Denver will lose the next 2 as well

[Goatazz]

Tampa and JAX both have physical defenses and strong running games. To beat Denver all a team has to do is stop the offense a few times in the first and second quarter, get a lead (because the defense can't stop anybody!), and run the ball. Denver defense is actually getting worse as the season plays out. Its getting really hard to watch them when the Broncos are on defense. Denver should be sitting at 1-3 now. Its unbelievable how one side of the ball, in a pro product, can be such bums! Denver is the 2003 KC chiefs but our defense is much worse they can't stop anybody!

[barryr]

I agree. It's hard to be optimistic with this sorry defense and it starts with the coaching they either are getting or aren't. Whichever, but seems the only way this defense stops anybody is when the other team stops themself with mistakes that aren't really even caused by the defense.

[oubronco]

thats the spirit thwack

[OABB]

actually, I like the defensive coaching. flame away....

I was not a fan of the slowick hire, but he at least is trying something interesting. We all clamoured for the 3-4, for more blitzing and for drafting dlinemen.

what we forgot to ask for was good talent. I think it is fair to say that robertson is very important to this team. he is a great dlinemen, and it really showed when he wasn't out there.

we have no talent. plain and simple. bly and bailey are good, dj williams is good, boss plyed well, but our dline is just horrible. we need better play from the players.

I can tell you with confidence, that if our front four was middle of the pack, we would have a decent d. I like the schemes so far. sorry. I know it's hard to defend this d, but when you dline doesn't make plays, the rest of the d suffers.

it comes down to players. coaching can only do so much.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

We love the high hopes and insight from two posters that have a combined total of 5 posts on the Mane.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Denver should be sitting at 1-3 now.

But they aren't. What's your counter to that?

[footstepsfrom#27]

100 post rule.

[rbackfactory80]

LOl this defense has sucked for years. Glad you could join us..

[Garcia Bronco]

All positive

[socalorado]

Hey, can we please get a "Terms And Conditions" to being a orangemane poster please?

No whining, pissing or moaning or cheesy negative observations until you've made 100 posts, ok? You could have just made this a post in one of the countless "DEN defense sucks" threads already out there.
em kay.....

[broncofan2438]

Well that makes me fell good

[Goatazz]

But they aren't. What's your counter to that?

First, I have been posting and reading here for years. Been banned a few times other simply forgot my password or username or both.

Second, my counter to your ridiculous argument is that if they should be, which you seem to not deny, it will show as the season plays out. My argument to your pooh is that at the end of the day Denver is going nowhere, period! - unless they trade for somebodies (plural) who can replace those lazy dinks on the d-line. As we found out yesterday, Denver can't count on lucky bounces, bad calls, and the offense scoring 40+ points for 16 games.

[Los Broncos]

Welcome to the party, we might give up 250+ v Jacksonville.

[HorseHead]

wahhh...wahhhh...wahhhh...

Maybe I am way too much of an optimist, but I say we will man up and actually come out and smoke the 'Bucs..

Come on everybody, chill out....it's going to be that kind of season..some ups and some downs, what are we, the 3rd youngest team in the NFL?

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Second, my counter to your ridiculous argument is that if they should be, which you seem to not deny, it will show as the season plays out. My argument to your pooh is that at the end of the day Denver is going nowhere, period! - unless they trade for somebodies (plural) who can replace those lazy dinks on the d-line. As we found out yesterday, Denver can't count on lucky bounces, bad calls, and the offense scoring 40+ points for 16 games.

That's fine. You can retort with "shoulds" and I'll use fact. 3-1.

Do I feel good about it? Eh, not with all the warts. But the fact remains that the scoreboard showed a Denver victory in 3 out of the 1st 4 games.

[Goatazz]

You could have just made this a post in one of the countless "DEN defense sucks" threads already out there.
em kay.....

And your point is what? I am sorry, Baghdad Bob, for wrecking your La-Dee-Fricking-dah land here.

[oubronco]

wooooooooooohoooooooooooo

[Goatazz]

That's fine. You can retort with "shoulds" and I'll use fact. 3-1.

Do I feel good about it? Eh, not with all the warts. But the fact remains that the scoreboard showed a Denver victory in 3 out of the 1st 4 games.

You're right about that. It is what it is for now

[Spider]

Oh brother we gots us a live one here ...........

[oubronco]

Oh brother we gots us a live one here ...........

Casino is that you ?

[Spider]

Casino is that you ?

better be a punch line to this

[oubronco]

better be a punch line to this

not you the other guy sheesh

[Spider]

not you the other guy sheesh

nevermind ;D

[dbfan4life]

A loss brings out the best, doesn't it?

[socalorado]

Oh brother we gots us a live one here ...........

Oh Hes all ready to piss, bitch and moan all morning!
This should make for a solid mon morning.

[Tombstone RJ]

Tampa and JAX both have physical defenses and strong running games. To beat Denver all a team has to do is stop the offense a few times in the first and second quarter, get a lead (because the defense can't stop anybody!), and run the ball. Denver defense is actually getting worse as the season plays out. Its getting really hard to watch them when the Broncos are on defense. Denver should be sitting at 1-3 now. Its unbelievable how one side of the ball, in a pro product, can be such bums! Denver is the 2003 KC chiefs but our defense is much worse they can't stop anybody!

You gotta point? Or, are you just snivling to here yourself snivel?

[eddie mac]

Get to **** outta here.

We'll hammer both the Bucs and Jags. Arrowhead normally brings out the worst in the Denver offense and it was no different yesterday. Back to business in both these games with 30 plus points and W's in both.

[OOJack]

Get to **** outta here.

We'll hammer both the Bucs and Jags. Arrowhead normally brings out the worst in the Denver offense and it was no different yesterday. Back to business in both these games with 30 plus points and W's in both.

Agreed, I had a bad feeling about the Chiefs since last Monday. They kick our face in Arrowhood. It's all good, we are going to crush LJ when he comes to Denver, count on it!

[Cito Pelon]

I guess it's possible Denver loses one or even both of the next two at home. It's not a particularly good TEAM right now. ST's and D are nothing special. The O has been inconsistent. The team has been outscored 68-51 in the 2nd half and 48-28 in the 4th Q. In the past 3 games, outscored 54-27 in the 2nd half and 34-14 in the 4th Q. Not real confidence-inspiring. At least Gonzalez didn't break a record against Denver.

[Breaker]

I actually believe we will be 6-1 at the bye week.

Bucs don't scare me. Jags do a little but I think we can take them and we always seem to handle the Pats. Call me crazy, call me stupid or call me an orange blooded fan, but that is what will happen.

[TailgateNut]

First, I have been posting and reading here for years. Been banned a few times other simply forgot my password or username or both.

.


That says it all! Not too swift in the brain dept.?EH?

[DomCasual]

First, I have been posting and reading here for years. Been banned a few times other simply forgot my password or username or both.

Second, my counter to your ridiculous argument is that if they should be, which you seem to not deny, it will show as the season plays out. My argument to your pooh is that at the end of the day Denver is going nowhere, period! - unless they trade for somebodies (plural) who can replace those lazy dinks on the d-line. As we found out yesterday, Denver can't count on lucky bounces, bad calls, and the offense scoring 40+ points for 16 games.

Oh, well that makes it much better, then. ::)

[Rohirrim]

This dude has the same tonal quality as Gonzo Lays. ;D

[bfoflcommish]

better be a punch line to this


hahaha spider said punch

[Mountain Bronco]

Like it or not, there is some merit to losing against the Jags. They run the ball well (better than KC) so we can expect about 250 yards on the ground, which results in Cutler getting the ball less. Plus the Jags D is at least as good as KC's so they will make a couple of stops.

If we lose to Griese I will be pissed though. They don't have the D or running game to hang with us, but I have seen worse (KC immediatly comes to mind).

[Dagmar]

6 post rule.

[BroncoMan4ever]

jesus christ! it was one goddamn game. how is everyone going to come out and proclaim we are terrible. the defense does suck, but it shows flashes of potential. We were without our best run stuffer yesterday. Larry Johnson would not have run all over us had Robertson been there. The passing game didn't kill us yesterday. We actually didn't look too bad.

Hell after being on the field all game, because our offense couldn't sustain a drive and gave the Chiefs the ball back with great field position our defense got gashed for almost everything the Chiefs got.

Jay had a bad game yesterday. Selvin Young is not the answer at RB, Scheff wasn't utilized, and we were trying to get Graham too involved in the passing game.

Denver every season has at least 1 game like this where a weak team takes it to us. Why is this season so much different and worrisome to you guys?

So at least wait until more than half the season is over before we all meltdown and freak out over a loss, and proclaim that we are not going to win another game this season.

[Kaylore]

We'll at least split these next two. They're at home and their receivers are not that great....oh who am I kidding? We made Damon Huard look like a starting caliber QB. All we had to do was play bump coverage on those stupid quick throws and we'd probably have intercepted him ten times. Instead we're playing seven yards off on third and three. :notthissh

[The MVPlaya]

I love negative people...

That's how I recognize the low life's at the bottom of the food chain.

[Orange_Beard]

Ahhhh, **** you.

[cutthemdown]

actually, I like the defensive coaching. flame away....

I was not a fan of the slowick hire, but he at least is trying something interesting. We all clamoured for the 3-4, for more blitzing and for drafting dlinemen.

what we forgot to ask for was good talent. I think it is fair to say that robertson is very important to this team. he is a great dlinemen, and it really showed when he wasn't out there.

we have no talent. plain and simple. bly and bailey are good, dj williams is good, boss plyed well, but our dline is just horrible. we need better play from the players.

I can tell you with confidence, that if our front four was middle of the pack, we would have a decent d. I like the schemes so far. sorry. I know it's hard to defend this d, but when you dline doesn't make plays, the rest of the d suffers.

it comes down to players. coaching can only do so much.

Trying a 3-4 when you don't have a 3-4 nose tackle is foolish and a joke. Roberston left NY because he thought he didnt fit that role.

[Broncomutt]

1 interception in 4 games?! And that was on a blown call in the SD game. Another gift from Hochuli and crew.

I wonder if there are any other teams in the league who have yet to record a legitimate INT through 4 weeks?

[Kaylore]

1 interception in 4 games?! And that was on a blown call in the SD game. Another gift from Hochuli and crew.

::) Yeah. Ok. If Denver tried to Challenge a play during that half we'd have been the ones getting screwed.

[DomCasual]

Trying a 3-4 when you don't have a 3-4 nose tackle is foolish and a joke. Roberston left NY because he thought he didnt fit that role.

Yeah, how cursed do you suppose he's feeling now? He gets traded to a team that's played 4-3 for the last thirty years. As soon as he gets there, they switch to a lot of 3-4.

[Cito Pelon]

jesus christ! it was one goddamn game. how is everyone going to come out and proclaim we are terrible. the defense does suck, but it shows flashes of potential. We were without our best run stuffer yesterday. Larry Johnson would not have run all over us had Robertson been there. The passing game didn't kill us yesterday. We actually didn't look too bad.

Hell after being on the field all game, because our offense couldn't sustain a drive and gave the Chiefs the ball back with great field position our defense got gashed for almost everything the Chiefs got.

Jay had a bad game yesterday. Selvin Young is not the answer at RB, Scheff wasn't utilized, and we were trying to get Graham too involved in the passing game.

Denver every season has at least 1 game like this where a weak team takes it to us. Why is this season so much different and worrisome to you guys?

So at least wait until more than half the season is over before we all meltdown and freak out over a loss, and proclaim that we are not going to win another game this season.

Huard was 21-28, 1 TD, 0 INT's, 1 sack in garbage time at the end of the half.

This season isn't so much different than the last couple, that's what worries guys.

How about if you stop melting down over some pretty mild criticism? You're screaming like a little girl over some pretty mild criticism. You're not the only one. You'd think someone had pissed in some of you guys coffee the way people are having conniptions over some mild criticism. Talk about whining, jesus. Grow up and be adults, jesus. Someone criticizes your boyfriends, and you cry like little girls. I swear, some of you girls are ready to burst into tears over a little criticism of your boyfriends.

J/K, relax. :rofl:

[oubronco]

jesus christ! it was one goddamn game. how is everyone going to come out and proclaim we are terrible. the defense does suck, but it shows flashes of potential. We were without our best run stuffer yesterday. Larry Johnson would not have run all over us had Robertson been there. The passing game didn't kill us yesterday. We actually didn't look too bad.

Hell after being on the field all game, because our offense couldn't sustain a drive and gave the Chiefs the ball back with great field position our defense got gashed for almost everything the Chiefs got.

Jay had a bad game yesterday. Selvin Young is not the answer at RB, Scheff wasn't utilized, and we were trying to get Graham too involved in the passing game.

Denver every season has at least 1 game like this where a weak team takes it to us. Why is this season so much different and worrisome to you guys?

So at least wait until more than half the season is over before we all meltdown and freak out over a loss, and proclaim that we are not going to win another game this season.

I think we have seen enough of the defense to know there not that good

[summerdenver]

We'll at least split these next two. They're at home and their receivers are not that great....oh who am I kidding? We made Damon Huard look like a starting caliber QB. All we had to do was play bump coverage on those stupid quick throws and we'd probably have intercepted him ten times. Instead we're playing seven yards off on third and three. :notthissh

Most stupid play by Den defense was on 2nd and long(11?) in first half. Bly was initially giving a cushion of around 7 yards to Bowe. To my consternation just before the ball was about to be snapped he started backing off even further and ended up 10 yards from Bowe when Huard has ball. Huard did not even try to look at the other side. He just saw Bly was 10 yards off and threw quickly to Bowe. Bly tried to stop Bowe and first met him about 4 yards before first down marker and promptly missed the tackle. Bowe was finally tackled after he went past the 1st down line.

How hard is it to execute this play? Going by what we have seen in the past 4games DBs will continue to give cushion with pedictable results. Other than Tony G's TD, KC's offense consisted for the most part hand off to LJ and dump off to Bowe. Everyone and their grandma knew this will be the gameplan of KC and if you can't stop that who are you going to stop?

I hate to sound pessimistic but I only see Den winning games where the score is close and Den has the ball in the end.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

I wonder if there are any other teams in the league who have yet to record a legitimate INT through 4 weeks?

The Cowboys.

[Broncomutt]

The Cowboys.

The Cowboys, no ****??!!

Thanks RVJ. That actually makes me feel better to know that.

I just can't remember a Bronco team going this far into the seaon without a single pick.

[cutthemdown]

Yeah, how cursed do you suppose he's feeling now? He gets traded to a team that's played 4-3 for the last thirty years. As soon as he gets there, they switch to a lot of 3-4.

It really makes no sense. Not to mention we have poor linebacker and now your playing an extra one. The safety's are horrid. What's in worst shape the economy or our defense? We need a bailout!!!!

[dsmoot]

Hey, can we please get a "Terms And Conditions" to being a orangemane poster please?

No whining, pissing or moaning or cheesy negative observations until you've made 100 posts, ok? You could have just made this a post in one of the countless "DEN defense sucks" threads already out there.
em kay.....

The 100 post reference is a joke. Don't you have anything of substance to say. 100, 1000 or 10000 posts is no guarantee that any particular poster has any value.

This game was so typical of the Broncos over the years including those with Elway. Flat, flat, flat. One mistake after another ... penalty at the wrong time, fumble, interception, special teams breakdown, missed chip shot field goal. Couldn't you feel it late first quarter.

[Hamrob]

The defense is bad...but not as bad as we think. The offense gave the Cheifs the ball 4x...that's 4 turnovers folks. If you take a look at the drive charts...you'll see that the Cheifs only had two drives that were 70+ yds. All of the rest of their scoring was because they started in our territory.

Contrast that with our offensinve drive charts and you'll see the story of this game.

The offense lost this game...not our defense.

LinK:
http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/drivechart?gameId=280928012

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I'm trying to come up with a reason why Graham and Taylor/Drew won't run all over you...and I can't. Both of those teams have vastly superior offensive lines...and quarterbacks...

[Crushisback]

Oh brother we gots us a live one here ...........


Bring out the Gimp.

[no-pseudo-fan]

Tampa and JAX both have physical defenses and strong running games. To beat Denver all a team has to do is stop the offense a few times in the first and second quarter, get a lead (because the defense can't stop anybody!), and run the ball. Denver defense is actually getting worse as the season plays out. Its getting really hard to watch them when the Broncos are on defense. Denver should be sitting at 1-3 now. Its unbelievable how one side of the ball, in a pro product, can be such bums! Denver is the 2003 KC chiefs but our defense is much worse they can't stop anybody!

This is stupid, and I feel stupid responding but here I go.

Denver will go into the Bye at no less than 5-2. We will get Tampa and/or Jax. We are at home, which will get us at least one of them. Tampa and Jax are both good Defensive teams, but when Jay is on, he can not be stopped. I see a few more passes to Scheffler this week. Now Jay was off on Sunday, don't count on that every week. We are an extremely young offense, and will sometimes play down to the competition. I hope the team sees how the media turns on you when you play poorly. It makes me mad, to hear this junk. One week, we are great, next week, we will not when another game. We weren't that good, and we are not that bad. I hope that Tampa thinks they will kick our butts this weekend. We will see!

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

I'm trying to come up with a reason why Graham and Taylor/Drew won't run all over you...and I can't. Both of those teams have vastly superior offensive lines...and quarterbacks...

Brian Griese and David Garrard are 'vastly superior' to Jay Cutler?

What's it like in your world? Is the sun shining?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Superior to the Chiefs...not the Broncos...

[Broncos24]

[QUOTE=Goatazz;2106730]First, I have been posting and reading here for years. Been banned a few times other simply forgot my password or username or both.

Don't worry, there are some people here they think that they have more than a thousand posts and they know everything. I've been here for a while and I like this site because there are some knowledgeable people but there are also J@**@sses.

[NFLBRONCO]

Can you imagine this place if Denver did drop these next two games.

[Bronx33]

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/2050/snapshot20080302222640awu0.jpg

[Ironlung]

Well for my sake I hope we don't lose to Tampa. It will be my first game I've been to in Denver, I've seen them play at Camarohead many times but never a home game.

I've been pumped all season to go, I got great seats (25 yrd line, 4 rows up) but after watching the game at KC I'm not so pumped anymore. The bucs run the same D as the chiefs only about 10 times better. I'm going with my best friend who is a buc fan so the ride home will be bad for someone and I have a feeling it will be me.

So basically I'm going to drive six hours, get a hotel room, and spend lord knows how much money to come see Denver lose. Can't wait!

[cutthemdown]

Can you imagine this place if Denver did drop these next two games.

I think we pretty much know how to take it. I mean the team has been pretty much crap since Elway left. It keeps up much longer and we won't remember what it's like to be good anymore.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

The bucs run the same D as the chiefs only about 10 times better. I

Actually, calling our defense a Cover 2 or Tampa 2 offshoot is really a misnomer. We played a lot of Cover 2/Tampa 2 when Herm arrived because our corners were so old and slow. Now that we actually have guys who can cover man to man, we've been doing a lot more of that.

However, your original point is valid. The Broncos face a team with an actual pass rush this week, so it should be interesting.

[tsiguy96]

broncos have 8 passes defended. chargers have 33.

[vancejohnson82]

http://blogalice.com/files/idiot.jpg

[colonelbeef]

Posts like these are what makes me believe that a defensive turnaround is in order. Whenever something becomes the accepted rule, everything changes, especially in football.

The D will come around to respectability. Don't forget how many new players are on the field, it takes time to gel all of those new faces. By the 8th game or so I fully expect the defense to be much improved. Not a force, but respectable.

[Steve Prefontaine]

Great thread a-hole.

[Bronx33]

ahhh i forgot about this thread.

[Malcontent]

Lets forget it...again!

[theAPAOps5]

All I have to say is LOSER

[Bronx33]

Lets forget it...again!

Forget what?

[Ratboy]

This thread brings the win!