The Orang Crush Defense is back!!

[Popps]

O.K.... just kiddin'.

But, I love this kind of game. D flying around, cracking people in the mouth... knocking QBs out of the game and playing some real football.

The D deserves props today, for all the bashing we've done. Still major problems, but maybe this is something to build on. Clearly... there's no dominant team in the AFC. It's wide open.

[kappys]

O.K.... just kiddin'.

But, I love this kind of game. D flying around, cracking people in the mouth... knocking QBs out of the game and playing some real football.

The D deserves props today, for all the bashing we've done. Still major problems, but maybe this is something to build on. Clearly... there's no dominant team in the AFC. It's wide open.

The gameplan was good today. Maybe I was a little quick to judge Slowik.

[loborugger]

The gameplan was good today. Maybe I was a little quick to judge Slowik.

You mean that last weeks overreacted 4 day long meltdown was a bit over done? Say it aint so!

[2KBack]

I think it is safe to say the key seems to be attacking. Today the defense played downhill, and it showed.

They are still very soft in the middle (damn safetys). Garcia was better at taking advantage even with good pressure. I'm not sure how much better they'll be able to mask that weakness

[Rohirrim]

Hilarious! I was going to come in here and spank who ever titled this thread. Nice snap back from the crap in Narrowhead. Playing Thomas in and out was an interesting twist. LBs played much better. So did the line. Two sacks. Much improved.

[barryr]

Still holes, but great to see DL making some plays for a change and the defense being aggressive for a change as well.

[PRBronco]

I didn't get to watch, what did they do differently that resulted in, you know, not embarrassing themselves?

[fontaine]

The only thing the defense did differently today was tackle better.

Apart from a couple of Graham runs the defenders, especially the LBers flowed to the ball and didn't miss tackles. Robertson did a very solid job of not allowing the OL guys to block out the LBers.

Bly still gave up his usual quota of 5/6 completions. I'm beginning to dislike the guy.

But the biggest difference? Our safeties didn't have to do crap because both QBs had peewee arms so they weren't tested apart from that sure TD Griese botched to Stephens where the safety sh*t his pants.

[cabronco]

Seem like the D was motivated to play lights out today and they did. I hope they build on this and turn this defense around for good. Great victory ! 4-1

[Popps]

Hilarious! I was going to come in here and spank who ever titled this thread. .

;D

[Bronx33]

That last drive by the bucs really needed to be stopped but yes this was the best game for the D this year IMO i hope to god they build on it.

[chrisp]

I don't think that the Tampa O-line is among the best in the league, but they were still a 3-1 team playing at home.

Thing is, the way people were talking about the defense you wouldn't think they could stop anybody. Today we saw the truth: these guys can play, they just aren't the best defense in the league.

With one of the best offenses in the league, I'll take that for now. Thing is, I'm still optimistic about the prospects for this defense to improve over the course fo the season. We have some difference-makers out there: Champ, Elvis, DJ. All we need is for the rest of the guys to know their assignments, play hard and tackle well and the defense could be truly solid.

[barryr]

The only thing the defense did differently today was tackle better.

Apart from a couple of Graham runs the defenders, especially the LBers flowed to the ball and didn't miss tackles. Robertson did a very solid job of not allowing the OL guys to block out the LBers.

Bly still gave up his usual quota of 5/6 completions. I'm beginning to dislike the guy.

But the biggest difference? Our safeties didn't have to do crap because both QBs had peewee arms so they weren't tested apart from that sure TD Griese botched to Stephens where the safety sh*t his pants.

True, they didn't have to worry about the deep ball as much this week, but the Chiefs aren't much of a deep threat either.

[Br0nc0Buster]

For the most part we made them earn their points.

I want to see this defense do this on a consistent basis before I get optimistic, but this is something to build off of

I still am not a fan of the 3 man rushes. We were doing a pretty good job with 4 men rushing.

[Sassy]

Blitzes today? What's up with that? Ha!

[Popps]

Blitzes today? What's up with that? Ha!

Not just blitzes, but some real variance in the kinds of packages they threw at them. Even if they all didn't work, you love to see this kind of aggression.

[Hamrob]

We have got to have somebody better than Manual. I mean...Barrett has got to be better than that bum?

[Crushaholic]

Champ's little brother did well, today. DJ was just outstanding. We showed some heart and ATTITUDE I haven't seen since last year. BTW, the shot of Coyer flummoxed on the sidelines as the game was coming to a close was PRICELESS...Hilarious!

[Bronx33]

Not just blitzes, but some real variance in the kinds of packages they threw at them. Even if they all didn't work, you love to see this kind of aggression.

It was nice to see the pocket collapse for once.

[lazarus4444]

The difference was the defense didn't over pursue or miss too many of their assignments and they actually tackled, i was surprised and amazed, feels like its been a 1,000 years since somebody besides champ could tackle.

[gyldenlove]

Who knew they could play D?

They were aggressive on most plays, attacked the line and Dumervil seems to be recovered from his broken finger.

I loved seeing Ekuban in there a lot, he is a lot more versatile than Engelberger and Dumervil.

Did anybody notice DJ? on almost EVERY big play we got on D, he was involved. he batted pass that would have converted a 3rd down, got a sack, made tackles at the line. He is head and shoulders above our other LBs.

Our safeties still suck, they just stand by and look at the players they are supposed to tackle.

[Bronx33]

Who knew they could play D?

They were aggressive on most plays, attacked the line and Dumervil seems to be recovered from his broken finger.

I loved seeing Ekuban in there a lot, he is a lot more versatile than Engelberger and Dumervil.

Did anybody notice DJ? on almost EVERY big play we got on D, he was involved. he batted pass that would have converted a 3rd down, got a sack, made tackles at the line. He is head and shoulders above our other LBs.

Our safeties still suck, they just stand by and look at the players they are supposed to tackle.


The D just might have found it's leader hes not flashy but he has lead by example.

[Popps]

Who knew they could play D?

They were aggressive on most plays, attacked the line and Dumervil seems to be recovered from his broken finger.

I loved seeing Ekuban in there a lot, he is a lot more versatile than Engelberger and Dumervil.

Did anybody notice DJ? on almost EVERY big play we got on D, he was involved. he batted pass that would have converted a 3rd down, got a sack, made tackles at the line. He is head and shoulders above our other LBs.

Our safeties still suck, they just stand by and look at the players they are supposed to tackle.

That was a huge injury. People laughed when some of us said it would really slow him down, but he said it himself. Dumervil is all about his hands, and maybe it's healing.

I also noticed Ekuban in there more often, which is a move that should have been obvious to the staff earlier.

You're correct about our safeties, though.... man are they horrible, and I mean horrible. Manuel is a disaster and McCree finally made one play, and hurt himself doing it. They are two of the least physical, instinctive S's we've had in a long time. At least Kennoy Kennedy hit people, as dumb as he may have been.

But, again... the unit deserves big praise today.

[Popps]

The D just might have found it's leader hes not flashy but he has lead by example.

Williams continues to improve. He's finally gotten himself to a level where he might start getting some Pro Bowl looks.

[Doggcow]

Hilarious! I was going to come in here and spank who ever titled this thread. Nice snap back from the crap in Narrowhead. Playing Thomas in and out was an interesting twist. LBs played much better. So did the line. Two sacks. Much improved.

3 sacks iirc. DJ pushed Greise OB for a -1.

[Los Broncos]

I knew the D would step up.

Way to play today Broncos!

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Everything was great until we knocked SOB out of the game. Jeez Champ... put him on the ground but for the love of god don't hurt him. :) All kidding aside, how funny was that to see a double cowboy blitz at Griese? This has to be the ultimate manhood challange to a quarterback.

[mattob14]

The only thing the defense did differently today was tackle better.

Apart from a couple of Graham runs the defenders, especially the LBers flowed to the ball and didn't miss tackles. Robertson did a very solid job of not allowing the OL guys to block out the LBers.

Bly still gave up his usual quota of 5/6 completions. I'm beginning to dislike the guy.

But the biggest difference? Our safeties didn't have to do crap because both QBs had peewee arms so they weren't tested apart from that sure TD Griese botched to Stephens where the safety sh*t his pants.

They ran a lot more 3-4 today than the last couple of weeks and it looks like the guys are getting a little more comfortable with their assignments. Having Robertson in the middle helped, too. Dumerville also stepped up today. I think that's partly due to his health, and also the fact that we were able to move him around a little bit in the 3-4 today.


Honestly, I have to give Slowik some credit. The scheme was more aggressive and we showed a new wrinkle with an effective 3-4. Thomas even picked up an INT on a zone blitz that Garcia never saw coming (even though he did fumble the ball back to TB). The talent level still isn't there, but we did a good job of masking that today. If we could shore up the Safety position, I could see an average defense in this unit.

[bronco610]

O.K.... just kiddin'.

But, I love this kind of game. D flying around, cracking people in the mouth... knocking QBs out of the game and playing some real football.

The D deserves props today, for all the bashing we've done. Still major problems, but maybe this is something to build on. Clearly... there's no dominant team in the AFC. It's wide open.

Popps is that you? I thought you hated the D!!!

[Cito Pelon]

Nice to see a swarming D. But I'm pissed off once again that Denver got outscored in the 4th Q. This is the 4th game in a row that has happened. We did outscore TB in the second half 10-7, and that's the first time that has happened since game one at OAK. But, 4-1 is nice.

[Popps]

Popps is that you? I thought you hated the D!!!

I love them this week.

They play like this the rest of the season... and I'll love them every week.

It wasn't perfect, but it was good enough.

Like Cito said, we have actually sputtered on offense the last couple of weeks if you think about it. Tampa's got a tough D, though. There's no shame in having a little trouble against them.

[Jekyll15Hyde]

That last drive by the bucs really needed to be stopped but yes this was the best game for the D this year IMO i hope to god they build on it.

you dont say

[telluride]

Also, Boss kept his "I'm hurt! everyone stop playing for a moment while the coaches surround me" streak going. What's that, 4 straight games now?

[telluride]

Also also, M. Jones-Drew is going to eat us alive.

[Br0nc0Buster]

Also, Boss kept his "I'm hurt! everyone stop playing for a moment while the coaches surround me" streak going. What's that, 4 straight games now?

It doesnt really matter to me as long as he gets back in there.
He has been playing well so far though

[Kaylore]

DJ is playing as good as you can play the linebacker position. Also, I have to eat crow because I scoffed at the idea of Dumervil's pinky injury hurting him and he confirmed to today that his increased production was because of the pins being removed from his hand and him being able to use it again. Anyway, great win. :)

[Kaylore]

Also, Boss kept his "I'm hurt! everyone stop playing for a moment while the coaches surround me" streak going. What's that, 4 straight games now?
That's the "our defense is getting killed we need a breather and to kill momentum" injury. He always mysteriously gets them when we could use a timeout. ;)

[Peoples Champ]

I LOVED our aggressiveness, i havent seen Champ Blitz in forever. IT WORKED AND WAS A SWEET A$$ play

[Tombstone RJ]

Thank God Garcia didn't play the whole game, otherwise, the score may have been a little different. That being said, the defense did look better...

[Popps]

i havent seen Champ Blitz in forever. IT WORKED AND WAS A SWEET A$$ play

Not tooting my own horn here, but I've been calling for Bailey to blitz for a few weeks now.

O.K... I guess I am

Toot tooooooot!!!!


:thumbsup:

[Popps]

Thank God Garcia didn't play the whole game, otherwise, the score may have been a little different. That being said, the defense did look better...

Agree. I'd rather see Griese than a guy who can move around. But, overall... I think the D still would have done enough to win, even if it was him.

[broncosteven]

The only thing the defense did differently today was tackle better.

Apart from a couple of Graham runs the defenders, especially the LBers flowed to the ball and didn't miss tackles. Robertson did a very solid job of not allowing the OL guys to block out the LBers.

Bly still gave up his usual quota of 5/6 completions. I'm beginning to dislike the guy.

But the biggest difference? Our safeties didn't have to do crap because both QBs had peewee arms so they weren't tested apart from that sure TD Griese botched to Stephens where the safety sh*t his pants.

They actually got pressure today, they forced SOB to think which = disaster for TB. Then after getting pressure they dropped Thomas on a ZB and he got an INT.

There was a lot more intensity this week.

Oh and Webster actually looked like an NFL MLB this week, he stayed at home on the back side and didn't let Graham bounce it to the outside. I think that was most impressing. I didn't see him overrun as many plays either.

[broncosteven]

Not tooting my own horn here, but I've been calling for Bailey to blitz for a few weeks now.

O.K... I guess I am

Toot tooooooot!!!!


:thumbsup:

I love the CB blitz, it is sorta desperation but hey, get pressure anyway you can with this team.

At least by blitzing Bailey our best player has a chance to make an impact play rather than sit in coverage so long he ends up getting smoked.

[dsmoot]

I love the CB blitz, it is sorta desperation but hey, get pressure anyway you can with this team.

At least by blitzing Bailey our best player has a chance to make an impact play rather than sit in coverage so long he ends up getting smoked.

You would think this would be highly effective against most teams. Teams are playing away his side of the field anyway.

[Popps]

The CB blitz is one of those things you obviously have to use carefully and sparingly. But, it CAN be devastating because teams usually aren't looking for it. I just liked the idea because Champ has such good instincts and is such a good tackler. You saw him wait to make sure the ball wasn't going his way... and then just launched himself at the QB. Great stuff.

Our offense is pretty creative. It would be nice to see this pattern continue with the defense.

[Steve Sewell]

Hilarious! I was going to come in here and spank who ever titled this thread. Nice snap back from the crap in Narrowhead. Playing Thomas in and out was an interesting twist. LBs played much better. So did the line. Two sacks. Much improved.

I took my 4 and 6 year old boys to their first game last weekend...at Camarohead. Needless to say, they are now diehard Broncos fans, whereas before I would have categorized them as pretty casual. A big hats off to jackass Chump fans for making it an easy decision for my sons.

[dbfan21]

It was nice to see the pocket collapse for once.

Definitely. I am not sure how good the TB offensive line is, but the commentators said that Gruden told them this is the best line he's had in Tampa. I guess that means something. Getting pressure on the QB was fantastic to see. 3 sacks, 1 INT, consistent pressure in QB's face, knocked Griese out and did a good job of stopping huge runs/passes.

If, and this is a big "if" at this point, the defense can turn out those type of performances consistently, this team will be very hard to beat down the stretch.

Good job!!

[TheReverend]

We have got to have somebody better than Manual. I mean...Barrett has got to be better than that bum?

Unfortunately, no.

Safety is a very cerebral spot and making very quick reads to put you in position to make a play. As bad as both our safeties are right now, it's telling that Josh is still on the PS. If/when he starts showing good development, he'll be activated, given some ST play, maybe crack a nickel package and if his development continues, hit the field full time.

Until then, enjoy the continued ineptitude on the back end. :thumbsup:

[Beantown Bronco]

I'll reserve judgment on this defense until they actually do it a few times in a row. Call me crazy, but one game of "decent" does not trump 4 games of suck.

Don't get me wrong. It was great to see.....but until I see it consistently, it would be just as easy to conclude that Tampa's OLine is the worst in the league; as opposed to giving credit to the Broncos' defense.

Clearly... there's no dominant team in the AFC. It's wide open.

You need to start watching some Titans games.

[Schism]

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[Gcver2ver3]

i'm not convinced...our defense still stinks...

[fontaine]

Thank God Garcia didn't play the whole game, otherwise, the score may have been a little different. That being said, the defense did look better...

That was on Bly.

Garcia repeatedly went after him against Bryant, Hilliard I think and Stovall for 5/6 completions. I haven't seen anything much from Bly this year. He still takes the risks but no ints.

[Tombstone RJ]

That was on Bly.

Garcia repeatedly went after him against Bryant, Hilliard I think and Stovall for 5/6 completions. I haven't seen anything much from Bly this year. He still takes the risks but no ints.

When Garcia came into the game, I really started to worry because of his ability to escape pressure and make plays outside the pocket. Sure enough, the Bucs started moving the ball well and going on long sustained drives. The Broncos defense started to look like the defense of the first 4 games.

When Marcus Thomas got that fumble I was like "hell yah!" and then he fumbled the ball right back to the Bucs, that was a heart breaker.

[Popps]

When Marcus Thomas got that fumble I was like "hell yah!" and then he fumbled the ball right back to the Bucs, that was a heart breaker.

I think we could have locked down the game right there had he not coughed it up.

It'll be interesting to see if we maintain the defensive momentum this week. Jax has a much better running game and is very physical. Gerrard can move around, too. Still... It think we come at them with the exact same game plan.

[oubronco]

When Garcia came into the game, I really started to worry because of his ability to escape pressure and make plays outside the pocket. Sure enough, the Bucs started moving the ball well and going on long sustained drives. The Broncos defense started to look like the defense of the first 4 games.

and Gerrard is a real good runner and likes getting outside to see what the defense will give him

[broncsyanks]

crush LMAO, man our safeties really suk. sad to say it.

[Popps]

and Gerrard is a real good runner and likes getting outside to see what the defense will give him

We don't fare well with mobile QBs. Hopefully the staff has this in mind and is game-planning something for it.

[oubronco]

We don't fare well with mobile QBs. Hopefully the staff has this in mind and is game-planning something for it.

maybe spy him with winborn

[Popps]

maybe spy him with winborn

I was thinking about that. Not sure if he's quite mobile enough to warrant a spy, but it's worth considering. We certainly should be sending some guys on wide rushes in attempts to keep him in the pocket, at minimum.

[TheReverend]

Play contain and blitz the middle of the pocket.

Champ and Dre are more than capable of shutting down their horrid receivers and Marcedes Lewis doesn't scare anyone.

We can certainly play 8 in the box with McCree attempting to play center field and blitz the interior of the pocket all day.

[oubronco]

Play contain and blitz the middle of the pocket.

Champ and Dre are more than capable of shutting down their horrid receivers and Marcedes Lewis doesn't scare anyone.

We can certainly play 8 in the box with McCree attempting to play center field and blitz the interior of the pocket all day.

and KC's offense didn't scare anyone either and look where that got them they better bring there A game

[footstepsfrom#27]

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This dude is worth trading up for...the whole package.

[PRBronco]

This dude is worth trading up for...the whole package.

Isn't that how people used to talk about Darnell Bing? :P

[DenverBrit]

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Ha!