Bailey blues: Boss done for season, Champ at least a month

[wolf754life]

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/oct/21/bailey-blues-boss-done-season-champ-least-month/

Boss is officially "damaged goods" microfracture...............................for a fast finesse linebacker.............game over.1

[cutthemdown]

What did I say when we signed Bailey? What did Wolf say when we signed Bailey? SOFT SOFT player who won't help one bit. Boss was another waste of a FA move.

[24champ]

Champ will probably miss more than a month.

[cutthemdown]

You will now see the worst secondary to ever take the field for an NFL team.

Broncos lose a ton of games now. The only solace is that the AFC west is a laughingstock and we can still win division. Highly unlikely though IMO. Chargers will take us in the end.

[Br0nc0Buster]

Wow, couldnt even make it half a season

Lets see Niko sucks
Boss cant stay healthy
Colbert sucks
Jackson cant stay healthy

yeah who ever is in charge of FA needs to swiftly kicked in the shin

[RhymesayersDU]

Well, for Champ, that might only mean 3 games. At least we have our bye now.

Boss is a pansy.

[TheReverend]

Good news, IMO, WWIII should be getting more playing time... especially hitting the field in the 3-4 alignment, maybe even impressing enough to take the Sam job from Winborn.

[MABroncoFan]

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_10777987

[SouthStndJunkie]

We are so screwed without Champ.

[HEAV]

****! This is huge, huge, huge loss.


Niko should be starting MLB. May have to scrap the 3-4 hybrid also...

[Ratboy]

This is depressing.

Can we talk about the draft?

[footstepsfrom#27]

Top 10 draft pick on the way...where are you SoCal?

[footstepsfrom#27]

Well at least we get to see what JMFW and WWIII can do now.

[ludo21]

Either get Niko on the field now and move Webster over, or WOOOOODYARD!!!

I just like the hype on the kid and I hope he gets some action. O ya, and LArsen please

Our secondary is screwed!!!!!!

[Popps]

Our secondary is screwed!!!!!!

We really are.

Maybe Williams will show something, but this is obviously very bad.

[Play2win]

This is depressing.

Can we talk about the draft?

Yeah, I hope we draft Ray Maualuga... That would go a long way to fixing our D (at least to some degree)

[Ratboy]

We really are.

Maybe Williams will show something, but this is obviously very bad.

Not only will they throw at Bly at will, they have the whole other field now too. We need to be in panic mode.l

[BroncoMan4ever]

i am going to continue to hold out hope for us this season. i am hoping over the bye that we straighten some **** out.

[Ray Finkle]

In the words of Ralphie....OH FUDGE!

[Play2win]

Either get Niko on the field now and move Webster over, or WOOOOODYARD!!!

I just like the hype on the kid and I hope he gets some action. O ya, and LArsen please

Our secondary is screwed!!!!!!

Larsen, ATV, WOODSHED... Lets see what they got!!!

[BroncoMan4ever]

Not only will they throw at Bly at will, they have the whole other field now too. We need to be in panic mode.l

we are going to get torched in an unbelievable fashion while Champ is gone. we thought we sucked with Champ, we are going to go from allowing 30 a game to allowing 45-50 a game.

[HEAV]

Larsen is busy play fullback...


As for corner play... need a pass rush more than ever now... toast baby, toast.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Larsen, ATV, WOODSHED... Lets see what they got!!!

i say bring in all the young guys. our safeties suck, get the young guys (Barrett and Rogers) in there and see what they have, might work for the better because they are faster and can tackle better than what we have out ther now. woodyard had better start seeing the field hopefully in Boss' now empty position. Bring in Larsen, or Niko to take over for Nate. they won't be flashy but they will tackle and handle their responsibilities, plus no more seeing Nate act like a douche when he makes a play right after getting burned on the 3 plays before.
lets see what we have in Crowder and Moss now. get them in the rotation a lot.

[snowspot66]

Yeah we all had big hopes for the FA's but honestly did we really expect them to be All-Pro? There's a reason we we're quiet with the FA's in the offseason and this is that reason. They rarely work out and have been colossal disasters for us in the past. If anything we should be ecstatic that we only signed them as stop gap measures in positions we were concerned about.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Larsen is busy play fullback...


As for corner play... need a pass rush more than ever now... toast baby, toast.

send him back to the defensive side of the ball and get the best hands on the team (hillis) back on the damn field

[HEAV]

send him back to the defensive side of the ball and get the best hands on the team (hillis) back on the damn field

Not to mention Hillis can run with the ball!

[yerner]

wow. talk about a season turning to crap in a hurry. too bad for boss. he seems to play well when he's available. it just shows how much of a freak occurance a long career in the league is. its not as if these are injuries boss could play thru. his body just let him down.

[Broncos4Life]

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/oct/21/bailey-blues-boss-done-season-champ-least-month/

Boss is officially "damaged goods" microfracture...............................for a fast finesse linebacker.............game over.1

Why doesn't he just call it a career. sheesh!

[Popps]

Why doesn't he just call it a career. sheesh!

He did... we just padded his retirement account for him.

What a joke.

[DeusExManning]

Sign Ty Law

[cutthemdown]

wow. talk about a season turning to crap in a hurry. too bad for boss. he seems to play well when he's available. it just shows how much of a freak occurance a long career in the league is. its not as if these are injuries boss could play thru. his body just let him down.

Boss? played well? haven't you seen him being out of position, over running plays, missing tackles?

[HEAV]

Sign Ty Law

I was just thinking the same thing. But what does he have left? Is it just his name, or does he have value to offer... I don't know.

Plus a pass rush would make things easier on the corners.

[yerner]

Boss? played well? haven't you seen him being out of position, over running plays, missing tackles?

wow, original analysis. he played okay. he can cover some. played as well as anyone else. christ, get over it. they're still over 500.

[ludo21]

I was just thinking the same thing. But what does he have left? Is it just his name, or does he have value to offer... I don't know.

Plus a pass rush would make things easier on the corners.


He is physical at the line, that would be a boost right now

[cutthemdown]

wow, original analysis. he played okay. he can cover some. played as well as anyone else. christ, get over it. they're still over 500.

Well I said all those things about him and that he was soft when we signed him? Let me guess you called it an upgrade? So yeah some of us were original unlike people like you that are only now getting it.

[24champ]

That foxworth trade looks great now...


::)

[telluride]

Sad developments all around.

That said, it does make the future a little more clear. Boss: gone. Champ: get him healthy, then move him. We won't contend as a defense within his usable window, and anything we get from him would be gravy.

[MowrMowr]

That foxworth trade looks great now...


::)

EXACTLY my thoughts....

[yerner]

Well I said all those things about him and that he was soft when we signed him? Let me guess you called it an upgrade? So yeah some of us were original unlike people like you that are only now getting it.

getting what dude? the guy was playing better than anyone we had with a sprained ankle. he didn't play well some games, others he did. his injury is a real thing that takes him out of the game. it has nothing to do with him be soft. no one can play when he is legit injured. and i didn't really have an opinion about boss before he came here. i don't pretend to be a ****ing scout.

[Ratboy]

Sad developments all around.

That said, it does make the future a little more clear. Boss: gone. Champ: get him healthy, then move him. We won't contend as a defense within his usable window, and anything we get from him would be gravy.

You're insane. Trading Champ would be the worst thing this team could ever do. I would officially go for Shanahan's head personally.

[BroncoDoug]

This whole thing just makes me sick. This is starting to become the season from hell.

[Los Broncos]

Champ out for a month? that hurts, now we need to score every possession.

[CBF1]

We are so screwed without Champ.


Call me carzy, But we were screwed with Champ..only to get even worse if that is even possible.

[Los Broncos]

Call me carzy, But we were screwed with Champ..only to get even worse if that is even possible.

It goes from teams scoring on us most of the time to them scoring every time they have the ball, shessh.

[CBF1]

The sky just fell

[Popps]

That foxworth trade looks great now...


::)

Foxworth just looked horrible every time he got a chance. He was getting eaten alive by 3rd stringers in the pre-season. I'm not saying I wouldn't take him right now, but at least this way we get a look at a rookie who may have potential beyond Foxworth's.

[JCMElway]

Boss Bailey: I am Mr. Glass!

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I never knew that "soft" was synonomous with "injury prone," but I guess we all learn something new every day. Apparently playing the night before on a knee that could require microfacture is only something pussies do.

[Popps]

I never knew that "soft" was synonomous with "injury prone," but I guess we all learn something new every day. Apparently playing the night before on a knee that could require microfacture is only something pussies do.

Fair enough. I'm sure he gritted it out the best he could. But he's clearly injury prone, and I think the soft rep carried over from Detroit where he hadn't been known as a very physical player. Someone here described him as a "finesse" linebacker, which sounds like an oxymoron to me, but it's probably accurate.

I'm sure he's a good guy, and works hard... but it is what it is. He can't be counted on. This looks like another massive free agency ****-up.

[Atwater His Ass]

Sad developments all around.

That said, it does make the future a little more clear. Boss: gone. Champ: get him healthy, then move him. We won't contend as a defense within his usable window, and anything we get from him would be gravy.

This is correct. For defense as terrible as ours, we need all the help we can get in the form of more players and picks. You don't build a defense from the outside in; champ just doesn't have as much value for us since our front 7 are so terrible. We need to start from the inside, and sadly, that means it would be in the teams best interest to trade Champ now while he still has value.

[BroncoInferno]

Well I said all those things about him and that he was soft when we signed him?

So, an injury that would equal season ending surgery for anyone enduring it means the player is "soft"? Great logic.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Sad developments all around.

That said, it does make the future a little more clear. Boss: gone. Champ: get him healthy, then move him. We won't contend as a defense within his usable window, and anything we get from him would be gravy.

are you high or just retarded?

trading the best player on our defense for what? what is out there that would be good enough to unload Champ? We can probably get a 1st and 3rd at least for him, but what does that do? it weakens the Defense more than it is, and gives us more picks, and sadly outside of Thomas and DWill we can't draft defensive players worth a ****. and even if we hit on the players we draft to replace Champ, who says they come in and as rookies have impact? more than likely it takes them 2 years minimum to get up to speed.

[manchambo]

Trading Foxworth away for nothing looks more brilliant by the day.

At this point I would think we would do better in the personnel department if we got a monkey drunk and had it point at pictures of available players.

[BroncoInferno]

Trading Foxworth away for nothing looks more brilliant by the day.

At this point I would think we would do better in the personnel department if we got a monkey drunk and had it point at pictures of available players.

And just what is Foxworth doing for Atlanta? I am sure his presense has been the key to the season Uhh

[Dagmar]

And just what is Foxworth doing for Atlanta? I am sure his presense has been the key to the season Uhh

Don't let the facts get in the way of some good old Shanny bashing!

[tsiguy96]

are you high or just retarded?

trading the best player on our defense for what? what is out there that would be good enough to unload Champ? We can probably get a 1st and 3rd at least for him, but what does that do? it weakens the Defense more than it is, and gives us more picks, and sadly outside of Thomas and DWill we can't draft defensive players worth a ****. and even if we hit on the players we draft to replace Champ, who says they come in and as rookies have impact? more than likely it takes them 2 years minimum to get up to speed.

your best player shouldnt be a CB. it should be a linebacker, DT or DE or something that will make a significant contribution on every play. not shutting down an individual player on every play, cuz guess waht happens then? there are 3 other options, as weve seen all year. we are the leagues worst passing D for a reason, and champ was in all of those games.

[Crushaholic]

The Chiefs may sweep us....

OH GOD, SHOOT ME!!!:drown:

[richpjr]

A read on another board that it was reported that the groin muscle tore off the bone - anyone else hear anything like that? Or is this just more typical M.U.S. (made up $hit)? If that's the case I'd think he would be gone longer than 4-6 weeks. Must be M.U.S.

[Br0nc0Buster]

Ever since the Pittsburgh loss in the AFC Champ. game, this team has been well....bad

And we seem to be regressing each year, well at least on defense.

I hope the Goodmans can draft defense like they can offense, because we need it.

We also need some competent coaches on that side as well.

All in all we have our hand full.

But watching this defense reminds of the episodeof Southpark where Jimmy and Timmy fought each other...."Cripple fight!!"

[Broncobiv]

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee197/drycountykev/SM1082Cripple-Fight-Posters.jpg

[TheDave]

A read on another board that it was reported that the groin muscle tore off the bone - anyone else hear anything like that? Or is this just more typical M.U.S. (made up $hit)? If that's the case I'd think he would be gone longer than 4-6 weeks. Must be M.U.S.

I would bet the farm on M.U.S.

[manchambo]

And just what is Foxworth doing for Atlanta? I am sure his presense has been the key to the season Uhh

Apparently you thought by my comment that I meant Foxworth would be the key to the Broncos season if he had not been traded. That's a strange thing to think, considering it bears no relation to my comment, but allow me to clarify.

The question is not what Foxworth has done for Atlanta. It is: what would he be doing for the Broncos if they hadn't traded him away for nothing?

Answer: allowing them to put a solid vet, rather than an untested rookie, in at CB. Further answer: mitigating ever so slightly the brain busting thought that the defense is actually going to get much worse than it has been so far this season.

Is worst ever on the table? Hard to rule it out.

[cutthemdown]

So, an injury that would equal season ending surgery for anyone enduring it means the player is "soft"? Great logic.

Even without the injury I'm right. Just watch how he plays and look at his history of limping around all the time. Boss Bailey's idea of football is to try to run around and never get blocked. That just doesn't work for a SSL. They have to fight through blocks. It his career long habit of not fighting through blocks and weak technique when it comes to tackling that I pointed out.

Any player can get injured, that alone doesn't make you soft. It was just easy to predict because he has shown he is fragile and plays soft in his previous NFL career and college.

Just try and really evaluate a player instead of just hoping he's good because Broncos are your team. Then you won't have to argue like this when you're obviously wrong.

[Hogan11]

Foxworth would make absolutely no difference out there....none. It'd be the same result with him or without him. Dark days ahead.

[Blart]

At least when we win, it will be a pleasent surprise rather than an expected performance.

[Popps]

What a difference a couple of weeks makes, huh?

[Blart]

Totally. I can't believe two weeks ago I was un-ironically talking Super Bowl.

This news hit me hard. Our defense has been able to consistantly do one thing well: shut down their primary receiver. Now I have a knot in my stomache, I don't feel like checking ESPN, I don't want to read about other teams or even watch college ball.

The only good things I can think coming from this are:
1) The boo birds will stop coming to the games, or stop expecting wins. +1 for homefield advantage.
2) Our bailey-less, lynch-less defense could inspire one or two guys to step up and fill those leadership roles.
3) Being free to pass, the other teams might stop running so much. That means more time on the clock for our offense.

That's all I got!

[ZONA]

wow, 7-9 just became a reach in a hurry. Hope for the best but prepare for a continuation of very bad things to come. We're not going anywhere this season. It was heading that way fast anyway and now Champ out really closes the door. Here's to a top 15 pick folks. What a shame. Brady gone for the season, the Chargers sucking ass, The Colts looking bad, this was anybody's championship really.

I'd start selling off some parts to team with a lagit chance that might need some depth or something.

Who knows, maybe we move up in the draft now and have a real shot at Mr. Laraunitis.

[cutthemdown]

wow, 7-9 just became a reach in a hurry. Hope for the best but prepare for a continuation of very bad things to come. We're not going anywhere this season. It was heading that way fast anyway and now Champ out really closes the door. Here's to a top 15 pick folks. What a shame. Brady gone for the season, the Chargers sucking ass, The Colts looking bad, this was anybody's championship really.

I'd start selling off some parts to team with a lagit chance that might need some depth or something.

Who knows, maybe we move up in the draft now and have a real shot at Mr. Laraunitis.

umm trading deadline already came and went my friend. It's always week 6 of the yr.

[ZONA]

umm trading deadline already came and went my friend. It's always week 6 of the yr.

what timing - we can't win for losing

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Champ's age is showing. He's running about a 4.5 these days is my guess.

In a couple years he's gonna be Patrick Surtain.

[TDmvp]

Champ's age is showing. He's running about a 4.5 these days is my guess.

In a couple years he's gonna be Patrick Surtain.

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/1673/motivator1957045rn4.jpg

[Don Flamenco]

Now maybe we can get a real strong side linebacker playing that position. Enough with the speed linebacker BS. It hasn't been working Since Al Wilson, John Mobley, and Ian Gold was in their prime.

[tsiguy96]

Champ's age is showing. He's running about a 4.5 these days is my guess.

In a couple years he's gonna be Patrick Surtain.

you do realize champ SHUT DOWN randy moss, not a single completion?

champ was thrown at 11 times 5 games into the season, surtain would be dreaming for that. its about time you considered cutting, bob.

[Orange_Beard]

Speechless.

[oubronco]

wow, 7-9 just became a reach in a hurry. Hope for the best but prepare for a continuation of very bad things to come. We're not going anywhere this season. It was heading that way fast anyway and now Champ out really closes the door. Here's to a top 15 pick folks. What a shame. Brady gone for the season, the Chargers sucking ass, The Colts looking bad, this was anybody's championship really.

I'd start selling off some parts to team with a lagit chance that might need some depth or something.

Who knows, maybe we move up in the draft now and have a real shot at Mr. Laraunitis.

anyone who realistically thought this team was going somewhere didn't really watch the first few weeks yes the offense was clicking pretty good but the defense was horrible then and is getting worse now with the lose of the Bailey Bro's it's going to be worse................DAMN

[broncofan7]

With Champ's ability to tackle, he could make a seemless transition to saftey if he plays into his mid -late 30's, ala Rod Woodson. I say unless we get a top tier LB, DE, DT AND a draft pick (who's gonna do that?) we keep Champ..although I do agree that defenses are built inside out, not secondary- to DL.

[Beantown Bronco]

anyone who realistically thought this team was going somewhere didn't really watch the first few weeks yes the offense was clicking pretty good but the defense was horrible then and is getting worse now with the lose of the Bailey Bro's it's going to be worse................DAMN

They started off 3-0, 2-0 in division play and were putting up about 40 pts per game. As bad as the defense was, the offense was already even better.

SD lost their first two.

KC and Oakland were sucking as usual.

Brady was down for year.

Indy looked like absolute garbage.

Now I'm not talking SB, but how could one NOT think this team had a shot at making some noise and possibly winning a playoff game or two given all of those circumstances? They were the most exciting and clearly looked like one of the top 2 or 3 teams in the AFC at the time.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

****.

[oubronco]

They started off 3-0, 2-0 in division play and were putting up about 40 pts per game. As bad as the defense was, the offense was already even better.

SD lost their first two.

KC and Oakland were sucking as usual.

Brady was down for year.

Indy looked like absolute garbage.

Now I'm not talking SB, but how could one NOT think this team had a shot at making some noise and possibly winning a playoff game or two given all of those circumstances? They were the most exciting and clearly looked like one of the top 2 or 3 teams in the AFC at the time.

because of the Defense

[montrose]

Champ has a torn groin, I'm voting to shut him down for the year. This team's not going anywhere anyway, and I'd hate to risk him re-injuring it for more important games in the future...

[Kaylore]

You will now see the worst secondary to ever take the field for an NFL team.

Broncos lose a ton of games now. The only solace is that the AFC west is a laughingstock and we can still win division. Highly unlikely though IMO. Chargers will take us in the end.

Look how happy Cutthemdown is. He's been hoping for us to suck all season.

[Kaylore]

Champ has a torn groin, I'm voting to shut him down for the year. This team's not going anywhere anyway, and I'd hate to risk him re-injuring it for more important games in the future...

Huh? That doesn't make any sense at all. Why don't we just bench him until we're sure we have a super bowl team?

[maher_tyler]

This is depressing.

Can we talk about the draft?

Draft nothing but D!!!

[montrose]

Huh? That doesn't make any sense at all. Why don't we just bench him until we're sure we have a super bowl team?

I simply think defensive injuries are much different than offensive ones. Why? Because you can control the return of an injured offense player a bit whereas a defensive player can be attacked (see Green Bay burning Champ deep on his 1st play back from a quad injury last year).

I fully expect the Broncos to be out of contention by the time Champ would be ready to return and, at his age and given his position, I would honestly see him as more of a liability than an asset at that point. A 30 year old DB playing on the worst defense in the league, with a healing groin on a team out of playoff contention - it just isn't worth it in my opinion.

[bowtown]

I simply think defensive injuries are much different than offensive ones. Why? Because you can control the return of an injured offense player a bit whereas a defensive player can be attacked (see Green Bay burning Champ deep on his 1st play back from a quad injury last year).

I fully expect the Broncos to be out of contention by the time Champ would be ready to return and, at his age and given his position, I would honestly see him as more of a liability than an asset at that point. A 30 year old DB playing on the worst defense in the league, with a healing groin on a team out of playoff contention - it just isn't worth it in my opinion.

*cough* May also help us knock a few mill off his upcoming contract extension. *cough*

Who just said that? Did I say that?

[Kaylore]

I simply think defensive injuries are much different than offensive ones. Why? Because you can control the return of an injured offense player a bit whereas a defensive player can be attacked (see Green Bay burning Champ deep on his 1st play back from a quad injury last year).

I fully expect the Broncos to be out of contention by the time Champ would be ready to return and, at his age and given his position, I would honestly see him as more of a liability than an asset at that point. A 30 year old DB playing on the worst defense in the league, with a healing groin on a team out of playoff contention - it just isn't worth it in my opinion.

They won't play him if he isn't 100%. If he can't go, he can't go.

[Kaylore]

*cough* May also help us knock a few mill off his upcoming contract extension. *cough*

Who just said that? Did I say that?

:spit:

[24champ]

*cough* May also help us knock a few mill off his upcoming contract extension. *cough*


Good luck with that.

[montrose]

They won't play him if he isn't 100%. If he can't go, he can't go.

That's my point, I highly doubt he'll be 100% by the end of this season. Torn groins are nasty.

[broncofan2438]

I think that we get him back by the Faider game and we have maybe lost one game. We are not out of it by that point and with him coming back, I think we are fine. Yes, are D is aweful, but I still think we have a chance

[Orange_Beard]

Huh? That doesn't make any sense at all. Why don't we just bench him until we're sure we have a super bowl team?

Sorry, but we don't have anything like a superbowl team with out him. Get him back on the field ASAP.

[manchambo]

Champ's age is showing. He's running about a 4.5 these days is my guess.

In a couple years he's gonna be Patrick Surtain.

If you watched the game, you might have noticed an interesting coincidence. Before Champ got hurt, it appeared that Moss was not playing in the game. After he got hurt, Moss went wild.

How many corners in the league can shut down Randy Moss?

[cutthemdown]

Look how happy Cutthemdown is. He's been hoping for us to suck all season.

not true

[cutthemdown]

:spit:

you're safe though i let you out of that bet remember?

[cutthemdown]

Look how happy Cutthemdown is. He's been hoping for us to suck all season.

just because every yr you try and say how good certain players are, while knowledgeable fans call it like it is, doesn't mean i wish for the team to be bad.
I just know football better then you and that you are a bit of a homer.

[ANIMAL24]

all the odds are against us...

[cutthemdown]

next yr kaylore will once again say how great all the players are on the broncos. lets all hope and pray for him to be right for once because this crap is getting old. Just like kaylores homerism.

[TheReverend]

next yr kaylore will once again say how great all the players are on the broncos. lets all hope and pray for him to be right for once because this crap is getting old. Just like kaylores homerism.

There are a lot of great players on this team.

**** happens.

5 turnovers will do that.

[TDmvp]

If you watched the game, you might have noticed an interesting coincidence. Before Champ got hurt, it appeared that Moss was not playing in the game. After he got hurt, Moss went wild.

How many corners in the league can shut down Randy Moss?

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/1673/motivator1957045rn4.jpg

[cutthemdown]

There are a lot of great players on this team.

**** happens.

5 turnovers will do that.

great players? broncos don't have any great players outside of champ. they do have some good players but not enough.

[ro_50]

When it rains it pours.

You can breathe on Boss and he gets injured.

He's been battling injuries ever since he got here. Sigh.

And as for Champ, I am just shaking my head. This secondary was god awful to begin with and now it will resemble a pop warner team without Champ back there.

I would rather have them start the rookie J. Williams instead of Paymah.

It's not like Paymah is going to come in and all of the sudden become a shut down corner, Just play the rookie and let him go through his lumps and see if he can replace D. Bly (I don't see him being on this team next season) on the other side.

If not, then go out there and get a corner after the season.

[cutthemdown]

When it rains it pours.

You can breathe on Boss and he gets injured.

He's been battling injuries ever since he got here. Sigh.

And as for Champ, I am just shaking my head. This secondary was god awful to begin with and now it will resemble a pop warner team without Champ back there.

I would rather have them start the rookie J. Williams instead of Paymah.

It's not like Paymah is going to come in and all of the sudden become a shut down corner, Just play the rookie and let him go through his lumps and see if he can replace D. Bly (I don't see him being on this team next season) on the other side.

If not, then go out there and get a corner after the season.

Most likely teams will now spread the field with 4-5 wr. Broncos will be forced to play all the CBS and put some real scrubs on the field.

[ro_50]

Most likely teams will now spread the field with 4-5 wr. Broncos will be forced to play all the CBS and put some real scrubs on the field.

Yeah you do have a point. Then again, the guys out there -- minus Champ -- are scrubs to begin with :> :>

[rugbythug]

great players? broncos don't have any great players outside of champ. they do have some good players but not enough.

You are self serving, Self Rightous Jack ass. If you knew half as much about football as you seem to think you do you would not have time to whine on message boards with the rest of us "Fans".

[DHallblows]

You are self serving, Self Rightous Jack ass. If you knew half as much about football as you seem to think you do you would not have time to whine on message boards with the rest of us "Fans".

+1
He does that a lot...

[Old Dude]

I'm trying hard to think of what "great" player we have on defense, other then Champ.

John Lynch was an alternate pro-bowler last year, but he's gone. I think Bly is the only other guy to ever make it on that side of the ball.

Dumerville is a pretty good pass rusher, but isn't that good against the run.

DJ Williams is a fine athlete and has shown flashes of being a pro-bowl caliber guy, once he settles on a spot.

The rest of the D is pretty average and, in many cases, below average.

So far, we have given up more points than any other defense in the league - including punching bags like Detroit, KC and the Rams. And now our best defensive player is gone for several weeks.

I think we're in serious trouble here.

[uplink]

What is it that makes Boss Bailey so injury prone?

His technique, body size (tall LB), same injury that hasn't healed???

I wonder if the broncos will think of him in long term plans as he is a magnet for injuries, I wouldn't.

[Natedogg]

ty law?

[cutthemdown]

I'm trying hard to think of what "great" player we have on defense, other then Champ.

John Lynch was an alternate pro-bowler last year, but he's gone. I think Bly is the only other guy to ever make it on that side of the ball.

Dumerville is a pretty good pass rusher, but isn't that good against the run.

DJ Williams is a fine athlete and has shown flashes of being a pro-bowl caliber guy, once he settles on a spot.

The rest of the D is pretty average and, in many cases, below average.

So far, we have given up more points than any other defense in the league - including punching bags like Detroit, KC and the Rams. And now our best defensive player is gone for several weeks.

I think we're in serious trouble here.


We don't have any outside of Champ on defense.

[cutthemdown]

What is it that makes Boss Bailey so injury prone?

His technique, body size (tall LB), same injury that hasn't healed???

I wonder if the broncos will think of him in long term plans as he is a magnet for injuries, I wouldn't.

He's too skinny for the SSL, He plays soft and tried to run around blocks, all the players he goes up against are tougher and stronger. It really isn't surprising he's out for year. A couple of us on the board pretty much knew this was going to happen so it's no big deal to me. Boss worth the same hurt or healthy, and that is nothing.

[TonyR]

Sorry, but we don't have anything like a superbowl team with out him.

We don't have anything like a Super Bowl team WITH him, either..

[TonyR]

I think we're in serious trouble here.

We most certainly are. 6-10 trouble.

[Ambiguous]

We most certainly are. 6-10 trouble.

Hell yeah, we are going to beat the Chiefs and the Raiders!



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[Broncojef]

On the bright side most of us knew we were a couple good drafts away from being a solid contender. Get the young guys in to evaluate, see how they produce in real world situations and then target a good defensive draft. The positive thing to look at is our offense outside of maybe a lineman and a stud RB is set for a while and we can focus all our energy on the D. I'm hoping for the MLB from USC, Maulagua to build our defense around. If we can build some nice pieces on D over the next two years and get a coordinator with a fire in his belly we should be a kick-ass team in no time.

[cutthemdown]

On the bright side most of us knew we were a couple good drafts away from being a solid contender. Get the young guys in to evaluate, see how they produce in real world situations and then target a good defensive draft. The positive thing to look at is our offense outside of maybe a lineman and a stud RB is set for a while and we can focus all our energy on the D. I'm hoping for the MLB from USC, Maulagua to build our defense around. If we can build some nice pieces on D over the next two years and get a coordinator with a fire in his belly we should be a kick-ass team in no time.

I totally see it that way. Just finding a franchise LT makes this last offseason a success IMO. Throw in Royal and we may have found 2 new starters for offense.

We need 2 studs in the front 7, and some decent safety's. Throw in a real RB on the offense and look out for Broncos next yr. The team is getting close and pretty soon I will be able to say I think Broncos are ready to contend. Right now though the defense just too soft.

[NFLBRONCO]

I totally see it that way. Just finding a franchise LT makes this last offseason a success IMO. Throw in Royal and we may have found 2 new starters for offense.

We need 2 studs in the front 7, and some decent safety's. Throw in a real RB on the offense and look out for Broncos next yr. The team is getting close and pretty soon I will be able to say I think Broncos are ready to contend. Right now though the defense just too soft.


Even if we go 4-12 this year I think we have made strides a LT and #2 WR like you mentioned. We just need to really bolster D and we will make more strides in 09.

[cutthemdown]

Even if we go 4-12 this year I think we have made strides a LT and #2 WR like you mentioned. We just need to really bolster D and we will make more strides in 09.

I think what happens is people are such fans they want to believe every move the team makes will work out and that players who have not performed well suddenly will.

This yr those players were:

Colbert/Niko/Boss/McCree/Manual/Selvin Young/Andre Hall

And then the biggest hype for no reason Hazma Abdullah, Foxworth. We actually had posters on the board saying Hamza would be pro bowl caliber, a rising star, a for sure bet at safety. I never understood that because he obviously wasn't a quality football player to most fans.

Broncos find some defenders for the back end, maybe 1 more CB and a stud safety, add a good SSL or MLB and maybe one pass rusher emerges and they could have something next yr.

This yr will be ugly from this point on. I just don't see the Broncos having the running game to keep defense off field. I don't see defense making enough big plays to really win any games for us. Also Defense probably won't stop many good offenses from this point out.

[broncofan7]

I think what happens is people are such fans they want to believe every move the team makes will work out and that players who have not performed well suddenly will.

This yr those players were:

Colbert/Niko/Boss/McCree/Manual/Selvin Young/Andre Hall

And then the biggest hype for no reason Hazma Abdullah, Foxworth. We actually had posters on the board saying Hamza would be pro bowl caliber, a rising star, a for sure bet at safety. I never understood that because he obviously wasn't a quality football player to most fans.

Broncos find some defenders for the back end, maybe 1 more CB and a stud safety, add a good SSL or MLB and maybe one pass rusher emerges and they could have something next yr.

This yr will be ugly from this point on. I just don't see the Broncos having the running game to keep defense off field. I don't see defense making enough big plays to really win any games for us. Also Defense probably won't stop many good offenses from this point out.

I agree that we added GARBAGE this offseason from the FA pool, but I am not going to give up on the season just yet. I knew that our -efense was going to be bad--I just had not idea it would be thirty-f'in 2nd. It is incumbent upon Cutler and company to put up 30 pts a game or you will be right regarding our chances of having a positive season.