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chadta
11-09-2006, 01:52 PM
Until the team turns it around we need a place to call home so here it is, they did make a blockbuster trade today with tampa bay.

The Tampa Bay Lightning announced that the team has acquired centre Daniel Corso from the Philadelphia Flyers in exchange for right wing Darren Reid.

Im sure everything will be ok now, we will go on to win the next 65 games to end the season first overall, and then proceed to go on and win the cup.


:P

chadta
11-09-2006, 07:48 PM
Well another one bites the dust, atleast tonight mike richards went out and picked a fight in an effort to get some life back into the team, it didnt work but hey at least he tried.

Clockwork Orange
11-09-2006, 08:35 PM
The Tampa Bay Lightning announced that the team has acquired centre Daniel Corso from the Philadelphia Flyers in exchange for right wing Darren Reid.

You gotta give me a minute to soak up the magnitude of this blockbuster. ;D

Mtbrncofn
11-09-2006, 10:34 PM
I'm sorry to rain on your parade with that blockbuster, chad, but we had a much bigger one last year that most of the league is still pondering. We picked up the MIGHTY Jim Dowd. :D Still can't believe we let him go.

I can't bash Dowd too much, he did well enough. :)

chadta
11-10-2006, 03:29 PM
wow, that was a blockbuster, ive actually heard of jim dowd, maybe i heard of him in that trade, i dunno.

Anyhow the team is preping for saturdays game against buffalo, i can hardly wait, i only hope im home at 7 when it starts cuz by 7:05 it will be over. I for one am getting totally sick of the crappy starts followed by the team totally giving up. Even my wife comes by 2 seconds after the game starts and asks me how much im losing by.

chadta
11-10-2006, 08:57 PM
well good news, the flyers didnt lose tonight, they dont play till tommorrow but hey.

Pretty sad, i used to hate off nights, now i look forward to them cuz im pretty sure we have no way to lose a game we dont play.

phillybroncosnut
11-11-2006, 01:52 AM
No real big surprise Chad. It was only a matter of time till this team crumbled. You have to expect a nose dive after a team drafts specific type players (huge, power forwards and defensmen) for the last 15 years and then the NHL wakes up one day and says, "I know, let's change all the rules to make the toughness disappear in the NHL and give the game to the speed skaters".

Now, imagine if the NFL just decided in the off season to outlaw the "handoff". How would our Broncos fair?

Anyway, this team needs to be gutted, and I mean from top to bottom. Trade Gagne, Forsberg, Richards, Nitty, Esche, Pitkanan, Kapanen, etc. Anyone who has any sort of value. Trade them all for draft picks. The blueprint is set. Suck for 5 years and aquire the #1 or #2 pick every year and draft skilled speed skaters. Pittsburgh and Washington layed the ground work. Let's follow suit. Our reign in the East is over.

SoCalBronco
11-11-2006, 02:26 AM
No real big surprise Chad. It was only a matter of time till this team crumbled. You have to expect a nose dive after a team drafts specific type players (huge, power forwards and defensmen) for the last 15 years and then the NHL wakes up one day and says, "I know, let's change all the rules to make the toughness disappear in the NHL and give the game to the speed skaters".

Now, imagine if the NFL just decided in the off season to outlaw the "handoff". How would our Broncos fair?

Anyway, this team needs to be gutted, and I mean from top to bottom. Trade Gagne, Forsberg, Richards, Nitty, Esche, Pitkanan, Kapanen, etc. Anyone who has any sort of value. Trade them all for draft picks. The blueprint is set. Suck for 5 years and aquire the #1 or #2 pick every year and draft skilled speed skaters. Pittsburgh and Washington layed the ground work. Let's follow suit. Our reign in the East is over.

I think Pitkanen will be a very good player...Richards too, you should keep them. Get rid of the rest though, I agree.

Mtbrncofn
11-11-2006, 03:45 PM
You guys would give up on Gagne too? I know he's having a rough go this year but he was so great last year. And isn't he relatively young?

Hogan11
11-12-2006, 10:09 AM
You guys would give up on Gagne too? I know he's having a rough go this year but he was so great last year. And isn't he relatively young?

I believe his name has been mentioned in trade rumors....can't confirm it though.

I really haven't settled in on the NHL season yet (I usually don't till the Broncos are officially done) but this is looking like a very lean year indeed. Watched the game against Buffalo last night.....another loss, it was hard to watch. I think I can take the disaster better than most afterall, I am a Pirates fan.......I kinda sensed danger when Eric and Keith pulled the plug and now it's coming to pass. What happened to all the Phantom talent the team had poised to enter the NHL?

Where's the advil?

phillybroncosnut
11-12-2006, 02:06 PM
Gagne is the most valuable trading chip we have. Yes, I'd trade him in a heartbeat for the right deal. By time this team turns this thing around, he will be Lanny McDonald old. Same goes for Pikky and Richards. Sell sell sell!

Bronx33
11-13-2006, 01:26 AM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=183853&hubname=nhl


"Paul has been working very hard and I felt that it was important at this time to provide him with some stability in his position which will help him with the tasks at hand," said Snider.

Holmgren was named interim general manager on October 22, 2006, replacing Bob Clarke who resigned. Prior to his promotion, Holmgren had served the last seven seasons as the team's assistant general manager. He was named to this position on June 14, 1999, after serving as Flyers' director of player personnel from August 6, 1997. He served over parts of two seasons as director of pro scouting after replacing Bill Barber as the Flyers' director of pro scouting when Barber was named head coach of the Hershey Bears on December 30, 1995. Holmgren rejoined the Flyers organization as a scout after being replaced as the Hartford Whalers' head coach on November 6, 1995.

Over parts of four seasons (1992-93 to 1995-96), Holmgren compiled a 59-93-14 record as head coach of the Whalers. He was re-appointed as head coach of the Whalers by team President and General Manager Jim Rutherford on June 28, 1994 after stepping down as the Whalers' head coach 17 games into the 1993-94 season to concentrate on his duties as general manager. He was named general manager and head coach of the Whalers prior to the start of the 1993-94 season. He was named head coach of the Whalers on June 15, 1992.

Holmgren served as Flyers head coach for four seasons (1988-89 to 1991-92), compiling a 107-126-31 record. He was named head coach of the Flyers on June 1, 1988, after serving three seasons as an assistant coach with the club. He was the first former Flyer to be named head coach of the team.



His international experience includes serving as general manager for the 2006 U.S. National Team for the IIHF World Championships, assistant general manager of the U.S. Olympic Men's Ice Hockey Team that competed in the 2006 Olympic Winter Games and an assistant coach for Team USA at the 1998 Winter Olympic Games and at the 1996 World Cup of Hockey Tournament.

A native of St. Paul, Minnesota, Holmgren retired from playing after the 1984-85 season, having recorded 144 goals and 179 assists for 323 points and 1,684 penalty minutes in 527 career regular season NHL games with the Flyers and the Minnesota North Stars. He was traded to the North Stars by the Flyers in exchange for Paul Guay and a third round pick in the 1985 NHL Entry Draft on February 23, 1984. Holmgren recorded 138 goals and 171 assists for 309 points and 1,600 penalty minutes in 500 games over parts of nine seasons with the Flyers (1975-76 to 1983-84). His 1,600 penalty minutes with the Flyers are second all-time in club history. Holmgren was drafted from the University of Minnesota by the Flyers in the sixth round (108th overall) of the 1975 NHL Entry Draft.

Paul and his wife, Doreen, reside in Somerdale, New Jersey. He has four children: Jason, Kirsten, Wes, and Greta.

chadta
11-13-2006, 05:19 PM
The Anaheim Ducks made two deals on Monday, dealing Todd Fedoruk to Philadelphia for a fourth round pick and acquiring George Parros from the Colorado Avalanche for a second-round pick.


WOOOOHOOOOOOOO the fridge is back

finally the team has some heart, altho i dunno if he has recovered from the caved in face suffered in this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfl75-WaV6A

Clockwork Orange
11-15-2006, 11:53 PM
The Flyers have jumped on the Ducks 5-2 in the first period. Forsberg has 1 goal & 1 assist and JS Giguere has been chased.

This is gonna be a wild one. Two periods to go.

chadta
11-16-2006, 12:04 AM
2 things

first since the human seive robert esche is in net, this one is nowhere near close to being over.

second where the heck are all the people ? the front 20 rows look mostly empty

chadta
11-16-2006, 12:53 AM
5 goals in the first 2 shots in the second, keep up the good work guys, no wonder our record is so bad. And the stands still look empty

chadta
11-17-2006, 12:34 PM
well if this keeps up were gonna have to get the room renamed.

go flyers

chadta
11-21-2006, 10:00 AM
well its good to see that we can play 2 good games and then not show up for the next 2 games. but i think ive figured out the problem.

everybody on the friggin team shoots left, we only have 2 guys that shoot the "right" way and one of them is out of the lineup.

chadta
11-22-2006, 08:55 PM
you guys arent gonna believe this, i went upstairs to watch the game tonight, a few minutes late, and wheni got upstairs the score was still 0-0, every game for the past week we have fallin behind in the first 2 minutes of the game. :thumbsup:

Al Wilson
11-22-2006, 11:54 PM
you guys arent gonna believe this, i went upstairs to watch the game tonight, a few minutes late, and wheni got upstairs the score was still 0-0
Better believe that your team lost...AGAIN :rofl:

chadta
11-23-2006, 12:02 AM
al you missed your thread, i was actually asking where you were, like my sig ? i made it just for you Hilarious!

Al Wilson
11-23-2006, 02:39 AM
al you missed your thread, i was actually asking where you were, like my sig ? i made it just for you Hilarious!
Good work, I actually like it. Maybe you should make one about the Flyers, and how they will beat the Sens for once in the playoffs. Wait...I forgot..The Flyers aren't going to make the playoffs.

chadta
11-24-2006, 10:46 AM
planning the parade down bank street are we al ? cuz you beat the flyers ? gimmie a break dood, everybody beats us this year, and up until now it hasnt really bothered me, but now that the broncos are starting to suck ass to its really starting to piss me off.

game note, todays game is a 1pm start not a night game.

chadta
11-29-2006, 04:31 PM
November 29) - The Philadelphia Flyers announced that they have signed 6’3”, 230-pound right wing Mike Knuble to a two-year contract extension, according to General Manager Paul Holmgren. Per club policy, financial terms were not disclosed.

“We are extremely excited,” said Holmgren in making the announcement. “We are happy with Mike's play since he joined us. We think that he's got more to give to us in the future. He is not only a good player, he's a good person and a guy that we want in our organization moving forward."

“We (my family and I) are very happy,” said Knuble. “My wife and I love the area. The people that we deal with in the organization have been great. I love my teammates and I've had a blast playing here. Even with what has gone on this season, my family and I decided that we wanted to stay here. Paul (Holmgren) approached us about giving us a chance to stay for another two years after this year. It's great and everything that I could have hoped for.

"Whenever you have a deal in front of you and you can sign for a couple of years, of course, you feel more secure. It (the contract extension) allows us to do some things in life and kind of takes me through my mid-30s. I feel that I have a lot of hockey left. I really didn’t start playing a lot until I was 30, so I feel that I have a lot of years left in me. Hopefully, I will stay even longer than that."

Knuble, 34, has recorded seven goals and eight assists for 15 points and 18 penalty minutes in 18 games for the Flyers this season. In two seasons with the Flyers (2005-06 and 2006-07), Knuble has registered 41 goals and 39 assists for 80 points and 98 penalty minutes in 100 regular season games.

Last season, Knuble registered 34 goals and 31 assists for 65 points and 80 penalty minutes in 82 games for the Flyers. His goals, assists and points totals for the season were all new career highs. He was first on the team in power play goals (13) and shooting percentage (15.7% - 34 goals on 217 shots), was second on the team in goals (34) and plus/minus (+25) and was third on the team in points (65). He was the only player to play in all 82 games for the Flyers last season.

Over parts of 10 NHL seasons with the Detroit Red Wings, New York Rangers, Boston Bruins and the Flyers (1996-97 to 2006-07), Knuble has registered 142 goals and 146 assists for 288 points and 322 penalty minutes in 610 regular season games. He signed as a free agent by the Flyers on July 3, 2004.

Knuble was originally drafted by Detroit in the fourth round (76th overall) of the 1991 NHL Entry Draft.

Wednesday, November 29, 2006

http://www.philadelphiaflyers.com/pr...chive/2871.asp

chadta
11-29-2006, 04:36 PM
even better news, the human seive robert esche is out 2- 4 weeks

http://home.comcast.net/~gr8moose/TeamEsche.jpg

Al Wilson
12-05-2006, 11:42 PM
How's the dumpster, Philly fans..or should I say fan?

chadta
12-07-2006, 07:14 PM
Back on the bandwagon i see al, dont worry about the flyers they are starting to come on, theyll make the playoffs, and we all know once you get in you have just as much a chance as everybody else. :thumbs:

alkemical
12-14-2006, 06:22 PM
Back on the bandwagon i see al, dont worry about the flyers they are starting to come on, theyll make the playoffs, and we all know once you get in you have just as much a chance as everybody else. :thumbs:

Uhhh, i don't know if they are going to make the playoffs. If they do you better hope they don't met the pens. LOL!

OWNED!

chadta
12-15-2006, 01:12 AM
Uhhh, i don't know if they are going to make the playoffs. If they do you better hope they don't met the pens. LOL!

OWNED!

I agree, we have been owned by the penguins this year, i told my buddy at work that we got 4 goals against the pens he ****, started almost jumpin up an down, then i was like ummmmm bad news is they got 8, burst his bubble real fast, but i thought it was funny.

as for meeting the pens in the playoffs, 2 reasons that will not happen this year, first being if we do make the playoffs its gonna be an 8th seed thing, and there is no way the pens finish first overall, or the other option of actually winning a playoff round, and i just dont see that happening.

With all of our recent injurys makin the playoffs is looking less and less likely, pretty bad when before the new year your playin for draft picks.

alkemical
12-15-2006, 01:36 PM
I agree, we have been owned by the penguins this year, i told my buddy at work that we got 4 goals against the pens he ****, started almost jumpin up an down, then i was like ummmmm bad news is they got 8, burst his bubble real fast, but i thought it was funny.

as for meeting the pens in the playoffs, 2 reasons that will not happen this year, first being if we do make the playoffs its gonna be an 8th seed thing, and there is no way the pens finish first overall, or the other option of actually winning a playoff round, and i just dont see that happening.

With all of our recent injurys makin the playoffs is looking less and less likely, pretty bad when before the new year your playin for draft picks.



I think the pens can win a 1st round matchup depending on the team. Buff or OTT no way - but i think they can hang with alot of the other teams.

chadta
12-20-2006, 08:29 PM
ok our playoff hopes are alive again, weve aquired mike york, all is saved. :thumbsup:

Bronx33
12-23-2006, 02:32 PM
http://www.kuklaskorner.com/images/uploads/flyers-fans3.gif

Hogan11
01-01-2007, 06:20 PM
Hey, we won our 10th game last night!

Al Wilson
01-08-2007, 12:51 AM
You guys love getting blown out.

I don't care if Sens don't win the division because we can beat any team on any night

Bronx33
01-10-2007, 06:32 PM
VOORHEES, N.J. (AP) -Philadelphia Flyers captain Peter Forsberg is expected back in the lineup Thursday against the Montreal Canadiens.

Forsberg, who missed four games with a groin injury, skated in practice Wednesday and announced he's ready to go.

"Everything's fine," he said. "And hopefully I'll be in the lineup for a while."

Forsberg has spent the last few days trying, again, to perfect a skate boot for his troublesome right ankle, which was surgically repaired last May. The 33-year-old Swede has said he believes problems with his skate caused the groin injury.

Doctors at Temple University have been working with him, experimenting with different orthotics to try to get a proper fit.

"Is it a hundred percent? No, it's not a hundred percent," said Forsberg, who has missed 16 games and parts of three others this season. "But I have to play. My hope is that it will get to one hundred percent."

The Flyers, 0-13-3 without Forsberg, just completed the worst half-season in franchise history.

Coach John Stevens said the team plays better with Forsberg in the lineup.

"Everything changes when he is in. It's a ripple effect through your lineup. Every line gets stronger," Stevens said. "When you're playing teams like Montreal, which has some depth, he goes a long way toward us figuring out the matchups we want to use."

Hogan11
01-20-2007, 09:46 AM
I wanna know what the hell happened to all that Phantom talent that was supposedly in the pipeline? ???

Bronx33
01-20-2007, 12:31 PM
I wanna know what the hell happened to all that Phantom talent that was supposedly in the pipeline? ???


Clarke probably traded em for a shiney rock before his demotion. ;D

Mtbrncofn
01-22-2007, 10:20 PM
Hey chad, any good trade rumors coming out of your city there? Halfway legitimate ones? Everyone and their brother has made up a Forsberg trade rumor. Just wondering what they're saying back there.

alkemical
01-23-2007, 12:47 AM
I have not heard of anything "good". I live not far from PHI -

Mtbrncofn
01-23-2007, 01:09 AM
Thanks, ames. There are so many wacky ones circulating around. I wondered if maybe there were some legit ones coming out of there.

chadta
01-26-2007, 08:56 PM
im not from philly, i actually live pretty close to toronto, so far ive heard forsberg is going to the avs, wings, habs, and rangers, all within about a 2 day period,

honestly, id trade him for a bag of pucks, hes useless when he only plays 50% of the time, the team needs a captain who shows up every night and can actually play every night.

other then that no i havent really heard anything

chadta
02-22-2007, 09:41 AM
must say im pretty happy with what the team got for forsberg, and i for one hope he dosent come back, weve been down this road before, how many more times do we need to have our leader only play half the games, lets not repeat lindros, oh wait i mean primeau, oh wait i mean forsberg, enough already gimmie a good player that isnt made of glass.

Al Wilson
03-14-2007, 12:33 AM
Been a while, so let's bump the hotest team in the league, the mighty Flyers 8')

alkemical
03-14-2007, 09:47 AM
what, you mean after that 4-0 shut out by the desert dogs?

chadta
03-19-2007, 12:49 PM
ya know as bad as this year has been, we still swept the atlanta thrashers, and thats the only bright spot i can see on this season, that being said.

Al, after sid the kid and the rest of the penguins knock you guys out in 4 games your team will once again be wondering what the hell happened and promising better things next year. What happened to you guys last year anyhow ? i thought there was a guarentee ? something about lord stanley ?

alkemical
03-19-2007, 01:44 PM
Thanks for Eric Christiansen!

Hogan11
03-24-2007, 03:56 PM
What a messed up, kick in the nuts kinda year this has been...........

chadta
03-25-2007, 12:19 PM
yeah its been a really bad year, but weve done in one bad year what it took the penguins 5 bad years to do, weve gotten young and cheap, we have 25 mill to spend cap wise over the summer, and you know we will spend it, we will be a contender again next year.

alkemical
03-25-2007, 03:31 PM
Go ahead and spend it, it's done you alot of good so far hasn't it.

chadta
04-08-2007, 09:24 PM
well for the first time in 13 years the flyers won the last game they played, come on july 1st, and watch out next year.

chadta
06-30-2007, 06:03 PM
i swear if we sign that little bitch brierre im gonna quit watching hockey, i cant stand that little puke, and after watching last year having to watch him would be to much to handle.

Bronx33
06-30-2007, 06:35 PM
i swear if we sign that little b**** brierre im gonna quit watching hockey, i cant stand that little puke, and after watching last year having to watch him would be to much to handle.

Sorry to say brierre is an excellent player and a fine signing (if it's true) 32 goals and 95 points is a great addition to any team.

chadta
09-27-2007, 03:46 PM
lets start the year off with a bang (http://youtube.com/watch?v=322zqTkL0-c)
more of that to come al keep your head up or little steve downie is gonna get ya.

24champ
09-27-2007, 07:22 PM
Cheap shot...typical Flyers hockey.

chadta
09-28-2007, 04:59 PM
oh how times have changed, the nhl is turning into the sissies hockey league, 20 friggin games for a borderline legal hit

good old days (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGRheKlGbq0&mode=related&search=)

new pussified nhl 20 game suspension (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HerZdQmigLs)

i shoulda givin up hockey when the flyers signed brierre

to put things in a way even you colorado homers can understand, downie got the same suspension as bertuzzi, is that this even in the same league ? gimmie a break. 2 minutes charging maybe, 2 more for boarding possible, but 20 games, my god.

Bronx33
09-28-2007, 06:22 PM
PHILADELPHIA (AP) -Flyers forward Joffrey Lupul has a sprained left wrist and was listed as day to day on Thursday, an improved diagnosis after Philadelphia feared he broke his wrist.

"He had some medicine injected into that wrist this morning, and we're hopeful that with three-to-five days of rest, he'll be better," said Flyers general manager Paul Holmgren.

Forwards Scottie Upshall and R.J Umberger also had surgery Thursday. Umberger had screws inserted into the pinkie finger of his left hand and Upshall had surgery on his left wrist.

Upshall could miss up to six weeks; Umberger could miss two weeks.

Upshall and Umberger were both hurt in Philadelphia's 4-2 loss against Ottawa on Tuesday night.

Bronx33
09-28-2007, 06:24 PM
oh how times have changed, the nhl is turning into the sissies hockey league, 20 friggin games for a borderline legal hit

good old days (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGRheKlGbq0&mode=related&search=)

new pussified nhl 20 game suspension (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HerZdQmigLs)

i shoulda givin up hockey when the flyers signed brierre

to put things in a way even you colorado homers can understand, downie got the same suspension as bertuzzi, is that this even in the same league ? gimmie a break. 2 minutes charging maybe, 2 more for boarding possible, but 20 games, my god.


I will never understand what you have against brierre and downie got what he deserved (end of story)

24champ
09-28-2007, 08:26 PM
oh how times have changed, the nhl is turning into the sissies hockey league, 20 friggin games for a borderline legal hit

What in the world makes it BORDERLINE LEGAL? Your ****ing blind.

Bronx33
09-28-2007, 09:58 PM
Cheapshot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA1LYxneRpE&mode=related&search=)
Here one in slow mo (no doubt he left his feet)

chadta
09-28-2007, 10:42 PM
Cheapshot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA1LYxneRpE&mode=related&search=)
Here one in slow mo (no doubt he left his feet)



How many games did brandon sutter get for this hit (http://youtube.com/watch?v=EUGJXma9VPU) or how many games did bureau get for this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dJOxIBe5LI) and how many games did neil get for this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLwfxfUPH0g)

neils was a friggin elbow and he was clearly off his feet, downie was off his feet, yeah he was about to hit somebody a foot taller then him, if he didnt leap he woulda bounced off him like a fly. none of these other ass clowns gets a game but downie gets 20. gimmie a break.

lets look at the rulebook

http://www.nhl.com/hockeyu/rulebook/rule47.html

Charging shall mean the actions of a player who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner. A "Charge" may be the result of a check into the boards, into the goal frame or in open ice.

1. A minor or major penalty shall be imposed on a player who skates or jumps into, or charges an opponent in any manner.
2. When a major penalty is imposed under this Rule for a foul resulting in an injury to the face or head of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed, and an automatic fine of one hundred dollars ($100).
3. A minor, major or a major and a game misconduct shall be imposed on a player who charges a goalkeeper while the goalkeeper is within his goal crease.

that rule to me fits the hit, it was charging, 5 and a game

Boarding

# A minor or major penalty, at the discretion of the Referee, based upon the degree of violence of the impact with the boards, shall be imposed on any player who checks an opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to be thrown violently in the boards.

(NOTE) Any unnecessary contact with a player playing the puck on an obvious "icing" or "off-side" play which results in that player being knocked into the boards is "boarding" and must be penalized as such. In other instances where there is no contact with the boards, it should be treated as "charging".
# When a major penalty is imposed under this Rule for a foul resulting in an injury to the face or head of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed.
# Any player who incurs a total of two (2) game misconducts for Boarding under Rule 44 (b), in either Regular Season or Playoffs, shall be suspended automatically for the next game of his Team. For each subsequent game misconduct penalty the automatic suspension shall be increased by one game.
# When a major penalty is imposed under this Rule, an automatic fine of one hundred dollars ($100) shall be imposed.

possibly, but if this was to apply then every hit where a person hits the boards would be worth a penalty.


the problem here is that he stayed down, if he got up it would have been a great hit, and thats wrong.

think back to the playoffs 2 years ago remember this hit on rj (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMDKXzfbrYE) awesome hit, once again guy got clobbered with his head down, how many games did campbell get ?

or what about last year before the playoffs remember this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R8maaJPeFE) and he got what 3 games for this, but somehow downies is worth 20 ?

come on, if this is the new standard i want to see everybody who makes any sort of headshot get 20 games

SoCalBronco
09-28-2007, 11:02 PM
Get ready to get raped eight times again.

chadta
09-28-2007, 11:24 PM
Get ready to get raped eight times again.

thats fine, so we go 78-8 im ok with that

LOL

Bronx33
09-28-2007, 11:25 PM
How many games did brandon sutter get for this hit (http://youtube.com/watch?v=EUGJXma9VPU) or how many games did bureau get for this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dJOxIBe5LI) and how many games did neil get for this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLwfxfUPH0g)

neils was a friggin elbow and he was clearly off his feet, downie was off his feet, yeah he was about to hit somebody a foot taller then him, if he didnt leap he woulda bounced off him like a fly. none of these other ass clowns gets a game but downie gets 20. gimmie a break.

lets look at the rulebook

http://www.nhl.com/hockeyu/rulebook/rule47.html

Charging shall mean the actions of a player who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner. A "Charge" may be the result of a check into the boards, into the goal frame or in open ice.

1. A minor or major penalty shall be imposed on a player who skates or jumps into, or charges an opponent in any manner.
2. When a major penalty is imposed under this Rule for a foul resulting in an injury to the face or head of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed, and an automatic fine of one hundred dollars ($100).
3. A minor, major or a major and a game misconduct shall be imposed on a player who charges a goalkeeper while the goalkeeper is within his goal crease.

that rule to me fits the hit, it was charging, 5 and a game

Boarding

# A minor or major penalty, at the discretion of the Referee, based upon the degree of violence of the impact with the boards, shall be imposed on any player who checks an opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to be thrown violently in the boards.

(NOTE) Any unnecessary contact with a player playing the puck on an obvious "icing" or "off-side" play which results in that player being knocked into the boards is "boarding" and must be penalized as such. In other instances where there is no contact with the boards, it should be treated as "charging".
# When a major penalty is imposed under this Rule for a foul resulting in an injury to the face or head of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed.
# Any player who incurs a total of two (2) game misconducts for Boarding under Rule 44 (b), in either Regular Season or Playoffs, shall be suspended automatically for the next game of his Team. For each subsequent game misconduct penalty the automatic suspension shall be increased by one game.
# When a major penalty is imposed under this Rule, an automatic fine of one hundred dollars ($100) shall be imposed.

possibly, but if this was to apply then every hit where a person hits the boards would be worth a penalty.


the problem here is that he stayed down, if he got up it would have been a great hit, and thats wrong.

think back to the playoffs 2 years ago remember this hit on rj (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMDKXzfbrYE) awesome hit, once again guy got clobbered with his head down, how many games did campbell get ?

or what about last year before the playoffs remember this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R8maaJPeFE) and he got what 3 games for this, but somehow downies is worth 20 ?

come on, if this is the new standard i want to see everybody who makes any sort of headshot get 20 games


The league is addressing the head hunting (NOW) and downie stepped up first in line (a harsh suspension) right away should help curb the head shots problem (that is way over due BTW) someone is going to get killed if they don't address it early. Pass incidents are meaningless right now chada the NHL is addressing the problem now on a easy target a NHL hopeful that was probably being sent down anyways downie has nobody to blame but himself.

Bronx33
09-28-2007, 11:49 PM
Dean McAmmond has released a statement:

"I feel the ruling is strong enough to prevent these things from happening in the future. At this point, the NHL needs to a make a statement to try to protect players, and I hope that a suspension of this length will do that successfully."

chadta
09-28-2007, 11:56 PM
The league is addressing the head hunting (NOW) and downie stepped up first in line (a harsh suspension) right away should help curb the head shots problem (that is way over due BTW) someone is going to get killed if they don't address it early. Pass incidents are meaningless right now chada the NHL is addressing the problem now on a easy target a NHL hopeful that was probably being sent down anyways downie has nobody to blame but himself.

which is fine, and i agree sorta, but the league needs to be consistant, which means socals man colby armstrong should miss half the season with hits like last 10 seconds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9RuldyPcIA) and this too (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaZzUDc83nQ&mode=related&search=) and this too (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gTisKFrh4A&mode=related&search=)

aslong as all the hits are punished equal its ok, but im betting there is a similar hit before the end of october that dosent get the same punishment.

BTW how exactly have they decided to take action on this, what rule was brought in to address this ? NONE, there is no rule inplace other then the 2 i mentioned that gets him any sort of suspension. They had talks about it, thats fine, the game isnt played governed by talks its governed by rules.

Bronx33
09-28-2007, 11:59 PM
which is fine, and i agree sorta, but the league needs to be consistant, which means socals man colby armstrong should miss half the season with hits like last 10 seconds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9RuldyPcIA) and this too (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaZzUDc83nQ&mode=related&search=) and this too (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gTisKFrh4A&mode=related&search=)

aslong as all the hits are punished equal its ok, but im betting there is a similar hit before the end of october that dosent get the same punishment.


Look for consistancy (this year) anything that happened before is a non issue (this year)

chadta
09-29-2007, 12:01 AM
Look for consistancy (this year) anything that happened before is a non issue (this year)

I will be, and ill be surprised if i see it.

chadta
09-29-2007, 02:16 PM
I will never understand what you have against brierre and downie got what he deserved (end of story)

hes a dirty player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxi77lWJdaw)

i have no problem with a hard, heavy, even borderline body checks, i have no use whatsoever for stickwork, i think there is a line between tough which i like and dirty which i dont. I stopped watching the flyers when they had ulf samuelson cuz hes such a dirty friggin player, i dont think briere is quite that bad, and at least he has a little bit of skill too, but i just dont like him.

Bronx33
09-29-2007, 11:41 PM
The Philadelphia Flyers sent suspended forward Steve Downie down to the Philadelphia Phantoms of the American Hockey League on Saturday.

Downie, 20, was suspended by the NHL for 20 games on Friday for his hit on Ottawa's Dean McAmmond in an exhibition game Tuesday night. The five-foot-10, 192-pound rookie received a match penalty, which carries an automatic indefinite suspension pending a league review.

The demotion makes Downie automatically ineligible to play for the Phantoms, although an AHL spokesman said Friday that the league could review the case.

Downie had an opportunity to make the Flyers' roster, and his NHL debut, after forwards Scottie Upshall, R.J. Umberger and Joffrey Lupul sustained injuries.

If Downie had started the season with the Flyers and served the full 20 games, he would have been eligible to return Nov. 23 against Washington. The next night, the Flyers face the Senators.

He will forfeit US$63,101.60 in salary.

Downie recorded a goal and 17 penalty minutes in four pre-season games for the Flyers.

Philadelphia's first round pick (29th overall) in the 2005 NHL Entry Draft, Downie recorded 35 goals and 57 assists for 92 points and 124 penalty minutes in 45 regular season games for the OHL's Peterborough Petes and Kitchener Rangers last season.

Downie helped Canada capture last year's world junior hockey championship in Sweden.

Bronx33
09-29-2007, 11:52 PM
hes a dirty player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxi77lWJdaw)

i have no problem with a hard, heavy, even borderline body checks, i have no use whatsoever for stickwork, i think there is a line between tough which i like and dirty which i dont. I stopped watching the flyers when they had ulf samuelson cuz hes such a dirty friggin player, i dont think briere is quite that bad, and at least he has a little bit of skill too, but i just dont like him.


It might have had something to do with this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxMJrQhGoSg).

Ovy got a love tap to the gizzard for almost killing briere seems like a mighty fair trade if you ask me.

chadta
09-30-2007, 03:21 PM
It might have had something to do with this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxMJrQhGoSg).

Ovy got a love tap to the gizzard for almost killing briere seems like a mighty fair trade if you ask me.

no its wrong, you dont go hit a guy with a stick, you put a shoulder into him like downie did, or you drop your gloves and pound it into him, its NEVER ok to use your stick to defend yourself.

chadta
09-30-2007, 03:32 PM
Dean McAmmond has released a statement:

"I feel the ruling is strong enough to prevent these things from happening in the future. At this point, the NHL needs to a make a statement to try to protect players, and I hope that a suspension of this length will do that successfully."


When people enforce punishments to "set examples," we should all be worried. Examples are set by establishing clear rules and laws, not by choosing an arbitrary time to hang someone. There was no official rule changes made therefore this is nothing more then colin cambpell making stuff up as he goes, and i would put money on the fact that it is not infoced fairly throughout the year.

24champ
09-30-2007, 03:40 PM
i swear if we sign that little b**** brierre im gonna quit watching hockey, i cant stand that little puke, and after watching last year having to watch him would be to much to handle.

You still watching hockey?

chadta
10-01-2007, 12:52 AM
You still watching hockey?

i havent watched a flyers game yet LOL

but i do still follow the sport

i have a couple of examples of the "new n headhunting NHL"

no suspension for this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWMFdCdJTJ4)

and nothing for this either (http://youtube.com/watch?v=7g3poEP7_Ec)

ya know im trying not to be a total homer here, but come on, while slightly different then downies hit, if the nhl was seriously trying to eliminate headhsots then both of these deserve atleast a few games if not 10

chadta
10-05-2007, 01:41 AM
ok call me bob, i may have to go back and go against everything i beleive in and root for the little bitch, i mean 2 goals , almost 3 and a victory, hell it was november before we won a game last year.

Bronx33
10-06-2007, 01:26 PM
Here (http://www.globesports.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071005.wsptduha5/GSStory/GlobeSportsHockey/home/?pageRequested=all)



As starts go, they couldn't have scripted it any better.

The Philadelphia Flyers, statistically the worst team in the NHL last season, went on the road to play the team that won more home games than anybody else a year ago (Calgary Flames) and squeezed out a 3-2 opening-night win, thanks to a late goal by the $52 million-dollar man, Daniel Briere. The Flyers got ahead early but were hanging on the ropes when they took advantage of a miscue/bad bounce to score the winner, Simon Gagne to Briere, who demonstrated again that he is one of the most opportunistic finishers in the league right now.

Just about everybody believes the Flyers can rebound from last year's disaster to some degree this season, as a result of an impressive overhaul orchestrated by general manager Paul Holmgren over the past six months.

Holmgren created what may be the new template for rebuilding in the salary-cap era: If you're going to be bad, it's better to be really, really bad - rather than forever try to hang around the cusp of the playoff race, never really getting good enough to compete for a championship, but never really getting bad enough to prevent your die-hard fans from praying for a miracle.

Now, employing a scorched-earth strategy generally comes with a price - and last year, two men (coach Ken Hitchcock and GM Bobby Clarke) paid the price in Philly. After a 1-6-1 start, the Flyers fired Hitchcock while Clarke resigned, citing burnout. John Stevens was promoted from the minors to run the team; Holmgren received the manager's post on an interim basis, or until it quickly became clear that he had the smarts and the vision to handle the job on a full-time basis.

Holmgren's greatest achievement was not being afraid to fail in a splashy, eye-catching way. There was nothing to salvage about last year's Flyers anyway, and so sentiment did not enter into any of his decisions. Even though Peter Forsberg wanted to stay, he was traded him away. Even though Joni Pitkanen was the sort of young highly drafted player that teams are loath to part with, they moved him anyway. Anybody looking for an asset to help for the stretch run found a willing listener in Holmgren, which is how he came to land Braydon Coburn, a 6-foot-5 defenceman from the Atlanta Thrashers organization (and the second rearguard taken in the 2003 entry draft, just behind Ryan Suter and just ahead of Dion Phaneuf) in exchange for Alexei Zhitnik. Coburn is 22, with a big upside (he's playing at the moment with 6-4 Derian Hatcher on the Flyers' No. 1 shutdown defence pair). Zhitnik is 35 and nearing the end of the line.

The net result was that Holmgren opened up some salary-cap space for his team, stockpiled other attractive young assets (Scottie Upshall, Ryan Parent) and then aggressively began the process of making the Flyers better, even before the free-agency window opened on July 1.

Consider for example that he parted with only a second-round draft choice to land goaltender Martin Biron from the Buffalo Sabres. It seemed like an odd deal at the time because Biron was destined to become an unrestricted free agent in a few months anyway. But by bringing in Biron for 16 appearances, they got the inside track on signing him and received an up-close-and-personal chance to evaluate whether he had the right stuff to be a No. 1 goaltender, at a fairly modest price.

Compare that to what the Toronto Maple Leafs surrendered the past two seasons to land, first Andrew Raycroft (giving up top Finnish prospect Tuuka Rask, a former first-rounder) and then Vesa Toskala (first- second- and fourth-round draft choices to the San Jose Sharks). Do either Raycroft or Toskala represent significantly better net-minding options than Biron at the moment? Probably not.

None are in the absolute first tier of NHL goaltenders; all can get the job done. The only real difference is that Philadelphia's acquisition costs were significantly lower. Biron's presence on their roster (plus a big pile of cash) helped them lure Briere, a former Sabres' teammate and close friend, to the City of Brotherly Love. Briere, Kimmo Timmonen and Jason Smith — all newcomers to the Flyers this season — captained the Sabres, Nashville Predators and Edmonton Oilers last season, meaning the Flyers also upgraded their leadership quotient at the same time as they improved their on-ice personnel.

The Flyers took their lumps in the short term by plunging to the bottom of the NHL standings — something that also gave them a chance to draft James vanRiemsdyk second overall in June's entry draft — and have reversed field nicely. Their opening-night roster featured five former first-round picks age 25 or under (Jeff Carter, Mike Richards, Joffrey Lupul, Scott Hartnell and Coburn), plus two others on injured reserve (Upshall and R.J. Umberger), not to mention blue-chippers vanRiesmsdyk and Parent, plus the love-him-or-hate-him pest Steve Downie.

Sadly, the Leafs fall into the other category — of a team that perennially tries so hard to compete in the here-and-now that they are forever caught in between, with never enough assets to legitimately challenge for a championship, but never really bad enough to draft blue-chip youngsters or bold enough to trade "untouchable" core players. What if, the year the Leafs were destined to miss the playoffs coming out of the lockout, they'd moved — among other assets - Bryan McCabe, Mats Sundin and Ed Belfour at the deadline? Could they have gotten a Zhitnik-like package for McCabe (remember, he didn't sign that five-year contract extension until June of 2006; so he wasn't considered an overprice property at that time). Could they have gotten a Peter Forsberg-like package for Mats Sundin? And could Belfour, who was in the midst of his last good season for the Leafs, have produced something akin to what the Minnesota Wild received from Edmonton for Dwayne Roloson.

Naturally, we'll never know now. But if the Leafs had conducted a player purge in the spring of 2006, they would have been in a position to land Chris Pronger out of Edmonton (provided Mrs. Pronger gave the thumbs-up to a move to Toronto). They would have had the extra salary-cap room to wade into the free-agent market (instead of tying up all those dollars in McCabe). And if Pronger had landed there, they probably wouldn't have needed to overpay Pavel Kubina either. In short, it would be a far different look in Leaf-land which, given the current state of organization, probably wouldn't be such a bad thing.

The Flyers aren't all the way back by any means, but there's a palpable sense of excitement around the team, brought on in equal parts by fresh blood, an aggressive management team, and a deep-seated conviction that extended mediocrity is perhaps the worst sin that a team can visit on its fan base — and that it is far better off to hit rock bottom and then yo-yo up again as opposed to flat-lining somewhere in the middle.

The Boston Globe's Kevin Paul Dupont used to describe the Hartford Whalers that way before they moved to Carolina. He called them 'the forever .500s' — a team destined to get just so good, but never any better, making the playoffs six years in a row and bowing out in the first round every time. All that changed, when the franchise shifted south. Now, the Hurricanes are the poster boys for wild dizzying swings in the standings: three years out of the playoffs along with two trips to the Stanley Cup final and one championship over the past five seasons. Probably just about anyone who supports the Leafs would consider that crazy up-and-down pattern as a trade-off well worth accepting if it actually put an end to that 40-year Stanley Cup drought.

JUST DUCKY: Put the Anaheim Ducks in the same boat as Carolina.

They've missed the playoffs in four of the past seven years, but in the other three, qualified for the Stanley Cup final twice (winning last year) and the conference final the other year. Carolina lost its opener to the Montreal Canadiens, a team they play three times in the first month and with whom they've developed something of a rivalry.

The Ducks, if they split their next two, have a chance to survive a tough early season schedule at .500 - five points in five games, which they'd take, given their injuries (to J.S. Giguere, Mathieu Schneider and Sami Pahlsson), defections (Scott Niedermayer and Teemu Selanne still in limbo) and the fact that they opened the season in Europe and then returned to provide the opposition for Detroit, Columbus and Pittsburgh in their respective home openers.

The Kings, who opened the season in London, England against the Ducks last weekend, opted to go a different scheduling route. They took a week off to re-acclimate to the Pacific time-zone before their home opener Saturday against visiting St. Louis, meaning Kings rookie forward Brady Murray will play his third-ever NHL game against his dad, Andy Murray, who happens to be the Blues' coach.

Andy Murray is the all-time Kings coaching wins leader and was their coach when the Kings drafted Brady 152nd overall back 2003. This will mark the fourth time in league history that a father coached a game against his son: The others: Bob Johnson, Calgary, vs. Mark Johnson, Hartford (first meeting was Oct. 21, 1982); Bill Dineen, Philadelphia, vs. Gord Dineen, Ottawa (Feb. 9, 1993) and Rick Wilson, Dallas, vs. Landon Wilson, Phoenix (Feb. 26, 2002).

THE JASON SPEZZA WATCH: The contract the Ottawa Senators gave Dany Heatley this past week was for a few dollars more and one year longer in term than the one the Flames signed Jarome Iginla to earlier in the summer. Heatley received a $7.5 million average over six years (front-loaded so that he'll earn $10 million in the first season), while Iginla took $7 million over five years. Both were eligible to become unrestricted free agents next summer and would have been interesting comparables had they hit the open market together.

Heatley is the more accomplished sniper; Iginla a far more complete player. Both have led their teams to one Stanley Cup final appearance, but have yet to win a championship. The fact that Iginla cumulatively outscored Heatley over the past three seasons (234 points to 233) was mostly because Heatley played 38 fewer games in that span. Iginla is 30, Heatley 26 — and while Iginla is clearly the top forward on Calgary, Heatley gets competition from both Jason Spezza and Daniel Alfredsson for that designation in Ottawa.

With Heatley in the fold, attention will now turn to signing the 24-year-old Spezza to a long-term contract as well. Spezza becomes a restricted free agent next summer, with a chance to become unrestricted in July, 2009, if he and the Senators cannot hammer out a long-term deal.

Of course, things could get interesting far sooner than that. This past summer, the Edmonton Oilers' Kevin Lowe broke a long-standing gentlemen's agreement among NHL general managers and signed two prominent young players — Tomas Vanek of Buffalo and Dustin Penner of Anaheim — to offer sheets as restricted free agents. The Sabres matched the Oilers' offer to retain Vanek's rights; while the Ducks let Penner go — and started a cold war between the respective managers, Lowe and Brian Burke, that shows no signs of abating.

If Vanek can command a $50 million offer sheet, what might some team (say Toronto?) be prepared to pay Spezza who, on a points-per-game basis over the past two seasons, is one of the league's absolutely elite stars? It could set a post-lockout record — and it's something the Senators clearly need to ponder as they develop their long-term payroll strategy (and almost certainly means that Wade Redden's future in the nation's capital is coming to an end), unless he is willing to take a significant pay cut to stay on.

Redden showed his commitment to the cause by dropping the gloves twice in the opener against the Maple Leafs, something that sent a signal to the dressing room, if nowhere else. But the reality is, Redden's two-year, $13 million contract, signed two summers ago, is now far more than the Senators can afford to pay, given their other contractual commitments, present and future.

THE EVER QUOTABLE JACQUES MARTIN: As part of their season-opening coverage, just about every newspaper does the standard predictions and/or question-and-answer sessions with the home team's managers and key personnel. And so it was that the Miami Herald posed a question to Florida Panthers' general manager (and ex-Ottawa coach) Jacques Martin on the eve of their opener against the New York Rangers: "True or false — the Roberto Luongo trade is the worst trade in the history of your sport?" Martin, according to the paper, replied "True."

A day later, team captain Olli Jokinen was asked to weigh in on the deal a day later to the rival Sun-Sentimental newspaper, and agreed — to a point. "Probably, as far as this franchise, yes," answered Jokinen. "It was shocking. It was a bad move."

Of course, purists with longer memories than Martin might offer up the Nov. 7, 1975 deal between Boston and Chicago that saw Phil Esposito, Ken Hodge and Fred Stanfield join the Bruins for Pit Martin, Jack Norris and Gilles Marotte as the most decidedly one-sided trade ever. And Leaf fans of a more recent vintage could probably state the case for the Toronto-Calgary 10-player deal that effectively saw Doug Gilmour swapped for Gary Leeman.

The Panthers were supposed to have solved their goaltending issues with the off-season acquisition of Tomas Vokoun. On the second night of the season, when six of the seven games on the schedule featuring five goals or fewer, the Rangers lit up Vokoun for five goals, including four in fewer than seven minutes in the third period, in a 5-2 New York win. Wonder if Vokoun was reading the local papers on line that day?

--- Luongo, by the way, makes his first regular-season appearance against Mike Keenan, the man who traded him out of Florida, for Vancouver against Calgary Saturday night

--- The Avalanche started goaltender Peter Budaj on back-to-back nights, in part because Jose Theodore was recovering from knee surgery and not ready to play yet. The Avs assigned Theodore to their minor-league affiliate, the Lake Erie Monsters, to get a game under his belt before returning to the team Sunday.

Even though the Avs have steadfastly advised just to leave Theodore in the minors (thus striking his $6 million salary from their payroll), they appear to be content to let him be a high-priced back-up this year. According to GM Francois Giguere, Theodore "is in the final stages of his rehabilitation work and both our hockey staff and he agreed that actual game action would be the way to complete this process."

SWIMMING WITH SHARKS: The San Jose Sharks' new season got off to a rocky start with that shootout loss to the Edmonton Oilers Thursday night — and probably brought back lots of bad memories of how they frittered away their 2006 playoff hopes in the same arena, blowing a 2-0 lead in a series they should have won going away.

Curiously, their recent pattern of failure is one reason why so many pre-season prognosticators like the Sharks to finally shed their image as playoff also-rans this spring. The Sharks had the Detroit Red Wings on the ropes last spring as well, only to let them off the hook, something that Joe Thornton says will provide them with gobs of motivation this season.

In an era with no real clear-cut powerhouses on the NHL horizon, motivation can sometimes be the single most important factor in winning or losing at crunch time. For reasons that even they have a hard time explaining, teams that win a Stanley Cup one year often have trouble finding the same motivation the next year. They're just not as hungry. By contrast, teams that lose a playoff series they think they were good enough to win often find they have motivation in large quantities the next year.

How hard was it for the Sharks to come so close two years in a row and then to let a series slip through their fingers?

"Real hard," answered Thornton. "That's why most of us re-signed for the number of years that we did — because we believe in these guys and we really do believe we have a chance to win the Stanley Cup this year, next year, the year and the year after that — the next four years. That's why I signed for another three years, why Patty (Marleau) signed for two more, Milan (Michalek), (Craig) Rivet. We feel like we're right there and we just need to put it all together this year."

Two years ago, Thornton led the league in scoring while linemate Jonathan Cheechoo led in goals. Cheechoo's numbers fell off last year, partly because he was playing with two hernias at the end of the season that required summer surgery. He also needed time to recover from a knee injury suffered in the opening round against Nashville (on a Scott Hartnell hit) that limited his effectiveness. Thornton, meanwhile, played all year with a bad toe and still managed to give Sidney Crosby a run for the scoring title. In the past three seasons, Thornton is the NHL's overall scoring leader — and it isn't even close. He's had 312 points in that span; the Rangers' Jaromir Jagr is next at 293.

"He feels healthy and I feel healthy," said Thornton. "Last year, he (Cheechoo) got 39 goals. That's a successful year, but everybody was expecting him to get 50 again. I think anywhere from 40 to 50 is a successful year for him."

Cheechoo's operation limited his movement and effectively stopped him from training for six weeks, which left his conditioning a little behind when training camps opened.

"You can't do much," he said. "It takes a while for it to heal, every time they cut you open. And you kind of need your core to do everything. It's not like you can work on something else, while you're waiting for that to heal."

The presence of 37-year-old Jeremy Roenick on the roster masks the fact that the Sharks are one of the youngest teams in the league. But not too young, said Thornton.

"You can just see the maturity in our young defencemen and some of our young forwards," said Thornton. "When I was 22, the year you turn 23, that makes a huge difference mentally and physically. You get more confidence. Everybody on this team is going through that together, which is fun. You can just see the improvements within everybody's game. Everybody works so hard. Hopefully, it'll pay off this year."

AND FINALLY: If Peter Forsberg returns to play in the NHL this season, which is looking increasingly likely with every passing day, the thinking is that Colorado would be his first choice. Forsberg wants to play in a comfortable environment and have a chance to win again. The Avs would provide him with that opportunity (he played their most of his career), as would Philadelphia (last year's club), Detroit (with its heavy concentration of Swedes) and Vancouver (see Detroit). Forsberg is skating again back home with MoDo, his former team in the Elitserien.

Bronx33
10-11-2007, 05:28 PM
Another flyer in trouble (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-Y3x0mr_Ik)

Jesse Boulerice crosscheck to the face of Ryan Kesler in last night’s Flyers at Canucks game will most likely earn him a suspension, and a lengthy one at that.

Both Boulerice and Flyers coach John Stevens expect one.

“It’s unacceptable, it’s something that we can’t have, Flyers coach John Stevens said. “We didn’t need to get involved in anything really, we had the hockey game in hand and that was the message on the bench, so that kind of stuff can’t happen.”

Kesler spoke with the media after the game. His jaw is not broken, and he will undergo an MRI today to see if there’s a fracture. The AP thoughts from Boulerice were succinct:

Boulerice said he was sorry for the hit.

“I reacted in a bad way the wrong way,” he said.

chadta
10-11-2007, 06:35 PM
honestly, this deserves 20 games, there is no place in the game for plays like that.

BUT

im happy that the team is sticking up for itself and each other this year, unlike 2 years ago when umberger got clocked and nobody did anything, that being said, the stick is not the way to do it.

message sent to everybody in the league, dirty or not, you take a run at one of our guys, your gonna get it. its a very proud day to be a flyers fan, despite the fact that the play was extremely dirty.

chadta
10-12-2007, 09:20 AM
ok this didnt take long, click the link half way down the page for highlights.

tootoo pulls a downie (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=220435&hubname=nhl)

Now, the difference is that he didnt connect nearly as well, but the intent was there, he better get some kind of suspension otherwise it proves the league is reacting to the injury and not the cause of it. He took a run, never broke stride, led with shoulder at head , unsuspecting opponent, only thing missing is the serious injury.

come on campbell prove me wrong

chadta
10-16-2007, 10:34 PM
and the casualties continue to mount at the hands of the reborn philly flyers.

add a coach to the list (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=220818&hubname=)

first it was steve downie taking out mccammond, then boulerice took out kessler, and last night the team took out bob hartley.

last year it took until november 15th to get win #4, this year it was almost a full month earlier on october 16th.

chadta
10-18-2007, 10:36 PM
4-0 over the devils

2 shut outs in a row for biron, secondary scoring does it again with goals from lupul, kapanen, richards and dowd.

keep up the good work guys

Bronx33
10-19-2007, 12:05 AM
The devs played last night and look pretty tired but no excuse flyers beat em.

chadta
10-19-2007, 12:49 AM
the flyers were outshot 38-18 so i dont really think the tired thing had much to do with it, they just arent the team they were a few years ago, and thankfully the flyers arent the team they were last year.

Bronx33
10-19-2007, 05:27 PM
I should have been more specific (Brodeur) looked tired..

chadta
10-19-2007, 06:07 PM
I should have been more specific (Brodeur) looked tired..

brodeur hasnt been playing well all year.

Bronx33
10-19-2007, 06:23 PM
brodeur hasnt been playing well all year.




Iam saying this based on the fact he played the pens the night before he played the flyers..

chadta
10-19-2007, 08:29 PM
Iam saying this based on the fact he played the pens the night before he played the flyers..

and i am saying that based on his stats

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app?service=page&page=PlayerDetail&playerId=8455710

2 wins , 27th in average and 32nd in save percentage, those are far from brodeur numbers, the fact that he played the day before has very little to do with it, keep in mind he played at least 70 games every year for the last god knows how long, so back to back dosent seem to bother him.

Hogan11
10-20-2007, 05:49 PM
I am pleased thus far......GO FLYERS!!!

Bronx33
10-20-2007, 05:51 PM
I am pleased thus far......GO FLYERS!!!



The canes are playing pretty good the flyers will have their hands full tonight.

Bronx33
10-20-2007, 05:59 PM
Fun fact

Goal differentials

RK Team GP GF EN GA EN Gdif/G
1 PHI 6 25 1 10 1 2.500
2 STL 5 18 1 9 0 1.600
3 MIN 6 14 0 7 0 1.167
4 CAR 7 24 2 14 0 1.143
5 OTT 8 26 1 17 1 1.125
6 BUF 6 24 0 19 1 1.000
7 CBJ 6 15 1 10 0 0.667
8 DET 8 26 1 21 1 0.625
9 BOS 6 19 1 15 0 0.500
10 CGY 7 25 0 24 0 0.143
11 COL 7 23 0 23 1 0.143

Bronx33
10-20-2007, 06:11 PM
Link (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/20/sports/hockey/20flyers.html?_r=2&ref=hockey&oref=kuklaskorner&oref=slogin)

For so much of last season, and pieces of the new one, the Philadelphia Flyers managed to make news in all the wrong ways.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/10/20/sports/20flyers.1901.jpg
Philadelphia's Jesse Boulerice, left, was suspended for 25 games in October.
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Sports Business: Devils Win the Race to Be First (October 20, 2007)

Their only superlatives from last season arose from its being the sorriest in franchise history, a 22-48-12 record that was every bit as bad as it sounds. Early this season, two of their players threw ugly hits that prompted the suspension-shy N.H.L. to hand down 45 games’ worth of punishment.

But lurking beneath the bad and the ugly, the Flyers have also built a team that might be awfully good. From the rubble of last season, the Flyers have constructed a suddenly scary offense and a team, with a few exceptions, that is less reliant on the thuggery that brings flashbacks to the days of the notorious Broad Street Bullies of the 1970s.

“We like the direction we’re going,” Flyers Coach John Stevens said this week. “Our fans are excited. The crowds at home have been just terrific and people are saying we’re an exciting team to watch, and that means a lot. But if we are going to fly under the radar a little, that’s O.K., too.”

So far, the all-new Flyers have sprinted to a 5-1 start with consecutive 4-0 victories against Atlanta and the Devils. They have scored at a surprising clip — they chased the All-Star goalie Roberto Luongo in the first period while scoring eight goals against Vancouver — and have allowed only 10 in 6 games. This was a team that gave up 303 goals last season, a mind-boggling 106 more than the league’s top defensive team.

But what most people know about the Flyers is that the minor leaguer Steve Downie sent Ottawa forward Dean McAmmond to the hospital with a vicious check to the head in a preseason game, and that the journeyman Jesse Boulerice chopped Vancouver’s Ryan Kesler in the face with his stick earlier this month. Downie was suspended for 20 games and Boulerice for 25. Both remain with the franchise, assigned to the American Hockey League’s Philadelphia Phantoms, while under suspension.

“Things happen,” Flyers center Daniel Bričre said. “I hear a lot of comments that people blame the coaching staff or John Stevens for not controlling his players, but you look at the two incidents, it’s not like John sent them out there to do that. It’s sad that it’s taken over the success of the team, but things like that happen and you’ve got to deal with it.”

Bričre is perhaps the best measuring stick of the Flyers. He was one of the N.H.L.’s most attractive free agents this summer, a 30-year-old, slick-skating center who helped make the Buffalo Sabres one of the league’s most dangerous teams over the last two seasons. The Flyers wooed him with an eight-year, $52 million contract, but Bričre said that would not have been enough had the Flyers not already started their rebuilding.

They had begun at the trading deadline, sending the high-priced and often-injured Peter Forsberg to Nashville for forward Scottie Upshall, the 19-year-old defenseman Ryan Parent and two draft picks.

They snatched goalie Martin Biron from Buffalo for a second-round draft pick. They shopped at Nashville’s fire sale again at the draft, grabbing defenseman Kimmo Timonen and forward Scott Hartnell for a first-round draft pick. Then, as they were wooing Bričre, they traded for defenseman Jason Smith and forward Joffrey Lupul for the underachieving defenseman Joni Pitkanen, forward Geoff Sanderson and a draft pick.

The Flyers still had the elite scorer Simon Gagné, who scored 47 goals in 2005-6, and the promising young forwards Jeff Carter, Mike Richards and R. J. Umberger.

And perhaps most tellingly, Biron decided to forgo being an unrestricted free agent and signed a two-year, $7 million contract before last season ended.

“You can’t just look at the surface,” Bričre said. “You have to look a little deeper. Looking all the way back to the beginning of last season, more than half of the team was new faces. There is too much talent in this room not to make this turnaround. You never know for sure. But for me, I thought there was a lot of upside.”

Bričre has been centering Gagné and Mike Knuble, two of the few holdovers, and already has four goals and four assists.

“For the guys who are remaining, this is fun,” Knuble said. “All of us who lived through last year, on a team that was the worst in a proud franchise’s history, it was tough to take.

“Granted, we have 77 more games, so you can’t plan the parade yet, but the start is everything. You build your momentum, whether it’s positive or negative. Last year it was negative and it carried throughout the year. This year, teams realize we’re back.”

And although they may welcome Downie and Boulerice back to their lineup when the suspensions are over, the Flyers have not been shy about decrying what they did to earn them. They believe the lesson has been learned though the suspensions, even though Boulerice was once suspended from junior hockey for a season for a stick attack. Boulerice, who clobbered Kesler late in a game the Flyers were winning handily, apologized after the game.

“It has taken a lot of attention away from our team, but rightfully so,” Stevens said. “Those are incidents we have to remove from our game. The one in preseason with young Downie, it’s a situation where you never want to see a player get hurt. We’ve got to do our part to try to eliminate that. The other one with Jessie, that just has no part in the game.”

The Flyers still have forward Ben Eager, who led the league in penalty minutes (233) and misconducts (5) last season.

But the face of this team has suddenly become the fresh face of Bričre, who is 5 feet 10 inches and 179 pounds and looks closer to 18 than he does to 30.

“I believe we have a good combination right now,” Bričre said. “I think our team is built more around skill and speed than it is around toughness and tough guys. We are not the old-time Broad Street Bullies.”

chadta
10-20-2007, 07:52 PM
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/20071020_Flyers_on_a_mission_to_be_the_real_deal.h tml

Flyers on a mission to be the 'real deal'

By Tim Panaccio

Inquirer Staff Writer
The Flyers are off to a great start at 5-1, but the question remains: Are they for real?

"We're all trying to figure out where we stand," Danny Briere said. "Obviously, we believe in ourselves. We think we can be the real deal right off the bat. At the same time, we have a long way to go. We're only six games into the season. We want to prove to people it's not a hot streak and we're a team that deserves to be there."

Given last season's carnage and the complete remake of the team since February, it's a fair question when trying to assess coach John Stevens' club.

The correct answer might be wait and see what happens tonight against Carolina and next week at Tampa Bay.

Carolina had a recent three-game sweep through Canada in which the Hurricanes outscored their opponents, 15-5, and former Flyer Justin Williams registered six points. Goalie Cam Ward allowed five goals in three games.

Then Carolina had a five-day break before meeting Pittsburgh last night, losing, 4-3, in a shoot-out, while the Flyers have been revving it up.

"They're playing well, they have a lot of confidence right now," Stevens said. "It's another challenge for us to see where we're at. . . . I don't know if it's the first test because we've been tested already."

Yes, the club was tested with a tough road trip to Western Canada to start the season. But Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver aren't the rejuvenated Hurricanes.

What makes Carolina a fair measuring stick as to how far the Flyers have come, and how far they still have to go, is the way the Canes are getting contributions from their forwards and defense while Ward is playing nearly as well as the Flyers' Martin Biron in goal.

"Carolina is one of the best teams in the East and their start shows it," Simon Gagne said. "Last year was a tough season coming off winning the Stanley Cup. They are still one of the most dangerous teams in the league. It's going to be a big test for us."

The Flyers likely will be facing tests for weeks on end, trying to prove they are a lot better than anyone thought and that this is not just a freak, fast start. Looking at the whole picture, the Flyers seem like the real deal.

Their goal differential is a league-high plus-15 and that tells you how defensively committed this team has been. Defense still wins in the NHL.

Briere said the Flyers have room for improvement in several areas, not the least of which is his line with Gagne and Mike Knuble, which is minus-2.

"Our line, personally, can do a little bit more," he said. "Another good thing has been the play of [Jeff] Carter's and [Mike] Richards' line and Jimmy Dowd's line. Big goals, key goals. That's another big plus to help us.

"There are still some breakdowns here and there with our line. There is still some chemistry that needs to be worked on."

Specifically, Briere said his line needed to instinctively know where each member is in the offensive zone. For instance, when Briere goes behind the net, he needs to know for certain where Gagne and Knuble are on the ice. He doesn't want to have to find them but to know instantly where they should be.

"There's been games where [the chemistry] has been really good, and the last couple of games not so good," Briere said. "But other guys stepped up and picked up what needed to be done, which is what good teams do."

The Briere line has not scored a goal on home ice.

So, how good are these Flyers?

"It's fun to be 5-1," Briere said. "We should be happy and proud of it, but we should realize there is a lot of time left here."

Loose pucks. Ben Eager (dizziness/vision problems) skated hard before practice with Scottie Upshall (broken left wrist) and then participated in the full Flyers practice. Eager said that he felt "pretty good," and that the vision in his left eye had cleared. He could play tonight . . . Upshall's hard cast is off. He is still two to three weeks away from playing, Stevens said . . . About 500 tickets remain for tonight's game ... Biron's goals-against average is third best in the league at 1.50. His save percentage of .951 is second only to Boston's Tim Thomas (.962).

chadta
10-22-2007, 05:47 PM
one of my favoriet goalies (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8_wrJpRDaU)

Hogan11
10-23-2007, 01:30 AM
The canes are playing pretty good the flyers will have their hands full tonight.

They did...and they still prevailed. GO FLYERS!!!!

24champ
10-27-2007, 06:08 PM
Flyers are dirtbags...

Patrice Bergeron is currently being taken off the ice on a back-board and stretcher as the result of a hit to the head from behind by Flyers defenseman Randy Jones that drove him into the end boards. Bergeron was definately out cold as he laid motionless on the ice for some time...

Jones has been issued a 5-min boarding and Game Misconduct for the hit...

Bad stuff...

Bronx33
10-27-2007, 08:07 PM
It's already hit the web...

LInk
(http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/hockey/nhl/10/27/bc.hkn.bruins.bergeron.ap/?eref=mostpop)

Clip
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xAEetam6HQ)

BOSTON (AP) -- Bruins center Patrice Bergeron was taken from the ice on a stretcher Saturday against Philadelphia after losing consciousness when he was hit from behind by Flyers defenseman Randy Jones.

Bergeron was taken to Massachusetts General Hospital, where he was being treated by Bruins team physician Dr. Bertram Zarins.

Medical personnel cut away Bergeron's jersey and shoulder pads as they worked on him, placing his neck in a brace. They placed him on a board and then onto a stretcher, his legs taped together and his arms folded across his chest. There was little sign of movement. The game was delayed some 15 minutes with 3:53 left in the first period.

Jones drew a 5-minute major for boarding and a game misconduct.

Bergeron and Jones were chasing a loose puck when Bergeron took the hit in the back and hit the glass face-first. He went down on the ice on his back and lay virtually motionless as Jones continued pursuing the puck. As the whistle blew, Boston's Chuck Kobasew went after Jones, drawing a roughing penalty.

"Words really can't express the way that I feel right now. I am very apologetic for the hit and what I did," Jones said in a statement released by the team. "It was not intentional. It is something that I have never done before and it is not part of my character. I am extremely sorry.

"I hope he does OK and everything works out for him. I wish him nothing but the best in his recovery."

Jones' hit is the latest incident involving the Flyers this season.

Steve Downie was suspended 20 games after a hit to Ottawa forward Dean McAmmond's head in an exhibition game. Then on Oct. 10 in Vancouver, Jesse Boulerice cross-checked Ryan Kesler in the mouth, resulting in a 25-game suspension.

chadta
10-28-2007, 09:27 AM
and bergeron has a concussion and a broken nose.

you dont wanna get hit like that, dont skate into the boards like that, if he lays up and dosent hit him bergeron skates around him for a wrap around attempt. Im not happy he got hurt but its just as much his fault as it is jones, hell jones finally got his first 5 minute penalty.

24champ
10-28-2007, 03:12 PM
and bergeron has a concussion and a broken nose.

you dont wanna get hit like that, dont skate into the boards like that, if he lays up and dosent hit him bergeron skates around him for a wrap around attempt. Im not happy he got hurt but its just as much his fault as it is jones, hell jones finally got his first 5 minute penalty.

Of course your gonna say it's Bergeron fault rather than Jones fault. Jones got beat to the puck and you know it's a bad hit no matter how you try to explain it away Chadta. It's from behind with the elbow up on the head and little to no effort by Jones to pull up and just go for a pin against the boards as we see in almost every NHL game on a nightly basis...he'll get a lengthy suspension from the league office and hopefully the Flyers get a draft pick taken away.

Bronx33
10-28-2007, 03:21 PM
Of course your gonna say it's Bergeron fault rather than Jones fault. Jones got beat to the puck and you know it's a bad hit no matter how you try to explain it away Chadta. It's from behind with the elbow up on the head and little to no effort by Jones to pull up and just go for a pin against the boards as we see in almost every NHL game on a nightly basis...he'll get a lengthy suspension from the league office and hopefully the Flyers get a draft pick taken away.


Bergerons numbers were showing the whole time so any retorts saying it's Bergerons fault are a lost cause.

chadta
10-28-2007, 05:32 PM
as i said, if he lays up, bergeron turns and has a clear shot at the net, should he have hit him NO am i happy he did NO, is he a dirty player NO, he made a mistake, and it wasnt as bad as many other ones, but oh no its the big bad flyers. Somethings gotta be done.

BUT dont put yourself in that position, use your head, no he didnt turn at the last second but who in there right mind skates from that far away straight at the boards without turning, if he turns he dosent get hit, hes just as guilty as jones is. He kinda deserved it for being so stupid.

this is still hockey, it is still a contact sport.

chadta
10-28-2007, 05:38 PM
AWWwwwww you made a video champ, how pathetic (http://youtube.com/watch?v=-iOvndf_GqI)

but i guess bergeron likes being the giver bettter then the taker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVexsGtMJI0

24champ
10-28-2007, 06:51 PM
as i said, if he lays up, bergeron turns and has a clear shot at the net, should he have hit him NO am i happy he did NO, is he a dirty player NO, he made a mistake, and it wasnt as bad as many other ones, but oh no its the big bad flyers. Somethings gotta be done.

BUT dont put yourself in that position, use your head, no he didnt turn at the last second but who in there right mind skates from that far away straight at the boards without turning, if he turns he dosent get hit, hes just as guilty as jones is. He kinda deserved it for being so stupid.

this is still hockey, it is still a contact sport.

Like I said, you can't justify a bad hit. He'll get suspended for awhile.

Bronx33
10-28-2007, 07:29 PM
wow! i guess you listened to don cherry run his mouth last night.

24champ
10-28-2007, 08:13 PM
wow! i guess you listened to don cherry run his mouth last night.

That's just part of Cherry's shtick and if Chadta was listening to Cherry he would be calling us all homos for disagreeing with him.Ha!

chadta
10-28-2007, 08:27 PM
naw cant say i was, why did he have something good to say ?

by the way you guys say that im gonna guess he agrees with me, that it wasnt that bad.

I mean come on guys, if this wasnt another flyer player being bad it wouldnt even be mentioned.

This year the flyers are winning games and kickin ass, sometimes good (downie hit) sometimes dirty (boulerice cross check) and sometimes it just happens (jones push)

Its nice to be hated and feared once again, i guess the teams slogan is true

Back with a vengeance. :thumbs:

Bronx33
10-28-2007, 08:47 PM
They teach that stuff in the peewees..

Smiling Assassin27
10-29-2007, 12:05 PM
and bergeron has a concussion and a broken nose.

you dont wanna get hit like that, dont skate into the boards like that, if he lays up and dosent hit him bergeron skates around him for a wrap around attempt. Im not happy he got hurt but its just as much his fault as it is jones, hell jones finally got his first 5 minute penalty.



read the friggin rule on boarding and then take this statement back.

The onus is on the player applying the check. Bergeron had to play the puck (which is why he was on the boards), he moved the puck on, and Jones recklessly used bad judgment and took the kill shot. The forearm is what makes that hit over the line.

Smiling Assassin27
10-29-2007, 12:07 PM
They teach that stuff in the peewees..

There will be retribution, in my opinion. Playing physical is one thing, but lacking respect for other players with cheap hits is gonna come back to haunt them.

chadta
10-29-2007, 02:12 PM
Bergeron had to play the puck (which is why he was on the boards), he moved the puck on,

and if bergeron takes one more step forward he is against the boards and jones pins him like is done 100 times each game, to stop with your back turned with somebody 1 foot behind you is just stupid.

it happens, and as i said if its any team other then the big bad flyers or if bergeron gets up nothing is said.

This is great tho, all other arguments about head shots i couldnt pull up past because this year they said they were gonna try to make it stop, so ok downie got a suspension that he didnt deserve, boulerice did deserve what he got. But now as smiling assassin pointed out this rule has been on the books for a while, this isnt new, so lets look at a few recent hits and suspensions, and see how they compare to jones.

no suspension (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x25bdd-MI7A)
no suspension (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xtft3L6FvmY)
joke but still no suspension (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l79dgFagRTw)
1 game suspension (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzC05QuAkZ4)
I love the way mara reacts, but once again no suspension (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2ZsNOi6-FQ)

so please tell me why jones should get anything ?

chadta
10-29-2007, 06:20 PM
Jones gets 2 games (http://flyers.nhl.com/team/app?articleid=341549&page=NewsPage&service=page)

well jones got more then i thought he should, its nice to see that even colin cambell can tell the difference between **** happens and intent.

"There have been suggestions by some that this hit was comparable to incidents earlier this season where players received significant game suspensions for blows to the head. These comparisons and suggestions are wrong,"

Bronx33
10-29-2007, 06:25 PM
and if bergeron takes one more step forward he is against the boards and jones pins him like is done 100 times each game, to stop with your back turned with somebody 1 foot behind you is just stupid.

it happens, and as i said if its any team other then the big bad flyers or if bergeron gets up nothing is said.

This is great tho, all other arguments about head shots i couldnt pull up past because this year they said they were gonna try to make it stop, so ok downie got a suspension that he didnt deserve, boulerice did deserve what he got. But now as smiling assassin pointed out this rule has been on the books for a while, this isnt new, so lets look at a few recent hits and suspensions, and see how they compare to jones.

no suspension (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x25bdd-MI7A)
no suspension (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xtft3L6FvmY)
joke but still no suspension (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l79dgFagRTw)
1 game suspension (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzC05QuAkZ4)
I love the way mara reacts, but once again no suspension (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2ZsNOi6-FQ)

so please tell me why jones should get anything ?


Without looking at every clip you posted (are they from this year)?

Bronx33
10-29-2007, 06:29 PM
Jones gets 2 games (http://flyers.nhl.com/team/app?articleid=341549&page=NewsPage&service=page)

well jones got more then i thought he should, its nice to see that even colin cambell can tell the difference between **** happens and intent.

"There have been suggestions by some that this hit was comparable to incidents earlier this season where players received significant game suspensions for blows to the head. These comparisons and suggestions are wrong,"


2 games is fair jones learned a lesson and the message is loud and clear throughout the league.

chadta
10-29-2007, 06:40 PM
Without looking at every clip you posted (are they from this year)?


that dosent matter, this boarding rule isnt a new rule, there is no crack down on boarding, its always been on the books.


2 games is fair jones learned a lesson and the message is loud and clear throughout the league.

ok i take back what i said earlier, 2 games is a total rip, october 29th 2007 no suspension (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhtMzqYoqcg)

oh wait he was wearing red and black not orange and black

lets see if ive got this right

Downie hunts down someone and drills him: 20 games
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=322zqTkL0-c
Tootoo hunts down someone and drills him: 0 games
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ym7Ii7lWY4

Jones hits someone into the wall head first: 2 games
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMbDKGBkE_M
Volchenkov hits someone into the wall head first: 0 games
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhtMzqYoqcg

Way to stick to that standard, Campbell! Thank goodness we have you to keep discipline in this league.

Bronx33
10-29-2007, 06:52 PM
that dosent matter, this boarding rule isnt a new rule, there is no crack down on boarding, its always been on the books.




ok i take back what i said earlier, 2 games is a total rip, october 29th 2007 no suspension (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhtMzqYoqcg)

oh wait he was wearing red and black not orange and black

lets see if ive got this right

Downie hunts down someone and drills him: 20 games
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=322zqTkL0-c
Tootoo hunts down someone and drills him: 0 games
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ym7Ii7lWY4

Jones hits someone into the wall head first: 2 games
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMbDKGBkE_M
Volchenkov hits someone into the wall head first: 0 games
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhtMzqYoqcg

Way to stick to that standard, Campbell! Thank goodness we have you to keep discipline in this league.


The only difference is the new (push) THIS YEAR by the NHL last years clips don't mean squat, i understand what you are saying but the only difference between this year and last is the league is cracking down on it now. And it appears hes doing just that.

chadta
10-29-2007, 09:07 PM
all the videos in that post are from this year, the volchenkov hit is from october 20th, come on.

the tootoo thing was 8 days after downie, and the volchenkov thing was 8 days before, but alas, they wernt wearing flyers jerseys so they didnt get suspended. its horse****.

Bronx33
10-31-2007, 04:51 PM
And the good news just keeps on comin...


VOORHEES, N.J. (AP) -Flyers defenseman Derian Hatcher will undergo surgery to repair cartilage damage in his right knee and will miss two to four weeks.

The 35-year-old Hatcher, who had his streak of 107 consecutive games recently snapped because the knee was bothering him, said he aggravated the injury lifting weights.

"I've had problems with it the past 10 years probably," Hatcher said after the Flyers practiced on Wednesday. "It's probably closer to four weeks (recovery) because it's had trauma before. The tough thing about getting injured is it sets you back. Instead of being where you're at, you're almost starting over."

The Flyers called up Nate Guenin from their American Hockey League affiliate Philadelphia Phantoms to fill Hatchers roster spot. Guenin played nine games with the Flyers last year.

Bronx33
11-03-2007, 04:25 PM
PHILADELPHIA (AP) -Simon Gagne was cleared for full activity Saturday, 10 days after the Philadelphia Flyers forward was knocked out of a game and sidelined with vision problems and dizziness.

Flyers general manager Paul Holmgren said Gagne passed his baseline tests and was expected to practice with the team on Sunday. If all goes well, he is expected to play Monday against the New York Rangers.

Gagne hasn't played since he was knocked out of a game against Florida on Oct. 24, when his jaw crashed into the shoulder of Florida defenseman Jay Bouwmeester on a high check. Gagne tried to play a few shifts, but left the game after he experienced dizziness.

He skated alone for about 30 minutes on Tuesday and said he felt better, but not quite ready to play.

24champ
11-08-2007, 02:05 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8_wrJpRDaU

This was posted on a kings board, as you guys probably know Hextall is the Kings assistant GM and the GM of the Kings AHL affiliate in Manchester. But man this guy was an intimidating goalie...

chadta
11-08-2007, 09:57 AM
thanks champ, that was posted on the flyers board as well, and yes i knew he was involved with the kings.

in other news LeClair faces DUI charges (http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=10882)

WCAX TV in Vermont is reporting that former Montreal Candiens, Philadelphia Flyers and Pittsburgh Penguins forward John LeClair is facing DUI charges in his home state, following an incident that occurred in the early morning hours of Oct. 24.

The WCAX report notes that this is LeClair's second drinking and driving incident. Back in 1990, the then-21-year-old former University of Vermont standout pled no contest after DUI charges were reduced to careless and negligent driving. LeClair, 38, is scheduled to appear in court next Tuesday in Milton, VT.

Ironically, this week also marks 22 years since Flyers goaltending star Pelle Lindbergh died in a drinking-and-driving accident.

Bronx33
11-08-2007, 08:59 PM
A little late but....

Philadelphia Flyers forward Sami Kapanen is day-to-day with a mild knee sprain and will miss Thursday’s game against the New Jersey Devils.

To take Kapanen’s spot on the roster, Philadelphia recalled forward Stefan Ruzicka from the Phantoms of the American Hockey League.

chadta
11-09-2007, 09:15 PM
gagne is apparently out as well, the concussion thing is buggin him again, what is it with flyers and concussions. At least our road trip is over.

chadta
11-10-2007, 10:45 PM
another victory over the pens, to remain unbeaten at home :wiggle:

chadta
11-11-2007, 12:10 PM
Get ready to get raped eight times again.


hows that workin out for ya so far big mouth ?

phillybroncosnut
11-11-2007, 02:18 PM
Took my son to his first Flyers game last night. We went in right as the doors opened and went down behind the Flyers bench to watch them warm up. Jimmy Dowd gave Nicky a puck, Danny Briere gave him a high five, Jeff Carter gave him a puck. As if the little guys wasn't smiling from ear to ear, just as all the players were leaving the ice, Scotty Hartnell ripped all the tape off his blade and gave Nicky his stick! What a freaking experience. Hockey players are a different breed. They get it.

Anyway, outstanding game by the Flyers. They controlled the entire game, save for about 3 minutes towards the end of the second period. Crosby is unreal but he might be the biggest crybaby flopper I've ever watched. He is Matthew Barnaby with unbeleivable skill.

Biron is a flatout stud and Mike Richards might be the league MVP right now. Forget about 9 goals and 10 assists so far. He flat out shuts down the opposing teams top line night in and night out. Crybaby Crosby had no room. Richards shadowed him.

This team is pretty good right now. They aren't great. That said, they are EXTREMELY young and need some more time to gel. The sky is the limit for this team. What a core of young talent we have here.

GO FLYERS!

chadta
11-12-2007, 10:47 PM
thats awesome pbn, glad he had a good time, i think i may try an make it down again in spring time for a game, an maybe go out to the skate zone with my boy an watch a practice.

On a side note, still unbeaten at home after a 3-2 victory over the islanders, richards does it again shorty to win the game.

Al Wilson
11-13-2007, 02:10 AM
Wow, your kid must be the happiest little guy in the world, PBN.

Anyways, just dropping by and wanted to say that I love the young team that you guys have. You will be a load to handle, and Mike Richards is a great player. I watched him play junior hockey for the Kitchener Rangers, and he's a great all around player.

Good luck this season.

By the way, Alfie and the Sens will squash you :strong:

phillybroncosnut
11-24-2007, 11:32 PM
Wow, your kid must be the happiest little guy in the world, PBN.

Anyways, just dropping by and wanted to say that I love the young team that you guys have. You will be a load to handle, and Mike Richards is a great player. I watched him play junior hockey for the Kitchener Rangers, and he's a great all around player.

Good luck this season.

By the way, Alfie and the Sens will squash you :strong:

Yeah, my boy was happy as sh!t.

Richards has been unreal so far.

What happened tonight? Gerber looked poor tonight.

phillybroncosnut
11-24-2007, 11:35 PM
Great win for the Flyer tonight over the Sens. Especially after that forgettable performance against the lowly Caps on Friday. I'm not sure what's up with the Flyers. They are alot like the Broncos. They play down to the weak (losing in OT to Washington) and play like world beaters the next day (beating the Sens in Ottawa).

I guess it comes with how young they are. Missing Gagne and Hatcher hasn't helped either. Richards and Briere are lights out right now. I'm calling it now, the Flyers will definately make the playoffs this season.

chadta
11-25-2007, 09:11 AM
hey pbn do you tailgate at hockey games ? i may be coming down to philly for the december 27th game vs the leafs, i wanna make sure im there when the doors open, so what time is that ?

n yeah heck of a game last night, nice to see the sens coming back to earth.

phillybroncosnut
11-25-2007, 01:41 PM
hey pbn do you tailgate at hockey games ? i may be coming down to philly for the december 27th game vs the leafs, i wanna make sure im there when the doors open, so what time is that ?

n yeah heck of a game last night, nice to see the sens coming back to earth.

It depends on who I go with. When I am with my son, we just go right in. He loves to get right behind the Flyers bench for warm-ups that way he can say hi to all the players and get pucks!
If I go with buddies, we sit outside and have a few cold one's until about 10 minutes before they drop they puck.

They open the doors 1 hour before gametime. Rush over to the flyers bench area and you will most likely be able to get down there. Bring a camera bro. The players stretch along the boards in front of the bench. They are literally 2 feet away. I would say that a handful of players will acknowledge you if you call their name. They will look right at you. Jimmy Dowd, Riley Cote, Mike Knuble, Scott Hartnell, Scottie Upshall seem to be the ones who interact the most. You may be able to get a stick, glove or puck if you ask.

So.... there is a lot of speculation about Jeff Carter getting traded. Of course the front office denies it but it makes sense. The Flyers have about 7 UFA coming up and there is no way they can keep them all. Umberger, Richards, Jason Smith and Carter are among the 7. Carter and Richards are gonna look to get the big payday. Richards is a must keep, Umberger won't demand a fraction of what Carter and Richards will cost. It's gonna suck to see Carter go but I think it's only a matter of time. Salary Cap Hockey blows. The Flyers were always willing to spend to win. Now, they have to make tough decision's on who to keep or more importantly, what young stud has to go.

chadta
11-26-2007, 10:44 PM
let the crying begin (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=223738&hubname=)

flyers at it again, another questionable hit, made by a flyer, gotta be 20 games right, on the bright side, downies suspension is done i do believe.

chadta
11-26-2007, 10:48 PM
riddle me this, how is what parker did different then what boulerice did (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30JFIVKuJ7Q&eurl=http://hockeyfights.com/fights/38482) so hell get 25 games right ?

chadta
11-27-2007, 05:06 PM
Reaction to Hartnell SuspensionToday @ 12:58 PM ET | Comments (193)
Flyers GM Paul Holmgren was not happy. Neither was Scott Hartnell. I thought the punishment was deserved.

I think the Flyers are fortunate the league is not assessing them a team fine for multiple infractions involving head shots. There are some coaches and GMs right now who think the Flyers are out of control.

Holmgren:

“I asked Colin what was behind his thought process and he just felt Scott could have stopped,” Holmgren said. “He tried to stop. The video clearly shows snow from both feet. His momentum more than anything carried him into the player in a vulnerable position.

“What do you want player like that to do? You gotta make a decision in a very quick amount of time. Hopefully, a situation like that doesn’t arise again. We want our players to play hard and finish their checks, but we want them to be more careful in situations like that.”

Hartnell was not available. He is on the plane to Carolina for tomorrow's game. But here is what he had to say after the morning practice, anticipating his conference call with Colin Campbell:

“Even if I do get suspended, I am still going to finish my checks,” he told me. “If you watch the last few games, I go for the forecheck and the D has their back to me and I don’t finish my check that hard.

"You can rub them out and bury the guy from behind and it would probably be a legal check, but I am not that dirty of a player.”

I wonder how this affects the Flyers from here on in terms of hitting. Already, we have seen Randy Jones backing off a bit on board hits.

“You can’t worry about repercussions finishing your check,” Hartnell said. “I guess I could have skated away and not finish my check but that’s part of my game. Everyone in here finishes their check.”

I asked Jason Smith about these same issues: how do you play the Flyers style now and not wonder whether the hit is going to end up as a suspension. And I believe Hartnell's hit certainly deserved one.

“You have to continue to play,” Smith said. “If you play with hesitancy or fear, things don’t happen. We need to compete at the highest level we can and work at the hardest level we can.

“You have to realize that incidents happen and you want to limit the amount we’re a part of. If you go out and play hard, hopefully, we won’t get involved in any more of those. It’s something our team has to deal with.”

Bronx33
11-27-2007, 06:59 PM
let the crying begin (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=223738&hubname=)

flyers at it again, another questionable hit, made by a flyer, gotta be 20 games right, on the bright side, downies suspension is done i do believe.


Crying? hartnell is a veteran that should know better he deserves everything he gets on this one (just flat stupid)

chadta
11-27-2007, 09:10 PM
Crying? hartnell is a veteran that should know better he deserves everything he gets on this one (just flat stupid)

oh, ok downies a rookie, hartnells a veteran, just whos allowed to make a hit in this new pussified nhl ?

i cant wait till next year when they replace the uniforms with skirts

Bronx33
11-27-2007, 09:13 PM
Hold on let me get some popcorn it's going to rich watching you craft an excuse for this one.

The hit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIg8_Ls6oSU)

Alberts was on his knees not even a threat.

chadta
11-27-2007, 11:56 PM
oh come on, so thats the new plan is it, drop to your knees so you dont get hit, gimmie a break, hartnell pulled up, see the snow flying off his skates, thats cuz he was stopping, if he wanted to kill him he coulda, once again this hit happens all the time, but because the guy lays on the ice for a bit its a suspension which is wrong, if albert gets up nothing more is said of this.

Hogan11
11-28-2007, 07:03 AM
Fugg em all......GO FLYERS!!!!

chadta
11-28-2007, 04:45 PM
Fugg em all......GO FLYERS!!!!


^5

Bronx33
11-28-2007, 06:46 PM
oh come on, so thats the new plan is it, drop to your knees so you dont get hit, gimmie a break, hartnell pulled up, see the snow flying off his skates, thats cuz he was stopping, if he wanted to kill him he coulda, once again this hit happens all the time, but because the guy lays on the ice for a bit its a suspension which is wrong, if albert gets up nothing more is said of this.


Did you even notice why alberts went down? he dropped to keep a puck from getting past him since hartnall was bearing down on him (smart player) doing his job. Hartnall watched him do this and still smoked him in a vunerable postion (not smart) very nice of him to not kill him and only knock him out for a few seconds, iam very sorry you don't understand what a good hit is vs a lame cheap one from somebody that knew better. And just so you know hartnell would have been in the box with this hit anyways if alberts got right back up (it was to the head) anybody throwiing that hit would have been penalized.


Ps: In this situation you don't finish the check. Period.

phillybroncosnut
11-28-2007, 09:28 PM
And just so you know hartnell would have been in the box with this hit anyways if alberts got right back up (it was to the head) anybody throwiing that hit would have been penalized.





Wow, I was hoping a non Flyer fan would say something like that. I was at the game Monday and need a non Flyer fan to explain to me what the ref was thinking. Explain to me then, why did the Ref not throw his arm up signaling a penalty until 5 to 6 seconds after the hit? Explain to me when Koharski (the ref) had to look back and notice the player was hurt BEFORE he signaled for a penalty. Wanna know why.... Because it was not a penalty. For further proof that it wasn't a penalty, the Ref gave Hartnell a 5 minute major for..... you ready to laugh??? BOARDING!
Boarding? That wasn't boarding. The player was not facing the glass. In fact, it was'nt anything at all. The only thing Hartnell might be guilty of is hitting a defensless player. However, there is....
A) No such penalty
B) There is a chance the guy gets right up and jumps into the offensive rush. Hartnell did what any player does. Hit the guy after the pass. Problem for the Bruins player was, he didn't get up. Unfortunately for the Bruins player, his head was level with the dasher. When Hartnell cleanly made the check, the Bruins players head hit the dasher causing the damage.

I'm tired of trying to explain this chit. Why am I tired? Because I love the Flyers re-introducing the Broad Street Bullies to the NHL. Suspensions? I don't want to see opposing players get seriously injured but I want the other team to feel a tremendous amount of pain after playing us. If a heavy hit is deemed a "cheap shot" by the skirts around the NHL, eff 'em. Eff suspensions. Who cares. Keep suspending our players. Doesn't matter to me. It will just help spread the word that the Bullies are back. You might beat use on the score board, but you will pay with your health. I LOVE IT!

Ph uck Colin Campbell, Ph uck Gary Bettman, and Ph uck all you non Flyer fan pansies!

Bronx33
11-28-2007, 09:44 PM
Wow, I was hoping a non Flyer fan would say something like that. I was at the game Monday and need a non Flyer fan to explain to me what the ref was thinking. Explain to me then, why did the Ref not throw his arm up signaling a penalty until 5 to 6 seconds after the hit? Explain to me when Koharski (the ref) had to look back and notice the player was hurt BEFORE he signaled for a penalty. Wanna know why.... Because it was not a penalty. For further proof that it wasn't a penalty, the Ref gave Hartnell a 5 minute major for..... you ready to laugh??? BOARDING!
Boarding? That wasn't boarding. The player was not facing the glass. In fact, it was'nt anything at all. The only thing Hartnell might be guilty of is hitting a defensless player. However, there is....
A) No such penalty
B) There is a chance the guy gets right up and jumps into the offensive rush. Hartnell did what any player does. Hit the guy after the pass. Problem for the Bruins player was, he didn't get up. Unfortunately for the Bruins player, his head was level with the dasher. When Hartnell cleanly made the check, the Bruins players head hit the dasher causing the damage.

I'm tired of trying to explain this chit. Why am I tired? Because I love the Flyers re-introducing the Broad Street Bullies to the NHL. Suspensions? Eff suspensions. Who cares. Keep suspending our players. Doesn't matter to me. It will just help spread the word that the Bullies are back. You might beat use on the score board, but you will pay with your health. I LOVE IT!

Ph uck Colin Campbell, Ph uck Gary Bettman, and Ph uck all you non Flyer fan pansies!


Who the **** knows! how can i give you the answer (i wasn't there) we will have too take your word for it (without video proof) but facts are facts dude (it wasn't a legal hit) end of story so it really doesn't matter when the ref raised his hand. Iam really sorry your team is on an extended streak of being extremely stupid i would be pissed too if my team was doing this shyt but hey iam just a hockey fan what the **** do i know.

As for the statement i put in bold (my questions) were all directed at chada not you whom doesn't have two clues to rub together even you told him to shut his piehole.

phillybroncosnut
11-28-2007, 10:02 PM
Who the **** knows! how can i give you the answer (i wasn't there) we will have too take your word for it (without video proof) but facts are facts dude (it wasn't a legal hit) end of story so it really doesn't matter when the ref raised his hand. Iam really sorry your team is on an extended streak of being extremely stupid i would be pissed too if my team was doing this shyt but hey iam just a hockey fan what the **** do i know.

As for the statement i put in bold (my questions) were all directed at chada not you whom doesn't have two clues to rub together even you told him to shut his piehole.


Well, in my opinion if a ref has to see the result to decide whether it's a penalty or not, it's probably not a penalty.
Anyway, no need to sound so bitter bro. I was just asking YOU a few questions. And, like I said in the previous post, I am so not pissed. I love it.

My entire post really wasn't directed at you totally. Just the first couple questions. After that, it was merely my opinion on the matter for all to read.

Don't get saucey Bronx. It's just hockey bro.

Just like all of use like to see a devestatingly punnishing Defense from our Broncos, I love the same with my Flyers. We would love to see our D hit like this on the Football field. If there are a few helmet to helmet hits, we would live with them. That's all I am doing with my Flyboys!

Bronx33
11-28-2007, 10:37 PM
saucey? lol i guess we don't see eye to eye on this subject (iam droppin it) i consider you guys my friends no sense f***** that up for nothing.

phillybroncosnut
11-28-2007, 10:56 PM
saucey? lol i guess we don't see eye to eye on this subject (iam droppin it) i consider you guys my friends no sense ****** that up for nothing.

Discuss bro. I aint gonna get mad. You do have another opinion and that's cool with me. The only comparison I can use is the Broncs. Tell me you don't love seeing Lynch, or Atwater or DS49 absolutely crushing someone. Well, alot of those times, the League and the opposing fans viewed them as dirty hits.
Remember the battles we had with Dulphin fan after Chris Chambers got his head taken off by our saftey? I can't remember who the S was. Eric Brown maybe, or Kenoy kennedy. It was before Lynch was here. We all viewed it as a great hit and Dulphin fan was crying up a storm and our S got either fined or suspended or both.
Same thing. The home fan views it a different way. Am I right? In my eyes yes. Doesn't really matter who is right though. All that matters is what the league says. I am laughing at the NHL at this point and I hope they keep suspending us because that means the Flyer refuse to let up and thats what I want as a Flyer fan.
You're still a Bronco brother no matter what you say on the subject.
















Even though you are completely out of your mind!:thumbsup:

phillybroncosnut
11-28-2007, 11:54 PM
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/3/n9380825430179484687jt5.jpg

chadta
11-29-2007, 07:14 AM
i dunno man, a good hit is a good hit, that cambell hit on umberger in the playoffs was a good hit, colby armstrong throws some really nice hits, i just like rough hockey, and the fact that its finally being played and being penalized pisses me off to no end, the fact that it certainly seems that the nhl has 2 sets of criteria for suspensions pisses me off to no end, ive offered up videos of just about everything a flyer has been suspended for being done by another player and what did they get ? nothing, hell colin cambell even said earlier in the year about a hit " it was a suspendable offense" well why the hell wasnt he suspended then ? What kinda message is he sending to league ? Hit anybody however you want, just pray they dont get hurt or youll get suspended.

if all these hits happend last year when the team sucked ass i can see people being upset, cuz they arent playing hockey, they are just goons, but come on take the skirts off and play the game.

Bronx33
11-29-2007, 03:29 PM
i dunno man, a good hit is a good hit, that cambell hit on umberger in the playoffs was a good hit, colby armstrong throws some really nice hits, i just like rough hockey, and the fact that its finally being played and being penalized pisses me off to no end, the fact that it certainly seems that the nhl has 2 sets of criteria for suspensions pisses me off to no end, ive offered up videos of just about everything a flyer has been suspended for being done by another player and what did they get ? nothing, hell colin cambell even said earlier in the year about a hit " it was a suspendable offense" well why the hell wasnt he suspended then ? What kinda message is he sending to league ? Hit anybody however you want, just pray they dont get hurt or youll get suspended.

if all these hits happend last year when the team sucked ass i can see people being upset, cuz they arent playing hockey, they are just goons, but come on take the skirts off and play the game.


Your still confusing good clean rough hockey (which i also like) with bad hits (which they were) i really don't know what else to tell you your team hasn't lost a step even with the suspensions you should be happy how deep your team is.

chadta
11-29-2007, 04:46 PM
Your still confusing good clean rough hockey (which i also like) with bad hits (which they were) i really don't know what else to tell you your team hasn't lost a step even with the suspensions you should be happy how deep your team is.


i make downies hit everytime, hartnell was pulling up, jones was just bad luck, boulerice was dirty, the jones hit happens 5 times everygame and not a word is said untill somebody dosent get up, much like the hartnell hit, if the guy gets up nothing else is said, and you can cry dirty all you want about downie, i like it, and actually i recall laying out a guy in summer hockey many years ago in the very same way, i didnt even get a penalty.

did you see Phaneuf's hit on Hudler, from tuesday, very similar to downies hit, he was offf the ice barely, just like downie (its called exploding into the hit NOT JUMPING) but it wasnt near the boards, oh yeah and the guy got up, so how many games did he get ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7cu3-ObJZQ&eurl=http://www.orangeandblack.net/phillyboard/showthread.php?t=29872

nice eh, funny thing, no stretcher, no suspension, apparently we need to send all players to the darcy tucker go down like you were shot school of taking a hit

Bronx33
11-29-2007, 05:07 PM
i make downies hit everytime, hartnell was pulling up, jones was just bad luck, boulerice was dirty, the jones hit happens 5 times everygame and not a word is said untill somebody dosent get up, much like the hartnell hit, if the guy gets up nothing else is said, and you can cry dirty all you want about downie, i like it, and actually i recall laying out a guy in summer hockey many years ago in the very same way, i didnt even get a penalty.

did you see Phaneuf's hit on Hudler, from tuesday, very similar to downies hit, he was offf the ice barely, just like downie (its called exploding into the hit NOT JUMPING) but it wasnt near the boards, oh yeah and the guy got up, so how many games did he get ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7cu3-ObJZQ&eurl=http://www.orangeandblack.net/phillyboard/showthread.php?t=29872

nice eh, funny thing, no stretcher, no suspension, apparently we need to send all players to the darcy tucker go down like you were shot school of taking a hit


Hudler was admiring a pretty pass? what? only difference was the dean hit was directed to to the head (that's the difference) and hartnells exact quote was (I finished the check)

chadta
11-30-2007, 12:52 AM
what video are you watching ? cuz hudler got hit right in the head, difference is he got up, and he didnt spin and hit the boards, otherwise its the same hit. Player exploding up into a hit, and making a good one, the way its supposed to be done.

Bronx33
12-01-2007, 09:48 PM
Hatcher left his feet on a hit tonight vs the dallas i really think your team is flat stupid this is getting to the point where it's ridiculas(lets see what happens).

Bronx33
12-01-2007, 10:22 PM
MY FREAKING GOD! now cote drills somebody in the head with a elbow WTF?

chadta
12-02-2007, 09:34 AM
Hatcher left his feet on a hit tonight vs the dallas i really think your team is flat stupid this is getting to the point where it's ridiculas(lets see what happens).

me thinks somebody is just upset because a stupid team has a winning record, while his team of little figure skaters dosent. But hey at least you have more points then the caps, kings, coyotes and oilers, so your not totally last AGAIN.

I didnt see either hit cuz i had work to do on my supermoto to get ready for todays ride, im sure video will pop up sooner or later, and im sure suspensions are coming, and ya know what, it dosent matter.

It was awesome listening to the pregame, all the announcers could say is guys keep your heads up, guys keep your heads up, so the word is getting out, the rest of the league is getting scared, and rightfully so. Now once we get rid of this instagator rule we can hit ya then beat ya up for good measures.

Bronx33
12-02-2007, 11:16 AM
Huh? again chada your way off the mark in the logic dept and you even state (you didn't) see the game now we why all your comments seem to come from left field.

Bronx33
12-02-2007, 11:28 AM
Link
(http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/20071202_Flyers_cooked_at_home_again.html)

Cote was ejected with a match penalty after elbowing Matt Niskanen about the head near the end of play. Look for Flyers suspension No. 5.
"I know what's coming," Cote said. "It was stupid on my part. I had no intention of hurting anybody. I wanted to finish my check. . . . I definitely didn't try to hurt him. It looks bad. I don't know what to say. I feel terrible. . . . Head blow. Thank God he didn't get hurt."


I will be sure to candycoat all my responses about the flyers to you chada it seems to bother you when i merely (state the truth) cote is extremely lucky he didn't hurt him.

chadta
12-02-2007, 01:21 PM
well going by history, no injury, no suspension, and yes that is still wrong, i do however wonder if the fact that its a flyer will mean that he gets a game or 2.

In breaking news Mike Richards was suspended by the NHL today for 5 games. Richards was attempting to score when he inadvertantly hit the goalie in the chest with the puck. Campbell explained that while Richard's intention was not to hurt the goalie, the 5 hole was wide open and Richard's should have shot there. Bad shots are no excuse for hurting a goalie.

LOL

phillybroncosnut
12-02-2007, 01:48 PM
The Cote Hit was uncalled for. He got his elbow up and deserves a suspension. Sad thing is, the Cote, Dowd, and Eager line were the only line that decided to play with passion. Eager was playing out of his mind. When a checking/fighting line is frustrated, something bad is bound to happen though. No excuse for the elbow.

The Hatcher leaving his feet in my opinion is nit picking. I gotta admit though, I have no idea when that was. I was at the game and don't recall any hit where Hatch left his feet. Hatch didn't get a penalty all night so I can't imagine it was a terribly bad hit. The micropscope is in full force though so I imagine any questionable hit, even though every player on every team makes a similar hit, will be deemed a cheapshot by the Flyers.

I can't figure out what the hell is going on with this team right now. I'm frustrated by the fact that we play incredible on the road only to come home and play like a bunch of retards at home. All we do is stand around in the defensive zone and when the puck comes to them after 5 minutes of watching the opposing team skate around and fire at will, we just look to dump out. No one skates with the puck. We can't even string together 2 passes in a row. It's all turnovers or dump-ins or dump-outs. I can't beleive this is a first place hockey team. I think they fell behind the Rangers after last night though.
Strange how this team won their first 7 or 8 games at home this season. Now, they can't even keep the games close at home. I've been to the last 5 home games and we won the first (5-2) against Pitts) and dropped the last 4. How can a team play so well on the road and suck so bad at home? If we were losing by a goal and fighting hard for the win, that would be acceptable. Getting blown out 4 straight at home is out of line. I am at a loss.

phillybroncosnut
12-02-2007, 01:55 PM
well going by history, no injury, no suspension, and yes that is still wrong, i do however wonder if the fact that its a flyer will mean that he gets a game or 2.

In breaking news Mike Richards was suspended by the NHL today for 5 games. Richards was attempting to score when he inadvertantly hit the goalie in the chest with the puck. Campbell explained that while Richard's intention was not to hurt the goalie, the 5 hole was wide open and Richard's should have shot there. Bad shots are no excuse for hurting a goalie.

LOL


I could be wrong but I think a "match penalty" is an automatic suspension. It could be just an automatic game misconduct but I beleive a suspension is mandatory as well. Probably a 2 gamer.
Not to make light of the hit but now that Hartnell is done his suspension, Cote would have been a healthy scratch anyway. Tolpeka has been playing great and took Cote's playing time. When Hartnell got suspended, Cote regained his playing time. Whe everyone was available, The Flyers were using Cote in games where they wanted more toughness (Rangers, Devils, well, East Coast hockey). They were dressing Tolpeka against speedier, more skilled teams. With Minn and the Avs on deck, Tolpeka would have dressed anyway.
Tolpeka is very fast, hits well and seems to have very good skill. I'd love to see him with Briere or Richards. His talent is being wasted with Eager and Dowd.

chadta
12-04-2007, 10:03 AM
well cote gets 3 games, big deal, if the nhl wanted to really punish the flyers they would make cote play 20 minute per game.


team gets warned, big surprise, the big news is and this is from a friend of a friend, that downie has been called up and will play against the wild on wednesday, gonna have to wait and see on this one, nothing official yet.

chadta
12-06-2007, 01:15 AM
good game agaisnt the wild tonight, 3-1, hopfully we dont have our down day against the avs.

phillybroncosnut
12-06-2007, 01:36 AM
good game agaisnt the wild tonight, 3-1, hopfully we dont have our down day against the avs.


Nah, they only let down at home it seems! Fockers wait for me to shell out $200 and then play like chit.

phillybroncosnut
12-06-2007, 01:38 AM
Think they aint watching? Just look at the penalties tonight....

Flyers 9 penalties for 18 minutes
Wild 3 penalties for 6 minutes

Terrific!

chadta
12-06-2007, 12:29 PM
seems like champ and bronx are closet flyers fans, all they ever do is talk about them, hell bronx was at a flyers bar, champs going to the flyers game.

welcome aboard guys.

phillybroncosnut
12-07-2007, 09:55 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/michael_farber/12/04/hockeytown1210/1.html

New Hockeytown USA?



In Search of... Hockeytown U.S.A.
With Detroit's claim to fame undermined by poor attendance at Red Wings games, SI set out to find the U.S. city that can rightfully call itself the capital of hockey in this country
Posted: Tuesday December 4, 2007 10:54AM; Updated: Tuesday December 4, 2007 10:54AM



While the Red Wings struggle to sell out, the Wild (above) is thriving thanks to grassroots hockey.
Darren Carroll/SI





The year was 1996. The "Got Milk?" campaign was at its zenith, and a fast-food Mexican chain was about to introduce a wisecracking Chihuahua who would proclaim "Yo quiero Taco Bell." The advertising agency for the Detroit Red Wings, Bozell Worldwide, was also cooking up something that would capture the hockey zeitgeist as neatly as the Red Wings would the next two Stanley Cups.

"Hockeytown," which still graces the center-ice circle at Joe Louis Arena, remains a brilliant slogan, a motto so evocative that the Canadiens emulated it this season with "The city is hockey," evidence that Montreal has game if not syntax. Of course in Detroit in 2007 the Hockeytown moniker seems as appropriate as, well, dipping a beef taco in a glass of milk.

Detroit's Hockeytown crown has slipped. There were so many empty seats in The Joe during the playoffs last spring that you could have twirled an octopus in some rows of the upper deck and not slimed a soul. This year's home opener (against defending Stanley Cup champion Anaheim) was almost 2,500 short of a sellout. The Wings still offer dazzling hockey, showcasing three of the NHL's best 20 players -- Norris Trophy defenseman Nicklas Lidstrom and dynamic forwards Henrik Zetterberg and Pavel Datsyuk -- but ennui now grips the denizens of the down-at-the-heels arena. Despite the team's Western Conference-leading 18-6-2 record through Sunday attendance has continued to dip. This isn't a return to the Dead Things Era, when Detroit went to the playoffs just twice from 1967 through '83, but the Wings are clearly at the yawn of a new era. They have sold just 14,500 season tickets for their 20,066-seat rink this season.

"Coming in from the airport there was a billboard advertising Red Wings tickets," St. Louis Blues goalie coach Rick Wamsley says. "I don't think I've ever seen that."

There are scads of reasons for Hockeytown turning tepid, most notably a state economy that has lost more than 300,000 jobs since 2001. (Curiously, the economy seems better a few blocks away at Comerica Park, where the Tigers drew more than three million fans for the first time in '07, and in the suburbs where the Pistons have played to 100% of capacity in their 22,076-seat arena so far this year.)

"There are lots of things at work," Detroit general manager Ken Holland says. "Steve Yzerman retired [in '06], and there were people who were Steve Yzerman fans first and Red Wings fans second. We had a work stoppage [the '04-05 lockout]. Maybe in Canada where hockey is part of the fabric you can pick right up where you left off, but here the bubble fans found other things to do. And we're fighting our own success. When we won the Cup in 2002, there were so many big names" -- Yzerman, Lidstrom, Brett Hull, Sergei Fedorov, Brendan Shanahan, Luc Robitaille, Igor Larionov -- "it's unlikely you'll ever see a team like that again in any [salary-capped] sport."

So while the Wings' Hockeytown tradition is running on fumes, you have to hit the road to find the new Hockeytown, starting with....

PHILADELPHIA

Philadelphia Flyers enforcer Riley Cote and New York Rangers ruffian Colton Orr are throwing haymakers, a first-period fight so entrancing that the linesmen simply watch for 40 seconds as the sell-out crowd of 19,571 in the Wachovia Center on Nov. 15 roars its approbation. In Philadelphia this is mother's milk. The only thing better than hard-nosed hockey is broken-nosed hockey, the legacy of the Broad Street Bullies, who married skill with intimidation to win the Stanley Cup in 1974 and '75.

In modern NHL history, no Cups have ever Krazy-Glued a team to a town quite like those two. When then coach Fred Shero memorably said in the spring of 1974 that the Flyers would walk together forever if they won that first Cup, he neglected to mention that the city would be in lockstep with them. Although vitriol is supposedly the lifeblood of the Philadelphia sports fan, there is precious little directed at the Flyers, who have not won a Cup in 32 years and who last reached the final a decade ago. "Talk show hosts in this city criticize fans for not getting down on the Flyers the way they do on the Phillies, Eagles and Sixers," Flyers president Peter Luukko says. "I think that's because our fans feel they have ownership in the team."

Certainly they buy just as they buy-in. The Flyers are third in the league in attendance but claim to be first in what NHL people call "per caps" -- merchandise revenue divided by tickets sold. (When Philadelphia signed prized free agent center Daniel Bričre, his number 48 jersey shot to the top of NHL merchandise sales in August.) The seats near the glass in Philly have always been crammed with fans in orange and now black jerseys, leaving the impression that opponents aren't playing against 20 Flyers but 200. Says goalie Martin Biron, traded from the Buffalo Sabres to Philadelphia last spring, "This always has been the most intimidating building in the league."

If the postlockout rule changes have eroded any of the sport's soul in a city that loves its hockey chaotic -- "The game's become so sanitized it's hard to get that primal scream for it anymore," says Al Morganti, who does a Flyers postgame show on TV -- raw numbers don't reflect it. During a seven-day period in mid-November the Flyers and their minor league affiliate, the Phantoms, who play across the parking lot in the Spectrum (and are sixth in AHL attendance despite the NHL team's presence), each had three home games. Combined attendance: 78,046. "People don't come here to see the Ducks because they won the Stanley Cup," Flyers general manager Paul Holmgren says. "They come because the Ducks are playing the Flyers. It's always been like that." Indeed. Despite missing the playoffs five straight seasons in the early 1990s, the feckless Flyers sold out 94 of 202 home games in that stretch. And although the Flyers were the worst team in the NHL last season, they still played to 98.7% of capacity at the Wachovia Center.

Bob Clarke, the Flyers' senior vice president, stands up for his team's honor now almost as aggressively as he did as the star of the Broad Street Bullies. "When Detroit was bad [in the 1980s], the Red Wings couldn't put 3,000 in their building and they were giving away cars," he says. "Buffalo had to file for bankruptcy. St. Paul looks like a huge success [now], but Minneapolis was awful when the North Stars were there. [Clarke was the North Stars G.M. when the team reached the Cup final in 1991.] This is pro Hockeytown."

So the gauntlet is thrown down, just like Cote's overhand left.

BUFFALO

Three doors lead into HSBC Arena, each topped with a frieze. The ones above the left and right doors depict goalies making sprawling glove saves; stampeding buffalo adorn the center. Almost all of the 18,690 people who will see the Sabres thump Montreal 4-1 on this night stream through those doors and mill about the lobby, creating a charged pregame atmosphere. In an era in which almost any game is available on TV or the Internet, the best reason to buy a ticket is the sense of community it offers, a chance to spend three hours with people who have shared values and shared expectations. With the teeming lobby, the Sabres offer a game and a hockey town-hall meeting.

"Last year some of our people thought we should call ourselves America's Team on Ice," says Sabres managing partner Larry Quinn two hours before the opening face-off against the Canadiens on Nov. 16. "I mean, if we're not Hockeytown, who is? But we said, let's win one or two Cups first before we start with that. I can't imagine throwing something on the ice to call attention to ourselves. It just doesn't seem like Buffalo. It seems more like Dallas."

Still, the Sabres indulged in some self-congratulation in October, when they publicized a Scarborough Research survey that said Buffalo had the NHL's most loyal fans: 28.9% of males and 21.6% of females responded that they were very or somewhat interested in the team. (In Philadelphia 12.7% of men and 7.5% of women fit that category.)

Four years after owner Tom Golisano rescued the Sabres from bankruptcy -- part of the fallout from the fraud conviction of former owner John Rigas, founder of Adelphia Communications -- the revival has been stunning. "I had friends with season tickets who couldn't give them away," says Bričre, an ex-Sabre. But now, helped in part by a cut in prices, the season ticket base is at 14,800, up from 6,200 at its nadir. Even though fewer than 1,000 seats in HSBC Arena are purchased by corporations, Buffalo sold every available ticket last season and will likely do the same in 2007-08.

This is mom-and-pop hockey, supported by people who, in Quinn's estimation, spend more of their disposable income on hockey than fans in any other city. Says Sabres equipment manager Rip Simonick, who was with the team when it entered the league 37 years ago, "This is a small city, shrinking before our eyes" -- according to the 2006 census, there were about 180,000 more people in Buffalo in 1970 than today's 276,059 -- "but people here appreciate that hockey is a hard, physical game. You work for every dollar here. If you give an effort, the fans will always be there for you."

It is no accident that the NHL chose Buffalo to be the site of the league's first outdoor game in the U.S. The Sabres will host the Penguins at Ralph Wilson Stadium, 10 miles from downtown, on New Year's Day. The 41,000 tickets made available to the public sold out in a half hour.

"There's a trauma here, with so many people's kids having moved out of town," Quinn says. "Sports for a Buffalo person is an outlet to fight back against that trauma. It's almost like a cause. For a lot of people Sabres tickets are what they do instead of taking vacations. I ask people, 'How can you afford it?' They say, 'Well, we go to 40 games instead of going to Florida, and we don't take a summer vacation.' "

"In some ways," G.M. Darcy Regier says, "this is like small-town Canada."

Exactly. And Buffalo is a little too much small-town Canada to qualify as Hockeytown U.S.A. Only 8% of the Sabres' season-ticket base is Canadian, but on any given night a fifth of the Buffalo crowd has braved Peace Bridge customs' checks and come from eh-droppin' southern Ontario. Filling the building with imports is like setting a wind-aided world record.

ST. PAUL





In the pregame darkness of the sold-out arena, a child bathed in a spotlight's amber glow skates to center ice and plants a Minnesota Wild flag. This simple gesture guarantees the Wild a nightly goose-bump moment -- one that's a nod to the essence of hockey in the city that has become the game's epicenter. Unlike in, say, Philadelphia, hockey in St. Paul grows from the bottom up. When the child plants that Wild flag at the Xcel Energy Center, says Les Larson, director of development for college hockey's Hobey Baker Award, "it's about hockey moms driving to the rink, the peanut-butter-and-jelly sandwich a kid grabs before going to play, about the pickup games guys played. It strikes a chord."

The Wild has sold every ticket to every game since it entered the NHL as an expansion team in 2000, but it has never tried to bigfoot hockey in a city that was home to America's iconic coach, Herb Brooks; the No. 2 U.S.-born career NHL scorer, South St. Paul's Phil Housley; the only cartoonist to draw a Zamboni-driving bird, Charles Schulz; and the leading state high school tournament in the nation. This is the unwritten hockey schedule in the Twin Cities: boys' hockey Tuesday night, girls' hockey Thursday night, the University of Minnesota Friday and Saturday nights. Boys and girls also play on Saturday afternoon. It is no coincidence that the Wild often plays on Wednesday and Sunday. This is a franchise respectful of the game, aware of its niche and almost obsequious in its treatment of fans. Minnesota high school hockey jerseys ring the outer concourse of the arena. Pictures of season-ticket holders appear on game tickets. The Wild even employs a full-time hockey curator to protect and promote the state's hockey heritage.

"This reminds me of Calgary when I first went there," says G.M. Doug Risebrough, who played in the NHL for 13 years and was traded from Montreal to Calgary in 1982. "They'd just gotten the franchise [in '80], and there was the same sort of enthusiasm, a feeling of, let's grow up together."

The lingering question: How can any Hockeytown aspirant have lost an NHL team, as the Twin Cities, the 15th largest T.V. market in the U.S., did when owner Norm Green took the North Stars to Dallas in 1993? Those North Stars did, as Clarke suggested, have attendance problems -- but those were precipitated in large part by an ownership that alienated the fan base. The team played its games in Bloomington, and Green complained bitterly about not being able to play in downtown Minneapolis at the Target Center. Fans were also put off by a high profile sexual harassment suit that Green ended up settling out of court. Attendance shriveled to just 7,838 per game in 1990-91 and Green called it quits two seasons later, moving to the virgin territory of the southwest.

Now Minnesotans are buying what the Wild is selling. Season tickets are capped at 16,500; the waiting list is 7,500. There are 32 stations on the team's radio network, extending through the Dakotas, into Iowa and Wisconsin and even Thunder Bay, Ont. NHL hockey again appears entrenched, despite the many other options available.

"If you aren't happy with the pro team," says Wild assistant coach Mike Ramsey, who is from Minneapolis and played for the University of Minnesota, "you say, 'I'm going to a high school game. I'm going to see the [Minnesota] Gophers. I'm going to St. Cloud [State, a Division I program an hour from the Twin Cities].' "

What further sets a Buffalo-sized city apart from, say, Buffalo, is its growth potential. Mark Jorgensen, executive director of Minnesota Hockey, which oversees the game at the amateur level in the state, says girls' hockey, which accounted for 14.6% of youth players in 1998-99, is up to 21.5%.

"If you go to a rink now, there's a good chance there'll be girls on the ice," Risebrough says. "Years from now I think you'll find lots of mothers with their sons and daughters at our games because this is what they did."

Expect no less in St. Paul, America's new Hockeytown.

phillybroncosnut
12-07-2007, 10:14 PM
What do you mean? Surely Pittsburgh HAS to top that list! BWAAAHAHAHAHA

chadta
12-08-2007, 12:36 AM
i have a problem with buffalo being on that list, i remember 4 years ago when they couldnt give tickets away, i actually go tickets to the flyers last playoff series in buffalo, the day before the game, 11th row right at the blue line, you dotn get seats like that to a playoff game the day before in a hockey city.

phillybroncosnut
12-08-2007, 03:09 PM
i have a problem with buffalo being on that list, i remember 4 years ago when they couldnt give tickets away, i actually go tickets to the flyers last playoff series in buffalo, the day before the game, 11th row right at the blue line, you dotn get seats like that to a playoff game the day before in a hockey city.


It depends. I always use a trick (or an inside secret) to secure Playoff tix. I go down the day of the game and wait at the ticket window. At about 2 hours before game time, the window opens with great tix available. The tix that become available are the opposing teams tix that go unused. The opposing team gets a number of tix for family friends, etc. Whatever they don't use they return to the home team and the home team sells them.

I am not sure if the tix you got were the same situation or not.

I may agree with you though. I think I would take out Buff and insert Boston to that list.

chadta
12-08-2007, 09:14 PM
the only reason i got the tickets was cuz during the saturday game from philly they said that there were still 5500 seats available for game 3 on tuesday night.

so no those wernt saved tickets, as for boston, i dunno, hoenstly the people up there have been to wrapped up in football, baseball and even basketball to really give to ****s about the bruins.

i just dont think there is any comparing a us city to hockey in montreal or toronto, so anybody laying claim to the title hockey town is a joke. Altho atleast in minneapolis its fans that buy the tickets its not all corporate like detroit and colorado, and its not empty like pittsburgh and new jersey.

phillybroncosnut
12-08-2007, 11:04 PM
the only reason i got the tickets was cuz during the saturday game from philly they said that there were still 5500 seats available for game 3 on tuesday night.

so no those wernt saved tickets, as for boston, i dunno, hoenstly the people up there have been to wrapped up in football, baseball and even basketball to really give to ****s about the bruins.

i just dont think there is any comparing a us city to hockey in montreal or toronto, so anybody laying claim to the title hockey town is a joke. Altho atleast in minneapolis its fans that buy the tickets its not all corporate like detroit and colorado, and its not empty like pittsburgh and new jersey.


Its "Hockeytown USA" bro. That officially eliminates Toronto and Montreal.

As far as Boston goes, it's always been the Red Sox #1 and the Bruins #1a. Add to that the college tourney they run each year that packs the house. It's drop the puck time all the time in Boston bro. That's the only other city I can think of in America that can compete with Philly.

chadta
12-08-2007, 11:12 PM
well detroit didnt call themselves hockey town usa, they called themsevles hockeytown, which is a joke.

phillybroncosnut
12-10-2007, 10:47 PM
Potulny called up and Downie sent back down to the Phantoms.

chadta
12-11-2007, 11:05 PM
well im glad to see things are back to normal in the hockey world, the pens are our biatches once again.

couple things that bothered me tonight tho,

1 eager getting taken care of by gary roberts, come on the guys 100,

2 crosby shoulda been killed for tripping biron, altho i notice he didnt step foot on the ice again after that (cough pussy) and

3 laraque should have been jumped before he got up off the ice for that crap with biron, watching that video i dont see how anybody who has ever skated before can not see that he slid into biron on purpose.

:thanku:

Bronx33
12-12-2007, 03:49 PM
New flyers logo after the pitt beatdown.

http://bp0.blogger.com/_RP73nFVK15U/R2AkzIZu94I/AAAAAAAABTM/4YoOJfkgV_0/s1600/SPRTSed_32_04122007_SML.jpg

Bronx33
12-12-2007, 03:52 PM
http://goingfivehole.blogspot.com/2007/12/gary-roberts-will-not-take-kindly-to.html

chadta
12-12-2007, 04:59 PM
you have got to be kidding me ? we just kicked the snot out of you guys AGAIN, and now your in here shooting your mouth off ? weve played you 3 times and outscored you 16 -6 and your in here shooting your mouth off ?

your lucky i wasnt the coach or i would sent eager straight down into your goalie just like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UFyISYVnfw)

oh and for the record the penguins not 3 games over 500,

ill dummy it down for ya so you can understand

GP WINS LOSSES + OVERTIME LOSSES
30 15 13 2


those 2 overtime losses, are still LOSSES, your a 500 team, nothing more, get over it.

go flyers !!! :thumbs:

Bronx33
12-12-2007, 05:02 PM
Who the he11 are you even talking too?

alkemical
12-12-2007, 05:44 PM
Yeah, condoning play like that is why the flyers had all the suspension problems early in the year.

chadta
12-13-2007, 11:28 PM
and the pattern continues, play a good game, take a game off, play a good game, this has got to stop.

phillybroncosnut
12-14-2007, 09:51 PM
Yeah, condoning play like that is why the flyers had all the suspension problems early in the year.



Interesting take. I'd like to hear where you stand on the waste of a hockey uniform (George Laraque) going directly after Biron's legs late in the game. Obviously he won't be suspended but I wanted to see if you are willing to admit that it was nothing less then intent to injure and went straight at Biron's legs.
No that i think about it, you always defended the cheapest player ever in the NHL, Darius Kasperitis so I doubt you will see anything with the Gorrilla on skates' actions.

I can deal with hard hits up high and an elbow thrown at my player. It's totally gutless when you try to take out a guys knee.

phillybroncosnut
12-14-2007, 09:53 PM
Chad, OUTSTANDING news bro.......

http://flyers.nhl.com/team/app?articleid=346519&page=NewsPage&service=page

The Philadelphia Flyers announced that they have signed center Mike Richards to a 12-year contract extension, according to club General Manager Paul Holmgren. Richards’ new contract will start next season and run through the 2019-2020 season.

"Mike has become an integral part of our core group and we are extremely happy to have him under contract long term,” said Holmgren in making the announcement. “We believe that he will continue to grow as a player and as a leader."

Mike Richards agreed to a 12-year contract extension with the Flyers on Thursday. (Getty Images)

“I am very happy to be a part of the organization for hopefully the rest of my career,” said Richards. “It's just exciting to be a part of something that has such a great tradition and history as the Philadelphia Flyers."

Richards, 22, has recorded 14 goals and 20 assists for 34 points and 30 penalty minutes in 28 games for the Flyers this season. An alternate captain for the Flyers, Richards currently leads the team in goals (14), assists (20), points (34, tied for 17th in the NHL), shorthanded goals (3, tied for second in the NHL) and shots (80). He is first on the team in average time on ice among forwards (21:06) and is tied for first on the team in game-winning goals (3). He has set a new career high for goals in a season and has tied his career high for points in a season.

In 166 career regular season games over the last three NHL seasons, Richards has registered 35 goals and 65 assists for 100 points and 147 penalty minutes. He was drafted by the Flyers in the first round (24th overall) of the 2003 NHL Entry Draft.

Prior to joining the Flyers, Richards appeared in 14 playoff games for the Flyers’ American Hockey League affiliate, the Philadelphia Phantoms. He recorded seven goals and eight assists for 15 points and 28 penalty minutes as the Phantoms won the 2005 Calder Cup Championship.

In four seasons with the Kitchener Rangers of the Ontario Hockey League (2001-02 through 2004-05), Richards registered 115 goals and 177 assists for 292 points and 308 penalty minutes in 233 regular season games. He served as Kitchener’s captain for two seasons and was named to the Memorial Cup All-Star Team as the Rangers won the Memorial Cup in 2003.

The 5’11”, 195-pound center was named to the OHL Second All-Star Team following the 2004-05 season and was the captain of Canadian National Team at 2005 IIHF World Junior Championships, recording five points (1G,4A) in six games as Canada won the gold medal.

alkemical
12-14-2007, 09:58 PM
Interesting take. I'd like to hear where you stand on the waste of a hockey uniform (George Laraque) going directly after Biron's legs late in the game. Obviously he won't be suspended but I wanted to see if you are willing to admit that it was nothing less then intent to injure and went straight at Biron's legs.
No that i think about it, you always defended the cheapest player ever in the NHL, Darius Kasperitis so I doubt you will see anything with the Gorrilla on skates' actions.

I can deal with hard hits up high and an elbow thrown at my player. It's totally gutless when you try to take out a guys knee.


You mean like supporting intentional injuring people by high sticking incidents? Hmmm......

Geee.....

I can't see what laraque's intentions were - usually if he has a problem - he just kicks the **** out of you or someone else on your bench. He hasn't had a history of "intent to injure" - and the only time i really support kasper on was knocking lindress into next week - in which that was a clean hit. Lindress didn't have his head up, again.

phillybroncosnut
12-14-2007, 10:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-K_DSQUN9M

Stick on stick, yet, Cindy insists on making himself look like an ass!

phillybroncosnut
12-14-2007, 10:02 PM
You mean like supporting intentional injuring people by high sticking incidents? Hmmm......

Geee.....

I can't see what laraque's intentions were - usually if he has a problem - he just kicks the **** out of you or someone else on your bench. He hasn't had a history of "intent to injure" - and the only time i really support kasper on was knocking lindress into next week - in which that was a clean hit. Lindress didn't have his head up, again.

You didn't see the game did you?

phillybroncosnut
12-14-2007, 10:05 PM
You mean like supporting intentional injuring people by high sticking incidents? Hmmm......




A) Can you be more specific? I don't remember any flyer getting suspended for "intentional" high sticking. The only one remotely close would have been Jesse Boulerice. hoever, the Flyers did what should have been done which is cut him.

B) When did I support an intentional high stick?

alkemical
12-14-2007, 10:15 PM
You didn't see the game did you?

Via Tivo - i was busy with a 23 year old nurse - ;)

phillybroncosnut
12-14-2007, 10:48 PM
Via Tivo - i was busy with a 23 year old nurse - ;)

Atta boy Josh! My man, Pots and Pans!:strong:

Bronx33
12-14-2007, 11:17 PM
Chad, OUTSTANDING news bro.......

http://flyers.nhl.com/team/app?articleid=346519&page=NewsPage&service=page

The Philadelphia Flyers announced that they have signed center Mike Richards to a 12-year contract extension, according to club General Manager Paul Holmgren. Richards’ new contract will start next season and run through the 2019-2020 season.

"Mike has become an integral part of our core group and we are extremely happy to have him under contract long term,” said Holmgren in making the announcement. “We believe that he will continue to grow as a player and as a leader."

Mike Richards agreed to a 12-year contract extension with the Flyers on Thursday. (Getty Images)

“I am very happy to be a part of the organization for hopefully the rest of my career,” said Richards. “It's just exciting to be a part of something that has such a great tradition and history as the Philadelphia Flyers."

Richards, 22, has recorded 14 goals and 20 assists for 34 points and 30 penalty minutes in 28 games for the Flyers this season. An alternate captain for the Flyers, Richards currently leads the team in goals (14), assists (20), points (34, tied for 17th in the NHL), shorthanded goals (3, tied for second in the NHL) and shots (80). He is first on the team in average time on ice among forwards (21:06) and is tied for first on the team in game-winning goals (3). He has set a new career high for goals in a season and has tied his career high for points in a season.

In 166 career regular season games over the last three NHL seasons, Richards has registered 35 goals and 65 assists for 100 points and 147 penalty minutes. He was drafted by the Flyers in the first round (24th overall) of the 2003 NHL Entry Draft.

Prior to joining the Flyers, Richards appeared in 14 playoff games for the Flyers’ American Hockey League affiliate, the Philadelphia Phantoms. He recorded seven goals and eight assists for 15 points and 28 penalty minutes as the Phantoms won the 2005 Calder Cup Championship.

In four seasons with the Kitchener Rangers of the Ontario Hockey League (2001-02 through 2004-05), Richards registered 115 goals and 177 assists for 292 points and 308 penalty minutes in 233 regular season games. He served as Kitchener’s captain for two seasons and was named to the Memorial Cup All-Star Team as the Rangers won the Memorial Cup in 2003.

The 5’11”, 195-pound center was named to the OHL Second All-Star Team following the 2004-05 season and was the captain of Canadian National Team at 2005 IIHF World Junior Championships, recording five points (1G,4A) in six games as Canada won the gold medal.


Alot can go wrong in 12 years so basically it's a lifetime contract i would also say they probably should have waited a bit to see if the kid does put up big numbers. (no backin out now) good luck.

Bronx33
12-14-2007, 11:50 PM
Therrien accuses Philadelphia coach of padding score; two hat tricks end 4-game win streak


I don't know if this was posted or not but found this info on a budding rivalry...

PHILADELPHIA -- The game was over, but -- those 156 minutes' worth of penalties that had been assessed over the course of the evening aside -- the hostilities were just beginning.

First, Philadelphia coach John Stevens accused the Penguins of being totally undisciplined after they received 81 penalty minutes in the third period of the Flyers' 8-2 victory at the Wachovia Center last night.

When his Penguins counterpart, Michel Therrien, was informed of Stevens' charge, he launched a caustic retort, pointing out that the Flyers had dispatched their No. 1 power play while holding a five-goal lead in the third period.

And when Therrien's postgame session with reporters ended, Flyers knuckle-dragger Ben Eager (0 points, 60 penalty minutes), whom Therrien passed in a corridor outside the Penguins' locker room, said to him, "You're a joke."

Therrien offered a two-word comeback, only the second half of which -- "you" -- is suitable for public consumption.

Consider the rivalry re-ignited. Not that it had been particularly dormant before last evening.

"Everyone knows there's one here," Penguins center Sidney Crosby said. "But it seems like it's escalated each game."

The antics during and after the game largely overshadowed hat tricks by Flyers forwards R.J. Umberger and Joffrey Lupul, the first time two Philadelphia players scored three goals each in a game since 1985.

The loss cost the Penguins a shot at just the second 4-0 road trip in franchise history and ended their four-game winning streak. And while it was one of their most lopsided losses in a while, they weren't making an issue of the margin of defeat.

"We had a good road trip," said defenseman Ryan Whitney, who was involved in his first NHL fight. "Obviously, it didn't end the way we wanted it to."

The Flyers scored on three of 13 power-play chances, and spent much of the final period with the extra man. That led to Stevens' comments and the broadside Therrien fired back.

"Are we talking about the same team that has had five guys suspended this year?" Therrien said. "Is that the same team? It's a lack of respect, what [Stevens] did tonight.

"At 7-2, you don't send your best power play on the ice. Even [Flyers center] Daniel Briere didn't want to go on the ice. It's a lack of respect. ... You never put yourself in a position to show a lack of respect for the other team. This is exactly what he did tonight."

Asked if he thought Stevens tried to humiliate the Penguins, Therrien said, "Big time."

The game did not attract a capacity crowd -- quite a few rows near the top of the arena were empty -- but there was enough of a crowd to launch several vulgar chants at Crosby during the third period, at least one with the musical accompaniment of the Wachovia Center organist.

Penguins left winger Ryan Malone and Philadelphia defenseman Jason Smith ratcheted up the emotion with a spirited exchange of punches 20 seconds after the opening faceoff, and Lupul, who had gone 11 games without a goal, made it 1-0 at 1:11 and struck again at 3:44.

The Penguins countered with power-play goals by Whitney (12:39) and Petr Sykora (14:28) and were even at the intermission.

"We didn't even play our best and we were tied, so we were feeling good," Whitney said.

That changed quickly, though, as Philadelphia took control of the game with two goals by Umberger during a two-minute span in the second period. Philadelphia's Mike Knuble then eliminated any uncertainty about the outcome when he knocked a rebound behind Penguins goaltender Dany Sabourin during a power play with 9.9 seconds left in the period.

Ty Conklin, recalled from the Penguins' minor-league team in Wilkes-Barre after goalie Marc-Andre Fleury injured an ankle Thursday in Calgary, replaced Sabourin for the third period and gave up goals to Lupul, Braydon Coburn and Umberger to close out the scoring.

"You have to scratch the second half of the game," Crosby said. "It was just a mess."

One the Penguins can't dwell on, with Ottawa coming to Mellon Arena at 7:38 p.m. tomorrow.

"The next time we play [Philadelphia], it will be fresh in our minds," defenseman Brooks Orpik said. "But the most important thing for the team is to erase it from our minds as quickly as possible. Don't let it carry over to Thursday."

Bronx33
12-15-2007, 12:11 AM
Interesting poll
(http://thehockeynews.com/pages/puck_poll.php)

phillybroncosnut
12-15-2007, 01:00 AM
Alot can go wrong in 12 years so basically it's a lifetime contract i would also say they probably should have waited a bit to see if the kid does put up big numbers. (no backin out now) good luck.


Richards is by far the best all around player on the Flyers. I love that they locked him up long term. In fact, they got him really cheap. The Flyers did very well in this deal. Richards did in a way too. he never has to worry about job security again.

I love this deal. I'll take the 12 year deal. If he flops (there is no idication of that) so be it. It's not like he is getting 10 million per year.

phillybroncosnut
12-15-2007, 01:08 AM
Therrien accuses Philadelphia coach of padding score; two hat tricks end 4-game win streak


I don't know if this was posted or not but found this info on a budding rivalry...

PHILADELPHIA -- The game was over, but -- those 156 minutes' worth of penalties that had been assessed over the course of the evening aside -- the hostilities were just beginning.

First, Philadelphia coach John Stevens accused the Penguins of being totally undisciplined after they received 81 penalty minutes in the third period of the Flyers' 8-2 victory at the Wachovia Center last night.

When his Penguins counterpart, Michel Therrien, was informed of Stevens' charge, he launched a caustic retort, pointing out that the Flyers had dispatched their No. 1 power play while holding a five-goal lead in the third period.

And when Therrien's postgame session with reporters ended, Flyers knuckle-dragger Ben Eager (0 points, 60 penalty minutes), whom Therrien passed in a corridor outside the Penguins' locker room, said to him, "You're a joke."

Therrien offered a two-word comeback, only the second half of which -- "you" -- is suitable for public consumption.

Consider the rivalry re-ignited. Not that it had been particularly dormant before last evening.

"Everyone knows there's one here," Penguins center Sidney Crosby said. "But it seems like it's escalated each game."

The antics during and after the game largely overshadowed hat tricks by Flyers forwards R.J. Umberger and Joffrey Lupul, the first time two Philadelphia players scored three goals each in a game since 1985.

The loss cost the Penguins a shot at just the second 4-0 road trip in franchise history and ended their four-game winning streak. And while it was one of their most lopsided losses in a while, they weren't making an issue of the margin of defeat.

"We had a good road trip," said defenseman Ryan Whitney, who was involved in his first NHL fight. "Obviously, it didn't end the way we wanted it to."

The Flyers scored on three of 13 power-play chances, and spent much of the final period with the extra man. That led to Stevens' comments and the broadside Therrien fired back.

"Are we talking about the same team that has had five guys suspended this year?" Therrien said. "Is that the same team? It's a lack of respect, what [Stevens] did tonight.

"At 7-2, you don't send your best power play on the ice. Even [Flyers center] Daniel Briere didn't want to go on the ice. It's a lack of respect. ... You never put yourself in a position to show a lack of respect for the other team. This is exactly what he did tonight."

Asked if he thought Stevens tried to humiliate the Penguins, Therrien said, "Big time."

The game did not attract a capacity crowd -- quite a few rows near the top of the arena were empty -- but there was enough of a crowd to launch several vulgar chants at Crosby during the third period, at least one with the musical accompaniment of the Wachovia Center organist.

Penguins left winger Ryan Malone and Philadelphia defenseman Jason Smith ratcheted up the emotion with a spirited exchange of punches 20 seconds after the opening faceoff, and Lupul, who had gone 11 games without a goal, made it 1-0 at 1:11 and struck again at 3:44.

The Penguins countered with power-play goals by Whitney (12:39) and Petr Sykora (14:28) and were even at the intermission.

"We didn't even play our best and we were tied, so we were feeling good," Whitney said.

That changed quickly, though, as Philadelphia took control of the game with two goals by Umberger during a two-minute span in the second period. Philadelphia's Mike Knuble then eliminated any uncertainty about the outcome when he knocked a rebound behind Penguins goaltender Dany Sabourin during a power play with 9.9 seconds left in the period.

Ty Conklin, recalled from the Penguins' minor-league team in Wilkes-Barre after goalie Marc-Andre Fleury injured an ankle Thursday in Calgary, replaced Sabourin for the third period and gave up goals to Lupul, Braydon Coburn and Umberger to close out the scoring.

"You have to scratch the second half of the game," Crosby said. "It was just a mess."

One the Penguins can't dwell on, with Ottawa coming to Mellon Arena at 7:38 p.m. tomorrow.

"The next time we play [Philadelphia], it will be fresh in our minds," defenseman Brooks Orpik said. "But the most important thing for the team is to erase it from our minds as quickly as possible. Don't let it carry over to Thursday."


Question: Is there anyone in the Pens organization that doesn't cry? How embarrassing can you get?

Cindy is the ring leader but Therrian is right behind him (the reporter who wrote that laughable article is running a close third).

This isn't football, basketball or baseball where you can put your bench players out in garbage time. You have to run through your lines in Hockey. If you are gonna take 6 straight incredibly stupid penalties in a row, how can the Flyers NOT have their top PP unit out there at some point? They also had a ton of guys out there during the PP that would never see a PP normally (Kukkennen, Tolpeko, Potulny, Jim Dowd). Therrian is a focking tool. He was crying on the bench looking over at Stevens during the game too. What an embarrassment to the NHL this organization is.
Your an embarassment Pittsburgh Penguins.

Oh yeah, BTW..... The Flyers do NOT view you as a rival. You are beneath us. Rangers, Devils, Isles are our top 3 rivals. I would put Buffalo, Toronto and Boston above the Pens. If it makes them feel important that they think they are our rivals, so be it. I won't ran on their party. I wouldn't want to make them cry!

PU55IES!

phillybroncosnut
12-15-2007, 01:12 AM
Bronx, do you have a link from that article?

chadta
12-15-2007, 10:23 AM
heres the link pbn (http://flyers.nhl.com/team/app?articleid=346347&page=NewsPage&service=page)

chadta
12-15-2007, 10:31 AM
Richards is by far the best all around player on the Flyers. I love that they locked him up long term. In fact, they got him really cheap. The Flyers did very well in this deal. Richards did in a way too. he never has to worry about job security again.

I love this deal. I'll take the 12 year deal. If he flops (there is no idication of that) so be it. It's not like he is getting 10 million per year.

yeah he is, and he is finally turning into what he was supposed to be, But i have to agree with bronx on this one, i think its too long too soon, with too much unproven. Its not just one good year as he sayd cuz he was putting up these kinds of numbers the last half of last year , but still, not even 1 full complete season and hes gets a contract like that.

Bronx33
12-15-2007, 05:26 PM
Bronx, do you have a link from that article?


Crap i forgot to post it i do believe it was pittsburgh paper though (ill look)


got it...

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07346/840983-61.stm

Bronx33
12-16-2007, 12:04 PM
Link
(http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/story/832604.html)


Luke DeCock, Staff Writer
PHILADELPHIA - Perhaps it's a good thing the Carolina Hurricanes won't see the Philadelphia Flyers again this season.

After the Hurricanes won the shootout for a 6-5 win Saturday after 65 minutes of rough-and-tumble hockey, Carolina forward Chad LaRose stood in the hallway between the two dressing rooms looking for Flyers forward Scottie Upshall.

LaRose emerged from the Carolina dressing room furious with Upshall for "dirty" and "personal" things he said on the ice.

"I even put someone else's shoes on so I can kick him in the face," LaRose said.

Hurricanes defenseman Niclas Wallin and video coach Chris Huffine retrieved LaRose from the hallway and LaRose declined to comment afterward. He was escorted past the Flyers dressing room to the Carolina bus by another team staffer.

The game was marked by a number of scrums, including one in the third that saw Tim Gleason hit with an extra minor and Philadelphia's Jason Smith go unpenalized, putting the Flyers on a power play they would use to tie the score 5-5.

"If he bumped him, we got bumped all night," Hurricanes coach Peter Laviolette said. "I don't know. I thought he and Smith were going to get two and Smith didn't even go to the box."

SHOOTING STRAIGHT: The shootout win was Carolina's first since April 14, 2006, when the Canes beat the Tampa Bay Lightning.

Matt Cullen and Jeff Hamilton converted before Rod Brind'Amour scored the winner, breaking a streak of six straight shootout losses.

Cullen and Hamilton are both 2-for-2 in the shootout this season.

JUST FOR KICKS: When Cam Ward and Eric Staal grabbed the soccer ball and headed out to the loading dock before the game Saturday, Erik Cole wasn't following. But it wasn't long before he joined them.

"I taped both of my ankles," Cole said.

It was in this same building on Oct. 20 that the Carolina Hurricanes forward fell and sprained his ankle during the pregame kick-around, knocking him out of the lineup that night and for the next three games.

"There's an Erik Cole outline still out there," Ward joked. "It's off limits for him. We'll buy some high-tops for him, just for Philadelphia."

Cole, after safely surviving the soccer, picked up a pair of assists in the win.

GRAHAME GETS START: For the first time in seven games, John Grahame was in net for the Hurricanes. Ward had started six straight games for the Canes after Grahame was in net for an 8-1 loss at the Buffalo Sabres on Dec. 1.

Grahame has now allowed 23 goals in his past four starts, but made some big saves among his 36 Saturday, including a short-handed breakaway by Mike Richards late in the third period.

HISTORY LESSON: The Flyers missed their chance to sweep a four-game season series with the Hurricanes for the first time since the Carolina franchise entered the NHL as the Hartford Whalers in 1979-80.

The Flyers swept three-game season series three times -- in 1981-82, 1985-86 and 1992-93 -- and held the Hurricanes/Whalers without a win in seven of the previous 14 four-game season series, three of which saw Hartford/Carolina go 0-3-1.

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Bronx33
12-16-2007, 12:08 PM
Link
(http://www.courierpostonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071216/SPORTS04/712160379)

When Flyers general manager Paul Holmgren signed 22-year-old center Mike Richards to the richest ($69 million) and longest (12 years) contract in team history, he took several calculated gambles.

He gambled that Richards, who missed 23 games last season with a sports hernia and a separated shoulder, would remain healthy throughout the rest of his Flyers career.

He gambled that Richards, whose career high in points before this season was 34, would continue to develop as a point producer and eventual captain.

And he gambled that the NHL salary cap, which has climbed from $39 million to $44 million to $50.3 million since the end of the NHL lockout, would continue to escalate, allowing him to keep the young nucleus he has established through strong drafts and excellent trades.

Assuming there are no significant roster changes, the Flyers have committed roughly $44 million to next year's payroll. That figure excludes the $3.5 million the Flyers will pay Mike Rathje while he is on injured reserve and the $2.1 million they have committed to Denis Gauthier, who is likely to accept a buyout after this season.

All indications point to the NHL salary cap rising to about $55 million next season.

Theoretically, that would leave the Flyers about $11 million in cap space to sign unrestricted free-agent defenseman Jason Smith and restricted free agents Jeff Carter, R.J. Umberger, Randy Jones and Riley Cote.

Can they do it?

"We're going to have to be very creative," Flyers president Peter Luukko said.

Smith is the Flyers' top priority. At 34, he still plays a take-no-prisoners brand of defense and his quiet leadership cannot be overstated on a team that desperately needed -- and found -- a true captain.

Smith is in the final year of a deal that pays him $1.976 million and, despite his age, he should be in line for a three-year deal with an average salary in the $3 million range (perhaps $3.2, $3.2, $2.6).

Here's where it gets a little dicey.

Jeff Carter, who turns 23 next month, is in the final year of a three-year entry-level contract that pays him what Richards was getting before his mega-deal: $942,400.

From a statistical standpoint, Carter's numbers are very comparable to Richards. In 172 games he had 46 goals and 48 assists for 94 points.

Entering Saturday's action, Richards had 35 goals and 66 assists for 101 points in 166 games.

Granted, Carter does not kill penalties or take key faceoffs late in games and does not play on the first-unit power play. In fact, he plays about five fewer minutes a game than Richards.

But he is a dangerous offensive player with tremendous potential and is an integral part of the Flyers' future. Carter likely will request an escalating three- or four-year deal from the Flyers worth about $3 million a season.

The Flyers are likely to offer a one-year deal in the $2 million range to keep Carter away from the vultures of restricted free agency, then work on a lengthy extension if his play deems worthy next season.

Umberger, 25, is also in the final year of his entry-level contract and is getting paid $1.25 million this season. In 181 NHL games Umberger entered Saturday's action with 42 goals and 44 assists for 86 points.

Umberger brings a grittier element to his game than Carter and could be an alternate captain under Richards if he continues to develop as a leader.

Like Carter, Umberger would be an attractive player in the restricted free agent market and the Flyers will try to retain his rights for at least another season.

To keep him a Flyer for next season, the Flyers would likely need to give Umberger similar money to Carter, about $2 million or slightly more.

If Carter and/or Umberger decide they are worth more and hold out for long-term deals, the Flyers run the risk of losing one or both to restricted free agency, which could result in as many as four first-round draft picks as compensation.

Jones, 26, is having his best season as a pro this year. He entered the weekend leading the Flyers with a plus-10 rating. He's making $525,000 this season and will come close to doubling that salary as one of the starting six next season. Let's set his price at an even $1 million.

Cote, 25, is a fearless enforcer who stands up for his teammates and can get in on the forecheck without being a defensive liability. He's making $500,000 this season and would be more than happy to take a salary bump to around $700,000 next season.

If you add that up -- $3 million for Smith, $4 million for Carter and Umberger, and $1.7 million for Jones and Cote -- you're looking at an increase of $8.7 million toward next year's payroll.

That would bump the Flyers' payroll from $44 million to about $53 million.

The Flyers could easily do some salary shedding, if necessary. With defense prospect Ryan Parent ($850,000) looking as if he could be ready for the NHL next season and Derian Hatcher's 35-year-old knees giving him trouble, the Flyers could buy out the final $3.5 million on Hatcher's contract.

In a little more than a year, Holmgren has resurrected the Flyers from the worst team in the NHL to a possible contender. On Thursday he made an incredible leap of faith by securing the biggest piece of the Flyers' future for 12 more seasons.

FLYERS' CAP NUMBERS
2008-09

Daniel Briere: $6.5 million

Kimmo Timonen: $6.333 million

Mike Richards: $5.75 million

Simon Gagne: $5.25 million

Scott Hartnell: $4.2 million

Martin Biron: $3.5 million

Derian Hatcher: $3.5 million

Mike Knuble: $2.8 million

Joffrey Lupul: $2.535 million

Braydon Coburn: $1.3 million

Sami Kapanen: $1.25 million

Scottie Upshall: $1.225 million

Antero Niittymaki: $1.225 million

Lasse Kukkonen: $875,000

Steve Downie: $821,667

Ben Eager: $600,000

Total: $44,164,667

Projected salary cap: $55 million

phillybroncosnut
12-16-2007, 05:11 PM
yeah he is, and he is finally turning into what he was supposed to be, But i have to agree with bronx on this one, i think its too long too soon, with too much unproven. Its not just one good year as he sayd cuz he was putting up these kinds of numbers the last half of last year , but still, not even 1 full complete season and hes gets a contract like that.

Here is why I love the move....

Richards is the best 2 way player I've seen in a Flyer uni in a long long time. While he has not played in the NHl long, there is zero reason to think he will not be one of the best players in this league for a long time (He's already a top 10 all around player at only 22). The biggest worry is health. Not that he is injury prone but when you sign a player to 12 years, if he sustains a career ending injury, he is on your books for the duration of the contract. However, every team has to worry about the same thing as any player can get hurt.

Richards will average $5.75 million for the next 12 years. Imagine what a top tier player will average in 3 years.... Especially when you consider average to slightly above average players are gonna get $2-$3 million this upcoming season. In 3 years, Richards will probably be underpaid. Now, think about 8-10 years from now! That's why this is an incredible deal for the Flyers.

I imagine we will lose Carter or Umberger. I doubt both. Carter has been the speculation of trade rumors all year. I think they know they can't keep both. Carter is the correct choice to get rid of if they have to choose, as he only plays on one side of the ice. Umberger plays well in both aspects (O and D).

We have a ton of young talent that will slide right in to the lineup should we lose Carter (Potulny, Ruzicka, Tolpeko). In salary cap hockey, you can't keep everyone.

I wanted the Flyers to extend some players before the year was over. My top 3 choices in order were, Richards (done), Jason Smith, and RJ Umberger. 1 down, 2 to go.

phillybroncosnut
12-16-2007, 06:38 PM
http://flyers.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=346347

Flyers Respond to Penguins Coach Kevin Kurz philadelphiaflyers.com Dec 12, 2007, 2:25 PM EST Stevens, players disagree with ‘lack of respect’ assessment from Therrien

(Voorhees, NJ) – As heated as the game between Philadelphia and Pittsburgh was on the ice Tuesday night, the animosity continued in the postgame press conferences immediately following the 8-2 win by the Flyers.

John Stevens was not happy with the way the Penguins conducted themselves with the game already decided, while Pittsburgh coach Michel Therrien accused Stevens of showing a lack of respect towards his club by running up the score with his top power play unit on the ice late in the blowout victory.

Therrien got a chance to respond to Stevens’ comments on Tuesday night. Stevens had to wait for his turn until Wednesday afternoon after the Flyers’ practice at the Virtua Center Flyers Skate Zone.

The Flyers and Penguins combined for 126 penalty minutes in the 8-2 Philadelphia win on Tuesday night. (Jack Cassidy)

Needless to say, he disagreed with his counterpart’s assessment of the situation, and reiterated that he thinks the Penguins were trying to hurt his players.

“[Sami Kapanen] got elbowed in the head. [Mike] Richards got elbowed in the head by [Colby] Armstrong. The puck was long gone and [Georges] Laraque breaks his stick over I think it was [Lasse] Kukkonen. [Sidney] Crosby runs into Marty [Biron] and so does Laraque. When teams are going to just take liberties on you, if you don’t try to score, are you [telling them] to just keep taking liberties? That’s the way I look at it.

“I have a lot of respect for the Pittsburgh Penguins and their players, but I don’t have respect for what [they were doing]. If you’re going to go out there and take those kinds of penalties against us, why wouldn’t we try to score?”

Therrien said that he thought Stevens sending the Flyers’ best power play unit out in a 7-2 game, which included Danny Briere, was unnecessary. He added, “Even Briere did not want to go onto the ice.”

Briere got a good chuckle out of Therrien’s mind-reading abilities on Wednesday afternoon.

“How would he know?” rhetorically replied Briere. “What do you expect us to do? They’re breaking sticks over our players, and we’re supposed to just tell them, [that’s] ok?”

“I would be disrespecting my team if we didn’t put those guys out there,” added Stevens.

The players in the Flyers’ locker room also have no apologies for scoring eight times, including four goals in the last 21 minutes of play. After all, the Penguins recorded 8-2 and 8-4 wins last season en route to winning all eight games of the season series.

“It’s the NHL. It’s the best players in the world, and you don’t have to lay off anyone,” said Mike Knuble, who tallied on the power play late in the second period. “We want to show other people that when we get teams down we want to stay on top of them and not give them a chance to get back in it or show any mercy. It’s a good message to send not only in that game, but to the rest of the people watching.”

“When you get a power play, what are you supposed to do, just pass the puck around your own end? This is two professional hockey teams going against one another,” said Biron, who picked up his 13th victory of the season. “If you have a chance to score, you’re going to score.”

With the fireworks on and off the ice, the remaining five games against Pittsburgh this season now have an added dramatic element. The teams meet again on January 24 at the Wachovia Center.

“They’re going to be spirited games from here on out,” said Knuble.

phillybroncosnut
12-18-2007, 12:16 AM
THE Flyers dancing guy! Chad, you will see this guy when you go to the game on the 27th (I think that's the game you are going to). Anyway, this dude is hilarious! He sits way up, section 220 or so. They will put him on the big screen a little after the halfway point in the 3rd period. Here are a few samples I pulled from youtube. The guys gets the crowd going no matter the score!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ysvms8nbUWU


http://youtube.com/watch?v=xpTB48ZfO8o

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0Ujq0OGgEtI


http://youtube.com/watch?v=kXrn1I7r5WU

chadta
12-18-2007, 02:43 AM
change in plan pbn, due to the fact that im broke were gonna wait till spring to come down to a game. But we will make it this year.

phillybroncosnut
12-19-2007, 12:25 AM
Ben Eager has been traded to the Blackhawks for Jim Vandermeer. Vandermeer was traded 5 years ago for Alex Zhamnov. Good to see Jimmy return.

phillybroncosnut
12-21-2007, 01:08 AM
Me and little Philly (Nicky) at the game. Bastards asked if I wanted to take a "fan foto" for the Flyers website right after I took a big bite of a hot dog (pictured behind Nicky in my left hand). Nice pic of me with a mouthful.

http://www.printroom.com/ViewGalleryPhoto.asp?userid=flyersfanfoto&tcount=33&scount=31&gallery_id=936765&image_id=30

Bronx33
12-21-2007, 05:58 PM
Link
(http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=225661&hubname=)

John has built strong relationships with many of our young players as well as with the players that joined us over the summer,'' Flyers general manager Paul Holmgren said. ''We believe that he is the right coach to lead our team in a positive direction.''

Stevens was promoted from the Flyers AHL team on October 22, 2006. He had coached the Phantoms for six seasons, and won a Calder Cup championship in 2005.

''They have a long history of winning here and I am excited to be a part of that moving forward,'' Stevens said.

The Flyers are in fourth place in the Atlantic Division with a 16-13-3 mark, good for 35 points in 32 games.



Although the Flyers are the highest scoring team in the division, Stevens' group has been in the spotlight this season for rough play.

So far this season, the Flyers have had five players suspended for on-ice acts of violence: Steve Downie got 20 games for a head shot on Ottawa's Dean McAmmond; Jesse Boulerice got 25 games for a crosscheck to the head of Vancouver Ryan Kesler; Randy Jones got two games for a hit from behind on Boston's Patrice Bergeron; Scott Hartnell got two games for hitting Boston's Andrew Alberts' head into the boards when the player was on his knees and defenceless; and now Cote's high head-shot on Niskanen netted a three game suspension.

The league reportedly put the Flyers "on notice" in early December.

In his last full season as a coach in the AHL (2005-2006), the Phantoms led the AHL in penalty minutes with 2,380.

Earlier this season, the Flyers extended the contracts of Braydon Coburn and leading scorer Mike Richards. The Richards deal was notable, as it stretched out to 12 years. Coburn's deal was for two seasons.

Bronx33
12-22-2007, 12:06 PM
BUFFALO, N.Y. - The Buffalo Sabres spoiled two former teammates' homecoming, and picked up another two points in the standings.

Jochen Hecht snapped a late third-period tie, and Ryan Miller made 20 saves in his seventh consecutive start to help the Sabres beat the Philadelphia Flyers 3-2 on Friday night in the first game of a home-and-home series.

The win ruined the return to Buffalo for Daniel Briere, the former Sabres star who signed an eight-year, $52 million contract with the Flyers during the offseason. Briere failed to pick up a point and finished with a minus-2 rating.

Flyers goalie Martin Biron also made his first appearance in Buffalo since the Sabres traded him to Philadelphia in February.


But more importantly for the Sabres, they've matched a season high with their five-game winning streak and have won 12 of their last 16 after being just points away from the Eastern Conference basement two weeks ago.



"We didn't focus on those two players, we focused on the team," Hecht said. "We came in to have a good game. We're on a winning streak now and we've put together some games where we've found a way to win."

Hecht beat Biron with a backhander off a rebound with 2:51 remaining.

"It was a deflection that went off my shoulder," Biron said. "They got to it first and I think it went off a defenseman's skate."

Drew Stafford and Ales Kotalik also scored for the Sabres, who beat Philadelphia for the ninth time in the last 11 games played in Buffalo.

"We're gaining confidence," Miller said. "Our puck possession time has been a lot better in the last 12 games or so. We're playing smarter, and that gives us the puck more."

Jeff Carter and Joffrey Lupul scored for the Flyers. Philadelphia has lost five straight, its longest losing streak of the season.

It also was the fourth consecutive game they've squandered a lead, but the first time this season they lost when leading after two periods.

"We're a young team," Briere said. "We're still in the stages of trying to learn how to stay patient and find ways to win."

There were plenty of "Welcome Back Danny" signs scattered throughout the crowd, but perhaps the best sign was held up by three young girls and said, "All I want for Christmas is Briere in a Sabres jersey." The good feelings, however, ended once the game began, with the crowd booing Briere every time he touched the puck.

"It was what I expected," Briere said.

The Sabres opened the scoring on Stafford's eighth of the season. Stafford's backhander off a rebound bounced off Biron and barely crossed the goal line with 2:05 left in the first period. The goal was upheld after a long review.

Philadelphia tied it 2:13 into the second on Carter's 10th of the season. With the teams playing four-aside, Carter slipped a wrist shot through Miller's legs after he had a partial breakaway off a nice feed from Scott Hartnell.

The Flyers pushed their edge to 2-1 45 seconds later on Lupul's 13th goal. On the power play, Lupul picked up a loose puck in the slot and lifted it over Miller.

Buffalo tied it on the power play 4:30 into the third on Kotalik's 10th goal.

Biron finished with 32 saves.

Notes: The teams will play again in Philadelphia on Saturday night. . Sabres C Tim Connolly is sick and didn't play. . Philadelphia D Randy Jones missed the third period with a lower body injury. . Sabres backup goalie Jocelyn Thibault broke his nose while sitting on the bench, but coach Lindy Ruff believes Thibault will be available for Saturday's game. . Flyers D Jim Vandermeer made his Philadelphia debut after being acquired from Chicago on Tuesday in a trade involving LW Ben Eager. . Biron was Buffalo's first-round pick in 1995.

phillybroncosnut
12-23-2007, 01:52 PM
Wow. We got jobbed last night Chad. Did you see the icing call with 14 seconds left in regulation? Richards took the puck from our end and lobbed it out to the neutral zone. The puck was slowly sliding down to the goalline with a Sabres player right behind it. The defenseman blatantly slowed down and Pat Dipuzzo (A focking embarassment to all Italians everywhere) calls icing. I thought the arena was gonna collapse when he made that call. Even John Stevens went ape chit!
Sure enough, the Sabres win the draw and score with 7 second left. Whatever. I guess it was an X-mas gift from that focking WOP Dipuzzo.
I won't even get into the 12 straight PP minutes the Sabres had in the 2nd period (including 3 straight 5 on 3's). Interestingly enough, the Flyers scored 2 SH goals in that time.

This team is a year or 2 away from being a real threat. It would be nice to get some playoff experience this season though. They are so freaking young.

Jeff Carter: 22
Gagne: 27
Lupol: 24
Hartnell: 25
Richards: 22
Tolpeko: 22
Upshall: 24
Umberger: 25
Coburn: 22
Kukkonen: 25
Randy Jones: 26

The core is so young yet has all the potential. I am starting to lean in the direction of trying to trade Hatcher and Knuble to free up some cap room. hatcher is due in the upper $3 million while Knuble is in the lower $3 million. I'd like to keep both but we aren't gonna be good enough to win anything significant this year or probably next year. Clear some space and get youth in return.
This team is a joy to watch but they can be so frustrating at times. Like the Broncos this season, i keep reminding myself how young they are and to be patient. The good times are close and the great times are not that much further.

Bronx33
12-23-2007, 02:33 PM
Wow. We got jobbed last night Chad. Did you see the icing call with 14 seconds left in regulation? Richards took the puck from our end and lobbed it out to the neutral zone. The puck was slowly sliding down to the goalline with a Sabres player right behind it. The defenseman blatantly slowed down and Pat Dipuzzo (A focking embarassment to all Italians everywhere) calls icing. I thought the arena was gonna collapse when he made that call. Even John Stevens went ape chit!
Sure enough, the Sabres win the draw and score with 7 second left. Whatever. I guess it was an X-mas gift from that focking WOP Dipuzzo.
I won't even get into the 12 straight PP minutes the Sabres had in the 2nd period (including 3 straight 5 on 3's). Interestingly enough, the Flyers scored 2 SH goals in that time.

This team is a year or 2 away from being a real threat. It would be nice to get some playoff experience this season though. They are so freaking young.

Jeff Carter: 22
Gagne: 27
Lupol: 24
Hartnell: 25
Richards: 22
Tolpeko: 22
Upshall: 24
Umberger: 25
Coburn: 22
Kukkonen: 25
Randy Jones: 26

The core is so young yet has all the potential. I am starting to lean in the direction of trying to trade Hatcher and Knuble to free up some cap room. hatcher is due in the upper $3 million while Knuble is in the lower $3 million. I'd like to keep both but we aren't gonna be good enough to win anything significant this year or probably next year. Clear some space and get youth in return.
This team is a joy to watch but they can be so frustrating at times. Like the Broncos this season, i keep reminding myself how young they are and to be patient. The good times are close and the great times are not that much further.



I watched that game ( i thought it was a great game) very entertaining you gotta give buffalo credit those guys played hard and richards is a badass..

phillybroncosnut
12-23-2007, 02:50 PM
I watched that game ( i thought it was a great game) very entertaining you gotta give buffalo credit those guys played hard.


The game was very entertaining. One of the best I've been to in a while. Buffalo played well. Dipuzzo is an embarassment though. I've never seen a linesman signal icing, then waive it off, and then call icing while the player is coasting to the puck.
It's ashame such a great game was ruined by a moron linesman.

Edit: due to seeing your added "richards is a badass". Just when i thought I couldn't like Mike Richards anymore then I already do, he does somthing that makes me like him even more. He is such an incredible 2 way player. He was litertally, on the ice for what seemed to be 9 straight minutes during the second period when the refs continued to call penalties on the Flyers. He is one of the best PK I've seen and then he goes and ripes one by Miller on a SH rush. The kid is really something special. Did you hear that he took the entire team to dinner after signing his deal. Pretty cool gesture.

chadta
12-23-2007, 04:03 PM
yeah i saw the game, was on the edge of my seat, and yeah the icing call sucked, but if we win that last faceoff it dosent matter.

good time to get the slump out of the way, long as they get it straight before they fall to far out of things, i didnt watch the shootout but i cant tell you how surprised i was to find out we lost it.

bring on the laffs on the 27th.

merry christmas everybody

phillybroncosnut
12-26-2007, 12:24 PM
Andrew Peters might not want to drop the gloves with Riley Cote any more. 2 fights and I don't think he's landed a punch yet (unless you count the one after Cote Knocked him down and he rolled on Cote and threw a punch while they were down). 2 firghts (Not great but Cote handled Peter both times. the second fight, you have to weed through about 35 seconds of them having a good hold of each others jersey. Cote lands one punch and thats all he needed. Enjoy:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CgVyQ-IU0JM&feature=related


http://youtube.com/watch?v=J4EsBvro_V0&feature=related

phillybroncosnut
12-30-2007, 06:11 PM
Going for 3 wins in a row tonight. @ Florida 7pm. Nitty will be in net and unfortunately, Jason Smith is out.

Hopefully we can keep the Momentum going tonight.

GO FLYERS!

chadta
12-30-2007, 08:49 PM
dood it was a 5pm start

we held on to win 1-0

broncos won in overtime just after hatcher scored the only goal of the game, so i got to watch the last 5 minutes of the game.

nitty played great for the shutout, even stpping a penalty shot

phillybroncosnut
12-30-2007, 10:32 PM
dood it was a 5pm start

we held on to win 1-0

broncos won in overtime just after hatcher scored the only goal of the game, so i got to watch the last 5 minutes of the game.

nitty played great for the shutout, even stpping a penalty shot

Nitty is great 1 on 1. I think the Flyers should use him for shootouts. For some reason, Biron blows in the shootout and Nitty is great.

3 in a row. !Booya!

chadta
12-30-2007, 11:18 PM
everythings coming up chad today, first i smuggled back a couple hundred dollars worth of beer, and other stuff today from buffalo, then the broncos win, and minutes later the flyers win. 3 strikes im out, good way to end the year tho.

:strong:

phillybroncosnut
12-31-2007, 04:46 PM
Nice read here Chad. It will help kill the time before our next game which isn't until Friday. This is a piece that was posted on a Panther message board by a Panther fan who attended the Hurricanes at Flyers game. Apparently he is a pilot who had a lay over in Philly so he went to the game.
It's really well written and gives a pretty good, unbiased analysis of a game in Philly.

http://forums.floridapanthers.com/index.php?showtopic=1298

phillybroncosnut
01-03-2008, 10:38 PM
Rumblings out of Philly are that Peter Forsberg is cautiously optomistic that he will be cleared to play by doctors and his destination will be Philadelphia. Wow, it's so hard to not be excited but I am trying to subdue some of my enthusiasum so i'm not disappointed if it falls through.
It will be great to get 2 of the best players in the NHL back on the ice (Gagne and Forsberg) for a late season push.

Think this is a coincidence? Today, the Flyers waived Center Jim Dowd and Defenseman Rory Fitzpatrick. Hmmmmm.... I wonder why?

Bronx33
01-05-2008, 09:05 PM
Darien Hatcher Accused of Biting Travis Zajac

The Devils accused Philadelphia defenseman Derian Hatcher of biting Zajac's finger through the glove during the second period of New Jersey's 3-0 victory over the Flyers in Newark last night.


Hatcher was not penalized for the alleged act, which surely will bring an investigation by NHL VP Colin Campbell.


"If he's cut, good, but I didn't bite him," Hatcher said.


Hatcher claimed Zajac face-washed him with his glove, which caught on one of Hatcher's teeth.


Zajac, who returned to action in the third after the middle finger of his left hand was stitched up, said Hatcher didn't say anything to him.


"My finger was in his mouth, so I don't think he could," Zajac said. "There was a scrum in front and I guess my hand got close to his mouth and he bit me."

phillybroncosnut
01-05-2008, 09:57 PM
what a joke. Devils are fags. Shove your glove in the face of a player and you get what you deserve.

phillybroncosnut
01-06-2008, 01:52 PM
Great win tonight. Awesome game. The Flyers HAVE to start figuring out how to limit the shots on goal by the opposing team. Nitty faced 56 shots last night! Thats a record for a Flyers goalie in a regulation game. In fact, that may be the most in any game. I remember Brian Boucher faced (I think) 55 shots in that 5 OT game against Pittsburgh when Primeau scored to give the Flyers the win in the 5th OT.
Nitty may be starting to open up a "goalie controversy". He has been outstanding in his last 2 starts. 96 shots on goal and only 2 goals giving up in his last 2 starts.

It was an all Ontario night in Toronto last night as Stev Downie, Jeff Carter and Mike Richards accounted for all 3 Flyers goals. All 3 are from Ontario.

GO FLYERS!

Bronx33
01-06-2008, 06:54 PM
Bush league (http://www.the700level.com/2008/01/downie-punches.html)

phillybroncosnut
01-06-2008, 07:26 PM
Bush league (http://www.the700level.com/2008/01/downie-punches.html)

What's bush league? Like no one ever throws a punch when the linesmen arrive. Like boxing, protect yourselves at all times.

Hey Bronx.... You have such a hard on for the Flyers bro. Why don't you pull the clip where Braydon Coburn got boarded last night resulting in Coburns eyebrow exploding. No penalty at all. If it's a Flyer, it's 5 minute major, game misconduct and a suspension. NO DOUBT. Crawl under the same rock as Colin Campbell bro.

chadta
01-06-2008, 09:01 PM
Hey Bronx.... You have such a hard on for the Flyers bro. Why don't you pull the clip where Braydon Coburn got boarded last night resulting in Coburns eyebrow exploding. No penalty at all. If it's a Flyer, it's 5 minute major, game misconduct and a suspension. NO DOUBT. Crawl under the same rock as Colin Campbell bro.

i seem to recall saying this for the first 3 months of the season and being told to stop it, now your finally starting to see the light.

as for bronx with his bush league comment, if he was talking about the ref hes right, if you cant completely tie up both guys stay the hell out so nobody ends up crying like blake did.

and just like i make the hit he made on mcammond in preseason, i take that shot at blake too,every friggin time. I like this downie kid, its alot easier to teach psychos control then it is to teach pussies to be aggressive.

phillybroncosnut
01-06-2008, 09:06 PM
i seem to recall saying this for the first 3 months of the season and being told to stop it, now your finally starting to see the light.

as for bronx with his bush league comment, if he was talking about the ref hes right, if you cant completely tie up both guys stay the hell out so nobody ends up crying like blake did.

and just like i make the hit he made on mcammond in preseason, i take that shot at blake too,every friggin time. I like this downie kid, its alot easier to teach psychos control then it is to teach pussies to be aggressive.


I hear ya but I was referring to the suspension part of the arguement. I didn't care that every boarderline hit was garnering a suspension.
Now, I am referring to every little thing a Flyer player does, the Lone avs fan on the board comes in to take a shot at the Flyers.
If Bronx did it with every team, it wouldn't matter. He either has too much time on his hands and has to comment on everything a Flyer player does or he has a bug up his ass about the Flyers. Either way, I just wish he would stop with the whining on the Flyers thread. Take that chit to the general hockey thread. It's getting tiresome.

He wasn't talking about the refs. He was talking about Downie. Although, I do agree with you that the refs "eff'ed" up by not completely tying the players up. Bronx was whining that Downie threw the extra punch. Happens all the time. Not sure what Hockey he is watching.

Downie is a losse cannon for sure. He has talent though. I like his mean streak. He HAS to control it though. It's getting him a bad rep, which I don't mind but, the penalties will come at a fast pace with that rep.

phillybroncosnut
01-06-2008, 09:40 PM
Bad news on the Lupol front, Chad. He has an injured spinal cord and mild concussion after Darrien Hatcher goes for the KO on a Leafs players and Lup's winds up taking the worst of it. Here it is:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Teq75HvZYC4

phillybroncosnut
01-06-2008, 09:42 PM
Don Cherry is funny. Watch this. In one breath he says "Kids don't ever do this" and in another, he says "Do it to a bigger player".

I'm wondering what Cherry's take on Tie Domi is. Bet he liked him.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=L_S-00EH8fo

chadta
01-06-2008, 10:32 PM
he loved him

Bronx33
01-07-2008, 04:59 PM
What's bush league? Like no one ever throws a punch when the linesmen arrive. Like boxing, protect yourselves at all times.

Hey Bronx.... You have such a hard on for the Flyers bro. Why don't you pull the clip where Braydon Coburn got boarded last night resulting in Coburns eyebrow exploding. No penalty at all. If it's a Flyer, it's 5 minute major, game misconduct and a suspension. NO DOUBT. Crawl under the same rock as Colin Campbell bro.

Hard on? iam sorry everytime some player does something stupid it always seems to be a flyers player (not my fault) downies free punch was bush league iam sorry, i didn't see the coburn hit (sorry) why don't you post it.

phillybroncosnut
01-07-2008, 07:35 PM
Hard on? iam sorry everytime some player does something stupid it always seems to be a flyers player (not my fault) downies free punch was bush league iam sorry, i didn't see the coburn hit (sorry) why don't you post it.

I don't need to post it. Your the king of "let's find the cheap shot clips and post em". Funny, the only one's you post are Flyers. Yep, never a cheap shot or illegal hit's in the league. Only Flyers players do it :juggle:

Bronx33
01-07-2008, 07:45 PM
I don't need to post it. Your the king of "let's find the cheap shot clips and post em". Funny, the only one's you post are Flyers. Yep, never a cheap shot or illegal hit's in the league. Only Flyers players do it :juggle:


Well you are one of the few teams on this thread correct? i thought i would post stuff pertaining to our teams also i don't see the news outlets running stories about the other teams cheapsshot (the flyers have cornered the f****** market) if they did i would post em! now quit your crying about nothing dude all you flyers fans are on the defense understandably plus you got me all wrong but that don't stop you does it now knock off the baby shyt.

phillybroncosnut
01-07-2008, 07:46 PM
Oh alright, I'll post it. Interestingly enough, it's nowhere to be found on youtube. A fellow Flyer Fan fowarded this to me. The hit, which TSN skated right by, is 28 seconds into the video. The don't even show Coburn's eyebrow exploding. They just show him on the bench getting looked at. Again, the it is 28 sefconds into the main video. The first 15 seconds is of the Canadian Jr's.
I guess since Coburn didn't ACT like he was killed, he didn't get the penalty call. BS

http://broadband.tsn.ca/tsn/?vid=25786

Bronx33
01-07-2008, 07:48 PM
Oh alright, I'll post it. Interestingly enough, it's nowhere to be found on youtube. A fellow Flyer Fan fowarded this to me. The hit, which TSN skated right by, is 28 seconds into the video. The don't even show Coburn's eyebrow exploding. They just show him on the bench getting looked at. Again, the it is 28 sefconds into the main video. The first 15 seconds is of the Canadian Jr's.
I guess since Coburn didn't ACT like he was killed, he didn't get the penalty call. BS

http://broadband.tsn.ca/tsn/?vid=25786


I looked too i couldn't find it.

phillybroncosnut
01-07-2008, 07:49 PM
Well you are one of the few teams on this thread correct? i thought i would post stuff pertaining to our teams also i don't see the news outlets running stories about the other teams cheapsshot (the flyers have cornered the ******* market) if they did i would post em! now quit your crying about nothing dude all you flyers fans are on the defense understandably plus you got me all wrong but that don't stop you does it now knock off the baby shyt.


It really doesn't matter to me what you think. I was just telling you to stuff the BS up your arse. You, like Gary Bettman and Colin Campbell have giant hard-on's for the Flyers. You all are pathetic.
Waaaaaa, the Flyers hit to hard. Waaaaa, the Flyers take sucker punches. Waaaa Waaaa focking Waaaaa. P*ssies! All of you!

phillybroncosnut
01-07-2008, 07:51 PM
Let me clarrify something here. I don't mind the hit on Coburn. In fact, I like it. However, If you are gonna suspend 1 team repeatedly for the exact same hit, how the FOCK can you not even call a penalty for the exact same hit? That's the beef.
I'll wait for an answer but there is no way ANYONE in their right mind can justify it.

Bronx33
01-07-2008, 07:57 PM
It really doesn't matter to me what you think. I was just telling you to stuff the BS up your arse. You, like Gary Bettman and Colin Campbell have giant hard-on's for the Flyers. You all are pathetic.
Waaaaaa, the Flyers hit to hard. Waaaaa, the Flyers take sucker punches. Waaaa Waaaa focking Waaaaa. P*ssies! All of you!


Your no bigger hockey fan than iam so get off your broadstreet bully bull crap speech soapbox iam tired of side stepping shyt so you and chada don't throw fits. You two look like fools the way you look at the game and what you think your team should get away with even you goddamn GM lambasted downie. (there are unwritten rules sunshine) and your boys are testing everyone of them.

"He's part of a team now and needs to think in those terms and not selfishly. I'm upset. It was Jason Blake. Jason is not a fighter. You get a player in that position and I don't [think] Jason had his gloves off. I'm not happy about either. The fact that Steve put his team down is a different issue. That's a selfish thing. He'll get better."
— Flyers GM Paul Holmgren

phillybroncosnut
01-07-2008, 08:10 PM
Your no bigger hockey fan than iam so get off your broadstreet bully bull crap speech soapbox iam tired of side stepping shyt so you and chada don't throw fits. You two look like fools the way you look at the game and what you think your team should get away with even you goddamn GM lambasted downie. (there are unwritten rules sunshine) and your boys are testing everyone of them.

"He's part of a team now and needs to think in those terms and not selfishly. I'm upset. It was Jason Blake. Jason is not a fighter. You get a player in that position and I don't [think] Jason had his gloves off. I'm not happy about either. The fact that Steve put his team down is a different issue. That's a selfish thing. He'll get better."
— Flyers GM Paul Holmgren


When did I say I was a bigger hockey fan then you? When did I say that? Show me! Tell me! You can't because I never did.

Now, on to Downie..... I, just like most Flyer fans that I talk to agree that Downie is out of control at times. He needs to get his chit together and pick and choose when he losses his mind on the ice. I even posted something like that earlier. Did you read it or do you pick and choose which posts to read much like you pick and choose which illegal hits you post?

Im not gonna sit and defend Downie here. However, I've seen what Downie did a million times in my Hockey fan life. Does it make it right? No, but, it happens. Claude LaPewww, Tie Dummy, Matthew Barnafag, Darius Kasperdickhead, Nancy Tucker..... I could go on and on and on. They are all dirty but they all have a place in the league. If they didn't have a place they wouldn't have been or continue to play in the NHL.

No that that is over. I'm still waiting to hear how the same hit on Coburn, which lead to numerous suspensions, wasn't even called a penalty.

chadta
01-07-2008, 08:28 PM
for the love of god would you please stop calling it a sucker punch, it was a scrum, they were engaged in an altercation, it was a shot, maybe even a late shot, but it was not a sucker punch. Do you even know what a sucker punch is ?

this is a sucker punch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTM8ocJJkY4)

1:50 of this is pretty good too (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yMgmSQbC0Y)

you might recognize this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz9RE9RGrVY)

do you understand yet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-mOptLjElc)

that last one is good, listen to them talking about how you have to expect something to be coming after you go to the net like that. Did you actually see what led to the downie blake thing ? the fact that blake crashed the net hard for what the third time with no penalty being called, not to mention that just 3 months ago he was calling for downie to be thrown out of the league.

there is a penalty for what happened, and it was givin, 2 minutes for roughing, nothing more. this crying for it to be reviewed was stupid. Aparently the nhl agrees as there was no further punishment so get over it.

I see pbn is getting to the point i was at 3 months ago, consistancy is the key, much like there was nothing wrong with jones hit on bergeron, there was nothing wrong with kubina on coburn, BUT if your going to suspend for one then you have to suspend for the other end of story.

Bronx33
01-08-2008, 04:02 PM
When did I say I was a bigger hockey fan then you? When did I say that? Show me! Tell me! You can't because I never did.

Now, on to Downie..... I, just like most Flyer fans that I talk to agree that Downie is out of control at times. He needs to get his chit together and pick and choose when he losses his mind on the ice. I even posted something like that earlier. Did you read it or do you pick and choose which posts to read much like you pick and choose which illegal hits you post?

Im not gonna sit and defend Downie here. However, I've seen what Downie did a million times in my Hockey fan life. Does it make it right? No, but, it happens. Claude LaPewww, Tie Dummy, Matthew Barnafag, Darius Kasperdickhead, Nancy Tucker..... I could go on and on and on. They are all dirty but they all have a place in the league. If they didn't have a place they wouldn't have been or continue to play in the NHL.

No that that is over. I'm still waiting to hear how the same hit on Coburn, which lead to numerous suspensions, wasn't even called a penalty.



It really doesn't matter to me what you think. I was just telling you to stuff the BS up your arse. You, like Gary Bettman and Colin Campbell have giant hard-on's for the Flyers. You all are pathetic.
Waaaaaa, the Flyers hit to hard. Waaaaa, the Flyers take sucker punches. Waaaa Waaaa focking Waaaaa. P*ssies! All of you!

You don't have to say it this entire statement reaks of iam better than you i read from every flyer fan on every site (it's a mind set) and a handy copy/paste response is see everywhere the fact that you all defended most of the hits this year saying the league are pu$$ies the other fans are pu$$ies is simply weak. You should read all the idiots defending downie of HF it's almost comical that most flyer fans are basically clueless as to what is right and wrong when it comes to legal and illegal and cheap and not cheap shots. I love big legal hits i love physical hockey just like any flyer fan but dammit you gotta keep it clean or somebody is going to end up in a wheel chair (that's why colin jumps) on the flyers so fast.


Then i simply post a clip and i get this:

What's bush league? Like no one ever throws a punch when the linesmen arrive. Like boxing, protect yourselves at all times

(It was bushleague) this is stuff you see in the bush leagues no if ands or buts.

then chada chips in with:

as for bronx with his bush league comment, if he was talking about the ref hes right, if you cant completely tie up both guys stay the hell out so nobody ends up crying like blake did.



what the hell is this suppose to tell any other hockey fan? well it tells me chata really didn't care about blake getting cheapshotted in the first place but would be crying bloody murder if it happened to flyer player. Blake has plenty of room to complain (anybody would have) he just recieved a cheapshot which goes against the unwritten rule that when the ref comes in and ties you up (quit throwing punches) heck downie was even sitting on his a** the fight was clearly over and on top of that blake still had his gloves on.

And then this:

and just like i make the hit he made on mcammond in preseason, i take that shot at blake too,every friggin time. I like this downie kid, its alot easier to teach psychos control then it is to teach pussies to be aggressive

Are you catching my drift here on the flyer fan mentality that may run folks the wrong way? stuff like this is simple clueless and narrow minded i read stuff like this on every flyer site.


As far as don cherries comments i really don't like the dude but everything he said was right (everything) and you made fun of that like he was wrong or something. Now this is just a sample of what we have to read and deal with here and on top of that grilled when we don't agree with that mindset. Heck i even got shyt for posting an artical about sid and his fight being told i need to quit (advertising) what ever the **** that meant. I post info pertaining to the few teams we have on this site iam not picking on anybody the flyers just seem to be in the news every freaking week is that my fault? and yes i have an opinion once in awhile (deal with it)


peace

chadta
01-08-2008, 05:08 PM
ya know, im not even gonna repsond, until you can figure out how to type my name right.

back to talk about real hockey

rumor is that gagne will be back on thursday, good thing to with lupul being out 2 weeks (at least)

Bronx33
01-08-2008, 06:19 PM
ya know, im not even gonna repsond, until you can figure out how to type my name right.

back to talk about real hockey

rumor is that gagne will be back on thursday, good thing to with lupul being out 2 weeks (at least)


Ohhh the irony..

phillybroncosnut
01-08-2008, 09:00 PM
Bronx..... You just don't see the point. Fine, Downie's "rabbit punch" was dirty. I agree. I have a question pertaining to Don Cherry since you defend his comments. How can he say "it was one of the dirtiest things he's ever seen" when he loved Tie Domi. Remember what Domi did to Ulf about 10 years ago? The total sucker punch while his gloves were on and Ulf wasn't looking? That was (save for McSorely on Brashear), the dirtiest thing I've seen. Also, how can Don Cherry say "Kids, NEVER EVER EVER EVER do that" (What downie did) and then at the end of his thought say "There are certain guys in the league you can do that to but not Blake"? What the hell is that? Talk about talking out of both sides of your mouth!
Now, you defended Cherry on "EVERYTHING". How can you defend what I just addressed?

Also, stop taking chit so personal. I have no idea how you turned my quote into meaning "I know more about hockey". Colin Campbell has a hard on for the Flyers because, whether you know it or not, Colin coached the Rangers for a few years. The Flyers/Rangers have one of the best rivalries in all of sports. Campbell hated the Flyers then and he carried that with him to his new Position (No, not bent over Bettman's desk, his other NHL position)).
I have no idea how much Hockey you know or don't know. I really don't care.

Now, to the point that I have been trying to make and I still haven't gotten an answer to from you. How was the hit on Colburn not a penalty when 2 Flyers had similar hits this season and gotten suspended for? That's all I want to know. Can you give me an answer? If this were the Av's, would you share my same point of view?
Flyers fans just want consistency. that's all. Most are okay with the suspensions. Like I said all along, I welcome them. That said, it's total BS that what's called for one team is not called for the entire league. Think about it.

phillybroncosnut
01-08-2008, 09:10 PM
Out for the Flyers tonight @ Atlanta....
Gagne, Lupol, Jason Smith, and Scottie Upshall. WOW!

It's gonna be tough to get a W tonight. Nitty gets his second straight start between the pipes tonight. Go Antero!

chadta
01-08-2008, 09:41 PM
Out for the Flyers tonight @ Atlanta....
Gagne, Lupol, Jason Smith, and Scottie Upshall. WOW!

It's gonna be tough to get a W tonight. Nitty gets his second straight start between the pipes tonight. Go Antero!

and yet after falling behind 1-0 in the first, the dirtiest player ever to play the game of hockey aka steve downie scores to tie it up, then jeff carter scores 2 goals in 13 seconds, and then hartnell scores a shorthanded goal with .9 seconds left in the period, were up 4-1 at teh end of 2

phillybroncosnut
01-08-2008, 09:43 PM
Game update.....

Through 2 periods, Your Philadelphia Flyers lead the Ilya Thrashers 4-1.

Goals by Mr Lady Byng Steve Downie, Jeff Carter 2, and Scott Hartnell. Hartnell's goal came shorthanded with less then 1 second left in the second period. Nitty with another stellar performance 1-19. Look out Marty!

phillybroncosnut
01-08-2008, 09:44 PM
and yet after falling behind 1-0 in the first, the dirtiest player ever to play the game of hockey aka steve downie scores to tie it up, then jeff carter scores 2 goals in 13 seconds, and then hartnell scores a shorthanded goal with .9 seconds left in the period, were up 4-1 at teh end of 2

Wow, nice timing bro. I started to read your post thinking it was mine. I was like... "I didn't type that". It turns out that I didn't.

What do you think Chad? Nitty gonna steal Marty's job?

chadta
01-08-2008, 10:31 PM
im all in favor of playing the hot hand, let them battel it out, i like the idea of going into the playoffs with 2 goalies that each played 40 and hope one of them is hot, knowing we can put the other guy in if need be, like the ducks of last year, or the hurricanes the year before, thats a better option then letting biron play 70 and be totally beat, and not letting nitty have any time and tossing him in when he needs to play, well see who plays thursday

phillybroncosnut
01-08-2008, 10:33 PM
I don't care what the people in Atlanta say. My 3 stars are:

1-Jeff Carter (2 G)
2-Scott Hartnell (1 G 2A)
3-Nitty (27 saves)

Hmmmm, Nitty has given up only 3 goals in his last 3 starts on 124 shots on goal. Ohhhhhh MARTY!!!!

phillybroncosnut
01-08-2008, 10:38 PM
im all in favor of playing the hot hand, let them battel it out, i like the idea of going into the playoffs with 2 goalies that each played 40 and hope one of them is hot, knowing we can put the other guy in if need be, like the ducks of last year, or the hurricanes the year before, thats a better option then letting biron play 70 and be totally beat, and not letting nitty have any time and tossing him in when he needs to play, well see who plays thursday


I really beleive the Flyers burned Marty out a bit early this season. he was playing way too much. This aint Marty Brodeur. Only Brodeur can go 80 games without missing a beat. I always said that Brodeur is the best goalie I've ever seen (sorry Av fans) and that's just a small reason why.

Anyway, Nitty needs time in net. He looked terrible earlier because he never got any PT. I agree with you. I don't mind seeing a 1a and 1a goaltending situation as oppossed to a clear cut 1 and 2. Both Marty and Nitty are pretty close in talent. Marty is bigger but Nitty is more athletic. Who knows. That's why they play a whole season. May the best man win. I like both so I am not cheering for either or. i just want the Goalie that gives us the best chance, whoever that may be.

chadta
01-09-2008, 04:31 PM
hey pbn check this out

clarke loved the downie punch (http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=226849&hubname=)

its about time somebody in the organization stood up and said good for you guys, keep playing that way, i cant wait for off the record today now.

video will be up on the tsn site after 6pm eastern

Bronx33
01-10-2008, 12:37 AM
Clarke is an idiot nice job to condone classless cheap shots lets just see what happens when downie decides to fight somebody that is looking at him or not facing the other way. (I guess downies class even gets shared with his own 16 year old teamates) hes just begging for a world class a**beating and iam sure he will get it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFMDWuepG7Y