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Kaylore
07-26-2011, 01:34 PM
Got it, thanks. I'm paying attention to billion different tabs at once right now.

That sounds like a great plan, though.

The new rules require the teams spend at least 90% of their cap. I fairly certain if they are even at the low end of that number, Carson un-retiring would push them over the top, or at least very close to it.

Boom.

SouthStndJunkie
07-26-2011, 01:52 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/reports-tarvaris-jackson-will-sign-with-the-seahawks/

Reports: Tarvaris Jackson will sign with the Seahawks

Bob's your Information Minister
07-26-2011, 01:53 PM
Sounds like McGahee is our backup plan to DeAngelo. Either way we will have upgraded our RB position

McGahee is a bum.

SouthStndJunkie
07-26-2011, 01:54 PM
I wonder if Pete Carroll knows WTF he is doing?

That team seems like it has no direction or plan.

LRtagger
07-26-2011, 01:54 PM
LOL Pete Carroll

Drunk Monkey
07-26-2011, 01:55 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/reports-tarvaris-jackson-will-sign-with-the-seahawks/

Reports: Tarvaris Jackson will sign with the Seahawks

If they think he is going to replace Hasselbeck they are crazy. Jackson sucks ass, what the hell is Carroll doing? Poor Seattle, they basically have nothing to cheer for now. Good thing there is a lot of self medicating going on up there.

TheReverend
07-26-2011, 01:57 PM
I wonder if Pete Carroll knows WTF he is doing?

That team seems like it has no direction or plan.

Yet it had insta-results.

SouthStndJunkie
07-26-2011, 02:00 PM
Yet it had insta-results.

I don't doubt he can coach football, but if you don't have a plan, coaching only goes so far.

At one point Josh McDaniels gave us insta-results for about half a year.

Let's not pretend like Seattle was 12-4 last year.

They were 7-9 and won a playoff game.

oubronco
07-26-2011, 02:02 PM
Cowboys cost for Roy Williams in 2008: 1st, 3rd, 6th round picks and $20 million guaranteed. Now he's released: Treasure to Trash.

broncosteven
07-26-2011, 02:02 PM
I wonder if Pete Carroll knows WTF he is doing?

That team seems like it has no direction or plan.

He needs to sign Aaron Francisco

oubronco
07-26-2011, 02:03 PM
I wonder if Pete Carroll knows WTF he is doing?

That team seems like it has no direction or plan.

AdamSchefterAdam Schefter

Needing arms for start of camp, Seahawks signed two undrafted free agent QBs, Nebraska's Zach Lee and California (PA.'s) Josh Portis.

SouthStndJunkie
07-26-2011, 02:03 PM
I'm not a Pete Carroll hater either, I hope he does well with Seattle....I simply don't see a plan right now.

Beantown Bronco
07-26-2011, 02:05 PM
I'm not a Pete Carroll hater either, I hope he does well with Seattle....I simply don't see a plan right now.

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TheReverend
07-26-2011, 02:06 PM
I don't doubt he can coach football, but if you don't have a plan, coaching only goes so far.

At one point Josh McDaniels gave us insta-results for about half a year.

Let's not pretend like Seattle was 12-4 last year.

They were 7-9 and won a playoff game.

I think the "plan" is a reaction to the dearth of options.

We can talk about Kolb and Orton and Palmer and Bulger and... well, how much of a **** are they really worth?

Why not collect some talent, hit camp with an open competition and see if Jackson or Whitehurst or the next acquisition can throw a football.

broncosteven
07-26-2011, 02:09 PM
I think the "plan" is a reaction to the dearth of options.

We can talk about Kolb and Orton and Palmer and Bulger and... well, how much of a **** are they really worth?

Why not collect some talent, hit camp with an open competition and see if Jackson or Whitehurst or the next acquisition can throw a football.

And if that doesn't work Pete can go do Beer Bongs with Mat Leinhart.

oubronco
07-26-2011, 02:09 PM
I think the "plan" is a reaction to the dearth of options.

We can talk about Kolb and Orton and Palmer and Bulger and... well, how much of a **** are they really worth?

Why not collect some talent, hit camp with an open competition and see if Jackson or Whitehurst or the next acquisition can throw a football.

At this point that seems to be the direction

Carmelo15
07-26-2011, 02:10 PM
McGahee is a bum.

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Too Soon?

oubronco
07-26-2011, 02:14 PM
Where's the Deangelo Williams vid?

Carmelo15
07-26-2011, 02:27 PM
Jason La Confora:

The Seahawks have agreed to terms with Tarvaris Jackson, who played under offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell in Minnesota. Seattle also is expected to sign Matt Leinart, coach Pete Carroll‘s former QB at USC, to join Charlie Whitehurst on the roster.

Vikings WR Sidney Rice remains a prime free-agent target, according to the source.

oubronco
07-26-2011, 02:28 PM
Jason La Confora:

The Seahawks have agreed to terms with Tarvaris Jackson, who played under offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell in Minnesota. Seattle also is expected to sign Matt Leinart, coach Pete Carroll‘s former QB at USC, to join Charlie Whitehurst on the roster.

Vikings WR Sidney Rice remains a prime free-agent target, according to the source.

I had a feeling Lionheart might end up with Carrol

Gcver2ver3
07-26-2011, 02:33 PM
Where's the Deangelo Williams vid?


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only 123yds and 3 TDs...

score was close though, Carolina eeked it out 34-0...

Carmelo15
07-26-2011, 02:34 PM
@NFLTE82
Joel Gamble

Talked with Carolina Panthers, and Denver Broncos today speaking with other teams Tom i know il end up where GOD wants me !!!
14 minutes ago via web

Carmelo15
07-26-2011, 02:48 PM
Panthers defensive end Charles Johnson was expected to be a sought-after free agent, but he won’t be going anywhere.

A league source tells PFT that the Panthers and Johnson have agreed on a deal that will keep Johnson in Carolina.

The Panthers’ front office and Johnson’s agent, Drew Rosenhaus, have worked out a six-year, $76 million deal with $32 million guaranteed, including a $30 million signing bonus.

The 25-year-old Johnson started all 16 games for the Panthers last season and recorded 11.5 sacks.

broncosteven
07-26-2011, 02:49 PM
@NFLTE82
Joel Gamble

Talked with Carolina Panthers, and Denver Broncos today speaking with other teams Tom i know il end up where GOD wants me !!!
14 minutes ago via web

Here is the rest of his tweet:

Except if it is with the Oklahoma City Yard Dawgz, I can't go back there ever again they actually made you play in a yard with these mean dogs chasing us around while we were playing.

oubronco
07-26-2011, 02:51 PM
Panthers defensive end Charles Johnson was expected to be a sought-after free agent, but he won’t be going anywhere.

A league source tells PFT that the Panthers and Johnson have agreed on a deal that will keep Johnson in Carolina.

The Panthers’ front office and Johnson’s agent, Drew Rosenhaus, have worked out a six-year, $76 million deal with $32 million guaranteed, including a $30 million signing bonus.

The 25-year-old Johnson started all 16 games for the Panthers last season and recorded 11.5 sacks.

Damn it!!

Drunk Monkey
07-26-2011, 02:51 PM
Moss agrees to 1-year deal with Raiders


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Senior NFL Writer

The Sports Xchange

Although he appeared in only five games for the Oakland Raiders (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/oak/) in 2010, the club apparently saw enough of former first-round defensive end Jarvis Moss (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8271/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8271/news) to want him back, and The Sports Xchange has learned that the two sides on Tuesday reached a one-year agreement.

The unrestricted free agent will return to the Raiders for $1.25 million. The contract, agreed to in the opening hours of free agent negotiations under the provisions of the new collective bargaining agreement, can be officially signed on Friday after 6 p.m.

Moss, 26, was a first-round pick of the Denver Broncos (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/den/) in 2007, the 17th choice overall in that year's draft. The former University of Florida star was released by the Broncos last November, and signed with Oakland six days later.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=sportsxchange-000369130_moss-agrees-to-1year-deal-with-raiders


Thats the funniest thing I have seen all day.

oubronco
07-26-2011, 02:54 PM
He's about to bust out for his monies

phibacka31
07-26-2011, 02:55 PM
Moss agrees to 1-year deal with Raiders


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Senior NFL Writer

The Sports Xchange

Although he appeared in only five games for the Oakland Raiders (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/oak/) in 2010, the club apparently saw enough of former first-round defensive end Jarvis Moss (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8271/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8271/news) to want him back, and The Sports Xchange has learned that the two sides on Tuesday reached a one-year agreement.

The unrestricted free agent will return to the Raiders for $1.25 million. The contract, agreed to in the opening hours of free agent negotiations under the provisions of the new collective bargaining agreement, can be officially signed on Friday after 6 p.m.

Moss, 26, was a first-round pick of the Denver Broncos (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/den/) in 2007, the 17th choice overall in that year's draft. The former University of Florida star was released by the Broncos last November, and signed with Oakland six days later.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=sportsxchange-000369130_moss-agrees-to-1year-deal-with-raiders


Thats the funniest thing I have seen all day.

When I saw the headline I was thinking RANDY moss, which may have been even funnier! LOL

Beantown Bronco
07-26-2011, 03:06 PM
The Panthers’ front office and Johnson’s agent, Drew Rosenhaus, have worked out a six-year, $76 million deal with $32 million guaranteed, including a $30 million signing bonus.

So much for all that talk about the new CBA cutting down on ridiculous contracts.

BowlenBall
07-26-2011, 03:10 PM
So much for all that talk about the new CBA cutting down on ridiculous contracts.

Actually, the new CBA cuts down on ridiculous ROOKIE contracts, with the money shifted over to ridiculous veteran contracts.

Carmelo15
07-26-2011, 03:13 PM
Vikings, Redskins agree to trade, only if Donovan McNabb agrees to contract

The talk of the Redskins trading Donovan McNabb to the Vikings is heating up. Now the only question is whether McNabb will buy into it.

Jason La Canfora of NFL Network reports that the Vikings and Redskins have agreed to the terms of a trade that would send the veteran quarterback to Minnesota.

But the trade will only go through if McNabb agrees to a new contract. There’s no way the Vikings are paying him the $12.5 million he’s due this season.

And getting McNabb to agree to a new deal could be difficult. In Minnesota, McNabb would only be the starter for as long as it takes the Vikings to get first-round draft pick Christian Ponder up to speed. Given the way McNabb was stung by getting benched last year, he presumably doesn’t want to play for a team where the guy he’d get benched for is already in place.

So even though both the Redskins and McNabb are ready to move on, that doesn’t mean they’re both ready to reach a deal with McNabb’s next team.

Carmelo15
07-26-2011, 03:16 PM
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Santana Moss reaches agreement with Washington on a 3-yr deal for $15 million with $5 million signing bonus and $6 million guaranteed.

Carmelo15
07-26-2011, 03:24 PM
Adam Schefter
Rams reach agreement with former Eagles S Quintin Mikell on a four-year deal.

eddie mac
07-26-2011, 03:46 PM
Profootballtalk.com reports the Panthers have agreed to terms with DE Charles Johnson on a six-year, $76 million contract, including a whopping $30 million signing bonus.
The deal has $32 million in guarantees. Re-signing the top pass rusher on the market was enough of a priority that GM Marty Hurney flew to Miami Tuesday to meet directly with Johnson. The Gaston Gazette confirms Johnson was contacted by the Falcons -- as expected. The Broncos also came calling, perhaps confirmation that coach John Fox will aggressively court his former players. The total money is nearly as strong as Julius Peppers' Bears contract, effectively keeping Johnson from waiting until Friday to see how many suitors would line up.

SouthStndJunkie
07-26-2011, 04:18 PM
Matt Leinart has agreed to a deal with Seattle, according to ESPN.com. Chris Mortensen reported Leinart “could” round out Seattle’s depth chart earlier Tuesday, but ESPN.com has adjusted that wording to say a deal has been reached. Mort says the Redskins spoke with Leinart, who ultimately decided to reunite with former coach Pete Carroll.

TheReverend
07-26-2011, 04:19 PM
Matt Leinart has agreed to a deal with Seattle, according to ESPN.com. Chris Mortensen reported Leinart “could” round out Seattle’s depth chart earlier Tuesday, but ESPN.com has adjusted that wording to say a deal has been reached. Mort says the Redskins spoke with Leinart, who ultimately decided to reunite with former coach Pete Carroll.

Jackson, Leinart and Whitehurst. Only need 33% odds that one of them gets their **** together lol

SouthStndJunkie
07-26-2011, 04:23 PM
Matt Leinart makes a lot more sense than Tarvaris Jackson for Seattle....but I guess they have both and they paid a buttload to get Charlie Whitehurst last year.

I would like to see Matt Leinart win that job and get his shot.

TheReverend
07-26-2011, 04:26 PM
Matt Leinart makes a lot more sense than Tarvaris Jackson for Seattle....but I guess they have both and they paid a buttload to get Charlie Whitehurst last year.

I would like to see Matt Leinart win that job and get his shot.

It'll be interesting. They have 3 talented, young reclamation projects to try and work with.

If it pans out, I wouldn't be surprised to start seeing more teams give this a shot.

SouthStndJunkie
07-27-2011, 11:23 AM
In a surprise move, quarterback Matt Leinart has agreed to a deal to stay with the Houston Texans, a day after reports circulated that Leinart would sign with the Seattle Seahawks.

John McClain of the Houston Chronicle reports that Leinart wanted to sign with a team that would give him a chance to start, and the Texans are definitely not that as long as Matt Schaub is around. But Leinart apparently concluded after the Seahawks agreed to a deal with Tarvaris Jackson that he wouldn’t be able to start in Seattle, either.

TheReverend
07-27-2011, 11:24 AM
In a surprise move, quarterback Matt Leinart has agreed to a deal to stay with the Houston Texans, a day after reports circulated that Leinart would sign with the Seattle Seahawks.

John McClain of the Houston Chronicle reports that Leinart wanted to sign with a team that would give him a chance to start, and the Texans are definitely not that as long as Matt Schaub is around. But Leinart apparently concluded after the Seahawks agreed to a deal with Tarvaris Jackson that he wouldn’t be able to start in Seattle, either.

Dude is just strange...

boltaneer
07-27-2011, 11:29 AM
LOL Is he basically saying he thinks he can beat out Schaub over Tavaris Jackson?

Beantown Bronco
07-27-2011, 11:31 AM
LOL Is he basically saying he thinks he can beat out Schaub over Tavaris Jackson?

More likely that he's happy making nice money and having zero expectations or pressure put on him. It's a good gig.

Drunk Monkey
07-27-2011, 11:50 AM
More likely that he's happy making nice money and having zero expectations or pressure put on him. It's a good gig.

I think it has more to do with the quality of college trim coming out of Texas. Nothing against Seattle but the women are just a little hotter down here.

TheReverend
07-27-2011, 11:53 AM
I think you're both right

SouthStndJunkie
07-27-2011, 12:34 PM
Former Toledo Rocket Lance Moore re-signed with New Orleans.

Good move for them and for Lance Moore, he's done very well there.

Carmelo15
07-27-2011, 10:55 PM
Jay Glazer of FOX Sports reports that the Saints have agreed to the terms of a trade that would send running back Reggie Bush to the Dolphins.

The deal hinges on the Dolphins working out an acceptable contract with Bush. Due to earn a base salary of $11.8 million in 2011, Bush will have to take a pay cut. (Of course, if he agrees to a long-term deal with the Dolphins, he could actually pocket $11.8 million in salary and bonuses in 2011, or more.)

There’s also a chance that Bush will stay put in New Orleans, if he agrees to accept a reduced rate of pay.

The move makes plenty of sense for the Saints, who would have had no choice but to cut Bush ASAP. If he tears an ACL or busts an Achilles’ tendon in training camp, New Orleans will owe him the full $11.8 million.

Also, by trading him the Saints will be able to ensure that he ended up out of their division — and out of their conference.

In the end, Bush’s place of employment for 2011 will come down to whether he wants to stay with the Saints or move on. Lately, he has been saying all the right things about New Orleans. His chance to prove that he means it has now arrived.

SouthStndJunkie
07-28-2011, 09:15 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/28/texans-reportedly-in-lead-for-asomugha/

Texans reportedly in “lead” for Asomugha

SouthStndJunkie
07-28-2011, 09:16 AM
Good....I'd rather see Nnamdi Asomugha sign with the Texans than anyone else.

I'll always root for Gary Kubiak to do well.

BroncosMT
07-28-2011, 09:18 AM
Niners are releasing Clements per schefty

Tombstone RJ
07-28-2011, 09:23 AM
Niners are releasing Clements per schefty

wow, how do the niners like him now? they only made him the highest paid CB in the nfl a few years ago...

TheReverend
07-28-2011, 09:24 AM
wow, how do the niners like him now? they only made him the highest paid CB in the nfl a few years ago...

4 years is a long time in the NFL

BroncosMT
07-28-2011, 09:25 AM
"With the two sides unable to reach agreement on a paycut, the 49ers officially told CB Nate Clements they will be releasing him."

Apparently not as much as he thinks TJ

Tombstone RJ
07-28-2011, 09:32 AM
4 years is a long time in the NFL

it was still a head scratching contract. All the niners managed to do with that behemeth is inflate the price tag for all CBs.

SouthStndJunkie
07-28-2011, 06:53 PM
Adam Schefter of ESPN and Mark Berman of MyFOXHouston.com report that the Texans have agreed to terms on a five-year deal with former Bengals cornerback Jonathan Joseph.

SouthStndJunkie
07-28-2011, 06:53 PM
Jonathan Joseph is a very solid corner and is entering the prime of his career at 27 years old.

Shananahan
07-28-2011, 07:04 PM
Yeah. From twitter:

(http://twitter.com/KCJoynerTFS)@KCJoynerTFS (http://twitter.com/KCJoynerTFS): Joseph has a better 2-yr YPA than Asomugha on nearly 3 times as many targets.

oubronco
07-28-2011, 07:09 PM
And another FA bites the dust

Killericon
07-29-2011, 11:31 AM
The CB I'm hoping for is Richard Marshall...

SouthStndJunkie
08-01-2011, 11:43 AM
Jason Taylor is going to back to Miami for a third stint with the team.

Taylor is still capable of getting to the QB....put him in as a situation pass rusher and he will still get you anywhere from 5 to 8 sacks a year.

Drunk Monkey
08-02-2011, 02:46 PM
AdamSchefter (http://twitter.com/#!/AdamSchefter)Adam Schefter



Here's the Zach Miller contract with the Seahawks: 5 years, $34 million, including $17 million guaranteed.

Chris
08-02-2011, 02:47 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/02/seahawks-sign-zach-miller/related

Gcver2ver3
08-02-2011, 02:49 PM
seahawks making moves, being aggressive...

aw yes, i remember those days...

broncofan2438
08-02-2011, 02:49 PM
AdamSchefter (http://twitter.com/#!/AdamSchefter)Adam Schefter



Here's the Zach Miller contract with the Seahawks: 5 years, $34 million, including $17 million guaranteed.

haha, more decent players leaving the AFC west

uplink
08-02-2011, 02:57 PM
haha, more decent players leaving the AFC west

Yes! This really hurt the raiders passing game options

bendog
08-02-2011, 02:57 PM
seahawks making moves, being aggressive...

aw yes, i remember those days...

but there's that qb thing.

Agamemnon
08-02-2011, 06:37 PM
Holy crap does the Raiders passing game look crappy right now. Jason Campbell throwing to a bunch of scrubs. Man that running game is going to have to work overtime. Gotta say I'm liking our chances against them this year.

TheReverend
08-02-2011, 06:41 PM
Holy crap does the Raiders passing game look crappy right now. Jason Campbell throwing to a bunch of scrubs. Man that running game is going to have to work overtime. Gotta say I'm liking our chances against them this year.

Keep it down before Al wakes up and signs Edwards, Smith, Floyd and Boss

cutthemdown
08-02-2011, 07:47 PM
seahawks making moves, being aggressive...

aw yes, i remember those days...

Yeah Elway is probably just sitting around drinking.

TonyR
08-03-2011, 06:27 AM
What's up with all these players taking less money to play in Philly? Check this out re Ronnie Brown:

Jeff Darlington of the Miami Herald reports via Twitter that Brown was pursued by the Eagles, Chargers, Ravens and Rams, and that Philadelphia's contract offer was the lowest of the four. Assuming Jeff's on the money, that's the latest bit of evidence that the Eagles have become the destination team for players around the league. Nnamdi Asomugha took less money than he was offered elsewhere, and it's become very clear that the chance to play with Michael Vick and for Andy Reid is one at which NFL players want to jump if they can.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/29143/eagles-sign-running-back-ronnie-brown

Chris
08-03-2011, 06:33 AM
Because NFL players have a man crush on Michael Vick and any east coast city where they can party in the club?

BroncosMT
08-03-2011, 06:34 AM
Adam Schefter (https://www.facebook.com/AdamSchefter)
It's to the point now where the remaining free agents want to go to Philadelphia -- and are willing to take less to do it.

WolfpackGuy
08-03-2011, 06:49 AM
Beagles fans are already talking like the Super Bowl is a given.

I can't wait for this flop.

BroncosMT
08-03-2011, 06:58 AM
Adam Schefter (https://www.facebook.com/AdamSchefter)
Former Redskins CB Carlos Rogers and the 49ers reached agreement on a one-year deal

TonyR
08-03-2011, 07:37 AM
Beagles fans are already talking like the Super Bowl is a given.

I can't wait for this flop.

I'm right there with you. It's going to take some injuries, particularly to Vick, to derail this train.

bendog
08-03-2011, 07:42 AM
Fear the Vince Young!

alkemical
08-03-2011, 07:45 AM
Eagles making a SB run - and they are stacked with talent. Who wouldn't want to win a title?

alkemical
08-03-2011, 07:46 AM
But beware...

The philly curse.

Kaylore
08-03-2011, 07:52 AM
Has there ever been an example of a team that signed a boatload of free agents and went on to win the SB? I'm not talking a few, I'm talking the Redskins approach or what Philly did this year.

Gcver2ver3
08-03-2011, 08:00 AM
Has there ever been an example of a team that signed a boatload of free agents and went on to win the SB? I'm not talking a few, I'm talking the Redskins approach or what Philly did this year.

97 Broncos...

oubronco
08-03-2011, 09:12 AM
Adam Schefter (https://www.facebook.com/AdamSchefter)
Former Redskins CB Carlos Rogers and the 49ers reached agreement on a one-year deal

What's with all these one year deals are they all going to free agents again next year so we can do this all over again

uplink
08-04-2011, 12:30 PM
According to the Mayans the world ends for the 5th time when Favre retires, so it will not be this year
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/04/the-favre-watch-is-on-in-miami/

TonyR
08-04-2011, 12:36 PM
Have the Eagles signed any Pro Bowlers to team friendly one year deals today?

Tombstone RJ
08-04-2011, 12:40 PM
Has there ever been an example of a team that signed a boatload of free agents and went on to win the SB? I'm not talking a few, I'm talking the Redskins approach or what Philly did this year.

the 1995, 1996, 1997 Broncos... yah, Shanny brought in a bunch of FA's...

Mediator12
08-04-2011, 12:40 PM
Has there ever been an example of a team that signed a boatload of free agents and went on to win the SB? I'm not talking a few, I'm talking the Redskins approach or what Philly did this year.

Dallas did in the Nineties. They got Charles Haley and Deion Sanders from SF and drastically changed the balance of power right after the first CBA. Jimmy Johnson truly deserves a lot of credit for Bringing his MIA front to the NFL and then getting the players to run it in DAL. Jerry Jones will forever be the biggest idiot owner in the NFL IMHO. AL Davis and Dan Snyder have not been relevant enough to take that from him recently.

bendog
08-04-2011, 12:48 PM
I think the iggles cut shawn andrews and then signed his younger brother to play the same position. LOL

TheReverend
08-04-2011, 12:53 PM
What's with all these one year deals are they all going to free agents again next year so we can do this all over again

The ones that play well enough into Oct will be getting extensions drawn up long before FA :)

Kaylore
08-04-2011, 01:00 PM
Those examples aren't good enough, IMO. We didn't sign all those free agents in one offeseason and then go to the Super Bowl. We did it piecemeal over several seasons and good draft picks were already in place.

The same goes for the Cowboys in the nineties. Sure Sanders and Haley were big signings, but they got Irvin, Aikman and Emmit Smith out of the draft and by trading players away. They didn't sit down one offseason and sign eight dudes to huge contracts and then magically waltz into the Super Bowl.

Shananahan
08-04-2011, 01:11 PM
What's with all these one year deals are they all going to free agents again next year so we can do this all over again
I was thinking maybe the mandatory cap floor kicking in next season had something to do with it. Maybe the players know the teams will be forced to spend at least as much if not more next season, so they're hoping to play well for a year and then sign long-term when there is more money to go around.

BMarsh615
08-04-2011, 03:51 PM
Shanahan: RB Ryan Torain out 7 to 10 days after having 4 screws inserted into the fractured third metacarpal in his left hand. #Redskins (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Redskins)

https://twitter.com/Rich_Campbell/status/99249588111810560

eddie mac
08-04-2011, 04:37 PM
Those examples aren't good enough, IMO. We didn't sign all those free agents in one offeseason and then go to the Super Bowl. We did it piecemeal over several seasons and good draft picks were already in place.

The same goes for the Cowboys in the nineties. Sure Sanders and Haley were big signings, but they got Irvin, Aikman and Emmit Smith out of the draft and by trading players away. They didn't sit down one offseason and sign eight dudes to huge contracts and then magically waltz into the Super Bowl.

I think the better example would be to look at things from the other perspective. How many low income or even low spending teams have ever won a Superbowl without spending money on players??? I think the Bucs with Sapp are the only franchise ever to do so in the money era of pro football and that Khan is where I'm coming from with Bowlen and this team's financial stance. We wont do **** until we become financially competitive again.

Carmelo15
08-04-2011, 04:46 PM
49ers sent a league-wide e-mail shopping Taylor Mays. Could be a nice addition for the right price. I know we're deep at safety but could Fox possibly convert him to a WLB a la Thomas Davis?

DBroncos4life
08-04-2011, 05:32 PM
49ers sent a league-wide e-mail shopping Taylor Mays. Could be a nice addition for the right price. I know we're deep at safety but could Fox possibly convert him to a WLB a la Thomas Davis?

49ers are making a good push for Luck this year.

bowtown
08-04-2011, 05:39 PM
the 1995, 1996, 1997 Broncos... yah, Shanny brought in a bunch of FA's...

How did I miss the Broncos going to the Super Bowl in 95 and 96?

Drek
08-04-2011, 05:48 PM
49ers are making a good push for Luck this year.

49ers have signed Donte Whitner and Braylon Edwards today.

Abqbronco
08-04-2011, 06:57 PM
Has there ever been an example of a team that signed a boatload of free agents and went on to win the SB? I'm not talking a few, I'm talking the Redskins approach or what Philly did this year.

Steve Young's 49ers had a boat load of free agents I think. Rickey Waters, Ricky Jackson and Deon come to mind. That mindset followed Shanahan to Denver with a lot of guys wanting that championship but it has not been successful recently.

SouthStndJunkie
08-04-2011, 08:16 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/04/prince-amukamara-signs-all-first-round-picks-done/

Prince Amukamara signs, all first-round picks done

Kaylore
08-04-2011, 08:34 PM
I think the better example would be to look at things from the other perspective. How many low income or even low spending teams have ever won a Superbowl without spending money on players??? I think the Bucs with Sapp are the only franchise ever to do so in the money era of pro football and that Khan is where I'm coming from with Bowlen and this team's financial stance. We wont do **** until we become financially competitive again.

I'm not arguing against the idea of spending money on free agency. I'm just not remembering a team that brought in a bunch free agents in one offseason and won it all. It seems to me the teams that are close and get one or two to get them over the edge are not uncommon. However those players usually come into an already established team that is competitive and has chemistry with each other. Signing ten free agents, even if they're good, takes time for them to learn to work with each other.

misturanderson
08-05-2011, 12:10 AM
Shanahan: RB Ryan Torain out 7 to 10 days after having 4 screws inserted into the fractured third metacarpal in his left hand. #Redskins (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Redskins)

https://twitter.com/Rich_Campbell/status/99249588111810560

I'm confused as to how one would use 4 screws as the only fixation in a metacarpal fracture. I could see like 1, maybe 2 screws or 4 screws and a plate, but 4 screws doesn't make sense unless it was a really odd fracture/s.

I'm also confused as to how that guy gets hurt so damn much.

SouthStndJunkie
08-05-2011, 02:12 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/05/league-remains-tight-lipped-on-supplemental-draft/

League remains tight lipped on supplemental draft

SouthStndJunkie
08-05-2011, 02:14 PM
I'm no fan of Terrelle Pryor, but he deserves the right to play in the NFL this year and the way to do that is via a supplemental draft.

Black96WS6
08-05-2011, 02:18 PM
Chargers just re-signed Malcolm Floyd.

Potent offense with Vincent Jackson, Gates, Floyd, and Patrick Crayton catching passes from Rivers. Plus Ryan Mathews out of the backfield.

If Bob Sanders can actually play a full season...look out...althought with change of DC we'll see if that helps or hurts...

Drunk Monkey
08-05-2011, 02:45 PM
I'm no fan of Terrelle Pryor, but he deserves the right to play in the NFL this year and the way to do that is via a supplemental draft.

I disagree. If the NFL can't work in a supplemental draft in a time frame that works for them then to bad. He put himself in this situation. As for the NFL, it is an unusual year with the lock out and I understand them not bending over backwards to accommodate Pryor.

Gcver2ver3
08-05-2011, 02:51 PM
Chargers just re-signed Malcolm Floyd.

Potent offense with Vincent Jackson, Gates, Floyd, and Patrick Crayton catching passes from Rivers. Plus Ryan Mathews out of the backfield.

If Bob Sanders can actually play a full season...look out...althought with change of DC we'll see if that helps or hurts...

i was hoping floyd wouldnt return....

yeah their passing game will be dangerous...

i still don't think the run game will be much so i hope our pass rush shuts them down...

Gcver2ver3
08-05-2011, 02:53 PM
I disagree. If the NFL can't work in a supplemental draft in a time frame that works for them then to bad. He put himself in this situation. As for the NFL, it is an unusual year with the lock out and I understand them not bending over backwards to accommodate Pryor.

the decisions he made in college should be irrelevant...

if there is no supp draft, then he should be classified as an undrafted free agent...

he is an adult no longer in college that will be wanted by a few nfl teams...

he should be allowed to find work with one, and if he isn't he should pursue litigation...

Tombstone RJ
08-05-2011, 03:00 PM
How did I miss the Broncos going to the Super Bowl in 95 and 96?

1995 was Shanny's first year and he started to bring in FA's at that time. It lead to the 1996 season where the Broncos went 13-3 and then crapped themselves in the playoffs (I know you know this stuff). I'm pretty sure Shanny was still bringing in FAs in 1997 when the Broncos went to and won their first SB (1998).

But the flurry of FA's happened in that window that got them the 2 SBs. At least, that is what I remember.

That One Guy
08-05-2011, 03:27 PM
the decisions he made in college should be irrelevant...

if there is no supp draft, then he should be classified as an undrafted free agent...

he is an adult no longer in college that will be wanted by a few nfl teams...

he should be allowed to find work with one, and if he isn't he should pursue litigation...

Well, the other argument that I've seen is that at the time he decided to leave school for the NFL, it was purely his own decision. He was still on the Ohio State team and decided he was done with NCAA ball. Apparently if a player is ineligible to play, they allow them to go in the supplemental draft but you can't just go that route because you decide to. The time to declare for the NFL was well before and he should've made that decision when everyone else did.

People would be a lot less concerned with declaring for the draft in time if they knew they could just declare when they felt like it for the supplemental draft. You'd also have teams who could use a future pick for a player that'd help you right away so it could even be appealing for some people to go that route as they might get drafted slightly higher than they otherwise would.

SouthStndJunkie
08-06-2011, 05:20 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/06/dolphins-use-collection-agency-to-chase-season-ticket-holders/

Dolphins use outside agency to chase season ticket holders

SouthStndJunkie
08-07-2011, 10:02 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/07/patriots-pick-up-shaun-ellis/

Patriots pick up Shaun Ellis

SouthStndJunkie
08-07-2011, 10:03 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/07/jason-snelling-returns-to-the-falcons/

Jason Snelling returns to the Falcons

DarkHorse
08-07-2011, 10:22 AM
Prince Amukamara (SP?) breaks foot - requires surgery


http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/6840281/prince-amukamara-new-york-giants-breaks-foot-indefinitely

Kaylore
08-07-2011, 02:27 PM
Prince Amukamara (SP?) breaks foot - requires surgery


http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/6840281/prince-amukamara-new-york-giants-breaks-foot-indefinitely

That really sucks.

Bob's your Information Minister
08-07-2011, 08:17 PM
Cutler looks lean.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2011-08/63815208.jpg

Bronx33
08-07-2011, 08:19 PM
still an INT machine

underrated29
08-07-2011, 08:22 PM
Still would like to have him on our team



and the rhyme continues it would seem

Bob's your Information Minister
08-07-2011, 08:37 PM
hey men look there's a gleam

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_UyvZ8Q93vtE/Sg4aT52f7hI/AAAAAAAAAEY/cJxiRoN4Ics/s400/marty-schottenheimer-3-011408.jpg

Requiem
08-07-2011, 08:55 PM
Cutler still a diabetic boss!

That One Guy
08-07-2011, 08:57 PM
Just saw on PFT that the Pats signed Andre Carter now.

I wonder if they aren't just trying to get another trophy before Brady's time comes. Why else get so many older vets when they always seem to have as many draft picks as they'd like to select players.

HAT
08-07-2011, 09:21 PM
Still would like to have him on our team



and the rhyme continues it would seem

Team & seem don't rhyme with lean & machine.

Queen OTOH......

That One Guy
08-07-2011, 09:31 PM
Team & seem don't rhyme with lean & machine.

Queen OTOH......

It works better if you sing it out loud.

Ugly Duck
08-08-2011, 12:50 AM
Gotta say I'm liking our chances against (Oakland) this year.

Denver Post.... Raiders blast Broncos 59-14; fans express their displeasure


Broncos were shamefully annihilated by the Oakland Raiders, 59-14, before a disgusted sellout-turned-very-small-crowd at Invesco Field at Mile High. "The whole Broncos organization, country, team, fans, players, coaches, owners, from top to bottom, that was an embarrassing performance." The massacre at Invesco will live on for a while.

This was one of those games in which it looked like the Broncos had eight players on defense. The Raiders had 169 yards rushing by halftime, and tailback Darren McFadden had four touchdowns on 196 yards rushing and receiving with more than five minutes remaining in the third quarter. The Raiders needed only three plays before McFadden scored the first of his four touchdowns.

cutthemdown
08-08-2011, 02:22 AM
Chargers just re-signed Malcolm Floyd.

Potent offense with Vincent Jackson, Gates, Floyd, and Patrick Crayton catching passes from Rivers. Plus Ryan Mathews out of the backfield.

If Bob Sanders can actually play a full season...look out...althought with change of DC we'll see if that helps or hurts...

Actually Mathews may be the one thing avg about it.

SouthStndJunkie
08-08-2011, 07:39 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/08/casey-matthews-looks-like-phillys-starting-middle-linebacker/

Casey Matthews looks like Philly’s starting middle linebacker

bronco militia
08-08-2011, 07:45 AM
another Mathews about to tear up the NFL?

who knew

bendog
08-08-2011, 07:49 AM
It wouldn't surprise me. btw, here's who McD gave up for the broken down running back who smokes too much

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/draft-2011/players/69162.html

TheReverend
08-08-2011, 07:56 AM
It wouldn't surprise me. btw, here's who McD gave up for the broken down running back who smokes too much

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/draft-2011/players/69162.html

I'm sorry... what?

bowtown
08-08-2011, 07:58 AM
another Mathews about to tear up the NFL?

who knew

[Something stupid about bloodlines.]

WolfpackGuy
08-08-2011, 07:59 AM
I'm sorry... what?

The pick they literally gave away to NE for Sir Laurence.

Abqbronco
08-08-2011, 08:04 AM
I'm sorry... what?

I think he's talking about the Patriots running back that McD picked up for a 4th rounder last year. I refuse to use his name.

bowtown
08-08-2011, 08:08 AM
I think he's talking about the Patriots running back that McD picked up for a 4th rounder last year. I refuse to use his name.

Tiny Dancer.

bronco militia
08-08-2011, 08:10 AM
http://www.theloopnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Laurence-Maroney-300x163.jpg

TheReverend
08-08-2011, 08:14 AM
The pick they literally gave away to NE for Sir Laurence.

I think he's talking about the Patriots running back that McD picked up for a 4th rounder last year. I refuse to use his name.

Thanks guys. Repped for clearing that up for me.

Kaylore
08-08-2011, 08:43 AM
I think he's talking about the Patriots running back that McD picked up for a 4th rounder last year. I refuse to use his name.

As a GM, McDaniels was probably the worst we've seen. I would love to strap him to a chair and make him explain some of the choices he did. This, Lonnie Paxton in lieu of Leach and the Alphonso Smith deals are the three things I would grill him on.

DarkHorse
08-08-2011, 09:24 AM
Mikel LeShoure tears achilles tendon - out for the season.

http://www.nfl.com/trainingcamp/story/09000d5d8214f3d2/article/lions-rookie-leshoure-to-miss-season-with-torn-achilles?module=HP11_headline_stack

SouthStndJunkie
08-08-2011, 09:28 AM
That sucks for the Lions....I hope they don't have the injury bug all year.

They need a big back to compliment Jahvid Best.

PRBronco
08-08-2011, 09:31 AM
Something is compelling me to point out that we got a 6th rounder back with LoMo. I think it's my knowitall-ism. So McD didn't "give away a 4th". He traded a 4th for a 6th :sunshine:

bronco militia
08-08-2011, 09:33 AM
Something is compelling me to point out that we got a 6th rounder back with LoMo. I think it's my knowitall-ism. So McD didn't "give away a 4th". He traded a 4th for a 6th :sunshine:

THANKS AGAIN JOSH!

:cuss:

SouthStndJunkie
08-08-2011, 10:51 AM
Running back Ricky Williams has signed with the Baltimore Ravens, a source confirmed to ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter on Monday.

Williams signed a two-year deal worth $2.5 million with some escalators that could make the contract worth $4 million total. In Baltimore he will back up starting running back Ray Rice.

SouthStndJunkie
08-08-2011, 10:54 AM
Solid move for the Ravens....Ricky has some gas left in the tank.

He ran for 673 yards and averaged 4.2 yards per carry last year and should be able to fill a similar role in Baltimore.

Ricky only needs 435 yards for 10,000 career rushing yards.

SouthStndJunkie
08-08-2011, 11:06 AM
I'm glad to see Ricky Williams still in the league.

I've always enjoyed watching him tote the rock.

TheReverend
08-08-2011, 11:34 AM
I'm glad to see Ricky Williams still in the league.

I've always enjoyed watching him tote the rock.

This. I'm one of the few fans left of Sticky Ricky.

Tombstone RJ
08-08-2011, 11:56 AM
Running back Ricky Williams has signed with the Baltimore Ravens, a source confirmed to ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter on Monday.

Williams signed a two-year deal worth $2.5 million with some escalators that could make the contract worth $4 million total. In Baltimore he will back up starting running back Ray Rice.

nice pick up by the ratbirds... so they dump McGahee and pick up Williams. I'm not sure if this is a good sign for our front office....

Kaylore
08-08-2011, 12:08 PM
I'm glad to see Ricky Williams still in the league.

I've always enjoyed watching him tote the rock.

It seems like he's been around forever.

bowtown
08-08-2011, 12:13 PM
It seems like he's been around forever.

Time goes slower when you are stoned.

Kaylore
08-08-2011, 12:19 PM
Time goes slower when you are stoned.

Even for those around you, though? That's pretty awesome if someone gets stoned and its not that everything seems slower, but everyone actually is slower. Ha!

bendog
08-08-2011, 12:52 PM
That sucks for the Lions....I hope they don't have the injury bug all year.

They need a big back to compliment Jahvid Best.

Matt Stafford will haunt them.

Abqbronco
08-08-2011, 02:26 PM
As a GM, McDaniels was probably the worst we've seen. I would love to strap him to a chair and make him explain some of the choices he did. This, Lonnie Paxton in lieu of Leach and the Alphonso Smith deals are the three things I would grill him on.

Agreed. I would add the Richard Quinn pick to this list.

SouthStndJunkie
08-08-2011, 04:05 PM
The Lions could really use Ricky Williams now that Mikel LeShoure is out for the year.

Poor timing....last week there were several free agent running backs out there that would have been a nice fit for them.

BroncosMT
08-09-2011, 07:41 AM
Adam Schefter (https://www.facebook.com/AdamSchefter)
By not reporting to training camp today, Titans holdout RB Chris Johnson surrendered getting an accrued season toward free agency.

Beantown Bronco
08-09-2011, 07:58 AM
Adam Schefter (https://www.facebook.com/AdamSchefter)
By not reporting to training camp today, Titans holdout RB Chris Johnson surrendered getting an accrued season toward free agency.

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict he's traded in the next 2-3 weeks.

TheReverend
08-09-2011, 08:00 AM
Adam Schefter (https://www.facebook.com/AdamSchefter)
By not reporting to training camp today, Titans holdout RB Chris Johnson surrendered getting an accrued season toward free agency.

**** me. He's my fantasy keeper :/

bronco militia
08-09-2011, 08:01 AM
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2011/writers/jim_trotter/08/08/49ers-postcard/jim-harbaugh-nfl-icon.jpg

TheReverend
08-09-2011, 08:05 AM
^ QB has my calves

:(

bronco militia
08-09-2011, 08:11 AM
^ QB has my calves

:(

Ha!...at least you don't have cankles

BroncosMT
08-09-2011, 08:12 AM
I'm going to go out on a limb and predict he's traded in the next 2-3 weeks.

you think they will give him up??? I think they have all of the leverage....not sure

Beantown Bronco
08-09-2011, 08:27 AM
you think they will give him up??? I think they have all of the leverage....not sure

Give him up? Hardly. I'm not talking about cutting him or trading him for a 6th or 7th rounder. A few different sites are reporting possible trade scenarios for top level compensation and it seems to make sense.

They're rebuilding. Why waste the $30 mil guaranteed he's reportedly demanding if they won't be in any position to take advantage of it before he declines? Get the 2 first or second round picks/and or players at positions of need and let someone else show him the money.

BroncosMT
08-09-2011, 08:30 AM
Give him up? Hardly. I'm not talking about cutting him or trading him for a 6th or 7th rounder. A few different sites are reporting possible trade scenarios for top level compensation and it seems to make sense.

They're rebuilding. Why waste the $30 mil guaranteed he's reportedly demanding if they won't be in any position to take advantage of it before he declines? Get the 2 first or second round picks/and or players at positions of need and let someone else show him the money.

Makes sense....just seems he has a lot left in the tank and good RB's are hard to find!

bendog
08-10-2011, 07:19 AM
Ochocinco's too cheap to rent his own place, and big money returns at bargain price.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/08/10/ochocinco.patriots.fan.ap/index.html?sct=nfl_t2_a8

Would you really want this guy to live with you?

I was a little surprised Den didn't have some interest in Warren. He's not much but he can eat up space.

oubronco
08-10-2011, 07:26 AM
Adam Schefter (https://www.facebook.com/AdamSchefter)
By not reporting to training camp today, Titans holdout RB Chris Johnson surrendered getting an accrued season toward free agency.

What a dumbass

DENVERDUI55
08-10-2011, 07:32 AM
I was a little surprised Den didn't have some interest in Warren. He's not much but he can eat up space.
That ship has sailed. Denver has enough retreads and 1 st rd xp that failed to reach draft potential.

SouthStndJunkie
08-10-2011, 06:11 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/10/eagles-sign-ex-giant-steve-smith/

Eagles sign ex-Giant Steve Smith

cutthemdown
08-10-2011, 06:15 PM
**** me. He's my fantasy keeper :/

Me to but we keep 2 and I also have Charles. He will play though why would titans give Hasselbach 9 million and tell Johnson to to go **** off? It will end up like Revis last yr IMO. He will sign week before the season to some sort of increase in pay with FA given to him early, or he will get his long term deal. No way a player that good sits the yr IMO.

We are screwed fantasy if he does though.

If he was available in a trade Broncos should get on the ****ing phone.

snowspot66
08-10-2011, 06:50 PM
If he was available in a trade Broncos should get on the ****ing phone.

Luxury we can't afford. Even if Pat was spending the big bucks.

TonyR
08-10-2011, 07:35 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/10/eagles-sign-ex-giant-steve-smith/

Eagles sign ex-Giant Steve Smith

Ridiculous. Has a team ever brought in as much talent as the Eagles have this year? Particularly a team that was already pretty good like this team? Nnamdi Asomugha, Jason Babin, Ronnie Brown, Anthony Hargrove, Johnnie Lee Higgins, Cullen Jenkins, Derek Landri, Donald Lee, Evan Mathis, Jarrad Page, Chris Wilson, Vince Young, and now Steve Smith.

Broncoman13
08-10-2011, 07:54 PM
Ridiculous. Has a team ever brought in as much talent as the Eagles have this year? Particularly a team that was already pretty good like this team? Nnamdi Asomugha, Jason Babin, Ronnie Brown, Anthony Hargrove, Johnnie Lee Higgins, Cullen Jenkins, Derek Landri, Donald Lee, Evan Mathis, Jarrad Page, Chris Wilson, Vince Young, and now Steve Smith.

not enough time to gel. They will do well, but I would put my money on a team like the Steelers, Ravens, Jets or Pats. I think the Packers and Bears will give Philly all they can handle as well.

Drek
08-10-2011, 07:58 PM
not enough time to gel. They will do well, but I would put my money on a team like the Steelers, Ravens, Jets or Pats. I think the Packers and Bears will give Philly all they can handle as well.

The Bears strike me as a team that caught a lot of breaks to help create their W-L record last year.

Calvin Johnson's non-TD catch week 1 spotted them their first win and they continued to get more lucky breaks as the season went on. How many times did Forte catch a 5 yard screen pass and turn it into a 60 yard run? Can't really rely on that. Urlacher actually played all last season. First time he's done that in a while. Tons of questions on a roster with no significant improvements in this off-season. The Lions might be a more dangerous team than the Bears this year if Stafford stays healthy.

TheReverend
08-10-2011, 08:29 PM
The Bears strike me as a team that caught a lot of breaks to help create their W-L record last year.

Calvin Johnson's non-TD catch week 1 spotted them their first win and they continued to get more lucky breaks as the season went on. How many times did Forte catch a 5 yard screen pass and turn it into a 60 yard run? Can't really rely on that. Urlacher actually played all last season. First time he's done that in a while. Tons of questions on a roster with no significant improvements in this off-season. The Lions might be a more dangerous team than the Bears this year if Stafford stays healthy.

Considering he only had 1 catch over 30 yards, I'm gonna go with MAYBE once...?

Also, 09 was the only time Urlacher missed a single game in the past 6 years. So, no, it's not "the first time he's done that in a while".

No significant improvements? They quietly had a fantastic draft and FA period... I don't see how you can even say this either...

TheReverend
08-10-2011, 08:30 PM
Ridiculous. Has a team ever brought in as much talent as the Eagles have this year? Particularly a team that was already pretty good like this team? Nnamdi Asomugha, Jason Babin, Ronnie Brown, Anthony Hargrove, Johnnie Lee Higgins, Cullen Jenkins, Derek Landri, Donald Lee, Evan Mathis, Jarrad Page, Chris Wilson, Vince Young, and now Steve Smith.

Reid must FINALLY be feeling the heat :/

That One Guy
08-10-2011, 08:37 PM
Keep in mind the reporting date was of no significance to Chris Johnson. He doesn't get FA after this year anyways so unless he was holding out for a week just to report and then do it again next year, it was entirely expected.

That does mean he is more committed to his holdout than a player that just has one year left on his contract though. For a one year guy, the team can make a "we wont franchise you" concession and the guy will sometimes cave. Here? They wont franchise him 'cause he has another year after this one. I also think he knows he wont have another season like his 2k year so he wants the big bucks before anyone starts asking if he's washed up, if it was his Oline, etc.

Chris
08-10-2011, 09:09 PM
^ QB has my calves

:(

Heyyyyyy Johnny Drama.....





(to be fair it's a curse for many, myself included)

TheReverend
08-10-2011, 09:16 PM
Heyyyyyy Johnny Drama.....





(to be fair it's a curse for many, myself included)

What?

2KBack
08-10-2011, 09:21 PM
Considering he only had 1 catch over 30 yards, I'm gonna go with MAYBE once...?

Also, 09 was the only time Urlacher missed a single game in the past 6 years. So, no, it's not "the first time he's done that in a while".

No significant improvements? They quietly had a fantastic draft and FA period... I don't see how you can even say this either...

well he did have a 90 yarder and a 30 yarder in one game to complete an 11 point comeback.

but indeed...only one over 60 yards

DENVERDUI55
08-11-2011, 06:19 AM
well he did have a 90 yarder and a 30 yarder in one game to complete an 11 point comeback.

but indeed...only one over 60 yards

Picking pepper out of fly sh@t u two.

Aftermath
08-11-2011, 06:23 AM
The Bears strike me as a team that caught a lot of breaks to help create their W-L record last year.

Calvin Johnson's non-TD catch week 1 spotted them their first win and they continued to get more lucky breaks as the season went on. How many times did Forte catch a 5 yard screen pass and turn it into a 60 yard run? Can't really rely on that. Urlacher actually played all last season. First time he's done that in a while. Tons of questions on a roster with no significant improvements in this off-season. The Lions might be a more dangerous team than the Bears this year if Stafford stays healthy.

that was a effing joke

SouthStndJunkie
08-11-2011, 06:55 AM
The Chicago Sun Times suggests that rookie UDFA Dane Sanzenbacher is already "closing the gap" on Earl Bennett to be the Bears' slot receiver.

I knew he would work his way onto a team and impress them.

Glad to see the Bears are recognizing his talent.

TheReverend
08-11-2011, 07:33 AM
The Chicago Sun Times suggests that rookie UDFA Dane Sanzenbacher is already "closing the gap" on Earl Bennett to be the Bears' slot receiver.

I knew he would work his way onto a team and impress them.

Glad to see the Bears are recognizing his talent.

Yup I had heard similar. Also heard Lovie saying Hester has had the best camp out of anyone. So between those two, Knox already being pretty good and Roy Williams, the Bears may finally have some people who can catch a ****ing football Ha!

Beantown Bronco
08-11-2011, 07:41 AM
Getting rid of his boyfriend and safety blanket Olsen will hurt though.

TheReverend
08-11-2011, 07:44 AM
Getting rid of his boyfriend and safety blanket Olsen will hurt though.

I'm not sure I really believe that. He was the 5th leading receiver last year and they're speaking very highly of Kellen Davis and Spaeth. Quite frankly, the two don't have to do much to fill Greg Olsen's production.

2KBack
08-11-2011, 08:10 AM
I'm not sure I really believe that. He was the 5th leading receiver last year and they're speaking very highly of Kellen Davis and Spaeth. Quite frankly, the two don't have to do much to fill Greg Olsen's production.

He had 41 catches on a team where the leading receivers had 51 each and tied for the team lead in Rec TD. That's not exactly an afterthought

TheReverend
08-11-2011, 08:15 AM
He had 41 catches on a team where the leading receivers had 51 each and tied for the team lead in Rec TD. That's not exactly an afterthought

400 yards for a "receiving TE" is the definition of "afterthought".

Nice catch vs Seattle though.

2KBack
08-11-2011, 08:18 AM
400 yards for a "receiving TE" is the definition of "afterthought".

Nice catch vs Seattle though.

His production was certainly down (the Martz factor), but It feels like whenever they really needed a play Olsen was there.

jhns
08-11-2011, 08:21 AM
What?

From the show Entourage.

TheReverend
08-11-2011, 08:24 AM
His production was certainly down (the Martz factor), but It feels like whenever they really needed a play Olsen was there.

Well if that's what it feels like to you, then he was clearly snubbed for "All Pro" last year and the Bears have no hope of replicating his massive 400 yards of production.

2KBack
08-11-2011, 08:27 AM
Well if that's what it feels like to you, then he was clearly snubbed for "All Pro" last year and the Bears have no hope of replicating his massive 400 yards of production.

I'm sure the yardage will be made up for somewhere, but there is something to be said for having a security blanket target you can depend on. Maybe one of those other guys will step into that role...time will tell

HooptyHoops
08-11-2011, 08:33 AM
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Chiefs signed unrestricted former Ravens OT Jared Gaither.

TheReverend
08-11-2011, 08:37 AM
I'm sure the yardage will be made up for somewhere, but there is something to be said for having a security blanket target you can depend on. Maybe one of those other guys will step into that role...time will tell

Security blanket? I repeat, the guy had 400 yards... if that's a "security blanket" then it needs to get washed.

I dunno, I don't understand. What's your end game here? Hoping to show a poor producing "receiving TE" is actually worth something after being unceremoniously dumped by his team for a 3rd round draft pick?

This isn't Antonio Gates... hell, this isn't even Brent Celek

TheReverend
08-11-2011, 08:38 AM
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Chiefs signed unrestricted former Ravens OT Jared Gaither.

If he can pass a physical then it's bull**** that we didn't sign him to ease the Franklin transition.

TonyR
08-11-2011, 08:43 AM
Nnamdi Asomugha, Jason Babin, Ronnie Brown, Anthony Hargrove, Johnnie Lee Higgins, Cullen Jenkins, Derek Landri, Donald Lee, Evan Mathis, Jarrad Page, Chris Wilson, Vince Young, and now Steve Smith.

And I failed to include the acquisition of Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie...

2KBack
08-11-2011, 08:43 AM
Security blanket? I repeat, the guy had 400 yards... if that's a "security blanket" then it needs to get washed.

I dunno, I don't understand. What's your end game here? Hoping to show a poor producing "receiving TE" is actually worth something after being unceremoniously dumped by his team for a 3rd round draft pick?

This isn't Antonio Gates... hell, this isn't even Brent Celek

no end game, I'm not fighting with you. I simply agree with Bean. Olsen served as a security blanket for Cutler. You don't have to make big plays to do that, just be available and on the same page when things get hairy. On a team where trust in his receivers has been shaky at times, that can be pretty important.

SouthStndJunkie
08-11-2011, 08:46 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/11/jaguars-sign-matt-roth/

Jaguars sign Matt Roth

Beantown Bronco
08-11-2011, 08:51 AM
no end game, I'm not fighting with you. I simply agree with Bean. Olsen served as a security blanket for Cutler. You don't have to make big plays to do that, just be available and on the same page when things get hairy. On a team where trust in his receivers has been shaky at times, that can be pretty important.

Yup, in his two years with Cutler he had over 100 catches for over 1000 yds and 13 TDs. Not bad considering he didn't even start 4 of those games and Martz's system didn't feature him as much as it probably should've. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing us get back to that kind of reliable production from our TEs.

TheReverend
08-11-2011, 09:00 AM
no end game, I'm not fighting with you. I simply agree with Bean. Olsen served as a security blanket for Cutler. You don't have to make big plays to do that, just be available and on the same page when things get hairy. On a team where trust in his receivers has been shaky at times, that can be pretty important.

I don't see it. At all. Subpar #s in every category of his "specialty". Poor blocker. Etc.

I just don't see anything he brought to the table that couldn't easily be reproduced or even improved upon.

TheReverend
08-11-2011, 09:01 AM
Yup, in his two years with Cutler he had over 100 catches for over 1000 yds and 13 TDs. Not bad considering he didn't even start 4 of those games and Martz's system didn't feature him as much as it probably should've. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing us get back to that kind of reliable production from our TEs.

Tony "part time" Scheffler crushes him...

jhns
08-11-2011, 09:08 AM
Cutler is entering a point in his career where he doesn't need a security blanket, or team, to win. The guy will win SBs with no talent around him. He is the kind of talent that can carry a team to wins. Along with firing Shanahan, this was easily the biggest mistake in franchise hostory.

Beantown Bronco
08-11-2011, 09:11 AM
Tony "part time" Scheffler crushes him...

If you prefer TEs that catch fewer balls for fewer yards and don't catch TDs.

Gort
08-11-2011, 09:14 AM
Cutler is entering a point in his career where he doesn't need a security blanket, or team, to win. The guy will win SBs with no talent around him. He is the kind of talent that can carry a team to wins. Along with firing Shanahan, this was easily the biggest mistake in franchise hostory.

i thought this was sarcasm until i noticed it was posted by JHNS.

http://www.roflcorner.com/wp-content/gallery/facepalm/facepalm2.jpg

BroncoInferno
08-11-2011, 09:17 AM
Cutler is entering a point in his career where he doesn't need a security blanket, or team, to win. The guy will win SBs with no talent around him. He is the kind of talent that can carry a team to wins. Along with firing Shanahan, this was easily the biggest mistake in franchise hostory.

Hilarious!

jhns
08-11-2011, 09:18 AM
Heimerdinger agrees with me and he coached Cutler in the NFL.

2KBack
08-11-2011, 09:18 AM
No QB in history has won a championship without a good team around him.
As long as the Bears defense continues to give up 17 points a game he will get his shots though.

jhns
08-11-2011, 09:20 AM
No QB in history has won a championship without a good team around him.
As long as the Bears defense continues to give up 17 points a game he will get his shots though.

I meant offensive talent, and he came close last season. It took a bad injury to stop him. Cutler is a vet now though. He is ready to lead.

BroncoInferno
08-11-2011, 09:23 AM
Heimerdinger agrees with me and he coached Cutler in the NFL.

You keep telling us that coaches don't always know what's best, so why should we care what Heimerdinger thinks?

The fact is that the Bears dumbed down their offense last season because Cutler kept throwing up INTs, ruining things for the defense and special teams that were the real reason they had a good season last year. Then he quit on them in the playoffs.

2KBack
08-11-2011, 09:23 AM
I meant offensive talent, and he came close last season. It took a bad injury to stop him. Cutler is a vet now though. He is ready to lead.

oh....so now he is a vet...and going like 5-10 for 70 yards and an int before the injury has nothing to do with not winning last year

TheReverend
08-11-2011, 09:28 AM
If you prefer TEs that catch fewer balls for fewer yards and don't catch TDs.

Or if you just like guys that can exceed Olsen's best season in under half the playing time.

But whatever.

jhns
08-11-2011, 09:28 AM
You keep telling us that coaches don't always know what's best, so why should we care what Heimerdinger thinks?

The fact is that the Bears dumbed down their offense last season because Cutler kept throwing up INTs, ruining things for the defense and special teams that were the real reason they had a good season last year. Then he quit on them in the playoffs.

Ahh, the butthurt of a little girl.

They don't always know whats best. The thing is, I can show you many coaches that say really good things about Cutler. Elway thinks he is the kind of talent you don't give up on. He was sad to see him traded. Shanahan says many good things about Cutler and Shanahan knows QBs. Coaches like McDaniels are the ones that have proven that they don't know what they are doing...

TheReverend
08-11-2011, 09:30 AM
You keep telling us that coaches don't always know what's best, so why should we care what Heimerdinger thinks?

The fact is that the Bears dumbed down their offense last season because Cutler kept throwing up INTs, ruining things for the defense and special teams that were the real reason they had a good season last year. Then he quit on them in the playoffs.

http://lolwut.com/layout/lolwut.jpg

I was going to highlight the dumb part of your post...

but then it all would've been highlighted...

jhns
08-11-2011, 09:31 AM
oh....so now he is a vet...and going like 5-10 for 70 yards and an int before the injury has nothing to do with not winning last year

He played while injured for a while before he came out... It was the fact that he couldn't throw with the injury(hence the numbers) that made his coaches pull him.

He wasn't fully ready last season though. We gave him away at a crucial point in his decelopment. Chicagos crap offensive coaching set him back at first. He is now ready to take over the world.

BroncoInferno
08-11-2011, 09:34 AM
http://lolwut.com/layout/lolwut.jpg

I was going to highlight the dumb part of your post...

but then it all would've been highlighted...

Dispute it then. Why did the Bears start running a more conservative offense in the middle of last season? And why did the results improve once they did so? Yeah, it had absolutely nothing to do with Cutler's penchant for turnovers, did it? Ha!

Beantown Bronco
08-11-2011, 09:35 AM
Or if you just like guys that can exceed Olsen's best season in under half the playing time.

But whatever.

Schef has literally NEVER done that.

jhns
08-11-2011, 09:37 AM
Dispute it then. Why did the Bears start running a more conservative offense in the middle of last season? And why did the results improve once they did so? Yeah, it had absolutely nothing to do with Cutler's penchant for turnovers, did it? Ha!

It never happened. This makes it impossible to say why it happened...

He threw it 40 times in week 17 alone. He had 3+ TDs in four games during the second half of the season. Facts are calling you an idiot.

BroncoInferno
08-11-2011, 09:40 AM
He played while injured for a while before he came out... It was the fact that he couldn't throw with the injury(hence the numbers) that made his coaches pull him.

He wasn't fully ready last season though. We gave him away at a crucial point in his decelopment. Chicagos crap offensive coaching set him back at first. He is now ready to take over the world.

But you say you only care about what the facts on the field are. In the Orton/Tebow debates, according to you, the only thing that matters is that Tebow outproduced Orton in actual games. And you know what? I agree with you. Problem is, regardless of what anyone says about Cutler positive or negative, the results on the field show a guy who hasn't gotten a lot better over the years. In fact, he's probably regressed a bit since he was seperated from Shanny. With Orton, people say that he is to the point of his career where we know what he is, he isn't going to get better. And I agree with that. But Cutler has actually started more games than Orton (68 to 61). Yet, a lot of folks seem to think he can still improve. At what point is it safe to conclude that Cutler is a finished product?

jhns
08-11-2011, 09:45 AM
But you say you only care about what the facts on the field are. In the Orton/Tebow debates, according to you, the only thing that matters is that Tebow outproduced Orton in actual games. And you know what? I agree with you. Problem is, regardless of what anyone says about Cutler positive or negative, the results on the field show a guy who hasn't gotten a lot better over the years. In fact, he's probably regressed a bit since he was seperated from Shanny. With Orton, people say that he is to the point of his career where we know what he is, he isn't going to get better. And I agree with that. But Cutler has actually started more games than Orton (68 to 61). Yet, a lot of folks seem to think he can still improve. At what point is it safe to conclude that Cutler is a finished product?

Orton has been in the league longer. Cutler just went to the NFCCG. Neither of these guys are finished products. I don't say Orton can't improve. It isn't his throwing that I have a problem with. It is his folding every time the going gets tough. Cutler won 8 games with a similar defense as what we had last season. He doesn't fold every time the game is close and even leads comebacks that don't rely on fluke plays... Orton just doesn't have 'it'. If he learns to deal with pressure, he could be pretty good.

BroncoInferno
08-11-2011, 09:46 AM
It never happened. This makes it impossible to say why it happened...

He threw it 40 times in week 17 alone. He had 3+ TDs in four games during the second half of the season. Facts are calling you an idiot.

After their three game losing streak in October, which culminated with Cutler's 4 INT performance against Washington, that was 1 of only 3 games in the final 10 where he threw more than 26 passes. What's that about facts again?

TheReverend
08-11-2011, 09:49 AM
Schef has literally NEVER done that.

Scheffler's 2008 saw more yards and first downs in 7 starts than Olsen's best season.

TheReverend
08-11-2011, 09:51 AM
Dispute it then. Why did the Bears start running a more conservative offense in the middle of last season? And why did the results improve once they did so? Yeah, it had absolutely nothing to do with Cutler's penchant for turnovers, did it? Ha!

You go ahead and show me their "more conservative offense" Ha!

BroncoInferno
08-11-2011, 09:54 AM
You go ahead and show me their "more conservative offense" Ha!

After Cutler's 4 INT game against Washington in October, Chicago was sitting on a 3 game losing streak. After that game, Cutler only threw the ball more than 26 times in 3 out of the final 10 regular season games. With Mike Martz as OC, no less. If you don't think that's conservative, I don't know what to tell you.

Beantown Bronco
08-11-2011, 09:56 AM
Scheffler's 2008 saw more yards and first downs in 7 starts than Olsen's best season.

yawn.

For every cherry picked yards and first downs, I'll see you TDs (BY FAR) and receptions.

Look. All I said was the guy was his security blanket. He was. Sorry that rubs you the wrong way. He had a lot of receptions for Cutler the last two years and was particularly helpful in the redzone. Guys like Schef aren't security blankets because they're never on the field. Does Schef tend to stretch the field better? Sure, I'd concede that. But that's a different argument. It's not a security blanket's job to stretch the field. He's there to rack up receptions and bail out his QB. And Olsen did that quite well IMO.

TheReverend
08-11-2011, 09:57 AM
After Cutler's 4 INT game against Washington in October, Chicago was sitting on a 3 games losing streak. After that game, Cutler only threw the ball more than 26 times in 3 out of the final 10 regular games. With Mike Martz as coach, no less. If you don't think that's conservative, I don't know what to tell you.

So immediately after the 4 INT game when you say they switched to a more conservative offense over the bye week, they come out and have him throw it 30 times on the road and then 35 the following week?

Is that what you're saying?

Or do you just want to come out and say you have no idea what you're talking about?

jhns
08-11-2011, 09:58 AM
After their three game losing streak in October, that was 1 of only 3 games in the final 10 where Cutler threw more than 26 passes. What's that about facts again?

LOL

Wtf? Of course they don't throw it 40 times a game when they are winning games. They have a defense... They weren't playing in shootouts... Tom Brady ran a conservative offense because he only went over 29 throws once after week 10!

3+ TDs in half the games in the second half of the season. As you pointed out, multiple games over 30 passes in that time. This, while on a team with a pretty good defense. Reality just doesn't agree with you. The only reason he threw so much the first few weeks is because he had to lead comebacks and make up for poor defensive play...

TheReverend
08-11-2011, 09:58 AM
yawn.

For every cherry picked yards and first downs, I'll see you TDs (BY FAR) and receptions.

Look. All I said was the guy was his security blanket. He was. Sorry that rubs you the wrong way. He had a lot of receptions for Cutler the last two years and was particularly helpful in the redzone. Guys like Schef aren't security blankets because they're never on the field. Does Schef tend to stretch the field better? Sure, I'd concede that. But that's a different argument. It's not a security blanket's job to stretch the field. He's there to rack up receptions and bail out his QB. And Olsen did that quite well IMO.

Well if he's a security blanket, he's moving the chains, right?

And if you're not tracking the theme of my point that Olsen's best season is comparable production to Tony Scheffler, than I think you're missing the fact that he's completely expendable.

As further proven by the trade...

jhns
08-11-2011, 10:02 AM
After Cutler's 4 INT game against Washington in October, Chicago was sitting on a 3 game losing streak. After that game, Cutler only threw the ball more than 26 times in 3 out of the final 10 regular season games. With Mike Martz as OC, no less. If you don't think that's conservative, I don't know what to tell you.

They never once had a three game losing streak... Cutler didn't even play one and a half October games because his line let him get killed.

Beantown Bronco
08-11-2011, 10:04 AM
Well if he's a security blanket, he's moving the chains, right?

And if you're not tracking the theme of my point that Olsen's best season is comparable production to Tony Scheffler, than I think you're missing the fact that he's completely expendable.

As further proven by the trade...

Jesus Effing Christ Rev. I NEVER said he was irreplaceable. I just said it MIGHT hurt. Losing your starting receiving TE, who has put up some pretty good numbers for you over the past few years, might hurt. That's it. I wasn't trying to post the cure for cancer or something. It was a simple little statement that I didn't expect to blow up into anything more. I was just pointing out that they didn't ONLY gain weapons at receiver. They lost one as well. A fairly significant one IMO. One that Cutler obviously had chemistry with on (and off....yikes) the field.

TheReverend
08-11-2011, 10:10 AM
Jesus Effing Christ Rev. I NEVER said he was irreplaceable. I just said it MIGHT hurt. Losing your starting receiving TE, who has put up some pretty good numbers for you over the past few years, might hurt. That's it. I wasn't trying to post the cure for cancer or something. It was a simple little statement that I didn't expect to blow up into anything more. I was just pointing out that they didn't ONLY gain weapons at receiver. They lost one as well. A fairly significant one IMO. One that Cutler obviously had chemistry with on (and off....yikes) the field.

Ha! I think we're having some miscommunication here. I absolutely get that you don't think he was irreplaceable and not trying to imply you think that. However, my point is that he was 1/8th of the passing game.

1/8th.

And he was a poor scheme fit for Martz.

Quite frankly, not only do I think he was COMPLETELY expendable, but that the offense will improve without him there.

BroncoInferno
08-11-2011, 10:12 AM
So immediately after the 4 INT game when you say they switched to a more conservative offense over the bye week, they come out and have him throw it 30 times on the road and then 35 the following week?

Is that what you're saying?

Or do you just want to come out and say you have no idea what you're talking about?

Care to explain seven straight games between 11/18 and 12/26 when he never threw it more than 26 times? It wasn't like they were blowing out teams every week either. Only two of the wins were by double digits. How is throwing the ball > 26 times NOT conservative in todays NFL?

Jhns is right...they had a great defense, so they played it conservative to reduce the risk of momentum changing turnovers. If they trusted Cutler, why not let him throw it more to put teams away earlier?

BroncoInferno
08-11-2011, 10:17 AM
They never once had a three game losing streak... Cutler didn't even play one and a half October games because his line let him get killed.

You're right...they lost three Cutler starts in a row, 3 out of 4 losses overall. The one game he did not start against Carolina, they won.

TheReverend
08-11-2011, 10:23 AM
Care to explain seven straight games between 11/18 and 12/26 when he never threw it more than 26 times? It wasn't like they were blowing out teams every week either. Only two of the wins were by double digits. How is throwing the ball > 26 times NOT conservative in todays NFL?

Jhns is right...they had a great defense, so they played it conservative to reduce the risk of momentum changing turnovers. If they trusted Cutler, why not let him throw it more to put teams away earlier?

Sweet! So now we're down to a sample size of a month and a week?

And two of those were blowouts in Chicago's favor...

That leaves us with:

Philly - He threw for 4 TDs... don't need more pass attempts when you're scoring like Candy.

@ Detroit - Probably would've thrown more than 26x but he completed 81 ****ing percent of his passes!

NE - They just got completely pimp smacked.

NYJ - He had a 3 TD performance against the Jets defense... and Forte was at 6 ypc. But who needs context, amirite?

Would you like to try again?

BroncoInferno
08-11-2011, 10:23 AM
LOL

Wtf? Of course they don't throw it 40 times a game when they are winning games. They have a defense... They weren't playing in shootouts... Tom Brady ran a conservative offense because he only went over 29 throws once after week 10!

New England was blowing teams out during that stretch. The Pats won all 7 of their games after week 10. Only 2 of those 7 were decided by any less than 13 points. When you have a big lead, obviously you aren't going to throw as much. During Cutler's 7 game stretch of throwing 26 or fewer passes, only 2 of the wins were by double digits. So, that doesn't explain it.

alkemical
08-11-2011, 10:24 AM
Heimerdinger agrees with me and he coached Cutler in the NFL.


You guys talk often?

TheReverend
08-11-2011, 10:24 AM
You're right...they lost three Cutler starts in a row, 3 out of 4 losses overall. The one game he did not start against Carolina, they won.

Wait a second... are you trying to say they won a game against the worst team in football last year without Cutler as evidence to his "poor" value to that team?

LOL

BroncoInferno
08-11-2011, 10:25 AM
Sweet! So now we're down to a sample size of a month and a week?

And two of those were blowouts in Chicago's favor...

That leaves us with:

Philly - He threw for 4 TDs... don't need more pass attempts when you're scoring like Candy.

@ Detroit - Probably would've thrown more than 26x but he completed 81 ****ing percent of his passes!

NE - They just got completely pimp smacked.

NYJ - He had a 3 TD performance against the Jets defense... and Forte was at 6 ypc. But who needs context, amirite?

Would you like to try again?

I never said he didn't play well during that stretch. In fact, I specifically stated that the results improved when he threw less.

alkemical
08-11-2011, 10:25 AM
Ahh, the butthurt of a little girl.

They don't always know whats best. The thing is, I can show you many coaches that say really good things about Cutler. Elway thinks he is the kind of talent you don't give up on. He was sad to see him traded. Shanahan says many good things about Cutler and Shanahan knows QBs. Coaches like McDaniels are the ones that have proven that they don't know what they are doing...

Elway recently said the same thing about Tebow.

BroncoInferno
08-11-2011, 10:28 AM
Wait a second... are you trying to say they won a game against the worst team in football last year without Cutler as evidence to his "poor" value to that team?

LOL

No. Please show me where I stated that that proved anything? I was just clarifying the record.

Also, I never said Cutler was "poor" value for his team, either. However, I do think his value is less than Jhns seems to think it is. Go back and read his original statement that I initially responded to.

TheReverend
08-11-2011, 10:29 AM
I never said he didn't play well during that stretch. In fact, I specifically stated that the results improved when he threw less.

It couldnt possibly be that he threw less CONSIDERING he and the offense were... gasp... start to play better with some experience in the new system?

Why that couldn't possibly be it!

Never mind that he threw 40 times against GB to close out the season. Or that he had another 30+ drop backs against Seattle in the post-season. Clearly this must mean something else!!!!!!!!!11111

TheReverend
08-11-2011, 10:33 AM
No. Please show me where I stated that that proved anything? I was just clarifying the record.

Also, I never said Cutler was "poor" value for his team, either. However, I do think his value is less than Jhns seems to think it is. Go back and read his original statement that I initially responded to.

Yeah your original statement is that they "dumbed down their offense last season because Cutler kept throwing up INTs"

And you literally have ZERO supporting evidence. The game you highlighted as the time of the change, they came out throwing it all over the place the NEXT TWO CONSECUTIVE GAMES.

Find ANYTHING supporting your retarded belief, please.

Until then, here's Martz on Cutler:

Bears offensive coordinator Mike Martz says quarterback Jay Cutler isn’t just going to be good. He’s going to be great.

“He’s going to be in the very elite of this league,” Martz told the Chicago Tribune. “He’s on his way. He’ll be fine.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/27/mike-martz-jay-cutler-will-be-very-elite/

alkemical
08-11-2011, 10:35 AM
Cutler didn't want to be here, and McDaniels made it easy.

'Tis what it is....

We need Kevin Gilbride, or someone from the Bill Cowher offensive coaching tree. Gadget plays for Tebow!

jhns
08-11-2011, 10:38 AM
You guys talk often?

No, but I wish we did. I would love to wish him well in his fight with cancer.

alkemical
08-11-2011, 10:41 AM
No, but I wish we did. I would love to wish him well in his fight with cancer.

Me too. Cancer sucks.

I just was wondering how he agreed with you, if you guys don't speak. 'Tis all.

jhns
08-11-2011, 10:41 AM
You're right...they lost three Cutler starts in a row, 3 out of 4 losses overall. The one game he did not start against Carolina, they won.

Yup, you don't know much about what happened as you continue to make claims. Don't worry, I'm sure you'll get something right, eventually.

TheReverend
08-11-2011, 10:43 AM
Cutler didn't want to be here, and McDaniels made it easy.

'Tis what it is....

We need Kevin Gilbride, or someone from the Bill Cowher offensive coaching tree. Gadget plays for Tebow!

Neither did Orton:

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18583140

But he's "a man" when he asks for a trade because his value is **** compared to Jay's Ha!

jhns
08-11-2011, 10:44 AM
Me too. Cancer sucks.

I just was wondering how he agreed with you, if you guys don't speak. 'Tis all.

Why would we have to speak for him to agree with my opinion? You do know that they interview these guys and put their quotes in articles, right?

alkemical
08-11-2011, 10:46 AM
Why would we have to speak for him to agree with my opinion? You do know that they interview these guys and put their quotes in articles, right?

Just a funny jhns observation.

jhns
08-11-2011, 10:47 AM
Just a funny jhns observation.

Are you ever going to make sense?

alkemical
08-11-2011, 10:50 AM
Are you ever going to make sense?

Nah, I make dollas.

I just find it funny you say someone agrees with you, that you've never had a conversation with - and only citing information in articles. It's a funny observation of how you construct your reality. that's all.

jhns
08-11-2011, 10:52 AM
Nah, I make dollas.

I just find it funny you say someone agrees with you, that you've never had a conversation with - and only citing information in articles. It's a funny observation of how you construct your reality. that's all.

If they say the exact thing I am saying, would you say they don't agree with me? My reality is based on reality. I can see why you have trouble understanding it.

alkemical
08-11-2011, 10:54 AM
If they say the exact thing I am saying, would you say they don't agree with me? My reality is based on reality. I can see why you have trouble understanding it.

LOLZ!

Ok buddy, i'm sure they agree with you.

jhns
08-11-2011, 11:00 AM
LOLZ!

Ok buddy, i'm sure they agree with you.

Here is a nice little roundhouse kick to the face from reality.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1189171/4/index.htm

One of his coaches in Denver, the highly respected offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger—who is now recovering from his second round of chemotherapy after being diagnosed with pancreatic cancer last year—says, "I think he is one of the few guys in this league that can carry a team on his back and win a Super Bowl."

alkemical
08-11-2011, 11:00 AM
Here is a nice little roundhouse kick to the face from reality.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1189171/4/index.htm

One of his coaches in Denver, the highly respected offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger—who is now recovering from his second round of chemotherapy after being diagnosed with pancreatic cancer last year—says, "I think he is one of the few guys in this league that can carry a team on his back and win a Super Bowl."

Well i'm glad you agree with him.

(kicks you in the vag)

BroncoInferno
08-11-2011, 11:03 AM
And you literally have ZERO supporting evidence.

Bull****. A seven game stretch is a significant sample size in a 16 game season. Seven straight games with 26 or fewer pass attempts, and only two of those games were won by double digits.

jhns
08-11-2011, 11:05 AM
Bull****. A seven game stretch is a significant sample size in a 16 game season. Seven straight games with 26 or fewer pass attempts, and only two of those games were won by double digits.

No team, with a real defense, passes a ton when ahead. There is no double digit standard. A QB that throws 3+ TDs, is not playing conservative. You are embarrassing yourself.

bronco militia
08-11-2011, 11:07 AM
LOLZ!

Ok buddy, i'm sure they agree with you.

http://lh5.google.com/EegahInc/R4WtXGSDvTI/AAAAAAAAAR8/oK5dapqm0b4/TheyLive1_thumb%5B4%5D

BroncoInferno
08-11-2011, 11:07 AM
Here is a nice little roundhouse kick to the face from reality.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1189171/4/index.htm

One of his coaches in Denver, the highly respected offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger—who is now recovering from his second round of chemotherapy after being diagnosed with pancreatic cancer last year—says, "I think he is one of the few guys in this league that can carry a team on his back and win a Super Bowl."

It's strange how you are so fond of quoting coaches to support your argument in this debate, but when debating Tebow-Orton you dismiss the notion that John Fox (a long-tenured, successful, well-respected head coach) might know better than you which QB gives the team the best chance to win.

TheReverend
08-11-2011, 11:08 AM
Bull****. A seven game stretch is a significant sample size in a 16 game season. Seven straight games with 26 or fewer pass attempts, and only two of those games were won by double digits.

Maybe you'll try addressing this post now:

Sweet! So now we're down to a sample size of a month and a week?

And two of those were blowouts in Chicago's favor...

That leaves us with:

Philly - He threw for 4 TDs... don't need more pass attempts when you're scoring like Candy.

@ Detroit - Probably would've thrown more than 26x but he completed 81 ****ing percent of his passes!

NE - They just got completely pimp smacked.

NYJ - He had a 3 TD performance against the Jets defense... and Forte was at 6 ypc. But who needs context, amirite?

Would you like to try again?

Not to mention we also have opposing evidence in:

1. More success within the system not necessitating more throwing

2. Historically teams run it more towards the end of the season as weather gets colder.


...but don't let facts get in the way bro!