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bpc
09-28-2008, 09:57 PM
Christ, I usually make it out to one road game per year and i've been trying to hit every stadium in the NFL. THIS was the year that I was planning on marching through Arrowhead and watching Denver beat down the chiefs. I should have known better. The last two times I attempted this over the previous three seasons, Denver was the one taking the whoopin.

3 years ago I flew out to St. Louis for the NFL opening weekend which turned out to be Jake Plummer's final season. He looked like crap and we looked flat, underperformed and really just got our ass kicked. It sucked.

Fast forward to last year... I was thinking that Denver playing at Oakland would be an easy target considering they were almost already on the clock. Instead our OL crapped their pants and Jay was getting pummelled by his third step dropping back from center. Another underwhelming, heart lacking performance.

Now to this year, I end up having a college friend's wedding on Saturday in St. Louis and it just happened to be the same weekend Denver was playing at KC... after last season's beat down led by Cutler and watching the Raiders come in with no passing game what so ever and shred up the chiefs, I was figuring this would be a landslide victory. Once again my confidence and loyalty ended up costed me $150 in tickets, 7 hours of commute time and sitting out in the sun and watching our team suck ass and trail the Chiefs most of the day acting disinterested.

Can a fan really be bad luck? Have an affect on the outcome of the game?? I assume not but every time I show, this team falls flat on its ass.

(BTW, my first Bronco game I ever attended was the Colts/Broncos playoff game in 04'. I don't remember the score, the only thing I really recall is Marvin Harrison catching a pass, not getting tagged down, getting up and running for a TD... you all remember.)

So i'll end my post with a few rants/thoughts that I had about the game.

- It was hot as hell. The Broncos looked like they wanted no part of being out on that field and I could sense it from the beginning.

- I know Jay can throw the ball but we are getting into a dangerous rhythem. We have to find ways to establish the run game. The play action pass has always helped keep defense honest against Jay's arm. He looked semi-exposed as a poor reader of defenses. He kept throwing right into double coverage time and again while players are running around wide open in other areas. We had so much success throwing on the sidelines against Oakland and SD and it seems like against NO and KC we have regressed. We've been leaving a lot of passes hanging in the air in the middle of the field. That's the easiest place to kill drives especially if the QB is locked on to one player. Back to establishing the run... I hope Torrain can come in and suck up the full time role vs. 4 different backs coming in all the time. If not, HB becomes a very big issue in the future.

- Props to the chiefs. Yes, they will suck this year. No, they probably won't beat us in Mile High. They are however setting up a stacked interior defense that gave our offensive line fits. We couldn't move Tank, Dorsey or anybody else off the line. That is what teams have to do. You build from the trenches on back. This is a most concerning situation because I think a lot of fans would have said we need a DT most of all this year. After watching some of the projected high round players throughout the college season so far, I don't see any help coming in the form of the draft at least this year. Just my oppinion. Unless we fix the problem up front with the DT's, we're going to continue to get our brains bashed in my the run.

*That being said I do like Thomas and Peterson. We need more though. Roberson is already on the injured list. Imagine that. *

- I love Royal and BMarsh. I don't see Stokely as a great WR or even good WR anymore. He's really losing his speed and quicks and I doubt he has more than one more truly productive season left in him. Daryl Jackson's calf injury is alarming. We are light at WR which is forcing Cutler to lock on to WR's.

- I don't know what it is about Tony Scheffler but he seems to be one of the most mentally weak players on this roster. He has a great pair of hands but I don't think he really breaks himself off to help as a blocker or works to try and truly be great. Where the hell was he in the second half? He had a few drops and looks like he didn't play again. He was sitting the bench in preseason behind Jackson and Graham. I'm wondering if he's entering Shanahan's dog house.

- OL was solid again today but i'm starting to see some inexperience come out from Ryan Harris. He's had plenty of minus's over the past two weeks. I think he allowed some big heat on Jay's 1st interception or somewhere around that play and he's the one that gave up the safety last week on the inside run play. Toughen up son.

- It actually sickens me every time I think about how we overpaid for Jarvis Moss. I hope he comes around, I don't see it happening though. And if it does, WHO CARES. He's a one dimentional player. A Trent Cole but not as good. I think our draft two seasons ago has been very iffy especially in the 1st two rounds. Overpaying for role players. We don't need anymore spare parts, we need playmakers.

- Speaking of playmakers, I love watching Woodyard and Larsen on special teams duty. Those two play balls to the wall. I wish we could get them on the field sooner. Shanny, ditch Larsen playing FB. He'll be more than good enough at LB. He'll probably step in and immediately become one of our best blitzers.

- I hate our defense. I think the base concept is utterly stupid. I hate zone defenses in the general. I would rather man it up and play bump and run coverage. More than anything else, I hate seeing Champ Bailey covering the opposing team's #2 WR all day. Being positioned to one side is limiting and stupid. How many 1st down grabs did Bowe have? Isn't Bowe the biggest playmaker in the chiefs WR core? Why have a shut down corner if you run a cheap zone scheme and make it so easy for an offense to take him out of the play?

- We have so far to go talent wise. These areas need improvement the worst though:

1. DT - We are severely lacking here. Unfortunately the draft probably won't bring any immediate help.
2. WR - Stokely/DJack don't have much left. BMarsh is one incident away from being suspended half the season or longer. We need to keep filling the cabinet with talent a la what Green Bay has done with their WR position.
3. S - Horrible unit for us. I can't stand watching them play.
4. HB - We need Torain to take this position off the list for us.
5. TE - I have a feeling that Scheffler is not getting it done all the way around. Too soft. Just a gut feeling.

Bottom line... if you thought the game sucked today, at least you had commercials, AC, and the ability to flip it to another channel. It's hard to watch three units which showed so little heart.

Malcontent
09-28-2008, 10:00 PM
Nice post bro...long....but well said. Doesn't make us feel better though..

You need to get to more games...and start with the TB game will ya!

SoCalBronco
09-28-2008, 10:01 PM
Thanks for the report, bpc.

bpc
09-28-2008, 10:04 PM
Nice post bro...long....but well said. Doesn't make us feel better though..

You need to get to more games...and start with the TB game will ya!

I'll go to more games if you want the 1st pick in the draft.

You know what was long? The 3 hours over and back to KC from St. Louis.

Malcontent
09-28-2008, 10:07 PM
I'll go to more games if you want the 1st pick in the draft.

You know what was long? The 3 hours over and back to KC from St. Louis.

Been there and done that...Just put in Dark Side of the Moon a few times and you're halfway there...

BABronco
09-28-2008, 10:09 PM
I am the reason we lost. My first pro game. I am 0-1 tisk tisk.

epicSocialism4tw
09-28-2008, 10:09 PM
Nice review.

Larsen had a "Terrell Davis hit" on special teams and almost put us in position to tie the game with a wild grab at the onside kick. Had the KC player not blocked him in the back, he wouldnt have dropped it.

Popps
09-28-2008, 10:51 PM
- I hate our defense. I think the base concept is utterly stupid. I hate zone defenses in the general. I would rather man it up and play bump and run coverage. More than anything else, I hate seeing Champ Bailey covering the opposing team's #2 WR all day. Being positioned to one side is limiting and stupid. How many 1st down grabs did Bowe have? Isn't Bowe the biggest playmaker in the chiefs WR core? Why have a shut down corner if you run a cheap zone scheme and make it so easy for an offense to take him out of the play?

- We have so far to go talent wise. .

Agree with your breakdown of the D, Chris... but you've got to include DEs in that analysis. Dumervil is invisible, I don't even know if Ekuban played and Engleberger is just horrible. It's absolutely shameful that we line that guy up in any passing situation. It's basically just throwing our hands up and admitting defeat.

Everyone bitched and moaned about not paying Abraham. Meanwhile, he's terrorizing teams. Even if he's injured half the season, it's more production than the rest of our DEs combined.

Everyone bitched about paying Kerney, so we lost out on him.

Everyone bitched about the idea of giving up a draft pick for Taylor. Now he's chasing QBs around in Washington. (Given, he missed today because of a freak injury.)

Not to mention years of excuses about why for some reason we have NO problem moving up when Shanahan wants Cutler, but it's (allegedly) impossible for us to move up a few spots for a guy like Tommie Harris or Urlacher.

We spent our first 1st rounder in about a decade on the DL, and it was a very questionable, project-type, undersized guy.

We've got NO ONE that defenses have to account for in our front 4. NO ONE.

epicSocialism4tw
09-28-2008, 10:58 PM
Agree with your breakdown of the D, Chris... but you've got to include DEs in that analysis. Dumervil is invisible, I don't even know if Ekuban played and Engleberger is just horrible. It's absolutely shameful that we line that guy up in any passing situation. It's basically just throwing our hands up and admitting defeat.

Everyone b****ed and moaned about not paying Abraham. Meanwhile, he's terrorizing teams. Even if he's injured half the season, it's more production than the rest of our DEs combined.

Everyone b****ed about paying Kerney, so we lost out on him.

Everyone b****ed about the idea of giving up a draft pick for Taylor. Now he's chasing QBs around in Washington. (Given, he missed today because of a freak injury.)

Not to mention years of excuses about why for some reason we have NO problem moving up when Shanahan wants Cutler, but it's (allegedly) impossible for us to move up a few spots for a guy like Tommie Harris or Urlacher.

We spent our first 1st rounder in about a decade on the DL, and it was a very questionable, project-type, undersized guy.

We've got NO ONE that defenses have to account for in our front 4. NO ONE.

The Tommie Harris thing still kills me today. We could have moved up fairly easily to get him.

Malcontent
09-28-2008, 11:02 PM
Tommie Harris is great, and would be killer, but he is absent due to injury more than he is a help...They blew millions on him in Chi and he has been just OK...Our time is due to spend some draft picks and well designed FA's on D. And it will happen.

Popps
09-28-2008, 11:03 PM
The Tommie Harris thing still kills me today. We could have moved up fairly easily to get him.

Been saying it for years, man... and all I ever get is cry-a-river bull**** about how "impossible" it is to move up a few spots. Meanwhile, Shanahan darted up the board with ease to nab Cutler.

Hey, I'm thrilled he did! But, don't tell me we can't move up to get guys. Shanahan just hasn't put a premium on the DL. The results speak volumes.

Popps
09-28-2008, 11:06 PM
Tommie Harris is great, and would be killer, but he is absent due to injury more than he is a help...They blew millions on him in Chi and he has been just OK...Our time is due to spend some draft picks and well designed FA's on D. And it will happen.

Or Stroud... or Haynesworth.. or Freeney.... etc. The list goes on and on.

But, don't worry... Shanahan took Willie Middlebrooks and Ashlie Lelie in those two drafts instead of moving up to get serious about the teams gaping hole at DL.

It's not about Harris, man... it's just about a conceptual problem this team has. It's a philosophy problem.

epicSocialism4tw
09-28-2008, 11:11 PM
Been saying it for years, man... and all I ever get is cry-a-river bull**** about how "impossible" it is to move up a few spots. Meanwhile, Shanahan darted up the board with ease to nab Cutler.

Hey, I'm thrilled he did! But, don't tell me we can't move up to get guys. Shanahan just hasn't put a premium on the DL. The results speak volumes.

His philosophy regarding the DL has been to throw money at reclaimation projects to hold down the position from year to year. Same goes for end.

To his credit, he has placed monetary emphasis on LB. However, those results have netted us a couple of decent outside backers and a gaping hole in the middle.

Right now, there's a hole from DT to MLB to FS/SS thats wide open to walk on through.

ANIMAL24
09-28-2008, 11:32 PM
i hate to say it but i miss d-jax

Meck77
09-29-2008, 12:23 AM
I'll go to more games if you want the 1st pick in the draft.

You know what was long? The 3 hours over and back to KC from St. Louis.

No offense but try driving a bus across country then witnessing Eli Manning punk us at the end of the game.

30+ hours just one way. Funnest road trip followed by the worst drive home ever. My advice. Pick some home games. Better chance of a win and if we lose at least you are in Denver and not some **** hole like KC.

footstepsfrom#27
09-29-2008, 12:26 AM
Speaking of playmakers, I love watching Woodyard and Larsen on special teams duty. Those two play balls to the wall. I wish we could get them on the field sooner. Shanny, ditch Larsen playing FB. He'll be more than good enough at LB. He'll probably step in and immediately become one of our best blitzers.
Nah...haven't you heard? Woodyard's gonne get cut this year and never play another down in the NFL. Now Larsen...he got drafted so he's gonne be here. ;D

Seriously though...I don't get why Larsen is playing FB either. He's nothing but emergency depth there so why not get him into the defensive rotation? Oh yeah I forgot...we're clueless on defense that's why.

Arkansas Bronco
09-29-2008, 02:05 AM
So its your F*#$in fault we cant pass rush. Ill keep that in mind for the rest of the year.

Peoples Champ
09-29-2008, 06:52 AM
Dont worry, I was feeling the same way. I also went to that game in St. louis where Plummer had like 5 turnovers. I feel I am bad Luck. Listen to my last five Bronco games since I have left Denver in 2004.

Away

St. Louis two years ago- Lost to the rams

Indianapolis last year- Lost to the Colts

Kansas City yesterday- Lost to the Cheifs


Home at Mile High

San Fransisco two years ago on New Years Eve. We lost in OT and to Frank Gore

Green Bay Last year on Monday night. We lost in OT with Farves perfect bomb pass.


I am 0-5 since I moved away from Denver. I think my last win at a game was in 2003- a meaningless game against Seatle.

TheReverend
09-29-2008, 06:54 AM
It's really my fault.

I watched it sober.

oubronco
09-29-2008, 06:58 AM
Been saying it for years, man... and all I ever get is cry-a-river bull**** about how "impossible" it is to move up a few spots. Meanwhile, Shanahan darted up the board with ease to nab Cutler.

Hey, I'm thrilled he did! But, don't tell me we can't move up to get guys. Shanahan just hasn't put a premium on the DL. The results speak volumes.

And our famous Jarvis Moss as well

Broncos_OTM
09-29-2008, 07:01 AM
i WON TICKETS OF zkbpi MY SECOND BRONCO GAME .. TERRELL DAVIS GOT HURT AGAINST THE JETS. WAS NEVER THE SAME AFTER WORD

Beantown Bronco
09-29-2008, 07:36 AM
I don't see Stokely as a great WR or even good WR anymore. He's really losing his speed and quicks and I doubt he has more than one more truly productive season left in him.

This is the only part I really disagree strongly with. The guy seems to be wide open every time Cutler looks his way (and on occasion when Cutler doesn't). He catches everything thrown his way and quietly gets the job done.

They're lucky to have him. I can't think of too many better #3 WRs out there.

cbs1177
09-29-2008, 08:27 AM
I picked denver on Nfl survivor board in the kitchen and I said I would never do so b/c Denver is my team. lack of sleep made me write down denver.

Los Broncos
09-29-2008, 08:45 AM
Yeha its your fault, get a rope. :)