Woody on the money

[MILEHIGHMOUTH]

The theme: Shut up, win some football games, stop talking like an immature clown, and do something before you start acting as though you have arrived.

Woody obviously gets it.

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_10706376

"There's no need for anyone to panic or anything," said the young man who claims to have a stronger arm than John Legend, the quarterback. On Sunday, his arm didn't look any stronger than singer John Legend's.

"It's not panic time" was the exhortation on Wall Street in New York several weeks ago. Now, that same declaration was being uttered on Bryant Street in Denver.

If not Sunday, when are we supposed to panic — after another loss in New England, at home on Nov. 2 after the Miami game, on Thanksgiving weekend when the Broncos play several miles from Wall Street against the New York Jets, or when the Broncos finish 7-9 again?

The young man with an arm that recently has been as erratic as his statements may want to go into panic mode soon.

The Broncos should be 6-0. Instead, they are 4-2, and could have been 1-5 if not for a premature referee's whistle, an opponent's missed field goal and the presence of a lousy opposing quarterback who used to have the same kind of attitude as a young man in Denver — and never started a playoff game while with the Broncos. Neither has this young man.

The young man with the self- proclaimed golden arm reportedly said in an exclusive interview with a magazine that he would be "very surprised, actually" if the Broncos didn't end up first in the AFC West. The Broncos should be running away with the division, not running at the mouth about playoffs and such. The way they played Sunday, everybody would be "very surprised, actually" if they won the division.

The Broncos' defense is not the No. 1 dilemma any longer. The offense was supposed to be the solution, but has become the primary problem.

The Broncos scored 41, 39 and 34 points in the first three games.They have scored 19, 16 and 17 in the past three. Given the defense's inadequacies, a 17.3-point average by the offense won't win many, if any, more.

The "What? Me Worry?" QB should be concerned about himself and his receivers. The young man has thrown three interceptions in three games and fumbled twice, and, of course, he had the un-immaculate fumble in the San Diego game.

At Kansas City, the young man was intercepted twice, and his receivers fumbled twice. At the stadium on Bryant Street on Sunday, he was intercepted once and fumbled once. His favorite target, Brandon Marshall, fumbled for the third time (losing two), this time at the Jacksonville 7-yard line when the Broncos had a decent opportunity to go up 14-3 in the second quarter. Instead, they went down 10-7 and never led again.

"We're OK," said the young man. The Broncos are not OK, I say. (I picked them to win their first six. Two turnovers.)

The Broncos were chewed up and spit out by the Jaguars for the fifth game in the nine the teams have played — including the most famous upset.

Cruel turnovers are dragging them down. "Unfortunately, we had three turnovers, which gave them 10 points, and that got us behind the 8-ball," coach Mike Shanahan said. Rack 'em.

The Broncos are minus-4 in turnover ratio this season, which ranks them among the rank teams in the NFL.

From their first drive touchdown to their next-to-last drive touchdown, the Broncos fumbled, were intercepted, fumbled, lost the ball on fourth-and-1 (a Shanahan turnover, as it turned out), punted, made a field goal, punted and punted. And their final possession was three-and-out. Jacksonville had the ball 11:59-3:01 in the final quarter.

The Broncos showed about as much imagination on offense as a stick drawing. They were trying to win in the same manner they did the week before against Tampa Bay, but David Garrard, not Brian Griese, was the opposing quarterback. And the young man who would be king passed poorly. Garrard said his coach, Jack Del Rio, told the Jags that the game would be "a turning point in our season." The Jaguars played with urgency; the Broncos played with indifference.

In the fourth quarter, the Broncos were milling around on the sideline or sitting with heads bowed on the bench. On the field, their mood matched the doom-and-gloom day.

They were in a fog.

The old man with the inferior arm might have rallied his team. The young man didn't.

"We still have New England next week and a bye after that," said the young man, whose only hurry-up offense occurred when he met the media. "So we can rest a little bit." Rest? Take it one bye at a time? "We just have to go back to the film and look at it. Be critical, and move on."

The 75,674 who turned out alternated their boos and cheers, booze and jeers. They were critical. They moved on.

Panic, psychologists say, is an acceptable reaction to a disastrous situation. The Broncos do need to panic.

Woody Paige: 303-954-1095 or wpaige@denverpost.com

[theAPAOps5]

Oh Look yesterdays idiot is back.

[FantomForce]

Woody (man this hurts to say) you are right, right, right!

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

What did the five fingers say to the face?

[theAPAOps5]

To bad Cutler was forced to conduct that sporting news interview. But hey lets not let facts get in the way of the new posters freak out sessions.

[MILEHIGHMOUTH]

I'm an idiot because I don't agree that Jay Cutler has done anything to suggest he is a big time quarterback yet?

Alright so if I say he is, them I'm okay with you?

Grow up.

[go_broncos]

Woody is correct..

I never seen Brady say that he is better than Elway/Montana..

Just Shutup and Play..Cutler.

[Beantown Bronco]

I never seen Brady say that he is better than Elway/Montana..

Neither has Jay.

[Spider]

I'm an idiot because I don't agree that Jay Cutler has done anything to suggest he is a big time quarterback yet?

Alright so if I say he is, them I'm okay with you?

Grow up.

Oh jeez so much drama ....... Look I will spell it out for you , no one gives a damn if you like Cutler or not , you are just another azzhole on the internet , nothing special .....2 things 1. you go way over the top , example Gerrard is the better qb cause he won , that **** wont cut it #2 it is the way you frame your arguments that make you an Idiot .........

[MILEHIGHMOUTH]

Again you miss my points entirely.

I never said that Garrard was a better and more polished quarterback at this juncture than Cutler is because he won yesterday.

I said Garrad is better right now...period.

Why do you feel the need to call names and act like an ingrate simply because my points don't jive with your own?

In his column today, Woody makes many of the points that I have been making since yesterday.

If you cannot see that Cutler has a looong way to go, before arriving as a top 10 quarterback in the NFL, then what can I say?

We agree to disagree, that's all.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Again you miss my points entirely.

I never said that Garrard was a better and more polished quarterback at this juncture than Cutler is because he won yesterday.

I said Garrad is better right now...period.

Why do you feel the need to call names and act like an ingrate simply because my points don't jive with your own?

In his column today, Woody makes many of the points that I have been making since yesterday.

If you cannot see that Cutler has a looong way to go, before arriving as a top 10 quarterback in the NFL, then what can I say?

We agree to disagree, that's all.

You'd honestly say that, if you were to build a team from scratch today, you'd take David Garrard over Jay Cutler?

[Beantown Bronco]

If you cannot see that Cutler has a looong way to go, before arriving as a top 10 quarterback in the NFL, then what can I say?

By saying he has a looong way to go before even being in the top 10, then one can conclude that you think he is at best #15....maybe even #20. I will anxiously await the listing of said QBs.

[go_broncos]

Neither has Jay.

"I have a stronger arm than John (Elway), hands down," Cutler reportedly told Steve Greenberg. "I'll bet on it against anybody's in the league. Brett Favre's got a cannon. But on game days, there's nobody in the league who's going to throw it harder than I am at all."

Why to say these things..??

[theAPAOps5]

I'm an idiot because I don't agree that Jay Cutler has done anything to suggest he is a big time quarterback yet?

Alright so if I say he is, them I'm okay with you?

Grow up.

Ha its not what you say its how you say it. Again sir you are an idiot. Another worthless pathetic poster (based on attitude) to join this site. We have been infected by a lot of your type lately.

[Grumps]

I'm an idiot because I don't agree that Jay Cutler has done anything to suggest he is a big time quarterback yet?

Alright so if I say he is, them I'm okay with you?

Grow up.

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k145/bubba_thudd/images-1.jpg

[Spider]

Again you miss my points entirely.

I never said that Garrard was a better and more polished quarterback at this juncture than Cutler is because he won yesterday.

I said Gerrad is better right now...period. meh you asked who we would pick after the loss Gerrard or Cutler ..........

Why do you feel the need to call names and act like an ingrate simply because my points don't jive with your own? stop it , you are making me blush no need to point out how nice of a guy I am .. But tried ot carry on a conversation with you , it went no where , so **** you . you want ot be an ass , I will treat you like one ......

In his column today, Woody makes many of the points that I have been making since yesterday. you know why i never ever quote sports writers ? cause they do more flip flops then a politician , I remember when Kizla thought it would have been a good Idea to trade Elway to the Bears back in 90 .......

If you cannot see that Cutler has a looong way to go, before arriving as a top 10 quarterback in the NFL, then what can I say? how fast your message changed , several people told you to stop being an Idiot , your bashing was over the top , no one said Cutler was the perfect QB , but the way yo uwas bashing him ........

We agree to disagree, that's all.
you are new here , so some survival tips
...... never paint yourself into a corner
....... be moderate . you wouldnt have got any flak if you had said ...... for a QB with alot of upside , Cutler sure didnt show it today , you would have got the he didnt have receivers ......etc ........

[Beantown Bronco]

"I have a stronger arm than John (Elway), hands down," Cutler reportedly told Steve Greenberg. "I'll bet on it against anybody's in the league. Brett Favre's got a cannon. But on game days, there's nobody in the league who's going to throw it harder than I am at all."

Why to say these things..??

Again. Nowhere in there did he say that he was better than either John Elway or Joe Montana......like I said.

[theAPAOps5]

"I have a stronger arm than John (Elway), hands down," Cutler reportedly told Steve Greenberg. "I'll bet on it against anybody's in the league. Brett Favre's got a cannon. But on game days, there's nobody in the league who's going to throw it harder than I am at all."

Why to say these things..??

Because he was asked the ****ing question and he answered. Its not like he just went around saying it. Even the damn reporter said he clearly idolizes Elway and it took about 5 questions worded differently before he even said it. He was interviewed on The Fan this morning.

Got you guys will freak out over the littlest thing. Hey Jay spit on the field I guess he is a crass, rude, pathetic overrated individual.

[PRBronco]

Oh is it cool to criticize Jay now? Jackasses. You have no idea how lucky we are.

[MILEHIGHMOUTH]

No, however, if you are asking me what quarterback I would take to beat New England next Monday night, I would take Garrard right now without a second thought.

David Garrad is a hell of a quarterback, he doesn't come equipped with the same build-up as Cutler does, however, he is a terrific leader, has a great feel for the game, is smart, makes good decisons with the football, is cool in the pocket under pressure, and generally is ahead of Jay Cutler in virtually every intangible you may wish to argue.

Cutler may eventually be better than David Garrard is - but right now he isn't.

[MILEHIGHMOUTH]

I guess that Woody has the same 'attitude' that I have...

[theAPAOps5]

No he isn't nearly as pathetic as you are.

[MILEHIGHMOUTH]

Again, name calling...what's that word the other guy uses?

Meh?

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Cutler may eventually be better than David Garrard is - but right now he isn't.

I personally know an NFL scout that completely disagrees with you. "Agree to disagree" or whatever, but I'd take his word any day of the week. And it's not just him - there are a number of guys that are paid to watch the NFL on a daily basis that agree that Cutler has more going for him than Garrard.

(And as far as "cool in the pocket" - Jay holds up just fine, but it's not hard for Garrard to look composed when going up against the vaunted Broncos pass rush)

[JimmyFocus]

I guess that Woody has the same 'attitude' that I have...

that really isnt something you want to brag about

[lifeafter elway]

give me a break - he had a bad game.

he is gonna be fine. He is well on his way to being a elite qb. Does he have some growing up to do, yes.

As for Gerrard: He got to play against our defense yesterday. We make everyone look like future HOFs

[go_broncos]

No, however, if you are asking me what quarterback I would take to beat New England next Monday night, I would take Garrard right now without a second thought.

David Garrad is a hell of a quarterback, he doesn't come equipped with the same build-up as Cutler does, however, he is a terrific leader, has a great feel for the game, is smart, makes good decisons with the football, is cool in the pocket under pressure, and generally is ahead of Jay Cutler in virtually every intangible you may wish to argue.

Cutler may eventually be better than David Garrard is - but right now he isn't.

If cutler is facing our defense..he will score more than 24 points.
I will take Cutler over Garrad..

To your logic..Do u take Huard over Cutler?

That being said.there are flaws in cutler's game(Fumbles, throwing to Marshall only)..He also speaks too much..

I hope he improves ..

[theAPAOps5]

Again, name calling...what's that word the other guy uses?

Meh?

The word pathetic is a descriptive word not a name. Based on how you treated others yesterday the words pathetic and idiot are very descriptive.

[Broncoman13]

I'm an idiot


You finally got one right! Congrats! And here I was thinking you were unaware of the obvious.

[MILEHIGHMOUTH]

Hmmm...well, if your idea of a cool and calm collected quarterback is one who stands flat footed in the pocket, looks razzled at the sight of a pass rush, and generally looks very shaky at times while surveying the field...

Hey look, i don't care if it's an NFL scout or not, I would disagree that if someone were to argue that Garrard is behind Cutler right now...to me this is simply delusional thinking.

As far as which quarterback has 'more going for them'...that isn't my argument.

My claim is that at this very second, David Garrad is a better NFL quarterback than Jay Cutler is.

That, and my feeling that Cutler has a long way to go before he is ordained as anything resembling an NFL Pro Bowl Quarterback.

Do I need to remind you that I hope he gets there?

[Grumps]

I knew this guy who posted a lot in a short time. This guy liked to stir crap up like MHM and was also banned recently.

[Beantown Bronco]

I'm still waiting for my list of 15-20 QBs that are....today....better than Jay.

[MILEHIGHMOUTH]

I'm not stirring anything, I'm simply stating my opinions on the subject.

But I have to go for now...Dino Costa is back on my radio...NOW!

I have to listen to his show.

Seee you guys later.

[theAPAOps5]

I knew this guy who posted a lot in a short time. This guy liked to stir crap up like MHM and was also banned recently.

Taco John said this guys IP isn't like any of the other IPs that Casino Royal used. So I don't think its him but damn they sure have a lot of similarities.

[theAPAOps5]

I'm not stirring anything, I'm simply stating my opinions on the subject.

But I have to go for now...Dino Costa is back on my radio...NOW!

I have to listen to his show.

Seee you guys later.

Take your time. In fact if you really want to go work on that list of 15-20 QBs that are better. That way we won't have to deal with you anymore.

[Hamrob]

Ha its not what you say its how you say it. Again sir you are an idiot. Another worthless pathetic poster (based on attitude) to join this site. We have been infected by a lot of your type lately.What an ignorant post. Yeah, I suppose everybody out there should agree with your dribble. Let's shut down the site and only have jerks like yourself contribute to discussions...oh boy would that be great!

Idiot!

[theAPAOps5]

What an ignorant post. Yeah, I suppose everybody out there should agree with your dribble. Let's shut down the site and only have jerks like yourself contribute to discussions...oh boy would that be great!

Idiot!

Well then a lot of regulars are ignorant and post dribble because there have been a lot of idiots who have joined lately. Just look at the first page of the site.

I also want to make it clear I don't lump you in that category so if you took offense I apologize.

[MILEHIGHMOUTH]

I'll be back after Dino's show with a list of QB's who RIGHT NOW are better quarterbacks than Jay Cutler is.

But I gotta go now...Dino is on my radio.

I never ever miss the Dino Costa Show.

[theAPAOps5]

Again take your time no rush.

[Hamrob]

Oh jeez so much drama ....... Look I will spell it out for you , no one gives a damn if you like Cutler or not , you are just another azzhole on the internet , nothing special .....2 things 1. you go way over the top , example Gerrard is the better qb cause he won , that **** wont cut it #2 it is the way you frame your arguments that make you an Idiot .........Spider...why such hate? Different people have different opinions. Isn't that what this site is supposed to be about...sharing thoughts and opinions? Why disrespect one another?

[theAPAOps5]

Spider...why such hate? Different people have different opinions. Isn't that what this site is supposed to be about...sharing thoughts and opinions? Why disrespect one another?

Go back and read his 34 posts from yesterday. It progressively deteriorates. You are treated based on how you treat others. BlueFlame basically told him to check his attitude or he won't last long on this site.

[Spider]

No, however, if you are asking me what quarterback I would take to beat New England next Monday night, I would take Garrard right now without a second thought. I am not asking you a damn thing ........

David Garrad is a hell of a quarterback, he doesn't come equipped with the same build-up as Cutler does, however, he is a terrific leader, has a great feel for the game, is smart, makes good decisons with the football, is cool in the pocket under pressure, and generally is ahead of Jay Cutler in virtually every intangible you may wish to argue. meh ...... in every game ? bull****
Cutler may eventually be better than David Garrard is - but right now he isn't.well i will get this memo to Shanny and alot of NFL coaches , they re waiting for your take on Cutler

[Hamrob]

Well then a lot of regulars are ignorant and post dribble because there have been a lot of idiots who have joined lately. Just look at the first page of the site.

I also want to make it clear I don't lump you in that category so if you took offense I apologize.Look...then perhaps the mods or whoever is supposed to be overseeing the site should have a tighter reign on who posts here at the mane. But, the constant attacks on folks, just because they have varying opinions is getting ugly.

I would think that the Mane would welcome new posters...with additional thoughts and opinions than just the usual suspects.

I've always enjoyd this site because of the knowlegable posters who seemed to really enjoy discussing all things Broncos...but man, have a difference of opinion...and you're an idiot and should be castrated! Not my idea of good conversation.

[Spider]

Spider...why such hate? Different people have different opinions. Isn't that what this site is supposed to be about...sharing thoughts and opinions? Why disrespect one another?

Sharing Ideas does not translate into putting up with Idiots ...........

[theAPAOps5]

Look...then perhaps the mods or whoever is supposed to be overseeing the site should have a tighter reign on who posts here at the mane. But, the constant attacks on folks, just because they have varying opinions is getting ugly.

I would think that the Mane would welcome new posters...with additional thoughts and opinions than just the usual suspects.

I've always enjoyd this site because of the knowlegable posters who seemed to really enjoy discussing all things Broncos...but man, have a difference of opinion...and you're an idiot and should be castrated! Not my idea of good conversation.


No not true. I rarely disagree with Cutthemdown but we have pretty civilized discussions. But it has to go both ways. No one agreed with MHM and he went into full attack mode. So what you are saying is the regulars should just accept his attitude because he is new? Thats crap he was being an idiot yesterday and I will call him that. But thanks for your opinion.

[Hamrob]

Go back and read his 34 posts from yesterday. It progressively deteriorates. You are treated based on how you treat others. BlueFlame basically told him to check his attitude or he won't last long on this site.Then why respond to the posts. Simply move on and ignore them?

[elsid13]

Hmmm...well, if your idea of a cool and calm collected quarterback is one who stands flat footed in the pocket, looks razzled at the sight of a pass rush, and generally looks very shaky at times while surveying the field...

Hey look, i don't care if it's an NFL scout or not, I would disagree that if someone were to argue that Garrard is behind Cutler right now...to me this is simply delusional thinking.

As far as which quarterback has 'more going for them'...that isn't my argument.

My claim is that at this very second, David Garrad is a better NFL quarterback than Jay Cutler is.

That, and my feeling that Cutler has a long way to go before he is ordained as anything resembling an NFL Pro Bowl Quarterback.

Do I need to remind you that I hope he gets there?


Why don't you just start another thread why Croyle is better then Cutler

[theAPAOps5]

Then why respond to the posts. Simply move on and ignore them?

Because I don't feel like ignorning them.

[theAPAOps5]

Why don't you just start another thread why Croyle is better then Cutler

Hmmm very astute observation. Could this be another moniker for Bob?

[TonyR]

Go back and read his 34 posts from yesterday. It progressively deteriorates. You are treated based on how you treat others. BlueFlame basically told him to check his attitude or he won't last long on this site.

Funny but the one I'm noticing with an attitude here is you. He's making some good and fair points and you're flaming him and making no points. You can't beat him in civilized debate so you resort to name calling. It's the typical response from the less intelligent who feel entitled to something, I assume in your case just because you have more posts.

The whole point of discussion forums is to debate and discuss. When people like you and others here mindlessly trash people who disagree with you it certainly does nothing to raise the quality level of the debate.

[Spider]

Then why respond to the posts. Simply move on and ignore them?

who in the **** are you to come here and tell people what to do ?
where they can or cant post ? what to respond to what to ignore ?

[theAPAOps5]

Funny but the one I'm noticing with an attitude here is you. He's making some good and fair points and you're flaming him and making no points. You can't beat him in civilized debate so you resort to name calling. It's the typical response from the less intelligent who feel entitled to something, I assume in your case just because you have more posts.

The whole point of discussion forums is to debate and discuss. When people like you and others here mindlessly trash people who disagree with you it certainly does nothing to raise the quality level of the debate.


Thanks I appreciate your input.

Yes I do have an attitude and probably am attacking a little harsh. But when you log in to discuss the loss and see 6 threads about how Cutler sucks and is overrated it tends to wear on you. That and the way he was reacting to people disagreeing with him I don't see the point in being civilized.

Again thanks for the input though.

[Miss I.]

Why don't you just start another thread why Croyle is better then Cutler

Well KC fans could make the case for Croyle by saying he hasn't lost a game in 2 weeks. Of course this ignores the fact that he hasn't played since he got a bobo, oops I mean booboo first week of playing and also he hasn't won any games outside a preseason game. Either way you may be tempting fate and Bob by asking that.

[Spider]

Funny but the one I'm noticing with an attitude here is you. He's making some good and fair points and you're flaming him and making no points. You can't beat him in civilized debate so you resort to name calling. It's the typical response from the less intelligent who feel entitled to something, I assume in your case just because you have more posts.

The whole point of discussion forums is to debate and discuss. When people like you and others here mindlessly trash people who disagree with you it certainly does nothing to raise the quality level of the debate.

Thats a 2 way street , dont come in here acting the ass , then expect people to give you a debate ....... wtf is that ?
either you bring something ot the table , of get trashed

[Spider]

Thanks I appreciate your input.

Yes I do have an attitude and probably am attacking a little harsh. But when you log in to discuss the loss and see 6 threads about how Cutler sucks and is overrated it tends to wear on you.

Dude , you have done nothing wrong ........ no need to apologize .....MHM was being an azzhole he got called on it .. end of story

[theAPAOps5]

Dude , you have done nothing wrong ........ no need to apologize .....MHM was being an azzhole he got called on it .. end of story

I am not apologizing for it just explaining it.

[Spider]

I am not apologizing for it just explaining it.

;D

[BroncoBen]

I don't know.. I think there is plenty of blame to go around. Maybe things will get better when Shef and Eddie come back.. hopefully they will for the Pats game.

[MILEHIGHMOUTH]

Come on now, I never said that Jay Cutler 'sucks', I never said he was overrated either.

What I have been saying, is that Jay Cutler is a quarterback who has not yet arrived as a bona fide NFL franchise type quarterback.

I've also said I hope it happens - but at this point its not even close.

I also have pointed out what I consider to be his struggles in many aspects of his game.

As for the list - and no, Brody Croyle is not a better QB than Jay Cutler, and NEVER have I said that my determination of Cutler, or any other QB has anything to do with a win versus a loss against one another.

These quarterbacks in my estimation, are better quarterbacks at this stage right now than Jay Cutler is:

DREW BREES
KURT WARNER
TONY ROMO
DONAVAN MCNABB
PHILLIP RIVERS
AARON RODGERS
ELI MANNING
PEYTON MANNING
DAVID GARRARD
MATT RYAN
BRETT FAVRE
TRENT EDWARDS
BEN ROETHLISBERGER

I believe each of the above listed are better and more NFL prepared all around, than Jay Cutler is at this point.

I'm gonna call Dino Costa to see what he thinks...

[theAPAOps5]

Come on now, I never said that Jay Cutler 'sucks', I never said he was overrated either.

What I have been saying, is that Jay Cutler is a quarterback who has not yet arrived as a bona fide NFL franchise type quarterback.

I've also said I hope it happens - but at this point its not even close.

I also have pointed out what I consider to be his struggles in many aspects of his game.

As for the list - and no, Brody Croyle is not a better QB than Jay Cutler, and NEVER have I said that my determination of Cutler, or any other QB has anything to do with a win versus a loss against one another.

These quarterbacks in my estimation, are better quarterbacks at this stage right now than Jay Cutler is:

DREW BREES
KURT WARNER
TONY ROMO
DONAVAN MCNABB
PHILLIP RIVERS
AARON RODGERS
ELI MANNING
PEYTON MANNING
DAVID GARRARD
MATT RYAN
BRETT FAVRE
TRENT EDWARDS
BEN ROETHLISBERGER

I believe eachj of the above listed are better and more NFL prepared all around, than Jay Cutler is at this point.

I'm gonna call Dino Costa to see what he thinks...

Sorry I can't take you serious when you have the 3 I bolded listed. That is just funny.

[MILEHIGHMOUTH]

I respect your decision to disagree with me.

Would you also do me a favor and break it down for me?

Tell me why you feel that Warner and Edwards and Matt Ryan are inferior quarterbacks at this moment - as compared with Jay Cutler.

Thanks.

[Foochacho]

tell me why you have aaron rodgers, matt ryan and trent edwards in that list? What have any of these qb's shown that is better than cutty?

[theAPAOps5]

I respect your decision to disagree with me.

Tell me what Dino says. I am interested to see.

[Spider]

Come on now, I never said that Jay Cutler 'sucks', I never said he was overrated either.

What I have been saying, is that Jay Cutler is a quarterback who has not yet arrived as a bona fide NFL franchise type quarterback.

I've also said I hope it happens - but at this point its not even close.

I also have pointed out what I consider to be his struggles in many aspects of his game.

As for the list - and no, Brody Croyle is not a better QB than Jay Cutler, and NEVER have I said that my determination of Cutler, or any other QB has anything to do with a win versus a loss against one another.

These quarterbacks in my estimation, are better quarterbacks at this stage right now than Jay Cutler is:

DREW BREES
KURT WARNER
TONY ROMO
DONAVAN MCNABB
PHILLIP RIVERS
AARON RODGERS
ELI MANNING
PEYTON MANNING
DAVID GARRARD
MATT RYAN
BRETT FAVRE
TRENT EDWARDS
BEN ROETHLISBERGER

I believe each of the above listed are better and more NFL prepared all around, than Jay Cutler is at this point.

I'm gonna call Dino Costa to see what he thinks...

and it hasnt dawned on you yet why you are not HC in the NFL or a GM ....... go figure

[MILEHIGHMOUTH]

Yes, Spider, alright, but may you please make some points in regard to my list - and maybe how your list would differ, and how?

Thank you.

[MILEHIGHMOUTH]

tell me why you have aaron rodgers, matt ryan and trent edwards in that list? What have any of these qb's shown that is better than cutty?

I would be happy too, but at this point, I'm more interested in your opinion on this issue more so than my own.

I've already made several points in regard to Jay Cutler - so do me a favor and critique the quarterbacks based upon your feelings.

[summerdenver]

People have varying opions about cutler and as someone who lived outside of colorado I can tell you most non-bronco fans are not very high on cutler. Lets face it he is 13-14 lifetime and everytime he approaches 500 he seems to play a bad game. May be growing pains but how long? Is it fair to say that in the next 2 years he has to start playng consistently over a 4-5 game stretch?

The more worrying issue to me is the Football outsiders article about last year which said cutler threw most of his interceptions while trying to force the ball to Marshall (Yes this started last year). Sorry could have porvided the link but I am too laxy to look for it now. He continues to do that this year. IIRC, 4 of his 5 interceptions this year were on passes intended for Marshall. Is it a coincidence that Cutler had his best game when Marhsall was out of the line up? Seriously, is there a defenseive coordinator out there who is not going to double Marshall? Denver's response seems to be to heck with it, we will complete throws in double coverage and force you out of it which has a low chance of working consistently.

The post game interviews don't give me confidence that this will improve any time soon. The attitude seems to be that they are just trying to make plays and could not pull it off this time but will next time. Mike obviously has high hope for cutler and seems reluctant to curb his aggresiveness. Lord knows how this will change unless someone admits that this is a problem and tries to fix it. If we don't then like woody said here comes 7-9 again.

[Spider]

Yes, Spider, alright, but may you please make some points in regard to my list - and maybe how your list would differ, and how?

Thank you.
make points ? whats the use ?
My list ?
top ten QB's right now ? I cant come up with 10 , only 6 that stand out
1. Eli Maning
2. Pay me a ton
3.Brees
4.Cutler
5.Rivers
6.Romo ( for a system QB )
the rest ........meh they all blend in

[theAPAOps5]

Wow many people outside of Colorado I have talked with are very high on Cutler. I guess its just who you talk to.

[summerdenver]

Wow many people outside of Colorado I have talked with are very high on Cutler. I guess its just who you talk to.

Do you atleast agree that most say he has lot potential but not there yet?

[Foochacho]

Your putting matt ryan and aaron rodgers on that list a little prematurely. They simply don't have enough games under their belts to say they are better than cutler. I would like to see these qb's play a whole season before I put them above anyone. Remember how good derek anderson looked last year? So much for that.

I do agree that cutler is not elite yet but he is still young and has shown us enough promise to be a top tier quarterback in this league. After the first three games this season I am sure you were all over cutlers jock just like every one else was. And I am sure you can see the potential he has. He still makes mistakes but even his bad games look like a good game to most qbs. He has a hell of an arm and can put it in a tiny window ( a gift that many if the greats have had). He was missing his recievers last game and when you are a qb timing is everything when passing to players you don't see to often you will overthrow them or underthrow them it happens. You also have to love the fact that he will try to plow over a defender. He is a leader and a fine competitor. I love the potential.

[elsid13]

People have varying opions about cutler and as someone who lived outside of colorado I can tell you most non-bronco fans are not very high on cutler. Lets face it he is 13-14 lifetime and everytime he approaches 500 he seems to play a bad game. May be growing pains but how long? Is it fair to say that in the next 2 years he has to start playng consistently over a 4-5 game stretch?
The more worrying issue to me is the Football outsiders article about last year which said cutler threw most of his interceptions while trying to force the ball to Marshall (Yes this started last year). Sorry could have porvided the link but I am too laxy to look for it now. He continues to do that this year. IIRC, 4 of his 5 interceptions this year were on passes intended for Marshall. Is it a coincidence that Cutler had his best game when Marhsall was out of the line up? Seriously, is there a defenseive coordinator out there who is not going to double Marshall? Denver's response seems to be to heck with it, we will complete throws in double coverage and force you out of it which has a low chance of working consistently.

The post game interviews don't give me confidence that this will improve any time soon. The attitude seems to be that they are just trying to make plays and could not pull it off this time but will next time. Mike obviously has high hope for cutler and seems reluctant to curb his aggresiveness. Lord knows how this will change unless someone admits that this is a problem and tries to fix it. If we don't then like woody said here comes 7-9 again.

That weird because I have lot of non-Denver fans in my area and all of them say how lucky Denver is to have Culter. Most think he going to be a top 5 QB real soon.

[enjolras]

Cutler has some growing to do. He's an average QB with way above average talent. Yesterday was absolutely the worst game he's played in quite awhile. On one pivotal 3rd down yesterday he tried (yet again) to force the ball into Marshall while Graham was running literally uncovered 30 yards down the field. I don't know if it came across on TV, but from my vantage point at the stadium it was clear that he never even bothered to consider a second read.

Ironically, there was another play earlier in the game where Marshall was WIDE open for a first down, and instead he tried to force the ball into the flat. To me Cutler looks like a 2nd or 3rd year QB. Brady had games like this. Elway had games like this. Peyton had a bunch of games like this.

It takes time....

[theAPAOps5]

Do you atleast agree that most say he has lot potential but not there yet?

Of course he isn't where he will be yet. Neither was Elway. But he is far better than a lot on that list. The thing I am looking for is how he reacts after bad games. Last week he came back and played nicely. I expect the same thing next week. He was limited on Sunday with all the injuries and playing from behind you are forced to throw it more. So he locked on and had a bad game. As long as he isn't like Plummer where he gets worse I am pleased.

[Beantown Bronco]

What I have been saying, is that Jay Cutler is a quarterback who has not yet arrived as a bona fide NFL franchise type quarterback.

Shanny disagrees.

And to put Matt Ryan on that list is laughable and insulting. We all agree that Cutler had a bad game yesterday....and he still managed to go for 200 yards and 2 TDs. That would be a great game for Ryan, who has only gone for over 200 yards ONCE so far this year.

Matt had a great day against TB as well. 13-33 for 158 yards, 0 TDs, 2 INTs and a fumble. So much better than Cutler against the same team......

Another gem....this time against Carolina. 21-41 for 158 yards and 0 TDs. Man, he just lit them up. Less than 4 yards per pass attempt. That has to be a record.

Cutler's worst day is on par with Ryan's best day. And we can all agree that the Atlanta run game has been a blessing for him. Do you really think Cutler wouldn't take Turner in a heartbeat if he could?

[Los Broncos]

Cutler has a lot to learn baby.

[Foochacho]

I'll take turner in a heartbeat. What a beast.

[summerdenver]

Of course he isn't where he will be yet. Neither was Elway. But he is far better than a lot on that list.

This is fair enough and seems to be the opinion of most including MileHigh. I like others am in the same stage. I actually think he is almost there but is not able to make the leap because he is trying to do too much and need to learn to use the team around him better. It seems like most of his interceptions are not due to mis reading coverages but more due to trusting his arm and unless he changes it on his own or Coaches force him to how will it change?

On a side note what did we do to the game plan of Oak where it seemed like we were going for lot of safe passes where as now, It seems like even completions are hard throws? Are receivers not getting separation or is Cutler not going through his progressions?

[broncocalijohn]

To bad Cutler was forced to conduct that sporting news interview. But hey lets not let facts get in the way of the new posters freak out sessions.

no one forced Cutler to say what he did. It is now biting him in the A$$. Woody got it right. This team has lost focus and its killer instinct. I wont blame everything on Cutler but the timing of the article with 3 subpar performance on offense wasnt good on Cutler. It is his team and he needs to be responsible for much of the problems in the last 3 games.

[Broncoman13]

I respect your decision to disagree with me.

Would you also do me a favor and break it down for me?

Tell me why you feel that Warner and Edwards and Matt Ryan are inferior quarterbacks at this moment - as compared with Jay Cutler.

Thanks.

I'll tell you why in one easy statement. They are asked to look at half of the field and operate with only 50% of the playbook. Same with Aaron Rodgers. His reads are ONLY HALF OF THE FIELD. I can't believe you put Edwards and Ryan in their. You did well with the other guys and what do all of those guys have in common? Multiple years starting.

Edwards:
948 yards, 4 TDs, 2 INTs. Perhaps you're talking based on wins. Could it be that the Bills Defense helps in that department???

Ryan:
1160 yards, 5 TDs, 3 INTs. Also helps when you have the best running back (statistically speaking) in the NFL, that will take a lot of pressure off of a young QB. Ask Ben Worthlessburger!

Cutler:
800 yards, 4 TDs, 3 INTs. In the past three games which is probably why your biatching. Factor in his complete season which you are doing with your QBs. 1700 yards, 12 TDs, 5 INTs. Again, over a full season at that pace and you're looking at 4500 yards, 32 TDs, and 13 INTs. I doubt that puts him anywhere other than the top 5 and even if it does, even if he threw 25 TDs and 20 INTs, I'd be happy with how he is progressing.

Think about it this way, he's just now starting game 25. That is a little more than a season and a half. If you keep your expectations REASONABLE he is actually playing about as well as anybody in the history of the game.

The Jags, Bucs, and Chefs (especially at home) all have pretty good defenses. I said before the season started that I thought he'd put up similar numbers to Tony Romo last year. So far he's on pace. We'll see what the remainder of the season produces, but right now he's on the right track!

[theAPAOps5]

This is fair enough and seems to be the opinion of most including MileHigh. I like others am in the same stage. I actually think he is almost there but is not able to make the leap because he is trying to do too much and need to learn to use the team around him better. It seems like most of his interceptions are not due to mis reading coverages but more due to trusting his arm and unless he changes it on his own or Coaches force him to how will it change?

On a side note what did we do to the game plan of Oak where it seemed like we were going for lot of safe passes where as now, It seems like even completions are hard throws? Are receivers not getting separation or is Cutler not going through his progressions?


Its impossible to say since fans aren't privy to the game film. I suspect that teams are scheming the Broncos and taking away what they do well. Last week they rolled a lot of double coverage over to Marshall. But Cutler did a good job spreading the ball around. Royal was the leading receiver that game.

I think whats being ignored by all those going after Cutler today is that he had one WR he was comfortable with. I think if Stokely hadn't gotten hurt and either Scheffler or Royal were in there this game would have been a win.

Cutthemdown stated Cutler left two long throws on the field. But Nate Jackson had the ball hit him in the hands. That throw is on both players. If Cutler played this bad with all his weapons then I might buy waht MHM is saying.

[theAPAOps5]

no one forced Cutler to say what he did. It is now biting him in the A$$. Woody got it right. This team has lost focus and its killer instinct. I wont blame everything on Cutler but the timing of the article with 3 subpar performance on offense.

Fair enough but he answered the question. And like I have said in other threads, Greenberg, the reporter said it took him some serious prodding to get Cutler to finally answer that question and it was in no way full of arrogance and bravado. So I think people are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

[bronco militia]

injuries played a huge part in cutlers performance yesterday.

once again the defense had no excuses and no answers

[Natedog24]

I'll say it right now. Marshall hangs on to the football and Denver likely goes up 14-3 early in the game yesterday and we are not having this discussion right now.

[Broncoman13]

For MileHigh since I've already broke it down once...

Manning in his 2nd full year of starting:
62.1% 4,135 yards 26 TDs 15 INTs 14 sacked

Brees in his 2nd full year of starting (11 games his 2nd season):
57.6% 2,108 yards 11 TDs 15 INTs 21 sacked

Rivers in his 2nd full year of starting (4th year on the team):
60.2% 3,152 yards 21 TDs 15 INTs 22 sacked

Favre in his 2nd full year of starting (3rd year in the NFL):
60.9% 3,303 yards 19 TDs 24 INTs 30 sacked

McNabb in his 2nd full year of starting (3rd year on team):
57.8% 3,233 yards 25 TDs 12 INTs 39 sacked


Now Cutler. If you take the first 6 games and project his stats using the first 6 games he would end up something like this:
64% 4,500 yards 32 TDs 14 INTs 6 sacked

If you take his last three games (the ones everyone is complaining about!) and project only off of those numbers he would end up something like this:
61.2% 4,160 yards 21 TDs 16 INTs 5 sacked and 5 fumbles

So, even at his worst, against pretty good defenses and the Chefs at CamaroHead, he is doing pretty damn good when compared to some of the other top QBs in the NFL. Right Now Jay is probably on track for numbers that will end up like this:
62.5% 3900 yards 27 TDs 15 INTs 10 sacked

That is only 2200 yards in 10 games or 220 yards per game.
That is only 15 more TDs in 10 games or 1.5 TDs per game.
That is only 10 more INTS in 10 Games or 1 INT per game.
That is Peyton Manning type numbers in year two. If you'd like, go back and look at those guys #'s the year after! (Manning 33 TDs, 15 INTs; Favre 33 TDs, 14 INTs; Brees 27 TDs, 7 INTs in 15 games; McNabb 17 TDs and 6 INTs in 10 games; Rivers so far 14 TDs, 4 INTs, in 6 games) Jay is on track and if you don't like what you're getting right now... YOU'RE ON CRACK! Just look at the jump Rivers has had between last year and this year.

[broncocalijohn]

Fair enough but he answered the question. And like I have said in other threads, Greenberg, the reporter said it took him some serious prodding to get Cutler to finally answer that question and it was in no way full of arrogance and bravado. So I think people are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

ok, i understand but does anyone think he has a more powerful arm than Elway? I even think Elway has a few issues with his personality (he kind have hinted at that in the SN article). Cutler knew what the reaction would be so I would have blown it off or stated, "I think it is tough to be linked to Elway but I am young and working at that to pass the Legend up." You have to be humble when fans have been looking for someone to give us someone that can fill his shoes.

[JCMElway]

"I have a stronger arm than John (Elway), hands down," Cutler reportedly told Steve Greenberg. "I'll bet on it against anybody's in the league. Brett Favre's got a cannon. But on game days, there's nobody in the league who's going to throw it harder than I am at all."

Why to say these things..??

I would like to point out that he's not saying he's great, or a better QB, or going to the playoffs, or anything like that. He said he has a strong arm. Period.

And you know what? HE'S RIGHT. He does have a strong arm. I do not read cockiness or arrogance in those comments. I see an honest assessment. Now as he gets into his 4th (and maybe 5th) year, his reads will get faster and he'll stop making the handful of bad decisions he makes a game.

Did he guarantee any victories or the playoffs? No. He said "I'd be surprised if we don't get in." That's just what I want my QB to say. He's confident in his team and his abilities, and that's the way it should be.

[JCMElway]

I'll say it right now. Marshall hangs on to the football and Denver likely goes up 14-3 early in the game yesterday and we are not having this discussion right now.

QFT.

[Los Broncos]

I'll say it right now. Marshall hangs on to the football and Denver likely goes up 14-3 early in the game yesterday and we are not having this discussion right now.

Word, wrap that ball up tight.

[theAPAOps5]

Word, wrap that ball up tight.

Marshall was also saying all the right things after the game too. He said he was guilty of living in the past. Last year he was successful at legging out more yards while this year teams are going for the strip. So he will learn to take what is given and be happy.

I was pretty impressed to hear him say that.

[colonelbeef]

Sometimes I think Woody Paige uses his pulpit to try to add fuel to the fire, get the team fired up. He is a fan and knows what he types will be seen by at least a few Broncos personnel. This strikes me as an attempt to motivate Cutler and Marshall.

[Los Broncos]

Marshall was also saying all the right things after the game too. He said he was guilty of living in the past. Last year he was successful at legging out more yards while this year teams are going for the strip. So he will learn to take what is given and be happy.

I was pretty impressed to hear him say that.

I always jump on him for trying to make to much happen at times.

Am I wrong?

[Broncoman13]

Marshall was also saying all the right things after the game too. He said he was guilty of living in the past. Last year he was successful at legging out more yards while this year teams are going for the strip. So he will learn to take what is given and be happy.

I was pretty impressed to hear him say that.


Brandon has always been the opposite of guys like Chad Johnson and Terrell Owens. His attitude is generally great! Oh, and I agree. Sometimes you just have to take what is there and WRAP UP THAT FOOTBALL!

[theAPAOps5]

I always jump on him for trying to make to much happen at times.

Am I wrong?


No you aren't wrong in that. At least this year. Its one thing to have the ball stripped but he also tried to make something out of nothing on a busted play and ended up losing 10 yards yesterday. That play angered me more because that was all on him.

[cabronco]

I'll say it right now. Marshall hangs on to the football and Denver likely goes up 14-3 early in the game yesterday and we are not having this discussion right now.

I agree 100%.

Regarding this Woody Page article wrong or right. Hopefully Jay reads it and pisses him off , to a point that he does everything he can to make himself the best Qb he can be.
Just like years ago when Rod Smith came into the league. Page wrote up an article bagging on Rod Smith. Smith read it & pissed him off. He said he hated Woody Page from that day forward, but he always remembered the article and did everything he could to make himself a better player, to prove him wrong. I hope Jay does the same thing. All this negative Cutler stuff is ridiculous to me. Is he struggling, yes. Is he missing key players on offense, yes. He will learn from mistakes made and bounce back.

[rovolution]

I'll say it right now. Marshall hangs on to the football and Denver likely goes up 14-3 early in the game yesterday and we are not having this discussion right now.

Close this thread.

[Dagmar]

For MileHigh since I've already broke it down once...

Manning in his 2nd full year of starting:
62.1% 4,135 yards 26 TDs 15 INTs 14 sacked

Brees in his 2nd full year of starting (11 games his 2nd season):
57.6% 2,108 yards 11 TDs 15 INTs 21 sacked

Rivers in his 2nd full year of starting (4th year on the team):
60.2% 3,152 yards 21 TDs 15 INTs 22 sacked

Favre in his 2nd full year of starting (3rd year in the NFL):
60.9% 3,303 yards 19 TDs 24 INTs 30 sacked

McNabb in his 2nd full year of starting (3rd year on team):
57.8% 3,233 yards 25 TDs 12 INTs 39 sacked


Now Cutler. If you take the first 6 games and project his stats using the first 6 games he would end up something like this:
64% 4,500 yards 32 TDs 14 INTs 6 sacked

If you take his last three games (the ones everyone is complaining about!) and project only off of those numbers he would end up something like this:
61.2% 4,160 yards 21 TDs 16 INTs 5 sacked and 5 fumbles

So, even at his worst, against pretty good defenses and the Chefs at CamaroHead, he is doing pretty damn good when compared to some of the other top QBs in the NFL. Right Now Jay is probably on track for numbers that will end up like this:
62.5% 3900 yards 27 TDs 15 INTs 10 sacked

That is only 2200 yards in 10 games or 220 yards per game.
That is only 15 more TDs in 10 games or 1.5 TDs per game.
That is only 10 more INTS in 10 Games or 1 INT per game.
That is Peyton Manning type numbers in year two. If you'd like, go back and look at those guys #'s the year after! (Manning 33 TDs, 15 INTs; Favre 33 TDs, 14 INTs; Brees 27 TDs, 7 INTs in 15 games; McNabb 17 TDs and 6 INTs in 10 games; Rivers so far 14 TDs, 4 INTs, in 6 games) Jay is on track and if you don't like what you're getting right now... YOU'RE ON CRACK! Just look at the jump Rivers has had between last year and this year.

Can we sticky this post, and make everyone who wants to make a new thread read it?

[Spider]

Wow many people outside of Colorado I have talked with are very high on Cutler. I guess its just who you talk to.

Same here and I have been everywhere .... like yesterday when I was in Canton Ohio , I said I was bronco fan , a few said they prefer quinn over Cutler but the Majority wanted Cutler .. even a Raider fan was there , he said hell he just wants any QB that can compete ....... When I was in Mo people were saying if the Rams had Cutler ........ you get the idea ......

[elsid13]

Sometimes I think Woody Paige uses his pulpit to try to add fuel to the fire, get the team fired up. He is a fan and knows what he types will be seen by at least a few Broncos personnel. This strikes me as an attempt to motivate Cutler and Marshall.

Woody has issue with both guys, it more a criticism anything else.

[Hamrob]

who in the **** are you to come here and tell people what to do ?
where they can or cant post ? what to respond to what to ignore ?I've never said I was better than anyone, that I know more than anyone etc.

Just making a few suggestions and asking a few questions. Hardly anything to go beserk over.

I could ask you the same question. Who the **** are you? Wow that was fun!

[TDmvp]

I've never said I was better than anyone, that I know more than anyone etc.

Just making a few suggestions and asking a few questions. Hardly anything to go beserk over.

I could ask you the same question. Who the **** are you? Wow that was fun!

dumb @$$ noob ... go post on the NLF.com broncos forums ... most likely more your mental speed .



on another note , how many people can you have on ignore ? , with this influx of PoS noobs i can see i will be using the hell outa it ...

[theAPAOps5]

I've never said I was better than anyone, that I know more than anyone etc.

Just making a few suggestions and asking a few questions. Hardly anything to go beserk over.

I could ask you the same question. Who the **** are you? Wow that was fun!

Eh you did more than just ask a few questions and make a few suggestions. You were attacking just like I and MHM was. Don't play coy.

[Eldorado]

Matt Ryan Hilarious! ROFL! Hilarious! ROFL! Hilarious!

Thanks bud, I needed a good belly laugh. ^5





Welp...thats all I got outta this thread!

:wave:

[Hamrob]

I believe each of the above listed are better and more NFL prepared all around, than Jay Cutler is at this point.Wow, that's a little harsh in my opinion. I think Jay has the talent to become the best. I agree he's Not there right now, but I don't think he's that far off and I think he goes to the Pro-bowl this year. I don't see him in the top-5 today...but that's not saying he isn't very good. I just tend to agree with Jay, that it's going to take him a couple more years before he reaches his potential...which should put him up there with Brady and the Mannings. I don't think I'd rather have anyone else personally...that doesn't mean I won't complain about his screw ups though! Here's how I see the top-10 after week 6:

1. DREW BREES
2. PEYTON MANNING
3. ELI MANNING
4. BRETT FAVRE
5. DONAVAN MCNABB
6. PHILLIP RIVERS
7. JAY CUTLER
8. BEN ROETHLISBERGER
9. TONY ROMO
10. CARSON PALMER


OTHERS:

KURT WARNER
AARON RODGERS
DAVID GARRARD
TRENT EDWARDS
JAKE DELHOMME
MATT HASSLEBACK

[Spider]

I've never said I was better than anyone, that I know more than anyone etc.

Just making a few suggestions and asking a few questions. Hardly anything to go beserk over.

I could ask you the same question. Who the **** are you? Wow that was fun!

meh ....... you was doing more then that ...... everyone knows who in the **** I am ..... tell you what , pack your ass back over to broncos forum and talk there , there they have mods that will protect you , here you pretty much have to stand by your own takes .... No one will come in erase post , tell everyone not to pick on you . This is the place where the big boys play

[Hamrob]

Eh you did more than just ask a few questions and make a few suggestions. You were attacking just like I and MHM was. Don't play coy.O.K. then. My apologies...honestly.

[Hamrob]

meh ....... you was doing more then that ...... everyone knows who in the **** I am ..... tell you what , pack your ass back over to broncos forum and talk there , there they have mods that will protect you , here you pretty much have to stand by your own takes .... No one will come in erase post , tell everyone not to pick on you . This is the place where the big boys playWow, I feel like I just watched a Rocky film.

[TDmvp]

meh ....... you was doing more then that ...... everyone knows who in the **** I am ..... tell you what , pack your ass back over to broncos forum and talk there , there they have mods that will protect you , here you pretty much have to stand by your own takes .... No one will come in erase post , tell everyone not to pick on you . This is the place where the DRAMA QUEENS play

fixed :) :poke: :poke: :poke:

[Hamrob]

dumb @$$ noob ... go post on the NLF.com broncos forums ... most likely more your mental speed .



on another note , how many people can you have on ignore ? , with this influx of PoS noobs i can see i will be using the hell outa it ...Yeah, you're intelligent. Go back to bagging your groceries kid.

[TDmvp]

Yeah, you're intelligent. Go back to bagging your groceries kid.

LOL ... yea ... that is me , i bag groceries ...
I bet i give more to charity in a year then you make in 5 ...

[Hamrob]

LOL ... yea ... that is me , i bag groceries ...
I bet i give more to charity in a year then you make in 5 ...Yeah, o.k. there Mr. Buffet!

[Spider]

Wow, I feel like I just watched a Rocky film.

well thats the way it is here , you can report posts here but unless it has family smack in it , no one will come to your rescue ......Look at the Foneco thread for example ......

[Spider]

LOL ... yea ... that is me , i bag groceries ...
I bet i give more to charity in a year then you make in 5 ...

LOL I wish I bagged groceries..... probably pays more then driving these money pits ;D

[TDmvp]

Yeah, o.k. there Mr. Buffet!

no i'm not Buffet , but i have never worked a day in my life , i have a trust fund and i own a ranch that the Hole in the Wall Gang uses 3 times a year ...
So yes ... I do give more to charity a year then you most likely make in 5 years ...
no bragging , just the facts ...

[elsid13]

fixed :) :poke: :poke: :poke:

You're just mad because Spider didn't send the Christmas card pic of him dressed up as Ms. Claus

[TDmvp]

You're just mad because Spider didn't send the Christmas card pic of him dressed up as Ms. Claus

LOL he did send ... OOOOoooooo sick heheh

[Spider]

You're just mad because Spider didn't send the Christmas card pic of him dressed up as Ms. Claus

Speaking of that , I would like to thank you for not posting that one I signed and sent ot you all over the net .......... P.S. your check bounced bro

[Hamrob]

well thats the way it is here , you can report posts here but unless it has family smack in it , no one will come to your rescue ......Look at the Foneco thread for example ......I'm not sure I need to be rescued Spider...but thanks for educating me. It's appreciated...certainly.

[Spider]

LOL he did send ... OOOOoooooo sick heheh

your check bounced also

[Hamrob]

no i'm not Buffet , but i have never worked a day in my life , i have a trust fund and i own a ranch that the Hole in the Wall Gang uses 3 times a year ...
So yes ... I do give more to charity a year then you most likely make in 5 years ...
no bragging , just the facts ...O.K. good for you....or should I say your charities. :-)

[Spider]

I'm not sure I need to be rescued Spider...but thanks for educating me. It's appreciated...certainly.

well you was the one crying about people getting attacked ......... boo hoo you guys are mean .......

[elsid13]

Speaking of that , I would like to thank you for not posting that one I signed and sent ot you all over the net .......... P.S. your check bounced bro

You need to cash it your local Ron Paul Liberty Bank. ;D

[Spider]

You need to cash it your local Ron Paul Liberty Bank. ;D

Odd same thing TJ told me when I sent his picture ;D

[MplsBronco]

My problem isn't with Cutler as much as it is with Shanny. This is the same ****, different year. Odds are we go into the bye 4-3 and tied with the Chargers, when we should have a comfy cushion. This team plays with no sense of urgency, gives games away, and continually talks as if it is better than it really is. They've been doing this for years. The team takes on the personality of the coach and this team has had no personality/identity for years. No heart, no guts. How long has it been since we have seen a win be a turning point in a season and rattle of 6-7 wins in a row. It's been a while. I think Shanny is a good coach but everyone's schtick wears thin eventually. Shanny looks tired and I just don't see the fire anymore. Maybe against SD and the 2-point conversion but time and again the team checks out for large portions of games. I don't know what it is but the only common denominator is Shanny. I would love to see what Cowher could do with this team. Turn around the D and work with the studs we have on O.

[HAT]

My problem isn't with Cutler as much as it is with Shanny. This is the same ****, different year. Odds are we go into the bye 4-3 and tied with the Chargers, when we should have a comfy cushion. This team plays with no sense of urgency, gives games away, and continually talks as if it is better than it really is. They've been doing this for years. The team takes on the personality of the coach and this team has had no personality/identity for years. No heart, no guts. How long has it been since we have seen a win be a turning point in a season and rattle of 6-7 wins in a row. It's been a while. I think Shanny is a good coach but everyone's schtick wears thin eventually. Shanny looks tired and I just don't see the fire anymore. Maybe against SD and the 2-point conversion but time and again the team checks out for large portions of games. I don't know what it is but the only common denominator is Shanny. I would love to see what Cowher could do with this team. Turn around the D and work with the studs we have on O.

Finally...I knew if I waded through 5 pages of BS, I'd eventually be rewarded. Excellent post Mpls. I guess some of us 'Noobs" think alike.
^5

[ScottXray]

Thoughts on Cutler.

I went to the game yesterday, (first in years and very first to see the NEW Broncos).

I had Primo seats (50 yard line, row 1 section 105) right behind the bench, and something really disturbed me about Cutler. He sat on the bench about 20 feet away when the D was out there, and his attitude, body language and facial expressions were very poor, especially in the second half. He simply EXUDED a losing attitude. I don't mean that he didn't care, or that he didn't want to perform better, but there was absolutely NO fire , intensity or LEADERSHIP signals coming from him, and he acted more like he knew they were going to lose. Just before the O would go out he would slap a few hands etc, but it was more of a "ÓK, I have to do this to instill confidence." type thing than a measure of actually thinking they could get something going.

It was very disappointing.

This isn't meant to say that he isn't going to be very good. He will. But yesterday he did NOT act like a leader on the team, and he also played poorly. He has to ALWAYS be up, because other players SENSE that
lack of confidence.

There were games that Elway threw 3-4 picks, but he always played like there was still a chance to turn it around. Cutler needs to learn that skill if he wants to get out of this slump.

[TDmvp]

MY GOD OVER HALF HIS RECEIVERS WAS ON THE BENCH ... AND THE ONES IN THE GAME DROPPED EVERYTHING ... no wonder he was locking on B Marsh , scared the other guys would drop it ... I'd have a grumpy look on my face as well .... You people are stupid , this kid is a top 5 qb in the league and you people are to dumb to give it time ... you all deserve to be Bengals fans ...

[HAT]

ou people are stupid , this kid is a top 5 qb in the league and you people are to dumb to give it time ...

Which is it? If he IS a top 5 QB like you claim.....why would we need to give it time?

Clearly JC has the physical tools and we all hope he can get the mental part down & become a top 5'er in the next 3-5 years.

[Bronx33]

I knew this guy who posted a lot in a short time. This guy liked to stir crap up like MHM and was also banned recently.


Hummmmm the posting style and sentence structure looks familar :kiddingme

[DeusExManning]

I hate this board.

[Bronx33]

DREW BREES
KURT WARNER
TONY ROMO
DONAVAN MCNABB
PHILLIP RIVERS
AARON RODGERS
ELI MANNING
PEYTON MANNING
DAVID GARRARD
MATT RYAN
BRETT FAVRE
TRENT EDWARDS
BEN ROETHLISBERGER

I believe each of the above listed are better and more NFL prepared all around, than Jay Cutler is at this point.

I don't get it? most of these QBs are veterans how is that fair? you hold cutler up to their accomplishments and years of NFL experience, it's basically pointless why don't you just say cutler isn't as good as elway because he doesn't have 2 SB rings god do you remember how crappy elway was his first couple years. And BTW your name is absolutley perfect ( don't change a thing)

[TDmvp]

Which is it? If he IS a top 5 QB like you claim.....why would we need to give it time?

Clearly JC has the physical tools and we all hope he can get the mental part down & become a top 5'er in the next 3-5 years.

1. Drew Brees NO 1993
2. Kurt Warner ARI 1708
3. Jay Cutler DEN 1694
4. Tony Romo DAL 1689
5. Donovan McNabb PHI 1576


hence why i called him a top 5 QB cause he is one , and just because he is a top 5 don't mean he don't need time to learn patience , and how to fight through adversity which yesterday was a lack of receivers .

The Colts had a top 5 qb for all those years they couldn't get over the hump , and Manning struggled those years in big games ... he grew mentally and won a superbowl . i remember Manning throwing stupid picks and fumbling in the playoffs as the media told us he was a top 5 EVER qb ...

i live in Cincinnati ... I know bad football , adversity and young talented QB's btw ...
Broncos fans are spoiled , I'm glad to be one LOL ...

[Bronx33]

I hate this board.


You can't hate it until you have 1000 posts ( i don't make the rules, i just follow them.

[Hamrob]

1. Drew Brees NO 1993
2. Kurt Warner ARI 1708
3. Jay Cutler DEN 1694
4. Tony Romo DAL 1689
5. Donovan McNabb PHI 1576


hence why i called him a top 5 QB cause he is one , and just because he is a top 5 don't mean he don't need time to learn patience , and how to fight through adversity which yesterday was a lack of receivers .

The Colts had a top 5 qb for all those years they couldn't get over the hump , and Manning struggled those years in big games ... he grew mentally and won a superbowl . i remember Manning throwing stupid picks and fumbling in the playoffs as the media told us he was a top 5 EVER qb ...

i live in Cincinnati ... I know bad football , adversity and young talented QB's btw ...
Broncos fans are spoiled , I'm glad to be one LOL ...I don't think passing yards are the tell tale ranking for QB's. Here's the actual ratings, which show Cutler listed at #11. However, he is tied for 4th in TD's and is 3rd in yardage as you point out. I think he's close to top-5...but not quite there. Regardless, he's still a very good QB...this being only his 3rd year.

Passing Leaders
NAME COM ATT PCT YDS YPA LNG TD TD% INT INT% SK SYD RAT
1 P. Rivers QB, SDG 102 165 61.8 1489 9.02 67 14 8.5 4 2.4 8.0 50 109.4
2 Drew Brees QB, NOR 159 224 71.0 1993 8.90 84 12 5.4 6 2.7 6.0 45 105.0
3 Tony Romo QB, DAL 128 200 64.0 1689 8.45 72 14 7.0 5 2.5 7.0 45 103.5
4 B. Favre QB, NYJ 112 157 71.3 1124 7.16 56 13 8.3 6 3.8 12.0 100 103.0
5 K. Warner QB, ARI 149 213 70.0 1708 8.02 79 12 5.6 5 2.3 13.0 102 102.8
6 E. Manning QB, NYG 84 132 63.6 1032 7.82 41 6 4.5 1 .8 5.0 38 99.7
7 C. Pennington QB, MIA 94 137 68.6 1101 8.04 80 5 3.7 2 1.5 9.0 53 98.8
8 A. Rodgers QB, GNB 124 193 64.2 1482 7.68 62 11 5.7 4 2.1 13.0 79 98.0
9 J. Campbell QB, WAS 115 179 64.2 1262 7.05 67 6 3.4 0 .0 12.0 81 96.2
10 B. Roethlisberger QB, PIT 79 124 63.7 947 7.64 49 7 5.6 3 2.4 18.0 111 95.7
11 Jay Cutler QB, DEN 146 228 64.0 1694 7.43 72 12 5.3 5 2.2 2.0 18 94.8
12 T. Edwards QB, BUF 81 122 66.4 948 7.77 49 4 3.3 2 1.6 11.0 79 93.9
13 D. McNabb QB, PHI 135 211 64.0 1576 7.47 90 8 3.8 3 1.4 10.0 66 93.2
14 P. Manning QB, IND 115 182 63.2 1302 7.15 75 8 4.4 5 2.7 9.0 62 87.8
15 Kyle Orton QB, CHI 122 198 61.6 1386 7.00 52 8 4.0 4 2.0 12.0 74 87.6

[TDmvp]

I don't think passing yards are the tell tale ranking for QB's. Here's the actual ratings, which show Cutler listed at #11. However, he is tied for 4th in TD's and is 3rd in yardage as you point out. I think he's close to top-5...but not quite there. Regardless, he's still a very good QB...this being only his 3rd year.

Passing Leaders
NAME COM ATT PCT YDS YPA LNG TD TD% INT INT% SK SYD RAT
1 P. Rivers QB, SDG 102 165 61.8 1489 9.02 67 14 8.5 4 2.4 8.0 50 109.4
2 Drew Brees QB, NOR 159 224 71.0 1993 8.90 84 12 5.4 6 2.7 6.0 45 105.0
3 Tony Romo QB, DAL 128 200 64.0 1689 8.45 72 14 7.0 5 2.5 7.0 45 103.5
4 B. Favre QB, NYJ 112 157 71.3 1124 7.16 56 13 8.3 6 3.8 12.0 100 103.0
5 K. Warner QB, ARI 149 213 70.0 1708 8.02 79 12 5.6 5 2.3 13.0 102 102.8
6 E. Manning QB, NYG 84 132 63.6 1032 7.82 41 6 4.5 1 .8 5.0 38 99.7
7 C. Pennington QB, MIA 94 137 68.6 1101 8.04 80 5 3.7 2 1.5 9.0 53 98.8
8 A. Rodgers QB, GNB 124 193 64.2 1482 7.68 62 11 5.7 4 2.1 13.0 79 98.0
9 J. Campbell QB, WAS 115 179 64.2 1262 7.05 67 6 3.4 0 .0 12.0 81 96.2
10 B. Roethlisberger QB, PIT 79 124 63.7 947 7.64 49 7 5.6 3 2.4 18.0 111 95.7
11 Jay Cutler QB, DEN 146 228 64.0 1694 7.43 72 12 5.3 5 2.2 2.0 18 94.8
12 T. Edwards QB, BUF 81 122 66.4 948 7.77 49 4 3.3 2 1.6 11.0 79 93.9
13 D. McNabb QB, PHI 135 211 64.0 1576 7.47 90 8 3.8 3 1.4 10.0 66 93.2
14 P. Manning QB, IND 115 182 63.2 1302 7.15 75 8 4.4 5 2.7 9.0 62 87.8
15 Kyle Orton QB, CHI 122 198 61.6 1386 7.00 52 8 4.0 4 2.0 12.0 74 87.6

:thumbs: i can agree with that ... /truce

[Ratboy]

Did MILEHIGHMORON actually say he rather have Garrard over Cutler?

What do you like about him more than Cutler? Maybe because he has less fumbles than Jay? Wrong, Garrard has 3, 2 lost. Maybe it's because he has more Touchdowns? Oh yeah, Jay has 12, Garrard has 4. Jay has 1 more interception, however I would trade an INT for 8 more touchdowns any day.

[Ironlung]

No, however, if you are asking me what quarterback I would take to beat New England next Monday night, I would take Garrard right now without a second thought.

David Garrad is a hell of a quarterback, he doesn't come equipped with the same build-up as Cutler does, however, he is a terrific leader, has a great feel for the game, is smart, makes good decisons with the football, is cool in the pocket under pressure, and generally is ahead of Jay Cutler in virtually every intangible you may wish to argue.

Cutler may eventually be better than David Garrard is - but right now he isn't.

It sure is easy to be great at all of those things you listed that Garrard is good at when you have ALL ****ING DAY LONG TO SIT BACK AND THROW THE MOTHER****ING FOOTBALL EVERY ****ING PLAY.

[Bronx33]

It sure is easy to be great at all of those things you listed that Garrard is good at when you have ALL ****ING DAY LONG TO SIT BACK AND THROW THE MOTHER****ING FOOTBALL EVERY ****ING PLAY.


Great point! and to prove it look at all the previous QBs numbers that have played our D this year.

[theAPAOps5]

Interesting I was curious why MHM hadn't returned. Turns out he is banned. Either this was Casino Royal, Bob, or a mod took issue with something. Wonder what it was.

[TDmvp]

It sure is easy to be great at all of those things you listed that Garrard is good at when you have ALL ****ING DAY LONG TO SIT BACK AND THROW THE MOTHER****ING FOOTBALL EVERY ****ING PLAY.

10 secs a play LOL :spit:
sometimes yesterday i thought we was counting 10 Mississippi before rushing.

[Hamrob]

:thumbs: i can agree with that ... /truceAgreed/truce. I do respect your posts man.

[Ironlung]

10 secs a play LOL :spit:
sometimes yesterday i thought we was counting 10 Mississippi before rushing.

It's so disheartening. It's disgusting. I feel embarrassed as I watch it. I really do.

[Bronx33]

It's so disheartening. It's disgusting. I feel embarrassed as I watch it. I really do.


We better blitz cassel next week for the love of god we better the dude flat stinks under pressure it's the key to the game IMO.

[Ironlung]

We better blitz cassel next week for the love of god we better the dude flat stinks under pressure it's the key to the game IMO.

The way things have been going, this d will make him look like Tom Brady. Denver will make him look so good that teams will throw money at him ala Scott Mitchell. If so I hope its the Queefs.

[broncocalijohn]

LOL I wish I bagged groceries..... probably pays more then driving these money pits ;D

i could get my first union job and pay dues and everything. I think i would still make more money than what I am doing in the current real estate market. Spider, I think i would beat you out for the job because the Supermarkets dont like their bag boys telling their grumpy customers, "Take out your own f%*&ing bags or I will punch you in the throat!"

[Bronx33]

The way things have been going, this d will make him look like Tom Brady. Denver will make him look so good that teams will throw money at him ala Scott Mitchell. If so I hope its the Queefs.


I will lose all hope with slowik if hes doesn't go after him ( it's a no brainer) now the question is does slowik has any brains. :clown:

[Bronx33]

i could get my first union job and pay dues and everything. I think i would still make moree money than what I am doing in the current real estate market. Spider, I think i would beat you out for the job because the Supermarkets dont like their bag boys telling their grumby customers, "Take out your own f%*&ing bags or I will punch you in the throat!"


Hilarious!

[DAN_BRONCO_FAN]

i cant stay quiet ne longer. Elway went thru the same stuff when he was starting out. 500 td int ratio .give me a break. im shure cutler will eventually grow out of it.

[Greybeard]

To bad Cutler was forced to conduct that sporting news interview. But hey lets not let facts get in the way of the new posters freak out sessions.

Right on, if I understand you correctly.

I don't understand why people accept the words of sensationalist reporters at
face value. I read one account, ONE (1) account, that said Cutler was grinning
when he made that alleged comparison between him and Elway. In other
words, considering that and Cutler's track record in interviews, he was very
likely saying it in a joking manner.

But I know some people do not have the cognitive capabilities to understand
this. http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Smilies/coffee.gif

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[TDmvp]

i cant stay quiet ne longer. Elway went thru the same stuff when he was starting out. 500 td int ratio .give me a break. im shure cutler will eventually grow out of it.

REP.
and the only reason we shouldn't have a 100 post rule ...
it would kill the smart lurkers hehe ...

[theAPAOps5]

Right on, if I understand you correctly.

I don't understand why people accept the words of sensationalist reporters at
face value. I read one account, ONE (1) account, that said Cutler was grinning
when he made that alleged comparison between him and Elway. In other
words, considering that and Cutler's track record in interviews, he was very
likely saying it in a joking manner.

But I know some people do not have the cognitive capabilities to understand
this. http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Smilies/coffee.gif

-----

The reporer was interviewed this am on 104.3 the fan. He said Cutler had a smile but Cutler meant what he said. He also stressed that Cutler had no disrespectful tone towards Elway either.

It was a reporters question cutler answered it. If Cutler was going around volunteering this opinion I would be on the other side of the fence. But that isn't what happened.

[Bronx33]

i cant stay quiet ne longer. Elway went thru the same stuff when he was starting out. 500 td int ratio .give me a break. im shure cutler will eventually grow out of it.

I agree: but i will add half the people here were not old enough to see a young elway make huge mistakes on the road of his great career but that doesn't stop em from posting stupid crap. Forrest said it best ( momma said lifes like a box of chocolates)

[Greybeard]

The reporer was interviewed this am on 104.3 the fan. He said Cutler had a smile but Cutler meant what he said. He also stressed that Cutler had no disrespectful tone towards Elway either.

It was a reporters question cutler answered it. If Cutler was going around volunteering this opinion I would be on the other side of the fence. But that isn't what happened.

That's fine. I will accept that the reporter holds that opinion. But when I read
"hands down," as represented to come from Cutler's mouth, I immediately
inferred that Cutler had his tongue in his cheek. That kind of comment is not
consistent with Cutler's demeanor of his past three years of interviews here.

-----

[theAPAOps5]

That's fine. I will accept that the reporter holds that opinion. But when I read
"hands down," as represented to come from Cutler's mouth, I immediately
inferred that Cutler had his tongue in his cheek. That kind of comment is not
consistent with Cutler's demeanor of his past three years of interviews here.

-----

Yeah I can see what you mean. I bet you its brought up tonight on the Jay Cutler show. I will be very interested to see what he says.

[Foochacho]

MY GOD OVER HALF HIS RECEIVERS WAS ON THE BENCH ... AND THE ONES IN THE GAME DROPPED EVERYTHING ... no wonder he was locking on B Marsh , scared the other guys would drop it ... I'd have a grumpy look on my face as well .... You people are stupid , this kid is a top 5 qb in the league and you people are to dumb to give it time ... you all deserve to be Bengals fans ...

I wouldn't wish that on anyoneLOL bengals fans

[Bronx33]

Question: how many times has woody actually been right?

[Jetmeck]

I have had it with you guys who try to cast doubt on your loyalty to the team because you see a fault and point it out. That is BS and every one of you who even thinks that way is dead wrong.

Cut has not been accurate at all, locking onto receivers and fumbling the ball and throwing INTs. The receivers have been bailing him out on throws behind them or low as hell. How many overthrows have you seen lately ?

To question our loyalty when something is so obviously wrong is akin to the republicans questioning our patriotism
because you don't agree with the Iraq war. That is about as low as it gets.

Back off, we only want what's best for the team !

[2KBack]

I have had it with you guys who try to cast doubt on your loyalty to the team because you see a fault and point it out. That is BS and every one of you who even thinks that way is dead wrong.

Cut has not been accurate at all, locking onto receivers and fumbling the ball and throwing INTs. The receivers have been bailing him out on throws behind them or low as hell. How many overthrows have you seen lately ?

To question our loyalty when something is so obviously wrong is akin to the republicans questioning our patriotism
because you don't agree with the Iraq war. That is about as low as it gets.

Back off, we only want what's best for the team !

I agree. If people think that the board has a problem, then it is this right here. There are just too many people that cannot stand someone having a different opinion on a matter. Discussion here will suffer because of the army of guys that want to flame, fight, and belittle those with differing perspectives. If you disagree with someone, state your case, but also be willing listen. You don't have to agree, but you also don;t have to fight about it for days on end.

[DAN_BRONCO_FAN]

I agree: but i will add half the people here were not old enough to see a young elway make huge mistakes on the road of his great career but that doesn't stop em from posting stupid crap. Forrest said it best ( momma said lifes like a box of chocolates)

hell im freakin 41 and been a bronco fan since the superbowl against the giants .and i seen elway go thru crappy times and good times and i read stories down here in the gazette telegraph i think by one ralph routon i think on elway should be traded. or some one down here. and mike ditka ran his mouth i think one time and said elway should be traded . idiots dont get me going on idiots from yesterday and today. people might get a wee bit upset if i start speakin my mind on some of you cutler aint no good dimwits. who should go back in history and read all of elways stats! sorry about the ranting

[Bronx33]

hell im freakin 41 and been a bronco fan since the superbowl against the giants .and i seen elway go thru crappy times and good times and i read stories down here in the gazette telegraph i think by one ralph routon i think on elway should be traded. or some one down here. and mike ditka ran his mouth i think one time and said elway should be traded . idiots dont get me going on idiots from yesterday and today. people might get a wee bit upset if i start speakin my mind on some of you cutler aint no good dimwits. who should go back in history and read all of elways stats! sorry about the ranting



Heck i will give you a hand http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/

Remember folks we are not comparing just a little perspective that's all.

[DAN_BRONCO_FAN]

well it was a team suckfest yesterday. i was yelling at cutler and the whole team yesterday i cussed up a storm i face palmed but im shure cutler will only get better . the defense made a few 3 and outs but the O laid a egg. and hey we play new england next week and we always somehow beat new england and it seems jax always seems to beat denver. go figure nwo yalls stop with this nonesense about replacin jay jay is a mistake ,jays no good. he is a hell of alot better than that plummer we brung in.that plummer was good at fixing pipes and clogs, but a average passer

[Ironlung]

I just wish our defense never had to take the field.

[theAPAOps5]

hell im freakin 41 and been a bronco fan since the superbowl against the giants .and i seen elway go thru crappy times and good times and i read stories down here in the gazette telegraph i think by one ralph routon i think on elway should be traded. or some one down here. and mike ditka ran his mouth i think one time and said elway should be traded . idiots dont get me going on idiots from yesterday and today. people might get a wee bit upset if i start speakin my mind on some of you cutler aint no good dimwits. who should go back in history and read all of elways stats! sorry about the ranting

You sir need to post more.

[Eldorado]

1) I am not sure Cutler had the same tools Elway had as a rookie.


2) I know damn sure Reeves ain't no Shanahan when it comes to developing QB's and running a offense.

BIG edge Cutler.

[DAN_BRONCO_FAN]

You sir need to post more.

well when i see stupid ignorant people spouting off about how cutler is a mistake ,cutler suks, trade cutler, i wil,l and shanny a messege to you the guy has slow in his name why oh god why did you hire him for the defense, maybe this will work out maybe slowik will become the next buddy ryan (seriously doubt it ) but your becoming the al davis of defensive coaches ( granted the previous guy suked majorly) and i hope next year a certain coach will draft DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE also shanny isnt the problem stop with the fire dump get rid of the worst coach in the history of the nfl threads they only demonstrate ya lack of intelligences.
are you people shure you want me to post more?? i got alot of things to rant about from stupid chef fan who shall remain nameless to the raiders (denvers bitch ) cmon al you know you want some of this orange and blue lovin we are gonna give you when you come to mile high( i refuse to say the I word):rofl: i been lurking on the orange mane since i reg on it i got alot of stuff to say

[theAPAOps5]

I like you Dan, a little hard to read, but damnit I like you! ;D

[Eldorado]

Dont stop now baby!

[Popps]

well when i see stupid ignorant people spouting off about how cutler is a mistake ,cutler suks, trade cutler, i wil,l and shanny a messege to you the guy has slow in his name why oh god why did you hire him for the defense, maybe this will work out maybe slowik will become the next buddy ryan (seriously doubt it ) but your becoming the al davis of defensive coaches ( granted the previous guy suked majorly) and i hope next year a certain coach will draft DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE also shanny isnt the problem stop with the fire dump get rid of the worst coach in the history of the nfl threads they only demonstrate ya lack of intelligences.
are you people shure you want me to post more?? i got alot of things to rant about from stupid chef fan who shall remain nameless to the raiders (denvers b**** ) cmon al you know you want some of this orange and blue lovin we are gonna give you when you come to mile high( i refuse to say the I word):rofl: i been lurking on the orange mane since i reg on it i got alot of stuff to say

Horvil?

[broncocalijohn]

I like you Dan, a little hard to read, but damnit I like you! ;D

this will help his people skills and not to mention his grammar skills. If not, grammar police will be coming regardless of the take. I cant understand a lot of the typing but I hear ya Dan.

[Hamrob]

I like you Dan, a little hard to read, but damnit I like you! ;DHa! Say what? Oh, I like you too Dan...keep it up!

[Foochacho]

I think dan's drunk, why all the posting suddenly? And the crazy grammer.

****I in no way acknowledge that my grammer is any better but for the most I'm just a lazy typer. I am missing 3 fingers on my left hand so typing isn't the funnest thing for me to do.*****

[summerdenver]

Did MILEHIGHMORON actually say he rather have Garrard over Cutler?

What do you like about him more than Cutler? Maybe because he has less fumbles than Jay? Wrong, Garrard has 3, 2 lost. Maybe it's because he has more Touchdowns? Oh yeah, Jay has 12, Garrard has 4. Jay has 1 more interception, however I would trade an INT for 8 more touchdowns any day.

If everyone had the same opinion, the discussion would be boring. I am not trying to be a cutler hater - just want to present a diffrent point of view.

I don't think anyone (including Milehigh) is saying that Cutler will not be better QB when its all said and done. There also seems to be a consensus that Cutler has not reached his potential yet. OTOH Girard may be as good as he will ever be. In this scenario the choice is not as clearcut.

IMO, most young QBs Trent Edwards, Rogers, Matty Ice, Girard, Big Ben, Eli all have their strengths and weaknesses. They all are still work in progress and They are better than others in some areas but lag in pther areas. If I have to compare Girard vs JC, It is obvious that cutler has better physical skills and better upside. Girard is more careful with the ball but i don't think he can't generate explosive plays against a good defense like Cutler. Cutler will give me big play potential but takes risks.

If I am building a team for future and If have pick someone from the young QBs, obviously i would go for Cutler and I think most people would too. However, if i have to pick a QB to play for me tomorrow, the choice is not clear cut atleast in my mind. It would depend on the strengths of my team. If i have strong run game, decent defense, My team philosophy is to avoid mistakes and keep the game close (like Jags) I would probably take Girard - as he does not take risks and keeps the game close. OTOH, If i have a team which needs the QB to make plays, coach is a aggressive play caller like Den I would take Cutler - Girard won't make enough good plays against a good defense for my team to survive.

BTW, If my team is playing against Denver's defense circa 2008, I won't waste too much time on picking the QB as anyone will do. Someone like Damon Huard or heck Ronnie Brown will also be adequate.(I just read that QBs have completed > 70% in last 4 games against Den and they are only throwing to one side of the field.)

[David Wooderson]

1) I am not sure Cutler had the same tools Elway had as a rookie.


2) I know damn sure Reeves ain't no Shanahan when it comes to developing QB's and running a offense.

BIG edge Cutler.

I'm not sure anybody has the same tools as Elway. Cutler is a different breed mother ****er.

[DBroncos4life]

I wish Cutler would just come out and say he will make fans forget about Elway. John's been gone for 10 years now and we still compare our QB to him. Its sad really.

[DAN_BRONCO_FAN]

ill just keep it short and simple next time my typin fingers are a bit numb. i got a bad habit of goin on and on and on my bad :(

[Beantown Bronco]

........This team plays with no sense of urgency, gives games away, and continually talks as if it is better than it really is. They've been doing this for years. The team takes on the personality of the coach and this team has had no personality/identity for years. No heart, no guts.......I don't know what it is but the only common denominator is Shanny.

Not even close. You are clearly leaving out the handful of assistant coaches that have been with the team for the last 5-10 years who actually have more daily contact and impact on the players than Shanny.

[Mountain Bronco]

Cutler is far to cocky and it shows with his expressions on the field. Be a leader not a whinny little ****.

[theAPAOps5]

Cutler is far to cocky and it shows with his expressions on the field. Be a leader not a whinny little ****.

Go back and watch Elway. I have seen video of him acting the same way. Would you call Elway a whiney little b****. Some of the best leaders will ride the refs ass. Look at Tom Brady and Payton Manning. Bet you wouldn't call them whiney little b****es.

Now for the cocky part I actually agree. I think its his youth and bravado. I think it hurts him but hope he grows out of it too. But if you ask me the real whiney b****es are a majority of people posting on this forum after a loss.

[Mountain Bronco]

You are probably right about the whinning as the best QB's today do a lot of it.

His manerisms drove me nuts being at this game though.

[theAPAOps5]

You are probably right about the whinning as the best QB's today do a lot of it.

His manerisms drove me nuts being at this game though.

I can see how sometimes it would irk you. From what the guy who did the Sporting News interveiw said and what local media say he is very introverted. So that might make him act in a way that appears cocky and arrogant.

Plus he is an NFL star with damn fine ability. I would be a little cocky and ride the refs too.

[BlaK-Argentina]

Cutler is far to cocky and it shows with his expressions on the field. Be a leader not a whinny little ****.

WTF? When did he even whine? You're the one who's whining.

This thread is funny as hell. If it weren't for ten or so posters I would leave this board in a hurry. I can't believe some of the stuff people are saying. True comedy, especially the guy complaining about the look on Cutler's face when the _EFENSE is on the field. That's the same face EACH AND EVERY ONE of us, the people who want to see the Broncos win, have when the defense is playing. Cutler right now is feeling the pressure of having to make up for 11 guys that are not doing their jobs. He'll be fine and all you idiots will jump right back on his bandwagon and say you never doubted him

**** you, really. (not you Mountain Bronco)

[summerdenver]

Cutler is far to cocky and it shows with his expressions on the field. Be a leader not a whinny little ****.

Come on guys this is getting ridiculous.

I have issues with cutler's play on the field, he is not making smart decisions on the field and should be criticised for that but to say his mannerisms are causing this or that he is not figthing is silly. If anything IMO he is trying to do too much instead of using others around him.

[theAPAOps5]

Come on guys this is getting ridiculous.

I have issues with cutler's play on the field, he is not making smart decisions on the field and should be criticised for that but to say his mannerisms are causing this or that he is not figthing is silly. If anything IMO he is trying to do too much instead of using others around him.

GETTING ridiculous. Its long passed ridiculous.

I like debating with you on all things Cutler because its sane. I can see where people will think he is a dick or arrogant based on his mannerisms but I don't agree that it directly causes his issues.

The issues are that he is horrid against a zone defense like that of the Tampa 2. But I am also willing to bet teams use that Tampa 2 one too many times. Because it will kick in and he will destroy that team. Then teams will move on to another weakness.

[summerdenver]

GETTING ridiculous. Its long passed ridiculous.

I like debating with you on all things Cutler because its sane. I can see where people will think he is a dick or arrogant based on his mannerisms but I don't agree that it directly causes his issues.

The issues are that he is horrid against a zone defense like that of the Tampa 2. But I am also willing to bet teams use that Tampa 2 one too many times. Because it will kick in and he will destroy that team. Then teams will move on to another weakness.

On second thoughts I don't blame cutler if he looked depressed on the sidelines. If I were sitting on the bench watching Girard complete passes to wide open (and I mean really really wide open) receivers, I would also feel like punching myself or subject my self to some other form of masochistic act.

Actually If i had the rocket arm of cutler, I would just throw one of those fast balls at Slowik and take him out.

[Beantown Bronco]

True comedy, especially the guy complaining about the look on Cutler's face when the _EFENSE is on the field. That's the same face EACH AND EVERY ONE of us, the people who want to see the Broncos win, have when the defense is playing.

On second thoughts I don't blame cutler if he looked depressed on the sidelines. If I were sitting on the bench watching Girard complete passes to wide open (and I mean really really wide open) receivers, I would also feel like punching myself or subject my self to some other form of masochistic act.

Time to close the thread.

[alkemical]

I think MileHighMouth is Woody.

[theAPAOps5]

I think MileHighMouth is Woody.

Well I am not sure about Woody but I do know that he is banned! :thumbs:

[TomServo]

i dont think anyone has mentioned on this thread that Elway was benched. benched in favor of steve deberg. if it wasnt for elways pick six in the buffalo afccg we would have won.
i dont know if some people on this board have only been bronco or elway fans only since 1998 but the greatest qb ever also had horrendous plays and games.

[BlaK-Argentina]

i dont think anyone has mentioned on this thread that Elway was benched. benched in favor of steve deberg. if it wasnt for elways pick six in the buffalo afccg we would have won.
i dont know if some people on this board have only been bronco or elway fans only since 1998 but the greatest qb ever also had horrendous plays and games.

Best post of the thread. (after mine of course :~ohyah!: )

[theAPAOps5]

i dont think anyone has mentioned on this thread that Elway was benched. benched in favor of steve deberg. if it wasnt for elways pick six in the buffalo afccg we would have won.
i dont know if some people on this board have only been bronco or elway fans only since 1998 but the greatest qb ever also had horrendous plays and games.

Shhhhhh common sense is shunned here at the Mane.

[TomServo]

i remember a monday night game in shannys second season as HC. we were destroying the raiders, elway scrambles like 20 yards and has a clear lane to the endzone,nobody near him, and he flat drops the ball.
in that buffalo game we also missed what 3 field goals? damn, the pittsburg debacle in the 80's the jags in 90's. despite some boneheaded play at times elway could easily went to six or seven superbowls.

[Bronx33]

ill just keep it short and simple next time my typin fingers are a bit numb. i got a bad habit of goin on and on and on my bad :(



Some folks go out of their way to point out spelling errors and bad punctuation just ignore em it's not very tough to figure it out and if that's the way you type ( then so be it) you don't have to impress anyone.

[theAPAOps5]

Some folks go out of their way to point out spelling errors and bad punctuation just ignore em it's not very tough to figure it out and if that's the way you type ( then so be it) you don't have to impress anyone.

Dan I have no issue with your typing. So I hope my post didn't put me in with the spelling nazi's that Bronx is describing. I was just making a joke.

[Bronx33]

Dan I have no issue with your typing. So I hope my post didn't put me in with the spelling nazi's that Bronx is describing. I was just making a joke.


Just so ya know apa i wasn't reffering to you at all ( just the board in general) and usually when folks point out spelling errors it's because they really don't have anything else to say but can't help themselves. :P

[DeusExManning]

Hey Woody, Eli threw 3 INTs last night, it is time to panic!!!!!!!!

[DAN_BRONCO_FAN]

Hey Woody, Eli threw 3 INTs last night, it is time to panic!!!!!!!!
new rule in the nfl we shall call it the woody page rule any time a young qb has a couple of awful games that qb shall be banned from working in the nfl ever again!!!! toss the bums out some one call up gus ferotte or steve deberge or sign one of those practice squad qbs just to make woody happy:D

[DAN_BRONCO_FAN]

[QUOTE=Bronx33;2125244]Just so ya know apa i wasn't reffering to you at all ( just the board in general) and usually when folks point out spelling errors it's because they really don't have anything else to say but can't help themselves. :P[/QUOT
thanks to all the people for the support. i sorta kinda suck at punctuation im tryin to be better.:flower: :flower:

[theAPAOps5]

YEah and you suck at quoting people to......................................... :poke:

[Shaunes]

This is not meant to sound like a troll

But Jay IS overrated, but i think its because the media hyped him up SOOO much to be the next elway that no matter what he does he will be overrated. Its the same problem Reggie Bush had early in his career.

Cutler is a very talented QB who seems to be getting it, but i just kind of needs to grow up (i know i know, thats funny coming from a chargers/rivers fan). He seems to let the media get to his head and stop acting so cocky and just take charge of the team

[BlaK-Argentina]

This is not meant to sound like a troll

But Jay IS overrated, but i think its because the media hyped him up SOOO much to be the next elway that no matter what he does he will be overrated. Its the same problem Reggie Bush had early in his career.

Cutler is a very talented QB who seems to be getting it, but i just kind of needs to grow up (i know i know, thats funny coming from a chargers/rivers fan). He seems to let the media get to his head and stop acting so cocky and just take charge of the team

I haven't read any of your other posts but this is solid. I agree. He has taken charge of the team though, and like I said, he's feeling the pressure of having to perform and looks to Marshall too much to try and make things happen. I'm sure he will understand soon that sometimes you just have to let the other guys make a play too.

[AZBroncomaniac]

This is not meant to sound like a troll

But Jay IS overrated, but i think its because the media hyped him up SOOO much to be the next elway that no matter what he does he will be overrated. Its the same problem Reggie Bush had early in his career.

Cutler is a very talented QB who seems to be getting it, but i just kind of needs to grow up (i know i know, thats funny coming from a chargers/rivers fan). He seems to let the media get to his head and stop acting so cocky and just take charge of the team

Overrated by the media, maybe. You say they're trying to make him out to be the next Elway. How would you expect the media to portray a 3rd year player putting up the kind of numbers that Cutler is, while following in the path of our past HOF QB?

Overrated by statistical performance? I'm not buying. Take a look at OSKIE's breakdown on performance numbers for many of the top QB's first years in the league as compared with Cutler's. EXCELLENT information provided, THANKS OSKIE.

Grow up?? How old is he, 23 or 24?? Be real, how many kids these days at that age are all grown up, ready to take on the world? (See Vince Young) It's his 3rd year, with a whole bunch of pressure on him to perform, and to perform quickly. I for one believe he's doing an outstanding job, considering the amount of pressure he has to deal with day in and day out, and considering his age.

Dude's got a lot to learn. But really, who doesn't?

[Circle Orange]

No, however, if you are asking me what quarterback I would take to beat New England next Monday night, I would take Garrard right now without a second thought.

David Garrad is a hell of a quarterback, he doesn't come equipped with the same build-up as Cutler does, however, he is a terrific leader, has a great feel for the game, is smart, makes good decisons with the football, is cool in the pocket under pressure, and generally is ahead of Jay Cutler in virtually every intangible you may wish to argue.

Cutler may eventually be better than David Garrard is - but right now he isn't.

My issue with Gerrard is that he always seems to be in second gear. just kind of...a certain pace...never picks it up...always plays to these three and two point wins and losses...two minute drill becomes six minute drill...

it's what annoys me about jacksonville in general. And they tease their fans year in and year out.

BTW, isn't Woody wearing a lot of makeup these days? Oh, the fright...

[Circle Orange]

who in the **** are you to come here and tell people what to do ?
where they can or cant post ? what to respond to what to ignore ?

heh, power trip. ;D

can you imagine how many threads we'd have if people not only posted for discussion and opinions, but also to lecture and tell everyone what to do? Talk about chaos...I think we'd hit a million thread mark! I've seen boards like that. A handful of posters take over, have personal arguments and derail threads.

mayhap a big stick may need to be swung...:wiggle:

[DAN_BRONCO_FAN]

YEah and you suck at quoting people to......................................... :poke:


LOL cut me some slack lol i just started Hilarious!
may you wake up and be a raider fan and have to give AL Davis sponge baths ROFL!

[Eldorado]

Ouch.