Defense back to stink job

[barryr]

Can't stop the run or pass. Pathetic! Turnovers certainly don't help, but let's face it, the Broncos defense stinks to no end. No rush, no coverage, no tackling, zip! Not helping is incompetent coaching they keep getting as well. Would be nice to find a qualified DC with some idea of defense, but apparently that guy would need to be buddy of Shanahan's to have a shot at the job. But I know, it's too early to judge the defense. Any day now, they will become the Orange Crush revisited. Whatever.

[Popps]

-Engleberger
-McCree
-Manuel

[Schism]

Yeah, they pretty much suck.

Was hoping we'd turned the corner against Tampa, but doesn't seem so. I don't expect our D to be elite, the talent isn't there. But it'd be nice if they could at least make it difficult for our opponents.

Pretty sure I could move the ball well against our D. And I've never played a game of football in my life. I'm good at throwing a ball around though, and that should be enough.

[barryr]

Heck, I'd say draft for defense, but when has this team drafted and more importantly, developed DL and safeties they have drafted? It's been awhile.

[extralife]

It would be nice if we had competent coaching at all. We play a style of coverage that flat out DOES NOT WORK if you don't get pressure. We try to "confuse" the QB and swap around zones all day. Move linebackers around at the line. Problem is it flat DOESN'T MATTER if the QB has ten seconds to throw every play. It's pathetic. Play some man coverage--that's supposed to be the one thing we can do, right?

[ColoradoDarin]

I think I've heard "wiiiiiiide open Jacksonville receiver" about a dozen times today.

[Boogerboots]

I could never understand why our corners are 5 yards back from LOS and Gerrard can pot it for 5-7 yard gains on virtually every play. I am sick and tired of this BOHICA defence. Man up and rush the QB.

And Boss goes down for his traditional 3rd quarter walk off the field with the trainer. And Bly is not getting the job done. The guy cashes his check and thats about it. Pisses me off.

[razorwire77]

Yeah, Damn defense costing us this game.::)
TD
INT
Fumble
Downs
Punt
FG
Punt

[ColoradoDarin]

Yeah, Damn defense costing us this game.::)
TD
INT
Fumble
Downs
Punt
FG
Punt

missed a fumble in there too... (and now a TD, yay!)

[barryr]

Whoa, call the presses, the Bronco defense has actually made two stops in a row!

[Popps]

Yea, the offense is every bit as culpable for this loss, if not more so.... and you will rarely hear me say that.

[kappys]

OUr defense played good enough for us to win today. This is an offensive team and when they don't come out and score we are done.

But I think the firing order needs to go:
- Moss
- Mcree
- Manuel
- Crowder

[barryr]

The offense made too many mistakes, but 400+ yards given up by the defense isn't going to win many games.

[razorwire77]

Yea, the offense is every bit as culpable for this loss, if not more so.... and you will rarely hear me say that.

Thank you! For many on the Mane, Cutler and B.M. s**t cupcakes and can do no wrong. B.M. doesn't alligator arm a catch on 2nd and 6 and the drive continues. By no means is our defense Orange Crush, but they did enough to allow the offense to win. Bottom line, we score 17, we don't win.

[Popps]

We got the ball back for the offense twice... and the offense just folded.

Oh well. This team has talent, but games like this make you realize we've got a way to go.

[BlaK-Argentina]

The whole team played like crap. This loss stings... **** **** **** **** ****.

How hard is it to hold on to a ****ing ball?

[peacepipe]

The offense made too many mistakes, but 400+ yards given up by the defense isn't going to win many games.
We won't win any games giving up 400+ yds.

[Inkana7]

I think this game shows how important Stokley really is to the offense. After he came out, the Offense didn't do ****.

[Inkana7]

We won't win any games giving up 400+ yds.

We already have.

[barryr]

I think also shows how important Scheffler is as well. They needed Graham to be a bigger part of the game and he just wasn't.

[nickademus]

Wow we suck. I cant even begin to describe how bad that was. I saw a stat that showed we drop the second most passes in the league and we turn the ball over more than any other team and when your D sucks that bad you cant be droping balls and handing the other guy the ball 3-4 times per game.

[Paladin]

Hold on. Two plays: WR runs into Bly and Bly is called for illegal contact. Sh*tty call, leads to TD. Second, McCree called for interference but he did not touch the WR before the ball had pass him. Lead to points. Sh^tty call.

Now, I am aware that ref's calls are just a part of the game, but those were absol;utely sh*tty calls.

Having saoid that, the D looks like crap. Whay in the holy h2ll the Broncos can't find an average Dline and a fellow who can call at least an average D game? I will likely stioll pulll for those losers, but it will be damm hard.

I mean that sends a chill through my body, I tell you....

[razorwire77]

Yeah, with a young team we gotta expect these up and downs and the injury bug is starting to strike again too. Still, this is a fun team to watch. They could blow anyone out, or lose to anyone. I'm still thinking 10-6 or 11-5, but the AFC is wide open, so who knows?

[SoCalBronco]

We got the ball back for the offense twice... and the offense just folded.

Oh well. This team has talent, but games like this make you realize we've got a way to go.

Indeed.

Hopefully, we'll get Scheff and Royal back for NE. This is a young team and not surprisingly therefore, a frustrating team at times. I am quite concerned at the dropoff in offense the last few weeks.

41-39-34-19-16-10.

That's not a good trendline. Alot of it is just stupidity by fumbles and such, but we gotta get consistent. We've got to avoid these quarter and a half lulls where we dont do anything AT ALL.

We're 4-2 and I'll take that even though I'm very disgusted right now. Sometimes growth is painful.

[theAPAOps5]

10-6 is still very attainable. Remember Jacksonville always owns Denver. Its like Denver vs. New England.

Hopefully Scheffler will be back with Royal next week.

That said Jay needs to step up. These last 2 weeks he has gone through periods where he has regressed a little.

[telluride]

These are the very sort of games that a defense is supposed to win for you. The offense is without its #1 rb, #2 and #3 wr, #1 TE, and playing in crappy conditions with a QB who is having an off day. And yet they still put up 17 points.

A defense that is fully healthy, playing against a team that is playing 3rd stringers on its o-line, still could not get pressure, or stops, or off the field. They gave up 400+ yards of offense to a crippled team heretofore struggling.

I've said it before, but it bears repeating. We are a bottom five defense. That fact alone will cost us 6-8 games this season. It's already cost us two.

[The MVPlaya]

Hold on. Two plays: WR runs into Bly and Bly is called for illegal contact. Sh*tty call, leads to TD. Second, McCree called for interference but he did not touch the WR before the ball had pass him. Lead to points.

Leads to end of the game.

[barryr]

Hold on. Two plays: WR runs into Bly and Bly is called for illegal contact. Sh*tty call, leads to TD. Second, McCree called for interference but he did not touch the WR before the ball had pass him. Lead to points. Sh^tty call.

Now, I am aware that ref's calls are just a part of the game, but those were absol;utely sh*tty calls.

Having saoid that, the D looks like crap. Whay in the holy h2ll the Broncos can't find an average Dline and a fellow who can call at least an average D game? I will likely stioll pulll for those losers, but it will be damm hard.

I mean that sends a chill through my body, I tell you....

Agreed, the calls stunk, but I have no confidence in Slowik or this defense to make the big stops they need in close games and I doubt that'll change this season. No push from the DL, receivers open all over the place, and aren't stopping the run consistently to say the least either. I just don't see much, if any, improvement from last year with this defense. I just don't see a plan with this defense other than hoping the other team shoots itself in the foot.

[barryr]

These are the very sort of games that a defense is supposed to win for you. The offense is without its #1 rb, #2 and #3 wr, #1 TE, and playing in crappy conditions with a QB who is having an off day. And yet they still put up 17 points.

A defense that is fully healthy, playing against a team that is playing 3rd stringers on its o-line, still could not get pressure, or stops, or off the field. They gave up 400+ yards of offense to a crippled team heretofore struggling.

I've said it before, but it bears repeating. We are a bottom five defense. That fact alone will cost us 6-8 games this season. It's already cost us two.


Yep, no question. Stats showed this defense was horrible before this game and this perfomance will only make them worse. As you stated, the offense had guys missing, but what excuse does this defense have? Not having Ekuban? Please.

[uplink]

Nothing has really changed.

The defense has really only stopped J. Russel (his 1st start?) and B. Griese (back-up with limited skills). Every other QB has looked liked a candidate for the probowl against the denver defense.

Also, Garcia was moving the ball last week when he came in.

[Popps]

Every other QB has looked liked a candidate for the probowl against the denver defense. n.

That's the thing. Deirdorf was pointing out how strange it was that they would line up and throw on 3 straight downs against us late in a game with a big lead.

Didn't seem strange to me at all.

[joe9999]

These are the very sort of games that a defense is supposed to win for you. The offense is without its #1 rb, #2 and #3 wr, #1 TE, and playing in crappy conditions with a QB who is having an off day. And yet they still put up 17 points.

A defense that is fully healthy, playing against a team that is playing 3rd stringers on its o-line, still could not get pressure, or stops, or off the field. They gave up 400+ yards of offense to a crippled team heretofore struggling.

I've said it before, but it bears repeating. We are a bottom five defense. That fact alone will cost us 6-8 games this season. It's already cost us two.

I completly agree with this.

There just isn`t enough talent on defense.

[Bronx33]

That's the thing. Deirdorf was pointing out how strange it was that they would line up and throw on 3 straight downs against us late in a game with a big lead.

Didn't seem strange to me at all.


Remember who you are talking about. ( dan the dumb deirdorf)

[NASurfer]

I think I've heard "wiiiiiiide open Jacksonville receiver" about a dozen times today.

Including this game opposing QBs have completed almost 73% of their passes on this defense... despite our high priced CBs. :spit:

[Inkana7]

Including this game opposing QBs have completed almost 73% of their passes on this defense... despite our high priced CBs. :spit:

If you watched, it wasn't the CBs they were getting completions against.

[NASurfer]

If you watched, it wasn't the CBs they were getting completions against.
I realized that. It was more of a slam on the scheme (and coordinator) in general. Shanahan's spending a lot of money on that side of the ball... the returns are horrible.

[bronco610]

Where was our hybrid 3 - 4?

[montrose]

Where was our hybrid 3 - 4?

We used a little bit but Jones-Drew gashed it over and over so we back to the 4-3. On an unrelated note, god do our safeties suck.

[broncofan2438]

Yup. more crap. Thanks for bringing Bly aboard, he sucks my balls!

[NFLBRONCO]

Can we play man coverage or not? I do not see how any team can pull off wins with guys so wide open all day. I know pass rush would help but, it not like opponent wr's are really doing anything amazing to get open by 10 or 20 yards.

[jutang]

I thought the D played alright today. The Jags played a good game today, didn't make the mistakes our offense did, and kept banging away with Jones. The Broncos could of kept it up with Pittman but went away from it and abandoned it after the Jags got a 14pt lead. Both the Jags and the Broncos played relatively well, and the TOs decided this game.

[Spider]

well I had a feeling that 3-4 4-3 hybrid **** wouldnt work against the Jags , their offense sees it all the time in practice .........

[DB-Freak]

These are the very sort of games that a defense is supposed to win for you. The offense is without its #1 rb, #2 and #3 wr, #1 TE, and playing in crappy conditions with a QB who is having an off day. And yet they still put up 17 points.

A defense that is fully healthy, playing against a team that is playing 3rd stringers on its o-line, still could not get pressure, or stops, or off the field. They gave up 400+ yards of offense to a crippled team heretofore struggling.

I've said it before, but it bears repeating. We are a bottom five defense. That fact alone will cost us 6-8 games this season. It's already cost us two.

actually a pretty good post from you.

[azbroncfan]

-Engleberger
-McCree
-Manuel

Why would you want to replace the hardest working, hustling player on the team?

[azbroncfan]

Nothing has really changed.

The defense has really only stopped J. Russel (his 1st start?) and B. Griese (back-up with limited skills). Every other QB has looked liked a candidate for the probowl against the denver defense.

Also, Garcia was moving the ball last week when he came in.

Exactly, the crap defense didn't come back it was always there.

[extralife]

Probably because he sucks