Any good 3-4 coaches out there? [Archive] - The Orange Mane

rovolution

09-30-2008, 09:49 AM

On another thread, someone said he doesnt have any experience coaching defense though. If Rex Ryan were to go...

yea lol my bad. deleted my post. i thought the topic said are there 3 to 4 good coaches out there?

read it more carefully and you meant 3-4 Defense coaches. my bad.

dont really know. doesnt really matter considering we dont have a NT to run a 3-4 effectively.

jmz313

09-30-2008, 09:50 AM

Rex Ryan ain't gonna get fired so the only hope would eb a truck load of cash and a Assistant head coach title. But would he even help?

Slade

09-30-2008, 09:51 AM

I wish we got Shaun Rogers instead of Robertson! I think Robertson has played NT in the 3-4 before though.

If we trade Champ we could get that guy though, and maybe a quality safety as well!

yea lol my bad. deleted my post. i thought the topic said are there 3 to 4 good coaches out there?

read it more carefully and you meant 3-4 Defense coaches. my bad.

dont really know. doesnt really matter considering we dont have a NT to run a 3-4 effectively.

alkemical

09-30-2008, 09:52 AM

Any one know if there are any unemployed 3-4 coaches right now?

Romeo Crennel....

Slade

09-30-2008, 09:53 AM

Anything would be an upgrade over what we have right now. Heck, I could do a better job then Slowik! What is the worst that can happen? We will have the worst D in the league?

Rex Ryan ain't gonna get fired so the only hope would eb a truck load of cash and a Assistant head coach title. But would he even help?

Slade

09-30-2008, 09:54 AM

Sounds perfect to me, he is used to not having tons of talent and making the most of what he has!

Romeo Crennel....

Dudeskey

09-30-2008, 09:55 AM

Romeo Crennel....

I almost forgot... he could be available soon. The front 7's ate up as it is anyway, so theoretically a switch wouldn't be too painful w/ regards to the cap...™

Beantown Bronco

09-30-2008, 10:03 AM

Sounds perfect to me, he is used to not having tons of talent and making the most of what he has!

Actually, as he has demonstrated since leaving NE, Crennel absolutely sucks if he doesn't have the best DLinemen in the league. Any coach would look great with the guys he had in NE.

Slade

09-30-2008, 10:06 AM

Richard Seymour would suck in Denver. And besides him, who did the pats have? A bunch of over achievers! That is what we need, and thinnk we have them, just non are in the starting line up.

Actually, as he has demonstrated since leaving NE, Crennel absolutely sucks if he doesn't have the best DLinemen in the league. Any coach would look great with the guys he had in NE.

Slade

09-30-2008, 10:07 AM

Wilfork=Marcus Thomas...

Thomas has talent and just needs to be used right

nickademus

09-30-2008, 10:11 AM

I have been saying we need to poach Mike Singletary from SF throw him the top spot on D and give him the assistant HC title as well.

Beantown Bronco

09-30-2008, 10:15 AM

Wilfork=Marcus Thomas...

Thomas has talent and just needs to be used right

You are absolutely insane if you think that Marcus Thomas is as good as Vince Wilfork right now. You are talking about one of the top 3 interior linemen in the game. Who seriously thinks M. Thomas is even a top 10 interior lineman right now?

And who else did he have in NE? Ty Warren, who is better than any DE currently on the Broncos BY FAR. Jarvis Green, a backup for NE, yet he is averaging 7 sacks a season. Instantly would be the Broncos best DE.

The Broncos do not have a single DLineman on their roster who would excel in a 3-4 defense. The Pats have 4 who have proven that they can do it, and have done it now for years.

broncofan7

09-30-2008, 11:23 AM

Mark my words--if that is the direction that the Broncos choose to go, and I am for it...WADE PHILLIPS will be let go when Dallas does not win the SB. Jason Garrett will be running that show in 2009.....

broncofan7

09-30-2008, 11:27 AM

You are absolutely insane if you think that Marcus Thomas is as good as Vince Wilfork right now. You are talking about one of the top 3 interior linemen in the game. Who seriously thinks M. Thomas is even a top 10 interior lineman right now?

And who else did he have in NE? Ty Warren, who is better than any DE currently on the Broncos BY FAR. Jarvis Green, a backup for NE, yet he is averaging 7 sacks a season. Instantly would be the Broncos best DE.

The Broncos do not have a single DLineman on their roster who would excel in a 3-4 defense. The Pats have 4 who have proven that they can do it, and have done it now for years.

While I agree that Marcus Thomas is no Woolfork----
Who is to say we have the lineman to run a 4-3 effectively? Our defense is 30th LOL--pursuing the 3-4 IS a viable option for the Broncos --when you are almost starting from scratch, nothing is off of the table............

Beantown Bronco

09-30-2008, 11:33 AM

Who is to say we have the lineman to run a 4-3 effectively? Our defense is 30th LOL--pursuing the 3-4 IS a viable option for the Broncos --when you are almost starting from scratch, nothing is off of the table............

I do. Marcus Thomas and D. Robertson are perfect DTs for the 4-3. And DJ is a perfect WLB in the the 4-3. They literally don't have one player (or coach for that matter) who has experience in a 3-4 other than Robertson, and he hated it....and was less productive in it.

Part of that 30th ranking you mention is the fact that the safeties and CBs outside of Bailey and Bly suck major ass. That isn't going to change in a 3-4. Those same guys will be out on the field.

montrose

09-30-2008, 11:33 AM

Even if we had a good 3-4 coach, we don't have 3-4 personnel.

alkemical

09-30-2008, 12:00 PM

Well to be honest

We don't have the S's or the DL to play the 3/4. I think moss could translate to OLB, and DJ would be fine.

So really the only thing missing for the 3/4 is the same things we are missing for the 4-3 lol

Slade

09-30-2008, 12:23 PM

Crowder would be a servicable DE in the 3-4...Robertson can play NT, but ultimately we need a better one. Engleburger or Ekuban would play the other DE. And then Doom and Moss could rotate as the blitzing OLB. DJ is solid. Webster is ok at best and I do think Boss could also make a good blitzing OLB. Our Safeties are still a huge problem. I would think that there are some old vets who could give us some good years like Lynch did though, or Harrison has done for the Pats. We dont need to be young at every position.

I think our personel would fit a 3-4 better than a 4-3...with good coaching. We suck now, why not give it a try :-)

Well to be honest

We don't have the S's or the DL to play the 3/4. I think moss could translate to OLB, and DJ would be fine.

So really the only thing missing for the 3/4 is the same things we are missing for the 4-3 lol

ZONA

09-30-2008, 12:32 PM

The bottom line here people is there is not enough talent on the defense period. If you have a hole here or there you can sorta make adjustments to cover those areas. But when you have alot holes, there is no hiding it. We have a few decent DL but nobody great. We have a damn good LB in Williams and Boss can play well but he is hot and cold. The other guys might not start for anybody else in the league. Champ is great, Bly is above average and the rest of the secondary blows.

That is a crap load of holes - no new coach is gonna fix that.

Basically, we're idiots if we don't use every pick next year on the defense. I would even package some of the lower picks with our first round to move up and snag a big time prospect. We need at least one of those. We can't just draft a bunch of lower round DL and expect them to be anything more then a Engleberger.

Beantown Bronco

09-30-2008, 12:34 PM

I think our personel would fit a 3-4 better than a 4-3...with good coaching. We suck now, why not give it a try :-)

In your proposition, you'd be taking our best young Dlineman off the field completely.

Slade

09-30-2008, 12:36 PM

Thomas would rotate in with any of the DL guys.
In your proposition, you'd be taking our best young Dlineman off the field completely.

Beantown Bronco

09-30-2008, 12:42 PM

Thomas would rotate in with any of the DL guys.

This isn't Madden. You can't just throw a guy into any position in a 3-4.

Slade

09-30-2008, 12:59 PM

Why not? Will our defense be the worst in the league then? Wait...

This isn't Madden. You can't just throw a guy into any position in a 3-4.

cmhargrove

09-30-2008, 01:05 PM

Why does everyone think the 3-4 will solve our problems?

What about an intelligent, hard working 4-3 like Philly or Chicago?
It's talent, and coaching, not scheme. We are getting sidetracked looking for answers because we just suck on D right now.

I think it's talent, and coaching at this point.

We need a true MLB that knocks the **** out of people and a D-End that weighs over 280 and can still rush the passer. Help at Safety is obvious.

I think the 3-4 is just a gimmick joke for us to get LB's on the field, but I would rather put Woodyard at MLB, and rent a big D-End for a year. Make a trade if we really want to go to the playoffs. Otherwise' let's accept our deficiencies and look forward to next year's draft.

Beantown Bronco

09-30-2008, 01:06 PM

Why not? Will our defense be the worst in the league then? Wait...

So we should just throw Robertson out there at safety, because it supposedly can't get any worse? I hope you can see the problem with that logic.

sixtimeseight

09-30-2008, 01:07 PM

Just because our defense is worst in the league, doesn't mean it can't get even worse.

peacepipe

09-30-2008, 01:26 PM

Even if we had a good 3-4 coach, we don't have 3-4 personnel.Actually we do,Dumervil & Moss are both tweeners who can move to OLB w/DJ & Boss in the middle. D. Robertson/Thomas at NT w/ crowder & endenburger(sp) on the ends.

Beantown Bronco

09-30-2008, 01:29 PM

Actually we do,Dumervil & Moss are both tweeners who can move to OLB w/DJ & Boss in the middle. D. Robertson/Thomas at NT w/ crowder & endenburger(sp) on the ends.

epic fail

Not nearly enough size up front to occupy the needed blockers. They'd get gashed even worse than the current unit.

oubronco

09-30-2008, 02:42 PM

Just because our defense is worst in the league, doesn't mean it can't get even worse.

UGH you are right its sad but right

PRBronco

09-30-2008, 02:53 PM

Actually we do,Dumervil & Moss are both tweeners who can move to OLB w/DJ & Boss in the middle. D. Robertson/Thomas at NT w/ crowder & endenburger(sp) on the ends.

Beantown's right, the only one who might, miiiiiiight survive playing in a 3-4 is thomas, and that'd still be a waste of him. With 20 something sacks coming out of college, Dumervil was thoroughly looked over by every 3-4 team, if there was even a chance he was suited for that scheme, someone would have scooped him up sooner.

barryr

09-30-2008, 02:58 PM

The Broncos do not have the necessary personnel to run a 3-4 defense effectively(of course one could argue they don't for a 4-3 either). To run an effective 3-4, you need big DL, especially at NT, and OLB's that are natural pass rushers who essentially act as DE's. The Broncos do not have such players at this time.