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BroncoBuff
10-13-2008, 10:15 AM
Somebody might have posted this, but I DIDN'T SEE IT! :moody:

Cowboys’ DeMarcus Ware has shot at NFL record
By MAC ENGELtengel@star-telegram.com

IRVING — DeMarcus Ware wasn’t quite 6 when the classic sports film Bull Durham was released, so forgive him if he might not know some of the more immortal lines from the movie.

But there is one particular line from the central character, Crash Davis, that Ware unknowingly follows: "I told him that a player on a streak has to respect the streak.  ... You know why? Because they don’t — they don’t happen very often."

There are some R-rated words omitted from that line, but the point is true, with or without a few expletives. And, right now, Ware is in the middle of a streak, and the last thing he wants to do is talk about it. If he talks about it, then his streak might very well end. (To be fair, Ware doesn’t much care to talk to the media anyway, so maybe it was a convenient excuse to avoid this one, too.)

Dating to last season, Ware has registered a sack in seven consecutive games. Not since the days of George Andrie in the 1960s and Harvey Martin in the 1970s has a Cowboy put together a better streak. Not even Charles Haley put together the run Ware is on.

Despite the awareness by opposing defensive coaches and coordinators of Ware, and the near constant double-teaming he faces, he has a shot at the NFL record.

The NFL didn’t officially chart sacks until 1982, so anything before then doesn’t qualify. The NFL record for consecutive games with a sack is 10 set in 1992-93, but the Cowboys’ record is Martin’s 11 in 1976-77.

Since Ware isn’t talking, others will talk for him.

The league mark was set by Denver’s Simon Fletcher in 1992-93. Perhaps it’s a large coincidence that Ware and Fletcher played the same position, and for the same coach.

"Simon was a good pass rusher, but not as fast, not as agile, not as a lot of things that many people I’ve ever coached have," said Cowboys coach Wade Phillips, a Broncos assistant and then head coach in ’92-93.

With the immobile quarterbacks Ware is set to face over the next three weeks, he could very well at least catch Fletcher. Over the next three weeks, Ware is scheduled to see Carson Palmer of the Cincinnati Bengals, Kurt Warner of the Arizona Cardinals and Marc Bulger of the St. Louis Rams. Those three rank among the "leaders" in being sacked.

"He works at it. I think you’ll find most guys that get a lot of sacks find a way to do it," Cowboys defensive coordinator Brian Stewart said of Ware. "They’re going to work at it and find some way to get to the quarterback. I don’t know if it’s the streak, but it’s important for him to get to the quarterback."

This streak is another star to a growing reputation that has Ware being called the most complete linebacker in the game today.

There was a time when Ware was called the second-best, behind fellow 2005 draft pick Shawne Merriman. But with Merriman lost for the season to a knee injury, it’s not a stretch to suggest the top player from that entire draft has turned out to be Ware.

"He’s bigger, faster, stronger than any guy I’ve coached," Bengals coach Marvin Lewis said. "I was in the 3-4 [defense] with Greg Lloyd and Kevin Greene and later in the 4-3 [defense] with Peter Boulware. I’ve been fortunate to be around some great outside rushers. He has that and more. He’s a tremendous athlete."

A tremendous athlete in the pursuit of a tremendous record who, even if he hasn’t seen Bull Durham, knows the last thing you do during a streak is talk about it. As Crash Davis said, streaks don’t come around very often.

Dallas Cowboys’ record sack streak (the sack didn’t become an official NFL statistic until 1982)

Gms Player Year(s)
11 - Harvey Martin 1976-77
9 - Harvey Martin 1977
8 - George Andrie 1966-67
7 - DeMarcus Ware 2007-08


NFL record for consecutive games with a sack (the sack didn’t become an official statistic until 1982).

Gms Player, team Years
10 - Simon Fletcher, Broncos 1992-93
9 - Bruce Smith, Bills 1986–87
9 - Kevin Greene, 49ers/Panthers 1997-98
8 - many players



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Los Broncos
10-13-2008, 10:17 AM
Man, Ware is quicker than a puma, wish we had a pass rusher like that.

BroncoBuff
10-13-2008, 10:18 AM
Jarvis was supposed to be similar to Ware ...

broncocalijohn
10-13-2008, 10:22 AM
At least Fletcher will get his name in the media if Ware comes close. We know how good Fletcher was but when you are in the Rocky Mountains, it only seemed that Jim Rome knew who in the hell he was.

watermock
10-13-2008, 10:24 AM
Dallas runs a 3/4 I think.

Doggcow
10-13-2008, 10:28 AM
Could trading Clady for Ware be necessary to rebuild the defense?

BroncoBuff
10-13-2008, 11:13 AM
Could trading Clady for Ware be necessary to rebuild the defense?
I would do that ... but Dallas has Flozell Adams.

broncofan7
10-13-2008, 01:40 PM
I would do that ... but Dallas has Flozell Adams.

Really, you think that franchise LT's are easier to come by than pass rushing specialists/Lbs? Ever hear of the BLITZBURGH steelers who seem to find pass rushing LBs in all rounds of the draft? I seem to recall an old #55 from the Steelers who was a FA 2 season ago who would have been a nice addition to our team (Joey porter) .I say the untouchables on our offense are Cutler, Marshall and Clady---on defense, I don't think that anyone is untouchable, including Champ and I would trade a great small man for a great big man anyday. but that ain't happenin' due to Champ's age.......

footstepsfrom#27
10-13-2008, 01:49 PM
Could trading Clady for Ware be necessary to rebuild the defense?
Just learn how to freaking draft somebody OK?

Foochacho
10-13-2008, 02:46 PM
didn't clady own ware in preseason clady>ware.

but I still would love to have ware

BroncoBuff
10-13-2008, 04:12 PM
Really, you think that franchise LT's are easier to come by than pass rushing specialists/Lbs? Ever hear of the BLITZBURGH steelers who seem to find pass rushing LBs in all rounds of the draft? I seem to recall an old #55 from the Steelers who was a FA 2 season ago who would have been a nice addition to our team (Joey porter) .I say the untouchables on our offense are Cutler, Marshall and Clady---on defense, I don't think that anyone is untouchable, including Champ and I would trade a great small man for a great big man anyday. but that ain't happenin' due to Champ's age.......
I understand you love Clady ... I love Clady, too. But Ryan Harris is a stud, and Kuper can play RT. Demarcus Ware is at least as rare a player as Clady.

You have to take your Broncos glasses off to really evaluate this.

Foochacho
10-13-2008, 06:41 PM
good point we have depth at oline and nothing for a pass rush

broncofan7
10-14-2008, 07:07 AM
I understand you love Clady ... I love Clady, too. But Ryan Harris is a stud, and Kuper can play RT. Demarcus Ware is at least as rare a player as Clady.

You have to take your Broncos glasses off to really evaluate this.

Orange colored glasses have nothing to do with it. We have given no indication that we are switching fulltime to a 3-4.As I stated above, pass rushing LBS who play in a 3-4 are far more common than franchise LT's. Ware is a pass rushing LB--I would not trade a Franchise LT for a pass rushing LB---I would trade our franchise LT for 1 player on defense in the entire league--Mario Williams--why? Because he is as effective against the run as he is the pass--Ware has talent but 3-4 defenses also provide for more flexibility to isolate him on TE's and RB's ala Shaun Phillips of SD. Some of ware's productiveness has to do with the fact he is moved around a lot in Dallas's front. I am with you that we need to fix the pass rush--just not with Damarcus Ware for our Franchise LT.

BroncoBuff
10-14-2008, 10:24 AM
Okay 7, now I see what you mean. But if 3-4 OLBs are so easy to find, then why have Dumervil and Moss - both well suited in body-types and quickenss - been summarily rejected to play that position?

broncofan7
10-14-2008, 10:36 AM
B/c we don't have a true 3-4 coach here in Denver.

The Moops
10-15-2008, 02:16 PM
NFL record for consecutive games with a sack (the sack didn’t become an official statistic until 1982).

Gms Player, team Years
10 - Simon Fletcher, Broncos 1992-93
9 - Bruce Smith, Bills 1986–87
9 - Kevin Greene, 49ers/Panthers 1997-98
8 - many players


And Fletcher still can't get anyone from the Broncos to elect him to the Ring of Fame . . . he's probably the most underrated Bronco of all time.

Never mentioned by the Peter Kings, Paul Zimmermans, etc.

Heck, he's a Bronco. No wonder!

DHallblows
10-15-2008, 02:42 PM
He always was my favorite Bronco when I was like 8. Granted that was mostly because Simon is my first name :~ohyah!:

Inkana7
10-15-2008, 04:11 PM
I understand you love Clady ... I love Clady, too. But Ryan Harris is a stud, and Kuper can play RT. Demarcus Ware is at least as rare a player as Clady.

You have to take your Broncos glasses off to really evaluate this.

No matter what kind of glasses you have on, that idea is stupid.

Drek
10-15-2008, 04:23 PM
Could trading Clady for Ware be necessary to rebuild the defense?

Hell no.

Clady is a unique talent. Harris is good, Kuper looks like he should be good wherever we find a home for him, but Clady is unique. He handles speed rushers and power rushers with natural ease and doesn't commit penalties (first one was this weekend and it was a BS call).

We have three other unique talents on this entire team. Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall, and Champ Bailey. Two of those three are offensive players and very near Clady in age.

Why would we possibly want to break up that kind of trio? Once they each polish some of their own unique rough edges we're looking at a top 5 offense for a decade or more just on the backs of those three elite talents.

We need to fix the defense, but not at the expense of gutting our offense.

BroncoBuff
10-15-2008, 04:28 PM
To be accurate, that was his third penalty this year. There was a also a hold and a chop block.

The worst penalty this week was the horrible pi call on Marlon McRee very late in the game on third down ... at that point, there was still a chance we could've won the game.

kupesdad
10-15-2008, 11:43 PM
To be accurate, that was his third penalty this year. There was a also a hold and a chop block.

The worst penalty this week was the horrible pi call on Marlon McRee very late in the game on third down ... at that point, there was still a chance we could've won the game.
Good point on the penalties...I think Kuper and possibly Wiegmann don't have any penalties this year. The whole OL is doing a stellar job avoiding Sacks and penalties... Hello to Mr Fantastic if you are out lurking.. It was great to meet you last weekend

broncocalijohn
10-16-2008, 12:21 AM
Good point on the penalties...I think Kuper and possibly Wiegmann don't have any penalties this year. The whole OL is doing a stellar job avoiding Sacks and penalties... Hello to Mr Fantastic if you are out lurking.. It was great to meet you last weekend

i dont think you will have any problems here at the Mane that starts, "What is wrong with our Offensive line?" By my sig, I am one of many here fans of not only the OLine, but also of Chris. Wiegmann has done what Tom would be doing for us if he was healthy.

mrfabulous
10-16-2008, 07:14 AM
Good point on the penalties...I think Kuper and possibly Wiegmann don't have any penalties this year. The whole OL is doing a stellar job avoiding Sacks and penalties... Hello to Mr Fantastic if you are out lurking.. It was great to meet you last weekend

Thanks, Kupesdad. I'm glad I recognized you from Chris's picture. You look alike although he must have gotten his height from somewhere else in the gene pool. I'll look for you after the games in Denver so we can critique the o-line play.

BroncoBuff
10-16-2008, 08:40 AM
Good point on the penalties...I think Kuper and possibly Wiegmann don't have any penalties this year. The whole OL is doing a stellar job avoiding Sacks and penalties.
This O-Line is so exciting ... so young, too. I wish we had Tom Nalen in there, but what're you gonna do?

All three of Clady's penalties have been borderline nonsense calls ... the chop block call (and fine) was especially weak. I still say half of Clady's hand on the Charger's shoulder was because he knew the pass was gone and he was steadying the guy from Hamilton's cut block below. The penalty is supposed to be for a chop "block," not a chop "touch on the shoulder." There was another questionable chop penalty this past weekend against somebody, a similar touch of the hand there too. Must be a point of emphasis this year.

BroncoBuff
10-16-2008, 08:48 AM
i dont think you will have any problems here at the Mane that starts, "What is wrong with our Offensive line?" By my sig, I am one of many here fans of not only the OLine, but also of Chris. Wiegmann has done what Tom would be doing for us if he was healthy.
Your sig kinda says it all. And it's why I still think Clady for Ware would be a great deal. It's all nonsense speculation of course, and I am very looking forward to watching Clady (and Kuper and Harris) protect Jay in the year 2020 and later .... but the difference of Demarcus Ware over Engleberger/Moss could actually win us games right now. While Ryan Harris to LT and Pears/Kuper/Polumbus to RT would be a far less of a W-L affecting change.

SureShot
10-16-2008, 09:19 AM
For those of you that would trade Clady I have something for you...

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