Is our offense overrated?

[Br0nc0Buster]

We had more turnovers than touchdowns.....again

19,16, and 17 is how many points our supposed high powered offense has mustered the past 3 weeks.

Are we unlucky, or overrated?

[theAPAOps5]

Hmmmm how many starters were injured on Offense? Counting who went out during the game. Yeah this thread is pretty useless. Especially against 2 really good Defenses.

[Br0nc0Buster]

Hmmmm how many starters were injured on Offense? Counting who went out during the game. Yeah this thread is pretty useless. Especially against 2 really good Defenses.

Pittsburgh lit Jacksonville up last week.
Jacksonville's defense is solid, but not great.

[Schism]

They're still very young and still coming together as a unit.

The quality is there, but there'll be off days no doubt. Today was one, and their will be more as the year goes on I'm afraid.

The positive is that they'll be together for a lot of years to come and should become more consistent as time goes by.

As far as talent goes they're not overrated, but the execution isn't quite there all the time yet.

[barryr]

Injuries don't help matters. But the pressure is on the offense to score a lot since the defense just can't stop people.

[Bronx33]

We had more turnovers than touchdowns.....again

19,16, and 17 is how many points our supposed high powered offense has mustered the past 3 weeks.

Are we unlucky, or overrated?


No ( it's inconsistant ) it has potential the probelm is you don't have patience.

[Popps]

We're a young team in many regards, still figuring things out.

But, I've said it since the off-season... we need to get BETTER as the year goes on. That's the biggest goal of this team, imo. Playoffs or not, we need to be a BETTER team at the end of the season than the beginning. The last couple of seasons, that hasn't been the case.

We have to keep improving. Believe it or not, I think the defense showed a little more the past couple of weeks. The offense seems to be in reverse. Injuries or not, we've got to play better and smarter than we did.

Today was just a big fat growing pain, imo. Hopefully we learn from it and move forward.

[theAPAOps5]

Eh its week 6 and teams scheme to take away your strengths. Denver needs to adjust and will be fine. They are far from overrated.

[barryr]

I have much more confidence the offense as it is will be good for many years with the young talent than I do this defense that's for sure.

[jutang]

I'd say it's overrated when it was getting comparisons to last yrs Patriots. It is a strong offense that shoots itself in the foot from time to time and is currently banged up.

[broncofan7]

Its obvious that we are potent on offense, but we are YOUNG as well...and being YOUNG comes growing pains--such as turnovers and lack of execution. Injuries have factored into our lack of performance the past three weeks as well. I am not worrried--if we were stagnant on offense I would be ,but we have been able to move the ball fairly effectively all season...hopefully we will clean our act up a bit and be back to scoring 30+ a game.

[LonghornBronco]

I think defences are slowing J-cut down by forcing him to check down. B-Marsh is getting alot of attention....

[Don Flamenco]

Too many turnovers, guys. It happened against the Chiefs, and now against the Jags.

[enjolras]

Yep, turnovers.. simple as that.

[lander]

I thought your offense did well in light of the injuries. I don't think it's overrated. Jacksonville is a good team.

[Don Flamenco]

And when you can't get defenses off the field on 3rd down, you aren't gonna get many chances. Turning the ball over today both times with the field position that we had absolutely killed us.

[Bronx33]

Ya know at this point in cutler career we should be begging for shanahan to open up the play book for cutler, the problem is ( he already did) and maybe it's hurting cutler just look how his game changed from being poised and in control to throwing into coverage every down and making poor decisions. Is jay feeling the pressure to produce?

[The MVPlaya]

Chances are we would have scored a touchdown if Marshall had not fumbled the ball, and anything could have happened if Jay Cutler didn't fumble.

Overrated? No.

I'm still loving our oline as they got a handful today and performed great.

[HEAV]

I said in teh other thread. It's about putting Jay in good spots. Having a balance attack and beating into his head that he has other targets out their besides #15.

He's got heart and talent, he just needs to learn that this isn't the SEC and you have to take what a defense gives you. Stop force'n the issue and relay on you team-mates not named Marshall.

Also Shanny need to get the running game back into order. You have to run in this league. Have too!

[Bronx33]

I said in teh other thread. It's about putting Jay in good spots. Having a balance attack and beating into his head that he has other targets out their besides #15.

He's got heart and talent, he just needs to learn that this isn't the SEC and you have to take what a defense gives you. Stop force'n the issue and relay on you team-mates not named Marshall.

Also Shanny need to get the running game back into order. You have to run in this league. Have too!


You mean better play calling right?

[broncolife]

Turnovers is the reason we lost. With our D we cant afford any. I mean we are like 2nd in the league for fumbling and dropped passes.

[broncolife]

Also Shanny need to get the running game back into order. You have to run in this league. Have too!

I thought Pittman did great for us today

[peacepipe]

I said in teh other thread. It's about putting Jay in good spots. Having a balance attack and beating into his head that he has other targets out their besides #15.

He's got heart and talent, he just needs to learn that this isn't the SEC and you have to take what a defense gives you. Stop force'n the issue and relay on you team-mates not named Marshall.

Also Shanny need to get the running game back into order. You have to run in this league. Have too!I don't see the running game getting any better until we get a franchise RB,our system can only do so much.

[Bronx33]

I thought Pittman did great for us today


Heav is saying shanahan didn't use the run enough.

[ozomulsion]

I thought Pittman did great for us today

You damn strait! Good to see ya around bro!

[Cito Pelon]

Denver was outscored in the 2nd half again. The O is not putting enough points on the board in the 2nd half. In the six games this year, Denver has scored more than 10 pts in the second half only one time, game one at OAK. After that the 2nd half scoring has been 8, 10, 9, 10, 10.

[summerdenver]

This offense basically goes as cutler goes. He is too inconsistent at this point IMO and hence offense is inconsistent.

When there is fumble or a interaception or the opposition scores a TD, you need a calm cool QB to make some completions and drive your team down the field (Brady comes to mind). In those situations cutler just tries to do too much. For e.g. Den has 3rd and 1 and 30 yard line at the end of first quarter. If it was Brady, he would dumped for a 1st down when long ball is not available, instead of trying to force it Marshall. He would taken the points at the end of the quarter and lived to fight another day. Culter is just too impatient and he has learn to be cool. Till then i think we continue to see inconsistent offense.

[Drek]

The offense is young and as a result makes big mistakes.

The defense simply lacks talent in the front seven, with DJ being the only standout player of the bunch. As a result we can't stop teams very well, especially on 3rd and 5 or less.

We're at 4-2 right now, and both of our losses we should have won if we didn't spot the opposition with double digits resulting from turnovers. Are we a title contender? Not unless the offense matures very quickly and another standout emerges in the front seven. But we're young and making the playoffs would be valuable experience for this team.

We're also a hell of a lot of fun to watch. For all the problems our defense has when it comes to actually stopping people they sure have shown a lot of enthusiasm when hitting people, and our offense has big play potential in any situation. Cutler, Marshall, etc. just need more experience to avoid the equally as likely big mistake.

[rmsanger]

Overrated... Scheff and Royal stubbed their vaginas and left us with 3 miserable options for WRs.

[Bronx33]

Overrated... Scheff and Royal stubbed their vaginas and left us with 3 miserable options for WRs.


And cutler throws to one of those options all day.

[theAPAOps5]

Overrated... Scheff and Royal stubbed their vaginas and left us with 3 miserable options for WRs.

Bawhaaahaaaaaaa


Overreact much?

[LonghornBronco]

You damn strait! Good to see ya around bro!

Dude!, I hope you are about 12 or your avetar is disturbing!

:pity:

[bloodsunday]

Hmmmm how many starters were injured on Offense? Counting who went out during the game. Yeah this thread is pretty useless. Especially against 2 really good Defenses.

I don't buy this argument because a) everyone else has thrown with ease on Jacksonville and b) Jacksonville was missing at least 3 starters of their own on defense.

They haven't scored more than 19 points 3 weeks, that's a trend. I don't know if it makes them overrated, but its clear they are struggling.

[broncofan2438]

You think Cutler should have more shows were he says he is so confident? Should he say his arm is better than others? Should he have a big head?

[HEAV]

Heav is saying shanahan didn't use the run enough.

Yes!


He also seems to avoid running on third and short and tries to be cute with the pass!



I know people love the passing game and love the spread offense.

But this franchise won by running the ball! Not just here and there, but running the ball down peoples throats and forcing teams to stop the run.

Then useing the playaction and quick slants to kill teams.

It's what shanny used to be about. Run sets up the pass plays down field.

Elway slang the rock all over the field for years. Until we learned how to run the ball and dominate TOS... well lets just say without the run Elway and Denver would still be consider another Jim Kelly/Buffalo and Marino/Miami.

Sorry if it offends people. But a good running game will do wonders for a growing big arm passer. Not to mention a defense that has issues...

Haven't had an Elite back since Portis and that's hurt this team. Sure we got by with Droughns, Sgt. Mike and Bells. But now Selvin is a disappointment and injured, Hall is... well... a spellback good for a carry here/there but not a everydown back and Pittman isn't 20 something... he's 30 something.

I like Pittman, but I just can't seem him being counted on every week to take a pounding!

As for everyones great hope...AKA Ryan Torain... He's an unknown product that hasn't had one NFL carry and hasn't seen any real football action since last year at ASU.

Not sure if a trade or street freeagent can help right now...but the running game needs something.

[HEAV]

And cutler throws to one of those options all day.

While he ignores wide open tight-end running down the field. I can understand Jay has a comfort level with B-Marsh... but it's sickening how many targets he B-Marsh gets since he has returned.

Spread the ball around Jay.

[theAPAOps5]

While he ignores wide open tight-end running down the field. I can understand Jay has a comfort level with B-Marsh... but it's sickening how many targets he B-Marsh gets since he has returned.

Spread the ball around Jay.

Its excruciating how bad he locks on to Marshall. Funny thing is the first 3 games of the season he didn't.

[HEAV]

Its excruciating how bad he locks on to Marshall. Funny thing is the first 3 games of the season he didn't.

The first game he didn't have B-Marsh. But he did target Royal most of that game. Then when Bradon returned...20 balls went to Brandon!

I understand Royal and Sheff were out and then Stoke got dinged. But Jay has to throw to Glenn, Graham, Nate Jackson and D-Jax. Even if they drop a pass (like D-Jax). He has to stop living and die'n on Marshall.

At one point he threw the ball in three man coverage. It wasn't until late that he started looking off and hitting DG and Glenn.

Not to mention Jay has been off on more than a few throws lately.

[Atwater His Ass]

Our offense right now is exteremly overrated. We haven't scored many points for weeks now and we don't make big plays. Marshall will put 8-10 catches, but they're all for less than 10 yards, although he may run it after the catch for 20 or so.

Cutler is to impatient during the game. He has a hard time taking what the defense gives him and is always looking to force the ball to Marshall for the big play. Right now I'd say the book on beating Cutler is to take away his deep throws because he'll grow frustrated dink and dunking and make mistakes and roll coverage to his lock on target Marshall.

We were banged up at WR with Royal out and Stokely gone for much of the game. However, it hasn't mattered in previous weeks, what I said above has still played out.

[cutthemdown]

Yes the offense is over rated.

[DB-Freak]

His lockdown on Marshall is worrisome.

But those two fumbles are just so sloppy.

It wasn't really due to the offense sucking.

Brandon just lost his handles on the ball(maybe forearm nerves acting up? idk)

and Jay got alittle sloppy in the scramble and got it knock down from his hand. He wasnt gonna get sacked.

[theAPAOps5]

The first game he didn't have B-Marsh. But he did target Royal most of that game. Then when Bradon returned...20 balls went to Brandon!

I understand Royal and Sheff were out and then Stoke got dinged. But Jay has to throw to Glenn, Graham, Nate Jackson and D-Jax. Even if they drop a pass (like D-Jax). He has to stop living and die'n on Marshall.

At one point he threw the ball in three man coverage. It wasn't until late that he started looking off and hitting DG and Glenn.

Not to mention Jay has been off on more than a few throws lately.

I should have put in my post he didn't play in the first game.

But even in those other games he tended to check down more. I mean twice now he has locked on to Marshall only to ignore a wide open TE for a possible TD.

Today he completely disregarded the RB out on the flats and force the ball.

[Atwater His Ass]

I should have put in my post he didn't play in the first game.

But even in those other games he tended to check down more. I mean twice now he has locked on to Marshall only to ignore a wide open TE for a possible TD.

Today he completely disregarded the RB out on the flats and force the ball.

He didn't on the first drive of the game and looked how that turned out.

Cutler just gets to impatient and wants to make the big throws for the big plays. He'll mature out of this stage eventually.

For example, on almost every bootleg we've run this season, he's had the intermediate guy open, wether it's Graham/Scheffler/Jackson, and he almost always tries to make the deep throw, even if he's coming clear across the field to do so.

[extralife]

e don't make big plays.

This is a key, I think. You can't show me an elite offense that doesn't consistently get the ball down the field. It is too hard to score consistently with long drives. You're going to mess them up at some point. Once those passes aren't connective on first or second down we start to falter pretty quickly because we aren't getting the ball downfield. Right now, Jay isn't looking that great on throws over twenty yards, and he we don't have a true deep threat on the team either. That might be something to address.

[azbroncfan]

Yes it is overrated but the last three teams Denver played were cover 2 based. Cutler struggles the most with zone coverage and especially the cover 2 scheme. The offense goes how he goes and that is why they have struggled recently in my opinion.

[CBF1]

Depending on how you look at it.... If you read the press clippings and listen to the talking heads, YES we are way over rated. Now if you have been watching this offense outside of the faider game, we are pretty much just above average. Our running game is nothing special.... Do not give me the 5 yards per carry crap, its when we are NOT getting the yards that worries me. Our WR's drop way too many damn balls and Cutler has gotten worse in each of the last 4 games. This offense will not be able to cover up for the _efense any longer... Teams have been able to figure us out.

[footstepsfrom#27]

The basic building blocks are there for a championship offense, with the lone exception of a francise runner who scares defenses and takes the focus off just the passing game for them. If we can find that piece and notch one more year for Cutler to improve, we're going to be a top 3 offense for a decade.