View Full Version : Economic circus blowback: McCain's grip on presidency slipping
Taco John
10-02-2008, 10:51 AM
SIREN -- THE NARRATIVE IS ON FIRE – NBC NEWS POLITICAL DIRECTOR CHUCK TODD SOUNDS THE ALARM ON MSNBC’S “MORNING JOE”: “All the trend lines are pointing in Obama’s direction …. [Pointing to a series of battleground-state polls] This should really scare the McCain campaign. This thing -- it’s at a tipping point. And this debate, frankly, is coming at GOOD time for McCain because he needs something – anything – to stop this Obama momentum. … The pressure is all on Sarah Palin, not just for her own persona, but to SAVE THE McCAIN CAMPAIGN. … I think Virginia, frankly, is a trailing indicator of the national numbers. … John McCain is campaigning in Missouri later this week. That’s not a good sign. You shouldn’t have to be worrying about Missouri at this point.”
CNN MAP CHANGES – MISSOURI AND MINNESOTA TREND OBAMA -- Flipped Missouri from light red to tossup. And flipped Minnesota from tossup to light blue. Latest CNN electoral vote estimate: Obama 250, McCain 189.
“Poll Finds Obama Gaining Support and McCain Weakened in Bailout Crisis,” by Adam Nagourney and Megan Thee: “Senator Barack Obama is showing signs of gaining significant support among voters with less than five weeks left until Election Day, while Senator John McCain’s image has been damaged by his response to the financial crisis. A CBS News poll released Wednesday found that Mr. Obama’s favorability rating, at 48 percent, is the highest it has ever been in polls conducted by CBS and The New York Times. At the same time, the number of voters who hold an unfavorable view of Mr. McCain — 42 percent — is as high as it has been since CBS News and The Times began asking the question about Mr. McCain in 1999, the first time he ran for president.
“The CBS News poll showed that Mr. Obama had a nine-percentage-point lead over Mr. McCain — 49 percent to 40 percent. It is the first time Mr. Obama has held a statistically significant lead over Mr. McCain this year in polls conducted by CBS or joint polls by CBS and The Times. And a series of polls taken in highly contested states released by other organizations on Tuesday suggested that Mr. Obama was building leads in states including Florida, Pennsylvania and Virginia.”
BUT BUT BUT (Halperin homage) -- McCain political director MIKE DuHAIME tells MSNBC’s Norah O’Donnell: “The polls are very much in flux. This race is going to be very, very close, down to the wire -- not only nationally, but in a lot of key states. So I feel very good about where we are right now. No doubt that the polls are going to be in flux. But in terms of looking forward, I feel very confident.”
SHOT -- GOV. PALIN TELLS SEAN HANNITY SHE’S LOOKING FORWARD TO TONIGHT’S DEBATE – “I look forward to … getting to speak directly to Americans, without that filter of mainstream media trying to I think maybe censor some of my comments as we lay out the contrasts between these two different tickets. It's going to be a very clear choice that Americans have on November 4”
“CLEAR CHOICE”! EVER NOTICE HOW STEVE SCHMIDT SEEMS TO ALWAYS WORK RACES WHERE THERE’S A “CLEAR CHOICE”?
CHASER – LINDA DOUGLASS on “Fox & Friends”: “John McCain is now blaming everything that's happening to his campaign on the press. This is a candidate who would not be the Republican nominee were it not for the fawning coverage he got in his first campaign.”
NBC’s Andrea Mitchell, on “Today”: “Palin is no newcomer to debates, debating more than two dozen times in her run for governor.”
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Taco John
10-02-2008, 10:52 AM
Intrade has Obama winning by a landslide right now:
http://www.intrade.com/
Taco John
10-02-2008, 10:53 AM
McCain is crashing hard at InTrade:
http://data.intrade.com/graphing/temp/chart122285711929236805.png
Taco John
10-02-2008, 10:56 AM
Here is the Obama Chart:
http://data.intrade.com/graphing/temp/chart122285711929236865.png
Old Dude
10-02-2008, 11:11 AM
Pretty good analysis of the overall electoral picture here:
http://www.411mania.com/politics/columns/86684
And here:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/01/electoral-map-update-swing-state-trends-in-obamas-direction/
At this point, the state polls are starting to reflect the same movement we’ve seen in the national polls over the last couple of weeks,” said CNN Senior Political Researcher Alan Silverleib. “Obama has been on an upward swing ever since the meltdown on Wall Street. The economic crisis is reinforcing the country’s desire for change, which is in turn helping the Democrats. If the current trends hold and McCain loses traditional red states like Florida and Virginia, it is hard to see how he can get to 270 electoral votes on Election Day.”
cutthemdown
10-02-2008, 11:12 AM
It really looks like Obama will be the President and Dems will control both houses.
Rohirrim
10-02-2008, 11:17 AM
I don't think this is caused by the America's "need for change" as much as McCain's reeling from pillar to post like a bumper car while Obama has kept his cool. A couple of days ago McCain gave a speech blaming the Dems and Obama for this credit debacle, then in an interview said he wasn't blaming them, then gave a speech saying this is no time to look for blame, then put out an ad blaming Obama and the Dems. I'm sure a lot of Americans are just scratching their heads because they have no idea what the hell McCain believes in from moment to moment. As least Obama comes across as the steadier hand on the wheel. McCain comes across as Captain Queeg.
Old Dude
10-02-2008, 11:19 AM
My feeling is that the economy is a lot bigger issue than anything going on in the VP contest.
Best chance for McCain would be if the economy rebounds (and darned fast.) A major foreign crisis wouldn't hurt him either.
Rohirrim
10-02-2008, 11:20 AM
My feeling is that the economy is a lot bigger issue than anything going on in the VP contest.
Best chance for McCain would be if the economy rebounds (and darned fast.) A major foreign crisis wouldn't hurt him either.
It would have to be a major crisis to take peoples' minds off the economy right now, on the order of magnitude of 911.
Old Dude
10-02-2008, 11:29 AM
It would have to be a major crisis to take peoples' minds off the economy right now, on the order of magnitude of 911.
Yup. Best bets would be a major terrorist strike or some nuclear level threat from the axis of evil guys.
Meck77
10-02-2008, 11:34 AM
I'm so fed up with it all that personally I don't care who wins. What I do want is for the majority of people to have "that warm fuzzy feeling" about who is president. If Obama does it for them and that builds some false sense consumer confidence so be it.
TailgateNut
10-02-2008, 12:05 PM
I'm so fed up with it all that personally I don't care who wins. What I do want is for the majority of people to have "that warm fuzzy feeling" about who is president. If Obama does it for them and that builds some false sense consumer confidence so be it.
False sense of consumer confidence??? WTF kind of wish is that?
We need, and will elect someone who isn't FOS, which is the case with MR. "Reed in the wind"/err: "the economy is sound" .
His health care proposals stink, his economic ideas reek, and his lies are finally catching up to him and burying his ass. Good ridance to the republican party GOP/aka Greedy old people.
Meck77
10-02-2008, 12:12 PM
Well the wish is "consumer confidence" nut but we just added a trillion bucks to the bottom line. No matter how great retails sales are, no matter how much the market appreciates, it's still a house of cards and nothing but a false sense of security. That is what I meant.
The more I read people's posts and watch the news the more this whole bailout makes me realize it was a huge mistake. If nothing else though maybe everyone realized that borrowing every damn dime to create some brady bunch lifestyle is not a good idea anymore.
SJ Bronco
10-02-2008, 12:18 PM
I really think people are forgetting how good the devil is at stealing elections. How do you think we got in this mess to begin with. I won't feel good until McCain loses. Then I'll exhale. Not big on Obama, but anything is better than the devil himself.
TailgateNut
10-02-2008, 12:19 PM
Well the wish is "consumer confidence" nut but we just added a trillion bucks to the bottom line. No matter how great retails sales are, no matter how much the market appreciates, it's still a house of cards and nothing but a false sense of security. That is what I meant.
The more I read people's posts and watch the news the more this whole bailout makes me realize it was a huge mistake. If nothing else though maybe everyone realized that borrowing every damn dime to create some brady bunch lifestyle is not a good idea anymore.
Time to wake up those who have been living in an artificial dream world. A rude awaking for many.
Time to become aquainted with "LIMITS". Not limits based on credit, but true limits.
Crushaholic
10-02-2008, 12:37 PM
McCain made a bigger show regarding this "crisis". However, BOTH McCain and Obama voted in favor of this plan. This issue can't legitimately be used against either candidate.
TailgateNut
10-02-2008, 12:39 PM
McCain made a bigger show regarding this "crisis". However, BOTH McCain and Obama voted in favor of this plan. This issue can't legitimately be used against either candidate.
Hilarious! Made a bigger show.Hilarious!
The ****ing guy is clueless!
frerottenextelway
10-02-2008, 12:52 PM
McCain is pulling his staff, ads, and all other resources out of Michigan.
McCain really has no shot left at this thing, especially with early voting going on now.
bronco militia
10-02-2008, 01:03 PM
This issue can't legitimately be used against either candidate.
you're kidding right?
they both lost my vote
Garcia Bronco
10-02-2008, 01:05 PM
A couple of days ago McCain gave a speech blaming the Dems and Obama for this credit debacle, then in an interview said he wasn't blaming them, then gave a speech saying this is no time to look for blame, then put out an ad blaming Obama and the Dems.
He's right though. That's the amusing part.
frerottenextelway
10-02-2008, 01:31 PM
early voting semi-results in Georgia
A disproportionate number of Georgia’s 194,138 early voters are African-American, in what could be an encouraging sign for Sen. Barack Obama’s presidential campaign.
As of Wednesday, about 39 percent of those voters — 74,961 — are African-Americans, Georgia Secretary of State Karen Handel’s office said.
African-Americans make up 29 percent of registered voters in the state, according to Oct.1 figures. They cast 25 percent of the total votes cast in the presidential election four years ago.
Beantown Bronco
10-02-2008, 01:38 PM
He's right though. That's the amusing part.
It's pretty easy to be right when you guess both true and false in a true/false test.
TailgateNut
10-02-2008, 01:39 PM
It's pretty easy to be right when you guess both true and false in a true/false test.
It'll take GB a while to get that one.ROFL!
Rohirrim
10-02-2008, 01:50 PM
He's right though. That's the amusing part.
Yep. The Republicans had absolutely nothing to do with it. Totally innocent bystanders. :spit:
Old Dude
10-02-2008, 02:02 PM
October comebacks aren't easy:
http://www.pollster.com/blogs/can_mccain_make_an_october_com.php
... but I can recall Ford almost pulling off a big one against Carter. And it seemed like the 2000 Gore/Bush race kept swinging back and forth all the way to the end (and beyond.)
watermock
10-02-2008, 02:39 PM
Obama effectively distanced himself from this. Or moreso, McCain showed to be ineffectual in supporting it too soon. He should of stayed away lke his house conservatives did.
Obama's hands are far from clean from this as had allready been seen, but rhetoric seems to entrance his followers. Honestly, I can't believe this country can't come up with someone acceptable. They all suck.
Bronco Bob
10-02-2008, 04:04 PM
early voting semi-results in Georgia
People are starting to wake up to the rigged Diebold voting machines.
Harder to rig a hard copy paper ballot, which is what is required to vote
early.
Bronco Bob
10-02-2008, 04:15 PM
October comebacks aren't easy:
http://www.pollster.com/blogs/can_mccain_make_an_october_com.php
... but I can recall Ford almost pulling off a big one against Carter. And it seemed like the 2000 Gore/Bush race kept swinging back and forth all the way to the end (and beyond.)
Then again Bush dominated Kerry is almost every major poll from the beginning
of November on. On October 2, 2004 some had it a tie, but most had Bush leading Kerry by anywhere from 3 to 6 points.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry.html
So in this case the guy ahead in October won it.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-02-2008, 04:15 PM
My feeling is that the economy is a lot bigger issue than anything going on in the VP contest.
Yep.
And Americans know from experience that the Democrats do a better job of managing the economy.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-02-2008, 04:17 PM
Yep. The Republicans had absolutely nothing to do with it. Totally innocent bystanders. :spit:
And Garcia is not a republican. ;)
http://www.bartcop.com/mccain-the-pimp.jpg
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-03-2008, 02:01 AM
Quotes
"I’ve turned to her advice many times in the past..."
- McLiar, when asked if he could turn to Palin for advice in a foreign policy crisis Link (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/01/mccain-palin-advice/)
But John, you only met her once prior to five weeks ago.
What's this "past" you claim to have with Palin?