Kenny Peterson and Marcus Thomas.

[24champ]

Have to say watching the game in person, Peterson and Thomas were causing havoc in the trenches They looked good too chasing Gerrard around and applying some pressure. I know the defense gave up 24 points, but the offense didn't help matters by giving the ball away multiple times.

Peterson I am most surprised about, he already has 3 sacks on the season. Slowly but surely, the middle of the DL is looking pretty good.

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[Rock Chalk]

Peterson and Robertson (when healthy) botha re good but Marcus Thomas has REALLY improved this year. He was our best pick in last year's draft and they werent lying. We got 1st round talent in the 4th round with that guy.

[kappys]

Peterson and Robertson (when healthy) botha re good but Marcus Thomas has REALLY improved this year. He was our best pick in last year's draft and they werent lying. We got 1st round talent in the 4th round with that guy.

Yeah Marcus was just wreacking havoc out there today. I am thrilled with his performance. Its a shame Moss and Crowder can't learn something from watching him.

[Br0nc0Buster]

Yeah our tackles did well today, I really like Peterson.

We need some ends in the worst way though, Moss is just pathetic, and I dont know if Crowder played or not.

We need EE to stay healthy for us

[azbroncfan]

Peterson and Robertson (when healthy) botha re good but Marcus Thomas has REALLY improved this year. He was our best pick in last year's draft and they werent lying. We got 1st round talent in the 4th round with that guy.

Yep and we drafted 4th round production in the first round with Moss.

[Rock Chalk]

I thought Moss played better today. Showed some flashes. Im not giving up on the guy just year like many already have though, I do not blame them for wanting to. I just dont think he is a waste and think he can be a good pass rusher.

[Br0nc0Buster]

I thought Moss played better today. Showed some flashes. Im not giving up on the guy just year like many already have though, I do not blame them for wanting to. I just dont think he is a waste and think he can be a good pass rusher.

I missed most of the first half, so he may have shown flashes I did not catch.

I do think Moss is no worse than Engleberger, he has the worst pass rush I have ever seen.
A little more EE and Moss, and a little less Engleberger would be nice.

[Florida_Bronco]

I thought Moss played better today. Showed some flashes. Im not giving up on the guy just year like many already have though, I do not blame them for wanting to. I just dont think he is a waste and think he can be a good pass rusher.

He's out there giving effort, and did show a few moves today and got pressure a couple times. They still have him down in that 4 point stance though.

[SoCalBronco]

Yep and we drafted 4th round production in the first round with Moss.

More like UDFA production in the first round. :)

[eddie mac]

I dont think the DE situation is anywhere near as bad as S. Our CB's are having to account for the piss poor pass D from those 2 clowns. At least Dumervil, Moss and Crowder are young and can still develop. If Manuel and McCree cant get the job done now, they never will.

[SoCalBronco]

I dont think the DE situation is anywhere near as bad as S. Our CB's are having to account for the piss poor pass D from those 2 clowns. At least Dumervil, Moss and Crowder are young and can still develop. If Manuel and McCree cant get the job done now, they never will.

I think the DE situation is at least as bad as S. They're both an embarassment. Teams are doubling Doom, chipping Doom, holding Doom. All they have to account for is one guy in the entire DE rotation. Nobody on the strongside, whether it be Engelberger or Crowder, is putting any kind of pressure on the QB or holding up against the run and Doom still gets raped against the run. Raped. It all flows from there. McCree is below average and Manuel is a borderline NFL player, much less a starting safety, but right now the problems largely stem from DE. We have to go eight in the box because the DE's are getting thrown back into the LB's laps and we either have to rush 3 and drop back 8 or blitz because the DE's cant get pressure. The DTs have at least gotten some pressure. Thomas has done some good things and Peterson was one of the few guys on the defense that did well today.

Look at it this way. If we had an upgrade at S and stayed the same at DE, we wouldnt be much different than we are now. Even solid safeties can't hold up for 5 seconds. They just can't. But if we had an upgrade at DE, it would mask the S's fraudulence better.

[azbroncfan]

More like UDFA production in the first round. :)

Your right but I'm just trying to be nice. :approve:

[DB-Freak]

so...

I wonder when we'll actually get great DE's and DE rotation?

[lex]

I think the DE situation is at least as bad as S. They're both an embarassment. Teams are doubling Doom, chipping Doom, holding Doom. All they have to account for is one guy in the entire DE rotation. Nobody on the strongside, whether it be Engelberger or Crowder, is putting any kind of pressure on the QB or holding up against the run and Doom still gets raped against the run. Raped. It all flows from there. McCree is below average and Manuel is a borderline NFL player, much less a starting safety, but right now the problems largely stem from DE. We have to go eight in the box because the DE's are getting thrown back into the LB's laps and we either have to rush 3 and drop back 8 or blitz because the DE's cant get pressure. The DTs have at least gotten some pressure. Thomas has done some good things and Peterson was one of the few guys on the defense that did well today.

Look at it this way. If we had an upgrade at S and stayed the same at DE, we wouldnt be much different than we are now. Even solid safeties can't hold up for 5 seconds. They just can't. But if we had an upgrade at DE, it would mask the S's fraudulence better.


I think its hard to know these things with Slowik as our DC. Our scheming sucks. If we had a more competent DC, it would be easier to tell what is bad and how bad. Its not like we have top 5 talent on defense but its also not like we are bottom 5 either.

[azbroncfan]

I think the DE situation is at least as bad as S. They're both an embarassment. Teams are doubling Doom, chipping Doom, holding Doom. All they have to account for is one guy in the entire DE rotation. Nobody on the strongside, whether it be Engelberger or Crowder, is putting any kind of pressure on the QB or holding up against the run and Doom still gets raped against the run. Raped. It all flows from there. McCree is below average and Manuel is a borderline NFL player, much less a starting safety, but right now the problems largely stem from DE. We have to go eight in the box because the DE's are getting thrown back into the LB's laps and we either have to rush 3 and drop back 8 or blitz because the DE's cant get pressure. The DTs have at least gotten some pressure. Thomas has done some good things and Peterson was one of the few guys on the defense that did well today.

Look at it this way. If we had an upgrade at S and stayed the same at DE, we wouldnt be much different than we are now. Even solid safeties can't hold up for 5 seconds. They just can't. But if we had an upgrade at DE, it would mask the S's fraudulence better.

Yep we all knew that the 8 in the box to try and prevent teams from running on Denver like the year before meant the DB's were going to get raped in the pass coverage. We saw it in preseason and knew it was coming. The D needs 5 new players next year to be even an average D. DE, SX 2, MLB, NCB in my opinion.

[azbroncfan]

I think its hard to know these things with Slowik as our DC. Our scheming sucks. If we had a more competent DC, it would be easier to tell what is bad and how bad. Its not like we have top 5 talent on defense but its also not like we are bottom 5 either.


I would say we are there. Both S's, Engleberger and possibly Webster wouldn't start on 31 of the 32 teams and I don't know what team is the one they would start on.

[DB-Freak]

Aren't we like bottom 5 statistically?

[lex]

I would say we are there. Both S's, Engleberger and possibly Webster wouldn't start on 31 of the 32 teams and I don't know what team is the one they would start on.

Bleh. I doubt McCree looked this bad with SD last year. Also, a lot of teams would like to have our CBs but we turn them into furniture with ineffective scheming which involves on this insistence that they consistently give up 8 yard cushions.

[24champ]

I think the DE situation is at least as bad as S. They're both an embarassment. Teams are doubling Doom, chipping Doom, holding Doom. All they have to account for is one guy in the entire DE rotation. Nobody on the strongside, whether it be Engelberger or Crowder, is putting any kind of pressure on the QB or holding up against the run and Doom still gets raped against the run. Raped. It all flows from there. McCree is below average and Manuel is a borderline NFL player, much less a starting safety, but right now the problems largely stem from DE.

Well that's why you are seeing Champ Bailey even coming in on some blitzes. Denver did it again today with Champ coming in from the corner on a blitz at least twice that I saw. Our safties just plain suck, I can''t remember the last time we had such crappy safties. I have to agree with Eddie Mac on this one, the Safety position is just as bad as the DE position.

[lex]

Aren't we like bottom 5 statistically?

Im sure we are but Im saying that theres enough talent on the team that Denver could be more middle of the pack with a better DC.

[Popps]

Thomas and Peterson both looked good at time. I'm just trying to figure out how teams tend to gash us right up the middle for a few huge runs every game.

[Atwater His Ass]

We get zero pass rush with our front 4. Zero. Thomas and Peterson weren't getting much pressure unless we were blitzing. In the one case where Peterson caused the fumble because no one blocked him.

Thomas showed some hustle tracking down ball carriers and assisting in tackles, but I wouldn't say he was really causing any havoc. We made Gerrad look like Manning out there today.

[SoCalBronco]

All I know is that we better ****ing beat NE next week. We better win that game. I really don't want to go two weeks without a game and us standing at 4-3, going from 3-0 to almost .500. They better ****ing not lose it, or else NO ONE gets a break for the bye. No one goes home. No one goes on vacation. No one gets a ****ing rest. Everyone is going to run up and down the stadium steps holding cinderblocks in the freezing rain unti they throw up or collapse or both. They better ****ing beat NE or else the bye should be hellish.

[azbroncfan]

Im sure we are but Im saying that theres enough talent on the team that Denver could be more middle of the pack with a better DC.

Now way with the S's and the DE's on this roster.

[lex]

Now way with the S's and the DE's on this roster.

We have Dumervil. More competent DCs can scheme pressure.

[kappys]

We need our linemen to a get a little better at getting their hands up to try and bat down passes. If yoiu can't get pressure at least you can try and make a play this way

[azbroncfan]

We have Dumervil. More competent DCs can scheme pressure.

That's one guy who can be run over in the run game and double teamed since no one else on the DL can beat a man one on one. Not to mention you can pass block Engleberger with a RB.

[DB-Freak]

We have Dumervil. More competent DCs can scheme pressure.

Some of the DC's we had real impressive credentials...

Then they came to Denver....

You know the rest.

[kappys]

Our safeties are so bad I would be in favor of almost any scheme to get someone else in there.

Hell go with 3 CB's and 5 LB's. Put JMFW in the middle as a deep free safety on every play - he's a reasonable tackler - probably better than Manuel. Put in Woodyard or someone else as a 4th LB and do a lot of deep drops between him and Boss.

Well that crazy scheme means I'm cranky and its time for bed.

[DB-Freak]

on that 3rd and 17....

Garrad had all day. OUr DL got stonewalled too many times in key plays.

[lex]

Some of the DC's we had real impressive credentials...

Then they came to Denver....

You know the rest.



OK, but we also probably have better CBs and a better DE in Dumervil than what we had then. I guess Pryce was good when he felt like playing.

[Popps]

Our safeties are so bad I would be in favor of almost any scheme to get someone else in there.

Ya gotta love it. They're like ****ing Laurell and Hardy. One gets beat like a rented mule on a post pattern, and the other comes up... whiffs on the tackle and takes his own guy out.

[LongDongJohnson]

i think thomas is improving but that last drive where the jaguars ended the game.
they really pounded the middle of our line and just ran it up the gut with success.

[kappys]

Ya gotta love it. They're like ****ing Laurell and Hardy. One gets beat like a rented mule on a post pattern, and the other comes up... whiffs on the tackle and takes his own guy out.

:super:

[BroncoMan4ever]

Peterson has been looking really good for us. He has experience as a DE. He has shown burst at the line, and the ability to get to the QB. Robertson and Thomas have looked great in the middle, Clemons is actually looking ok in the rotation and Shaw before the injury to his leg look decent also.

With our lack of pressure off the ends, would it be a crazy thought to move Peterson into Engleberger's position opposite of Doom and have a starting defensive line of Doom, Thomas, Robertson and Peterson?

[BroncoMan4ever]

i think thomas is improving but that last drive where the jaguars ended the game.
they really pounded the middle of our line and just ran it up the gut with success.

they were tired. the Jags did to us today what we used to do when we had a good running game. They ran on us over and over again and then threw the ball. and by the 4th quarter the defense had nothing left.

[Popps]

With our lack of pressure off the ends, would it be a crazy thought to move Peterson into Engleberger's position opposite of Doom and have a starting defensive line of Doom, Thomas, Robertson and Peterson?

Of course not. It wouldn't be crazy to move Matt Prater into Engleberger's position.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Of course not. It wouldn't be crazy to move Matt Prater into Engleberger's position.

i'm sensing sarcasm. although Prater for Engleberger at this point in the season probably would be a lateral move.

but i think as a rotational guy in a way like we use Ekuban, Peterson would be a good move. he has experience as an end and is doing well on the interior. it would get one of our better players on the field more often

[cutthemdown]

Peterson and Thomas both seem like role player talent to me. The search continues next yr for real dlineman that can play the run and the pass.

[azbroncfan]

Of course not. It wouldn't be crazy to move Matt Prater into Engleberger's position.

But the guy works hard and hustles around more than anyone on the team. The only thing JE is missing from being a perrenial probowler is explosiveness and athletic talent.

[TheReverend]

Anyone else die a little on the inside everytime you watch a Baltimore game and still see Pryce playing at a high level?

[HILife]

All I know is that we better ****ing beat NE next week. We better win that game. I really don't want to go two weeks without a game and us standing at 4-3, going from 3-0 to almost .500. They better ****ing not lose it, or else NO ONE gets a break for the bye. No one goes home. No one goes on vacation. No one gets a ****ing rest. Everyone is going to run up and down the stadium steps holding cinderblocks in the freezing rain unti they throw up or collapse or both. They better ****ing beat NE or else the bye should be hellish.

Tell me how you really feel.

[Eldorado]

Anyone else die a little on the inside everytime you watch a Baltimore game and still see Pryce playing at a high level?

Nah. That dude ****ing hated Denver and would disappear for entire series. The **** he said on the way out the door was some of the most disrespectful tripe I've heard out of a player that at one point was made the highest paid defensive lineman in the history of the game.

[TheReverend]

Nah. That dude ****ing hated Denver and would disappear for entire series. The **** he said on the way out the door was some of the most disrespectful tripe I've heard out of a player that at one point was made the highest paid defensive lineman in the history of the game.

You'd get over it for his sack production and pressure in a hot minute.

[Eldorado]

Yeah. I wish I knew the back story on that one. He was a ghost those last 18 games he was here.

[TheReverend]

Yeah. I wish I knew the back story on that one. He was a ghost those last 18 games he was here.

I wouldn't say that. He had multiple games that he played to his talent level, most notably the Kansas City home game in 2005.

Also, his well documented frustration was with read fronts and being dropped back into coverage instead of attacking the QB on passing downs.

[BroncoInferno]

I think its hard to know these things with Slowik as our DC. Our scheming sucks. If we had a more competent DC, it would be easier to tell what is bad and how bad. Its not like we have top 5 talent on defense but its also not like we are bottom 5 either.

I think this sort of thinking is why we are in this continued pattern of bad defenses. We need to stick with a DC and draft players to fit in with that scheme. When you change schemes every couple of years as we have been, there is no chance for continuity. When you look at successful defenses in the league, they have a system and they draft players who fit that system, often finding contributing players in late rounds. Think of it like our OL. We always seem to find quality players in the late rounds. But that's because we have a system that is in place and we identify players who fit that system and plug them in. Indy and Tampa both do that defensively. In other words, we don't need to fire another coach and start the process all over again. Slowik is fine. He can't create a pass rush out of thin air. The talent simply isn't there. He tries to mix in blitzes, but blitzing is a hit and miss venture. When you miss, you miss badly.

[kappys]

We get zero pass rush with our front 4. Zero. Thomas and Peterson weren't getting much pressure unless we were blitzing. In the one case where Peterson caused the fumble because no one blocked him.

Thomas showed some hustle tracking down ball carriers and assisting in tackles, but I wouldn't say he was really causing any havoc. We made Gerrad look like Manning out there today.

Thomas is our best player on the line - but we need to stop dropping him back into coverage.

Now I'm not claiming the guy is like Albert haynesworth out there and he certainly makes his mistakes - but he has excellent lateral movement and also got some decent push. Gerrard is a mobile QB and when he gets to take 5 and 7 step drops because there is no pressure from the outside then its crazy to think your DT is going to collapse that pocket.

DT's that get good pressure have DE's that get good pressure - forcing the opposing teams into quick drops which allow for them to get at the QB.

[chanesaw]

Considering Jax's interior OL is all backups, they should have looked good.

[lex]

I think this sort of thinking is why we are in this continued pattern of bad defenses. We need to stick with a DC and draft players to fit in with that scheme. When you change schemes every couple of years as we have been, there is no chance for continuity. When you look at successful defenses in the league, they have a system and they draft players who fit that system, often finding contributing players in late rounds. Think of it like our OL. We always seem to find quality players in the late rounds. But that's because we have a system that is in place and we identify players who fit that system and plug them in. Indy and Tampa both do that defensively. In other words, we don't need to fire another coach and start the process all over again. Slowik is fine. He can't create a pass rush out of thin air. The talent simply isn't there. He tries to mix in blitzes, but blitzing is a hit and miss venture. When you miss, you miss badly.

No Slowik is not fine. Look at his handiwork. If we were going with the "stick with someone" approach, we would have been better off sticking with Bates and giving him time. He has demonstrated more acumen than Slowik. We shouldnt stick with some guy just for the sake of sticking with them. If they arent any good, then we need to move on.

[BroncoInferno]

No Slowik is not fine. Look at his handiwork. If we were going with the "stick with someone" approach, we would have been better off sticking with Bates and giving him time. He has demonstrated more acumen than Slowik. We shouldnt stick with some guy just for the sake of sticking with them. If they arent any good, then we need to move on.

We can't rush the passer with the front four. There isn't much Slowik can do about that except mix in blitzes, which lead to big plays when they are picked up. The scheming hasn't been the problem. The execution has been. We could have a prime Buddy Ryan calling the D and it wouldn't make a lick of difference with this collection of players.

[lex]

We can't rush the passer with the front four. There isn't much Slowik can do about that except mix in blitzes, which lead to big plays when they are picked up. The scheming hasn't been the problem. The execution has been. We could have a prime Buddy Ryan calling the D and it wouldn't make a lick of difference with this collection of players.

A lot of teams rely on blitzing to generate pressure. And, truly, we shouldnt be as worried about giving up the big play as long as we are also getting turnovers and pressure to go with it. I dont think Slowik really has a grasp for what makes effective blitzing. Our blitzes have been easily detected and worked around. Plus I dont think the coverages really suit the blitzes. I mean, when you blitz and its predictable and you have guys playing defense in such a way that gives a lot of space and a lot of cushion, you kind of undermine the blitz since allowing so much space allows the QB to make decisions easier. The whole idea is to force the QB to make bad decisions but the scheming is not doing that.

[Beantown Bronco]

i think thomas is improving but that last drive where the jaguars ended the game.
they really pounded the middle of our line and just ran it up the gut with success.

I'm still trying to figure that one out. You as a coach know with 100% certainty that they are going to run the ball, most likely right up the middle. Yet for whatever reason, the safeties are still 10+ yards off the line and you refuse to stack the box. Why? There was absolutely no way they should've been able to run for over 5 yards a carry that last drive, yet they did it with ease. That was embarrassing.

[Rock Chalk]

Thomas and Peterson both looked good at time. I'm just trying to figure out how teams tend to gash us right up the middle for a few huge runs every game.

Linebackers fault.

The front four on run plays have been holding their gap responsibility but MJD found his creases and the LBs had epic failure at tackling yesterday.

DJ is our best linebacker and even he had issues with tackling yesterday. MJD has one helluva big heart man. I don't understand how that guy being as small as he is can just run so hard.

[oubronco]

on espn they showed the LB's overrunning the plays and hitting the same gap therefore Drew hit the other gap and was gone

[Eldorado]

Yup. If the LBs can read correctly and react a bit faster we have a chance of being decent on D.

Thats about the ceiling though.

[Br0nc0Buster]

I don't understand how that guy being as small as he is can just run so hard.

His thighs are the size of tree trunks.

[BroncoBuff]

Yup. If the LBs can read correctly and react a bit faster we have a chance of being decent on D.

Thats about the ceiling though.
Funny ... I think our LBs have been the strength of the D so far. The safeties have been so god-awful though, that the LBs have been highly visible chasing down guys that the safeties should've been responsible for.

I hope everybody remembers pre-season '07 when I said we should keep Peterson and that he could develop into a starter. He has excellent range and quickness for his size, always has.... kinda resembles a smaller Strahan imo.

[TheReverend]

Funny ... I think our LBs have been the strength of the D so far. The safeties have been so god-awful though, that the LBs have been highly visible chasing down guys that the safeties should've been responsible for.

I hope everybody remembers pre-season '07 when I said we should keep Peterson and that he could develop into a starter. He has excellent range and quickness for his size, always has.... kinda resembles a smaller Strahan.

...and by smaller you mean bigger, right?

[Eldorado]

Funny ... I think our LBs have been the strength of the D so far. The safeties have been so god-awful though, that the LBs have been highly visible chasing down guys that the safeties should've been responsible for.

I hope everybody remembers pre-season '07 when I said we should keep Peterson and that he could develop into a starter. He has excellent range and quickness for his size, always has.... kinda resembles a smaller Strahan imo.

And by strength you mean a half a step slow and in the wrong gap?

[Rock Chalk]

Bwahaha.

DJ is the only linebacker that has played mostly well. He has had the fewest mistakes but the Jax game he couldnt tackle to save his life.

How does our puny little CB Champ blow up TWO blockers and tackle MJD 8 yards in the backfield and our LBs cant tackle the prick in the game with 3 of them on him?

I mean Champ is so much greater at football than anyone else on defense and dare I say it, the TEAM that its pathetic.

[Eldorado]

Champ is that good. Pretty cool, really. A couple of decent safeties and Champ would be having a **** ton of fun out there.

[ANIMAL24]

we need to sign kenoy and s. brandon

[Eldorado]

s. brandon pre- knee injury.

[broncocalijohn]

I dont think the DE situation is anywhere near as bad as S. Our CB's are having to account for the piss poor pass D from those 2 clowns. At least Dumervil, Moss and Crowder are young and can still develop. If Manuel and McCree cant get the job done now, they never will.

the slow reaction of the safeties are killing us. How can Lynch be less than what we have out there now?

[kappys]

There are only 5 players on this defense that I am happy with as starters.

Champ, Dre, DJ, Dwayne, and Marcus. The rest of them are either role players/rotational guys at best or completely worthless. There are a lot of spots to start working on an upgrade.

[BroncoBuff]

...and by smaller you mean bigger, right?
Wider. Wider now at least. He was playing more DE in preseason '07, but now he's DT only, and he has put on more girth. By 'smaller' I meant not the height or arm length ... but similar range-iness. I know it sounds like an odd comparison, but it occurred to me more than once last year. He uses his arms like Strahan did, I think that's his best attribute.

[TheReverend]

Wider. Wider now at least. He was playing more DE in preseason '07, but now he's DT only, and he has put on more girth. By 'smaller' I meant not the height or arm length ... but similar range-iness. I know it sounds like an odd comparison, but it occurred to me more than once last year. He uses his arms like Strahan did, I think that's his best attribute.

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around how someone 50 lbs bigger is a smaller version of someone.

[BroncoBuff]

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around how someone 50 lbs bigger is a smaller version of someone.
Keep trying.

And you prolly should've read my post before commenting.

[TheReverend]

Keep trying.

And you prolly should've read my post before commenting.

Quick question: Who's bigger, Jarvis Moss or Warren Sapp?

[Eldorado]

Jarvis is bigger. If by 'bigger' you mean 'taller'. And Warren is faster, if by 'faster' you mean mumbles quickly and hates Al Davis.

[BroncoMan4ever]

I think its hard to know these things with Slowik as our DC. Our scheming sucks. If we had a more competent DC, it would be easier to tell what is bad and how bad. Its not like we have top 5 talent on defense but its also not like we are bottom 5 either.

i agree with that. our corners play man coverage best and for some reason are lined up 10 yards off the receiver every play. our front 4 is getting steam rolled. if we are going to get anything done we are going to need to blitz our LB's more. eliminate one Safety from the field and bring in another LB to take his place and to help rush the QB.
also right now i am convinced we should take our safeties off the field and put our Corners at all secondary positions. It gives us speed and our corners can tackle better than our current safeties.

[BroncoBuff]

Quick question: Who's bigger, Jarvis Moss or Warren Sapp?
Very funny ... but I was referring to last year, when he was narrower and weighed less because he was playing mostly DE. I was mostly comparing the way they used their arms in pass-rushing moves. Very lateral and rangy movement and motion.

Peterson is a talented pass rusher. And I KNEW IT ALL ALONG! Knowitall

[Foochacho]

F^ck it put spencer larsen at DE he will take off either the rb or qbs head in the game that should help right.







Disclaimer:The above post is not serious I am fully aware that larsen is a little on the light side to play DE.

Have to throw in a disclaimer for all the people that take every post serioulsy. Larsen can shed a blocker though give that man some Weight Gain 4000......BEEEEFCAAAKE

[Ironlung]

The only logical explanation for this gawd AWFUL defense is.........a curse. Either that or we made a deal with the devil, 2 Super Bowls in exchange for having a pitiful defense for all eternity.

[David Wooderson]

Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength, while loving someone deeply gives you courage

[lex]

i agree with that. our corners play man coverage best and for some reason are lined up 10 yards off the receiver every play. our front 4 is getting steam rolled. if we are going to get anything done we are going to need to blitz our LB's more. eliminate one Safety from the field and bring in another LB to take his place and to help rush the QB.
also right now i am convinced we should take our safeties off the field and put our Corners at all secondary positions. It gives us speed and our corners can tackle better than our current safeties.


Bleh. Whats kind of frustrating is that there have been times where the DE seemed to be getting good penetration but have been undermined by these cushions. With all that room, its easy for the opposing QBs to do 3 step drops and just dump it off. Its a combination of ineffective blitz schemes and coverages that undermine the pass rush.

And regaring your idea, if the safetie's shortcomings are why we are playing so soft, then its worth a try. This scheming as it has been though has sucked. Im not really a big fan of Dre Bly but its because I think he is an over aggressive glory hound that likes to take stupid chances. I actually kind of miss that now. Slowik has him playing so soft.

[DBroncos4life]

Whatever D we ran when Bailey had the 10 picks is the D we should switch back too. Hell I almost want to bring GR back to get turnovers again.

[lex]

Whatever D we ran when Bailey had the 10 picks is the D we should switch back too. Hell I almost want to bring GR back to get turnovers again.

GR> BS

[kappys]

Whatever D we ran when Bailey had the 10 picks is the D we should switch back too. Hell I almost want to bring GR back to get turnovers again.

This defense doesn't have anywhere near the talent level that defense did.

[BroncoBen]

Thomas and Peterson both looked good at time. I'm just trying to figure out how teams tend to gash us right up the middle for a few huge runs every game.

What I see is the DT being pushing one way or the other, then the linebacker that is suppose to be plugging the hole is out of position. This is Nate Webster... so when the Broncos talk about being 'disciplined' on defense, this is who they are talking about.

[Broncosmang]

We have Dumervil. More competent DCs can scheme pressure.


is it Slow or Johnson's fault? Im not a slowik fan, but I don't think Johnson's done a lot of good since being here.

[Mountain Bronco]

I am not going to waste my time and read all of the drivel in this thread. I was at the game and Garrard had time to tie his shoe, make a sandwich and then get a pass off. The Broncos front line is disturbingly bad. I went to get a beer and came back and Garrard was still standing with the ball on the same play. Maybe not, but the lack of a pass rush was weak. Fluff away though.

[Atlas]

so...

I wonder when we'll actually get great DE's and DE rotation?

They need to get Crowder some playing time.

[lex]

I am not going to waste my time and read all of the drivel in this thread. I was at the game and Garrard had time to tie his shoe, make a sandwich and then get a pass off. The Broncos front line is disturbingly bad. I went to get a beer and came back and Garrard was still standing with the ball on the same play. Maybe not, but the lack of a pass rush was weak. Fluff away though.

Thomas-- 1st round talent, selected in the 4th

Robertson-- top 15 draft pick

Dumervil-- 1st round production...averaged 10.5 sacks in his 1st two seasons.

Thats 3/4 who have talent. Its not like Slowik has nothing to work with. At every level there are some nice pieces.

[PRBronco]

What I see is the DT being pushing one way or the other, then the linebacker that is suppose to be plugging the hole is out of position. This is Nate Webster... so when the Broncos talk about being 'disciplined' on defense, this is who they are talking about.

Niko would get that done. Just sayin...

Has anyone noticed any point this year where they said "wow what sweet coverage, I'm glad we didn't have Niko playing there"?

[Mountain Bronco]

Thomas-- 1st round talent, selected in the 4th

Robertson-- top 15 draft pick

Dumervil-- 1st round production...averaged 10.5 sacks in his 1st two seasons.

Thats 3/4 who have talent. Its not like Slowik has nothing to work with. At every level there are some nice pieces.

Don't give me draft positions and say it is tallent. Gerrard Warren first round pick, Courtney Brown, first pick = show me something.

They have shown me nothing.

[TheReverend]

Don't give me draft positions and say it is tallent. Gerrard Warren first round pick, Courtney Brown, first pick = show me something.

They have shown me nothing.

Congratulations. Ignorant statement of the year. :thumbsup:

[lex]

Don't give me draft positions and say it is tallent. Gerrard Warren first round pick, Courtney Brown, first pick = show me something.

They have shown me nothing.

I dont think the DTs are that bad. And Doom has averaged 10.5 sacks in his first two seasons. He has one so far this year.

[Mountain Bronco]

You sure about that.

He was drafted by the Cleveland Browns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Browns) first overall in the 2000 NFL Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_NFL_Draft).

Foot, meet mouth.

[oubronco]

This defense doesn't have anywhere near the talent level that defense did.

then why in the hell did they boot them out the door

[TheReverend]

You sure about that.

He was drafted by the Cleveland Browns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Browns) first overall in the 2000 NFL Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_NFL_Draft).

Foot, meet mouth.

You're an idiot.

I was talking about the blatantly ignorant part of your statement where you refered to him as talentless and having shown you nothing.

[bowtown]

You sure about that.

He was drafted by the Cleveland Browns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Browns) first overall in the 2000 NFL Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_NFL_Draft).

Foot, meet mouth.

He wasn't disputing the 1st round selection, he was simply makjing the point that, when healthy, if Courtney Brown didn't show you anything, then you are an idiot.

[TheReverend]

He wasn't disputing the 1st round selection, he was simply makjing the point that, when healthy, if Courtney Brown didn't show you anything, then you are an idiot.

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