Our defense's numbers <3

[Kaylore]

*Denver ranks third worst in the NFL. Kansas City is the second worst.

*Denver's D has the third most penalty yards in the league. IMO penalties are reflective of coaching more than any other stat next to turnovers.

*Denver has the fourth worst rushing defense.

*They also have the fifth worst passing defense. Interestingly the Chargers have the worst in the league. Sort of makes that Charger game make more sense. Denver allows a league high 70% completion percentage. QB's that play the Broncos avreage 109.1 QB rating. That's next to last in the league.

*In scoring defense, Denver is second to last. We're tied for worst in passing touchdowns allowed.

*Denver is third to last in interceptions. True to Bob Slowik's reputation, the team never has turnovers.

*We're tied for second worst in first downs allowed at 24. We're the fourth worst defense on third down as well.

*Our lone good stats are we're 14th best at forcing fumbles. This is probably because they spend all week practicing forcing them against our offense. The other good stat is we're eighth in sacks. This is more a result of feasting on bad offensive lines than reflective of our defense.

So to recap: Low turnovers, a pass defense that makes everyone we play look like Joe Montana, horrible rush defense and we can't get off the field on third down.

Sound familiar? It should.
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/299/slowac2.jpg

Bad call, Shanny. Bad, bad call.

[barryr]

Can there still be people out there still in denial about this Bronco defense? Heck, even if you don't watch the games, most of the stats for this defense stinks.

[CBF1]

Kaylore... It is hard to see this coming from you.

[PRBronco]

Yeah but...six sacks!

[socalorado]

Our defense's numbers <3

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*Denver ranks third worst in the NFL. Kansas City is the second worst.

*Denver's D has the third most penalty yards in the league. IMO penalties are reflective of coaching more than any other stat next to turnovers.

*Denver has the fourth worst rushing defense.

*They also have the fifth worst passing defense. Interestingly the Chargers have the worst in the league. Sort of makes that Charger game make more sense. Denver allows a league high 70% completion percentage. QB's that play the Broncos avreage 109.1 QB rating. That's next to last in the league.

*In scoring defense, Denver is second to last. We're tied for worst in passing touchdowns allowed.

*Denver is third to last in interceptions. True to Bob Slowik's reputation, the team never has turnovers.

*We're tied for second worst in first downs allowed at 24. We're the fourth worst defense on third down as well.

*Our lone good stats are we're 14th best at forcing fumbles. This is probably because they spend all week practicing forcing them against our offense. The other good stat is we're eighth in sacks. This is more a result of feasting on bad offensive lines than reflective of our defense.

So to recap: Low turnovers, a pass defense that makes everyone we play look like Joe Montana, horrible rush defense and we can't get off the field on third down.

Sound familiar? It should.


I just threw up in my mouth

[55CrushEm]

So when Slowik was in GB.....he was also known as allowing "insanely high opponents' passer ratings" ?? Great....just super.

Slowik < Bates < Coyer......why are we hiring guys with worse and worse resumes ??

[Los Broncos]

No doubt he'll be out come the off season.

[Kaylore]

Kaylore... It is hard to see this coming from you.

I'm sorry but I've never been a fan of Bob Slowik. I had my doubts from the beginning.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1845998&postcount=45

I think we all got nervous about this once he showed up and started sniffing around. This is a good example of how favoritism and doing business with your friends is a bad idea. It's bi-products are nepotism and mediocrity.

Let me go on record right now and say that our defense is going to be worse in 2008 than it was last year. What a freaking joke this guy is going to be. Get ready to see more Lions and Chargers game scores this season. In fact this is starting to piss me off at a variety of levels.

* I'm not impressed with Heimerdinger. Our offense of deep routes and attacking down field is retarded when we don't have the tackles to protect the QB on those deep drops. Since Heimerdinger has taken over our offense hasn't been half as good as it was under Kubiak and that's with better talent than Kubiak had.
* Slowik was brought in with a wink and a nudge and sure enough he's bumped out Coyer and now his garbage coaching will be there to further embarrass us and our team.


With a bunch of buddies on the staff, if they are putting a below average product on the fiend then how can we expect Shanahan to evaluate them an their situations honestly? I had full confidence that Shanahan would either keep Bates or pull in a replacement that had a proven track record. Instead he promoted someone within because he was a friend and not because he was qualified in anyway.

Obviously I'm pretty pissed off about this. Everything about this move looks like the wrong move for the wrong reasons.

[briane]

You cannot build a defense with a bunch of no-names... If they were any good, they would have made a name for themselves.

Dre Bly consistantly blows coverage, falls down and misses tackles.

Nate Webster misses more tackles than anyone I have ever seen, but when he does make a tackle, he celebrates like he just won the super bowl.

Boss Bailey gets injured every other play.

Pick one guy on the D-line that opponents should fear......there isnt one. Dumerville is the best of that crew, but he doesnt scare anyone.

I like DJ Williams and Champ. It was apparent how much Champ means to this team when he got hurt.

Can we not invest some money and get a "quality" DE????

Ok, that was my rant.

[Kaylore]

You cannot build a defense with a bunch of no-names... If they were any good, they would have made a name for themselves. Dre Bly consistantly blows coverage, falls down and misses tackles. Nate Webster misses more tackles than anyone I have ever seen, but when he does make a tackle, he celebrates like he just won the super bowl. Boss Bailey gets injured every other play. Pick one guy on the D-line that opponents should fear......there isnt one. Dumerville is the best of that crew, but he doesnt scare anyone. I like DJ Williams and Champ. It was apparent how much Champ means to this team when he got hurt.

Can we not invest some money and get a "quality" DE????

Ok, that was my rant.
Our defensive line is not that bad. This team needs help in terms of personnel, but they aren't as bad as they're playing.

[jmz313]

Maybe shanny wasn't aware that he sucked before he came here. Just forward him that jpg along with your contact info and you'll probably have the DC job by thursday.

The D is horrible.

[rugbythug]

Watch the players run at the Ball. No one knows where they are supposed to be. It looks like the plays were drawn in Crayon.

[TallyBronco]

These guys have been overpursuing since game 1. And nothing has changed. That's coaching.

It's not like you see them breaking down before contact and then getting beat with a shifty move. They simply don't break down. There's no need for a shifty move because they RBs are running through giant holes.

[TallyBronco]

You also see this on special teams coverage. The first guy down has two jobs. Either make the direct hit, or contain until you have help. These guys go for the direct hit every time no matter how far away they are from the returner.

Several times we've lost 20 yards of field position because the first guy down didn't contain the returner. Same old story. That's coaching.

[Mountain Bronco]

Sammy Morris torched the Denver D for a career high in yards. All in one half. Matt Cassel looked like Montana. That is all I need to say. Teams can decide if they want to beat us via the pass or the run. It is really really sad. The coaching is lacking for sure, but I also believe the talent is weak as well. There are 4 quality defensive players IMO (Champ, DJ, Thomas, and Robertson) and two starter quality players (Champ, DJ). I am not sure anyone else even makes a roster on a top 20 defensive team.

[kappys]

You cannot build a defense with a bunch of no-names... If they were any good, they would have made a name for themselves.

Dre Bly consistantly blows coverage, falls down and misses tackles.

Nate Webster misses more tackles than anyone I have ever seen, but when he does make a tackle, he celebrates like he just won the super bowl.

Boss Bailey gets injured every other play.

Pick one guy on the D-line that opponents should fear......there isnt one. Dumerville is the best of that crew, but he doesnt scare anyone.

I like DJ Williams and Champ. It was apparent how much Champ means to this team when he got hurt.

Can we not invest some money and get a "quality" DE????

Ok, that was my rant.

No. No defense in the NFL is this bad without a substantial element of failure in the coaching department. The Cowboys D sucketh too - is that because of lack of talent or coaching?

This defense should be around 20th in the league - that's about the talent level that we have and with good coaching that's where we would be. It took me a little while to get on Kaylore's bandwagon(which to his credit indeed predates the ineptness we are seeing now) but I am there now.

We have a great player in Champ, no doubt.

Bly is an excellent CB - people simply must be watching a different game then me when they talk about him. He got beaten by Randy Moss when Champ didn't. There's only about 3-4 CB's in the league that can defend Moss and I'll freely admit Bly isn't one of them. He's still among the best 2nd CB's in the NFL.

DJ is an above average WLB - not a pro-bowl caliber player but not that far below it either.

Roberton has done a very good job in the middle, I rank him about like DJ.

Marcus Thomas is morphing into a fantastic DT. Its happening a lot sooner then I thought possible but he is the only member of that team that consistently looks better week after week. He will be a monster DT soon enough.

Boss - perfectly average SLB. He hasn't missed all that many plays this year, its just that every time he does people want to bring up his injury history. A good acquisition IMO - we didn't overpay and got a solid LB with good coverage skills. No he's not a pro-bowler and we knew that when he was signed, nor is he trash(i.e. Webster last season)

That's 5 out of 11 starters that provide a real nucleus to build a defense around. Yes important pieces are missing - our DE's lack a true starter that can play the run and pass, our MLB is weak, and the safeties terrible.

[telluride]

I've mentioned this in previous posts, but the hiring of Bates killed this team for three years. The promoting of Slowik has tacked another two years onto that bill. Had Shanny hired a talented DC at the end of last year, this would have been a transition year for the defense; next year with a decent defensive draft would have been better (playoff caliber, perhaps), and then 2010 would have been the start of our SB runs. All of that is now pushed at least two years further into the distance.

Here's the thing. Slowik WILL be fired. He's an awful DC, and repeatedly proven to be awful. At this point it's just a matter of when Shanny will fire him. Every game, every month, every season he fails to do so just delays the start of the three year transition that this defense will require.

[houghtam]

As bad as these guys are, they're professionals. You're right in saying nobody is THIS bad.

It's the coaching.

Shanahan is every bit as much to blame as Slowik. I said it last year, and I'll say it again. Another missed playoff and I'm done with Shanahan.

[PRBronco]

Our defensive line is not that bad. This team needs help in terms of personnel, but they aren't as bad as they're playing.

Oy what happened to DJ and Jarvis's sack? It's not shown in the team stats today.

[Kaylore]

Oy what happened to DJ and Jarvis's sack? It's not shown in the team stats today.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29630&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2008&week=REG7

[Tombstone RJ]

*Denver ranks third worst in the NFL. Kansas City is the second worst.

*Denver's D has the third most penalty yards in the league. IMO penalties are reflective of coaching more than any other stat next to turnovers.

*Denver has the fourth worst rushing defense.

*They also have the fifth worst passing defense. Interestingly the Chargers have the worst in the league. Sort of makes that Charger game make more sense. Denver allows a league high 70% completion percentage. QB's that play the Broncos avreage 109.1 QB rating. That's next to last in the league.

*In scoring defense, Denver is second to last. We're tied for worst in passing touchdowns allowed.

*Denver is third to last in interceptions. True to Bob Slowik's reputation, the team never has turnovers.

*We're tied for second worst in first downs allowed at 24. We're the fourth worst defense on third down as well.

*Our lone good stats are we're 14th best at forcing fumbles. This is probably because they spend all week practicing forcing them against our offense. The other good stat is we're eighth in sacks. This is more a result of feasting on bad offensive lines than reflective of our defense.

So to recap: Low turnovers, a pass defense that makes everyone we play look like Joe Montana, horrible rush defense and we can't get off the field on third down.

Sound familiar? It should.
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/299/slowac2.jpg

Bad call, Shanny. Bad, bad call.


The defense did not lose this NE game. The offense flat out stunk up the freaking joint.

4 turnovers produced only 13 points for NE in the first half. It should have been 21 to zip, but the Broncos defense actually held NE in check, despite the lousy field position.

Really, you can't hang this all on the defense. Sure, in the second half, they gave up points, but the offense was never, ever in the game. Even if NE only scored 10 points, the Broncos still would have lost.

[Kaylore]

The defense did not lose this NE game. The offense flat out stunk up the freaking joint.

4 turnovers produced only 13 points for NE in the first half. It should have been 21 to zip, but the Broncos defense actually held NE in check, despite the lousy field position.

Really, you can't hang this all on the defense. Sure, in the second half, they gave up points, but the offense was never, ever in the game. Even if NE only scored 10 points, the Broncos still would have lost.
I never once mentioned the NE game. Even so, getting 41 hung on you takes more than just a bad offense. The body of work for this defense is in. It's been 7 games and its clear the defense is indeed a problem.

[PRBronco]

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29630&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2008&week=REG7

They don't have it in the nfl.com stats section though. Dumervil and Ekuban's are there. Maybe they take a while to get them all posted. Jarvis didn't look out of place last night eh?

[Kaylore]

They don't have it in the nfl.com stats section though. Dumervil and Ekuban's are there. Maybe they take a while to get them all posted. Jarvis didn't look out of place last night eh?

They'll show. Give it a day or so.

[Tombstone RJ]

I never once mentioned the NE game. Even so, getting 41 hung on you takes more than just a bad offense. The body of work for this defense is in. It's been 7 games and its clear the defense is indeed a problem.

Fact is, the defense has played reasonably well at times, while the offense has sucked. Last nights game is the PERFECT example.

I repeat: 4 turnovers (all in the first quarter, I believe) produced 2 FGs and 1 TD and NE had GREAT FIELD POSITION FROM THE TOS.

I'm sorry, but the defense was the only thing respectable in this game. Champ Bailey made a couple of huge saves before he left the game. Cassell was sacked, what, like 3 times?

But the Broncos offense could get nothing going.

[summerdenver]

After watching broncos games this year I am really astounded that we are not last in every category. I mean how come we are not last in pass defense - SD looks like a much more effective pass defense to the naked eye.

[Kaylore]

After watching broncos games this year I am really astounded that we are not last in every category. I mean how come we are not last in pass defense - SD looks like a much more effective pass defense to the naked eye.

Our pass rush is better. I'm serious.

[Tombstone RJ]

I'm afraid everyone is pointing the finger at the defense, when they should be looking at the offense.

The defense has put together respectable games, yet the offense has dried up and fizzled away. The defense is a concern, no doubt, but at least it's getting better.

The offense, on the other hand, is regressing.

[Kaylore]

I'm afraid everyone is pointing the finger at the defense, when they should be looking at the offense.

The defense has put together respectable games, yet the offense has dried up and fizzled away. The defense is a concern, no doubt, but at least it's getting better.

The offense, on the other hand, is regressing.

Oh ok. Should I just delete this thread? Much ado about nothing? Maybe someone should start a thread on the offensive troubles. I haven't seen any...

[summerdenver]

Our pass rush is better. I'm serious.

I buy that SD does not generate pass rush from DL and without Merriman they don't have pass rush.

[TheChamp24]

I think its funny people are still sidestepping the defense and now blaming the offense.
Yes, the offense did turn the ball over 5 times, but how many turnovers did our defense force? A whopping ZERO.
Was there even a 3 and out forced by our defense? I don't think so.

And there is some talent on the defense, so its not all on the players at this point. Some of it has to be looked at the coaching.
I remember seeing the Pats safety jump a pass and think "Geez, it sure would be cool to see our safeties in a position to intercept a pass" but no, they are never in position to do that.

[Eldorado]

I think its funny people are still sidestepping the defense and now blaming the offense.
Yes, the offense did turn the ball over 5 times, but how many turnovers did our defense force? A whopping ZERO.
Was there even a 3 and out forced by our defense? I don't think so.

And there is some talent on the defense, so its not all on the players at this point. Some of it has to be looked at the coaching.
I remember seeing the Pats safety jump a pass and think "Geez, it sure would be cool to see our safeties in a position to intercept a pass" but no, they are never in position to do that.

We have safeties?? Whodda guessed it? ???

[PRBronco]

We have safeties?? Whodda guessed it? ???

Yeah there's two on the practice squad ;)

[WolfpackGuy]

Sammy Morris 130+ yards...at the half...nuff said.

[oubronco]

how did everybody like it when they did get a shot on Cassel they didn't even knock him down two guy's hanging on and he still stood up agonizing to say the least

[Hamrob]

Our defensive line is not that bad. This team needs help in terms of personnel, but they aren't as bad as they're playing.Agreed. Good coaches should be able to make this dline servicable. I think our weakest spot is the middle of our defense...the MLB and the Safeties. The entire NFL understands that. But, I have to believe even they would be better with good coaching. How many other coaches in the NFL would continue to play Manual after every game he misses 6 to 7 tackles? We go through the entire offseason....and then pick up a guy that is waived (Lowry) who then starts for us at Free Safety. I guess he's better than Rogers and Barrett which surely tells us something about them.

I've always been a Shanny supporter...but, even I think he's going to have a hard time this coming offseason. He might just decide to hang it up. If he doesn't, he'll need to hire another defensive coordinator and it would have to be someone that is strong-minded...a quality that Shanny doesn't allow on his coaching staff...and that person will need to add both some playmakers and some leadership to turn it around.

I do agree, that guys like Peterson, Thomas, Moss, Crowder, Dumervil, Robertson, D.J. Williams & Champ are servicable or better. But they do need a leader in the middle at MLB, a playmaking safety, a DE that can rush the passer and another run stuffer to clog the middle. I think it can be done in one offseason myself...If Shanny allows it to happen.

My guess is that Bowlen has a closed door session with Shanny and lays the ground rules. Like I said, Shanny may decide to walk after this year.