pass interference on Marshall

[TonyR]

Perhaps this has been discussed, and if so I apologize and you can ignore the post and move on, but I haven't seen/heard much about it and it's still nagging at me. That was a huge play in the game. IIRC it was in the first quarter and we were down 6-0, but I could be wrong here. Anyway, my recollection is that we move the ball on that drive and put up some points it's a completely different game (one of many "incidents" that were pivotal in this respect). It was third and long and that play was a pretty big gain and may have gotten things rolling.
But here's my question: Where the hell did that call come from? Was there any basis for it whatsover? I recall Marshall got hit coming off the line of scrimmage and he was physical with the corner, but there was no noticeable contact after that. Also odd was that Marshall didn't seem to react or protest to the call that was shown on the broadcast. So, what am I missing here?

[elsid13]

you didn't miss anything. It was bad call.

[The MVPlaya]

He probably didn't process exactly what happened...

Don't worry, when they rewatch the film he'll know that was a BS call.

[broncofan2438]

That was a crap call, I almost threw my beer at the TV!

[Punisher]

Very gay call

[Taco John]

This call is part of why I think immaturity was a big part of our problems on Monday. I think a more mature team would have been able to regain their focus after that kind of error by the officials.

[BroncoMan4ever]

i am thinking that the officials are ****ing us over due to getting a couple calls early in the season.

[Los Broncos]

Was it beyond 5 yards? I don't think so..

[tsiguy96]

Was it beyond 5 yards? I don't think so..

the play was a 20 yard reception by marshall.

[Bronco Yoda]

the play was a 20 yard reception by marshall.

If I recall correctly the contact was near the LOS.

[tsiguy96]

ohh, yea he hit the hell out of the corner at the line. tahts waht happens at the line, people hit each other.

[SouthStndJunkie]

It was a bad call, but the way the Broncos played, it would have made little difference in the overall outcome of the game.

[Atwater His Ass]

It was a bad call, but the way the Broncos played, it would have made little difference in the overall outcome of the game.

Perhpas, but it was a drive killer. The play was important when it occured. The next play I believe we ran a give up draw to Pittman and then we punted from deep in our own territory.

Was this the same punt return Welker took back about 40 yards after they "picked up" the flag for the illegal block? I think it was.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Perhpas, but it was a drive killer. The play was important when it occured. The next play I believe we ran a give up draw to Pittman and then we punted from deep in our own territory.

Was this the same punt return Welker took back about 40 yards after they "picked up" the flag for the illegal block? I think it was.

So we lose 34-7 instead.

We can't blame a bad call on a 34 point loss.

We got our asses handed to us in every way, shape, and form.

[Los Broncos]

the play was a 20 yard reception by marshall.

Was the contact beyond 5 yards I meant.

[cabronco]

So we lose 34-7 instead.

We can't blame a bad call on a 34 point loss.

We got our asses handed to us in every way, shape, and form.


If the bad call wasnt even called, there was a possibility the Offense could move down the fiield to score a TD. Who knows how the game would of developed after that. Maybe after scoring we kick off and Pats player fumbles the ball. We recover and score again. Now the whole complexion/ momentum of the game has changed. A game can turn on a single play. I dont buy arguments that the game & score would play out the same if a critical play/ penalty didnt happen.

[Atwater His Ass]

So we lose 34-7 instead.

We can't blame a bad call on a 34 point loss.

We got our asses handed to us in every way, shape, and form.

You should try reading what you're responding too sometime.

[SouthStndJunkie]

You should try reading what you're responding too sometime.

I did.

Not sure why you are being so defensive. I am simply giving my opinion.

I am just not going to cry over a missed call or two in a game where we did not even show up.

[Jason in LA]

From what I remember there was no contact while the ball was in the air. So how can it be PI. The contact was within five yards of the LOS, and the DB made contact with Marshall, who pretty much tossed him out of the way. That is legal.

I wouldn't make the argument that the play would have changed the game. Maybe the Broncos score and it's a different game. Or maybe the Broncos turn the ball over again. Chances are they still lose. But it was a crap call. Makes me wonder what the hell is going on with these calls against the Broncos.

[Atwater His Ass]

I did.

Not sure why you are being so defensive. I am simply giving my opinion.

I am just not going to cry over a missed call or two in a game where we did not even show up.

No you really didn't. I never blamed the game on this one call. I never said nor implied we would have won or even been competitve with this one call. I only noted that at the time the call occured, the game was not out of hand and it had a large impact on the scope of the game as it currently stood.

[SouthStndJunkie]

No doubt it was a horrible call, Jason....and it really screwed us on that drive.

With our defense, we would have needed about 15 more plays just like that one to have a chance.

The 2 fumbles by Hall are the 2 plays that really set the tone for the game.

That penalty was just a flick to the nose compared to those 2 momentum killers.

[SouthStndJunkie]

No you really didn't. I never blamed the game on this one call. I never said nor implied we would have won or even been competitve with this one call. I only noted that at the time the call occured, the game was not out of hand and it had a large impact on the scope of the game as it currently stood.

Settle down, Beavis.

I have moved on.

[Atwater His Ass]

Or you could just learn to read before you post.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Or you could just learn to read before you post.

Or you could just learn to let things go.

[Atwater His Ass]

Or you could just learn to let things go.

Not when I see someone make a stupid post about a point I specifically left out of my post in the first place.

I'm sure you're a great guy and all that, but your inital response was ignorant to the point I was making. I generally call those out when I see them. Just because you got called on it, you think it'd be easier to act like nothing happened.

[SouthStndJunkie]

I am not going to argue about this trivial matter.

I just hope I can recover from you 'calling me out'.

[broncocalijohn]

i am thinking that the officials are ****ing us over due to getting a couple calls early in the season.

No, they just suck all around like most. Hochuli is actually a pretty good ref. I am not sure about the last two crews. Moss is the master at the push off (especially in the endzone) , but with that , he has been flagged many times on offensive pass interference. Two bogus calls of PI on both sides of the ball during the last two weeks. Many said that bad and good calls balance out. Not sure if it would have mattered this game, but there is a big problem.

[Hoosier Bronco]

Bad call, no doubt. If you watch the play, Marshall put his arm out on the CB and his hand is on the shoulder pad of the defender. This is the moment before he catches the ball. Very ticky tack call.....I agree broncocalijohn, Moss would never get called for that.

[Peoples Champ]

i am thinking that the officials are ****ing us over due to getting a couple calls early in the season.


We only got 1 call against SD. That is costing us mutliple calls in future games. I almost would have rather lost to SD if it meant we werent going to get tagged in many other games.

[Garcia Bronco]

What the ref called was that Marshall had punched the defender in the head. Specifically in the chin. I think it was a BS call. It's effing football. When guys run the swing their arms and the fact that it caught dumbass on the chin is the cost of doing business oin the football.

[Garcia Bronco]

Bad call, no doubt. If you watch the play, Marshall put his arm out on the CB and his hand is on the shoulder pad of the defender. This is the moment before he catches the ball. Very ticky tack call.....I agree broncocalijohn, Moss would never get called for that.

That's not why the ref threw the flag. The ball was not in the air and contact is allowed five yards from the LOS.

[Beantown Bronco]

That's not why the ref threw the flag. The ball was not in the air and contact is allowed five yards from the LOS.

Read his post again. He said "right before he caught the ball". He's not talking about the original jam at the line of scrimmage.

[Beantown Bronco]

What the ref called was that Marshall had punched the defender in the head. Specifically in the chin. I think it was a BS call. It's effing football. When guys run the swing their arms and the fact that it caught dumbass on the chin is the cost of doing business oin the football.

I'm not sure where you're coming up with this one. That was not mentioned in the ref's explanation of the play.

If that was the case, then it would've been an unsportsmanlike call or an unnecessary roughness call...intentional or not. It would not have been an offensive pass interference call.

[Kaylore]

The backbreaker was Jamie Winborn's facemask. They were buried in their own territory and we were only down 6. We return the punt and score there and we're in the game. I knew after that call they were going to score.

[Ramathorn]

So we lose 34-7 instead.

We can't blame a bad call on a 34 point loss.

We got our asses handed to us in every way, shape, and form.

I second that. We looked like what come out of the rear end of miles!

[broncosteven]

That was a crap call, I almost threw my beer at the TV!

I threw 2 pillows at the floor near the TV after the Winborn PF on 3rd and 17.

I wasn't mad at the offical, I was mad at Winborn for drawing it.

[El Guapo]

I threw a couple couch pillows on the floor after the Marshall call and stomped around, and then when hall fumbled I threw the remote at the pillow. After that I drank.

[TonyR]

I'm not sure where you're coming up with this one. That was not mentioned in the ref's explanation of the play.


I was thinking the same thing. Not only was this not the call but I also didn't see this contact he speaks of at that point of the play.

[mr007]

I rewound that play at least 10 times, cursing each time. Marshall completely owned the DB at the LOS and there was no contact after 5 yards that I could see in any way. The ref threw the flag while Marshall had separation and well after the intial contact. The call was ridiculous and frustrating. Who knows how the game would have went from there, we probably would have still gotten our asses handed to us, but you never know... momentum could have definitely swung our way.

[WolfpackGuy]

Totally bogus call!

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[SportinOne]

We didn't get ourselves a chance to win that game, but neither did the refs. To overcome the horse**** calls they were making we would have had to play perfect football and it just didn't happen. complete mockery of our franchise.. if we are truly ****ed without Bailey then fine, protect Jay and get this season over with. Another set of high picks and a GOOD set of free agents and we might be able to shore up the defense. But that means not only going after players like Abraham and Kearny, but actually signing them!!!!!

[Garcia Bronco]

Read his post again. He said "right before he caught the ball". He's not talking about the original jam at the line of scrimmage.

That was right before he caught the ball.

[Garcia Bronco]

I'm not sure where you're coming up with this one. That was not mentioned in the ref's explanation of the play.

If that was the case, then it would've been an unsportsmanlike call or an unnecessary roughness call...intentional or not. It would not have been an offensive pass interference call.

He couldn't call that either. He called the only thing he could. Like I said we got job, but it's the reason dip**** called it.

[Beantown Bronco]

That was right before he caught the ball.

? The jam WAS NOT right before the catch.

Baby steps.......the ball was snapped.....the jam at the line occurred.....Marshall ran 15 or so yards downfield.....broke for the sideline....caught the ball.

The call on the field was for an offensive pushoff that occurred after he broke for the sideline and just before he caught the ball. Marshall slightly extended his arms and did a "soft" pushoff. It never gets called, but it did here.

Forget about what happened at the line of scrimmage. That was a jam. That action was all completely legal and was NOT the reason the flag was called.

Why is this so difficult to see?

[vancejohnson82]

I was at the game in New England and I'll tell you that the call right there changed the whole game...

we moved the ball twice before that and that was a BIG play...the interference gets called and the stadium let out a collective sigh of relief...HUGE call

not to mention the facemask in teh endzone....which was the right call

[Beantown Bronco]

I was at the game in New England

Too cool to tailgate with fellow OManers? I see how it is. :pimp:

[vancejohnson82]

damnit!!! i wish i knew people were there

i spent hours being threatened and harrassed...would have been nice to have some support for a few hours....not to mention i needed to hop on someones grill and nobody would let me

somebody put their cigarrette out on my Champ jersey too....really sucks

[Beantown Bronco]

Yikes - That does suck.

Be sure to check out the tailgate forum next time.

[vancejohnson82]

yea....i just noticed that it applies to away games as well....

damnit....

I'll never get the image of that Pats defense dancing during the TV timeout out of my head....Young Jeezy's "Put On" is a soiled musical piece for me now

[Garcia Bronco]

? The jam WAS NOT right before the catch.

Baby steps.......the ball was snapped.....the jam at the line occurred.....Marshall ran 15 or so yards downfield.....broke for the sideline....caught the ball.

The call on the field was for an offensive pushoff that occurred after he broke for the sideline and just before he caught the ball. Marshall slightly extended his arms and did a "soft" pushoff. It never gets called, but it did here.

Forget about what happened at the line of scrimmage. That was a jam. That action was all completely legal and was NOT the reason the flag was called.

Why is this so difficult to see?

The only contact was the jam and that's what they were calling.

[Beantown Bronco]

The only contact was the jam and that's what they were calling.

Nope. Watch the play again if you can. Technically just before the ball hits Marshall's hands near the sideline, you can clearly see Marshall's arm extended away from his body and his hand touching the shoulder pad of the DB. It is not a blatant push off, but he does create a little tiny bit of separation at the very end of the play.

[originalsultan]

The call stank, just like a number of 'non-calls' that should have been made on the Patriots. E.g. Moss pushing off in the end-zone, at least 1 or 2 holding penalties in the 1st half, the block in the back on the punt return, etc. It seemed as if the refs started calling all of those unsportsmanlike conduct penalties on the Patriots in the 2nd half out of sympathy for screwing the Broncos up to that point. But by then the game was out of reach.

The PI call came at a crucial time when the game was still in doubt. The Patriots might have won anyway but I think it would have been closer, maybe much closer.