herm edwards not as bad a coach as we thought?

[tsiguy96]

from everything ive seen, he is not the problem with the chiefs, carl peterson is. if the chiefs got rid of peterson but kept edwards, they would be a MUCH better team.

he coaches his players to win, tries to put them in the best situation to win, but with peterson at the helm of which players are being put on the field, there is only so much he can do. the chiefs have been stuck in a rut of mediocrity for 40 years, peterson has been there for how long of that time?

i like herm's personality, and would be interested to see what happens if they can get rid of king carl and keep him. anyone agree, or am i on crack?

[bronco militia]

from everything ive seen, he is not the problem with the chiefs, carl peterson is. if the chiefs got rid of peterson but kept edwards, they would be a MUCH better team.

he coaches his players to win, tries to put them in the best situation to win, but with peterson at the helm of which players are being put on the field, there is only so much he can do. the chiefs have been stuck in a rut of mediocrity for 40 years, peterson has been there for how long of that time?

i like herm's personality, and would be interested to see what happens if they can get rid of king carl and keep him. anyone agree, or am i on crack?


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[Beantown Bronco]

from everything ive seen, he is not the problem with the chiefs, carl peterson is. if the chiefs got rid of peterson but kept edwards, they would be a MUCH better team.

?

Herm did not have a winning record before he was exposed to the Chiefs or Carl.

[bronco militia]

King Carl hired Marty Schottenheimer and Dick Vermeil..... they didn't have trouble winning games in their 3rd year of coaching Carl's players

[tsiguy96]

King Carl hired Marty Schottenheimer and Dick Vermeil..... they didn't have trouble winning games in their 3rd year of coaching Carl's players

but they were both very good coaches before going to the chiefs, herm was basically .500 at NYJ, who also have sucked indefinitely.

[400HZ]

"What we've done well is we survived. We got into that 0-2 wreck again, but we had our seat belts on, and we got out of the car, took it to the auto shop, knocked out the dents, and we're starting to roll again."
-Herm in week 4, when the Chiefs sat at 2-2 after beating the Chargers. KC finished 4-12


"I go with my gut. Your gut always tells you whats right."
-Herm, perhaps explaining why the Chiefs finished 4-12


"It's a bad box to be in, because eventually I'm going to run you out of here."
-Herm describing his "tolerance box"


"I'm a very patient man. But I'm also patient in the fact there are two sides of me. I'm patient with you, and then I put you in the tolerance category. When you get put in the tolerance category, I'll tolerate you until I can replace you."
-Herm


"There are a lot of things other teams are doing that we'd like to do."
-Herm


"Would we like to do some different things? Sure. If I'm somebody else, then maybe I do it differently. But I know what I am right now."
-Herm


"When you play the game, the players have to make plays."
-Herm


"That's how you end up winning."
-Herm


"People aren't used to this [losing] in Kansas City. Get over it, it happens, it's called life."
-Herm


"Am I glad it's over? Yes, I'm glad it's over."
-Herm after the 2007 season ended


"Here's the concern: In our society now, so many things come up on Web sites and Internet. First of all, I don't even have the Internet. I wouldn't even know how to use it."
-Herm

[Kaylore]

Herm ran the Jets into the ground. Now he's running the Chiefs into the ground. I'd love to know what evidence there is that Herm is a good coach. He has to keep a specialist on hand to tell him not to waste time outs to ice the kicker on the kick off. Oh wait, that guys is coaching their QB's now. Brilliant.

I definitely agree that Carl Peterson is another part of the problem, but they could have a real FO and their team would still suck because its Herm.

[crazyhorse]

from everything ive seen, he is not the problem with the chiefs, carl peterson is. if the chiefs got rid of peterson but kept edwards, they would be a MUCH better team.

he coaches his players to win, tries to put them in the best situation to win, but with peterson at the helm of which players are being put on the field, there is only so much he can do. the chiefs have been stuck in a rut of mediocrity for 40 years, peterson has been there for how long of that time?

i like herm's personality, and would be interested to see what happens if they can get rid of king carl and keep him. anyone agree, or am i on crack?

You're on crack.:P

Edwards is awful. It's not just Peterson but a combination of the two that has us where we are. Edwards can't manage a football game to save his life. He is so afraid of his own offense that he cant bring himself to be agressive. Reguardless the score. I saw it with the Jets when they made the playoffs. I see it now.

Edwards only compounds Petersons mistakes. I feel like we have talent if we had a coach. Not just the head coach either. Both line coaches are striking out big time. So I put more blame on Edwards than Peterson. Peterson has assembled some good teams over the years. He just hasn't seen results from it. We were much better than mediocre through the 90's.

Just my opinion.

[tsiguy96]

You're on crack.:P

Edwards is awful. It's not just Peterson but a combination of the two that has us where we are. Edwards can't manage a football game to save his life. He is so afraid of his own offense that he cant bring himself to be agressive. Reguardless the score. I saw it with the Jets when they made the playoffs. I see it now.

Edwards only compounds Petersons mistakes. I feel like we have talent if we had a coach. Not just the head coach either. Both line coaches are striking out big time. So I put more blame on Edwards than Peterson. Peterson has assembled some good teams over the years. He just hasn't seen results from it. We were much better than mediocre through the 90's.

Just my opinion.

touche salesman. ill buy that for a dollar.

[ColoradoDarin]

I don't think he's a good coach, but I there is something I just like about Herm. "You play to win the game" line when he was sucking with the Jets is a classic.

[Orange_Beard]

If Carl is the real problem, Ahhh didn't he hire HERM?

[Smiling Assassin27]

Herm's place is as a coordinator. He's chock full of the rah-rah crap and played a sizeable part in the Bucs defenses of the past. If he has to gameplan, manage a team, make personnel decisions, and/or perform technical tasks above mopping a floor, he's lost.

[ludo21]

he seems to get his players hyped to play. Thats where it ends tho.

I hope him and Carl are in KC for as long as they want.

[Beantown Bronco]

I hope him and Carl are in KC for as long as they want.

You really think they WANT to be there? :)

[KCStud]

Herm ran the Jets into the ground. Now he's running the Chiefs into the ground. I'd love to know what evidence there is that Herm is a good coach. He has to keep a specialist on hand to tell him not to waste time outs to ice the kicker on the kick off. Oh wait, that guys is coaching their QB's now. Brilliant.

I definitely agree that Carl Peterson is another part of the problem, but they could have a real FO and their team would still suck because its Herm.

Herm can draft players. No question there. He just can't coach them or formulate a gameplan, no less make adjustments

[Punisher]

Herm can take a average team to the playoffs and take a below average team to a top 5 pick....

[KCStud]

DV was the one who started running KC into the ground. Herm arrived in a hell hole already.

When Herm arrived, KC was an extremely old team with no players to take over. DV's drafts were so pathetic that it screwed the whole team up.

Ryan Sims, Junior Siavii, Eddie Freeman, Eric Downing, etc were horrible draft picks.

DV's best draft pick was a PUNTER. And DV did not want DJ. Neither did he want Allen. He wanted Thomas Davis.

I think Herm has done a good job at getting talent into KC.

Page, Pollard, Bowe, Albert, Flowers, Carr and Savage are examples of good picks he has made. He scratched on Croyle, but the rest are coming into play.

They just need better coaching.

[crazyhorse]

DV was the one who started running KC into the ground. Herm arrived in a hell hole already.

When Herm arrived, KC was an extremely old team with no players to take over. DV's drafts were so pathetic that it screwed the whole team up.

Ryan Sims, Junior Siavii, Eddie Freeman, Eric Downing, etc were horrible draft picks.

DV's best draft pick was a PUNTER. And DV did not want DJ. Neither did he want Allen. He wanted Thomas Davis.

I think Herm has done a good job at getting talent into KC.

Page, Pollard, Bowe, Albert, Flowers, Carr and Savage are examples of good picks he has made. He scratched on Croyle, but the rest are coming into play.

They just need better coaching.

Allen was DVs pick. He said he had to "stand on table" to get Carl to draft him. Dont make it up as you go.

[Merlin]

Allen was DVs pick. He said he had to "stand on table" to get Carl to draft him. Dont make it up as you go.
Until I see his draft choices performing, I'll also consider Herm's picks to be mediocre. He turned a decent NYJ team into a bottom feeder, and now has turned a 10-6 team into a bottom feeder. Some may argue it is not the players but the coach. I agree the coach stinks, I'm just not that sure his picks don't stink as well.

PS my critique is obviously not directed at CH's comments, but rather one of the previous posts. Quoting CH's post was just more expedient.

BTW CH, how far are you along with the car?

[Kaylore]

Allen was DVs pick. He said he had to "stand on table" to get Carl to draft him. Dont make it up as you go.

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[crazyhorse]

Until I see his draft choices performing, I'll also consider Herm's picks to be mediocre. He turned a decent NYJ team into a bottom feeder, and now has turned a 10-6 team into a bottom feeder. Some may argue it is not the players but the coach. I agree the coach stinks, I'm just not that sure his picks don't stink as well.

BTW CH, how far are you along with the car?

Herm left some good draft picks when he left NY. I believe he can probably draft defense, decent. When he left NY they started winning with those players.

The car is coming along. Just shot the paint yesterday

[Beantown Bronco]

Herm left some good draft picks when he left NY. I believe he can probably draft defense, decent. When he left NY they started winning with those players.

The car is coming along. Just shot the paint yesterday

If he got fired in the offseason, I'd have no problem with the Broncos paying him a ridiculous sum of money to help run their scouting/draft room. Let the Goodmans handle offense and let him handle the defensive picks.

[Merlin]

I believe he can probably draft defense, decent...The car is coming along. Just shot the paint yesterday
Good point, not great, but at least decent...which would appear to be more than can be said of Denver's D choices (at least for now).

The car is coming along. Nice choice of colors. Am I correct in assuming the engine is finished? I seem to remember an avatar of a finished engine.

[Merlin]

Let the Goodmans handle offense and let him handle the defensive picks.
Are you ready to conclude they don't know how to draft D? I just don't know any better. Did they have a hand in our previous choices or were they driven by Bates and his system?

[Kaylore]

Tsiguy, what is it about Herm that makes you believe he can coach?

[Beantown Bronco]

Are you ready to conclude they don't know how to draft D? I just don't know any better. Did they have a hand in our previous choices or were they driven by Bates and his system?

Whether it's been the Goodmans, Bates, or some other silent partner, whomever has been responsible for the last 5+ years of drafting defenders has largely dropped the ball big time and needs to give it up to someone else. Aside from Dumervil and (most likely, but still too early to fully grade) M. Thomas, pretty much every selection makes me want to vomit.

And how tough was it to really scout a guy like Dumervil, who led the NCAA in sacks. Anyone could've told you that without watching one second of film. It wasn't like he was some unknown gem. He simply fell down draft boards because of his size, not because of what he did on the field.

They need to find someone who can draft defensive players before this next draft.....because we all know that pretty much this whole draft will be focused on that side of the ball.

[KCStud]

Allen was DVs pick. He said he had to "stand on table" to get Carl to draft him. Dont make it up as you go.

Allen was NOT DV's pick. Gunther was the one who wanted Allen

[crazyhorse]

Good point, not great, but at least decent...which would appear to be more than can be said of Denver's D choices (at least for now).

The car is coming along. Nice choice of colors. Am I correct in assuming the engine is finished? I seem to remember an avatar of a finished engine.

Yep. All done on the motor. Need interior, some door hardware, and a windshield and it will be a done deal.

[crazyhorse]

Allen was NOT DV's pick. Gunther was the one who wanted Allen

Okee dokee. If I weren't certain and heard it from DVs own mouth then I would not have argued the point. You have every right not to take my word for it.

Several years ago DV was asked if there was ever a player he had to fight for. I believe it was in a Steve Sabol interview, I could be wrong about that. It may have been an interview with someone else. But I clearly remember him saying that Allen was that player.

The exact term was "I had to stand on the table to get Allen drafted".

[nickademus]

from everything ive seen, he is not the problem with the chiefs, carl peterson is. if the chiefs got rid of peterson but kept edwards, they would be a MUCH better team.

he coaches his players to win, tries to put them in the best situation to win, but with peterson at the helm of which players are being put on the field, there is only so much he can do. the chiefs have been stuck in a rut of mediocrity for 40 years, peterson has been there for how long of that time?

i like herm's personality, and would be interested to see what happens if they can get rid of king carl and keep him. anyone agree, or am i on crack?


Did you miss what happened in New York? Crack is a very unforgiving drug I really hope you still have all of your teeth.

[chaz]

I like Herm...always have. He has nothing to work with in KC though

[Bronx33]

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[Florida_Bronco]

Car is looking great Crazy!

Do you still have your 05 GT and the 96-98 Cobra?

[crazyhorse]

Car is looking great Crazy!

Do you still have your 05 GT and the 96-98 Cobra?

Stiill have the 05. My son now has the 97 Cobra. Both still in my garage. Both still look like they're new. We love our ponies around here. My son just bought a new Spec 2+ cluch, lightweight pressue plate and billet alum. flywheel. Guess he'll be putting that in this weekend. He takes good care of it.

[Florida_Bronco]

Glad to hear it Crazy.

One of these days I'd like to tear into my GT and get it looking new again, but just don't have the money for it right now.

Good choice on the Spec 2 clutch. My friend has one in his 04 GT and it's a nice street/strip clutch.

[Br0nc0Buster]

I live in Kansas, I have seen every Chiefs game the past several years.

Herm Edwards is an awful head coach, arguably the worst in the league. I am not kidding when I say he is not smart enough to coach an elite highshool team, much less a team in the NFL.

His philosophy is so outdated everyone knows when what plays the Chiefs are going to run and when.

Does anyone think it is a coincidence EVERY SINLGE qb the guy has gets hurt?
It is because his schemes are so predictible the defense gets to tee off on his qbs

[MechanicalBull]

Living in NY I have seen every Jet game that Herm has coached and he was horrible then and horrible now. I know Vermeil handed him the job in KC but I don't see what people see in him.

He never "plays to win the game" he always plays not to lose the game. He was 2 games under .500 in his Jet tenure and 10 games under in KC. Yet pepole like him and Norv Turner continue to get job after job in the NFL when all they do is lose for the most part.

[azbroncfan]

How did Herm's Jets smoke INDY 41-3 or something around that score can't remember exactly? Defense must of scored 30 pts.

[azbroncfan]

Herm's rah rah high school cliche pep rally crap doesn't get it done with professional athletes. They have to get sick of hearing his crap he spats out.

[footstepsfrom#27]

What's wrong with the ownership of this team that they'd leave a guy in the GM role for 18 years who has done nothing special to win? Edwards sucks and so does Peterson but the ownership is the real issue.