Is anyone voting FOR McCain?

[enjolras]

I had a friend point out that while he knows a lot of people that are going to vote GOP in this election, that very few of them are really voting FOR McCain. When asked they'll go on and on about how evil, manipulative, closet muslim, and inexperienced Obama is. They rarely have anything positive to say about McCain. This election seems to be completely about Obama, your voting for him or against him... McCain is just kind of in the way.

Is that true? Are the McCain supporters on this board with McCain or against Obama?

[jsco70]

I'm a registered independent with a number of hard core Republican friends. They are voting against the "liberal."

[Bronco Bob]

I don't know of anyone where I work that is voting for McCain.
If they are, they haven't said so. One woman said she is troubled
that Obama is a Muslim, but she never really said she was voting
for McCain.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

One woman said she is troubled
that Obama is a Muslim, but she never really said she was voting
for McCain.

Let me guess: She's one of those people who still believe Iraq attacked us on 9/11? :D

[Rohirrim]

SoCal is a McCainiac.

[tnedator]

Is that true? Are the McCain supporters on this board with McCain or against Obama?

I'm voting against Obama, as much as I am voting for McCain. Not for any racist reason, but an ideological one. I don't believe in what Obama is pushing for this country, and believe the tax hikes and social programs he wants to implement, and will be able to with a democratic senate and congress.

McCain is the last Republican (Paul isn't really one) I wanted to get the GOP nod, so I am not a fan of his, and if there was a Republican Congress and Senate, I might consider voting against McCain.

[SoCalBronco]

As Roh noted, I am voting for McCain and have been supporting him since before even the GOP primary season started.

[gunns]

There are few that will admit to voting for McCain. A lot of those that are voting for McCain stereotype the Dem's like tnedator, while we sit in the midst of the biggest growth in government in our lives, an economy down the drain and a deficit to match no other from a Repub and a Repub congress that was in control for 14 years. Go figure.

[tnedator]

There are few that will admit to voting for McCain. A lot of those that are voting for McCain stereotype the Dem's like tnedator, while we sit in the midst of the biggest growth in government in our lives, an economy down the drain and a deficit to match no other from a Repub and a Repub congress that was in control for 14 years. Go figure.

Yep, go figure, I'm voting GOP.

[Dudeskey]

In all honesty, If McCain was anything like the McCain in 2000, i would've voted for him...

[spdirty]

Im voting primarily AGAINST Obama

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

There are few that will admit to voting for McCain. A lot of those that are voting for McCain stereotype the Dem's like tnedator, while we sit in the midst of the biggest growth in government in our lives, an economy down the drain and a deficit to match no other from a Repub and a Repub congress that was in control for 14 years. Go figure.

Yep.

Facts simply do not matter to these people.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[JCMElway]

I don't know of anyone where I work that is voting for McCain.
If they are, they haven't said so. One woman said she is troubled
that Obama is a Muslim, but she never really said she was voting
for McCain.

Did you tell her that Obama is not a Muslim?

[Bronco Bob]

Did you tell her that Obama is not a Muslim?

She's not the sort of person you can tell anything to, if you get my drift.

[baja]

She's not the sort of person you can tell anything to, if you get my drift.

I didn't know Wags was a women?

[defenseman]

I don't know of anyone where I work that is voting for McCain.
If they are, they haven't said so. One woman said she is troubled
that Obama is a Muslim, but she never really said she was voting
for McCain.

A significant majority where I work are voting for McCain...dman

[defenseman]

I don't know of anyone where I work that is voting for McCain.
If they are, they haven't said so. One woman said she is troubled
that Obama is a Muslim, but she never really said she was voting
for McCain.

The few I know that appear to be hedged to obama, have no clue on the real issues and cannot begin to explain his policies..........the informed people are a definite majority for McCain, that is, the ones who have taken the time to gather all the facts, despite the misrepresentation of them by the MSM. Sad, lots of very lazy americans who are cutting their own throats with potentially electing obama, 10 minutes worth of research would have saved them but alas, they want a handout, they are lazy...dman

[Spider]

The few I know that appear to be hedged to obama, have no clue on the real issues and cannot begin to explain his policies..........the informed people are a definite majority for McCain, that is, the ones who have taken the time to gather all the facts, despite the misrepresentation of them by the MSM. Sad, lots of very lazy americans who are cutting their own throats with potentially electing obama, 10 minutes worth of research would have saved them but alas, they want a handout, they are lazy...dman

If Bull**** was gun powder ....... you could take out the entire Middle east and parts of Asia with 1 shot ..........

[defenseman]

If Bull**** was gun powder ....... you could take out the entire Middle east and parts of Asia with 1 shot ..........

Where I work, we do our homework and think through important decisions. When one gathers the information, and sets aside one's biases, and places all factors side by side for comparison, the choice is obvious. I can't help it if some americans don't know "how" to make an informed decision, or put another way, couldn't make an informed decision if their life depended on it. If you can't take your blinders off though, and are inherently lazy, and want everything handed to you, then go ahead and vote for obama. He's "your" kind of guy...dman

[Rohirrim]

Where I work, we do our homework and think through important decisions. When one gathers the information, and sets aside one's biases, and places all factors side by side for comparison, the choice is obvious. I can't help it if some americans don't know "how" to make an informed decision, or put another way, couldn't make an informed decision if their life depended on it. If you can't take your blinders off though, and are inherently lazy, and want everything handed to you, then go ahead and vote for obama. He's "your" kind of guy...dman

Basically, if you're voting for McCain, you're voting for four more years of Bush. No thanks.

[Spider]

Where I work, we do our homework and think through important decisions. When one gathers the information, and sets aside one's biases, and places all factors side by side for comparison, the choice is obvious. I can't help it if some americans don't know "how" to make an informed decision, or put another way, couldn't make an informed decision if their life depended on it. If you can't take your blinders off though, and are inherently lazy, and want everything handed to you, then go ahead and vote for obama. He's "your" kind of guy...dman
Ok lers do that shall we ?
Healthcare mother ****er , McCain wanrs to give us 5,000 tax credit to help pay for healthcare , but guess what , we still pay income tax on it ...... tell a family man this is a good plan ....
Obama give incentives for employer supported healthcare plans , making it cheaper , recruiting more doctors etc ........ tel lthe working man that paying less for Health care is against his best interest
Taxes . again 95% of Americans get a tax break not the social elite . tell a working man that him getting a tax break is bad , and that he should vote for MCain who will help the rich .See how far you get .....
Energy , McCain Bush status quo .
Obama fast track alt energy , create 5 billion Jobs , tell the poor working mother ****er that it is in his best interest to pay more on energy ........
Like I said if Bull**** was gun powder , you would be 1 lethal jack ass .... As for people being lazy and wanted everything handed to them , you are so full of **** , I wouldnt be shocked to learn your eyes are brown

[tnedator]

Basically, if you're voting for McCain, you're voting for four more years of Bush. No thanks.

Ok, Barrack, whatever you say... :thumbs:

[kappys]

Where I work, we do our homework and think through important decisions. When one gathers the information, and sets aside one's biases, and places all factors side by side for comparison, the choice is obvious. I can't help it if some americans don't know "how" to make an informed decision, or put another way, couldn't make an informed decision if their life depended on it. If you can't take your blinders off though, and are inherently lazy, and want everything handed to you, then go ahead and vote for obama. He's "your" kind of guy...dman

The choice is obvious - if you're greedy, cold-hearted, cutthroat and ruthless then you should vote for Mccain.

[Spider]

Ok, Barrack, whatever you say... :thumbs:

LOL remember that crap about banning bothsides ? well Carol . well here http://www.broncosforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=405126&posted=1#post405126

[Stormontheplains]

I will be voting for John McCain

[gunns]

Where I work, we do our homework and think through important decisions. When one gathers the information, and sets aside one's biases, and places all factors side by side for comparison, the choice is obvious. I can't help it if some americans don't know "how" to make an informed decision, or put another way, couldn't make an informed decision if their life depended on it. If you can't take your blinders off though, and are inherently lazy, and want everything handed to you, then go ahead and vote for obama. He's "your" kind of guy...dman

Where you work you don't do your homework. What was it you said before, 10 minutes worth of homework would have saved them. Yes it does appear that's all you guys put into it. Saw Democrat and ran screaming, that's about it. Obama's health plan and tax plan have been deemed the most feasible. McCain's health plan would lower the standard of health care for those that already have insurance and his tax plan is so vague it can't be analyzed. The one's with blinders on are you guys, see Democrat, stereotype. Although the only President since Reagan to have a surplus deficit is Clinton and he's the only Democrat. Yeah you've done your "homework". :dummy:

[Bronco Bob]

Ok, Barrack, whatever you say... :thumbs:

And Barack is correct. Name one significant policy where McCain takes
a different stand than Bush. Iraq? Taxes? Health Care? Social Security?
Women's rights? Education? Energy Policy?

[NodJello]

I'm voting against Obama, as much as I am voting for McCain. Not for any racist reason, but an ideological one. I don't believe in what Obama is pushing for this country, and believe the tax hikes and social programs he wants to implement, and will be able to with a democratic senate and congress.

McCain is the last Republican (Paul isn't really one) I wanted to get the GOP nod, so I am not a fan of his, and if there was a Republican Congress and Senate, I might consider voting against McCain.

hit the nail on the head.

[NodJello]

And Barack is correct. Name one significant policy where McCain takes
a different stand than Bush. Iraq? Taxes? Health Care? Social Security?
Women's rights? Education? Energy Policy?

Name one policy where Barrack has reached across the aisle? Name one thing to make the rest of us believe (those that don't want to see socialism as our form of govt.) that he isn't a flaming liberal? It certainly isn't his voting record. Name the big changes that you think he is going to make that are going to make your life so much better? Do you really think that taxes are not going to go up? Have you seen a bell curve, even with his tax the rich policies - the fattest slice is still right through the middle. He will probably win and after a year or so he will say, "sorry the Bush administraition so messed up the economy that I need to raise taxes." They're all flipping liars...saying whatever they think will get them elected.

[Bronco Bob]

Name one policy where Barrack has reached across the aisle? Name one thing to make the rest of us believe (those that don't want to see socialism as our form of govt.) that he isn't a flaming liberal? It certainly isn't his voting record. Name the big changes that you think he is going to make that are going to make your life so much better? Do you really think that taxes are not going to go up? Have you seen a bell curve, even with his tax the rich policies - the fattest slice is still right through the middle. He will probably win and after a year or so he will say, "sorry the Bush administraition so messed up the economy that I need to raise taxes." They're all flipping liars...saying whatever they think will get them elected.

We tried it your way for 8 years. It didn't work. Time for a change.
I don't agree Obama will raise taxes on the average working man any
more than McCain will. But so what if we pay a few bucks more
in taxes. The country is falling apart. Bridges are collapsing, roads
are terrible, we are borrowing $billions from China, we are spending
$10 billion a month in Iraq while the Iraqi government sits on
a $80 billion surplus. The money has to come from somewhere
there is no such thing as a free lunch. And if Obama can create
new jobs in alternative energy, that means people are going to
make more money. So what if you pay $20 more in income tax
a month if you are making $500 more a month. If any other
circumstance if someone found a way to make $500 with a
$20 investment, they would jump at the chance.

[TailgateNut]

A significant majority where I work are voting for McCain...dman


You work at the Klan Clothing Company?

Or at Hoodies R Us?

[Paladin]

Too late. I have sent in my mail-in ballot.

Yep.

Obama.

[SJ Bronco]

Im not voting FOR obama as much as I'm voting AGAINST McCain. Teh ballot could say McCain check yes or no, and I'd be happy.

[SoCalBronco]

You work at the Klan Clothing Company?

Or at Hoodies R Us?

This is funny stuff. At least you have a sense of humor. :)

[defenseman]

You work at the Klan Clothing Company?

Or at Hoodies R Us?

Just like a liberal POS, anyone who defies "their" candidate is a racist. You are truley a moron...dman

*And i will refer to you as a facists, you have facism written all over you. Party of "tolerance"???? For their own , yes, anyone else, they're racists. hilarious, and very sad and moronic at the same time.

[W*GS]

It's "fascist", not "facist".

Geez.

[TheDave]

And Barack is correct. Name one significant policy where McCain takes
a different stand than Bush. Iraq? Taxes? Health Care? Social Security?
Women's rights? Education? Energy Policy?


Notice that this is where the conversation always stops...

Try as they might McCain supporters never can show much difference between the current group and him.

[baja]

Notice that this is where the conversation always stops...

Try as they might McCain supporters never can show much difference between the current group and him.

Are you nuts George Bush is no Maverick.

[kappys]

Are you nuts George Bush is no Maverick.

Bush is the Decider.

[Rigs11]

Just like a liberal POS, anyone who defies "their" candidate is a racist. You are truley a moron...dman

*And i will refer to you as a facists, you have facism written all over you. Party of "tolerance"???? For their own , yes, anyone else, they're racists. hilarious, and very sad and moronic at the same time.

The ones that go all apeshet over racism are usually racists themselves.Hit a nerve?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

We tried it your way for 8 years. It didn't work.

That's putting it politely. ;)

Anyone who would look at the disaster that is the Bush presidency and vote for four more years of the same must be utterly deranged.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

And Barack is correct. Name one significant policy where McCain takes
a different stand than Bush. Iraq? Taxes? Health Care? Social Security?
Women's rights? Education? Energy Policy?

Hammer, nail, head.

Dominionist Barbie couldn't answer this question in the VP debate - no matter how many times she shook her "maverick/hockey mom" pom-poms, repeated her canned lines, and winked at the audience.

[tnedator]

Notice that this is where the conversation always stops...

Try as they might McCain supporters never can show much difference between the current group and him.

There aren't going to be major differences, because they both believe in the core principles of the Republican party, just as the Clintons and Obama believe in the principles of the Democratic party.

If Gore had been in office the last eight years, the Republican candidate would be saying the same thing about Obama, in terms of differences between him and the former Democratic president.

[NodJello]

We tried it your way for 8 years. It didn't work. Time for a change.
I don't agree Obama will raise taxes on the average working man any
more than McCain will. But so what if we pay a few bucks more
in taxes. The country is falling apart. Bridges are collapsing, roads
are terrible, we are borrowing $billions from China, we are spending
$10 billion a month in Iraq while the Iraqi government sits on
a $80 billion surplus. The money has to come from somewhere
there is no such thing as a free lunch. And if Obama can create
new jobs in alternative energy, that means people are going to
make more money. So what if you pay $20 more in income tax
a month if you are making $500 more a month. If any other
circumstance if someone found a way to make $500 with a
$20 investment, they would jump at the chance.

First, it's not my way. I don't like Bush. Second, I care about paying more taxes - its my damn money! Third, if he doesn't raise taxes on ordinary peeps like you and me - he will raise taxes on corporations and you will see everything from milk to cameras go up in price and jobs go overseas...thus more then, as you say, $20 per month. Don't jump on me about fat-cats and their fat money either - I think they are the lowest kind of slime but we should promote business and keep govt. out as much as possible. Lastly, everyone won't make more money with alt. fuels - the companies that get the govt grants will but the avg. joe won't see much. Are you in an alternative fuel industry? I'm not. Did I miss something about spending $20 to make $500? Sounds good to me. Listen, I would love to get some alternative fuel so the middle-east could drown in their oil and we could stop dealing with that part of the world but the truth, as hard as it is to believe with the current prices - is that gas is too cheap to be easily replaced. Yes, too cheap. Too much infrastucture built around it. So while I say research and start building whatever kinds of refineries or processing plants we need for said alternative fuel, to think we are going to fix this in 4-8 years is stupid. I say drill while we research. I know that drilling wouldn't make for instant gas and wouldn't fix the problem - with the market being what it is - the price of gas would, probably, go down. I show my bias here - I think that radical Islam is a greater threat then global warming or climate change or whatever they are calling it these days. Not denying that it is happening, just denying the extent of man's involvement. The planet did have an ice age at some point and we didn't cause that.

[Spider]

First, it's not my way. I don't like Bush. Second, I care about paying more taxes - its my damn money! Third, if he doesn't raise taxes on ordinary peeps like you and me - he will raise taxes on corporations and you will see everything from milk to cameras go up in price and jobs go overseas...thus more then, as you say, $20 per month. Don't jump on me about fat-cats and their fat money either - I think they are the lowest kind of slime but we should promote business and keep govt. out as much as possible. Lastly, everyone won't make more money with alt. fuels - the companies that get the govt grants will but the avg. joe won't see much. Are you in an alternative fuel industry? I'm not. Did I miss something about spending $20 to make $500? Sounds good to me. Listen, I would love to get some alternative fuel so the middle-east could drown in their oil and we could stop dealing with that part of the world but the truth, as hard as it is to believe with the current prices - is that gas is too cheap to be easily replaced. Yes, too cheap. Too much infrastucture built around it. So while I say research and start building whatever kinds of refineries or processing plants we need for said alternative fuel, to think we are going to fix this in 4-8 years is stupid. I say drill while we research. I know that drilling wouldn't make for instant gas and wouldn't fix the problem - with the market being what it is - the price of gas would, probably, go down. I show my bias here - I think that radical Islam is a greater threat then global warming or climate change or whatever they are calling it these days. Not denying that it is happening, just denying the extent of man's involvement. The planet did have an ice age at some point and we didn't cause that.

Bull**** .......Simple as that...... you cry over taxes ? I drive a truck , your ass got nailed when fuel prices went up , so spare us the phony boo hoo higher taxes outrage ..As for terrorism , you do understand that if security had done its job 9-11 doesnt happen ......... McCain is part of the problem , republicans have ****ed up 7 different ways from sunday .........yo uwould hae been better off saying I am voting republican cause I dont understand baraks message

[Pseudofool]

Third, if he doesn't raise taxes on ordinary peeps like you and me - he will raise taxes on corporations and you will see everything from milk to cameras go up in price and jobs go overseas..God knows most cameras are made in the good old US of A. Seriously, the market is in trouble everywhere, if Obama combines a tax increase with an incentive to keep jobs here the issue is moot, isn't it?

its my damn money!Do you really think the Dollar will increase under McCain? Your dollars will be worth more under Obama, just because he has competent economic policy.

It's fine you want to ignore how the economy is system that's dependent on a myriad of factors to give your wealth; but when you start to vote against the interest of the people who make it possible to make your money, well I have no problem taking it from you. Too many "fiscal conservatives" believe that they save money by not voting liberal and not paying higher taxes now. The system will still take your money with high health care prices, and high gas prices. So your out either way. One way you can help yourself, another way you can help yourself and other people.
radical Islam is a greater threatYeah, and McCain will quell that threat by tough talk and military action, right? Have you thought this through? Can you eliminate this threat? No, of course not. Only a moron on the scale of Palin would think so. Sensible and defensive policy in regard to the muslim world would do a lot good. Radical Islam is largely a cultural movement that will be mitigated by less aggressive foriegn policy, and real carrots (like education aid, promoting women's program, etc.). Remember a good deal of muslim nations are democracy and they elect evil crooks, ergo, the populas needs education and a new image of America.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I have to laugh at these stupid right-wing handjobs who cry about the "tax and spend Democrats" when the republican crook they voted for basically stuck a syphon hose in their bank accounts and emptied the contents into the coffers of his cronies in the banking, defense, and oil industries.

Their kids and grandkids will be paying through the nose to service the interest on the enormous debt the court-appointed pinhead has created over the last eight years (and that's not even considering the latest Wall Street shake down.)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

It's About Time! Obama Camp to Bring on McCain and the Keating Five (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14302.html)

[TailgateNut]

Just like a liberal POS, anyone who defies "their" candidate is a racist. You are truley a moron...dman

*And i will refer to you as a facists, you have facism written all over you. Party of "tolerance"???? For their own , yes, anyone else, they're racists. hilarious, and very sad and moronic at the same time.
No, not anyone, but after several years of reading your posts, it has become painfully obvious, that you are a racist and sexist POS. ****ing brainwashed semen/ err seaman.

[Rohirrim]

God knows most cameras are made in the good old US of A. Seriously, the market is in trouble everywhere, if Obama combines a tax increase with an incentive to keep jobs here the issue is moot, isn't it?

Do you really think the Dollar will increase under McCain? Your dollars will be worth more under Obama, just because he has competent economic policy.

It's fine you want to ignore how the economy is system that's dependent on a myriad of factors to give your wealth; but when you start to vote against the interest of the people who make it possible to make your money, well I have no problem taking it from you. Too many "fiscal conservatives" believe that they save money by not voting liberal and not paying higher taxes now. The system will still take your money with high health care prices, and high gas prices. So your out either way. One way you can help yourself, another way you can help yourself and other people.
Yeah, and McCain will quell that threat by tough talk and military action, right? Have you thought this through? Can you eliminate this threat? No, of course not. Only a moron on the scale of Palin would think so. Sensible and defensive policy in regard to the muslim world would do a lot good. Radical Islam is largely a cultural movement that will be mitigated by less aggressive foriegn policy, and real carrots (like education aid, promoting women's program, etc.). Remember a good deal of muslim nations are democracy and they elect evil crooks, ergo, the populas needs education and a new image of America.

What Americans really have to understand in this election is the "hidden" tax will be the worst of them all. In other words, whose economic policies are going to hold better against the dropping dollar and rising inflation? If you think a continuation of Bush's and the GOP's monetary policies are going to do the trick, I've got a bridge to nowhere I'd like to sell you. Inflation and dropping currency values will be the worst tax of all because it attacks your money no matter where you try to hide it.

[Garcia Bronco]

I've been leaning toward Obama for the past month, but this Franklyn Raines business and the fact that he already isn't on trial gives me pause. He should be in jail with JEff Skilling.

[Rohirrim]

I've been leaning toward Obama for the past month, but this Franklyn Raines business and the fact that he already isn't on trial gives me pause. He should be in jail with JEff Skilling.

So should half of McCain's inner circle and McCain himself.

[Garcia Bronco]

So should half of McCain's inner circle and McCain himself.

McCain? No. Phil Graham? Maybe.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

McCain? No. Phil Graham? Maybe.

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[Rohirrim]

McCain? No. Phil Graham? Maybe.

The last, big economic crash that obliterated the savings of millions of Americans and required a $500 billion bailout, McCain was in the middle of and his wife profited enormously from - which means he did too - even if the Senate "ethics" committe did let him off with a warning. BTW, isn't Senate ethics an oxymoron?

[NodJello]

Bull**** .......Simple as that...... you cry over taxes ? I drive a truck , your ass got nailed when fuel prices went up , so spare us the phony boo hoo higher taxes outrage ..As for terrorism , you do understand that if security had done its job 9-11 doesnt happen ......... McCain is part of the problem , republicans have ****ed up 7 different ways from sunday .........yo uwould hae been better off saying I am voting republican cause I dont understand baraks message

How about I just say that I don't understand your message? How do you type so much driving a truck? I never said the gas hikes didn't hurt me. I said find a solution sooner not later. Its your guy that doesn't want to drill and tells me to keep my tires inflated. I am not saying that Repubs didn't screw up - I am telling you why I am scared of Obama.

[TheDave]

There aren't going to be major differences, because they both believe in the core principles of the Republican party, just as the Clintons and Obama believe in the principles of the Democratic party.

If Gore had been in office the last eight years, the Republican candidate would be saying the same thing about Obama, in terms of differences between him and the former Democratic president.

Well if thats the case then running as a "MAVERICK" has to be one of the great political blunders in our lifetime.

Todays version of the Republican Party abandoned their "Core Principles" years ago. McCain should of done the same thing. If he had run on the same issues as he did in 2000 this would be a much different race. Problem is he wouldn't of gotten out of the primaries.

[NodJello]

God knows most cameras are made in the good old US of A. Seriously, the market is in trouble everywhere, if Obama combines a tax increase with an incentive to keep jobs here the issue is moot, isn't it?
So free trade exists in a vacuum? There are no taxes on items made overseas? Sorry my mistake. I did not know that.

Do you really think the Dollar will increase under McCain? Your dollars will be worth more under Obama, just because he has competent economic policy.

What is that policy? National health care? Tax the rich that provide jobs to the rest of us? It's all talk right now.


It's fine you want to ignore how the economy is system that's dependent on a myriad of factors to give your wealth; but when you start to vote against the interest of the people who make it possible to make your money, well I have no problem taking it from you. Too many "fiscal conservatives" believe that they save money by not voting liberal and not paying higher taxes now.

What are you talking about? Yes the economy is dependent on a myriad of factors which seems to defeat the argument that our stupid Pres. is behind all of the problems. Does it not? I would say cut spending first then look at new programs. I fear the spending that Obama would cut - defense. We have created an entitlement state. People boohoo that they can't afford what others have thus you have class warfare. It's not fair, it's real life.


The system will still take your money with high health care prices, and high gas prices. So your out either way. One way you can help yourself, another way you can help yourself and other people.

You are so altruistic, looking out for others, why don't you send me a check for $5000 since I have 3 kids and need to pay for their college education? The only way heath care is free is if everyone pays. Health care costs won't go down under Obama except for the few that aren't hardly paying for it now.


Yeah, and McCain will quell that threat by tough talk and military action, right? Have you thought this through? Can you eliminate this threat? No, of course not. Only a moron on the scale of Palin would think so. Sensible and defensive policy in regard to the muslim world would do a lot good. Radical Islam is largely a cultural movement that will be mitigated by less aggressive foriegn policy, and real carrots (like education aid, promoting women's program, etc.).

Total crap. It's a religious war. I don't think we should have gone in to Iraq in the first place. However, now that we are there - I believe it would be a mistake to leave and let Iran or the next warlord move in. If you were so altruistic - you would be concerned for the Iraqi people that would be left in the lurch should that happen. Contrary to what you hear - most of them are not ready to have us up and leave.


Remember a good deal of muslim nations are democracy and they elect evil crooks, ergo, the populas needs education and a new image of America.
5-15% of Muslims are extremist and that number is about the size of the US pop. I lived in Turkey back in the late 1970s and early 1980s - and one time while my family was on the beach there were Turks talking about how they needed to bomb the US. This has been going on for a long time and it doesn't matter who the president is. It isn't class warfare - they don't like us. The whole mindset of let's be nicer to them so they will stop hating us is akin to kissing the school bullies a$$. Maybe if Al Davis starts being nicer to Shanny then Shanny will stop trying to win against the Raiders.

[kappys]

Total crap. It's a religious war. I don't think we should have gone in to Iraq in the first place. However, now that we are there - I believe it would be a mistake to leave and let Iran or the next warlord move in. If you were so altruistic - you would be concerned for the Iraqi people that would be left in the lurch should that happen. Contrary to what you hear - most of them are not ready to have us up and leave.


Do you any real source that suggests Iraqis want the US military to stay? I mean even one?

[SJ Bronco]

The leaders of iraq want us to stay, because otherwise their ass is grass and warlords are the mower. However, i don't really care what happens to Iraq, history has shown that all nations emerge from times of turbulence in their own time. you can't force the issue, no matter how much money you throw at it. They won't begin to correct themselves, till we become moderators not occupiers. Afganistan is a whole other issue. We set that blaze in the 80's, now we have to clean it up.

[baja]

guess he has no source kappy

[Needa Pass Rush]

Basically, if you're voting for McCain, you're voting for four more years of Bush. No thanks.

Koolaid drinker. Go vote for 4 more years of Carter then. ;)

[Rohirrim]

Koolaid drinker. Go vote for 4 more years of Carter then. ;)

Truth hurts. :welcome:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Koolaid drinker. Go vote for 4 more years of Carter then. ;)

A moron who is one of the ~19% still backing Dubya accusing someone else of being a "Kool-Aid drinker?"

That's priceless. ROFL!

[Spider]

How about I just say that I don't understand your message? How do you type so much driving a truck? I never said the gas hikes didn't hurt me. I said find a solution sooner not later. Its your guy that doesn't want to drill and tells me to keep my tires inflated. I am not saying that Repubs didn't screw up - I am telling you why I am scared of Obama.

then you dont understand much , you yapp about drilling ? what drilling ? Anwar ? please ..... thats a mud puddle compared to shale oil , and yes shale has been drilled

[NodJello]

Do you any real source that suggests Iraqis want the US military to stay? I mean even one?

Listen, of course they don't want us to stay indefinitely - just like we don't want to stay there indefinitely. Any search on google will show that some want us to stay and many want us to leave. So I will own up and say that when I said "most" - I shouldn't have. It could very well be that "most" do not want us to stay. A year or two ago they did. Putting myself in their place I would want us out of there too with the short-term vision of "let's get this thing over with". However, I believe that this will end up just like Afganistan or Viet Nam when we leave. The long-view is that the void will be filled and it won't be filled with a system that works for everyone and it certainly won't be a democracy. The Iraqis have too many Islamic sects thus many people will die when we leave unless we leave them standing up. I am optimistic and think this can be done. Apparently, you do not - we will just have to agree to disagree and let the parties in control make whatever decision they want (come what may). The spin is that the US is an Imperialistic country and I just don't believe that to be historically true (e.g. France, Germany, Canada, etc.). Sorry about the delayed response - I don't visit as often as some.

[Garcia Bronco]

A moron who is one of the ~19% still backing Dubya accusing someone else of being a "Kool-Aid drinker?"

That's priceless. ROFL!

Opposed to the 7 percent Conrgessional approval rating?

[NodJello]

then you dont understand much , you yapp about drilling ? what drilling ? Anwar ? please ..... thats a mud puddle compared to shale oil , and yes shale has been drilled

Ok, Spider then what is the answer? Is it just keeping the tires inflated and waiting for someone to invent a flux capacitor that can run on coffee grounds? If you ask me it is supply and demand. China and Russia have increased the demand but the supply has remained static. I am not saying NO to alternative fuel research. I am saying increase the supply of existing energy while we do. So what do you say, and how about offering a solution?

[oubronco]

anybody who has Islamic backing and who's wife has come out publicly stating she HATES the United States and has replaced the USA flag on his jet is NOT getting SHYT from me

[peacepipe]

anybody who has Islamic backing and who's wife has come out publicly stating she HATES the United States and has replaced the USA flag on his jet is NOT getting SHYT from me

boy,your buying the rep talking points hook,line & sinker.
1. Michelle Obama never said or indicated she hates the USA
2. the US flag is on Obamas plane, The original picture on the tail had to be painted over due to copyright infringement. It was a trademark of one of the airline businesses.
3. What islamic backing?

[TheDave]

anybody who has Islamic backing and who's wife has come out publicly stating she HATES the United States and has replaced the USA flag on his jet is NOT getting SHYT from me

WOW... let me guess you also think he took his oath of office on the koran.

[Orange_Beard]

He is too old.

[orinjkrush]

its absolutely amazing McCain has gotten as far as he has; the non-republican republican.

it should be a freakin landslide.

[gunns]

McCain? No. Phil Graham? Maybe.

On September 18, 2008, John McCain's Campaign, published a campaign ad that quoted the Washington Post's claim that Franklin Raines advises Barack Obama on economic matters. The ad also notes that "Raines made millions and then left Fannie Mae while it was under investigation for accounting irregularities".[21] Both Raines and the Obama Campaign claim that Raines is not an Obama advisor and has never advised Senator Obama. [22]

In the New York Times John Steele Gordon wrote an opinion criticizing Raines' contribution to the 2008 financial crisis caused by the failure of Fannie Mae, "...Fannie C.E.O. from 1999 to 2004, had been budget director in the Clinton White House. He cooked the books at Fannie to increase his compensation (more than $50 million)." [23]

In 2008 September U.S. Presidential candidate Senator John McCain has sought to tie Raines to McCain's opponent Barack Obama, in an effort to discredit Obama on economic issues. McCain quoted the Washington Post articles stating that Raines advises Obama. Raines and Obama state that he does not.[24] [25] The McCain campaign has made claims that the reference to Raines as an Obama advisor first appeared in the Post months before the McCain ad, and that the Obama campaign didn't seek a correction at the time[26]; however, the actual Post article referenced was written by Anita Huslin, who profiled Raines for the newspaper in July and in the article she wrote that Raines had “taken calls from Barack Obama’s presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters.”[27], but Huslin never made any claims that Raines was an "adviser" to Obama in the article ,only that Obama's campaign sought his advice.

The Washington Post characterizes John McCain's attempts to connect Sen. Obama with Franklin Raines based on their reporting as "a stretch."[28] All reporting the Washington Post did about the matter stems from a single conversation a reporter had with Raines, in which she recalls Raines said "he had gotten a couple of calls from the Obama campaign."

[gunns]

anybody who has Islamic backing and who's wife has come out publicly stating she HATES the United States and has replaced the USA flag on his jet is NOT getting SHYT from me

Do you have a link to her stating publicly she hates America? I'd like to see that.

[Orange_Beard]

The W economy is much worse then the Carter economy. If Obama is more Carter it will be a huge upgrade.

[Orange_Beard]

Do you have a link to her stating publicly she hates America? I'd like to see that.

Asking this genius for a link?

If you want to see someone who "hates" the US, go to UTube and watch Palin's speeches to the AIP.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Asking this genius for a link?

If you want to see someone who "hates" the US, go to UTube and watch Palin's speeches to the AIP.

Or her husband and the other kooks from his anti-American Alaska secessionist group.

[Orange_Beard]

Or her husband and the other kooks from his anti-American Alaska secessionist group.

I really have no idea why the "liberal" media is not all over this story.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I really have no idea why the "liberal" media is not all over this story.

Exactly.

If the media was "liberal," we would be hearing about this story and we'd be getting regular Troopergate updates.

[Orange_Beard]

Exactly.

If the media was "liberal," we would be hearing about this story and we'd be getting regular Troopergate updates.

Yeah.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[Spider]

Ok, Spider then what is the answer? Is it just keeping the tires inflated and waiting for someone to invent a flux capacitor that can run on coffee grounds? If you ask me it is supply and demand. China and Russia have increased the demand but the supply has remained static. I am not saying NO to alternative fuel research. I am saying increase the supply of existing energy while we do. So what do you say, and how about offering a solution?

you ****ing drama queen , I just said Shale oil has been drilled ? do you need it in crayon ?
give you a clue , there is more Shale oil in Colorado alone , then the entire Middle east has oil put together .......
1 Problem with Shale oil is , it is a grade lower in quality then Canadian oil ......the supply and demand myth is just that ..... Back in late 90's they wanted to pull this **** ( oil companies) Clinton threatened to release the National strategic supply , flood the market .Well you saw what happened , Now I know the truth dont mean **** to you cause you are voting McCain , but I gave you the benefit of a doubt here , and gave you an answer . Normally I dont waste my time with Idiots

[Arkie]

Are you nuts George Bush is no Maverick.

he's damn close

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[Rock Chalk]

Im voting McCain because i cant afford Obama. Its pretty simple.

He can tell me he isnt going to raise taxes all he wants but all I hear out of him is "Government will take care of this, government will take care of that, 2 trillion dollars in government spending increases".

Where the **** is that money going to come from? I cannot afford one cent more in taxes. Entitlement has gotten out of control especially in California where they need a SEVEN BILLION DOLLAR bailout. One liberal state that cannot budget its own money and its what, the 5th largest economy in the world by itself? Now, multiply that times 50 and the Country is bankrupt.

Thanks, but no thanks.

Doesn't matter, the liberal left wing media has refused to give a fair coverage of thsi election so they are going to get what they want. A ****ed up country.

[Rohirrim]

Im voting McCain because i cant afford Obama. Its pretty simple.

He can tell me he isnt going to raise taxes all he wants but all I hear out of him is "Government will take care of this, government will take care of that, 2 trillion dollars in government spending increases".

Where the **** is that money going to come from? I cannot afford one cent more in taxes. Entitlement has gotten out of control especially in California where they need a SEVEN BILLION DOLLAR bailout. One liberal state that cannot budget its own money and its what, the 5th largest economy in the world by itself? Now, multiply that times 50 and the Country is bankrupt.

Thanks, but no thanks.

Doesn't matter, the liberal left wing media has refused to give a fair coverage of thsi election so they are going to get what they want. A ****ed up country.

Wow. You make more than $250,000 per year? I'm impressed. :thumbs:

[DBruleU]

Wow. You make more than $250,000 per year? I'm impressed. :thumbs:

Don't be so naive.

[Meck77]

Im voting McCain because i cant afford Obama. Its pretty simple.

He can tell me he isnt going to raise taxes all he wants but all I hear out of him is "Government will take care of this, government will take care of that, 2 trillion dollars in government spending increases".

Where the **** is that money going to come from? I cannot afford one cent more in taxes. Entitlement has gotten out of control especially in California where they need a SEVEN BILLION DOLLAR bailout. One liberal state that cannot budget its own money and its what, the 5th largest economy in the world by itself? Now, multiply that times 50 and the Country is bankrupt.

Thanks, but no thanks.

Doesn't matter, the liberal left wing media has refused to give a fair coverage of thsi election so they are going to get what they want. A ****ed up country.

We can't afford Obama or Mccain. People called Ron Paul a radical because he told us the Federal Reserve should be abolished as far back as 2002. http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2002/cr091002b.htm

They just added a trillion bucks to your children's future without even batting an eye Raenos.

He saw the corruption with the federal reserve system. He's called out the criminals in the banking system. He also saw the disaster in Iraq and voted against it.

McBama...More of the same.

Ron Paul 2012.

[Mr.Meanie]

Doesn't matter, the liberal left wing media has refused to give a fair coverage of thsi election so they are going to get what they want. A ****ed up country.

because everything is so perfect right now :thumbsup:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Don't be so naive.

This from a half-wit who was hoodwinked by George W. Bush - twice?

ROFL!

[24champ]

We can't afford Obama or Mccain.

Correct. I didn't like hearing McCain talk about buying up bad loans homes and such. That really ticked me off, What happens if the people can't pay off the loans? The government ends up owning the homes. That's another disaster on the horizon. Most of the debate from McCain is more buyout, climate change, and claiming his big accomplishments were with Feingold, Kennedy, and Lieberman. Showed me there were 2 democrats debating tonight.

So that said, I am just going to write in Romney on election day and maybe things will get back on track in 2012.

[Rohirrim]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=3674&dateline=1221717961

I must have this woman. I must have her. I'm on my knees. She is a goddess.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Showed me there was 1 democrat and 1 corporate socialist debating tonight.


Fixed. :D

[24champ]

Fixed. :D

Least I have the Lakers to look forward to.;D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Least I have the Lakers to look forward to.;D

Yeah!

Drew is back - bigger and better. :wiggle:

[gunns]

Correct. I didn't like hearing McCain talk about buying up bad loans homes and such. That really ticked me off, What happens if the people can't pay off the loans? The government ends up owning the homes. That's another disaster on the horizon. Most of the debate from McCain is more buyout, climate change, and claiming his big accomplishments were with Feingold, Kennedy, and Lieberman. Showed me there were 2 democrats debating tonight.

So that said, I am just going to write in Romney on election day and maybe things will get back on track in 2012.

Back on track? The track we're on? EEEEEEEK!

[SJ Bronco]

Im voting McCain because i cant afford Obama. Its pretty simple.

He can tell me he isnt going to raise taxes all he wants but all I hear out of him is "Government will take care of this, government will take care of that, 2 trillion dollars in government spending increases".

Where the **** is that money going to come from? I cannot afford one cent more in taxes. Entitlement has gotten out of control especially in California where they need a SEVEN BILLION DOLLAR bailout. One liberal state that cannot budget its own money and its what, the 5th largest economy in the world by itself? Now, multiply that times 50 and the Country is bankrupt.

Thanks, but no thanks.

Doesn't matter, the liberal left wing media has refused to give a fair coverage of thsi election so they are going to get what they want. A ****ed up country.

moron, Cali's budget crisis came under republican watch....thats why we have these issues.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

moron, Cali's budget crisis came under republican watch....thats why we have these issues.

:yep:

These right-wing revisionists and RNC disinfo slingers never give up, do they?

[24champ]

moron, Cali's budget crisis came under republican watch....thats why we have these issues.

I wasn't aware California legislature is run by Republicans.

[jsco70]

[quote=24champbailey;2118573]I didn't like hearing McCain talk about buying up bad loans homes and such. That really ticked me off, What happens if the people can't pay off the loans? The government ends up owning the homes. That's another disaster on the horizon.QUOTE]

I can see it now...Uncle Sam will be the one knocking at the door with the sheriff and a foreclosure notice. That will go over real well.

[TDmvp]

Least I have the Lakers to look forward to.;D



Yeah!

Drew is back - bigger and better. :wiggle:


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:poke: :poke: :poke: :poke:
I'm just sayin ...

[SJ Bronco]

I wasn't aware California legislature is run by Republicans.

Then you don't know about Cali politics do you? The Republican governor and the republicans in Cali have been blocking the budget for months and they block every attempt to pass legislature that will help the schools and fund programs the people want and vote for, they do however find ways to fund special interest projects that come in over budget and late. Fact is, the governator so badly ruined the economy in cali by supporting the mortgage market that his ritch buddies run, that he should be brought up on grand theft charges.

[24champ]

:poke: :poke: :poke: :poke:
I'm just sayin ...

Least Pierce looks the same in an offseason softball charity event.:rofl:


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[TDmvp]

Least Pierce looks the same in an offseason softball charity event.:rofl:


http://www.beloblog.com/Pe_Blogs/prosports/pierce-softball.jpg

Hilarious!


edit ... and he grew boobies .. Yikes!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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:poke: :poke: :poke: :poke:
I'm just sayin ...

Oh no you didn't... tsk tsk

You just had to go there.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Then you don't know about Cali politics do you? The Republican governor and the republicans in Cali have been blocking the budget for months and they block every attempt to pass legislature that will help the schools and fund programs the people want and vote for, they do however find ways to fund special interest projects that come in over budget and late. Fact is, the governator so badly ruined the economy in cali by supporting the mortgage market that his ritch buddies run, that he should be brought up on grand theft charges.

That's correct.

And it started before Ah-nold was even "elected" when he was cozying up to Enron.

[SJ Bronco]

That's correct.

And it started before Ah-nold was even "elected" when he was cozying up to Enron.

Man, I had forgotten about arnolds involvement in the Cali energy crisis. The rooling black outs sucked to high heaven!

[24champ]

Then you don't know about Cali politics do you?

Sure do, I am from Southern California.


The Republican governor and the republicans in Cali have been blocking the budget for months and they block every attempt to pass legislature that will help the schools and fund programs the people want and vote for, they do however find ways to fund special interest projects that come in over budget and late. Fact is, the governator so badly ruined the economy in cali by supporting the mortgage market that his ritch buddies run, that he should be brought up on grand theft charges.

It was ruined well before Ahnold stepped in. Republicans blocked a budget that the liberal-republican Ahnold wanted passed. Republicans blocked it because CALIFORNIA IS SPENDING TOO MUCH. Wow what a concept, it's no wonder that state is a cluster**** because it spends more than it should.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ah-nold is more responsible for hosing CA's economy than any Dem in history:

Arnold's Enron Secret
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By Greg Palast (http://www.alternet.org/authors/4450/), AlterNet (http://www.alternet.org/). Posted October 5, 2003 (http://www.alternet.org/ts/archives/?date%5BF%5D=10&date%5BY%5D=2003&date%5Bd%5D=05&act=Go/).


It's not what Arnold Schwarzenegger did to the girls a decade back that should raise an eyebrow. According to a series of memoranda our office obtained today, it's his dalliance with the boys in a hotel room just two years ago that's the real scandal.


The wannabe governor has yet to deny that on May 17, 2001, at the Peninsula Hotel in Los Angeles, he had consensual political intercourse with Enron chieftain Kenneth Lay. Also frolicking with Arnold and Ken was convicted stock swindler Mike Milken.


Now, 34 pages of internal Enron memoranda have just come through this reporter's fax machine that tell all about the tryst between Maria's husband and the corporate con men. It turns out that Schwarzenegger knowingly joined the hush-hush encounter as part of a campaign to sabotage a Davis-Bustamante plan to make Enron and other power pirates then ravaging California pay back the $9 billion in illicit profits they carried off.


Here's the story Arnold doesn't want you to hear. The biggest single threat to Ken Lay and the electricity lords is a private lawsuit filed last year under California's unique Civil Code provision 17200, the "Unfair Business Practices Act." This litigation, heading to trial now in Los Angeles, would make the power companies return the $9 billion they filched from California electricity and gas customers.


It takes real cojones to bring such a suit. Who's the plaintiff taking on the bad guys? Cruz Bustamante, Lieutenant Governor and reluctant leading candidate against Schwarzenegger.


Now follow the action. One month after Cruz brings suit, Enron's Lay calls an emergency secret meeting in L.A. of his political buck-buddies, including Arnold. Their plan, to undercut Davis (according to Enron memos) and "solve" the energy crisis -- that is, make the Bustamante legal threat go away.


How can that be done? Follow the trail with me.


While Bustamante's kicking Enron butt in court, the Davis Administration is simultaneously demanding that George Bush's energy regulators order the $9 billion refund. Don't hold your breath: Bush's Federal Energy Regulatory Commission is headed by a guy proposed by ... Ken Lay.


But Bush's boys on the commission have a problem. The evidence against the electricity barons is rock solid: fraudulent reporting of sales transactions, megawatt "laundering," fake power delivery scheduling and straight out conspiracy (including meetings in hotel rooms). So the Bush commissioners cook up a terrific scheme: charge the companies with conspiracy but offer them, behind closed doors, deals in which they have to pay only 2 cents on each dollar they filched.


Problem: the slap-on-the-wrist refunds won't sail if the governor of California won't play along. Solution: Recall the Governor.
New Problem: the guy most likely to replace Davis is not Mr. Musclehead, but Cruz Bustamante, even a bigger threat to the power companies than Davis. Solution: smear Cruz because -- heaven forbid! -- he took donations from Injuns (instead of Ken Lay).


The pay-off? Once Arnold is governor, he blesses the sweetheart settlements with the power companies. When that happens, Bustamante's court cases are probably lost. There aren't many judges who will let a case go to trial to protect a state if that a governor has already allowed the matter to be "settled" by a regulatory agency.


So think about this. The state of California is in the hole by $8 billion for the coming year. That's chump change next to the $8 trillion in deficits and surplus losses planned and incurred by George Bush. Nevertheless, the $8 billion deficit is the hanging rope California's rightwing is using to lynch Governor Davis.


Yet only Davis and Bustamante are taking direct action to get back the $9 billion that was vacuumed out of the state by Enron, Reliant, Dynegy, Williams Company and the other Texas bandits who squeezed the state by the bulbs.


But if Arnold is selected, it's hasta la vista to the $9 billion. When the electricity emperors whistle, Arnold comes -- to the Peninsula Hotel or the Governor's mansion. The he-man turns pussycat and curls up in their lap.
I asked Mr. Muscle's PR people to comment on the new Enron memos -- and his strange silence on Bustamante's suit or Davis' petition. But Arnold was too busy campaigning to answer.

The Enron memos were discovered by the Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights, Los Angeles, www.ConsumerWatchdog.org (http://www.ConsumerWatchdog.org).

[SJ Bronco]

Sure do, I am from Southern California.




It was ruined well before Ahnold stepped in. Republicans blocked a budget that the liberal-republican Ahnold wanted passed. Republicans blocked it because CALIFORNIA IS SPENDING TOO MUCH. Wow what a concept, it's no wonder that state is a cluster**** because it spends more than it should.

The state is not spending too much because of the dems programs, they are over budget because of the special interests glad handing our government projects. The state votes on tax hikes and Arnold redirects the funds that are ear marked for education and transportation and gives it to his cronies that aren't making good on their contracts, he also mismanaged the state budget after he had blamed the former governor for stalling the budget and he went a month farther than gray Davis (or any other administration) ever has. Fact is Arnold's answer to the budget crisis wasn't to collect to money due from contractors and tax dodgers, it was to cut budgets for every school district causing at least one to consider bankruptcy, and cut student loan money, which his campaign promised to enhance after his long tirade on the "importance of education" The mans a crook and a liar.

[24champ]

The state is not spending too much because of the dems programs, they are over budget because of the special interests glad handing our government projects. The state votes on tax hikes and Arnold redirects the funds that are ear marked for education and transportation and gives it to his cronies that aren't making good on their contracts, he also mismanaged the state budget after he had blamed the former governor for stalling the budget and he went a month farther than gray Davis (or any other administration) ever has. Fact is Arnold's answer to the budget crisis wasn't to collect to money due from contractors and tax dodgers, it was to cut budgets for every school district causing at least one to consider bankruptcy, and cut student loan money, which his campaign promised to enhance after his long tirade on the "importance of education" The mans a crook and a liar.

Actually Ahnold sided with the Dems on the last budget crisis. He implored the Republicans to just give it up.

California needs to cut it's budget, and the Dems are not willing to do that. That's why your going to see continual tax hikes and more spending and borrowing. Problem is never going to end until you cut spending from the Budget.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Obama's "Liberal Record" In Line With Most Americans' Views

While the McCain-Palin campaign has officially begun their 30-day, swift-boating plan for Barack Obama by saying he likes to "pal around with terrorists," I'm somewhat sure they'll stop just short of Photoshopping Obama attending an al Qaeda planning meeting and focus much more intensely on defining the Democratic nominee as -- horror of horrors! -- a liberal.

"We are looking for a very aggressive last 30 days," said Greg Strimple, a McCain talking head, over the weekend. "We are looking forward to turning a page on this financial crisis and getting back to discussing Mr. Obama's aggressively liberal record and how he will be too risky for Americans."

And in the first presidential debate, McCain himself moved in that familiar direction, crowing that Obama has “the most liberal voting record in the U.S. Senate."

So I think we can see where this is going.

The Obama-Biden ticket could always hit back that the GOP again using "liberal" as a curse word ignores the fact that liberals are responsible for such all-American favorites as Social Security, Medicare, the minimum wage, the Peace Corps, Clean Air and Clean Water legislation, the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts and the Family and Medical Leave Act.

But they might do better right now by breaking down exactly what McCain and Palin are talking about when they cite the National Journal's 2007 Congressional vote rankings (http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/votes.htm) from which they cull their reference to the "most liberal" U.S. Senator in their attempts to make Obama look "too risky."

The National Journal looked at 99 Senate votes in 2007 and used those as the basis of what the McCain-Palin team sees as a stinging indictment of the Democratic ticket. Sadly for McCain, looking at many of those votes indicates that Obama is very much in the American mainstream and provides an excellent rationale for why more of us should vote for Obama and not him.

Of the votes used to give McCain his latest name-calling gambit, a good number of them show Obama on what most voters would consider the right side of issues such as the Iraq war, raising the minimum wage, energy independence, stem cell research and increased domestic security.

Two of the votes that will cause McCain and Palin to shriek "liberal" at Obama were in favor of raising the Federal Minimum wage for the first time in a decade -- something Americans overwhelmingly supported -- and against another piece of cruel Republican legislation to kill the minimum wage (http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2007/01/senate-gop-leadership-tries-to.html) entirely. And, yes, for all you folks out there making the lowest required wage rate, Senator McCain did vote to abolish it and let your employers decide based on state law or their own kindness how much you earn.

Obama also voted for a whole slew of other popular things including fully funding special education in our schools -- you know, Governor Palin, for kids with special needs -- allowing more children to get basic health care and lowering prescription drug prices on our senior citizens. Here's to hoping our elderly in Florida consider that last one and allow the "liberal" cry from John McCain to send them to the voting booth for Obama.

Stem cell research? The vast majority of Americans support that science and the promise it holds for new treatments and cures for some of the most debilitating and deadly diseases. Barack Obama supported the "liberal" position of the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act and, as a matter of fact, so did John McCain -- but that won't keep McCain and Palin from using it like a bat to beat Obama with.

The same hypocrisy is true with legislation by that flaming liberal Joe Lieberman that called for the creation of a Senate Office of Public Integrity to, as Lieberman put it, "aggressively investigate allegations of misconduct among [Senate] Members." Lieberman, McCain and other Republicans voted for that -- but somehow Barack Obama also voting in favor makes him an evil liberal American.

American energy independence is one of the hot topics this campaign season and yet two votes cast by Obama to reduce U.S. dependency on foreign oil will be assailed by Team McCain -- even though John McCain couldn’t even be bothered to show up for either of those votes.

And on Iraq, caring for our troops fighting there and in Afghanistan and securing America within our own borders, Obama has consistently voted for what "Main Street" thinks is right and which again, in Bizarro Republican World, would make voting in step with the American people a bad thing.

The majority of Americans no longer want us bogged down in the Iraq quagmire and all of Obama's votes to set a timeline to get the hell out of that mess makes for more GOP evidence of his "liberal" ideals. Obama also voted to implement the 9/11 Commission recommendations -- how did that become a liberal stance? -- and to fund screening of cargo containers at major U.S. shipping ports… McCain didn’t show up for work to vote on those issues that day either.

Finally, it's a very strange part of the election cycle when the McCain-Palin team thinks it can turn votes Obama made on behalf of America's troops and their families against him -- but they're going to do exactly that when it comes to the Democratic nominee's efforts to limit the duration of Iraq deployments and extend the period of downtime troops receive with their families before they can be sent back.

"This is an amendment that is focused squarely on supporting our troops who are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan," said Senator Jim Webb (D-VA), a combat Veteran, arguing for one of two bills he authored to give troops more time between deployments. "It speaks directly to their welfare and to the needs of their families by establishing minimum periods between deployments for both our regular and reserve components."

Obama voted with the troops and their families on that issue, McCain voted against them -- and this is a bad thing for Obama?

Republican Senator Chuck Hagel sponsored a bill to limit Iraq deployments to 12 months saying that the extended tours favored by the Bush administration is "…wearing down the troops and their families, impacting the mental and physical health of our troops."

Again, wherever Sarah Palin speaks in the next month, she will try to convince voters that Obama siding with Hagel and military families was a nasty liberal plot while McCain voting with Bush and against the troops was the right thing to do.

So we're in the homestretch. The Obama-Biden ticket is surging in the polls and even making states like Indiana and North Carolina look like they may vote Democratic this year -- so desperate times will call for desperate and dirty Republican tricks and labeling.

But if they're going to resort to their tired old tactic of standing on the street corner like crazy people yelling "liberal, liberal, liberal," let's at least let them know that, along with Obama and Joe Biden, they're including the mainstream of America under that umbrella.

Update: You can go here to see a chart (http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2008/10/obama-votes-mccain-finds-so-offensive.html) of Obama votes that the McCain-Palin ticket finds so offensive.

[Rohirrim]

"This is an amendment that is focused squarely on supporting our troops who are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan," said Senator Jim Webb (D-VA), a combat Veteran, arguing for one of two bills he authored to give troops more time between deployments. "It speaks directly to their welfare and to the needs of their families by establishing minimum periods between deployments for both our regular and reserve components."

Obama voted with the troops and their families on that issue, McCain voted against them -- and this is a bad thing for Obama?

Republican Senator Chuck Hagel sponsored a bill to limit Iraq deployments to 12 months saying that the extended tours favored by the Bush administration is "…wearing down the troops and their families, impacting the mental and physical health of our troops."

Again, wherever Sarah Palin speaks in the next month, she will try to convince voters that Obama siding with Hagel and military families was a nasty liberal plot while McCain voting with Bush and against the troops was the right thing to do.

McCain is a POS.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

McCain is a POS.

Indeed...

One Week After McCain Claims Vets 'Know I'll Take Care Of them' IAVA Gives Him A 'D' (http://www.buzzflash.net/story.php?id=73803)

[Crushaholic]

There's several different conversations going on in this thread (big surprise ROFL! ). I'll address the original question. I'm voting AGAINST Obama, and McCain is the only viable choice. I wish it wasn't that way, but it is...

[TailgateNut]

There's several different conversations going on in this thread (big surprise ROFL! ). I'll address the original question. I'm voting AGAINST Obama, and McCain is the only viable choice. I wish it wasn't that way, but it is...


Are you voting against Obama because he's black, or because he's a terrorist?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Is anyone voting FOR McCain?

Looks like W*GS will be.

National Rifle Association endorses McCain (AP) (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/topstories/*http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081009/ap_on_el_pr/nra_mccain)

[Rohirrim]

The NRA is an extremist organization. I'm not surprised they would back McCain.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The NRA is an extremist organization. I'm not surprised they would back McCain.

Especially with Dominionist Barbie on the ticket. :giggle:

[Orange_Beard]

Who cares about the NRA?
This "endorsement" is not going to change anyone's vote?

[Atlas]

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[Bronco Bob]

I've been leaning toward Obama for the past month, but this Franklyn Raines business and the fact that he already isn't on trial gives me pause. He should be in jail with JEff Skilling.

What does Frankln Raines have to do with Obama, other than a couple
of phone calls between Raines and the Obama campaign. Did Obama
himself ever even speak to Raines?

[Bronco Bob]

Opposed to the 7 percent Conrgessional approval rating?

48.2% of the voters prefer a Democratic Congress.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/generic_congressional_vote-901.html

[Bronco Bob]

anybody who has Islamic backing and who's wife has come out publicly stating she HATES the United States and has replaced the USA flag on his jet is NOT getting SHYT from me

I thought we were talking about Obama vs McCain. Who is this person you
are talking about?

[Bronco Bob]

he's damn close

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The irony is that George W. Bush is a better pilot than McCain.
Count how many planes Bush crashed verses how many McCain crashed.

[Bronco Bob]

Is anyone voting FOR McCain?

Looks like W*GS will be.

National Rifle Association endorses McCain (AP) (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/topstories/*http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081009/ap_on_el_pr/nra_mccain)

And in my post about the miners walking out when the NRA was filming
an anti-Obama ad, W*gs kept insisting the NRA wasn't in the tank
for McCain.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

And in my post about the miners walking out when the NRA was filming
an anti-Obama ad, W*gs kept insisting the NRA wasn't in the tank
for McCain.

Ooops! :giggle: