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Meck77
10-09-2008, 09:35 AM
I was just curious as to how strongly you feel that Obama will lead America back to glory.
Or are you voting for him as the lesser of two evils.
TailgateNut
10-09-2008, 09:43 AM
To undo the damage your hero did to us over the past 8 years will tkae more than one term in office. I think at this point in American history we can only hope to turn the direction and slowly crawl out of the mess we are in. I also believe that considering the options for president, I place my future in the hands of someone who genuinely cares for America and it's citizens. I also believe that of the two, only one is educated and willing to listen to outside advisors when making policy decisions. In addition, McCain has shown in many instances in the past, that he cannot be trusted.
In addition, one must also look at the "second in command", especially in regards to the "ancient one", and the possibilty of Palin being president scares the **** out of me.
Meck77
10-09-2008, 09:46 AM
Who's hero?
DBruleU
10-09-2008, 10:02 AM
Who's hero?
Remember, if you don't bash repubs in every post, you are automatically a Bush supporter, and pure evil.
JCMElway
10-09-2008, 10:06 AM
Remember, if you don't bash repubs in every post, you are automatically a Bush supporter, and pure evil.
Yeah? So, what's your point? ;)
Arkie
10-09-2008, 10:28 AM
You left off the option that it will be worse. The Fed is running out of magic tricks that created the "house of cards" rise beginning in the 1980's. We won't be back to these unrealistic levels for decades. Even Ron Paul would admit that it would be worse even if he was president. Although he would be more likely to soften the landing.
http://www.nyse.tv/dow-jones-industrial-average-djia-history.gif
I'm fairly certain that he's going to deliver a "New Deal" kind of economic, social, and energy overhaul. 50 years from now Republicans (or whatever party takes their place) will cry about his "socialist policies" but he'll bring about the kind of reform needed to usher in another golden age for America, akin to the late 40's to early 60's, much like FDR.
Is it because I think he's some sort of messiah? Hell no. But we stand on the precipice of historic times for the entire world and of all the politicians I've heard speak he's the only one who gets it. The entire global economy is circling the drain and the nations that will prevail and be the next generation of world super powers are those who lead the way in the new green and renewable techonologies that liberates the world from fossil fuels.
That is the core of Obama's plan and that is something I strongly believe in. I disagree with some of his other beliefs, some very strongly, but we share a core belief about where the world is heading and where this nation needs to head within that framework to stay the super power that it has peviously always been.
If we don't move in that direction, and I've seen nothing from John McCain to suggest that he has any desire to do so (quite the contrary in fact, voting against ~90% of all bills that would've encouraged renewable and green technologies over his 26 years in the senate), this nation will not be a economic super power within 40 years. China and Brazil will have far surpassed us by then and I wouldn't be entirely surprised if we ourselves start a third world war, using our vast military to try and take what others rightfully developed while we had our heads in the sand about the future of this planet.
Just my personal take on it, and its why I'll be checking the box next to Obama's name when my absentee ballot arrives.
Atlas
10-09-2008, 11:18 AM
I was just curious as to how strongly you feel that Obama will lead America back to glory.
Or are you voting for him as the lesser of two evils.
It took Bush 8 years to totally ruin this country I imagine it's going to take more than 4 years to put it back together again.
cutthemdown
10-09-2008, 11:27 AM
Most of my liberal friends don't seem to confident because they say things like it's so bad no one can make it better in 4 yrs. Seems to me Obama will lower expectations if he wins very quickly. He will backtrack on the tax cut for middle class and instead slightly raise them. Health care reform he will say will have to wait.
But it may not hurt him if he can blame it all on Bush and say things were just in worst shape then i thought and you don't know those things until you are President.
cutthemdown
10-09-2008, 11:28 AM
It took Bush 8 years to totally ruin this country I imagine it's going to take more than 4 years to put it back together again.
Bush economy did pretty well for 6 of the yrs.
IMO Americans won't tolerate Obama if he does nothing good over 4 yrs and just sits around and blames Bush for it.
Dems will have to realize they are leading now and they will be expected to get stuff done and get economy turned around.
What a joke it would be to have a slow economy 4 yrs from now and still blame it on Bush.
cutthemdown
10-09-2008, 11:31 AM
I'm fairly certain that he's going to deliver a "New Deal" kind of economic, social, and energy overhaul. 50 years from now Republicans (or whatever party takes their place) will cry about his "socialist policies" but he'll bring about the kind of reform needed to usher in another golden age for America, akin to the late 40's to early 60's, much like FDR.
Is it because I think he's some sort of messiah? Hell no. But we stand on the precipice of historic times for the entire world and of all the politicians I've heard speak he's the only one who gets it. The entire global economy is circling the drain and the nations that will prevail and be the next generation of world super powers are those who lead the way in the new green and renewable techonologies that liberates the world from fossil fuels.
That is the core of Obama's plan and that is something I strongly believe in. I disagree with some of his other beliefs, some very strongly, but we share a core belief about where the world is heading and where this nation needs to head within that framework to stay the super power that it has peviously always been.
If we don't move in that direction, and I've seen nothing from John McCain to suggest that he has any desire to do so (quite the contrary in fact, voting against ~90% of all bills that would've encouraged renewable and green technologies over his 26 years in the senate), this nation will not be a economic super power within 40 years. China and Brazil will have far surpassed us by then and I wouldn't be entirely surprised if we ourselves start a third world war, using our vast military to try and take what others rightfully developed while we had our heads in the sand about the future of this planet.
Just my personal take on it, and its why I'll be checking the box next to Obama's name when my absentee ballot arrives.
LOL that Brazil will pass us as the power in the Americas. China? they are already a world power and will be so for a very long time.
cutthemdown
10-09-2008, 11:32 AM
I'm fairly certain that he's going to deliver a "New Deal" kind of economic, social, and energy overhaul. 50 years from now Republicans (or whatever party takes their place) will cry about his "socialist policies" but he'll bring about the kind of reform needed to usher in another golden age for America, akin to the late 40's to early 60's, much like FDR.
Is it because I think he's some sort of messiah? Hell no. But we stand on the precipice of historic times for the entire world and of all the politicians I've heard speak he's the only one who gets it. The entire global economy is circling the drain and the nations that will prevail and be the next generation of world super powers are those who lead the way in the new green and renewable techonologies that liberates the world from fossil fuels.
That is the core of Obama's plan and that is something I strongly believe in. I disagree with some of his other beliefs, some very strongly, but we share a core belief about where the world is heading and where this nation needs to head within that framework to stay the super power that it has peviously always been.
If we don't move in that direction, and I've seen nothing from John McCain to suggest that he has any desire to do so (quite the contrary in fact, voting against ~90% of all bills that would've encouraged renewable and green technologies over his 26 years in the senate), this nation will not be a economic super power within 40 years. China and Brazil will have far surpassed us by then and I wouldn't be entirely surprised if we ourselves start a third world war, using our vast military to try and take what others rightfully developed while we had our heads in the sand about the future of this planet.
Just my personal take on it, and its why I'll be checking the box next to Obama's name when my absentee ballot arrives.
Also are you saying Obama has some big plan that he hasn't told us about? Like once he gets in office he springs some type of new deal reform? I thought he had laid out what his plans were?
LOL that Brazil will pass us as the power in the Americas. China? they are already a world power and will be so for a very long time.
China is not an economic or technological super power by any stretch right now. They have a lot of people, they manufacture a lot of goods, but they are not putting hands on the wheel that is the global economy up to this point.
That will shortly change regardless, but the degree of power they gain is very flexible.
As for Brazil, well, you just wait and see. Brazil has put more funding into renewable and green technologies than just about any other nation out there and their research programs are leading the way in all forms of biofuels (cellulosic and microbial). They've been on a sharp upward trend economically for several decades now and they still have a lot of untapped resources. They're also THE power player in South America at this point. As the world moves further towards a global community Brazil will be in ideal position to profit off the development of it's neighbors.
cutthemdown
10-09-2008, 12:04 PM
Brazil will never be more powerful then the USA period. I also think Brazil is a real player but you underestimate your own country.
Taco John
10-09-2008, 12:06 PM
You left off the option that it will be worse. The Fed is running out of magic tricks that created the "house of cards" rise beginning in the 1980's. We won't be back to these unrealistic levels for decades. Even Ron Paul would admit that it would be worse even if he was president. Although he would be more likely to soften the landing.
http://www.nyse.tv/dow-jones-industrial-average-djia-history.gif
That looks a lot like the last half of McCain's Intrade Chart:
http://data.intrade.com/graphing/temp/chart122354859174717021.png
TailgateNut
10-09-2008, 12:07 PM
Brazil will never be more powerful then the USA period. I also think Brazil is a real player but you underestimate your own country.
Underestimate our own country ( which is owned by other countries):wiggle:
The problem has been that some have in fact over-estimated our capabilities without considering the costs.
TexanBob
10-09-2008, 12:56 PM
Where is:
"I'm extremely confident that America will be in terrible shape 4 years from now."?
That would be my choice.
TexanBob
10-09-2008, 12:59 PM
Where is:
"I'm extremely confident that America will be in terrible shape 4 years from now."?
That would be my choice.
Who occupies the white house next January will not matter that much as far as the financial crisis goes, it is to deep seated and intertwined and global.
It's the derivatives dummy.
TexanBob
10-09-2008, 01:08 PM
He will backtrack on the tax cut for middle class and instead slightly raise them. Health care reform he will say will have to wait.
But it may not hurt him if he can blame it all on Bush and say things were just in worst shape then i thought and you don't know those things until you are President.
That's exactly the tack Clinton took when he became president in 1993. The "middle class tax cut" disappeared overnight. Tax increases, for the first time, became retroactive and he blamed it all on Bush 41. If al-Bama does the same thing, he'll prove to be a good student of political history.
When you have the media in your lap, you can say any bs that comes to mind ("I never inhaled", etc.) and nobody will call you on it.
tnedator
10-09-2008, 01:21 PM
I was just curious as to how strongly you feel that Obama will lead America back to glory.
Or are you voting for him as the lesser of two evils.
I guess the polls is only for Obama 'supporters' as there is no option for thngs being worse, or much worse under Obama. ???
Crushaholic
10-09-2008, 01:38 PM
There actually needs to be an option of "Obama will make things worse". Unless he's lying (or exaggerating) about the social programs he wants to see put in place, Obama WILL make things worse by making many more people dependent on Uncle Sam.
TailgateNut
10-09-2008, 01:40 PM
I was just curious as to how strongly you feel that Obama will lead America back to glory.
Or are you voting for him as the lesser of two evils.
Where's your vote? Or are you once again not casting a vote?
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-09-2008, 01:41 PM
Remember, if you don't bash repubs in every post, you are automatically a Bush supporter, and pure evil.
So you're denying that you're a Bush supporter? :rofl:
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-09-2008, 01:42 PM
Who's(sic) hero?
There you go doing your imitation of Peter denying Christ again.
Too funny! Ha!
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-09-2008, 01:43 PM
Where's your vote? Or are you once again not casting a vote?
He can't be happy with the way his little poll is turning out here. :giggle:
Taco John
10-09-2008, 04:19 PM
It's going to get bad, no matter who is president.
SJ Bronco
10-09-2008, 04:37 PM
Anyone who knows about economics knows that it's easier to go down than up. Up takes a long time. I'm not looking for Obama to sigle handedly fix the economy, I'm asking him to make "made in the USA" mean something again and make people in other countries have confidence in our exports like in the 90's. Thats an image overhaul more than anything.