View Full Version : That seat is starting to get warm Norv
I'm not gonna say he offficially is on the hot seat yet but it surely must be starting to get warm.
sirhcyennek81
10-19-2008, 08:47 PM
What happened to the most talented team to ever grace a football field...
:Broncos:
24champ
10-19-2008, 08:49 PM
It's getting warm for Wade in Dallas in a hurry...
Dagmar
10-19-2008, 08:53 PM
Surely Phillips and Norv are safe, I mean, if Herm can keep his job...
DBroncos4life
10-19-2008, 09:04 PM
Surely Phillips and Norv are safe, I mean, if Herm can keep his job...
KC used a 4th on him so he's safe. They don't give up on draft picks that quick
snowspot66
10-19-2008, 09:06 PM
I'm gonna call it.
Bust.
theAPAOps5
10-19-2008, 09:12 PM
Eh he will get a win out of his team in London. Not because he is some God of a coach but because Bush is out and they are such a streaky team. San Diego will end up 8-8 but with injuries and such fans and ownership will view this as a successful team.
All that said this is a good thing for Denver. Let SD waste away and be second rate. Not because of their players but because their coaching sucks
pink_feet
10-19-2008, 09:18 PM
Norv is wasting that team.
San Diego is stacked with talent, only to be pissed away by Norv and his brilliant coaching staff.
Good for us though. :thumbsup:
SouthStndJunkie
10-19-2008, 09:19 PM
I just want to say 'Thanks Buffalo'.
San Diego sure is an inconsistent team.
SouthStndJunkie
10-19-2008, 09:20 PM
I think 7 straight years of nearly, and sometimes over 400 touches (carries and receptions) has finally taken a toll on LT.
He has lost that extra gear he had, as well as some of his lateral movement. He is not nearly as quick through the hole as he used to be.
I am sure the toe injury is part of the reason, but the cumulative effect of all the hits he has taken is starting to show.
broncofan2438
10-19-2008, 09:20 PM
Wow, even though SD is not clicking right now, Im not ready to write them off quite yet. There is way to much football left
Norv is wasting that team.
San Diego is stacked with talent, only to be pissed away by Norv and his brilliant coaching staff.
Good for us though. :thumbsup:
Not when 'our' coach is doing the same exact f*cking thing....Y'all keep clicking your heels & maybe we can go back to the late 90's.
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400HZ
10-19-2008, 09:32 PM
If San Diego misses the playoffs this year, then I think he will be gone. Hopefully that doesn't open the door for Wade. :(
A.J. loves his Buffalo connection way too much.
Jens1893
10-19-2008, 09:38 PM
It's getting warm for Wade in Dallas in a hurry...
Jason Garrett is the one lighting the fire under Wade´s seat.
enjolras
10-19-2008, 09:53 PM
I wouldn't write off LT just yet... they need to sit him down and let that toe truly heal. He can't cut at all, there was one play today where he just kind of jumped up and down and couldn't move laterally at all.
He needs to get better if he's going to help them at all.
I wouldn't write off LT just yet... they need to sit him down and let that toe truly heal. He can't cut at all, there was one play today where he just kind of jumped up and down and couldn't move laterally at all.
He needs to get better if he's going to help them at all.
That kind of thinking gets harder and harder to justify with 4 losses already and counting.
SouthStndJunkie
10-19-2008, 10:00 PM
I wouldn't write off LT just yet... they need to sit him down and let that toe truly heal. He can't cut at all, there was one play today where he just kind of jumped up and down and couldn't move laterally at all.
He needs to get better if he's going to help them at all.
I am not writing him off....he is capable of having some good games....he is just not going to have any more years like he has the previous 7 years. I don't think he can carry the load like that again without getting nicked up.
Paladin
10-19-2008, 10:23 PM
A.J. loves his Buffalo connection way too much.
He can probably get Steve Fairchild fairly cheap....
boltaneer
10-19-2008, 11:16 PM
The Bolts number one priority should be a new defensive coordinator IMO.
Injuries to the o-line and LT are a factor but but the main reason that the running game is struggling IMO is that Norv changed up the blocking scheme this year. Why? I have no idea. There was nothing really wrong with it last season. Yes, Norv is an idiot for this.
broncocalijohn
10-20-2008, 02:09 AM
Eh he will get a win out of his team in London. Not because he is some God of a coach but because Bush is out and they are such a streaky team. San Diego will end up 8-8 but with injuries and such fans and ownership will view this as a successful team.
All that said this is a good thing for Denver. Let SD waste away and be second rate. Not because of their players but because their coaching sucks
no way! There fans have already comnsidered this a paper bag wearing for their avatars and even some at home games. They are on the bandwagon that expects wins and that goes for their front office. Merriman being out and LT hurt is making a huge difference in this team. Not sure if the team goes 8 and 8, but their record can be determined by the crowds in the stands. When they have a blackout versus Chiefs or Falcons, then you know they either just lost the week before or they have sunk below .500.
BroncoMan4ever
10-20-2008, 02:48 AM
I think 7 straight years of nearly, and sometimes over 400 touches (carries and receptions) has finally taken a toll on LT.
He has lost that extra gear he had, as well as some of his lateral movement. He is not nearly as quick through the hole as he used to be.
I am sure the toe injury is part of the reason, but the cumulative effect of all the hits he has taken is starting to show.
i also think missing Turner to come in 5-10 times a game and provide the bulldozer running style, and Neal not being there to bust open holes for LT is hurting them also.
i said they were going to miss Turner and Neal in the offseason and it looks more and more like i was correct.
last season was their best chance at a super bowl with the current roster and coaching staff.
now LT is nearing the end of his dominance, Gates is seemingly injured a lot, Merriman might never be the same. i just don't see them being a contender this season or for the next couple seasons at least.
Atwater His Ass
10-20-2008, 03:54 AM
I wouldn't write SD off just yet. They play in the worst division in football, so anything can happen. Especially with Denver being notorious for late season collapses.
I agree they are on the decline and Denver is on the upswing, but I think they are probably still a better team than us, even if the records don't indicate it currently.
TheReverend
10-20-2008, 04:17 AM
I wouldn't write SD off just yet. They play in the worst division in football, so anything can happen. Especially with Denver being notorious for late season collapses.
I agree they are on the decline and Denver is on the upswing, but I think they are probably still a better team than us, even if the records don't indicate it currently.
NFC West, much?
socalorado
10-20-2008, 06:48 AM
Jason Garrett is the one lighting the fire under Wade´s seat.
You can just feel it huh!
Garrett's gotta be thinkin, "whats the freakin hold up here?!"
socalorado
10-20-2008, 06:51 AM
The Bolts number one priority should be a new defensive coordinator IMO.
Injuries to the o-line and LT are a factor but but the main reason that the running game is struggling IMO is that Norv changed up the blocking scheme this year. Why? I have no idea. There was nothing really wrong with it last season. Yes, Norv is an idiot for this.
So now its the highly acclaimed and well thought of (until recently) D-Coordinator thats causing all the frumpy, frowny faces in sparklerville!?!?
Yeah, right.
2 Words. Everybody has been saying it since the beggining....
NORV TURNER
gyldenlove
10-20-2008, 07:20 AM
What happened to the most talented team to ever grace a football field...
:Broncos:
Hey, don't mock the best 3-4 team ever in football, maybe in any sport pro or not.
:chargstin
I think Norv is doing just fine....let it alone
sirhcyennek81
10-20-2008, 08:15 AM
Not when 'our' coach is doing the same exact ****ing thing....Y'all keep clicking your heels & maybe we can go back to the late 90's.
Mike Shanahan approves of this post.
Uhh...ok?
:Broncos:
400HZ
10-20-2008, 08:21 AM
So now its the highly acclaimed and well thought of (until recently) D-Coordinator thats causing all the frumpy, frowny faces in sparklerville!?!?
Yeah, right.
2 Words. Everybody has been saying it since the beggining....
NORV TURNER
Huh? When has Ted Cottrell ever been highly acclaimed or well thought of? San Diego will be the 3rd team to fire him in his last 3 stops. I honestly couldn't believe how stupid the gameplan was against Buffalo. Jamal Williams is back in form and him and Castillo and Olshansky are eating up every run that comes their way. Our cornerbacks proved last week that they can play really, really good press coverage and our guys can rattle the quarterback if they are turned loose on him. So what do we do this week? Play soft zone, avoid blitzing, and let Trent Edwards scan the field and casually check down all game for short gains that keep the chains moving.
Jason in LA
10-20-2008, 08:28 AM
What happened to the most talented team to ever grace a football field...
:Broncos:
I hear you on that one. I've never boughten into this thing about them being the most talented team in the league. I always thought that it was total BS. Something is telling me that over the past five or so years the Pats have been a little more talented then the Chargers. So have the Steelers. There's a few other teams too.
broncofan2438
10-20-2008, 08:29 AM
I hear you on that one. I've never boughten into this thing about them being the most talented team in the league. I always thought that it was total BS. Something is telling me that over the past five or so years the Pats have been a little more talented then the Chargers. So have the Steelers. There's a few other teams too.
The Media sure loves the CHuggers
400HZ
10-20-2008, 08:58 AM
I hear you on that one. I've never boughten into this thing about them being the most talented team in the league. I always thought that it was total BS. Something is telling me that over the past five or so years the Pats have been a little more talented then the Chargers. So have the Steelers. There's a few other teams too.
I've never really bought into it either. And being the most talented doesn't neccessarily translate into the best. Look at Dallas.
socalorado
10-20-2008, 09:08 AM
Huh? When has Ted Cottrell ever been highly acclaimed or well thought of? San Diego will be the 3rd team to fire him in his last 3 stops. I honestly couldn't believe how stupid the gameplan was against Buffalo. Jamal Williams is back in form and him and Castillo and Olshansky are eating up every run that comes their way. Our cornerbacks proved last week that they can play really, really good press coverage and our guys can rattle the quarterback if they are turned loose on him. So what do we do this week? Play soft zone, avoid blitzing, and let Trent Edwards scan the field and casually check down all game for short gains that keep the chains moving.
Oh, all's i hear when the sparklers win, is ol ted is just fabulouso!
Now its all his fault.
on a side note, who are the 2 knuckleheads of ROCK105.3?
cmhargrove
10-20-2008, 09:19 AM
I wouldn't write off LT just yet... they need to sit him down and let that toe truly heal. He can't cut at all, there was one play today where he just kind of jumped up and down and couldn't move laterally at all.
He needs to get better if he's going to help them at all.
The Chargers are no longer about LT. Injured or not, he's not the same guy who destroyed the TD record a while back - and this doesn't appear to be the same team.
This new Chargers team rises or falls on the back of Rivers. I think he has actually performed pretty well, but he (like Cutler) still makes some shaky decisions when pressured. There are lots of reasons why a team loses, but Rivers chucked that last pick to a covered Gates when it just wasn't necessary. Game over!
Don't write the Chargers off, they always finish strong, but i'm glad they are still making lots of mistakes. It gives us a better chance to win the division. I will really hate it if the division title comes down to the last game at SD.
OOJack
10-20-2008, 09:26 AM
I've never really bought into it either. And being the most talented doesn't neccessarily translate into the best. Look at Dallas.
Finally you admit Rivers sucks and is a choke artist...
400HZ
10-20-2008, 10:29 AM
Finally you admit Rivers sucks and is a choke artist...
Rivers has been the best player on our team this year. The Charger defense has showed up for one game this year and we don't have a run game anymore. If he sucks and is a choke artist, what does that make Cutler?
theAPAOps5
10-20-2008, 10:32 AM
I have always said I think Rivers is a bitch but that said he is a good QB. Yeah he had a few bad plays but every QB does. It just sucks for West Coast teams traveling to the East coast for a morning game.
Dagmar
10-20-2008, 10:38 AM
I have always said I think Rivers is a b**** but that said he is a good QB. Yeah he had a few bad plays but every QB does. It just sucks for West Coast teams traveling to the East coast for a morning game.
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r158/messboards/QFT1.jpg
Rivers has been the best player on our team this year. The Charger defense has showed up for one game this year and we don't have a run game anymore. If he sucks and is a choke artist, what does that make Cutler?
4-2 and going for #5 tonight.
boltaneer
10-20-2008, 10:54 AM
Oh, all's i hear when the sparklers win, is ol ted is just fabulouso!
Now its all his fault.
on a side note, who are the 2 knuckleheads of ROCK105.3?
I agree pretty much with what 400 said and it seems to be the consensus of Charger fans in general.
Look at the games which Teddy played an aggressive attacking defense and the defense has looked pretty good. Look at the games where the defense has been more conservative and they get dinked and dunked to death. I know you can't play the same style against every team but I'm never a fan of letting the defense sit back and react to what's going on.
Teddy learned under Wade Phillips. Both he and Wade like to play a bend but don't break defense and they want to ultimately wait for the QB to make a mistake. It worked pretty well for Wade when he was here but against the better teams it almost always failed. It's just the same thing all over again with Teddy.
You don't wait for the QB to make a mistake. You pressure him into making one. I hear the same cries here for Slowick to be more aggressive. The difference between the two is that Slowick does the same thing every game. Teddy just seems to randomly pick a game to go more aggressive or not.
As for the 105.3 question, I can't say. I don't really listen to their Charger coverage on there.
broncosteven
10-20-2008, 10:59 AM
I am suprised that Chugger fans are not blaming the loss on the power issues.
They seem to realize that their D cannot generate a stop when needed any more than Denvers can. Now they are crying for their DC's head.
I take it they are over the Hoculi call and now realize that their D cannot stop a good offense either.
pink_feet
10-20-2008, 11:22 AM
Not when 'our' coach is doing the same exact ****ing thing....Y'all keep clicking your heels & maybe we can go back to the late 90's.
Mike Shanahan approves of this post.
Thanks!
Seriously though, i've watched a lot of the Charger games this year and they are very inconsistent. One week they look dominating. The next, awful.
A better HC and DC would help out a lot for them.
:welcome:
Signed,
shannanhan
I think it's Bronco homerism that has some people saying Rivers sucks. He clearly does not suck. I think he's actually turning into a pretty good QB. That is one thing I think Norv does do well, is develope good QB's. But that's really the only thing he has done well at in the NFL. Even as an OC, I think I would have mixed feelings on this. The Dallas offense in the mid 90's was just dominant, but mostly because they had better players then everybody else at nearly every offensive position, not so much because they had a really good OC in Norv.
socalorado
10-20-2008, 11:26 AM
I agree pretty much with what 400 said and it seems to be the consensus of Charger fans in general.
Look at the games which Teddy played an aggressive attacking defense and the defense has looked pretty good. Look at the games where the defense has been more conservative and they get dinked and dunked to death. I know you can't play the same style against every team but I'm never a fan of letting the defense sit back and react to what's going on.
Teddy learned under Wade Phillips. Both he and Wade like to play a bend but don't break defense and they want to ultimately wait for the QB to make a mistake. It worked pretty well for Wade when he was here but against the better teams it almost always failed. It's just the same thing all over again with Teddy.
You don't wait for the QB to make a mistake. You pressure him into making one. I hear the same cries here for Slowick to be more aggressive. The difference between the two is that Slowick does the same thing every game. Teddy just seems to randomly pick a game to go more aggressive or not.
As for the 105.3 question, I can't say. I don't really listen to their Charger coverage on there.
Well, just for the record, alot of both TV and media in SD pump up Ted and of course Norv like they know what they are doing.
I dont really care if they do or not, its just entertaining like the Slowik saga here.
As for the topic of Rivers, he does not suck. Hes has an a hole personality, but hes a solid QB.
Inkana7
10-20-2008, 11:33 AM
I think it's Bronco homerism that has some people saying Rivers sucks. He clearly does not suck. I think he's actually turning into a pretty good QB. That is one thing I think Norv does do well, is develope good QB's. But that's really the only thing he has done well at in the NFL. Even as an OC, I think I would have mixed feelings on this. The Dallas offense in the mid 90's was just dominant, but mostly because they had better players then everybody else at nearly every offensive position, not so much because they had a really good OC in Norv.
Rivers sucked last year, but he's playing like an animal this season.
400HZ
10-20-2008, 12:15 PM
Well, just for the record, alot of both TV and media in SD pump up Ted and of course Norv like they know what they are doing.
I dont really care if they do or not, its just entertaining like the Slowik saga here.
As for the topic of Rivers, he does not suck. Hes has an a hole personality, but hes a solid QB.
I was tuned into the rock105.3 fieldpass broadcast when the power was out, and both guys said that they were going to pop if San Diego went into weak zone coverage without a blitz on 3rd down one more time. Empty threats I guess, because they were still yapping when the game ended and Cottrell was still calling weak zone coverage on 3rd downs.
broncocalijohn
10-20-2008, 12:44 PM
Oh, all's i hear when the sparklers win, is ol ted is just fabulouso!
Now its all his fault.
on a side note, who are the 2 knuckleheads of ROCK105.3?
Josh and former player I like to call homer man. Better than listening to Ted Lightweight. That guy is the worst announcer and if i ever listen to the Padres games, it is only when he isnt in on that particular inning.
socalorado
10-20-2008, 12:47 PM
Josh and former player I like to call homer man. Better than listening to Ted Lightweight. That guy is the worst announcer and if i ever listen to the Padres games, it is only when he isnt in on that particular inning.
I have never heard such homerism in my life! Unreal! They make more excuses for that team.
I'm not gonna say he offficially is on the hot seat yet but it surely must be starting to get warm.
Turner might be back, but the offseason won't be completely comfortable.
24champ
10-20-2008, 01:16 PM
Josh and former player I like to call homer man. Better than listening to Ted Lightweight. That guy is the worst announcer and if i ever listen to the Padres games, it is only when he isnt in on that particular inning.
Yeah ted isn't nearly as bad as that Brian Gayward piece of crap of a hockey announcer.
Cito Pelon
10-20-2008, 01:20 PM
I have always said I think Rivers is a b**** but that said he is a good QB. Yeah he had a few bad plays but every QB does. It just sucks for West Coast teams traveling to the East coast for a morning game.
I'm gonna bust this rant off now while we're discussing the Chargers, so when you hear it from me the next time I hear this 'travel' excuse from Bronco fans you'll have a frame of reference.
This 'travel to the East Coast is a killer' deal is pure garbage. So a West Coast team plays 3 hours earlier than they're used to, so what? It's like an urban legend, no legitimacy, it's all between the ears. It's not like there's a guy kicking each player in the nuts as they get off the plane. It's a measly 3 hours. It's a two hour time difference to Cleveland, Chicago, Green Bay, is that considered some huge deal? No, never gets mentioned, but that one extra hour difference between Chicago and Buffalo is some huge deal? This is one of the most ridiculous excuses ever seen in the sporting world. A team goes to the Eastern TZ, screws the pooch, and I hear this crap about biorhytms or some baloney. What a load of crap. It's even more ridiculous to hear it from Bronco fans as an excuse for a poor showing in the Eastern TZ.
NFLBRONCO
10-20-2008, 01:29 PM
Bill C will leave TV and coach either Dallas or SD in 09.
pink_feet
10-20-2008, 02:24 PM
Rivers sucked last year, but he's playing like an animal this season.
Rivers is why the Chargers have 3 wins. LT has not done squat so far.
bronco militia
10-20-2008, 02:25 PM
Bill C will leave TV and coach either Dallas or SD in 09.
my money would on carolina, cleveland, or maybe kc
mnfan
10-20-2008, 02:28 PM
For what its worth, didn't want to start a new thread:
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/sports/articles/2008/10/19/20081019spt-nflinsider.html
Those coaches aren't the only ones who could be on the move and looking for work. We already know Seattle's Mike Holmgren has plans to take at least a one-year sabbatical after the season. But Tony Dungy of the Colts might do the same, and there's word in Denver that Mike Shanahan could be ready to move elsewhere.
cmhargrove
10-20-2008, 02:30 PM
For what its worth, didn't want to start a new thread:
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/sports/articles/2008/10/19/20081019spt-nflinsider.html
Those coaches aren't the only ones who could be on the move and looking for work. We already know Seattle's Mike Holmgren has plans to take at least a one-year sabbatical after the season. But Tony Dungy of the Colts might do the same, and there's word in Denver that Mike Shanahan could be ready to move elsewhere.
Heard it on the light rail?
Atlas
10-20-2008, 02:59 PM
Is Cowher going to Cleveland or San Diego next year?
boltaneer
10-20-2008, 03:00 PM
Cowher isn't coming to San Diego, that's for sure.
NFLBRONCO
10-20-2008, 03:02 PM
Dallas I bet
Mountain Bronco
10-20-2008, 03:16 PM
I agree pretty much with what 400 said and it seems to be the consensus of Charger fans in general.
Look at the games which Teddy played an aggressive attacking defense and the defense has looked pretty good. Look at the games where the defense has been more conservative and they get dinked and dunked to death. I know you can't play the same style against every team but I'm never a fan of letting the defense sit back and react to what's going on.
Teddy learned under Wade Phillips. Both he and Wade like to play a bend but don't break defense and they want to ultimately wait for the QB to make a mistake. It worked pretty well for Wade when he was here but against the better teams it almost always failed. It's just the same thing all over again with Teddy.
You don't wait for the QB to make a mistake. You pressure him into making one. I hear the same cries here for Slowick to be more aggressive. The difference between the two is that Slowick does the same thing every game. Teddy just seems to randomly pick a game to go more aggressive or not.
As for the 105.3 question, I can't say. I don't really listen to their Charger coverage on there.
A lot of truth to this post. Look at the one game Slowick attacked more (tampa) and the D showed some life. I wouldn't count the Chargers out. This was the easy part of the schedule. We have a lot of road games at the end of the year, which is going to be tough. However, going to London is looming large. It will plague them for weeks.
broncocalijohn
10-21-2008, 02:38 AM
I'm gonna bust this rant off now while we're discussing the Chargers, so when you hear it from me the next time I hear this 'travel' excuse from Bronco fans you'll have a frame of reference.
This 'travel to the East Coast is a killer' deal is pure garbage. So a West Coast team plays 3 hours earlier than they're used to, so what? It's like an urban legend, no legitimacy, it's all between the ears. It's not like there's a guy kicking each player in the nuts as they get off the plane. It's a measly 3 hours. It's a two hour time difference to Cleveland, Chicago, Green Bay, is that considered some huge deal? No, never gets mentioned, but that one extra hour difference between Chicago and Buffalo is some huge deal? This is one of the most ridiculous excuses ever seen in the sporting world. A team goes to the Eastern TZ, screws the pooch, and I hear this crap about biorhytms or some baloney. What a load of crap. It's even more ridiculous to hear it from Bronco fans as an excuse for a poor showing in the Eastern TZ.
stats tell another story of west coast teams traveling to the east coast. You might think it is mental but every team has this problem. Whatever it is, it is advantage East Coast.