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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-02-2008, 08:42 PM
Agreed. I was quite surprised that her canned talking points more often than not caused the meters to drop.
It's because she is tying herself to the Bush years every time she uses them insofar as they are the same talking points Bush used in the last election.
Thanks for helping Obama's campaign in that endeavor, Sarah! :wave:
Rohirrim
10-02-2008, 08:44 PM
I dunno if she was all cliches ... I thought she was a compelling, charming figure, and I'd have to say I kinda like her now. But not in any elected capacity ;D
I think she scored a "Boffo!" on the American Idol meter. It was really neat!
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-02-2008, 08:45 PM
I dunno if she was all cliches ... I thought she was a compelling, charming figure, and I'd have to say I kinda like her now. But not in any elected capacity ;D
:oyvey:
She came off like a 40+ year-old still trying to fit into her high school cheerleader outfit.
Rohirrim
10-02-2008, 08:46 PM
:oyvey:
She came off like a 40+ year-old still trying to fit into her high school cheerleader outfit.
I'd like to see that. :wiggle:
No. Really.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-02-2008, 08:46 PM
Yeah, well if you set the high jump bar at one foot the whole phys ed class will make it. Builds self esteem, gosh darn it.
:yep:
That sums up her appeal in a nutshell.
BroncoBuff
10-02-2008, 08:47 PM
She came off like a 40+ year-old still trying to fit into her high school cheerleader outfit.
And that's a bad thing ... how?
Those that liked her going in love her now while those that saw through her going in were not fooled by the well practiced show Sarah managed to pull off.
She had some great style moments I'll give her that.
Bronco Bob
10-02-2008, 08:48 PM
:D
The fact that she didn't means she was a rip-roaring success in dman's mind.
That's how low the righties have set the bar.
Remember how I said if Palin didn't fall to the floor foaming at the mouth
and flopping around like a fish, the right wingers would declare her the winner?
Bronco Bob
10-02-2008, 08:49 PM
yet the righties keep winning......says someting about the left candidates huh?
Remind us again who is Speaker of the House?
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-02-2008, 08:51 PM
And that's a bad thing ... how?
Yikes!
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-02-2008, 08:52 PM
Remember how I said if Palin didn't fall to the floor foaming at the mouth
and flopping around like a fish, the right wingers would declare her the winner?
You called it. :D
Debate aside ask yourself one question. Would you feel comfortable with Sarah Palin as your president?
Bronco Bob
10-02-2008, 08:54 PM
I was disappointed in Gwen. She did zero follow-ups even when Palin completely side-stepped questions. It was a real fluff job.
From what I understand about the debate format, as part of the negotiations
by the McCain camp was that follow up questions weren't allowed.
Rohirrim
10-02-2008, 08:54 PM
Debate aside ask yourself one question. Would you feel comfortable with Sarah Palin as your president?
Well gee golly you betcha!
Remember how I said if Palin didn't fall to the floor foaming at the mouth
and flopping around like a fish, the right wingers would declare her the winner?
You and about 5 others here.
Well gee golly you betcha!
I'm fishing for Dman here....
BroncoBuff
10-02-2008, 08:57 PM
Debate aside ask yourself one question. Would you feel comfortable with Sarah Palin as your president?
No way.
She'd be a great neighbor, though.
Or a great sheriff....
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2008/02/05/2004165978.jpg
C'maahhn! I toll ya' ... eff-arry kid gitssa troo-fee!
Ee-fin those what lost.
Rohirrim
10-02-2008, 08:58 PM
It finally dawned on me who Palin reminds me of:
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Bronco Bob
10-02-2008, 08:59 PM
Debate aside ask yourself one question. Would you feel comfortable with Sarah Palin as your president?
No. Nor would I with McCain
But I would with Biden. Even more so than with Obama.
BroncoBuff
10-02-2008, 09:00 PM
It finally dawned on me who Palin reminds me of:
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ROFL!
Wait .... Mini or Goofy?
Rohirrim
10-02-2008, 09:00 PM
ROFL!
Wait .... Mini or Goofy?
A combo. ;D
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-02-2008, 09:04 PM
ROFL!
Wait .... Mini or Goofy?
:rofl:
BroncoBuff
10-02-2008, 09:04 PM
It's because she is tying herself to the Bush years every time she uses them insofar as they are the same talking points Bush used in the last election.
If I have one criticism of Biden tonight - and it's not easy, as he had a remarkable debate - it would be that he didn't mention George Bush enough.
Rohirrim
10-02-2008, 09:07 PM
Chris Matthews just had the best line of the night. He was talking about when Palin was agreeing with Cheney's ideas about the VP job and how she would "preside" over the Senate and Matthews said, "What's that? I thought she was going to launch into a discussion of sacred bodily fluids." :rofl:
BroncoBuff
10-02-2008, 09:12 PM
I'm not sure I get it Roh ... did Matthews mean "precious" bodily fluids? Even so, I don't see how presiding over the senate evokes such an image. Maybe another "Matthews Moment"?
Sterling Hayden classics ... "He's clean. I've frisked a thousand punks like him."
Broncosfreak_56
10-02-2008, 09:18 PM
Soccer Moms and Joe-six-packs for Palin.http://forums.denverbroncos.com/images/smilies/th_wink.gif
What a joke.
Biden won. Easily.
Whenever Sarah Palin was backed into a corner, she reverted back to her little energy thing. And that happened more often than not the first half of the debate. Not very impressive strategy; don't know what to say or what the hell is being talked about, go to the only thing you know. Not to mention that it seemed like she was answering questions the way a model would in a beauty pageant. Oh, wait. Her whole informal tone was irritating, as was her constant "John McCain is a Maverick" thing.
Biden stuck to the points, and answered all the questions. Palin didn't do that. She didn't even answer questions directed towards her. For that alone, Biden wins. I like the people I vote for to know what they are doing in everything, not just one subject.
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Paladin
10-02-2008, 09:22 PM
Biden said it. The role of the VP is defined in the Constitution. Cheaney should have been impeached a long time ago. Thank god there are only three and a half months to go before the Purge is on...
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-02-2008, 09:24 PM
Biden said it. The role of the VP is defined in the Constitution. Cheaney should have been impeached a long time ago. Thank god there are only three and a half months to go before the Purge is on...
QFT.
BroncoBuff
10-02-2008, 09:28 PM
Soccer Moms and Joe-six-packs for Palin.http://forums.denverbroncos.com/images/smilies/th_wink.gif
What a joke.
Biden won. Easily.
Whenever Sarah Palin was backed into a corner, she reverted back to her little energy thing. And that happened more often than not the first half of the debate. Not very impressive strategy; don't know what to say or what the hell is being talked about, go to the only thing you know. Not to mention that it seemed like she was answering questions the way a model would in a beauty pageant. Oh, wait. Her whole informal tone was irritating, as was her constant "John McCain is a Maverick" thing.
Biden stuck to the points, and answered all the questions. Palin didn't do that. She didn't even answer questions directed towards her. For that alone, Biden wins. I like the people I vote for to know what they are doing in everything, not just one subject.
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Biden had a near-flawless debate, showcasing his impressive depth of knowledge and experience in domestic and foreign policy. But Palin's 'confidence and a smile,' especially in that expectations were so low, probably will have her winning among undecideds polled. What a country.
ScottXray
10-02-2008, 09:29 PM
It wasn't a slam dunk for Biden, but it didn't have to be.. Palin did about as well as she could like I expected, but Biden outclassed her easily. I especiallly liked his point about what the constitution says is the role of VP, something she does not have a clue about. That was the only time he directed much of anything her way, and defused it by critcising Cheney.
I have to agree about the point that I just wouldn't feel comfortable with her anywhere NEAR the white house, while Biden would do fine. Secondly, Politics is the game in DC, and she brings nothing to the table there. Biden will be influential, Palin will be a brick around McCains neck in the congress.
Actually it was a slam dunk...but Biden gave her a little grace, and didn't attack her. He kept on point about McCain the entire time.
Broncosfreak_56
10-02-2008, 09:32 PM
Biden had a near-flawless debate, showcasing his impressive depth of knowledge and experience in domestic and foreign policy. But Palin's 'confidence and a smile,' especially in that expectations were so low, probably will have her winning among undecideds polled. What a country.
It truly is sad.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-02-2008, 09:36 PM
Biden had a near-flawless debate, showcasing his impressive depth of knowledge and experience in domestic and foreign policy. But Palin's 'confidence and a smile,' especially in that expectations were so low, probably will have her winning among undecideds polled. What a country.
There were more than a few cracks in the "confidence/smile" facade if the righties cared to look.
There were plenty of deer/headlights moments as well.
ScottXray
10-02-2008, 10:13 PM
I don't think she did anything to swing any undecideds or independents her way. Those people probably said...well she IS trainable given enough time.
But so are good dogs.
And if you watched the approve o meter on CNN she actuallly went DOWN every time she pulled her folksy , soccer mom lines out.
She may have relieved the Republicans that she wasn't as completely vapid as the interviews painted her, but she didn't convince many independents unless they already were leaning that way. No bounce for McCain from this, and maybe a slight one for Obama/Biden.
SJ Bronco
10-02-2008, 10:17 PM
I think Biden blew it. He should have hammered her. He let her lie to his face and the public. He should have killed her when he mentioned Obama voting against the troop funding, and when she talked about the Alaska pipeline that we all know isn't even ok'd let alone being built. Should have hammered her on the "raising taxes for the middle class" which is a gross out and out lie. It was simply a vote to discontinue the bush tax cuts in order to raise a new set of tax cuts for the middle class and not the Ceo's on Wall street. Biden failed.
Hogan11
10-02-2008, 10:18 PM
Biden had a near-flawless debate, showcasing his impressive depth of knowledge and experience in domestic and foreign policy. But Palin's 'confidence and a smile,' especially in that expectations were so low, probably will have her winning among undecideds polled. What a country.
I doubt it....I've seen more than one indie on TV reference the "I've only been at this 5 weeks" comment she gave early on as a clear indication that she's the least ready for anything of the entire bunch. She closed a lot of doors with that one remark it appears. Will it make a difference overall? I seriously doubt it. McCain remains in serious trouble.....as his throwing in the towel in Michigan attests to.
Her 15 minutes is pretty much effectively over with tonight.....unless she gives another boneheaded interview that is.
DenverBrit
10-02-2008, 10:52 PM
The sad thing is, the country has a population of over 300 million.......are these really the best candidates that could be found for the President & VP of the most powerful country in the world?? ???
The sad thing is, the country has a population of over 300 million.......are these really the best candidates that could be found for the President & VP of the most powerful country in the world?? ???
Hell Gwen the moderator would have made a better VP candidate than Palin.
TailgateNut
10-03-2008, 06:35 AM
Hell Gwen the moderator would have made a better VP candidate than Palin.
That ought to ruffle Dmans' feathers. A woman who is an African American.
Holy shiat!:spit:
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-03-2008, 06:38 AM
That ought to ruffle Dmans' feathers. A woman who is an African American.
Holy shiat!:spit:
That would be dman's worst nightmare. :giggle:
(Think Eddie Murphy as "Billy Ray Valentine" in that scene in "48 Hours" where he rousts the redneck bar - only a female version.) ;)
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-03-2008, 07:17 AM
Palin Scored Points, But She Didn�t Win http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/nt/ic/ut/bsc/newwin12_1.gif (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/fc/US/2008_presidential_election/opinion___editorials/SIG=13fa68k3b;_ylt=A0WTUc2DJ.ZILQYBJwXCw5R4/*http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/racetothefinish/archive/2008/10/03/palin-scored-points-but-she-didn-t-win.aspx) at Newsweek, Oct 03
Palin meets expectations but still falls short (http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081003/pl_politico/14235;_ylt=A0WTUc2DJ.ZILQYBLgXCw5R4) Politico
Old Dude
10-03-2008, 07:24 AM
I think it was mostly an exercise in damage control for the McCain camp. Most of his policies aren't all that different from Bush. His voting record certainly isn't. He's in the same party with the same kind of platforms. So his argument from day one has had to be that he's a better technician than Bush; i.e. the ideas are right, it's the execution that's been lacking. So he would appoint more energetic people, cut corruption, and get more stuff done with his bipartisan skills. In football terms, there's nothing wrong with the gameplan, "but I'm a better quarterback."
So it was quite a disaster when his first major "appointment" - - his V.P. ... turns out looking like a complete bimbo.
That had to be fixed.
(And, BTW, it didn't help that, the same week, McCain's first demonstration of his bipartisan skills blew up in his face when Congress balked on the first bailout package.)
But this was all about showing that Palin is not a bimbo.
Damage control. Mission more or less accomplished.
But at this late date in the campaign, the last thing you want to be doing is damage control. If he's to have any chance, he needs to get back on the road, and fast.
Meanwhile, Biden just hammered away at the central vulnerability of the McCain campaign (which any republican candidate would have had to deal with ...) 4 more years of Bush policies.
IOW, your game plan has sucked since day one, and it sucks even more now.
McCain = Bush = Obama win.
Pretty simple strategy, and it seems to be working.
For all the people who have been asking what the heck does Obama mean when he says "CHANGE" ...
... it means wiping the Bush administration out of Washington. Every last trace of it.
22 percent approval rating ... lowest for any sitting President in more than 50 years. If the Dems can't move the ball against that weak spot, they may as well just disband the party.
Old Dude
10-03-2008, 07:52 AM
I found this after I wrote the above, and it says exactly what I was trying to say but better:
http://www.kren.com/Global/story.asp?S=9118608
Especially this:
Biden relentlessly and clearly delivered a specific message he had been assigned to hammer home: McCain-Palin would be four more years of Bush-Cheney. Biden mentioned President Bush more than a dozen times.
"Look, past is prologue, Gwen," he said at one point. "The issue is, how different is John McCain's policy going to be than George Bush's? I haven't heard anything yet."
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-03-2008, 07:58 AM
I found this after I wrote the above, and it says exactly what I was trying to say but better:
http://www.kren.com/Global/story.asp?S=9118608
Especially this:
Biden relentlessly and clearly delivered a specific message he had been assigned to hammer home: McCain-Palin would be four more years of Bush-Cheney. Biden mentioned President Bush more than a dozen times.
"Look, past is prologue, Gwen," he said at one point. "The issue is, how different is John McCain's policy going to be than George Bush's? I haven't heard anything yet."
Thanks - I was looking for that last quote too.
The prom queen looked like a moose in the headlights when Joe brought that hammer down. :D
With that one quote, Biden exposed the heart of the sham that is McCheese/Palin.
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