem to require all the good will one could muster — has been known to step into these stalemates with both loafers. Didn’t he do so when the LaDainian Tomlinson pot began to boil over in 2008?

“That’s the perception,” says Smith, indicating it may not have been exactly the case. “You have to get that from Dean Spanos.”

OK. Oops.

“Well,” Smith says, “all I can tell you is that the four of us (Spanos, Smith, capologist Ed McGuire and head coach Norv Turner) are together on everything we do. I think Dean believes in me and lets me do my job, and I appreciate that.

“I don’t inform him of things we’ve done. Everything is discussed way in advance, and he asks a lot of questions. It’s not blind faith. Dean is very much involved; I feel like he’s a member of our staff. He knows me well. He knows my philosophy. He knows what I’m thinking. I have been to the principal’s office, you know. I’m not perfect. This is not my structure. This is Dean Spanos’ structure.”

I’m hardly a fence-sitter, but I can see both sides here. McNeill and Jackson want long-term deals and deserve them.

The Chargers, citing the uncertainty in handing out extended contracts with a possible lockout year looming in 2011, have offered them maximum one-year tenders of about $3.2 million, which means the players have declined $2.5 million raises while millions of people in this country are out of work.

I find it difficult to feel sorry for them.

They should have gotten their butts in here, signed their most generous tenders, and worked things out instead of letting down teammates.

I find it impossible to feel sorry for Spanos, but this is his club, his money, and he is far from being out of the loop.

He’s an active owner. But he should step in and end this stalemate — which obviously has his approval — because I don’t know if he can afford to be without two Pro Bowl players and hope to win a championship. It’s asking a hell of a lot.

The Spanos war chest is not going to be emptied if these guys are signed to long-term deals.

Even if there isn’t a season in 2011, the TV networks are obligated to give the NFL $4 billion.

Divide that by 32, and it’s $125 million per team without a ticket being sold. If the Chargers don’t have to pay out players’ salaries next year, that’s a tidy profit. No way could the team clear that much money if it sold out every game.

But these people still think they have enough to win without two of their stars, and while I have my doubts, I do believe they’re still talented enough to win the AFC West.

And that chip can win you the pot. Smith thinks it can happen.

“I think we’ve traveled that road — no matter who’s here and who isn’t,” he says. “Things happen. Contract disputes and injuries happen. You hold the fort. I think we’re a playoff-caliber team as we stand. If we get into the tournament, we have a chance to win the world championship. Any team that is a playoff team is a threat.

“Our struggles in the playoffs are well-documented and they’re valid. We’re trying to change that perception.”

Nothing seems to change the agents’ perception of Smith, who refuses to buckle, as he’s doing now with McNeill and Jackson’s mouthpieces.

“I know their world,” he says of the agents. “We pay people here. How many players have left here to make more money elsewhere? One would have, (guard Kris) Dielman, and it would have broken my heart.”

As for Turner, he sounds like a coach who has enough.

“People don’t believe or trust us, but we have guys ready to play in those spots, ready to play at a high level,” Turner says. “People are worried about the left tackle, but we have people who can play there. Our system allows us to help out. We have depth. We have a lot of good football players.”

Two are missing.

It would be nice to see the boss put an end to all this.

He wouldn’t even have to talk about it.

SouthStndJunkie
08-20-2010, 03:46 PM
Seahawks given permission to talk to Vincent Jackson

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/20/seahawks-given-permission-to-talk-to-vincent-jackson/

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 20, 2010 5:46 PM ET

The Vincent Jackson stalemate with the San Diego Chargers finally has some movement.

And it could include Jackson moving North.

Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports confirmed with a Seahawks team spokesman that Seattle has been given permission to talk contract terms with Jackson. According to Coles' sources, no significant progress has been made in contract talks since the Seahawks received permission in the past two weeks.

We're a little surprised the Seahawks admit the move publicly, especially after they weren't able to close the deal after flirting with Brandon Marshall earlier in the offseason. Cole reports that the Chargers seem intent on trading Jackson and his deep skills would perfectly fill one of Seattle's biggest needs.

It's unclear what the Chargers want in return for Jackson. Marshall's price -- a pair of second round picks -- would make sense to us.

Kaylore
08-20-2010, 03:50 PM
Seahags have been trying to get a decent receiver forever and seemingly nothing goes their way in that quest.

Inkana7
08-20-2010, 04:24 PM
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/08/cutler-watch-qb-completes-68-of-camp-passes.html

Cutler watch: QB completes 68% of camp passes
August 20, 2010 9:23 AM | 10 Comments
By Brad Biggs


BOURBONNAIS -- Jay Cutler wound up completing 68 percent of his passes in 7-on-7 and 11-on-11 drills during training camp.


The Tribune charted the quarterback throughout training camp to get a sense for how he was settling into Mike Martz's offense and to learn how the ball was being distributed.


Martz's offense demands accuracy with the quarterback often throwing the ball to a spot before the wide receiver has come open out of his break. Cutler completed 60.5 percent of his passes last season, his lowest figure in three full seasons starting. When the Greatest Show on Turf was clicking in St. Louis, Kurt Warner was completing more than 65 percent of his passes.

The charting project determined that Johnny Knox was the most popular wide receiver target based on time on the field and number of targets. He finished tied with Devin Aromashodu but Knox missed time this week with a sore hamstring. Knox, Aromashodu and tight end Greg Olsen were the most pooular deep targets.

Here's how it broke down:

CUTLER CUMULATIVE

323-of-475 .680, 10 interceptions

WIDE RECEIVERS, TIGHT ENDS

Name Catches Targets Short/Medium/Deep
Greg Olsen: 55-of-86 (50 S, 24 M, 12 D)
Devin Aromashodu: 51-of-77 (34 S, 31 M, 12 D)
Johnny Knox: 50-of-77 (23 S, 42 M, 12 D)
Devin Hester: 59-of-76 (32 s, 35 M, 9 D)
Rashied Davis: 20-of-39 (17 S, 15M, 7D)
Matt Forte: 27-of-38 (30 S, 6M, 2D)
Chester Taylor: 23-of-31 (28 S, 2M, 1 D)
Desmond Clark: -16-of-23 (10 S, 9 M, 4 D)
Earl Bennett: 7-of-9 (3 S, 4 M, 2 D)
Brandon Manumaleuna: 5-of-7 (4 S, 1 M, 2 D)
Will Ta'ufo'ou: 3-of-5 (5 S)
Juaquin Iglesias: 1-of-1 (1 M)
Eddie Williams: 1-of-1 (1 S)
Kellen Davis: 3-of-3 (2 S, 1 D)
Richard Angulo: 2-of-2 (2 M)


* Key: Short 10 yards or less. Medium 11-19 yards. Deep 20 or more yards.*

Wow, Cutler completed 68% of passes in practice with no real pressure! I'm so impressed!

boltaneer
08-20-2010, 04:47 PM
Seahawks given permission to talk to Vincent Jackson

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/20/seahawks-given-permission-to-talk-to-vincent-jackson/

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 20, 2010 5:46 PM ET

The Vincent Jackson stalemate with the San Diego Chargers finally has some movement.

And it could include Jackson moving North.

Jason Cole of Yahoo! Sports confirmed with a Seahawks team spokesman that Seattle has been given permission to talk contract terms with Jackson. According to Coles' sources, no significant progress has been made in contract talks since the Seahawks received permission in the past two weeks.

We're a little surprised the Seahawks admit the move publicly, especially after they weren't able to close the deal after flirting with Brandon Marshall earlier in the offseason. Cole reports that the Chargers seem intent on trading Jackson and his deep skills would perfectly fill one of Seattle's biggest needs.

It's unclear what the Chargers want in return for Jackson. Marshall's price -- a pair of second round picks -- would make sense to us.

AJ Smith is the man if he can snake a couple of 2nd round picks from Seattle for Mr. DUI.

I still hate to see him go though. He is a legitimate stud WR and just like the Seahawks, the Chargers have been searching for that for a LONG time. They finally groom a guy into one but his off the field issues and lack of maturity make it very risky to sign him to a huge contract. Funny how it's like a Brandon Marshall situation all over again in the AFC West.

Zoobie
08-20-2010, 04:51 PM
Seahags have been trying to get a decent receiver forever and seemingly nothing goes their way in that quest.

Picking up Deion Branch, Burleson, and TJ Houshmazilly will do that to you, very stupid moves on their part.

misturanderson
08-20-2010, 06:09 PM
I wanted Spiller bad but not to be. If Buffalo had taken tebow we might have had a shot but I doubt it. Anyway I am very happy with Tebow

The only major issue with Spiller was always durability. We'll see if he can hold up to a whole season of punishment. I kind of doubt it.

Cito Pelon
08-21-2010, 09:30 AM
Was it just me, or did it look to anybody else like Brady was seething mad about Orton being higher paid than himself? :~ohyah!: Man, Brady looked like he was ready to bite ten penny nails in half.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap?gid=20100819001


Welker back, Brady shines in Patriots 28-10 winBy PAUL NEWBERRY, AP Sports Writer
Aug 20, 1:41 am EDT

ATLANTA (AP)—It was a short little pass over the middle, nothing special.

Try telling that to the New England Patriots.

Wes Welker(notes) was back just seven months after tearing up his left knee, and Tom Brady(notes) wasted no time going to his favorite receiver in a 28-10 preseason victory over the Atlanta Falcons on Thursday night.

On New England’s second offensive play, Brady zipped a 6-yard pass to Welker. On the next play, they hooked up on a 14-yard completion. A third straight pass toward Welker was broken up by the Falcons, but the message was clear.

The NFL’s most prolific pass-catcher over the last three years is back.

“Getting out there catching balls and getting hit was good,” said Welker, who has 346 catches during that span but was injured in January during the regular-season finale. “It’s a step forward. I’m not sure I’m all there yet.”

Brady threw for a touchdown, Fred Taylor(notes) ran for a score and the Patriots (2-0) cruised past a team that still has some work to do on defense.

Atlanta (1-1) has plenty of weapons on offense, but upgrading the defense is considered the key to challenging Super Bowl champion New Orleans in the NFC South.

The most glaring shortcoming for the Falcons was their inability to get off the field on third down. The Patriots were 11 of 17 in those situations, including a pair of third-and-7 conversions on their opening possession.

“That was our Achilles’ heel the previous season, and that’s something we’ve got to get fixed,” Atlanta coach Mike Smith(notes) said.

But he wasn’t real happy with any phase of his team. The first-team offense twice stalled in New England territory and had to settle for field-goal attempts, and Matt Bryant(notes) missed one of those. A disputed roughing-the-kicker penalty gave the Patriots a second-chance touchdown.

“I know it’s only the preseason, but we didn’t play as well as we need to in all three phases,” Smith said. “We’ve got a lot of work to do.”

New England reached the end zone on two of its three possessions with the first-team offense. Taylor scored on a 28-yard run, and Brady passed 4 yards to Aaron Hernandez(notes) for a touchdown that finished off a 10-for-12, 85-yard performance.

The Patriots seemed to get the most benefit from traveling south early to hold a couple of joint practices with the Falcons.

“It was a good trip,” coach Bill Belichick said. “We played well as a team.”

Cornerback Dunta Robinson(notes), Atlanta’s big free-agent acquisition, missed his second straight preseason game with an ailing hamstring. Two other potential defensive starters, cornerback Brian Wilson and tackle Peria Jerry(notes), also sat out. All are expected to return for next week’s game at Miami.

“It will be nice to see a full complement of players out there,” Smith said.

Brady’s one miscue was a double-pump that allowed Kroy Biermann(notes) to deliver jarring hit, knocking the ball loose. New England recovered, and the offense got another shot when Chevis Jackson(notes) was penalized for knocking down Stephen Gostkowski(notes) on a 41-yard field goal attempt that was wide right.

Jackson dove for the block and came up short of the kicker, who then fell over the Atlanta player while he was sprawled on the Georgia Dome turf. Smith screamed in protest that Gostkowski was acting, then watched Brady go back to work.

Three plays later, he fired a pass that got Falcons rookie linebacker Sean Weatherspoon(notes) all turned around, allowing Hernandez to make the catch in the back of the end zone while the first-round pick was looking the wrong way.

At least Weatherspoon didn’t look as bad as Thomas DeCoud(notes), who came up to make a hit on Taylor and was instead sent flying by 296-pound teammate Jonathan Babineaux(notes), trying to assist on the tackle. Taylor bounced outside and went untouched the rest of the way for New England’s first touchdown.

Matt Ryan(notes) and the Atlanta offense did some good things on his three possessions, driving twice into New England territory. Both resulted in field goal attempts, leaving the first-teamers still seeking their first TD of the preseason.

Ryan said he’s not concerned.

“We don’t gameplan a lot for these games,” he said. “We’re just trying to improve on some different things, see what we like and don’t like and what we want to take into the regular season.”

Bryant kicked a 46-yard field goal that gave the Falcons a short-lived lead, but missed from 47.

Ryan was 8 of 13 for 76 yards before giving way to John Parker Wilson(notes), who played all but the final possession. The third-stringer accounted for Atlanta’s lone TD on a late 19-yard pass to Troy Bergeron(notes) after most of the crowd had left.

New England backup Brian Hoyer(notes) directed a couple of scoring drives in the second half. Sammy Morris(notes) scored on a 20-yard run and Rob Gronkowski(notes) hauled in a 24-yard TD pass.

NOTES: Atlanta rookie DT Corey Peters(notes) went out with a knee injury. Smith said he didn’t know if it was serious. … Falcons WR Harry Douglas(notes) played for the first since sustaining a knee injury in training camp a year ago. He had two catches for 13 yards. … Hoyer was 8 of 15 for 94 yards.

SouthStndJunkie
08-21-2010, 11:11 AM
The only major issue with Spiller was always durability. We'll see if he can hold up to a whole season of punishment. I kind of doubt it.

I think his durability concerns are way overblown.

Spiller missed one game in four years of playing offense and special teams at Clemson. He racked up 7,588 all-purpose yards and only missed one game.

Is he a guy you want to feed the ball to 30 times?

Probably not, because he is more suited to fill a number of roles. Let him tote the rock 15 times, line him up in the slot and let him catch 4 or 5 balls a game, and let him return kicks.

Cool Breeze
08-23-2010, 10:54 AM
Source: Vikings to sign Javon Walker
Less than a week after former Packers quarterback Brett Favre (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=112) decided to return for another season in Minnesota, the Vikings are planning on signing former Packers wide receiver Javon Walker (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=3548) on Monday, a source close to the situation told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.
Walker experienced his greatest success with Favre as his quarterback and Minnesota is hoping for more of the same.
Walker, whose only Pro Bowl season came in 2004 with the Packers when Favre was his quarterback, hasn't had a 1,000-yard receiving season since 2006 when he was with the Denver Broncos (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/den/denver-broncos).
Walker, however, clashed with Favre before he left the Packers in a trade after the 2005 season. Favre torched Walker for skipping the Green Bay Packers (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/gb/green-bay-packers)' 2005 minicamp. Walker was seeking a new contract at the time.
A year later, Walker asked the Packers to trade him in part because of Favre's comments. The Broncos acquired Walker from Green Bay for a second-round pick in the 2006 draft.
Denver cut Walker after the 2007 season because he had major problems with his knees and lost his ability to separate from defenders. The Oakland Raiders (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/oak/oakland-raiders), however, gave him a six-year, $55 million deal with $16 million in guaranteed money.
Oakland released Walker this offseason after two unproductive seasons with the team.
Adam Schefter is ESPN's NFL Insider. ESPN.com's Kevin Seifert and Bill Williamson contributed to this report.

SouthStndJunkie
08-23-2010, 10:44 PM
Report: Sidney Rice could undergo hip surgery

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/24/report-sidney-rice-could-undergo-hip-surgery/

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 24, 2010 1:12 AM ET

Sidney Rice's hip injury may wind up damaging the Vikings season more than any quarterback-coach schism.

Judd Zulgad of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune reported early Tuesday morning via Twitter that there is a "very good chance" Rice could soon undergo hip surgery. The Vikings wideout has reportedly been Vail, Colorado this week at the Steadman Clinic to have his hip examined. Rice could miss half the season if he decides to undergo the procedure.

The timing of the possible surgery has to drive the Vikings crazy. Rice practiced despite the injury throughout the offseason and said as recently as July 8 that he'd be "ready to go" at training camp.

Instead, Brett Favre's favorite target has quietly stayed on the physically unable to perform list while rumors swirled that his absence could partially be due to his contract situation.

We'll be hearing a lot more about this one in the coming days.

oubronco
08-24-2010, 07:31 AM
Supposedly Rice had surgery yesterday per ESPN

oubronco
08-24-2010, 09:18 AM
Three Players Waived<SMALL>August 23rd, 2010 - 4:05pm by Eric Detweiler</SMALL>
http://files.denverbroncos.com/resources/custom/Images/10_Blogs/100823_baker.jpg
The Broncos trimmed their roster Monday when they waived Toney Baker, Kirk Barton and Patrick Carter.
Baker signed with the team in April as a college free agent out of N.C. State. The running back registered a pair of special teams tackles in the preseason opener at Cincinnati but did not have a carry in either of the first two preseason contests.
The team was awarded Barton, an offensive lineman, off waivers from Detroit on July 7.
Carter, a wide receiver, joined the squad on August 5. He did not record a catch in either preseason game.
- Eric Detweiler, DenverBroncos.com

Broncoman13
08-24-2010, 09:30 AM
Brandon Marshall is still a beast. I am watching the replay of the Jags/Phins game. Brandon Marshall didn't start off too fast, but he's been making plenty of plays. So far he is responsible for three TDs and he didn't catch any of them. The first one, he ran a deep out and was ahead of his guy by a few steps, Henne took the safe route and hit the receiver crossing the middle, running toward BMarsh. BMarsh proceeded to lock his guy down and picked up a second guy in the process, Fassano ran in for a 50 yard TD untouched.

The second TD Marshall was merely a decoy drawining the coverage away from the middle of the field. As Henne looked toward Marshall, the safety covering the TE left the TE for Marshall giving Henne a decent window to throw.

The third TD was to Ronnie Brown, once again Brandon Marshall was downfield blocking two guys giving Brown a seam to get into the endzone.

Receiving- He has been hot, especially in the 2nd quarter. He had one easy drop that flew right through his hands. Probably as bad as the 2nd drop he had last week. The rest of the time he has caught the ball and he has yet to go down on first contact. He probably has 25 yards after the catch at this point and most of that yardage is from catching the ball, stopping on a dime and then making a guy or two miss. Very similar to what we're accustomed to seeing him BMarsh.

I don't miss his antics and the constant worries over his off field issues, but I sure do love watching this kid play. He's fun!

oubronco
08-24-2010, 09:39 AM
<TABLE border=0 width=630><TBODY><TR><TD width="80%">Browns | Colt McCoy on the bubble?
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Cleveland Browns (http://www.orangemane.com/team/13/nfl) QB Colt McCoy (http://www.orangemane.com/player/22251/nfl) could need a strong showing in the team's last two preseason games in order to secure a roster spot, according to Tony Grossi, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer.


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cmhargrove
08-24-2010, 09:45 AM
Cutler may die under that offense.

I'm serious.

BTW, Mike Tice was almost a bigger moron than

http://www.bangcartoon.com/2007/doormatt.htm

Campbell, Wimbley lead Raiders past Bears
CHICAGO -- Oakland reserve linebacker Slade Norris recovered a muffed punt in the end zone for a go-ahead touchdown and later blocked a punt for a safety Saturday night, leading the Raiders to a 32-17 preseason victory over the Chicago Bears.
Bears linebacker Brian Urlacher, who missed all but one game last season after hurting his wrist in the season opener, injured his calf on the opening drive and did not return.
Starting quarterbacks Jason Campbell of the Raiders (2-0) and Jay Cutler of the Bears (0-2) both played the first half in the game at Soldier Field.
Campbell was 10-for-20 for 170 yards with a short TD run and an interception. Cutler completed 7 of 15 for 99 yards with a 22-yard TD pass to Johnny Knox and was sacked five times -- four of them credited to Raiders' linebacker Kamerion Wimbley.

Los Broncos
08-24-2010, 09:54 AM
I watched that Raider Bear game, the Bears oline looked bad.

More sacks and picks for Cutler this season.

crush17
08-24-2010, 09:56 AM
Cutler is going to get killed this season.

He's been pressured and knocked around so much already...

broncosteven
08-24-2010, 09:59 AM
Campbell, Wimbley lead Raiders past Bears
CHICAGO -- Oakland reserve linebacker Slade Norris recovered a muffed punt in the end zone for a go-ahead touchdown and later blocked a punt for a safety Saturday night, leading the Raiders to a 32-17 preseason victory over the Chicago Bears.
Bears linebacker Brian Urlacher, who missed all but one game last season after hurting his wrist in the season opener, injured his calf on the opening drive and did not return.
Starting quarterbacks Jason Campbell of the Raiders (2-0) and Jay Cutler of the Bears (0-2) both played the first half in the game at Soldier Field.
Campbell was 10-for-20 for 170 yards with a short TD run and an interception. Cutler completed 7 of 15 for 99 yards with a 22-yard TD pass to Johnny Knox and was sacked five times -- four of them credited to Raiders' linebacker Kamerion Wimbley.

Cutlers lone TD came on a busted play when their terrible OL broke down and he had to scramble. Last year that would have been a sure pick but he found some space to work and the WR's didn't stop on him this time and Knox got free in the back of the endzone for a great play. Cutler should have been sacked more than those 5 times but he was able to get the ball out or escape the pressure.

Anyone else notice this year Cutler seems to have a bigger/lower windup on the deeper passes? I was going to compare it to a Bronco DVD but I decided changing my 2 year olds dump was more important and fun.

DeuceOfClub
08-24-2010, 10:09 AM
I think this year is turning point for the Raiders... I believe they might have an outside chance to compete for 6 wins in a season for the first time since 2002.

BTW, the biggest excuse for Jason Campbell was always that he changed O-coordinator 6 times in the last 6 season. Well, guess what?, this year he just got a new O-coordinator (probably a less qualified one) and I'll bet anyone he will have a new one next year (if not midway through this season)

Broncoman13
08-24-2010, 10:26 AM
I think this year is turning point for the Raiders... I believe they might have an outside chance to compete for 6 wins in a season for the first time since 2002.

BTW, the biggest excuse for Jason Campbell was always that he changed O-coordinator 6 times in the last 6 season. Well, guess what?, this year he just got a new O-coordinator (probably a less qualified one) and I'll bet anyone he will have a new one next year (if not midway through this season)

The Raiders are going to be a very improved team. The real question mark is in fact how much Jason Campbell can help them. Their defense will keep them in games and with Bush and McFadden, they will be able to run the ball. If Campbell puts up respectable #s, say 3000 yards, 20 TDs, and 12 INTs, they will be on the bubble for a playoff spot. I hate saying it, but they are clearly the most improved playoff team right now.

Oh, and if I'm the Broncos right about now I'm calling the Giants to see what it might take to get Osi. We need a pass rush if we are going to compete in the West and Osi may be available for the right price. I don't think we have the players to bargain with, but a draft pick (I'm thinking as high as a 3rd) might do the trick.

Anybody think of anyone else that may be able to help that could be available through a trade?

cmhargrove
08-24-2010, 11:07 AM
The Raiders are going to be a very improved team. The real question mark is in fact how much Jason Campbell can help them. Their defense will keep them in games and with Bush and McFadden, they will be able to run the ball. If Campbell puts up respectable #s, say 3000 yards, 20 TDs, and 12 INTs, they will be on the bubble for a playoff spot. I hate saying it, but they are clearly the most improved playoff team right now.

Oh, and if I'm the Broncos right about now I'm calling the Giants to see what it might take to get Osi. We need a pass rush if we are going to compete in the West and Osi may be available for the right price. I don't think we have the players to bargain with, but a draft pick (I'm thinking as high as a 3rd) might do the trick.

Anybody think of anyone else that may be able to help that could be available through a trade?

I always look at prior trade partners first. We have recently traded with the Dolphins, Patriots, and we even traded draft picks with the Ravens and Steelers. All should have some hand-me-down 3-4 OLB's.

bowtown
08-24-2010, 11:51 AM
<TABLE border=0 width=630><TBODY><TR><TD width="80%">Browns | Colt McCoy on the bubble?
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Cleveland Browns (http://www.orangemane.com/team/13/nfl) QB Colt McCoy (http://www.orangemane.com/player/22251/nfl) could need a strong showing in the team's last two preseason games in order to secure a roster spot, according to Tony Grossi, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer.


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McCoy is best QB in the draft
Coud have had him for free
Instead McBeevis trades away Hillis for Tebow and a bag of chips.
Quinn is half child, half dumb as shark
Browns are incompetent, would have been a steal
In a week division, we go 14-2 fby luck.

Ugly Duck
08-24-2010, 05:55 PM
I watched that Raider Bear game, the Bears oline looked bad. More sacks and picks for Cutler this season.

You got that right. Against Sandy Eggo Culter got pulled cuz SD was "blitzing too much." But Oakland sacked him with a 3 man rush.... that Chicago O-line is a big reason for this:

http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/football/nfl/players/60x80/423993.jpg NFL Sack leader K. Wimbley, Oakland Raiders, Sacks: 4

1 Kamerion Wimbley OAK...4
2 Geno Atkins CIN................ 3.5
3 Antwan ApplewhiteSD......... 3
4 Lamarr Houston OAK........ 2
5 Matt ShaughnessyOAK...... 2

broncosteven
08-24-2010, 06:01 PM
Anybody think of anyone else that may be able to help that could be available through a trade?

Haynesworthless?

LOL

Los Broncos
08-24-2010, 08:36 PM
You got that right. Against Sandy Eggo Culter got pulled cuz SD was "blitzing too much." But Oakland sacked him with a 3 man rush.... that Chicago O-line is a big reason for this:

http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/football/nfl/players/60x80/423993.jpg NFL Sack leader K. Wimbley, Oakland Raiders, Sacks: 4

1 Kamerion Wimbley OAK...4
2 Geno Atkins CIN................ 3.5
3 Antwan ApplewhiteSD......... 3
4 Lamarr Houston OAK........ 2
5 Matt ShaughnessyOAK...... 2

Wimbley was all over the place in that game.

Cutler had constant pressure most of the time.

They were talking about getting Cutler some help with the WR.

Should of paid more attention to the o-line instead, with no time it doesn't matter who the WR's are.

Ugly Duck
08-24-2010, 08:40 PM
Should of paid more attention to the o-line instead, with no time it doesn't matter who the WR's are.

Oh yeah? Try playing with bad WRs, poor O-line & a QB on purple drank....

Los Broncos
08-24-2010, 08:44 PM
Oh yeah? Try playing with bad WRs, poor O-line & a QB on purple drank....

:giggle: Looks like that's the biggest weakness this year for Oakland, the o-line or from what I've seen at least.

The starting center got hurt in that game, didn't look to serious tho.

And Campbell is a lot better than Russell, good speed on the outside for sure, just need time together and gel.

Defense looks pretty good, our two meetings should be good games this year.

Ugly Duck
08-24-2010, 08:57 PM
:giggle: Looks like that's the biggest weakness this year for Oakland, the o-line or from what I've seen at least.

The starting center got hurt in that game, didn't look to serious tho.

And Campbell is a lot better than Russell, good speed on the outside for sure, just need time together and gel.

Defense looks pretty good, our two meetings should be good games this year.

O-line still shaky... but did you notice Jared Veldheer at LT with the 1st team? That kid did OK against Julius Peppers... got burned once for a strip-sack but mostly held his own. We may have got lucky there. Bruce Campbell was at RG with the 2nd team... didn't do as well as Veldheer. Strong as a bull but possibly bit light in the cranium...

SoCalBronco
08-24-2010, 08:58 PM
Oh yeah? Try playing with bad WRs, poor O-line & a QB on purple drank....

Ok that was funny.

Keep your head up Raider fan, things are starting to turn around now, though. IMO, Oakland is possibly an 8-8 team this year. BTW, I think Louis Murphy will be a good player.

Los Broncos
08-24-2010, 09:02 PM
O-line still shaky... but did you notice Jared Veldheer at LT with the 1st team? That kid did OK against Julius Peppers... got burned once for a strip-sack but mostly held his own. We may have got lucky there. Bruce Campbell was at RG with the 2nd team... didn't do as well as Veldheer. Strong as a bull but possibly bit light in the cranium...

He did look good vs Peppers, maybe they found a gem who knows.

And that Campbell does look strong just pure power at RG.

boltaneer
08-25-2010, 12:24 AM
Rumor from Mort. I hope to God this isn't true.

Bob Pompeani or @KDPomp (http://twitter.com/KDPomp) of KDKA (Pittsburgh - where Revis played college ball) tweeted he "hears" deal is 10-yrs, $150m, $65m guaranteed

about 2 hours ago (http://twitter.com/mortreport/status/22062557703) via TweetDeck (http://www.tweetdeck.com/)

http://twitter.com/MORTREPORT

gtown
08-25-2010, 09:27 AM
Looks like the Chiefs wiffed on both Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson, one of them is gonna find the bench soon.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/25/chiefs-close-to-benching-top-five-pick/

boltaneer
08-25-2010, 10:17 AM
Looks like the Chiefs wiffed on both Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson, one of them is gonna find the bench soon.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/25/chiefs-close-to-benching-top-five-pick/

:rofl:

The Chiefs are such morons for going to a 3-4.

SouthStndJunkie
08-25-2010, 10:28 AM
The Minnesota Vikings acquired Miami Dolphins wide receiver Greg Camarillo in a trade for cornerback Benny Sapp, multiple sources confirmed Wednesday.

Camarillo was acquired to fill the receiving void created by Sidney Rice's hip surgery that will sideline him until midseason and the migraine problem affecting Percy Harvin.

Rohirrim
08-25-2010, 10:45 AM
Looks like the Chiefs wiffed on both Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson, one of them is gonna find the bench soon.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/25/chiefs-close-to-benching-top-five-pick/

Wow! You mean the Chefs blew two top ten picks in a row? Gee, that's a shame. Hilarious!

Beantown Bronco
08-25-2010, 11:15 AM
The Minnesota Vikings acquired Miami Dolphins wide receiver Greg Camarillo in a trade for cornerback Benny Sapp, multiple sources confirmed Wednesday.

Camarillo was acquired to fill the receiving void created by Sidney Rice's hip surgery that will sideline him until midseason and the migraine problem affecting Percy Harvin.

There's a blast from the past. I'll never forget that awful game we played against Miami in 2008 where Camarillo just absolutely lit us up for 11 catches and 111 yds. I never heard of him before that day.

Kaylore
08-25-2010, 11:27 AM
Looks like the Chiefs wiffed on both Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson, one of them is gonna find the bench soon.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/25/chiefs-close-to-benching-top-five-pick/

Scott Pioli drafted kind of crappy for NE during his tenure there. Odd that after he leaves the Pats have two solid drafts in a row and the Chiefs blow their top 3 pick. This doesn't bode well for their class this year.

boltaneer
08-25-2010, 11:49 AM
Scott Pioli drafted kind of crappy for NE during his tenure there. Odd that after he leaves the Pats have two solid drafts in a row and the Chiefs blow their top 3 pick. This doesn't bode well for their class this year.

I agree that Pioli's tenure in NE was bad as drafts go. Their drafts really weren't that great over the years. They excelled in picking up free agents on the cheap, shore up their weak spots and get them to overachieve, but that's more on Belichick's eye and his coaching.

Also, wasn't Dorsey a Herm pick? Dorsey in particular seems to be getting a raw deal because he's the square peg being forced into a round hole.

I think he could be good in the right scheme. Probably a year or two more floundering in KC's 3-4, they'll trade him for peanuts to a new team and for his sake, he'll live up to his potential.

boltaneer
08-25-2010, 11:55 AM
There's a blast from the past. I'll never forget that awful game we played against Miami in 2008 where Camarillo just absolutely lit us up for 11 catches and 111 yds. I never heard of him before that day.

Welker and Camarillo. Two of Marty's worst cuts.

I was really pissed when Marty cut Welker. But he wanted to go with Tim Dwight. :rofl:

To be honest though, I'm surprised Camarillo has had as much success as he has. He did pretty well in pre-season games here but it was against 3rd stringers so it was hard to gauge. It's good to see him do well though. AJ finds the best UDFAs out there.

Br0nc0Buster
08-25-2010, 12:08 PM
Tyson Jackson should be benched, he has been nothing short of abysmal so far, and there are questions about his work ethic, but I dont know who would replace him

Dorsey has improved since his rookie year, but as of now he isnt anything special

I dont see them challenging for a playoff spot anytime soon if they dont get a legit qb in there tho

Zoobie
08-25-2010, 01:05 PM
Well at least they got Eric Berry right?

broncosteven
08-25-2010, 01:06 PM
Scott Pioli drafted kind of crappy for NE during his tenure there. Odd that after he leaves the Pats have two solid drafts in a row and the Chiefs blow their top 3 pick. This doesn't bode well for their class this year.

It is always fun to watch KFC fail. Too bad they still beat us at least once a year. Maybe that changes this year.

broncosteven
08-25-2010, 01:09 PM
Tyson Jackson should be benched, he has been nothing short of abysmal so far, and there are questions about his work ethic, but I dont know who would replace him

Dorsey has improved since his rookie year, but as of now he isnt anything special

I dont see them challenging for a playoff spot anytime soon if they dont get a legit qb in there tho

What did they get for Jared Allen again?

I think Cassel is Ok, much better than the Winless Wonder. They have a run threat and if they get a couple WR's to step up their O is ok, their D is bad though.

boltaneer
08-25-2010, 02:32 PM
What did they get for Jared Allen again?

I think Cassel is Ok, much better than the Winless Wonder. They have a run threat and if they get a couple WR's to step up their O is ok, their D is bad though.

They got Albert and two third round picks (Brad Cottam and DeJuan Morgan?).

Wow, what a lopsided trade.

I just imagine them sticking with the 4-3 with Herm and having Allen and Hali at DE and Dorsey and Jackson at DT. I think that could be a scary d-line.

uplink
08-25-2010, 10:31 PM
top 200 NFL players in the AFC West http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/16142/whos-the-best-in-the-afc-west

cutthemdown
08-25-2010, 11:28 PM
They got Albert and two third round picks (Brad Cottam and DeJuan Morgan?).

Wow, what a lopsided trade.

I just imagine them sticking with the 4-3 with Herm and having Allen and Hali at DE and Dorsey and Jackson at DT. I think that could be a scary d-line.

Do you think Jackson gets traded? Do you like how AJ Smith runs the team?

Ugly Duck
08-26-2010, 01:22 AM
The Kids Are All Right: 10 under-the-radar rookies to watch

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/The-Kids-Are-Alright-10-under-the-radar-rookies?urn=nfl-264959

boltaneer
08-26-2010, 09:32 AM
Do you think Jackson gets traded? Do you like how AJ Smith runs the team?

Unless Jackson lowers his contract demands ($30M guaranteed?!) I don't see how he's getting traded. Seattle has already passed on him and rumor has it Washington is now not interested.

If Danny Snyder is unwilling to fork out the cash, you know something is wrong.

I absolutely love how AJ Smith runs the team. He's one of the best GMs out there IMO. The only thing I don't like about him is the way he airs dirty laundry in the media. I guess that contributes to his no-nonsense, hard-nose persona but I wish he would use more "coach speak" when dealing with the media.

Cito Pelon
08-26-2010, 10:24 AM
I don't know if it's an indictment of the rest of the teams in the AFC West, or a matter of SD being awesome, but no AFC West team has won four AFC West titles in a row since Oakland 1972-1976, until SD did it last year. And only SD has won 5 AFC West titles in six years.

snowspot66
08-26-2010, 11:08 AM
I don't know if it's an indictment of the rest of the teams in the AFC West, or a matter of SD being awesome, but no AFC West team has won four AFC West titles in a row since Oakland 1972-1976, until SD did it last year. And only SD has won 5 AFC West titles in six years.

I'd say it's more an indictment of the rest of the teams. KC and Oakland have been plain awful and we trip on our ***** near the finish line every year. We've given both the Chargers and the Chiefs a trip to the playoffs courtesy of our consistent mailing it in.

Cito Pelon
08-26-2010, 11:21 AM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0825-cutler-martz-bears-chicag20100824,0,6899396.story

Martz feeling the love with Cutler
New Bears offensive coordinator as enamored as ever with QB

Jay Cutler talks with Lance Briggs on the sidelines against the Raiders. (Jonathan Daniel, Getty Images / August 22, 2010)


8:43 p.m. CDT, August 24, 2010

For anyone wondering how the Jay Cutler-Mike Martz marriage is progressing, the honeymoon appears to be ongoing, based on the way the Bears offensive coordinator gushed Tuesday.

"There's nothing about Jay that I worry about,'' Martz said. "I just wish all of you could know him like I know him right now. I know that this sounds syrupy and sappy and all that, but every day that I get to know him as a man and as a player he's pretty unusual now.

"He has great character and class and dignity with the players. Professionally, he's trying to do everything just exactly the way we ask him to do it. He's brilliant. He's not smart, he's brilliant.''
If only Martz could speak as highly of the offensive line.

Surprisingly, Martz did not lash out — at least in front of the media — about his line allowing Cutler to be sacked five times in the first half of Saturday night's loss to the Raiders. Left tackle Chris Williams struggled miserably, surrendering three sacks.

"I think with Chris, it's an aberration,'' Martz said. "I see him every day out here. I don't know what happened to him. When I look at him on tape, the technique and everything is just not who he is.

"You're always concerned when you have sacks,'' Martz continued. "… But from what we see in practice every day against what's a real good front, I think they'll be just fine. I really do.''

Cutler chuckled when asked Tuesday about displaying his mobility.

"I don't think we want to use the scrambling abilities the way we did on Saturday,'' he said. "We want to try to incorporate some nakeds and some bootlegs and stuff, maybe not in the manner that we did.

"The offensive line, they had some struggles. They were in the right spots. It was just more of a lack of setting correctly and stuff like that. They're going to take care of it. I'm not worried about it. This week (against the Cardinals) is going to be a good test for them.''

The Bears have as many as 37 different protection schemes in their arsenal, but don't expect Martz or offensive line coach Mike Tice to start exhausting their resources now. Plus Tice said the line has not had a true opportunity to develop cohesion with right guard Lance Louis in and out with an ankle injury.

"We have chosen to let our players just work and get better,'' Tice said. "We're still evaluating our players. I've only been around Chris for a couple of months. I have to find out all of his weaknesses. I have to find out where I can help him, where I can get him better.

"If I guy has a bad night, technique-wise, you continue to push him to stay focused on his technique when he's tired, stressed, whatever's bothering him. … When things are going badly, technique wins.''

cutthemdown
08-26-2010, 11:34 AM
I don't know if it's an indictment of the rest of the teams in the AFC West, or a matter of SD being awesome, but no AFC West team has won four AFC West titles in a row since Oakland 1972-1976, until SD did it last year. And only SD has won 5 AFC West titles in six years.

So basically they dominated division when the other teams were down, but couldn't win a Superbowl.

cutthemdown
08-26-2010, 11:36 AM
Don't take Cutler in Fantasy. He will get sacked 40 times this yr, throw 15-20 picks, and probably only 25 tds to make up for it. Unless he falls out of the top 10 qbs I would pass on him.

crush17
08-26-2010, 11:43 AM
Holy crap Mike Martz is ridiculous.
I wonder if he gives Cutler bj's every day after practice... sheesh.

WABronco
08-26-2010, 12:36 PM
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Kaylore
08-26-2010, 12:50 PM
Holy crap Mike Martz is ridiculous.
I wonder if he gives Cutler bj's every day after practice... sheesh.

I like Martz the guy and he can pretty creative as an offensive coordinator. He does need someone to tell him "no" or he'll get crazy. If Martz can teach Cutler to have some restraint and learn to play within himself, he could realize his potential. Otherwise Cutler will continue to flatline. With that line and that offense in it's first year, though, I expect Jay to throw upwards of 30 picks this year.

boltaneer
08-26-2010, 12:57 PM
I don't know if it's an indictment of the rest of the teams in the AFC West, or a matter of SD being awesome, but no AFC West team has won four AFC West titles in a row since Oakland 1972-1976, until SD did it last year. And only SD has won 5 AFC West titles in six years.

It's a little of both. They got lucky to get in in 2008 but the rest of the years they've earned it, though the rest of the division could have presented more of a challenge.

cutthemdown
08-26-2010, 01:04 PM
It's a little of both. They got lucky to get in in 2008 but the rest of the years they've earned it, though the rest of the division could have presented more of a challenge.

they better hurry and win it all.

broncosteven
08-26-2010, 01:06 PM
I like Martz the guy and he can pretty creative as an offensive coordinator. He does need someone to tell him "no" or he'll get crazy. If Martz can teach Cutler to have some restraint and learn to play within himself, he could realize his potential. Otherwise Cutler will continue to flatline. With that line and that offense in it's first year, though, I expect Jay to throw upwards of 30 picks this year.

I think Martz has helped more on the WR side than with Cutler. They are running crisper routes and not giving up on plays. Haine was tearing up duh bears secondary the day I went to camp they really seemed to work on the routes and finishing plays but Hester wasn't on the field that day.

Last year there were guys who were not the primary target not running crisp routes or going all out. This year ALL the WR's are more into the plays and vs Oakland when a play in the redzone broke down due to the rush Cutler was able to buy time while Knox worked the back of the endzone for a TD. Last year that would have been a bad pick.

boltaneer
08-26-2010, 01:09 PM
they better hurry and win it all.

Didn't you hear? No Vincent Jackson and Marcus McNeill this season. The window has already closed!!! :flower:

Br0nc0Buster
08-26-2010, 01:20 PM
Cutler is going to get his brain beaten in this year behind that line the Bears got
Martz loves his seven step drops and his timing routes that take 5 seconds to develop

WABronco
08-26-2010, 01:40 PM
DIE JAY CUTLER DIe

Los Broncos
08-26-2010, 01:51 PM
Didn't you hear? No Vincent Jackson and Marcus McNeill this season. The window has already closed!!! :flower:

I haven't watched SD this pre season. how do you guys look?

BMF Bronco
08-26-2010, 01:56 PM
Am I the only one in the NFL world that doesn't quite understand the hype surrounding Vince Young? Um, he's still going to suck, he had a decent run at the end of last year but I am not convinced he can carry it through the entire season.

DarkHorse
08-26-2010, 02:21 PM
Am I the only one in the NFL world that doesn't quite understand the hype surrounding Vince Young? Um, he's still going to suck, he had a decent run at the end of last year but I am not convinced he can carry it through the entire season.

I'm with you on that one, it's a wait and see approach with Young. I think he's just as erratic as they come.

Besides, isn't this the year that Kerry Collins is supposed to be the starter? They trade off every year it seems.

boltaneer
08-26-2010, 04:23 PM
I haven't watched SD this pre season. how do you guys look?

Running game looks 1000x better. Mathews looks like the real deal.

The passing game has been modified to do more quick passes. Rivers hasn't attempted a deep pass yet. No doubt this is to take the pressure off of Dombrowski at LT and because they don't have Jackson to throw to.

On defense, Cason and Cam Thomas, who both need to contribute big, are having a good pre-season so far. The d-line rotation they have now looks very strong as they've been stuffing the run so far (#1 rushing defense). The pass rush still looks to be anemic though, unless they bring a heavy blitz. The one concern that I have is that Jammer hasn't looked like his solid self so far. I don't know what's going on there.

But overall I think the defense should be an improvement over last year, if they can continue to stop the run.

In a strange way, it might be a blessing in disguise that Jackson and McNeill are holding out. I've been waiting for a more ball control offense from them. And it will play well with the defense being strong against the run. Maybe a little return to Martyball, if you will. :)

oubronco
08-26-2010, 04:42 PM
Am I the only one in the NFL world that doesn't quite understand the hype surrounding Vince Young? Um, he's still going to suck, he had a decent run at the end of last year but I am not convinced he can carry it through the entire season.

I'm with you, I don't see what the hype is all about

Bronco Yoda
08-26-2010, 04:46 PM
So basically they dominated division when the other teams were down, but couldn't win a Superbowl.

That about sums it up. :P

SouthStndJunkie
08-26-2010, 10:44 PM
Rams fear Donnie Avery won't play again in 2010

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/26/rams-fear-donnie-avery-wont-play-again-in-2010/

Posted by Mike Florio on August 26, 2010 10:48 PM ET

Though the diagnosis can't be confirmed without an MRI exam, the early news regarding the knee injury suffered by Rams receiver Donnie Avery isn't good.

Adam Caplan of FOXSports.com reports that the Rams fear receiver Donnie Avery, who injured his right knee against the Patriots on Thursday night, will miss the rest of the season.

As Caplan explains it, team doctors can check for loose ligaments via manipulation of the knee.

Without Avery, the job of catching passes from Sam Bradford or A.J. Feeley or someone else will fall to Laurent Robinson, Keenan Burton, Mardy Gilyard, Danny Amendola, Jordan Kent, Brandon Gibson, Brandon McRae, Dominique Curry, and/or Danario Alexander.

SouthStndJunkie
08-27-2010, 03:33 PM
Donnie Avery tore his ACL

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/27/donnie-avery-tore-his-acl/

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 27, 2010 5:38 PM ET

The worst fears surrounding Rams receiver Donnie Avery's knee injury on Thursday night have been realized.

Avery will miss the 2010 with a torn ACL, Rams coach Steve Spagnuolo confirmed on Friday. The third-year receiver had some issues with route running and consistency, but he was the Rams' most talented and productive receiver on the roster. (Probably not a great sign for the Rams that's true when Avery has 100 career catches.)

Brandon Gibson figures to benefit with more playing time because he's a vertical receiver like Avery. Laurent Robinson is the new "No. 1" guy, while Danny Amendola and rookie Marty Gilyard will also get their share of catches.

The Rams don't have many "core" young players to build around, so it's especially disappointing when one of them is lost.

Broncoman13
08-27-2010, 07:58 PM
Anybody see this Chris Ivory kid from the Saints? WOW!!! They aren't going to miss Mike Bell down in those parts, that Ivory kid is a stud. Sadly I would say he is better than all but maybe Knowshon and even with Buckhalter. Kid has crazy power and at 225 just showed some nice speed... And a pretty nasty stiff arm to boot!

DarkHorse
08-27-2010, 08:24 PM
We're not ready to crown Ivory because of 1 play now are we? Hilarious!

SouthStndJunkie
08-27-2010, 11:20 PM
LaDainian Tomlinson looks like he may have little more burst this year.

The Jets may be able to squeeze a couple of years out of him backing up/filling in for Shonn Greene.

kamakazi_kal
08-27-2010, 11:22 PM
LaDainian Tomlinson looks like he may have little more burst this year.

The Jets may be able to squeeze a couple of years out of him backing up/filling in for Shonn Greene.

I wouldn't be shocked if he pushed him for playing time with his power. That line is made for power blocking ..... monsters.

SouthStndJunkie
08-27-2010, 11:38 PM
I wouldn't be shocked if he pushed him for playing time with his power. That line is made for power blocking ..... monsters.

The Jets should run the ball....and then run the ball some more.

It's something to behold when you can run the ball like they did last year....imposing your will on a team is a beautiful thing.

They ran the ball for a league leading 172.3 yards per game last year.

Broncoman13
08-27-2010, 11:50 PM
We're not ready to crown Ivory because of 1 play now are we? Hilarious!

He had a few nice places and SP seems to be really high on him. Then he had "That one play, where he ran over a guy showing his power, sprinted down the sidelines, stopped/jukes to the open field, hit the speed, and finished it off with a nice little stiff arm".

I knew there would be somebody that said that... It's kind of like TDs big ST hit. Sure they noticed him before the hit, but that play is what got him a spot and ultimately the opportunity to be greAt.

DivineLegion
08-28-2010, 02:27 AM
He had a few nice places and SP seems to be really high on him. Then he had "That one play, where he ran over a guy showing his power, sprinted down the sidelines, stopped/jukes to the open field, hit the speed, and finished it off with a nice little stiff arm".

I knew there would be somebody that said that... It's kind of like TDs big ST hit. Sure they noticed him before the hit, but that play is what got him a spot and ultimately the opportunity to be greAt.

And to think if we didn't have 4 preseason games that run would have never happened. :thumbs:

Cito Pelon
08-28-2010, 08:00 AM
What's the deal with this penalty being called because the "ball was snapped before the umpire was in position"?

I don't know much about it, but right now I'm thinking this is goofy. The way I understand it is the Field Judge (who used to set up behind the LB's) is now on the offensive side of the ball. He's the guy that spots the ball for the next play, but now he has to run twice as far to set up before the ball can be snapped.

SouthStndJunkie
08-29-2010, 01:04 AM
Donte' Stallworth breaks bone in his foot

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/28/donte-stallworth-breaks-bone-in-his-foot/

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 28, 2010 11:10 PM ET After missing last season to suspension, Ravens receiver Donte' Stallworth will likely miss half of this season to injury.

Ravens coach John Harbaugh said Saturday that Stallworth broke a bone in his foot against the Giants, but the injury isn't season ending. He will have surgery to have a screw inserted, and Harbaugh mentioned that he could return around Baltimore's Week Eight bye week.

Stallworth actually played behind Mark Clayton as the team's No. 3 receiver in the team's first two preseason games, but Stallworth was expected to have a key role in the offense as a vertical threat.

It sounds like the Ravens plan to keep a roster spot open for Stallworth in the meantime.

SouthStndJunkie
08-29-2010, 11:19 AM
The Cincinnati Bengals released receiver Antonio Bryant, the team announced Sunday.

Bryant was a major disappointment after signing a four-year, $28 million contract this offseason with just under $8 million guaranteed.

He signed with Cincinnati despite offseason knee surgery that hadn't fully healed. He struggled in minicamp and training camp and didn't play a game in a Bengals uniform. The writing was on the wall for Bryant once Cincinnati signed veteran receiver Terrell Owens to replace Bryant in the starting lineup.

oubronco
08-29-2010, 11:36 AM
So does he get to keep all his 8mil guaranteed money

WABronco
08-29-2010, 12:44 PM
BTW Toby Gerhart looks terrible. I've only seen him briefly but ya slow and smallish looking (idk how that is but ya).

Broncoman13
08-29-2010, 01:29 PM
So does he get to keep all his 8mil guaranteed money

Bold, should be your first clue.

Actually, I think I heard it was $7m... but yeah, he got paid pretty well for being out the last 4 months! Great work if you can find it! On avg. he's doing better than guys like Jamarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf did!

Broncoman13
08-29-2010, 01:31 PM
BTW Toby Gerhart looks terrible. I've only seen him briefly but ya slow and smallish looking (idk how that is but ya).

I only got to see him run three or four times, but I thought he looked pretty ordinary as well. Certainly not 2nd round worthy.

Most impressive back I've seen so far this preseason was Chris Ivory followed by Ryan Mathews and CJ Spiller.

WABronco
08-29-2010, 09:07 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/09000d5d81a15769/Throw-him-down-big-man-Throw-him-down

^awesome! Unmitigated brutality, good stuff.

snowspot66
08-29-2010, 09:12 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/09000d5d81a15769/Throw-him-down-big-man-Throw-him-down

^awesome! Unmitigated brutality, good stuff.

It's too bad you have to suck as hard as the Lions to have a shot at a guy like that. What a monster.

Beantown Bronco
08-30-2010, 04:07 AM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/09000d5d81a15769/Throw-him-down-big-man-Throw-him-down

^awesome! Unmitigated brutality, good stuff.

Ummmm, no. There's really no place for that in the NFL. If he had tried that with Orton and caused him to miss significant time, I'd be less than pleased to say the least.

DivineBronco
08-30-2010, 04:20 AM
Ummmm, no. There's really no place for that in the NFL. If he had tried that with Orton and caused him to miss significant time, I'd be less than pleased to say the least.

baseball is nice this time of year.....you might enjoy that

SouthStndJunkie
08-30-2010, 07:44 AM
Cowboys cut Pat Watkins

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/30/cowboys-cut-pat-watkins/

Posted by Mike Florio on August 30, 2010 10:19 AM ET

As Tuesday's initial 80-to-75-man roster reduction deadline approaches, more and more names will be trickling out.

The Cowboys have added a quasi-recognizable name to the list by cutting safety Pat Watkins, according to Jason La Canfora of NFL Network. (Technically, the new was broken on Twitter by Cowboys tight end Martellus Bennett, who called Watkins his "best friend".)

A fifth-round draft pick in 2006, Watkins appeared in 13 games and started one in 2009. He contributed primarily on special teams.

The four-year veteran was blocked from becoming an unrestricted free agent in March, due to the rules of the uncapped year. The Cowboys offered him a non-guaranteed tender of $1.176 million.

SouthStndJunkie
08-30-2010, 07:45 AM
That is good news for my boy Barry Church (UDFA rookie safety from Toledo)....that means he will probably make the Cowboys regular season roster.

SouthStndJunkie
08-30-2010, 07:46 AM
UDFA rookie WR Stephen Williams from Toledo has been kicking ass for Arizona this preseason as well.

WABronco
08-30-2010, 08:53 AM
Ummmm, no. There's really no place for that in the NFL. If he had tried that with Orton and caused him to miss significant time, I'd be less than pleased to say the least.

Aww shucks the grown ups are here.

oubronco
08-30-2010, 11:25 AM
Bold, should be your first clue.

Actually, I think I heard it was $7m... but yeah, he got paid pretty well for being out the last 4 months! Great work if you can find it! On avg. he's doing better than guys like Jamarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf did!

Damn that's alot of jack for not even practicing am I right

BMarsh615
08-30-2010, 01:20 PM
DeAngelo Hall will not be punked by tall female reporters


DeAngelo Hall is not about to let a female reporter make him look short. That's why he asks Comcast Sportsnet Washington's Kelli Johnson take off her high heels when she interviews him.

Confronted on the topic by Johnson's colleague, Chick Hernandez, Hall copped to the truth.

"She was too tall. If I was 6 feet like [Carlos Rogers], I wouldn't have to do that, but I'm 5-11, so she definitely had to take them heels off for me," Hall said.

"He demands I do this every time," Johnson added. (Visual evidence and quotes (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/08/deangelo_hall_asks_reporter_to.html) provided by Dan Steinberg of DC Sports Bog.)

I can identify with Hall. Unfortunately, Johnson would still be taller than me even if she was slightly crouching with her shoes off.

(I also once dated a girl in college that was three inches taller than me. When she wore heels to dinner, it looked like her 12-year-old brother was visiting for the weekend.)

My advice to Hall: own your height. It lacks confidence to cover it up. The Redskins only list you at 5-10, which means you are probably shorter than that.

I also recommend dating short women. That helps.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/30/deangelo-hall-will-not-be-punked-by-tall-female-reporters/

SouthStndJunkie
08-31-2010, 10:48 AM
Bucs let go of Derrick Ward

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/31/bucs-let-go-of-derrick-ward/

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 31, 2010 1:38 PM ET

Tired of a lackluster attitude and sluggish running, the Bucs didn't even allow running back Derrick Ward to stay with the team until final roster cuts this weekend.

The team admitted their mistake from 2009 free agency, announcing they cut Ward after only one season with the team.

(This Bucs regime is getting good at quickly admitting mistakes; they dumped two coordinators last year and probably will cut ties with Michael Clayton this week one year after his big deal.)

We thought the Ward signing in Tampa for reasonable money made sense last year, but he didn't perform in 2009. The team didn't seem happy with Ward's work ethic, as he supposedly showed up to training camp this year out of shape.

The move cements training camp sensation Kareem Huggins as Carnell Williams' backup and a favorite fantasy sleeper for everyone drafting this week.

Beantown Bronco
08-31-2010, 12:57 PM
Ouch.

Pats 2nd rounder Brandon Spikes apparently has a sex tape that was just made public...

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view.bg?articleid=1278223

The MVPlaya
08-31-2010, 12:59 PM
Ouch.

Pats 2nd rounder Brandon Spikes apparently has a sex tape that was just made public...

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view.bg?articleid=1278223

Yeah I actually saw it about an hour ago... it's like 11 minutes long not really a sex tape really...theres no sex going on just him naked and the girl fooling around orally and some other little stuff.

baja
08-31-2010, 01:06 PM
Yeah I actually saw it about an hour ago... it's like 11 minutes long not really a sex tape really...theres no sex going on just him naked and the girl fooling around orally and some other little stuff.

So you watched 11 minutes of a guy getting a blow job. Learn anything???

The MVPlaya
08-31-2010, 01:09 PM
So you watched 11 minutes of a guy getting a blow job. Learn anything???

I didn't watch the whole thing it was kind of pointless. Kind of just skimmed through it. I have no idea wtf they were doing to be honest, why he recorded it was completely retarded.

If you want the link just pm me.

Chris
08-31-2010, 01:15 PM
Yeah I actually saw it about an hour ago... it's like 11 minutes long not really a sex tape really...theres no sex going on just him naked and the girl fooling around orally and some other little stuff.

This post is golden.

The MVPlaya
08-31-2010, 01:20 PM
This post is golden.

Didn't want to get too detailed as we have people viewing the mane with "their daughters on their laps."

oubronco
08-31-2010, 01:24 PM
so you watched 11 minutes of a guy getting a blow job. Learn anything???

lol

Tombstone RJ
08-31-2010, 01:27 PM
Yeah I actually saw it about an hour ago... it's like 11 minutes long not really a sex tape really...theres no sex going on just him naked and the girl fooling around orally and some other little stuff.

but you don't consider that sex?

The MVPlaya
08-31-2010, 01:31 PM
but you don't consider that sex?

lol if you see the video you'd understand what I'm talking about.

I didn't really see the middle parts though, I mean if something happened then I could have missed it but from what it looked like, it was pretty ****in retarded lol

The funny thing is that it's a "Kim Kardashian look alike"... and it does a bit.

WABronco
08-31-2010, 04:00 PM
http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/status/22655766208

Wow. Josh Wilson was a legit player. Kind of shocked by this one. Baltimore did well here.

Caveat Lector
08-31-2010, 06:13 PM
The Bucs have cut Derrick Ward...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81a28427/article/buccaneers-cut-rb-ward-after-only-one-unproductive-season?module=HP_headlines

If memory serves me correctly we took a very long look at this guy last year and were subsequently outbid for his services by Tampa. Imagine the uproar if the roles were reversed. Thank f ark we didn't! Hilarious!

TonyR
09-01-2010, 12:51 PM
Time for some more Greg Olsen trade rumors
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 1, 2010 12:44 PM ET
Greg Olsen isn't one of the best 15 tight ends in football, but he makes good copy.

Now that the cycle of "Hey, Mike Martz really does love tight ends" summer fluff is over, we can now return to the usual Olsen fare: trade rumors.

Mike Mulligan of the Chicago Sun-Times -- who calls Martz's love of Olsen "tireless propaganda" -- has a league source that says there is "still talk" that Olsen is available in a trade.

The only problem is that the Bears apparently would still want a second- or third-round pick for him, which is hard to imagine happening at this time. The Patriots may have been interested back in April, but they have two rookies they like now.

We'd guess that Olsen stays put in Chicago, but doesn't wind up as a big part of the offense. Mike Martz is going to use Brandon Manumaleuna for his blocking skills, and he's not going to use two tight end sets.

That all probably means we will write more about Olsen trade rumors during the season.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/01/time-for-some-more-greg-olsen-trade-rumors/

TonyR
09-01-2010, 12:53 PM
Raiders call out Schefter, too
Posted by Mike Florio on September 1, 2010 2:44 PM ET
ESPN's Adam Schefter is having an interesting day.

It started with a report that the Redskins have cut Byron Westbrook, which the Washington Post, a publication which one of its columnist recently confused with The Onion, thereafter refuted. (As of this posting, Westbrook is still on the roster.)

Then, Schefter reported that the Bills, Giants, and Raiders have discussed trading for Cardinals quarterback Matt Leinart. The Bills responded by calling the report erroneous.

The Raiders, who once called Schefter a "false rumor monger" for reporting that coach Art Shell would be fired not long before, well, coach Art Shell was fired, have also joined in the anti-Schefterfest.

In a front-page item on the team's website titled, "Schefter makes untrue statements regarding Raiders," the team says: "ESPN's Adam Schefter is once again making untrue statements about The Oakland Raiders, this time regarding Matt Leinart. The Raiders have never discussed trading for Leinart. The Raiders are very happy about their quarterback situation."

The Giants have yet to publicly respond to Schefter's report.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/01/raiders-call-out-schefter-too/

The Joker
09-01-2010, 01:01 PM
If you're a team who uses the TE a lot in the passing game then surely you'd give up a 3rd for Olsen?

He's improved every year he's been in the league, 8 TD's last year, and is still only 25 and looking like he has room to improve.

As far as I know he's never been in trouble, would have thought he'd be a good pickup for a 3rd.

bap454
09-01-2010, 01:46 PM
If you're a team who uses the TE a lot in the passing game then surely you'd give up a 3rd for Olsen?

He's improved every year he's been in the league, 8 TD's last year, and is still only 25 and looking like he has room to improve.

As far as I know he's never been in trouble, would have thought he'd be a good pickup for a 3rd.

heck, we will just trade them the Quinn's ...for Olsen. Thats essetially a First round pick and a second round pick. :yayaya:

Br0nc0Buster
09-01-2010, 01:53 PM
looks like the Raiders are gonna trade for Leinart

The MVPlaya
09-01-2010, 04:04 PM
Darnell Dockett gets four year extension

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 1, 2010 6:41 PM ET
Cardinals defensive lineman Darnell Dockett is finally going to get paid.

After years of pining for a new deal, a league source tells PFT's Mike Florio that the Cardinals and Dockett have agreed to a four-year contract extension. The deal will take him through 2015.

Dockett is known well for his personality and his Twitter account, but he's also quietly developed into one of the most disruptive pass rushers in football the last few years. He's listed as a defensive tackle for Pro Bowl purposes, but usually lines up as an end in Arizona's unique 3-4 defense. He's just hitting his prime and has overcome an amazing amount to get to where he is.

The team called a press conference, which will be streamed live online. It will provide a welcome dose of positive news during a drama-filled week for the organization.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/01/darnell-dockett-gets-four-year-extension/

Kaylore
09-01-2010, 06:01 PM
looks like the Raiders are gonna trade for Leinart

Ha!

SouthStndJunkie
09-02-2010, 07:33 AM
Ochocinco buys dinner for 64 strangers in Indy

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/02/ochocinco-buys-dinner-for-64-strangers-in-indy/

Posted by Mike Florio on September 2, 2010 5:18 AM ET

On November 14, the Bengals will play the Colts in Indianapolis. On Wednesday, receiver Chad Ochocinco spread some advance goodwill by buying dinner at St. Elmo's Steakhouse in Indy for 64 of his closest friends -- whom he had never before met.

Ochocinco posted an open invitation on his Twitter page, and our pal Todd Wright of Sporting News Radio (who has a St. Elmo's source) said that folks arrived in droves.

For those of you wondering, the magic number was 64 instead of 85 because the room in which the dinner occurred holds only 64 people.

Wright says that Ochocinco was very cordial and took great care of the employees.

St. Elmo's, as you may recall, was the location of the alleged pilfering by Saints coach Sean Payton of a bottle of wine that Cowboys owner Jerry Jones supposedly had reserved during the Scouting Combine.

Ochocinco has promised additional dinner outings at road games, particularly in Atlanta on October 24 and New York on Thanksgiving. (Why do we have a feeling that Chad will be showing up for that one dressed as a Mexican pilgrim?)

Regardless, Chad is a genuine character, a brilliant self-promoter, and apparently a nice guy. He likely plunked down close to $10,000 last night in after-tax dollars and he gave 64 people he didn't previously know an experience that they'll likely never forget.

SouthStndJunkie
09-02-2010, 07:34 AM
That's very cool and Ochocinco is a good guy, but he will be broke as **** 10 years from now.

Dude spends his money like it grows on trees.

bowtown
09-02-2010, 07:35 AM
Ochocinco buys dinner for 64 strangers in Indy

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/02/ochocinco-buys-dinner-for-64-strangers-in-indy/

Posted by Mike Florio on September 2, 2010 5:18 AM ET

On November 14, the Bengals will play the Colts in Indianapolis. On Wednesday, receiver Chad Ochocinco spread some advance goodwill by buying dinner at St. Elmo's Steakhouse in Indy for 64 of his closest friends -- whom he had never before met.

Ochocinco posted an open invitation on his Twitter page, and our pal Todd Wright of Sporting News Radio (who has a St. Elmo's source) said that folks arrived in droves.

For those of you wondering, the magic number was 64 instead of 85 because the room in which the dinner occurred holds only 64 people.

Wright says that Ochocinco was very cordial and took great care of the employees.

St. Elmo's, as you may recall, was the location of the alleged pilfering by Saints coach Sean Payton of a bottle of wine that Cowboys owner Jerry Jones supposedly had reserved during the Scouting Combine.

Ochocinco has promised additional dinner outings at road games, particularly in Atlanta on October 24 and New York on Thanksgiving. (Why do we have a feeling that Chad will be showing up for that one dressed as a Mexican pilgrim?)

Regardless, Chad is a genuine character, a brilliant self-promoter, and apparently a nice guy. He likely plunked down close to $10,000 last night in after-tax dollars and he gave 64 people he didn't previously know an experience that they'll likely never forget.

Is there any player I like more than this guy? Not many.

bowtown
09-02-2010, 07:37 AM
That's very cool and Ochocinco is a good guy, but he will be broke as **** 10 years from now.

Dude spends his money like it grows on trees.

The $10-15 thou he spent on that dinner is nothing compared to the publicity it gives him, popularity, and endrosements in return. He's genius at PR.

SouthStndJunkie
09-02-2010, 10:33 AM
I understand this was a good business move.

I guess I'm talking more about numerous $150,000 to $250,000 cars and the houses and all the **** like that.

If he makes $50 million for playing football before taxes....that doesn't leave you with the kind of money to buy millions in cars and homes. Scottie Pippen made a lot more than that during his career....and he is broke right now.

He markets himself well....but I don't see him being a huge and marketable star once his playing days are over.

Rock Chalk
09-02-2010, 10:34 AM
In for 2K