It's McCains fault

[watermock]

not really, but look at this:



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[watermock]

How per say? This isnt the Reagan years.

Paulson has allready conceded acorn and Reid and Dodd are criminals.

[watermock]

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[watermock]

Repugs dont hold the senate! I dont think they hold the houise, at least till 04. Paulson and McCain introduced bills but they didnt get to the floor!

JHC! There was a big article in usa about paulson getting on one knee to polossi and her making a derogatory joke.

Bush tried april 2001. are you just ignorant. Watch the 1st one again.

[watermock]

Dodd is the Majority chairman of the senate finance commitee.

[watermock]

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/09/democratic_senate_majority_lea.html

Senate majority leader is harry reid
Pelosi is the house leader.http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN2648552220080926

What planet u on?

[watermock]

I posted the links a-hole. The leaders are polosi and reid. MAJORITY leaders. your a moron that wont accept facts.

[peacepipe]

I posted the links a-hole. The leaders are polosi and reid. MAJORITY leaders. your a moron that wont accept facts.

The point remains reps controled house & senate for 12 of the last 14 years & the white house the last 8.

[watermock]

2001 thru 2006. You obviously didnt even listen to it.

I cant find a link... can you post one?

[watermock]

I stand corrected. They said they didnt have the votes.

[watermock]

Go look back at the first piece then. democrats(frank) blocked one proposal. 05 greenspan spoke out. McCail sponsored a bill in 06.

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[Rohirrim]

Sorry. I just can't believe anything coming from the propaganda wing of the Republican Party.

[watermock]

The ony one that got more grease than Obama was Dodd.

[watermock]

Rules went in effect in 99. Noone complained while good times rolled , till the bubble started leaking. Banks were SUED for not relaxing standards enough. no, i dont have a link.

[Dudeskey]

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/09/democratic_senate_majority_lea.html

Senate majority leader is harry reid
Pelosi is the house leader.http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN2648552220080926

What planet u on?

dude, from '02- '06, the Republicans did hold the majority in the senate (maybe sooner than that after Jim Jeffords went independent, not entirely sure). The House from '94 to 2006...™

[watermock]

irrelevant. Several warnings were made, failure all around.

McCaain introduced a bill. Look, we all know why these rules were loosened in 99.

[baja]

irrelevant. Several warnings were made, failure all around.

McCaain introduced a bill.<b> Look, we all know why these rules were loosened in 99.</b>

So you could borrow money to not plant corn???

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Sorry folks, but when you own the house, senate and pres, you don't get to point at the other party and say "They Blocked it". If they truly believed this was a problem then they should of gotten the votes necessary.

QFT. :thumbsup:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

McCain's Top Staffers Were Paid by Freddie Mac until Last Month

An article (http://www.newsweek.com/id/160561/output/print) in Newsweek has now revealed that McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, was receiving monthly $15,000 checks until last month from Freddie Mac, the mortgage agency that the government recently took over. In addition, the head of McCain's transition team, William Timmons, Sr., was a registered lobbyist for Freddie Mac until this month according to an article (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aQIOOr9klOnE&refer=home) on Bloomberg News. His firm received $260,000 this year for unspecified work. Although McCain likes to rail against lobbyists and how he will put them in their place, having his campaign being run by people who lobbied for Freddie Mac cuts to the heart of his pitch as a reformer. This story is soon going to be all over the place (see for example, Newsday (http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usrick245855555sep24,0,4654351.story), the NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/24/us/politics/w24davis.html), and Roll Call (http://www.rollcall.com/news/28629-1.html)).

[watermock]

they greased alot of pockets, I agree. Both sides of the isle. no wonder there was gridlock.

[watermock]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-06-09-obama_N.htm

[baja]

McCain's Top Staffers Were Paid by Freddie Mac until Last Month

An article (http://www.newsweek.com/id/160561/output/print) in Newsweek has now revealed that McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, was receiving monthly $15,000 checks until last month from Freddie Mac, the mortgage agency that the government recently took over. In addition, the head of McCain's transition team, William Timmons, Sr., was a registered lobbyist for Freddie Mac until this month according to an article (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aQIOOr9klOnE&refer=home) on Bloomberg News. His firm received $260,000 this year for unspecified work. Although McCain likes to rail against lobbyists and how he will put them in their place, having his campaign being run by people who lobbied for Freddie Mac cuts to the heart of his pitch as a reformer. This story is soon going to be all over the place (see for example, Newsday (http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usrick245855555sep24,0,4654351.story), the NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/24/us/politics/w24davis.html), and Roll Call (http://www.rollcall.com/news/28629-1.html)).

The only reason this is not a huge story is because the financial world is falling apart and Sarah Palin is gleefully dumb so no more room for a "breaking news" story.

[watermock]

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Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac problems started by democrat administration personnel. Two Senators receive more campaign contributions from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac than all others from 1989-2008. Number 1 - Senator Chris Dodd, (D) CONN Chairman Senate Banking Committee and former 2008 Democrat candidate for President. Number 2 - Senator Barack Obama, current 2008 Democrat Nominee for President. How did Barack Obama do this after only 3 years as a Senator? Bad Judgment.

The Politico is reporting; “Jamie S. Gorelick, deputy attorney general in the Clinton administration and a chief policy adviser to Hillary Rodham Clinton, is rumored to be a possible attorney general in an Obama administration. She was vice chairman of Fannie Mae and sat on its board of directors.” More Bad Judgment!

Remember when Barack Obama stood up for his Vice Presidential Search Committee member Jim Johnson? It was June 2008 and Jim Johnson had to resign because of a “controversy” about his time at embattled Countrywide Mortgage. It was not important that Jim Johnson received loans at a below market rate.

It was also largely ignored that Jim Johnson was former CEO of Fannie Mae. It seems that the CEO’s of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were cooking the books. The CEO’s have been inflating yearly earnings to receive their annual bonuses! They would then amend the earnings statements later in the year.

Not a single CEO missed their annual bonuses.

This directly affects the perception of Barack Obama’s Judgment!

Barack Obama should be calling out his friend and all of the CEO’s for the illegalities they have committed. The Enron executives are in jail! Remember Ken Lay? (Deceased)

This will not happen because CEO’s like Franklin Raines, former CEO for Fannie Mae are protected by the Democrat Party. It helps when your a close adviser to Barack Obama.

Business Week reported in January 2005:

“On Labor Day, he was a favorite to be Treasury Secretary should John Kerry win the White House. At yearend, he had left under a cloud. The charmed career of Franklin D. Raines — a poor kid from Seattle who climbed through Harvard and a Rhodes Scholarship to become White House budget director and CEO of Fannie Mae (FNM ) — crashed to a halt on Dec. 21. That was six days after the Securities & Exchange Commission’s top accountant declared that mortgage giant Fannie misstated earnings for 3 1/2 years, leading to an estimated $9 billion restatement that will wipe out 40% of profits from 2001 to mid-2004.”

Amazing how the Democrat officials never get the full arm of the law. This Democrat, Raines, would have been rewarded with Treasury Secretary, he was already White House Budget Director under former President William (Bill) Jefferson Clinton. Instead his settlement nets him $114,000 a MONTH!! From us, the taxpayers.


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[baja]

they greased alot of pockets, I agree. Both sides of the isle. no wonder there was gridlock.

You're right Mock it's pretty bleak on both sides.

BTW glad to see you posting again my friend, here's to your health. ;D

[watermock]

Your complaining about an adviser and 260k when millions and billions are involved?

[watermock]

I've been trying tofigure out this mess. Fannie mae definetely covered both sides, many do.

It sucks I can barely type my hands are crippled. thats why my typing sucks.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

McCain and the Keating Five --> McCain and Gramm --> McCain and the Enron loophole --> McCain's top staffers on FM's payroll until a month ago.

Sorry, but no Dem (least of all Obama) is that complicit in the thievery of the last eight years.

[baja]

I've been trying tofigure out this mess. Fannie mae definetely covered both sides, many do.

It sucks I can barely type my hands are crippled. thats why my typing sucks.

Sorry to hear that Mock I pray that they will get better. Miracles do happen all the time.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

So you could borrow money to not plant corn???

The subprime lending orgy didn't start until after Clinton left office.

For eight years, the regulators Bush appointed did nothing to stop it or intervene in any significant way.

In fact, when the states moved to enact laws to protect consumers against predatory lenders, the Bush administration blocked their efforts.

[ScottXray]

Get yourself some of the voice recognition software... works pretty good in my experience :thumbs:


Yeah, do that! its worth a try at least.
Glad to see you posting Mock.

question ? Is Beezer around somewhere? Hope you can have him with you!

If he's not with you then I hope you recover enough to get back with your old friend soon.

[cutthemdown]

Barney Frank will have to answer for these statements

[watermock]

DEMOCRAT FINANCIAL CRISIS PLAN GIVES $140 BILLION TO ACORN, PAYBACK FROM OBAMA?
Posted on September 27, 2008 by digitalartpress
By: John Keitel

We may have just learned why the Democrat Party tried to run this $700 Billion financial crisis bill down our throats. More like $2 Trillion adding in what has already been paid out and what always happens, it costs more!

20%, $140 Billion, of the $700 Billion bail out was to go to ACORN. Until the Conservatives stepped in a threw some light on the deal.

John fund of The Wall Street Journal, reports:

“Indeed, Mr. Obama has extensive connections with the granddaddy of activist groups, Acorn (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now), which has gotten millions in government grants for its low-income housing programs. In 1992, Acorn hired Mr. Obama to run a voter registration effort. He later became a trainer for the group, as well as its lawyer in election law cases.

Acorn’s political arm has endorsed Mr. Obama while its “voter education” arm has pledged to spend $35 million to register people this fall — despite a history of vote fraud scandals that have led to guilty pleas by many Acorn employees.

The housing bill now before Congress would set up a slush fund for community organizations such as Acorn. But Acorn has gone quiet in its lobbying for the bill this week with the news that one of its employees — the brother of Acorn founder Wade Rathke — had stolen nearly $1 million from the group. Mr. Rathke decided not to alert law enforcement or the organization’s board, and kept his brother employed at Acorn until last month. “Is this the kind of group we want getting taxpayer money?” asks Rep. Ed Royce (R., Calif.)”

This smacks of political favors that would have been paid for by the Taxpayers. Obama is always surrounded by those that would do us harm.


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There's the acorn stuff, evidently its been taken out.


I got the voice reckognition stuff. I have stroke/drowning symptoms so the computer cant understand me enough . I keep improving but dont speak alot. I need a speech therapist like i had in the nursing home....but I'm happy just to escape. only 2 have in 6 years inc me.

[watermock]

Had to give Beezer to a good family. I can barely walk.

Let's get back to arguing...I'm certaily not pleased with Dumbass Dubya.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Gotta laugh at that post suggesting that the real reason Bush and Paulson are pushing this bail-out is to rescue a low-income housing program (as opposed to all of their cronies on Wall Street.)

That's almost as good as the "Saddam moved the WMD to Syria" bit. :D

[watermock]

1999: Fannie Mae eases credit to aid mortgage lending (September)[2]; Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repeals Glass-Steagall Act, deregulates banking, insurance and securities into a financial services industry (November)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subprime_crisis_impact_timeline

Like I said, 1999. The "everyone deserves a morgage(particuliarly minorities)" was under Clinton.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ironic how the same guy who was behind the move to repeal Glass-Steagall was in charge of McCain's campaign until recently.

BTW, the looting and pillaging didn't start until after Clinton left office.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Outlaw The Republican Party

by Jon Faulkner (http://www.smirkingchimp.com/user/jon_faulkner)

Dear Congress,

Please rush me $300,000. I have a bunch of old, worthless stocks my Grandmother left me. The companies they were issued by no longer exist, but if they did there‘s no telling how much the stocks would be worth today. I’m only asking a few hundred thousand for them because I’m not a greedy person, and I consider myself a patriotic American. I can’t over emphasize how crucial an immediate payment is. I’m broke and can’t pay my rent, and I bought a car that keeps breaking down. If you’d like to buy the car, I’ll include it for another $100,000.

Thank you so much,

A taxpayer

If taxpayers don’t hand $700 billion to Wall Street, the World will blink out of existence. The financial industry, and all of its republican cheerleaders, have bowed and scraped before the alter of unfettered, unregulated capitalism and if there has ever been, or ever will be justice in the World, the Holy Marketplace must be allowed to sink and take the Republican Party with it. [R.I.P.] Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson wants to infect the nation with his hysteria, and rush to completion the socialist rescue that must not be questioned. Americans have been enabling Wall Street’s larceny for over 30 years, beginning with their election of Reagan. People living in a democracy get the leaders they deserve, but it‘s a terrible injustice that free thinking Americans, aware of the market’s clay feet, must be brought down with the chaff.

Congress must not pursue its Constitutional role of oversight. Wall Street’s desperate plea, “Gimme the money or else!” is to suffice as the sole rational for Congressional approval of a handout so gargantuan, that if it were not earmarked for excrement that assumes the shapes of men, hunger could be eradicated on the planet. The bankers and the investors need much more than $700 billion. Those billions are to soften up Americans so they’ll be duped. “in for a penny, in for a pound.”

Nearing a bailout agreement, House Republicans “circulated an alternative designed to attract private capital back into the credit markets with less government intrusion.” Still biting the hand that feeds them. No oversight. No regulations. More of the same republican voodoo that caused the collapse in the first place. The Republican Party should be condemned for the traitorous and anti-American evil that is, and its existence as a political party should no longer be tolerated.

Beginning with Reagan’s “Government is the problem - not the solution,” the unraveling of the American economy had begun. With the Bush appointment to the presidency, the U.S. announced to the world that Americans were happy to suffer a clueless, intellectually challenged man with a nominal command of the English language. This is a guy who had the Midas Touch in reverse! The lies that precipitated a war with Iraq and Afghanistan, the labeling of other nation’s as parts of an axis of evil, the threats against Iran, the U.S. attempted intervention in Russia’s Georgia Province and now the meltdown of the financial industry is directly attributable to Bush and his republican cronies. Bush crinkles his forehead, says some insincere words, and goes back to his pretzels.

The U.S. can no longer play its trump card now that capitalism has been thoroughly debunked. If republican voters had performed the most rudimentary examination of Bush’s record before he became the republican candidate for president, the catastrophic damage he‘s done may have been avoided. Under his watch Wall Street has been so enabled that greed has become a virtue.

Now McCain and a nobody from Alaska wants to keep steering the U.S. into global oblivion. Sarah Palin is a shrewish creature. Her wagging tongue advertises her gross stupidity, even as it reveals her abysmal lack of domestic, and global awareness. A creationist and a closet book burner, she embodies the republican distaste for knowledge, and loudly shrills her inherent displeasure at anything resembling human tolerance and compassion. But that won’t dissuade her right wing admirers. Oh, no. They somehow think that a nasty, boorish ignoramus, is just what the doctor ordered. They recognize a kindred soul.

The world is no longer willing to entertain that deadly combination of American arrogance and ignorance. Global powers are tired of tolerating the American people’s penchant for self indulgence to the exclusion of all else.

Where has the media been hiding? Where were the geniuses at Fox News a scant two weeks before the market tanked? Did they wait for the collapse, then get permission to run their stories? Or are they so disassociated they were unable to see the encroaching financial collapse - the biggest in the nation’s history. The media worshipped the “Free Market Is Magic Myth” right along with the right wing, which makes media as incompetent and untrustworthy as the financial industry. How can anyone believe that the Media, Congress and Wall Street, didn’t see the meltdown coming but ignored the inevitable, secure in the knowledge that Uncle Sam would ride in like the Calvary and pull their feet out of the fire. Bush gave the rich folk over $3 trillion in tax breaks upon taking office. What irony. The leeches that Bush considers his pals dodged their share of taxes so now they can’t contribute to their own rescue. They are dead weight. An anchor around the nation’s neck.

The U.S. is not going to recover from eight years of Bush & Co. The shining beacon has been badly tarnished from the constant republican onslaught against government. Grover Norquist, an arrogant right wing fool if one ever lived, said the republicans needed to get government "down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub." Grover, being a republican right wingnut, wanted to choke to death the goose that laid the golden egg. Gee Grover. How would the Free Market survive their own stupidity and greed if not for the government? Real bright guy, that Grover.

Foreign heads of state are tired of humoring the elected fools that Americans enable. After 30 years of “let’s drown the government” republicans discover what has been so obvious all along that only one conclusion can be drawn. Anyone of the republican conservative persuasion has to be a low range moron. Undaunted, right wing congressional members scramble to distance themselves from their public records of governmet paranoia. McCain would have his supporters believe that he’s always been against deregulation. Republicans have been running a scam on the American people for many years, and millions of Americans have eagerly swallowed the hook. A neighbor explained that Obama is the Anti-Christ. She said he’s also going to take everyone’s guns away, and if he gets elected he’s going to change the nation’s flag to a pornographic symbol. By golly! She’s going with McCain!

Republican voters are typically anti-intellect. They are proud to see a man as ignorant as themselves, traveling the globe, and advertising the stupidity of a large segment of the U.S. population while embarrassing the rest. The angry white man is a loyal republican supporter, as are the God fearing Christians from the rural south and Midwest who seem to multiply like bacterium in a petri dish. The media says that Main Street is furious with Wall Street, but how many of those Main Streeter’s are republicans? How many will vote the McCain/Palin ticket thus guaranteeing more of the same? Such folk are never going to figure out that their leaders have rubbed their blunt, masticating faces, into a big pile of excrement. Ignorance is truly bliss.

McCain, as might be expected, warns that “time is running out” and encourages Americans to join hands with Wall Street and jump off the cliff. Saving Wall Street from itself after 30 years of “get government off our backs,” and “the market is self correcting,” and “let’s drown government in the bathtub” rankles, to say the least. Toss in a few trillion in tax breaks for the folks who robbed their way to disaster and it’s enough to make a Saint swoon in disgust. McCain and Palin are not the brightest bulbs in the chandelier, and can only be expected to revisit all of the mistakes that have gotten the U.S. into this mess.

Perhaps Bush will attack Iran and thus hand McCain the presidency. Americans will forget about the many billions they don’t have to bailout Wall Street, while they devote many more billions they don’t have to attack Iran. McCain, hotheaded, impulsive, hawkish to the extreme, will become another “war president.” If the U.S. attacks Iran, China and other lenders who buy U.S. debt will say, “No thanks.” Look for another currency, probably the Euro, to replace the dollar as the world’s fiat currency.

Wall Street with its investors, its bankers, its lending industry, will enter a long winter of bear market stagnation. The rich guys who robbed the American taxpayers blind, will withdraw with their millions in ill begotten gains while the dust settles. The convulsing economy may very possibly foment civil unrest, and the fat cats don’t want to see stuff like that. It’s offensive to them. They find the herd’s violence vulgar, and an affront to their sensibilities. So they’ll withdraw to a private island, or the South of France, or any number of places on Earth “where the fish are jumpin’ and the cottin’ is high.”

Congress is perfectly aware of what it would take to fix the economy and restore democracy. It would be a long, hard road back, but it could be done. Every lobbyist in Washington must be tarred and feathered, then run out of town. Next, shoot on sight orders should be issued for every lobbyist caught within 50 miles of Washington. Next, restore Glass-Steagall, and kill the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act that deregulated the safety measures that FDR put in place to stop Wall Street from triggering another Great Depression.

Restore the Fairness Doctrine that required television and radio programs to air alternative points of view on political issues. Eliminating the Fairness Doctrine enabled Rush Limbaugh and his ilk to flagrantly, shamelessly lie, to soft headed conservatives who were happy to share in the angst that Limbaugh so gleefully encouraged. With the Fairness Doctrine back in place, Limbaugh and other like minded simpletons, completely incapable of intelligent debate, will go off the air. There are other changes that would help restore democracy, but these few would be a great start. What chance is there of Congress instituting such changes? Absolutely zero. It would take courage, and a sense of patriotic duty, and Congress has neither.

[watermock]

Well, this thread is hijacked...again. As usual.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

"Hijacked" would imply "steered off-topic."

Such is not the case.

[watermock]

Cat's out of the bag now!

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[W*GS]

Faulkner's piece is touching - all the radical-left hot buttons done with rhetorical flourishes that make LABF all aroused...

Too bad it's mostly silly.

[Rohirrim]

Cat's out of the bag now!

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It cracks me up to listen to this Faux Noise stuff. Basically, they are doing commercials for McCain. Gratis. ROFL!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

It cracks me up to listen to this Faux Noise stuff. Basically, they are doing commercials for McCain. Gratis. ROFL!

:rofl:

It's like Faux is broadcasting from some whacky parallel universe where facts, truth, and logic have no meaning.

[stugotsII]

That video has nothing to do with Paulsen...

Again when the republican party owns all votes necessary in the house and senate... not to mention the pres. You don't get to blame the other guys because they recieved money from Fanny/Freddie. Republicans had the numbers and could of pushed through any legislation they wanted. Guess what... they didn't.

Link?

[stugotsII]

This is an example of what happens when Democrats get their way. The housing issue is an example of a social program started by liberals that has crippled this country.

With that said, both parties are to blame, but you people that only blame the right are simply ignorant.

[Spider]

This is an example of what happens when Democrats get their way. The housing issue is an example of a social program started by liberals that has crippled this country.

With that said, both parties are to blame, but you people that only blame the right are simply ignorant.

Speaking of ignorance how have you been ?
just to clue you in , the party in Power takes the blame ...... does your silly ass really believe Carter was the down fall in our economy ?
I hope not , but Carter was the man in charge ....... We put people in these offices of power for a reason , the writing was on the wall , Reps have had both houses since 1994 ......... welcome to reality ......

[stugotsII]

Speaking of ignorance how have you been ?
just to clue you in , the party in Power takes the blame ...... does your silly ass really believe Carter was the down fall in our economy ?
I hope not , but Carter was the man in charge ....... We put people in these offices of power for a reason , the writing was on the wall , Reps have had both houses since 1994 ......... welcome to reality ......

The reality is, this country has been crippled by liberal social programs such as giving people housing loans that can't afford them.

Carter was actually the start of the problem. It was carried on by Clinton who made it worse.

Obama is a do nothing, talks a lot politician that will say anything to get into power and do nothing when he gets it.

There are huge costs in his utopian dream civilization. Now is not the time to be giving people free everything and taxing the very people that give this country jobs.

The complany Obama keeps should go a long way in determining who people should vote for.

A terrorist

A racist preacher

A money hungry CEO who has helped cripple this country

Another money hungry CEO who has helped cripple this coutnry

A VP choice that doesn't think Obama is ready to lead, and is a human gaffe machine

Another terrorist and his wife

His own wife who is for the first time proud of her country, even though she has everything in life she would want.

Rezko

Why is this guy even in the running?

[TheDave]

Link?

You need a link showing that the repubs held the majority in the house and senate from 94-06?

[baja]

You need a link showing that the repubs held the majority in the house and senate from 94-06?

Could I have a link of you asking him if he needs a link?

[alkemical]

I'll link to that!

[TailgateNut]

Gawd you're slow... Who had the majority in 1994 - 2006?

That when they bills were suposedly being "Struck down"

Now once again... wich party held the majority in the house and senate from 1994 - 2006?

Mock is batting .001 on this one and doesn't even realize it. Just give him a spoon o peanut butter and call it a day!;D

[TailgateNut]

The reality is, this country has been crippled by liberal social programs such as giving people housing loans that can't afford them.

Carter was actually the start of the problem. It was carried on by Clinton who made it worse.

Obama is a do nothing, talks a lot politician that will say anything to get into power and do nothing when he gets it.

There are huge costs in his utopian dream civilization. Now is not the time to be giving people free everything and taxing the very people that give this country jobs.

The complany Obama keeps should go a long way in determining who people should vote for.

A terrorist

A racist preacher

A money hungry CEO who has helped cripple this country

Another money hungry CEO who has helped cripple this coutnry

A VP choice that doesn't think Obama is ready to lead, and is a human gaffe machine

Another terrorist and his wife

His own wife who is for the first time proud of her country, even though she has everything in life she would want.

Rezko

Why is this guy even in the running?




Day pass from the funny farm?

...and I thought Codeman took the cake.

[Rohirrim]

The reality is, this country has been crippled by liberal social programs such as giving people housing loans that can't afford them.

Carter was actually the start of the problem. It was carried on by Clinton who made it worse.

Obama is a do nothing, talks a lot politician that will say anything to get into power and do nothing when he gets it.

There are huge costs in his utopian dream civilization. Now is not the time to be giving people free everything and taxing the very people that give this country jobs.

The complany Obama keeps should go a long way in determining who people should vote for.

A terrorist

A racist preacher

A money hungry CEO who has helped cripple this country

Another money hungry CEO who has helped cripple this coutnry

A VP choice that doesn't think Obama is ready to lead, and is a human gaffe machine

Another terrorist and his wife

His own wife who is for the first time proud of her country, even though she has everything in life she would want.

Rezko

Why is this guy even in the running?

Hi! My name is Stewedguts and I live in my own little bizarro parallel world. :wave:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Hi! My name is Stewedguts and I live in my own little bizarro parallel world. :wave:

Ha!

A word that would shock even George Orwell.

[Traveler]

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[watermock]

That was very non specific. He could of been discussing anything in most of that.

[Rohirrim]

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McCain will say anything, and do anything, to win the White House.

[Mr.Meanie]

The reality is, this country has been crippled by liberal social programs such as giving people housing loans that can't afford them.

Carter was actually the start of the problem. It was carried on by Clinton who made it worse.

Obama is a do nothing, talks a lot politician that will say anything to get into power and do nothing when he gets it.

There are huge costs in his utopian dream civilization. Now is not the time to be giving people free everything and taxing the very people that give this country jobs.

The complany Obama keeps should go a long way in determining who people should vote for.

A terrorist

A racist preacher

A money hungry CEO who has helped cripple this country

Another money hungry CEO who has helped cripple this coutnry

A VP choice that doesn't think Obama is ready to lead, and is a human gaffe machine

Another terrorist and his wife

His own wife who is for the first time proud of her country, even though she has everything in life she would want.

Rezko

Why is this guy even in the running?

First off, I agree that both sides are complicit in all this mess. Just about every politician on both sides gorged off of lobbyist money for years and did absolutely nothing to stop this.

But seriously... you are doing nothing but regurgitating the Republican smears like a blind little lemming. I would bet you were all over the Swift Boat stuff from last election cycle, and that you probably own some purple heart bandaids.

Think for yourself man...

[defenseman]

Sorry. I just can't believe anything coming from the propaganda wing of the Republican Party.

Same goes for anything for the left side of the aisle, all lies....there you go...we are even..dman

[Rohirrim]

Same goes for anything for the left side of the aisle, all lies....there you go...we are even..dman

Except I'm only referring to Fox Noise. You're talking about everybody else from PBS, to NPR, to the Networks, etc. ;D

[Bronco Bob]

The reality is, this country has been crippled by liberal social programs such as giving people housing loans that can't afford them.

Carter was actually the start of the problem. It was carried on by Clinton who made it worse.

The housing bubble and bust all happened under Bush. It wasn't
poor people getting a house they couldn't afford that caused this
mess. It was the demand in housing this created. Which caused
the prices of homes to soar out of sight. The banks took this
fake money and used it to make more bad loans, which in turn
drove housing prices up even more. And more fake money was
loaned out to buy more homes. Eventually they ran out of
people to buy these hyper inflated homes, and the whole
thing came crashing down. I know it's fun for the elitists
in the Republican party to dump on the poor. But the poor
were just the tools, not the cause of this mess. Blame the
greedy bankers looking to make a quick buck for it.
And the lack of regulation to oversee them.