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Rohirrim
09-04-2015, 08:26 AM
We don't need Darnell. We have Kilgore Trout! ;D

ColoradoDarin
09-04-2015, 08:52 AM
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SonOfLe-loLang
09-04-2015, 08:54 AM
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If he has success, I wonder if the NFL will start poking around the NRL for more talent.

ludo21
09-04-2015, 09:19 AM
I really am rooting for Haynes, the guy is great is going after his dreams and LEFT MORE money on the table to go for this.

Good on him!

Rohirrim
09-04-2015, 12:21 PM
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Sit down. :rofl:

Gort
09-04-2015, 02:43 PM
the Redskins actually hate their fans. that's the only explanation that explains all of the dumb things they do these days. :wiggle:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25289584/look-redskins-are-charging-fans-50-envelope-fee-to-use-will-call

Kaylore
09-04-2015, 03:20 PM
Uhh none? They'd all be dead.

Well what if I want Thanos as my Quarterback then?!?!?

Action
09-04-2015, 03:24 PM
Man if Hayne was on the Broncos - he'd be Hillis 2.0

DENVERDUI55
09-04-2015, 03:25 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">49ers released DT Darnell Dockett, per league source.</p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/639813880189841409">September 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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I hope Bengals sign him. That would make great drama with McCarron there.

IndelibleScribe
09-04-2015, 03:54 PM
I hope Bengals sign him. That would make great drama with McCarron there.

Did Dockett have a issue with McCarron or something?

TerrElway
09-04-2015, 04:02 PM
Even more hilarious is that the financial demographic she just scoffed it is how her husband stays gainfully employed.

Hey! There's a lot of money in being head down and ass up! You get offa her case. She works HARD dammit! Sometimes she has to take time from her lunching and shopping and bitching about the gravy train that is her husband to hit the gym!

I can't even...

(makes "talk to the hand" motion, storms out and slams the door)

DENVERDUI55
09-04-2015, 04:04 PM
Did Dockett have a issue with McCarron or something?

During the ND/Alabama championship game a few years ago they got into a twitter battle due to Dockett. He was tweeting that AJ's girlfriend wouldn't need toilet paper (don't remember exactly what was said) if she was his woman and AJ fired back. They went back and forth for a bit. Dockett was an idiot really and said some really dumb but comical stuff.

Seriously though, Darnell would be a decent bandaid for the Broncos. He excels in a one gap scheme and can play the NT or DE.

SouthStndJunkie
09-04-2015, 04:12 PM
Via ESPN.com, the franchise imposed a $50 “envelope fee” for tickets left at will call. And the team already has dumped the policy.

$50 envelope fee....eat **** lol.

Old Dude
09-04-2015, 04:14 PM
the Redskins actually hate their fans. that's the only explanation that explains all of the dumb things they do these days. :wiggle:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25289584/look-redskins-are-charging-fans-50-envelope-fee-to-use-will-call

I should feel sorry for them, but I don't. NFC East and all that.

IndelibleScribe
09-04-2015, 04:52 PM
Hey! There's a lot of money in being head down and ass up! You get offa her case. She works HARD dammit! Sometimes she has to take time from her lunching and shopping and b****ing about the gravy train that is her husband to hit the gym!

I can't even...

(makes "talk to the hand" motion, storms out and slams the door)

I meant the 5 figure salary demgraphic. Those are the people who keep the NFL flowing in money by attending games, buying merchandise and etc.

SouthStndJunkie
09-04-2015, 05:22 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/04/seahawks-fred-jackson-agree-to-one-year-deal/

Seahawks, Fred Jackson agree to one-year deal

SouthStndJunkie
09-04-2015, 05:27 PM
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet

The #Colts have traded for #Raiders LB Sio Moore, who is now healthy. Price was a late-round pick

Tombstone RJ
09-04-2015, 05:51 PM
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet

The #Colts have traded for #Raiders LB Sio Moore, who is now healthy. Price was a late-round pick

so glad Sio Moore is no longer a faider.

Enter The Dragon
09-04-2015, 06:44 PM
Enjoying my Blue Moon beers tonight courtesy of my brothers losing bet on when Cutler was traded whether or not he would win more than 1 SB. My bet was none. He said more than 1. Delicious!!!

SoCalBronco
09-04-2015, 06:56 PM
Anthony Chickillo made the Steelers 53 man roster.

I'm very happy for him.

Good pick, Scribe

IndelibleScribe
09-04-2015, 07:36 PM
Anthony Chickillo made the Steelers 53 man roster.

I'm very happy for him.

Good pick, Scribe

Fap to this fap fap to this.

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Enter The Dragon
09-04-2015, 07:50 PM
The regular season starts tomorrow morning and I canít wait to fully commit my energy and emotion to focus on the challenges of the 2015 NFL season. I want to thank my family, my friends, all of the fans, past and current players and my teammates for the support they have given me throughout this challenging experience. I also want to thank Judge Berman and his staff for their efforts to resolve this matter over the past five weeks. I am very grateful. My thanks also to the union's legal team who has fought so hard right along with me. While I am pleased to be eligible to play, I am sorry our league had to endure this. I donít think it has been good for our sport - to a large degree, we have all lost. I am also sorry to anyone whose feelings I may have hurt as I have tried to work to resolve this situation. I love the NFL. It is a privilege to be a member of the NFL community and I will always try to do my best in representing my team and the league in a way that would make all members of this community proud. I look forward to the competition on the playing field and I hope the attention of NFL fans can return to where it belongs - on the many great players and coaches who work so hard every week, and sacrifice so much, to make this game great. Most importantly, I look forward to representing the New England Patriots on Thursday night in our season opener. I hope to make all of our fans proud this year Ö and beyond!

Douche Canoe Extraordinare!!!

bronco militia
09-04-2015, 09:00 PM
Bwaha

Beantown Bronco
09-05-2015, 05:25 AM
Enjoying my Blue Moon beers tonight courtesy of my brothers losing bet on when Cutler was traded whether or not he would win more than 1 SB. My bet was none. He said more than 1. Delicious!!!

Huh? Did cutlet retire?

ColoradoDarin
09-05-2015, 06:18 AM
Huh? Did cutlet retire?

Maybe there was a time limit?

cousinal11
09-05-2015, 06:21 AM
During the ND/Alabama championship game a few years ago they got into a twitter battle due to Dockett. He was tweeting that AJ's girlfriend wouldn't need toilet paper (don't remember exactly what was said) if she was his woman and AJ fired back. They went back and forth for a bit. Dockett was an idiot really and said some really dumb but comical stuff.

Seriously though, Darnell would be a decent bandaid for the Broncos. He excels in a one gap scheme and can play the NT or DE.

How'd that work out for Darnell? Wasn't it 35-0 at half?

LikeABoss5820
09-05-2015, 07:52 AM
Colts place Arthur Jones on IR, massive blow to an already thin DL.

‏<s>@</s>RapSheet (https://twitter.com/RapSheet) The <s>#</s>Colts (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Colts?src=hash) will place DL Art Jones on season-ending Injured Reserve, source said, following successful ankle surgery yesterday.

maggnus
09-05-2015, 09:20 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Eagles released QB Tim Tebow, per source.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/640197255849316352">September 5, 2015</a></blockquote>
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TonyR
09-05-2015, 09:26 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Eagles released QB Tim Tebow, per source.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/640197255849316352">September 5, 2015</a></blockquote>
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LOL Well, that was fun while it lasted. I guess Chip is either going to go with just two QB's or he sees someone on the waiver wire he prefers.

LikeABoss5820
09-05-2015, 09:26 AM
LOL Well, that was fun while it lasted. I guess Chip is either going to go with just two QB's or he sees someone on the waiver wire he prefers.

Sanchez/Bradford is fine.

Cant find a better backup than Sanchez.

TonyR
09-05-2015, 09:27 AM
Sanchez/Bradford is fine.

Cant find a better backup than Sanchez.

Agree. But with Bradford's injury history don't you pretty much have to have a 3rd guy on the roster?

ColoradoDarin
09-05-2015, 09:32 AM
Agree. But with Bradford's injury history don't you pretty much have to have a 3rd guy on the roster?

I think if you get to that point, Tebow will probably still be waiting and you could just sign him then.

Gort
09-05-2015, 09:37 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Eagles released QB Tim Tebow, per source.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/640197255849316352">September 5, 2015</a></blockquote>
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even with all of that, Tebow still had a better career than JaMarcus Russell! L O L

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KCStud
09-05-2015, 02:25 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Seattle traded a 5th-round pick to KC for safety Kelcie McCray. Seahawks needed safety help.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/640273092393222144">September 5, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Seahawks desparate for safety help

oubronco
09-05-2015, 06:31 PM
NFL Network ‏<S abp="6378">@</S>nflnetwork <SMALL class=time abp="6380">32s32 seconds ago (https://twitter.com/nflnetwork/status/640336129921843200) </SMALL>
Still no deal for Chancellor & Seattle. <S abp="6386">@</S>Giants (https://twitter.com/Giants) are showing interest. Could get interesting? http://bit.ly/1KTcwtO (http://bit.ly/1KTcwtO)

Would they really trade him?

LikeABoss5820
09-05-2015, 07:02 PM
NFL Network ‏<S abp="6378">@</S>nflnetwork <SMALL class=time abp="6380">32s32 seconds ago (https://twitter.com/nflnetwork/status/640336129921843200) </SMALL>
Still no deal for Chancellor & Seattle. <S abp="6386">@</S>Giants (https://twitter.com/Giants) are showing interest. Could get interesting? http://bit.ly/1KTcwtO (http://bit.ly/1KTcwtO)

Would they really trade him?

He's too important for them but seems contract talks arent going well.

If some team gives them haul, it's something to consider i guess but teams DONT fear going over the middle without 31 there.

BossChief
09-05-2015, 07:03 PM
NFL Network ‏<S abp="6378">@</S>nflnetwork <SMALL class=time abp="6380">32s32 seconds ago (https://twitter.com/nflnetwork/status/640336129921843200) </SMALL>
Still no deal for Chancellor & Seattle. <S abp="6386">@</S>Giants (https://twitter.com/Giants) are showing interest. Could get interesting? http://bit.ly/1KTcwtO (http://bit.ly/1KTcwtO)

Would they really trade him?

They might have to.

The guy wants more money after just getting a payday...if the team gives in, that sets a terrible precedent.

LikeABoss5820
09-06-2015, 01:10 PM
James Jones visiting the Packers, should be signed soon.

Gutless Drunk
09-07-2015, 10:01 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bears?src=hash">#Bears</a> coach John Fox says Kyle Long &quot;is going to be active for the game.&quot; RG or RT?</p>&mdash; Brad Biggs (@BradBiggs) <a href="https://twitter.com/BradBiggs/status/640924022079815680">September 7, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Will Kyle Long play RT or RG on Sunday. He'll be on the active roster, John Fox says.</p>&mdash; Patrick Finley (@patrickfinley) <a href="https://twitter.com/patrickfinley/status/640924287059238912">September 7, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Foxy and Magazu moving their pro bowl guard to tackle? :thumbsup:

Gutless Drunk
09-07-2015, 10:27 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Three days before the opener, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Patriots?src=hash">#Patriots</a> starting center Bryan Stork is in <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL">@NFL</a>ís concussion protocol, source said. Availability in question.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/640938711933431808">September 7, 2015</a></blockquote>
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lulz...like Edleman in the Super Bowl?

DENVERDUI55
09-07-2015, 10:56 AM
They might have to.

The guy wants more money after just getting a payday...if the team gives in, that sets a terrible precedent.

Why does the team have to give in? Kam is the one who will be getting fined.

SoCalBronco
09-07-2015, 11:00 AM
They might have to.

The guy wants more money after just getting a payday...if the team gives in, that sets a terrible precedent.

It doesn't set any precedent. That's a terrible argument.

It's all about leverage and value. Each situation is unique to the person holding out. If some scrub did this they wouldn't care because he doesn't have any value so they could fine him and tell him to pound sand. Kam has a lot more value, so they have to careful.

IndelibleScribe
09-07-2015, 03:39 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bears?src=hash">#Bears</a> coach John Fox says Kyle Long &quot;is going to be active for the game.&quot; RG or RT?</p>&mdash; Brad Biggs (@BradBiggs) <a href="https://twitter.com/BradBiggs/status/640924022079815680">September 7, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Will Kyle Long play RT or RG on Sunday. He'll be on the active roster, John Fox says.</p>&mdash; Patrick Finley (@patrickfinley) <a href="https://twitter.com/patrickfinley/status/640924287059238912">September 7, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Foxy and Magazu moving their pro bowl guard to tackle? :thumbsup:

Good grief, sometimes I wonder if there is a brain among them when it comes to coaching the OL.

BossChief
09-07-2015, 05:21 PM
It doesn't set any precedent. That's a terrible argument.

It's all about leverage and value. Each situation is unique to the person holding out. If some scrub did this they wouldn't care because he doesn't have any value so they could fine him and tell him to pound sand. Kam has a lot more value, so they have to careful.

Of course they can tell ****ty players to take it or leave, but when you give a guy a premium contract -like Seattle did for Kam- and he demands more money and you give in...why would other guys not follow suit?

Should Sherman demand more in 2 years when his contract is outdated and hold out till he gets it? Earl? Russel? Wagner?

It absolutely sets a terrible precedent.

DENVERDUI55
09-07-2015, 05:37 PM
I wonder how much Chancellor has been fined so far and what he loses per game is?

Shananahan
09-07-2015, 05:38 PM
Should Sherman demand more in 2 years when his contract is outdated and hold out till he gets it? Earl? Russel? Wagner?

It absolutely sets a terrible precedent.
Those situations are all the same because they all play football for money, right?

Allowing you to board here sets a terrible precedent.

LikeABoss5820
09-07-2015, 05:46 PM
Boss does bring up a point but how much more is Russ gonna get even when Luck gets his mega-deal?

He's the 3rd highest paid QB in football, i doubt he'll want much more.

Earl is a team-guy.

Maybe Wagner could, but hard to say.

Still, Sea is a much better team with Kam, than without him, you live with the future impact in the future.

Shananahan
09-07-2015, 05:52 PM
Ok, just ban everybody with 'Boss' in their screenname.

DBroncos4life
09-07-2015, 06:11 PM
I was worried that KC would make a run at Kam Chancellor, then I saw his 40 times compared to Tyvon Branch.

Shananahan
09-07-2015, 06:45 PM
I'm sure he'd love to play in that secondary, but do they have room for him back there?

It would definitely be a valuable learning experience.

69bronco
09-07-2015, 07:12 PM
I wonder how much Chancellor has been fined so far and what he loses per game is?

If I read the details right he is being fined 30k per day that he's been required to report and once he starts missing actual games he'll be fined 25% of his 1 million dollar signing bonus throughout the year and 1/17th of his salary per week, and if he holds out past week 10 the time he spent holding out won't accrue towards his contract.

Bunch of mumbo jumbo but I'd say its about to get expensive for him assuming he's not getting paid during the holdout.

BossChief
09-07-2015, 07:21 PM
If I read the details right he is being fined 30k per day that he's been required to report and once he starts missing actual games he'll be fined 25% of his 1 million dollar signing bonus throughout the year and 1/17th of his salary per week, and if he holds out past week 10 the time he spent holding out won't accrue towards his contract.

Bunch of mumbo jumbo but I'd say its about to get expensive for him assuming he's not getting paid during the holdout.

That can't be right.

30k per day of mandatory stuff would already be in the millions. I remember the added those fines in the new CBS, but damn, I didn't remember them being that high.

KipCorrington25
09-07-2015, 07:30 PM
I was worried that KC would make a run at Kam Chancellor, then I saw his 40 times compared to Tyvon Branch.

Nah, he's not a SF backup QB.

BossChief
09-07-2015, 07:31 PM
I'm sure he'd love to play in that secondary, but do they have room for him back there?

It would definitely be a valuable learning experience.

Honestly, I wouldn't want him.

He's already the 8th highest paid safety (based on average per year) in the league on the 3rd year of a 5 year deal and he's holding himself hostage to the team because he wants even more....**** that.

Give me a guy like Eric Berry, who was first team all pro SS (what position does Kam play, again?) in his last full season and has also made the probowl in each healthy season he's played. **** cancer

I'd absolutely take the combo of Berry and Branch over Kam.

DBroncos4life
09-07-2015, 07:34 PM
Oh dear God.

SonOfLe-loLang
09-07-2015, 07:44 PM
It's a good thing I have BossChief on ignore because I'd probably say the absolute meanest things possible to him in the Broncos/Chiefs game thread

LikeABoss5820
09-07-2015, 07:55 PM
It's a good thing I have BossChief on ignore because I'd probably say the absolute meanest things possible to him in the Broncos/Chiefs game thread

Just more homer-based staff.

He said Mathis and Vazquez arent much better than the G's KC has, yes, that was a post.

SonOfLe-loLang
09-07-2015, 08:10 PM
Just more homer-based staff.

He said Mathis and Vazquez arent much better than the G's KC has, yes, that was a post.

Naturally. He lost me at the whole "master plan" BS, which was one of the dumber things I've read on the Mane, and this site brought us classics like the "Doom to mlb thread". The Chiefs certainly have the chance to be good, but his homeristic take and his condescending complete lack of self awareness makes me wanna punch him. He's going to be beyond insufferable if the Chiefs beat the Broncos. (You know, the first time in 3 years). If the Broncos win, I have a feeling he'll be silent or explain it away with an array of lame excuses.

DBroncos4life
09-07-2015, 08:12 PM
Naturally. He lost me at the whole "master plan" BS, which was one of the dumber things I've read on the Mane, and this site brought us classics like the "Doom to mlb thread". The Chiefs certainly have the chance to be good, but his homeristic take and his condescending complete lack of self awareness makes me wanna punch him. He's going to be beyond insufferable if the Chiefs beat the Broncos. (You know, the first time in 3 years). If the Broncos win, I have a feeling he'll be silent or explain it away with an array of lame excuses.

Well just know that he wouldn't take Kam over Branch either.

SonOfLe-loLang
09-07-2015, 08:13 PM
Well just know that he wouldn't take Kam over Branch either.

Well who wouldn't! I'd rather have Alex smith than Andrew luck too. And Rodgers. Put together!

BossChief
09-07-2015, 08:14 PM
Well just know that he wouldn't take Kam over Branch either.

Over Branch AND Berry...along with giving him a new deal for top safety $$$.

You're right, I wouldn't.

I never said I wouldn't take him over Branch, in a vacuum, though.

DBroncos4life
09-07-2015, 08:15 PM
Well who wouldn't! I'd rather have Alex smith than Andrew luck too. And Rodgers. Put together!

Well they cost more.

BossChief
09-07-2015, 08:16 PM
It's a good thing I have BossChief on ignore because I'd probably say the absolute meanest things possible to him in the Broncos/Chiefs game thread

Haha

I live inside your brain.

You supposedly put me on ignore last night, but still can't stop talking about me.

BossChief
09-07-2015, 08:21 PM
Well they cost more.

1) he would require a new deal
2) Eric Berry (when healthy) is a much better player (first team all pro and 3 pro bowls, 2 in which he started)..and is entering the final year of his contract.
3) he values his own image and $$$ above the team.

I mean seriously, if Chris Harris went to the media today and said he's holding out to be paid as the top corner in the NFL, would you maintain full respect for him?

**** no, right?

Would you give in and tear up his deal and give him top dollar?

Think about it...

Drunken.Broncoholic2
09-07-2015, 08:38 PM
Alex Smith on par with Montana.

Jeremy Maclin on par with Jerry Rice.

Derrick Johnson on par with Patrick Willis.

Eric Fisher on par with Jonathan Ogden.

Travis Kelce better than Gronk.

That's just the beginning of KC dominance.

Rocket 7
09-07-2015, 08:42 PM
Alex Smith on par with Montana.

Jeremy Maclin on par with Jerry Rice.

Derrick Johnson on par with Patrick Willis.

Eric Fisher on par with Jonathan Ogden.

Travis Kelce better than Gronk.

That's just the beginning of KC dominance.

Elite talent and measurables those guys have.

Shananahan
09-07-2015, 08:45 PM
Over Branch AND Berry...along with giving him a new deal for top safety $$$.

You're right, I wouldn't.

I never said I wouldn't take him over Branch, in a vacuum, though.
The way your team does business, neither Branch nor Berry will be on it in several years.

BossChief
09-07-2015, 08:53 PM
The way your team does business, neither Branch nor Berry will be on it in several years.

Hahs

Based on....?

LikeABoss5820
09-07-2015, 08:57 PM
1) he would require a new deal
2) Eric Berry (when healthy) is a much better player (first team all pro and 3 pro bowls, 2 in which he started)..and is entering the final year of his contract.
3) he values his own image and $$$ above the team.

I mean seriously, if Chris Harris went to the media today and said he's holding out to be paid as the top corner in the NFL, would you maintain full respect for him?

**** no, right?

Would you give in and tear up his deal and give him top dollar?

Think about it...

Berry on par with Kam, did you just say this?

LikeABoss5820
09-07-2015, 08:59 PM
The way BC talks about KC, they should go no worse than 12-4/13-3 wins and at worst make the AFCCG.

Drunken.Broncoholic2
09-07-2015, 09:08 PM
The way BC talks about KC, they should go no worse than 12-4/13-3 wins and at worst make the AFCCG.



No. That's not what the greatest team at every position does. With the best players in the NFL at every position, best back up players than any team, it's a cake walk to 19-0 cause 40 times!

BossChief
09-07-2015, 09:08 PM
Berry on par with Kam, did you just say this?

Healthy Berry > Kam Chancelor

BossChief
09-07-2015, 09:09 PM
The way BC talks about KC, they should go no worse than 12-4/13-3 wins and at worst make the AFCCG.

I have us at 11, possibly 12 wins.

Last year I said between 8-10

LikeABoss5820
09-07-2015, 09:10 PM
Healthy Berry > Kam Chancelor

Every GM in football would disagree with that.

Kam is better at every facet of the game than Berry.

Better leader, better tackler, better in coverage, did a great job on Gronk in the SB on one leg.

Stop.

DENVERDUI55
09-07-2015, 09:13 PM
I have us at 11, possibly 12 wins.

Last year I said between 8-10

KC OU is 8.5 right now. You should go to Vegas and tease that up to 10.5 and bet the farm on it.

BossChief
09-07-2015, 09:22 PM
Every GM in football would disagree with that.

Kam is better at every facet of the game than Berry.

Better leader, better tackler, better in coverage, did a great job on Gronk in the SB on one leg.

Stop.

They were both drafted in 2010 and Berry is the only one to have been first team allpro while also making 3 trips to the pro bowl and starting in 2 of them.

The only years he didn't make the pro bowl were when he lost the year to ACL and last year partly to cancer.

It's not homer talk to say I'd rather have Berry and Branch than Kam Chancelor.

****, Seattle just traded us a 5th for our 6th best safety...

BossChief
09-07-2015, 09:25 PM
KC OU is 8.5 right now. You should go to Vegas and tease that up to 10.5 and bet the farm on it.

How much does it pay to tease it up to 9 or 9.5?

I might drop a stack on a combination of those.

5 bills on the 8.5 straight up
2 bills on 9
150 on 9.5
150 on 10

If it's worthwhile...

Shananahan
09-07-2015, 09:40 PM
****, Seattle just traded us a 5th for our 6th best safety...
This already happened whenever ago, you're late to it.

SonOfLe-loLang
09-07-2015, 10:04 PM
Every GM in football would disagree with that.

Kam is better at every facet of the game than Berry.

Better leader, better tackler, better in coverage, did a great job on Gronk in the SB on one leg.

Stop.

I'm not gonna pretend to be an Eric berry expert, but when the Broncos play the Seahawks, Kam beasts us. When the Broncos play the Chiefs, Eric berry is looking at the backs of lots of Broncos receivers.

But ya know, berry is much better because he says so

DBroncos4life
09-07-2015, 10:22 PM
He's actually right about Berry.

Eric Berry is a fine player. Hard to say what he will get next year as a FA. Long term do you invest in a guy that had cancer or a guy that holds out after two years of his contract?

SonOfLe-loLang
09-07-2015, 10:23 PM
Maybe, I won't pretend to know. Truth is, on telecasts, most of the secondary is off screen so unless you're watching the all 22, it's hard to say. But he just regurgitates opinions and the makes up others entirely. He seriously reminds me of me when I was twelve and I thought the Broncos had the best players ever even though we were mediocre. Rod bernstine, Leonard Russell, and Robert delpino??? Who can stop all three!

Shananahan
09-07-2015, 10:23 PM
He's actually right about Berry, pre-injury/cancer at least.

Shananahan
09-07-2015, 10:24 PM
Slowest edit ever.

LikeABoss5820
09-08-2015, 01:31 PM
He's actually right about Berry, pre-injury/cancer at least.

No he's not, Berry is great but he's not better than Kam.

LikeABoss5820
09-08-2015, 01:46 PM
You're right. Healthy Berry isn't better. Healthy Berry is MUCH better.

Kam's the best safety in football, please.

Kam is better in coverage, against the run, among many other things, its not close.

LikeABoss5820
09-08-2015, 02:02 PM
Rev also thinks PP is the best CB in football, cant take his DB takes seriously.

KCStud
09-08-2015, 02:06 PM
Berry was just as good as Earl Thomas before he got cancer. Kam is another beast though.

Haven't seen a safety like him since Sean Taylor.

Drunken.Broncoholic2
09-08-2015, 02:14 PM
Berry was just as good as Earl Thomas before he got cancer. Kam is another beast though.

Haven't seen a safety like him since Sean Taylor.




I agree with this post.

DENVERDUI55
09-08-2015, 02:15 PM
Berry was just as good as Earl Thomas before he got cancer. Kam is another beast though.

Haven't seen a safety like him since Sean Taylor.

Berry is good but hasn't ever been in Thomas's league. Kam is able to play the way he does because of Thomas. He is a great SS but would look different on another team without Thomas cleaning up behind him. Berry and Kam are different type of players.

SonOfLe-loLang
09-08-2015, 02:20 PM
Berry is good but hasn't ever been in Thomas's league. Kam is able to play the way he does because of Thomas. He is a great SS but would look different on another team without Thomas cleaning up behind him. Berry and Kam are different type of players.

I dont know much about this stuff, but i thought Berry and Kam are similar, and thomas is sorta a do it all centerfielder

DBroncos4life
09-08-2015, 02:28 PM
If Cam sits out I guess we will just have to compare the team stats of both KC and Seattle with and without their all pro safeties.

BossChief
09-08-2015, 02:56 PM
Every GM in football would disagree with that.

Kam is better at every facet of the game than Berry.

Better leader, better tackler, better in coverage, did a great job on Gronk in the SB on one leg.

Stop.

You should stop drinking.

LikeABoss5820
09-08-2015, 03:18 PM
You should stop drinking.

I dont drink and given the amount of dumb **** you say, this is irony coming from you.

Cito Pelon
09-08-2015, 04:04 PM
No doubt it's already been discussed, but Seattle's acquisition of Fred Jackson could be a killer. Dude produces. Lynch got his payday, he'll relinquish some carries to Jackson and Jackson is a dual threat back.

8300 APY and 37 TD's in 106 games, only 61 games as a starter. That's dang good for being in Buffalo his entire career. What a steal.

Shananahan
09-08-2015, 05:00 PM
I dont know much about this stuff, but i thought Berry and Kam are similar, and thomas is sorta a do it all centerfielder
I think a healthy Berry was probably capable of doing all of the things required of both Thomas and Chancellor, and doing them just as well.

Hopefully we'll never find out if he can be that good again while he's in Kansas City.

LikeABoss5820
09-08-2015, 05:12 PM
No doubt it's already been discussed, but Seattle's acquisition of Fred Jackson could be a killer. Dude produces. Lynch got his payday, he'll relinquish some carries to Jackson and Jackson is a dual threat back.

8300 APY and 37 TD's in 106 games, only 61 games as a starter. That's dang good for being in Buffalo his entire career. What a steal.

I dont think it has actually but yes, certainly a good move for them.

TonyR
09-08-2015, 05:29 PM
No doubt it's already been discussed, but Seattle's acquisition of Fred Jackson could be a killer. Dude produces. Lynch got his payday, he'll relinquish some carries to Jackson and Jackson is a dual threat back.

8300 APY and 37 TD's in 106 games, only 61 games as a starter. That's dang good for being in Buffalo his entire career. What a steal.

Eh. 34 year old RB who hasn't done much the last few years. I guess he might be a good guy to share some carries, but I don't think he's much of a game changer at this point. It is interesting that the Pats also contacted him when he was released.

BossChief
09-08-2015, 05:37 PM
Jackson is a ****ing stud. Excellent player.

For one year, I'd probably take him over Knile Davis.

Shananahan
09-08-2015, 05:40 PM
I'm starting to think you're just the best gimmick ever.

BroncosfanGuy
09-08-2015, 05:43 PM
Kam's the best safety in football, please.

Kam is better in coverage, against the run, among many other things, its not close.

no, he's not even the best S on his own team. and a healthy Berry is better S than Kam

Cito Pelon
09-08-2015, 05:45 PM
Eh. 34 year old RB who hasn't done much the last few years. I guess he might be a good guy to share some carries, but I don't think he's much of a game changer at this point. It is interesting that the Pats also contacted him when he was released.

I'm thinking Jackson and Lynch have about 500 touches left in them, and they're both good backs if used in tandem. Better than Micheal and Lynch, or Turbin and Lynch. We shall see.

DBroncos4life
09-08-2015, 05:49 PM
no, he's not even the best S on his own team. and a healthy Berry is better S than Kam

Just curious, how did you grade this to come out with that outcome?

BroncosfanGuy
09-08-2015, 05:53 PM
Just curious, how did you grade this to come out with that outcome?

watching film on Johns Gruden's inflatable mattress whilst eating 3-day-old Chinese Food.

probably interned with the Grudes while you were banned from the OM so no biggie you didn't hear about it.

AWOOOOOOOOO!

BossChief
09-08-2015, 06:00 PM
Just curious, how did you grade this to come out with that outcome?

Some people, you know...watch football.

Berry plays box safety
Single high
Corner
Locks down TEs

He does a lot more than Kam does....and can do a lot more than asked of him, as well.

DBroncos4life
09-08-2015, 06:06 PM
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/08/20/chancellor-just-as-good-as-sherman-thomas/

It's just crazy the jump KC had in total pass defense missing Berry. 25th to 2nd. Makes you wonder how good Ron Parker is in this argument.

Shattuck
09-08-2015, 06:28 PM
Interesting I never thought it was even debatable that Thomas was the best free safety in the NFL and Chancellor was the best Strong safety until I came here guess I need to watch more games I only ever heard of Berry when he got cancer.

I remember last year many guys here thought Peterson was better than Sherman. Do any of you still feel that way? Just curious I thought Revis was about washed up at the start of last year so I'm no expert either.

DBroncos4life
09-08-2015, 06:36 PM
Berry is a good safety. I'm just getting hung up on how he is better than Cam and it's not even close.

69bronco
09-08-2015, 06:39 PM
Day late and probably MOON but longtime colt reggie wayne asked to be released by the pats two weeks after signing a year contract and days after final cuts were made. It's great to see players with some integrity.

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/13590229/reggie-wayne-asks-release-new-england-patriots

69bronco
09-08-2015, 06:41 PM
Interesting I never thought it was even debatable that Thomas was the best free safety in the NFL and Chancellor was the best Strong safety until I came here guess I need to watch more games I only ever heard of Berry when he got cancer.

I remember last year many guys here thought Peterson was better than Sherman. Do any of you still feel that way? Just curious I thought Revis was about washed up at the start of last year so I'm no expert either.

I agree with you on the safeties, although I really like Weddle but As far as CB's go Harris leapfrog Sherman and by default leapfrogged revis last year too according to me, most of the mane, and PFF.

BroncosfanGuy
09-08-2015, 06:46 PM
my post to DB was obviously in jest, but Thomas is the best S in the league FS or SS. His play, his contract and his coach basically echo those sentiments.

As far as Berry/Kam, I wasn't one who said it wasn't close. However, I did say a healty Berry is better and I think it's true because he's better in coverage, better deep and can still play in the box. Kam's the best in-the-box S in the league and he's good in coverage. However, I think Berry is *better* in coverage and more is required of Berry as Kam has more clearance to play a pseudo rover role over the middle of the field while Thomas is the eraser.

Both are probably top-5 S, but Berry's ability to play deep or in the box at a high level makes him more valuable imo.

Shananahan
09-08-2015, 06:50 PM
Maybe Kansas City and Seattle will find a way to swap them so we can know for sure!

Shananahan
09-08-2015, 06:51 PM
No, don't do it!

broncosteven
09-08-2015, 07:07 PM
Day late and probably MOON but longtime colt reggie wayne asked to be released by the pats two weeks after signing a year contract and days after final cuts were made. It's great to see players with some integrity.

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/13590229/reggie-wayne-asks-release-new-england-patriots

Likely probably more because he is aged and was running the wrong routes, had no steps left to lose and knew it was time to call it a career. Plus I think he still got a $450k signing bonus out of them.

Would be nice if it were because of integrity but if that were the case he wouldn't have gone there at all.

DENVERDUI55
09-08-2015, 08:09 PM
Berry or Kam is just one person's opinion. I feel Berry can do more but Kam makes a lot more big time plays in clutch situations. I personally would take Kam. Berry probably has a longer career.

DENVERDUI55
09-08-2015, 08:16 PM
I'm thinking Jackson and Lynch have about 500 touches left in them, and they're both good backs if used in tandem. Better than Micheal and Lynch, or Turbin and Lynch. We shall see.

Buffalo 2009 2.0. Jackson is a stud and a great role model for the community.

BossChief
09-09-2015, 05:32 AM
I agree with you on the safeties, although I really like Weddle but As far as CB's go Harris leapfrog Sherman and by default leapfrogged revis last year too according to me, most of the mane, and PFF.

Hahaha

Oh **** some of you guys' takes are hilarious.

Mediator12
09-09-2015, 06:19 AM
The biggest problem with using PFF as an indicator is that it simply grades execution and on an extremely subjective level. Guys like Sherman and Harris were not asked to do all the different things that Revis and Peterson were for their teams. The same applies to the safeties.

As with all these arguments, context is King and most people lack the technical knowledge of football to understand the differences. Sherman is a complete Badass playing a simple cover 3 scheme. Make him cover the Slot or follow the other teams best WR in any of the formations and his performance numbers will likely not be so impressive.

The same with the safeties. Earl Thomas range is what makes that Cover 3 in SEA so dominant. The other guys can simply trust him to cover over the top and do their jobs and be aggressive in pass coverage. Berry's scheme and players under Sutton are not set up as well to take advantage of his talents as SEA is in letting Thomas do his Job. In short, SEA has constructed a very simple Defense, not unlike the Cover 2 used to be, that has the perfect players playing the roles they excel at. The length and speed of SEA is why the are hard to beat, and they are also damn physical up front against the run. That is how a dominant defense works. They play to the strengths of the players through scheme, and cover any weaknesses with simplicity and toughness.

BossChief
09-09-2015, 06:51 AM
The biggest problem with using PFF as an indicator is that it simply grades execution and on an extremely subjective level. Guys like Sherman and Harris were not asked to do all the different things that Revis and Peterson were for their teams. The same applies to the safeties.

As with all these arguments, context is King and most people lack the technical knowledge of football to understand the differences. Sherman is a complete Badass playing a simple cover 3 scheme. Make him cover the Slot or follow the other teams best WR in any of the formations and his performance numbers will likely not be so impressive.

The same with the safeties. Earl Thomas range is what makes that Cover 3 in SEA so dominant. The other guys can simply trust him to cover over the top and do their jobs and be aggressive in pass coverage. Berry's scheme and players under Sutton are not set up as well to take advantage of his talents as SEA is in letting Thomas do his Job. In short, SEA has constructed a very simple Defense, not unlike the Cover 2 used to be, that has the perfect players playing the roles they excel at. The length and speed of SEA is why the are hard to beat, and they are also damn physical up front against the run. That is how a dominant defense works. They play to the strengths of the players through scheme, and cover any weaknesses with simplicity and toughness.

Totally agree on Berry.

I dispise the fact they have used him mostly as a box safety.

He should have been used as a physical FS like Brian Dawkins in Philly/Denver was.

By using him the way they have, they totally neutralized his 4.4 speed, open field tackling ability and his opportunities to take the ball away.

I'll always say that Eric Berrys career was sent on a ban path once Monte Kiffen took over the defense at Tennesseee and made Berry a box safety when he was an unbelievable playmaker until that point.

Gutless Drunk
09-09-2015, 07:34 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Falcons have added G Ben Garland to the practice squad. Garland served two years in the Air Force before NFL: <a href="http://t.co/s3Ls8UUeLn">http://t.co/s3Ls8UUeLn</a></p>&mdash; Atlanta Falcons (@AtlantaFalcons) <a href="https://twitter.com/AtlantaFalcons/status/641615469460353025">September 9, 2015</a></blockquote>
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BossChief
09-09-2015, 07:45 AM
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/08/20/chancellor-just-as-good-as-sherman-thomas/

It's just crazy the jump KC had in total pass defense missing Berry. 25th to 2nd. Makes you wonder how good Ron Parker is in this argument.

Parker is damn good in his SHS role. 4.3 speed and excellent instincts paired with our pass rush made teams reluctant to throw deep on us.

He's a terrible tackler, though...for a safety.

bowtown
09-09-2015, 08:21 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Falcons have added G Ben Garland to the practice squad. Garland served two years in the Air Force before NFL: <a href="http://t.co/s3Ls8UUeLn">http://t.co/s3Ls8UUeLn</a></p>&mdash; Atlanta Falcons (@AtlantaFalcons) <a href="https://twitter.com/AtlantaFalcons/status/641615469460353025">September 9, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Good for Ben. Ride her till she bucks.

Rohirrim
09-09-2015, 08:29 AM
The biggest problem with using PFF as an indicator is that it simply grades execution and on an extremely subjective level. Guys like Sherman and Harris were not asked to do all the different things that Revis and Peterson were for their teams. The same applies to the safeties.

As with all these arguments, context is King and most people lack the technical knowledge of football to understand the differences. Sherman is a complete Badass playing a simple cover 3 scheme. Make him cover the Slot or follow the other teams best WR in any of the formations and his performance numbers will likely not be so impressive.

The same with the safeties. Earl Thomas range is what makes that Cover 3 in SEA so dominant. The other guys can simply trust him to cover over the top and do their jobs and be aggressive in pass coverage. Berry's scheme and players under Sutton are not set up as well to take advantage of his talents as SEA is in letting Thomas do his Job. In short, SEA has constructed a very simple Defense, not unlike the Cover 2 used to be, that has the perfect players playing the roles they excel at. The length and speed of SEA is why the are hard to beat, and they are also damn physical up front against the run. That is how a dominant defense works. They play to the strengths of the players through scheme, and cover any weaknesses with simplicity and toughness.

Sometimes, it almost seems as if Pete Carroll knows what he's doing. :puff:

BossChief
09-09-2015, 08:33 AM
Sometimes, it almost seems as if Pete Carroll knows what he's doing. :puff:

And he traded a 5th rounder for our 6th best safety and then signed one of our CBS to his practice squad.

DBroncos4life
09-09-2015, 08:59 AM
Of course Parker runs a 4.3. He plays for the queefs.

Shananahan
09-09-2015, 09:02 AM
And he traded a 5th rounder for our 6th best safety and then signed one of our CBS to his practice squad.
How many times has this happened now?

BossChief
09-09-2015, 09:20 AM
How many times has this happened now?

5 or 6, he's pretty good

ludo21
09-09-2015, 10:58 AM
http://www.nbcsports.com/video/shanahan-hired-professionals-sweep-locker-rooms-bugs?utm_network=twitter&utm_post=4215329&utm_source=TW%20%40SNFonNBC&utm_tags=srm[football%2Carticle]

Drunken.Broncoholic2
09-09-2015, 11:10 AM
This used to be a good thread.

broncosteven
09-09-2015, 11:21 AM
This used to be a good thread.

Agreed, I am going to do my best to only feed the troll in the kFc sucks thread in an effort to get this and other Bronco threads back on topic.

IndelibleScribe
09-09-2015, 11:24 AM
It will be interesting to watch how the Seahawks defense plays this season. Bailey subbing in for Kam is a huge difference and Sherman playing with another new CB partner should be intriguing to watch.

BossChief
09-09-2015, 11:59 AM
It will be interesting to watch how the Seahawks defense plays this season. Bailey subbing in for Kam is a huge difference and Sherman playing with another new CB partner should be intriguing to watch.

I bet McCray will start for them over Dion.

IndelibleScribe
09-09-2015, 12:06 PM
I bet McCray will start for them over Dion.

Carroll already announced that Bailey was starting the season opener for Kam if he doesn't come back to the team.
He may start moving forward but not the opener.

Gutless Drunk
09-09-2015, 02:07 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Patriots?src=hash">#Patriots</a> place C Bryan Stork (concussion) on IR-designated to return. Means he can't practice for 6 weeks or play for 8 weeks. Oof</p>&mdash; Ben Volin (@BenVolin) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenVolin/status/641717264631353344">September 9, 2015</a></blockquote>
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bowtown
09-09-2015, 02:21 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Patriots?src=hash">#Patriots</a> place C Bryan Stork (concussion) on IR-designated to return. Means he can't practice for 6 weeks or play for 8 weeks. Oof</p>&mdash; Ben Volin (@BenVolin) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenVolin/status/641717264631353344">September 9, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Don't worry, he'll still be available for closed-door practices.

baja
09-09-2015, 03:05 PM
And he traded a 5th rounder for our 6th best safety and then signed one of our CBS to his practice squad.

Really dude who gives a shiit what your team is doing. Do you really need to talk Chiefs football on every Bronco thread. Do you not realise we only mention the Chiefs on the Chiefs Suck thread? Limit your Chiefs discussion to that thread would ya.

DrOrangeLove
09-09-2015, 03:10 PM
Really dude who gives a shiit what your team is doing. Do you really need to talk Chiefs football on every Bronco thread. Do you not realise we only mention the Chiefs on the Chiefs Suck thread? Limit your Chiefs discussion to that thread would ya.

You're a pissed black mom yelling at her 3 year old sperg right now. Remember this rhodes scholar spends an inordinate amount of time on another team's message board. I'm SURE he's a huge hit at cocktail parties...

Rohirrim
09-09-2015, 03:13 PM
You're a pissed black mom yelling at her 3 year old sperg right now. Remember this rhodes scholar spends an inordinate amount of time on another team's message board. I'm SURE he's a huge hit at cocktail parties...

Do they still have cocktail parties?

I imagine in Camaroland they pass around the Keystone.

Shananahan
09-09-2015, 03:58 PM
5 or 6, he's pretty good
And you felt the need to post about it twice each time.

I see.

DBroncos4life
09-09-2015, 04:11 PM
And you felt the need to post about it twice each time.

I see.

You should see the number 3 guy! 4.3 40 could start on any other team in the NFL.

69bronco
09-09-2015, 04:30 PM
Funny stuff in this link, I only read the patriots, Chiefs, and Broncos but even the Broncos one sounded like it was written by a room full of mane posters.

http://deadspin.com/tag/why-your-team-sucks-2015?hipra_discussion_redesign=on&utm_expid=66866090-52.r5txldOmRkqnbJxnyozIeA.2

TonyR
09-09-2015, 05:14 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Patriots?src=hash">#Patriots</a> place C Bryan Stork (concussion) on IR-designated to return. Means he can't practice for 6 weeks or play for 8 weeks. Oof</p>&mdash; Ben Volin (@BenVolin) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenVolin/status/641717264631353344">September 9, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Wow. Didn't they lose at least one other O-lineman from last year as well, or no?

broncocalijohn
09-09-2015, 05:20 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Patriots?src=hash">#Patriots</a> place C Bryan Stork (concussion) on IR-designated to return. Means he can't practice for 6 weeks or play for 8 weeks. Oof</p>&mdash; Ben Volin (@BenVolin) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenVolin/status/641717264631353344">September 9, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Belicheat will still list him as probable each week.

Shananahan
09-09-2015, 06:45 PM
Really dude who gives a shiit what your team is doing. Do you really need to talk Chiefs football on every Bronco thread. Do you not realise we only mention the Chiefs on the Chiefs Suck thread? Limit your Chiefs discussion to that thread would ya.
Define 'limit'.

KC traded their 6th best safety to SEATTLE for a 5th round pick.

Nice move by KC.
The HILARIOUS part about KC getting SEATTLES 5th in that trade:

In 2013, KC claimed Rishaw Johnson from Seattle

Last offseason, we traded Johnson to TB for Kelcy McCray

Now, we take Kelcy McCray and trade him to SEATTLE for a 5th rounder.

That's how to make a 5th round pick out of thin air...BALLIN ASS GM.
We traded our 6th best safety to Seattle for a 5th. Our secondary will be one of the best in the NFL...if not the best (if Chancellor gets traded to NY)
Math, much?


We kept 5 safeties and traded our 6th, who will probably start for Seattle.

Our defense is so ****ing loaded.
Eric Berry
Tyvon Branch
Hussein Abdullah
Ron Parker
Sorensen (who we might trade)

Kelce McCray wouldn't have even made our team and we traded him for a 5th rounder to Seattle, where he may start if They can't figure something out for Chancelor.

We were the leagues 2nd best pass defense last year
We didn't allow a single 300 yard passer all year
We were second in big plays allowed

From that group of safeties, we add Eric Berry and Tyvon Branch.
Seattle already traded a 5th to us for a safety that wouldn't have even made the team.
Oh yeah?

In 2013 cut downs, we claimed Rishaw Johnson from Seattle.

Last year, we traded Rishaw Johnson to TB for Kelcie McCray.

We traded Kealcie McCray to Seattle for a 5th round pick because we were 6 deep at safety.

Dorsey clowned Seattle in these dealings.
They were both drafted in 2010 and Berry is the only one to have been first team allpro while also making 3 trips to the pro bowl and starting in 2 of them.

The only years he didn't make the pro bowl were when he lost the year to ACL and last year partly to cancer.

It's not homer talk to say I'd rather have Berry and Branch than Kam Chancelor.

****, Seattle just traded us a 5th for our 6th best safety...

Gutless Drunk
09-10-2015, 07:16 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bills signed Marcel Dareus to a six-year, $108 million extension, per source.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/641978266669203456">September 10, 2015</a></blockquote>
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69bronco
09-10-2015, 07:22 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bills signed Marcel Dareus to a six-year, $108 million extension, per source.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/641978266669203456">September 10, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Your move elway, the earlier the cheaper.

oubronco
09-10-2015, 07:23 AM
Jason La Canfora ‏<S abp="470">@</S>JasonLaCanfora <SMALL class=time abp="472">24s24 seconds ago (https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/641980163463479296) </SMALL>
Bills paying up massively to retain Macell Dareus. I'm hearing the 6-year deal includes $65M in injury guarantees and $25M signing bonus...

Gutless Drunk
09-10-2015, 07:23 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Marcel Dareus' deal includes $60 million in guaranteed money, highest guarantee for a non-QB in NFL history. Dareus suspended week 1, too.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/641979939374432256">September 10, 2015</a></blockquote>
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bronco militia
09-10-2015, 07:28 AM
Your move elway, the earlier the cheaper.

well yeah, but not every negotiation can be like Chris Harris either. Von is going to wait until the very last minute next July.

Old Dude
09-10-2015, 07:32 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Marcel Dareus' deal includes $60 million in guaranteed money, highest guarantee for a non-QB in NFL history. Dareus suspended week 1, too.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/641979939374432256">September 10, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Dat's a lotta moolah.

baja
09-10-2015, 07:38 AM
Dat's a lotta moolah.

How the hell do you get up for football when you got 60 mil in the bank. You can't buy a new brain.

BossChief
09-10-2015, 08:14 AM
Really dude who gives a shiit what your team is doing. Do you really need to talk Chiefs football on every Bronco thread. Do you not realise we only mention the Chiefs on the Chiefs Suck thread? Limit your Chiefs discussion to that thread would ya.

This is the "around the NFL" thread, right? BTW people even whined in the Chiefs thread about me posting Chiefs stuff there. If posters don't want to read my posts, put me on ignore or just gloss over them.

I'll say this, the more people take personal shots at me, the less I care what threads I share my thoughts in.

TonyR
09-10-2015, 08:18 AM
Our friend Adam Schefter apparently predicts a Ravens/Eagles Super Bowl.

ColoradoDarin
09-10-2015, 08:22 AM
Von will get $125m.

BossChief
09-10-2015, 08:24 AM
Von will get $125m.

Not sure if he will get quite that much, but his price tag is gonna be huge after he breaks the sack record.

BossChief
09-10-2015, 08:44 AM
I've just gotten bored with the same old rehashed arguments on CP. Everything there boils down to Alex Smith blah blah blah. It's boring.

I'm sure you guys will somewhat "get rid of me" after our Thursday night matchup in a week...but it's kinda nice reading different takes on players from a different perspective.

Sorry I had to come in and screw up you guys' circle jerk and bring some objectivity to some discussions, but that's what I'm here for.

bronco militia
09-10-2015, 08:50 AM
Our friend Adam Schefter apparently predicts a Ravens/Eagles Super Bowl.

I'm just not getting the eagirls hype.....do they have a defense?

mwill07
09-10-2015, 08:54 AM
I've just gotten bored with the same old rehashed arguments on CP. Everything there boils down to Alex Smith blah blah blah. It's boring.

I'm sure you guys will somewhat "get rid of me" after our Thursday night matchup in a week...but it's kinda nice reading different takes on players from a different perspective.

Sorry I had to come in and screw up you guys' circle jerk and bring some objectivity to some discussions, but that's what I'm here for.

I don't mind opposing view points, nor the unintentional hilarity of stating things like KC having the best secondary in the league or the KC WR's are fast and therefore good.

Let me suggest footballguys.com to you. The forum is focused on fantasy football mostly, but there are fans from all 32 teams there. It gives you a real good flavor of what everyone else is thinking about.

SonOfLe-loLang
09-10-2015, 09:02 AM
I don't mind opposing view points, nor the unintentional hilarity of stating things like KC having the best secondary in the league or the KC WR's are fast and therefore good.

Let me suggest footballguys.com to you. The forum is focused on fantasy football mostly, but there are fans from all 32 teams there. It gives you a real good flavor of what everyone else is thinking about.

Bosschief is on my ignore, but i noticed the quote. I'm not even sure where to start with this.

1) He makes it sound like he came to the board to do us a favor, which is... I don't even know.
2) He hasn't been, nor will he ever, be "objective." Unless the new definition of objective is hyperbole.
3) He continues to think this place is full of broncos homers even though the opinons of the Broncos are pretty varied. Plus, it's a ****ing broncos board, so if people want to be homers, this is the place
4) No one asked or wanted his stupid ass opinion in the first place, yet he continues to roll on his back and cry victim when he's diarrhea'd all over the board. What did he expect to happen?

Shananahan
09-10-2015, 09:21 AM
He's just a very lonely and needy person who is also incapable of gauging others' interest in his opinions.

Bob 2.0

IndelibleScribe
09-10-2015, 09:23 AM
He's just a very lonely and needy person who is also incapable of gauging others' interest in his opinions.

Bob 2.0

OK, I honestly did not see that ending. I thought it would end in a Tebow or Peyton driven member name.

TonyR
09-10-2015, 09:30 AM
The Seahawks are listed at 9-2 to win the Super Bowl at the SuperBook, just ahead of the Packers at 6-1. The New England Patriots, Philadelphia Eagles and Indianapolis Colts are all 8-1. The Denver Broncos, at 9-1, round out the teams with single-digit odds at the SuperBook.http://espn.go.com/chalk/story/_/id/13622087/las-vegas-bettors-favor-seattle-seahawks-green-bay-packers-reach-super-bowl

TonyR
09-10-2015, 09:32 AM
I'm just not getting the eagirls hype.....do they have a defense?

They have a terrific front 7, but still some questions at DB. Their Super Bowl odds have now exceeded the Broncos in Vegas as you can see in my previous post.

BossChief
09-10-2015, 09:36 AM
I don't mind opposing view points, nor the unintentional hilarity of stating things like KC having the best secondary in the league or the KC WR's are fast and therefore good.

Let me suggest footballguys.com to you. The forum is focused on fantasy football mostly, but there are fans from all 32 teams there. It gives you a real good flavor of what everyone else is thinking about.

Things I've said that you guys laugh at:

*Alex Smith will have a career year...a blend between his first half of 2012 and the second half of 2013.
*We have a top 3 secondary in the NFL...possibly the best when you figure in depth
*Travis Kelce is a top 3 TE in the NFL
*Our 5cbs > Denver's top 5 cbs
*Our receivers are vastly improved from last year
*Marcus Peters is the best CB in the last 4 drafts
*Losing JT, Knighton, Clady, Ramirez , Moore and Franklin is gonna hurt.
*KC is gonna be vastly improved by adding Peters, Branch, Berry, Devito, DJ, *Maclin, Conley, Chandarick West, a healthy Wilson and Thomas are going to help win games they otherwise would have probably lost in previous years.
*The move of Eric Fisher back to the right side will help this line be better across the board than keeping him at LT and having nobody that can effectively play RT.

Did I miss anything?

SouthStndJunkie
09-10-2015, 09:39 AM
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet

Highest paid ILB in history RT @Rand_Getlin: #Panthers & Luke Kuechly have agreed to terms on a 5-year, $62M contract extension, per source

BossChief
09-10-2015, 09:45 AM
Wow...dudes a game changer in coverage and against the run, though.

Probably the best ILB in the game.

Gort
09-10-2015, 09:55 AM
Bosschief is on my ignore, but i noticed the quote. I'm not even sure where to start with this.

1) He makes it sound like he came to the board to do us a favor, which is... I don't even know.
2) He hasn't been, nor will he ever, be "objective." Unless the new definition of objective is hyperbole.
3) He continues to think this place is full of broncos homers even though the opinons of the Broncos are pretty varied. Plus, it's a ****ing broncos board, so if people want to be homers, this is the place
4) No one asked or wanted his stupid ass opinion in the first place, yet he continues to roll on his back and cry victim when he's diarrhea'd all over the board. What did he expect to happen?

my guess is he probably got kicked off a Chef's fan site and decided to make his new home here.

Shananahan
09-10-2015, 09:58 AM
Things I've said that you guys laugh at:

*Alex Smith will have a career year...a blend between his first half of 2012 and the second half of 2013.
*We have a top 3 secondary in the NFL...possibly the best when you figure in depth
*Travis Kelce is a top 3 TE in the NFL
*Our 5cbs > Denver's top 5 cbs
*Our receivers are vastly improved from last year
*Marcus Peters is the best CB in the last 4 drafts
*Losing JT, Knighton, Clady, Ramirez , Moore and Franklin is gonna hurt.
*KC is gonna be vastly improved by adding Peters, Branch, Berry, Devito, DJ, *Maclin, Conley, Chandarick West, a healthy Wilson and Thomas are going to help win games they otherwise would have probably lost in previous years.
*The move of Eric Fisher back to the right side will help this line be better across the board than keeping him at LT and having nobody that can effectively play RT.

Did I miss anything?
My problem is not that you idiotically think all of these idiotic things, my problem is that you are unable to board about those things without incessantly blathering them everywhere regardless of the context. Nobody hates you because you like the Chiefs; everyone hates you because you have zero social skills.

It's not that you're a horrible person or a bad fan or anything, you're just a terrible boarder. You talk like a fag and your ****'s all retarded.

bronco militia
09-10-2015, 10:01 AM
They have a terrific front 7, but still some questions at DB. Their Super Bowl odds have now exceeded the Broncos in Vegas as you can see in my previous post.

yeah that's fine, I just don't get it.

IndelibleScribe
09-10-2015, 10:06 AM
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet

Highest paid ILB in history RT @Rand_Getlin: #Panthers & Luke Kuechly have agreed to terms on a 5-year, $62M contract extension, per source

He is a damn stud. Worth every penny. For some reason I thought he would get more but I forgot that ILB's do not get paid a ton. Not that 62 mil is anything to sniff at.

broncocalijohn
09-10-2015, 10:08 AM
I'm just not getting the eagirls hype.....do they have a defense?

Does it matter. I am sure Chip Kelly has a statue of Don Coryell.

BossChief
09-10-2015, 10:13 AM
My problem is not that you idiotically think all of these idiotic things, my problem is that you are unable to board about those things without incessantly blathering them everywhere regardless of the context. Nobody hates you because you like the Chiefs; everyone hates you because you have zero social skills.

It's not that you're a horrible person or a bad fan or anything, you're just a terrible boarder. You talk like a fag and your ****'s all retarded.

Your problem (and most here, as well) don't watch enough football to know either way if those things are true or not. You just watch Denver games and probably haven't watched a single Chiefs game (outside of KC/Den games) in years (if ever)...so when I say Travis Kelce will be a top 3 TE in the NFL, you laugh...even though he has been one of the first TEs taken in FF this year.

Every one of those points I made are legit and anyone that actually pays attention (to the NFL in general, not just Denver games) sees it.

The problem here (the OM) over the last few years is the vocal minority have pushed the quality posters away and apart from maybe 20 posters here, the level of football talk here has gone from a high level to a bunch of casual fans that post a lot. It's sad.

Peyton Manning has turned this board into a herd of blind homers.

Drunken.Broncoholic2
09-10-2015, 10:14 AM
Boss.


I'm going to clarify it one more time.


It's not "the Chiefs thread"

It's "the Chiefs SUCK thread"


It's not a place to post Chiefs info by a Chiefs fan idiot. If you want to do that, start a "Chiefs thread".

BossChief
09-10-2015, 10:17 AM
Boss.


I'm going to clarify it one more time.


It's not "the Chiefs thread"

It's "the Chiefs SUCK thread"


It's not a place to post Chiefs info by a Chiefs fan idiot. If you want to do that, start a "Chiefs thread".

Why does your casual fan ass keep acting like you have me on ignore, but respond to my posts a few times a day?

Have fun watching your 17 football games this year!

Ragnar
09-10-2015, 10:21 AM
Why does your casual fan ass keep acting like you have me on ignore, but respond to my posts a few times a day?

Have fun watching your 17 football games this year!

One more than you get. Hilarious!

BossChief
09-10-2015, 10:21 AM
Bosschief is on my ignore, but i noticed the quote. I'm not even sure where to start with this.

1) He makes it sound like he came to the board to do us a favor, which is... I don't even know.
2) He hasn't been, nor will he ever, be "objective." Unless the new definition of objective is hyperbole.
3) He continues to think this place is full of broncos homers even though the opinons of the Broncos are pretty varied. Plus, it's a ****ing broncos board, so if people want to be homers, this is the place
4) No one asked or wanted his stupid ass opinion in the first place, yet he continues to roll on his back and cry victim when he's diarrhea'd all over the board. What did he expect to happen?

Just another p***Y that claims he has me on ignore, but responds to my posts a few times a day. Seriously, if I bother your p***Y so much, actually put me on ignore and stop responding to me.

The people that want to talk football, engage in the conversations I take part in.

If my participation takes away from your enjoyment, ignore me.

The trouble is, you guys can't.

BossChief
09-10-2015, 10:24 AM
One more than you get. Hilarious!

Hey, anything is possible.

Like I've said, I'll be happy if we make the wildcard and win the wildcard game.

Gotta get that monkey off our back.

I genuinely think this is the year that happens and I haven't said that since 2005.

BossChief
09-10-2015, 10:26 AM
Let me also say, I GENUINELY hope Osweiler is good.

The AFCW games are a lot more interesting to watch when all 4 teams are good.

Ragnar
09-10-2015, 10:28 AM
Let me also say, I GENUINELY hope Osweiler is good.

The AFCW games are a lot more interesting to watch when all 4 teams are good.

Gonna give you rep for this one.

Shananahan
09-10-2015, 10:40 AM
Your problem (and most here, as well) don't watch enough football to know either way if those things are true or not. You just watch Denver games and probably haven't watched a single Chiefs game (outside of KC/Den games) in years (if ever)...so when I say Travis Kelce will be a top 3 TE in the NFL, you laugh...even though he has been one of the first TEs taken in FF this year.

Every one of those points I made are legit and anyone that actually pays attention (to the NFL in general, not just Denver games) sees it.
Throwing around assumptions about the validity of my football knowledge doesn't actually address the point I was making.

I thought you wanted discourse?

Shananahan
09-10-2015, 10:42 AM
And I laughed when you said Kelce was legit, because he's not, yet.

BossChief
09-10-2015, 10:42 AM
With how other sports are based on guaranteed contracts and all the concussion hoopla in the NFL (even before the movie comes out) paired with contracts are not guaranteed, the days of monster QB classes that have happened in the past are going to be few and far between.

The arm talents are going to baseball and the super athletes are going to basketball.

If Aaron Murray (or a future pick), Rivers, Carr and Brock Osweiler can prove to be quality starters, it's gonna make the AFCW fun to watch going forward.

Shananahan
09-10-2015, 10:47 AM
http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/5604924.png

Ooooh, tell us about these shots.

Mediator12
09-10-2015, 10:50 AM
Your problem (and most here, as well) don't watch enough football to know either way if those things are true or not. You just watch Denver games and probably haven't watched a single Chiefs game (outside of KC/Den games) in years (if ever)...so when I say Travis Kelce will be a top 3 TE in the NFL, you laugh...even though he has been one of the first TEs taken in FF this year.

Every one of those points I made are legit and anyone that actually pays attention (to the NFL in general, not just Denver games) sees it.

The problem here (the OM) over the last few years is the vocal minority have pushed the quality posters away and apart from maybe 20 posters here, the level of football talk here has gone from a high level to a bunch of casual fans that post a lot. It's sad.

Peyton Manning has turned this board into a herd of blind homers.

This is not even close to true, but it is kind of funny to hear a chiefs fan say this!

Plenty of solid football people here and I guarantee I watch more games than anyone on this board who posts regularly. Last year was the first I did not see every single NFL game played in 5 years. I missed a bunch of uninteresting games last year off of Game Replay, because I simply did not have enough time in the day.

As to your assertions, many are wishful thinking and unproven in any way. That is what predictions are and its ok to be assertive with predictions, but they are still predictions. Things I have an issue with from your list:

1. Alex Smith will have a career year. Ok, that is not saying much is it? Dude has been the definition of Average as an NFL QB for a decade. Even if he has a career year it does not guarantee KC wins. You have to see how the rest of the team, health, and game planning affect your games.

2. Your secondary is pretty talented, but not consistent and has not played together yet. You are not returning the legion of boom, you are playing a lot of unproven young CB's who generally take a few years to gel in the NFL. We do not know if Berry is 100% or not yet either.

3. Travis Kelce is a good TE, but TE's come and go in this league and to anoint him a top 3 is to be optimistic at the best. He might post top 3 fantasy numbers in a PPR league, but hell no KC WR caught a TD last year either Hilarious!

4. You did bring in 1 legit WR in Maclin. He has a proven NFL pedigree which does make you a lot better at WR. However, WR is perhaps the most inconsistent position to evaluate behind QB in the NFL based on scheme and route running ability. The rest of your guys are below average NFL WR's until proven otherwise.

5. Marcus Peters is NOWHERE near being the best CB coming out in the last 4 years. I am a major Draftnik and I know people who really do evaluate these guys. He has not been in that conversation because he hated the fact he had to be a team player at Washington and could not play the game exactly how he wanted as a press man every down kind of player. He is severely limited in his mental makeup and even though he breathes physical talent, that is not what makes an Elite NFL CB, its mental preparation and he has never shown the ability to do that. Could he be a great NFL CB? Sure, but he better grow up faster than he did in college.

6. Depth is always a concern for many teams, but every team has a plan each year on how to address that. KC gets a bunch of players back from injury, but they are injury prone just like everyone else. No one knows how injuries are going to affect a season. What if Houston gets hurt? What if Maclin does (he has a long injury history going back to HS). Those are arguments after the season, not before.

7. Eric Fisher has been an enigma. He might have been overdrafted on potential alone, but no one thought he was a RT coming out of Central MICH. They all thought he could be an elite Foot athlete to cover the QB's blind side. So far, he has not adapted to the speed of play at the NFL level and he is being demoted to RT because he needs help in pass protection. It might be the best coaching move for KC right now, but it is a huge waste of a draft pick to move a third year 1st overall pick to RT.

The basis of your core arguments is just conjecture and wishful thinking and people here realize you want to paint the best picture possible of what the Chiefs are currently. However, its simply too unproven and subjective to take seriously.

BossChief
09-10-2015, 10:54 AM
And I laughed when you said Kelce was legit, because he's not, yet.

How isn't he?

He was graded on you guys' holy grail site (pff, which is nothing more than regular fans watching games and "grading" the players based on results without having any knowledge of assignments) Kelce was very highly rated.

Here's an excerpt about him from them...

Kelce was one of the most impressive tight ends in the league in 2014, finishing second only to Rob Gronkowski in terms of Yards per Route Run (2.26), and fourth overall in our tight end rankings. Heís proved particularly strong after the catch (17 forced missed tackles) in an offense that might look to make life easier for him with some legit receiving options on the outside via free agency or the draft.

He lead all tight ends of the last 3 years in yards after contact
He was second highest rated blocking tight end

How isn't he legit?

If he played in Denver, he might have had 15tds

Drunken.Broncoholic2
09-10-2015, 10:55 AM
One more than you get. Hilarious!



Cause people quote your posts Boss. That was a response from the quote in Revs post. . I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt that you weren't some CP homer. That went out the window the moment you compared your LB to ****ing Patrick Willis. You're just a troll much like DontbeMessin. There's some good Chiefs fans who post here. You ain't one of them.


Also, Lmao thinking Med doesn't watch football.

Shananahan
09-10-2015, 10:58 AM
How isn't he legit?
Because he only has 11 starts to his name and all of them were on a terrible passing team that refused to utilize the wide receiver position.

Legitimately talented? Yeah. Legit? No.

DENVERDUI55
09-10-2015, 11:06 AM
With how other sports are based on guaranteed contracts and all the concussion hoopla in the NFL (even before the movie comes out) paired with contracts are not guaranteed, the days of monster QB classes that have happened in the past are going to be few and far between.

The arm talents are going to baseball and the super athletes are going to basketball.

If Aaron Murray (or a future pick), Rivers, Carr and Brock Osweiler can prove to be quality starters, it's gonna make the AFCW fun to watch going forward.
I remember KC fans saying same thing about Russell, Cutler and Croyle.

DBroncos4life
09-10-2015, 11:11 AM
Med KC will be fine if Houston gets hurt. Dee Ford leads the NFL in sacks called back due to penalties.

bronco militia
09-10-2015, 11:11 AM
Med KC will be fine if Houston gets hurt. Dee Ford leads the NFL in sacks called back due to penalties.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

ColoradoDarin
09-10-2015, 11:16 AM
My problem is not that you idiotically think all of these idiotic things, my problem is that you are unable to board about those things without incessantly blathering them everywhere regardless of the context. Nobody hates you because you like the Chiefs; everyone hates you because you have zero social skills.

It's not that you're a horrible person or a bad fan or anything, you're just a terrible boarder. You talk like a fag and your ****'s all retarded.

I didn't know you were a doctor?

BossChief
09-10-2015, 11:18 AM
This is not even close to true, but it is kind of funny to hear a chiefs fan say this!

Plenty of solid football people here and I guarantee I watch more games than anyone on this board who posts regularly. Last year was the first I did not see every single NFL game played in 5 years. I missed a bunch of uninteresting games last year off of Game Replay, because I simply did not have enough time in the day.

As to your assertions, many are wishful thinking and unproven in any way. That is what predictions are and its ok to be assertive with predictions, but they are still predictions. Things I have an issue with from your list:

1. Alex Smith will have a career year. Ok, that is not saying much is it? Dude has been the definition of Average as an NFL QB for a decade. Even if he has a career year it does not guarantee KC wins. You have to see how the rest of the team, health, and game planning affect your games.

2. Your secondary is pretty talented, but not consistent and has not played together yet. You are not returning the legion of boom, you are playing a lot of unproven young CB's who generally take a few years to gel in the NFL. We do not know if Berry is 100% or not yet either.

3. Travis Kelce is a good TE, but TE's come and go in this league and to anoint him a top 3 is to be optimistic at the best. He might post top 3 fantasy numbers in a PPR league, but hell no KC WR caught a TD last year either Hilarious!

4. You did bring in 1 legit WR in Maclin. He has a proven NFL pedigree which does make you a lot better at WR. However, WR is perhaps the most inconsistent position to evaluate behind QB in the NFL based on scheme and route running ability. The rest of your guys are below average NFL WR's until proven otherwise.

5. Marcus Peters is NOWHERE near being the best CB coming out in the last 4 years. I am a major Draftnik and I know people who really do evaluate these guys. He has not been in that conversation because he hated the fact he had to be a team player at Washington and could not play the game exactly how he wanted as a press man every down kind of player. He is severely limited in his mental makeup and even though he breathes physical talent, that is not what makes an Elite NFL CB, its mental preparation and he has never shown the ability to do that. Could he be a great NFL CB? Sure, but he better grow up faster than he did in college.

6. Depth is always a concern for many teams, but every team has a plan each year on how to address that. KC gets a bunch of players back from injury, but they are injury prone just like everyone else. No one knows how injuries are going to affect a season. What if Houston gets hurt? What if Maclin does (he has a long injury history going back to HS). Those are arguments after the season, not before.

7. Eric Fisher has been an enigma. He might have been overdrafted on potential alone, but no one thought he was a RT coming out of Central MICH. They all thought he could be an elite Foot athlete to cover the QB's blind side. So far, he has not adapted to the speed of play at the NFL level and he is being demoted to RT because he needs help in pass protection. It might be the best coaching move for KC right now, but it is a huge waste of a draft pick to move a third year 1st overall pick to RT.

The basis of your core arguments is just conjecture and wishful thinking and people here realize you want to paint the best picture possible of what the Chiefs are currently. However, its simply too unproven and subjective to take seriously.

1) I worded it that way because I don't think Alex is a very good QB....I even outlined what I think should be expected from him (first 8 games of 2012, last 8 games of 2013...I'll try to run those numbers llater to gauge my statistical expectations.

2) take a look at even the legion of boom secondary after it's been plucked over the last few years, they are picking up our scraps this offseason. Trading for McCray and signing another corner we let go. Take our secondary and list me 3 better ones from 1-10. It's not going to be easy. We had the #2 pass defense last year prior to a bunch of significant upgrades.

3) see my post on Kelceca few minutes ago.

4) pretty much agree, but Thomas and Wilson did show big time promise towards the end of last season, Avant was (sad as this may sound) our second best WR last year after we picked him up after being cut by Carolina..now we have 3 or 4 guys that are better...according to coaches and the depth chart. We don't have DT and Sanders, but we have a respectable receiving corps again and that's huge.

5) the comment about Peters wasn't my comment, I was just the messenger...the comment came from either Dick Lebeau or Dom Capers through a text to Dorsey right after the pick...and it wasn't just the best corner, it was the best DB. We have draft niks, too (I've drafted in the CP mock since 2010 and have a nice track record, go look if you'd like) and Peters was the unanimous choice for who we wanted on CP. when he was our pick, the place blew up like it did when we picked Berry at 5. He's going to be very good.

6) we have very few spots that we don't have considerable depth at, throughout the roster. Lots of starters from last year are now depth with starting experience. The fact that we had 5 or 6 guys signed to other teams after cut downs speaks volumes to our teams depth.

7) Fisher was moved not so much for his inability to play LT, but the facts that he was outplayed at LT by our 2012 third rounder Donald Stephenson and the team had nobody that can effectively play RT besides him with a run of 3 DpOTY candidates in weeks 1-3 that all line up over the RT, or to his outside shoulder. If Donald Stephensin could play RT, Fisher would still be the LT in KC.

BossChief
09-10-2015, 11:21 AM
Cause people quote your posts Boss. That was a response from the quote in Revs post. . I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt that you weren't some CP homer. That went out the window the moment you compared your LB to ****ing Patrick Willis. You're just a troll much like DontbeMessin. There's some good Chiefs fans who post here. You ain't one of them.


Also, Lmao thinking Med doesn't watch football.

I've said over and over that the DJ line was a homer counter shot to you guys' consistent pumping of Chris Harris as the best corner in football.

"Well, if Chris Harris is the best CB in the NFL I guess DJ coming off a season long injury is equal to Patruck Willis"..was the basis of that post.

Shananahan
09-10-2015, 11:21 AM
Oooooh yeah, get some draft advice from him, Med!

DENVERDUI55
09-10-2015, 11:22 AM
1) I worded it that way because I don't think Alex is a very good QB....I even outlined what I think should be expected from him (first 8 games of 2012, last 8 games of 2013...I'll try to run those numbers llater to gauge my statistical expectations.

2) take a look at even the legion of boom secondary after it's been plucked over the last few years, they are picking up our scraps this offseason. Trading for McCray and signing another corner we let go. Take our secondary and list me 3 better ones from 1-10. It's not going to be easy. We had the #2 pass defense last year prior to a bunch of significant upgrades.

3) see my post on Kelceca few minutes ago.

4) pretty much agree, but Thomas and Wilson did show big time promise towards the end of last season, Avant was (sad as this may sound) our second best WR last year after we picked him up after being cut by Carolina..now we have 3 or 4 guys that are better...according to coaches and the depth chart. We don't have DT and Sanders, but we have a respectable receiving corps again and that's huge.

5) the comment about Peters wasn't my comment, I was just the messenger...the comment came from either Dick Lebeau or Dom Capers through a text to Dorsey right after the pick...and it wasn't just the best corner, it was the best DB. We have draft niks, too (I've drafted in the CP mock since 2010 and have a nice track record, go look if you'd like) and Peters was the unanimous choice for who we wanted on CP. when he was our pick, the place blew up like it did when we picked Berry at 5. He's going to be very good.

6) we have very few spots that we don't have considerable depth at, throughout the roster. Lots of starters from last year are now depth with starting experience. The fact that we had 5 or 6 guys signed to other teams after cut downs speaks volumes to our teams depth.

7) Fisher was moved not so much for his inability to play LT, but the facts that he was outplayed at LT by our 2012 third rounder Donald Stephenson and the team had nobody that can effectively play RT besides him with a run of 3 DpOTY candidates in weeks 1-3 that all line up over the RT, or to his outside shoulder. If Donald Stephensin could play RT, Fisher would still be the LT in KC.
Take Med's post over the queefs planet for us all to enjoy. He has forgot more about football than you have ever known. His post was spot on about the queefs.

IndelibleScribe
09-10-2015, 11:26 AM
Shanahan, I feel as if you are attempting to reach out to us and tell us something important.
It's ok to share you feelings, we are here for you. This anger you have bottled up inside you is normal, we now have to find the proper way to channel it into something constructive.

But for real though, keep snapping. This is wildly entertaining.

BossChief
09-10-2015, 11:27 AM
Because he only has 11 starts to his name and all of them were on a terrible passing team that refused to utilize the wide receiver position.

Legitimately talented? Yeah. Legit? No.

Dwayne Bowe was our most targeted offensive player, actually....

It wasn't a case of refusing to get the ball to the WRs, it was that the WRs were terrible and most of them aren't even in the league anymore.

Bowe only found one team interested in him in FA -the Browns- and he's not even listed as a starter there, last I checked.

Donnie Avery is still a FA that nobody wants

Junior Hemmingway is still a FA that nobody wants

AJ Jenkins is a FA nobody wants

oubronco
09-10-2015, 11:28 AM
http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1945579/MorenoInfantryCrawl1stDownChiefs.gif (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAcQjRxqFQoTCLHni_uL7ccCFYPNgAodF1oDjw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sbnation.com%2Fnfl%2F2013%2F1 2%2F1%2F5164476%2Fknowshon-moreno-cries-crawls-during-broncos-chiefs-is-the-best&psig=AFQjCNHnaPpc92fSSC_ZzxjbNienbri3bA&ust=1441996027686334)

Shananahan
09-10-2015, 11:28 AM
Dwayne Bowe was our most targeted offensive player, actually....

It wasn't a case of refusing to get the ball to the WRs, it was that the WRs were terrible and most of them aren't even in the league anymore.

Bowe only found one team interested in him in FA -the Browns- and he's not even listed as a starter there, last I checked.

Donnie Avery is still a FA that nobody wants

Junior Hemmingway is still a FA that nobody wants

AJ Jenkins is a FA nobody wants
Well I don't care about any of that, though. None of that makes Kelce legit now.

BossChief
09-10-2015, 11:29 AM
Med KC will be fine if Houston gets hurt. Dee Ford leads the NFL in sacks called back due to penalties.

Nobody said that.

Houston is the most important player on our defense.

Look at the second half of 2013 (when he hurt his elbow) to see his impact on the d.

IMO Ford is a ROLB strictly...until he learns how to attack the run a lot better than he does.

oubronco
09-10-2015, 11:30 AM
http://i.imgur.com/8Zcgx.gif (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAcQjRxqFQoTCJ_D9JqM7ccCFYyNDQodaz4CQw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chiefsplanet.com%2Fbb%2Fshowt hread.php%3Ft%3D261629&psig=AFQjCNHnaPpc92fSSC_ZzxjbNienbri3bA&ust=1441996027686334)

Beantown Bronco
09-10-2015, 11:32 AM
http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1945579/MorenoInfantryCrawl1stDownChiefs.gif (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAcQjRxqFQoTCLHni_uL7ccCFYPNgAodF1oDjw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sbnation.com%2Fnfl%2F2013%2F1 2%2F1%2F5164476%2Fknowshon-moreno-cries-crawls-during-broncos-chiefs-is-the-best&psig=AFQjCNHnaPpc92fSSC_ZzxjbNienbri3bA&ust=1441996027686334)

One of my favorites. I remember laughing hysterically when that happened.

BossChief
09-10-2015, 11:33 AM
Well I don't care about any of that, though. None of that makes Kelce legit now.

That's because you're a casual fan.

oubronco
09-10-2015, 11:34 AM
Tired of getting burnt

http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2013/11/18/WElkerDown.gif (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAcQjRxqFQoTCLuR4KyN7ccCFcnSgAodbm8PEQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Farticles%2F1 854675-broncos-wes-welker-gets-shoved-down-by-chiefs-brandon-flowers&psig=AFQjCNHnaPpc92fSSC_ZzxjbNienbri3bA&ust=1441996027686334)

ColoradoDarin
09-10-2015, 11:37 AM
Remember when the chief fans were all about Moeaki being the next big thing in TEs?

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/1627341/moeaki-meets-mays-o.gif

Good times. Good times.

BossChief
09-10-2015, 11:38 AM
Oooooh yeah, get some draft advice from him, Med!

I've always respected Meds takes...but I'd take the word of Dom Capers or Dick Lebeau over his anytime.

Those guys sit down and watch every snap of a certain player and know everything about him on and off the field.

Tombstone RJ
09-10-2015, 11:40 AM
That's because you're a casual fan.

No, that's because Kelce's stats are nothing special. Everyone here thought J. Thomas was good but none of us knew if he really was legit until his 3rd year because he hadn't done anything substantial up to then. Kelce is kind of the same way but without the injuries. If he's legit then he'll prove it this year too.

BossChief
09-10-2015, 11:40 AM
Remember when the chief fans were all about Moeaki being the next big thing in TEs?

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/1627341/moeaki-meets-mays-o.gif

Good times. Good times.

He's always been good, when he's on the field.

I actually know Tony, as we have mutual friends, and his problem is that he can't shake the injury bug.

Stay classy by posting a cheap shot H2H shot, though.

BossChief
09-10-2015, 11:42 AM
No, that's because Kelce's stats are nothing special. Everyone here thought J. Thomas was good but none of us knew if he really was legit until his 3rd year because he hadn't done anything substantial up to then. Kelce is kind of the same way but without the injuries. If he's legit then he'll prove it this year too.

Except Thomas was a 1 trick pony when Kelce does everything.

If he can stay healthy, he's gonna have a huge year.

DBroncos4life
09-10-2015, 11:43 AM
This is the 2nd block that was cheap from a chiefs fan. No wonder you have issues understanding what a good OL looks like.

oubronco
09-10-2015, 11:44 AM
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socalorado
09-10-2015, 11:48 AM
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http://giant.gfycat.com/RareKaleidoscopicLacewing.gif

ColoradoDarin
09-10-2015, 11:51 AM
He's always been good, when he's on the field.

I actually know Tony, as we have mutual friends, and his problem is that he can't shake the injury bug.

Stay classy by posting a cheap shot H2H shot, though.

Do you even know how kickoffs work? Especially onsides kicks?

Don't answer, I already know you don't.

BossChief
09-10-2015, 11:54 AM
This is the 2nd block that was cheap from a chiefs fan. No wonder you have issues understanding what a good OL looks like.

That was an onside kick...

winstoncup bronco
09-10-2015, 11:55 AM
Jeez, there just isn't a shortage of highlights against that team, is there?

BossChief
09-10-2015, 12:01 PM
It's the same 5 or 6 gifs over and over.

Over the last few years, there aphave been plenty of remember able moments for Broncos fans from Chiefs games, unfortunately.

DBroncos4life
09-10-2015, 12:04 PM
You still block players on inside kicks.

Mediator12
09-10-2015, 12:10 PM
1) I worded it that way because I don't think Alex is a very good QB....I even outlined what I think should be expected from him (first 8 games of 2012, last 8 games of 2013...I'll try to run those numbers llater to gauge my statistical expectations.

Statistics do not win games, players do. Alex is not a game changer, never has been, never will be. He can be serviceable and be a decent QB, but that team is not going to dominate a team with him at QB. Even if he breaks out this year...

2) take a look at even the legion of boom secondary after it's been plucked over the last few years, they are picking up our scraps this offseason. Trading for McCray and signing another corner we let go. Take our secondary and list me 3 better ones from 1-10. It's not going to be easy. We had the #2 pass defense last year prior to a bunch of significant upgrades.

The legion of boom is not good because of the second and third CB's. they are great because the secondary only has to play their roles in coverge because the LB's can handle the underneath zones and the safeties (plural) are game changers at their roles. Sherman also closes a half of the field on his side, because he can gamble with Thomas over the top and Chancellor underneath and in the seams. KC's ONLY game changer in the secondary is Berry and he may or may not be 100% coming back.

3) see my post on Kelce a few minutes ago.

Not buying the hype. I like him as a player, but KC has to prove he can be that good after teams have tape on him now. Last years late surge was fortuitous because teams did not have enough tape and time to deny him what he wanted to do. Most NFL DC's are not able to adjust that late in the season because of personnel and time restrictions in practice. With an offseason, Kelce will be better accounted for by teams this year. They will scheme him out of some of those plays. However, he is still a quality starting TE in the NFL and a very solid dual threat. I think he is going to be great, but he has to prove it first.

4) pretty much agree, but Thomas and Wilson did show big time promise towards the end of last season, Avant was (sad as this may sound) our second best WR last year after we picked him up after being cut by Carolina..now we have 3 or 4 guys that are better...according to coaches and the depth chart. We don't have DT and Sanders, but we have a respectable receiving corps again and that's huge.

Again, thinking you are better than the complete junk KC put out there last year because its not last years guys is a fallacy. It is not proven yet than any of those guys will make the WR group better than last year. It is wishful thinking.

5) the comment about Peters wasn't my comment, I was just the messenger...the comment came from either Dick Lebeau or Dom Capers through a text to Dorsey right after the pick...and it wasn't just the best corner, it was the best DB. We have draft niks, too (I've drafted in the CP mock since 2010 and have a nice track record, go look if you'd like) and Peters was the unanimous choice for who we wanted on CP. when he was our pick, the place blew up like it did when we picked Berry at 5. He's going to be very good.

Good for KC fans, you got what you wanted! For John Dorsey to publish that text is surprising though. You do not do that at that level without permission from the guy who evaluated that player and in confidence. Personally, I spoke with a bunch of people about him and he is very talented. Yet, you missed what was said about talent. Talent does NOT make you an NFL player, skill does. Tons of uber talented CB's have failed in this league, because they can not come to grips with the details needed to succeed at this level. The reason Chris Harris is rated so high here is that everyone in the NFL missed the fact of how skilled he is as a CB. He is not the elite athlete with all the measurables of Patrick Peterson, Derrell Revis, Vontae Davis or even Aqib Talib. He is simply extremely gifted at reading players, routes, situations, and throws like Richard Sherman. You can not argue about success and he has been very successful. You are relying on unknowns and unproven talent to be your top 3. On paper you may be right, but let's wait to anoint them until they prove it first.

6) we have very few spots that we don't have considerable depth at, throughout the roster. Lots of starters from last year are now depth with starting experience. The fact that we had 5 or 6 guys signed to other teams after cut downs speaks volumes to our teams depth.

Not really. You have guys, just like everyone else. That did NOT work out too well last year did it? You do have some very good injured players back, but that is it. You did an OK job in FA, but that is unproven how it will work. If you had a playoff winning recipe with long term vets who have played for you as backups then you just might have a valid point. Until then, it is wishful thinking.

7) Fisher was moved not so much for his inability to play LT, but the facts that he was outplayed at LT by our 2012 third rounder Donald Stephenson and the team had nobody that can effectively play RT besides him with a run of 3 DpOTY candidates in weeks 1-3 that all line up over the RT, or to his outside shoulder. If Donald Stephensin could play RT, Fisher would still be the LT in KC.

Not buying this in the least. Fisher struggled in pass protection and you do not move a better LT to RT for that reason. You protect a weaker RT with shifting protections to help against said pass rushers. I have a lot more faith in Andy Reid than you do if you believe that!

Gort
09-10-2015, 12:27 PM
It's the same 5 or 6 gifs over and over.

Over the last few years, there aphave been plenty of remember able moments for Broncos fans from Chiefs games, unfortunately.

2014: @DEN 24, KC 17
2014: DEN 29, @KC 16
2013: @DEN 27, KC 17
2013: DEN 35, @KC 28
2012: DEN 17, @KC 9
2012: @DEN 38, KC 3
2011: DEN 17, @KC 10
2011: @DEN 3, KC 7

DEN is 7-1 in our past 8 games against KC, so of course there have been lots of memorable Broncos moments. :welcome:

Gutless Drunk
09-10-2015, 12:29 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Details on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Colts?src=hash">#Colts</a> LT Anthony Castonzo: Itís a 4-year extension worth $42M, sources say. Heíll get $35M over the 1st 3 years of his contract</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/642056685935136768">September 10, 2015</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

55CrushEm
09-10-2015, 12:31 PM
2014: @DEN 24, KC 17
2014: DEN 29, @KC 16
2013: @DEN 27, KC 17
2013: DEN 35, @KC 28
2012: DEN 17, @KC 9
2012: @DEN 38, KC 3
2011: DEN 17, @KC 10
2011: @DEN 3, KC 7

DEN is 7-1 in our past 8 games against KC, so of course there have been lots of memorable Broncos moments. :welcome:

No, no, no.......you mean "remember able" moments.

:rofl:

Inkana7
09-10-2015, 12:40 PM
Last year Ware treated Fisher like the childbaby tackle he is, so I cannot express how excited I am to see him attempt to block Von.

Shananahan
09-10-2015, 12:45 PM
Shanahan, I feel as if you are attempting to reach out to us and tell us something important.
It's ok to share you feelings, we are here for you. This anger you have bottled up inside you is normal, we now have to find the proper way to channel it into something constructive.

But for real though, keep snapping. This is wildly entertaining.
What?

2KBack
09-10-2015, 12:55 PM
Stay classy by posting a cheap shot H2H shot, though.

It can't be a cheap shot when they run directly at each other and hit each other. That would make it a H2H hit on both players.

Rohirrim
09-10-2015, 01:04 PM
Remember when the chief fans were all about Moeaki being the next big thing in TEs?

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/1627341/moeaki-meets-mays-o.gif

Good times. Good times.

Hard over! Heave to, matey! Batten down the hatches!

Shananahan
09-10-2015, 01:05 PM
God I love that hit so much.

Mediator12
09-10-2015, 01:53 PM
Great TEs make their big plays down the seam.

Alex won't get it that far.

Yeah, I just do not get guys like Alex. Most guys are really looking deep to short with their reads, Alex just looks short :thumbsup:

LikeABoss5820
09-10-2015, 02:01 PM
Things I've said that you guys laugh at:

*Alex Smith will have a career year...a blend between his first half of 2012 and the second half of 2013.
*We have a top 3 secondary in the NFL...possibly the best when you figure in depth
*Travis Kelce is a top 3 TE in the NFL
*Our 5cbs > Denver's top 5 cbs
*Our receivers are vastly improved from last year
*Marcus Peters is the best CB in the last 4 drafts
*Losing JT, Knighton, Clady, Ramirez , Moore and Franklin is gonna hurt.
*KC is gonna be vastly improved by adding Peters, Branch, Berry, Devito, DJ, *Maclin, Conley, Chandarick West, a healthy Wilson and Thomas are going to help win games they otherwise would have probably lost in previous years.
*The move of Eric Fisher back to the right side will help this line be better across the board than keeping him at LT and having nobody that can effectively play RT.

Did I miss anything?

Ramirez is a big loss?

Replaced by some combo of Mathis, Paradis, Garcia, seriously.

You lose all credibility with that post.

And every team loses key players, part of free agency/cap.

Yawn.

maggnus
09-10-2015, 02:03 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Giants?src=hash">#Giants</a> &amp; QB Eli Manning are finalizing a 4-year, $84M extension that could be signed tomorrow. Just a few details to hammer out.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/642080504615956480">September 10, 2015</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LikeABoss5820
09-10-2015, 02:06 PM
Kelce is a stud, and could very well be a top-3 TE.

I dont think thats crazy.

The rest of the stuff he says is mind-boggling stupid.

Gutless Drunk
09-10-2015, 02:17 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Browns?src=hash">#Browns</a> claimed RB Robert T Turbin off waivers from Seattle. They had also been looking at former <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Broncos?src=hash">#Broncos</a> RB Montee Ball.</p>&mdash; Lindsay Jones (@bylindsayhjones) <a href="https://twitter.com/bylindsayhjones/status/642083774755381248">September 10, 2015</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Gutless Drunk
09-10-2015, 02:28 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Eli Manningís $21M per year extension puts him right behind Russell Wilson and ahead of Philip Rivers. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Giants?src=hash">#Giants</a> found the sweet spot</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/642086808877056000">September 10, 2015</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

SonOfLe-loLang
09-10-2015, 02:33 PM
Kelce is a stud, and could very well be a top-3 TE.

I dont think thats crazy.

The rest of the stuff he says is mind-boggling stupid.

That might be due to a dearth of great TEs than anything.

DBroncos4life
09-10-2015, 02:42 PM
So if Virgil Green gets 5 catches and 54 yards a game. Then scores a TD every 3 he becomes an elite TE?

BroncoBeavis
09-10-2015, 02:43 PM
So if Virgil Green gets 5 catches and 54 yards a game. Then scores a TD every 3 he becomes an elite TE?

Not even.

First thrown TD from Alex qualifies you Top 5 at whatever position.

SonOfLe-loLang
09-10-2015, 02:45 PM
So if Virgil Green gets 5 catches and 54 yards a game. Then scores a TD every 3 he becomes an elite TE?

Yeah, calling Kelce top 3 anything seems entirely premature. Guys like Gronk, Graham, Olsen, Bennett have shown better. He's somewhere with that Julius, Donnell, Witten, Miller, Gates, etc. We'll see if he can seperate himself. And if he can stay healthy. Oh, and hold on to the ball.

baja
09-10-2015, 03:04 PM
This will not sit with Peyton the fact he took a pay cut and his brother just got a big raise to 21 mil. per.

Rabb
09-10-2015, 03:13 PM
This will not sit with Peyton the fact he took a pay cut and his brother just got a big raise to 21 mil. per.

What does one have to do with the other?

Gutless Drunk
09-10-2015, 03:20 PM
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Beantown Bronco
09-10-2015, 03:33 PM
Not that we didn't already know this, but Trent Dilfer is an absolute moron.

BossChief
09-10-2015, 03:45 PM
1) I worded it that way because I don't think Alex is a very good QB....I even outlined what I think should be expected from him (first 8 games of 2012, last 8 games of 2013...I'll try to run those numbers llater to gauge my statistical expectations.

Statistics do not win games, players do. Alex is not a game changer, never has been, never will be. He can be serviceable and be a decent QB, but that team is not going to dominate a team with him at QB. Even if he breaks out this year...

2) take a look at even the legion of boom secondary after it's been plucked over the last few years, they are picking up our scraps this offseason. Trading for McCray and signing another corner we let go. Take our secondary and list me 3 better ones from 1-10. It's not going to be easy. We had the #2 pass defense last year prior to a bunch of significant upgrades.

The legion of boom is not good because of the second and third CB's. they are great because the secondary only has to play their roles in coverge because the LB's can handle the underneath zones and the safeties (plural) are game changers at their roles. Sherman also closes a half of the field on his side, because he can gamble with Thomas over the top and Chancellor underneath and in the seams. KC's ONLY game changer in the secondary is Berry and he may or may not be 100% coming back.

3) see my post on Kelce a few minutes ago.

Not buying the hype. I like him as a player, but KC has to prove he can be that good after teams have tape on him now. Last years late surge was fortuitous because teams did not have enough tape and time to deny him what he wanted to do. Most NFL DC's are not able to adjust that late in the season because of personnel and time restrictions in practice. With an offseason, Kelce will be better accounted for by teams this year. They will scheme him out of some of those plays. However, he is still a quality starting TE in the NFL and a very solid dual threat. I think he is going to be great, but he has to prove it first.

4) pretty much agree, but Thomas and Wilson did show big time promise towards the end of last season, Avant was (sad as this may sound) our second best WR last year after we picked him up after being cut by Carolina..now we have 3 or 4 guys that are better...according to coaches and the depth chart. We don't have DT and Sanders, but we have a respectable receiving corps again and that's huge.

Again, thinking you are better than the complete junk KC put out there last year because its not last years guys is a fallacy. It is not proven yet than any of those guys will make the WR group better than last year. It is wishful thinking.

5) the comment about Peters wasn't my comment, I was just the messenger...the comment came from either Dick Lebeau or Dom Capers through a text to Dorsey right after the pick...and it wasn't just the best corner, it was the best DB. We have draft niks, too (I've drafted in the CP mock since 2010 and have a nice track record, go look if you'd like) and Peters was the unanimous choice for who we wanted on CP. when he was our pick, the place blew up like it did when we picked Berry at 5. He's going to be very good.

Good for KC fans, you got what you wanted! For John Dorsey to publish that text is surprising though. You do not do that at that level without permission from the guy who evaluated that player and in confidence. Personally, I spoke with a bunch of people about him and he is very talented. Yet, you missed what was said about talent. Talent does NOT make you an NFL player, skill does. Tons of uber talented CB's have failed in this league, because they can not come to grips with the details needed to succeed at this level. The reason Chris Harris is rated so high here is that everyone in the NFL missed the fact of how skilled he is as a CB. He is not the elite athlete with all the measurables of Patrick Peterson, Derrell Revis, Vontae Davis or even Aqib Talib. He is simply extremely gifted at reading players, routes, situations, and throws like Richard Sherman. You can not argue about success and he has been very successful. You are relying on unknowns and unproven talent to be your top 3. On paper you may be right, but let's wait to anoint them until they prove it first.

6) we have very few spots that we don't have considerable depth at, throughout the roster. Lots of starters from last year are now depth with starting experience. The fact that we had 5 or 6 guys signed to other teams after cut downs speaks volumes to our teams depth.

Not really. You have guys, just like everyone else. That did NOT work out too well last year did it? You do have some very good injured players back, but that is it. You did an OK job in FA, but that is unproven how it will work. If you had a playoff winning recipe with long term vets who have played for you as backups then you just might have a valid point. Until then, it is wishful thinking.

7) Fisher was moved not so much for his inability to play LT, but the facts that he was outplayed at LT by our 2012 third rounder Donald Stephenson and the team had nobody that can effectively play RT besides him with a run of 3 DpOTY candidates in weeks 1-3 that all line up over the RT, or to his outside shoulder. If Donald Stephensin could play RT, Fisher would still be the LT in KC.

Not buying this in the least. Fisher struggled in pass protection and you do not move a better LT to RT for that reason. You protect a weaker RT with shifting protections to help against said pass rushers. I have a lot more faith in Andy Reid than you do if you believe that!

1) You're right on Alex, he's probably not going to become a playmaking QB, and statistics don't win games, but turnover ratio does. That's where Alex fits in to teams, he doesn't lose the game for you by turning the ball over. He is also very proficient at spreading the ball around and we have speed and playmaking ability everywhere on offense, now. That's a winning combination.

2) Totally disagree on our current safeties. We are 5 deep and we were damn good last year with just Abdullah and Parker (#2 pass defense in NFL)..now, we get Berry back and add a healthy Tyvon Branch, who is a very physical box safety that can cover tight ends, as well. Very similar player to your own TJ Ward.

3) Kelce played all 16 games and was a receiving threat right away, last year. Not sure where your "teams now have game tape on him" line comes in...they had tape on him right away and his production increased throughout the year.

4) Take a look at Alex Smiths production once Thomas and Wilson got healthy and up to speed in the playbook...in his last 3 games, Alex had 901 passing yards once he had a couple guys he could trust out there. Now, he has them, Jeremy Maclin, Kelce after a full offseason and we get Harris back. It's not just my opinion, we have a small sample size of real data to figure in, too.

5) Completely fair post.

6) On the OL, we have lots of starting experience as depth. Jeff Allen has started 2 years at LG and can play anywhere but center. Fulton has started one year at RG and can play any of the interior line spots....I'm not sold on our OL, but I see a lot of potential.

7) Andy Reid is who said EXACTLY what I relayed. The reason they moved Fisher was because they feel Fisher is just as good on either side and Stephenson is no good at right tackle. When Terez Paylor followed up that comment with a question about this being a demotion and Andy got very testy with him. Andy sees the chemistry with LDT and Fisher and the chemistry with Grubbs and Stephenson and wants that pairing for the line. Our right guard is a very impressive young man.

BroncoBeavis
09-10-2015, 03:48 PM
Boom!

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WoodMan
09-10-2015, 03:51 PM
Kelce is a stud, and could very well be a top-3 TE.

I dont think thats crazy.

The rest of the stuff he says is mind-boggling stupid.

Even a blind squirrel ..............

TonyR
09-10-2015, 04:03 PM
I think the Broncos could very well be a playoff team if Manning posted a QBR in the 50 range, barring a catastrophic injury stack or the team straight-up rejecting Kubiakís leadership and quitting on him altogether. The team around him is good enough to justify a playoff run with a mediocre quarterback if it plays close to how it performed in 2014. And if Manning actually does return to his early 2014 form (let alone his historically great 2013 numbers), this could quickly become one of the best teams in football, if not the best.
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/nfl-2015-season-predictions-part-4-the-contenders/

BossChief
09-10-2015, 04:04 PM
http://www.kcchiefs.com/media-center/videos/Andy-Reid-Explains-Changes-to-Offensive-Line/d5dd67ac-7f18-42f1-9bcd-797d21e34365

DENVERDUI55
09-10-2015, 04:05 PM
This will not sit with Peyton the fact he took a pay cut and his brother just got a big raise to 21 mil. per.

Not really. Peyton makes a hell of a lot more money than ELI. He will be happy for his little brother even though he is already a very rich man too.

Action
09-10-2015, 04:24 PM
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Is that John Clayton picking the Denver Broncos as AFC champs??

DENVERDUI55
09-10-2015, 04:26 PM
Well there are two idiots, well I would say guys with homer soft spots that really don't believe the picks they made. Sal Pal is giving his buddy Andy a plug and Dilfer feels sorry for a slap dick game manager like he was in Smith.

Kaylore
09-10-2015, 04:33 PM
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Jeez most pick the NFC to win the SB and more than half of those picked the Packers. I'm not sure about the Packers. They have some tough injuries and I think their division is going to be harder for them this year. Also LOL at Adrian Peterson winning MVP, Berman. He's definitely not with leather.

BossChief
09-10-2015, 05:27 PM
Suddenly, I'm a much bigger fan of Trent Dilfer and Sal Palontonio.

:)

Tombstone RJ
09-11-2015, 09:06 AM
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I just don't see how GB is getting all this respect when their defense is very suspect.