Sara Palin quits - crystal ball speaks

[baja]

My gut does not lie, the 1st October surprise will be Palin saying she has had time to reflect and feels she can't be away from her young child as much as the VP job would require and therefore must for the good of America and her baby withdraw. She will do this before the VP debate.

[SoCalBronco]

Wanna bet?

[baja]

What do you suggest?

Obviously I want odds.

[enjolras]

Its not impossible, but HUGELY improbable... it would kill the McCain campaign.

[Rohirrim]

Its not impossible, but HUGELY improbable... it would kill the McCain campaign.

Depends how they do it, but they've got to do it, IMO. She's becoming an anchor. I love it. ;D

[baja]

Its not impossible, but HUGELY improbable... it would kill the McCain campaign.

Not if quitting was her idea and the reason was to be a better mother. They can't let this woman debate Biden, that would kill Mccain.

[SoCalBronco]

What do you suggest?

Obviously I want odds.

I have a proposal for you and its a favorable one, with regard to the odds you mentioned.

If Ms. Palin quits before the VP debate, I will wear the following sig for TEN months from the date of the VP debate:

http://www.northernsun.com/images/thumb/0849.jpg

In addition, I will be required to have the following language in my sig (and it will be the ONLY OTHER THING that can be placed in my sig during this time :USA: Obama: Real Leadership for a Country in Dire Need of It. It's about ****ing Time! :USA:


If Ms. Palin does not quit before the VP debate, since I'm such a nice guy, I won't even force you to wear a McCain sig since you hate him so much. I like you baja, so I'll tell you what I'm gonna do for you. You will have to wear the following sig only for THREE months after the date of the VP debate:

http://www.ssa.gov/history/pics/nixon1972.jpg

The following also must be in your sig (and must be the ONLY other thing, in addition to the photo, that is allowed in your sig): :USA: Remembering one of America's finest. Thank you for everything, Mr. President :USA:


What say you?

If you would like me to host another Obama photograph of your choice (instead of just the campaign button) , please show me and I will consider it.

[DomCasual]

She's going to get trounced next week. Her interviews are painful.

[DenverBrit]

Could McCain find a replacement MILF?

[Bronco Bob]

Could McCain find a replacement MILF?

Should have picked Romney. Unless McCain did ask Romney and Romney
is still pissed about McCain taking the nomination away from and said
"piss off, old man." Seems odd with Romney and Giuliani and Thompson
and even Huckabee out there, all very popular with the conservatives,
that McCain would pick someone two years in office of some podunk
state that no one had ever even heard of outside of that said state.

[baja]

Tempting So Cal but I can not under any circumstances wear as a sig that is a photo of the man that took us off the gold standard and handed this great nation over the the bankers. This one act did more to speed the downfall of this great nation than any other. This is the root cause to the bleak financial situation we find ourselves today.

So I have a counter proposal. If Palin shows up for the debate i will donate 35 dollars to the mane if she does not show up for the debate you send off 50 bucks to the mane.

[SoCalBronco]

Tempting So Cal but I can not under any circumstances wear as a sig that is a photo of the man that took us off the gold standard and handed this great nation over the the bankers. This one act did more to speed the downfall of this great nation than any other. This is the root cause to the bleak financial situation we find ourselves today.

So I have a counter proposal. If Palin shows up for the debate i will donate 35 dollars to the mane if she does not show up for the debate you send off 50 bucks to the mane.

Actually, I think that was a rather wise move by the President, given the circumstances at play at the time. I would go into more detail, but I don't want to derail your thread.

I was looking forward to you wearing that sig though....its too bad you turned it down. I accept your counterproposal.

[Pseudofool]

I'll take the bet if noone else will. I'll even post consistently on the mane board.

[Arkie]

It's just as likely that Biden quits.

[baja]

Actually, I think that was a rather wise move by the President, given the circumstances at play at the time. I would go into more detail, but I don't want to derail your thread.

I was looking forward to you wearing that sig though....its too bad you turned it down. I accept your counterproposal.

o k

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

It's just as likely that Biden quits.

???

Can you see our solar system from your planet?

[Hogan11]

After what I saw in those interviews, Biden can make many serious gaffs and still mop the floor with her....easily.

It's not going to be pretty....even still, they're not going to let her quit even if she wanted to.....they're locked in.

[Arkie]

???

Can you see our solar system from your planet?

Palin is slightly more likely to quit.

PALIN.VP.WITHDRAWN
Sarah Palin to be withdrawn as Republican VP nominee/candidate before 2008 presidential election M Trade 6.4 6.9 6.9 27762 +2.4

BIDEN.VP.WITHDRAWN
Joe Biden to be withdrawn as Democratic VP candidate before 2008 presidential election M Trade 5.3 5.8 5.5 8217 -1.5

http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/contractSearch/

[Broncosfreak_56]

Oops. I accidently said No. I meant yes. She still sucks(and possibly blows), but she will be on it.

[sisterhellfyre]

My gut does not lie, the 1st October surprise will be Palin saying she has had time to reflect and feels she can't be away from her young child as much as the VP job would require and therefore must for the good of America and her baby withdraw. She will do this before the VP debate.

We should all be so lucky.

Regards,
m.

[DBruleU]

If she is so bad for the McCain campaign, and you guys definitely think that, why do you want her to quit? Judging by all the posts here, she does more damage being on the ticket...so again, why would you want her gone?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

If she is so bad for the McCain campaign, and you guys definitely think that, why do you want her to quit? Judging by all the posts here, she does more damage being on the ticket...so again, why would you want her gone?

Who said they wanted her gone?

This is just a poll to see who thinks McSame will drop her from the ticket.

[spdirty]

There is a better chance that Biden won't be on the ticket than Palin.

[theAPAOps5]

Oh God I can't wait for the VP debate. Palin looked like a deer in the headlights at times with Ms Congeniality Katie Couric.

[BroncoBuff]

I agree 100% baja ... her poll numbers are dropping fast, and there's no reason to beieve she'll do or say anything that will turn them around much. And like you say, she has a million and one personal reasons she can cite for withdrawal.

I'm thinking it will happen in the next five days .... if she shows up Thursday, it will be a disaster.

[JCMElway]

There is a better chance that Biden won't be on the ticket than Palin.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard you say.

And that's saying quite a lot.

[BroncoBuff]

This could work VERY MUCH on favor of McSame.

If Palin withdraws dramatically, and blames the "liberal media" for an invasion of her family's privacy, she will become an attractive "victim." This story about hacking into her Yahoo e-mail might've been a big smokescreen to start setting up a dramatic withdrawal, now there might be a "shocking discovery" that the "liberal media" has accessed her daughter's medical records or something. If they work it right, it will enrage the Hillary PUMAs, who also feel the media was unfair and complicit in Hillary's loss ... plus, the GOP base will be righteously angry. PLUS, if they top it off by naming a pro-choice VP like Tom Ridge, the PUMAs will have no reason not to vote McSame.

This could work .... big time.

[JCMElway]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/27/opinion/27herbert.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Op-Ed Columnist
Palin’s Words Raise Red Flags


By BOB HERBERT
Published: September 26, 2008

The country is understandably focused on the financial crisis. But there is another serious issue in front of us that is not getting nearly enough attention, and that’s whether Sarah Palin is qualified to be vice president — or, if the situation were to arise, president of the United States.
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History has shown again and again that a vice president must be ready to assume command of the ship of state on a moment’s notice. But Ms. Palin has given no indication yet that she is capable of handling the monumental responsibilities of the presidency if she were called upon to do so.

In fact, the opposite is the case. We know that there are some parts of Alaska from which, if the day is clear and your eyesight is good, you can actually see Russia. But the infantile repetition of this bit of trivia as some kind of foreign policy bona fide for a vice presidential candidate should give us pause.

The McCain campaign has done its bizarre best to shield Ms. Palin from any sustained media examination of her readiness for the highest offices in the land, and no wonder. She has been an embarrassment in interviews.

But the idea that the voters of the United States might install someone in the vice president’s office who is too unprepared or too intellectually insecure to appear on, say, “Meet the Press” or “Face the Nation” is mind-boggling.

The alarm bells should be clanging and warning lights flashing. You wouldn’t put an unqualified pilot in the cockpit of a jetliner. The potential for catastrophe is far, far greater with an unqualified president.

The United States has been lucky in terms of the qualifications of the vice presidents who have had to step in over the last several decades for presidents who either died or, in Richard Nixon’s case, were forced to leave office. Harry Truman and Lyndon Johnson became extraordinary presidents in their own right. Gerald Ford successfully guided the nation through the immediate aftermath of one of the most traumatic political crises in its history.

For those who think Sarah Palin is in that league, there is no problem. But her unscripted public appearances would lead most honest observers to think otherwise. When asked again this week about her puerile linkage of foreign policy proficiency and Alaska’s proximity to Russia, this time by Katie Couric of CBS News, here is what Ms. Palin said she meant:

“That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and on our other side, the land — boundary that we have with — Canada.”

She went on, but lost her way midsentence: “It’s funny that a comment like that was kind of made to — cari — I don’t know, you know? Reporters ...”

Ms. Couric said, “Mocked?”

“Yeah, mocked,” said Ms. Palin. “I guess that’s the word. Yeah.”

It is not just painful, but frightening to watch someone who could become the vice president of the United States stumbling around like this in an interview.

Ms. Couric asked Ms. Palin to explain how Alaska’s proximity to Russia “enhances your foreign policy credentials.”

“Well, it certainly does,” Ms. Palin replied, “because our, our next-door neighbors are foreign countries, there in the state that I am the executive of. And there—”

Gently interrupting, Ms. Couric asked, “Have you ever been involved in any negotiations, for example, with the Russians?”

“We have trade missions back and forth,” said Ms. Palin. “We do. It’s very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia. As Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States of America, where do they go? It’s Alaska. It’s just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to our state.”

It was surreal, the kind of performance that would generate a hearty laugh if it were part of a Monty Python sketch. But this is real life, and the stakes couldn’t be higher. As Ms. Palin was fumbling her way through the Couric interview, the largest bank failure in the history of the United States, the collapse of Washington Mutual, was occurring.

The press has an obligation to hammer away at Ms. Palin’s qualifications. If it turns out that she has just had a few bad interviews because she was nervous or whatever, additional scrutiny will serve her well.

If, on the other hand, it becomes clear that her performance, so far, is an accurate reflection of her qualifications, it would behoove John McCain and the Republican Party to put the country first — as Mr. McCain loves to say — and find a replacement for Ms. Palin on the ticket.

[BroncoInferno]

If she is so bad for the McCain campaign, and you guys definitely think that, why do you want her to quit? Judging by all the posts here, she does more damage being on the ticket...so again, why would you want her gone?

I don't want her to quit under any circumstances. The hilarity of her ineptitude is not only comedy gold, but helps to highlight McCain's piss poor judgement and sink his campaign. We are just saying it's possible she will step down because the McCain camp knows she is torpedoing them and they might look to cut their losses. However, that would probably sink his campaign too, so they will probably just have to ride out the storm. The VP debates will be a bloodbath.

[BroncoBuff]

By the way, that kid is not hers.

I was reserving judgment on that, but too many people in Alaska have said she never looked pregnant until the last month, and there is a picture of her wearing a certain purple dress 62 days before the birthdate (supposedly), that clearly shows she is not pregnant. She wore the same dress months before the "pregnancy," and has worn it since the birth. And like gunns said, she was running in heels just 30 days before the "birth," which is a virtual impossibility. In addition, it is true that the daughter missed five months of school before the birth with "mononucleosis." Family is off-limits ... but this is HER.

[Crushaholic]

While it would certainly make news for McCain, it won't happen. I believe she will be a better debater than some of you think. I also believe, once McCain gets into office, that she will just do her job and not pretend like she's president. It will all work out...even WITH her family demands...

[BroncoInferno]

I believe she will be a better debater than some of you think.

Based on what exactly? Hope and a prayer? Because she can't even get through an interview with Charlie Gibson or Katie Couric. How the hell is she gonna get through a debate with Biden?

[Rank&File]

By the way, that kid is not hers.

I was reserving judgment on that, but too many people in Alaska have said she never looked pregnant until the last month, and there is a picture of her wearing a certain purple dress 62 days before the birthdate (supposedly), that clearly shows she is not pregnant. She wore the same dress months before the "pregnancy," and has worn it since the birth. And like gunns said, she was running in heels just 30 days before the "birth," which is a virtual impossibility. In addition, it is true that the daughter missed five months of school before the birth with "mononucleosis." Family is off-limits ... but this is HER.

I don't know and I don't really care, I'm fully in Obama's corner. But you have to realize that pregnancies differ widely from kid to kid. When my wife had our 1st, she didn't really show until the end of the 8th month. With our second, you could tell she was prego at month three. With our third, it was later again, and she did treadmill work until she was 30 days out. Every woman is different, and every pregnancy is different. Hell, the wife is 7 months along now with our 4th, and she can out run me! Again, I don't care about this issue, I just felt the need to throw my exp out there.

[Crushaholic]

Based on what exactly? Hope and a prayer? Because she can't even get through an interview with Charlie Gibson or Katie Couric. How the hell is she gonna get through a debate with Biden?

It's based on the feeling that the campaign has been prepping her for the debate. I feel she'll be as poised as she was during the convention. While I certainly could be wrong, I don't think I am.

[theAPAOps5]

I believe she will be a better debater than some of you think.

Based on what exactly? She is sheltered from the media she gave a horrid interview and she is not versed on Executive Level criteria like Foreign Policy and the such.

She may be a great public speaker but thats not what a debate is. Biden will turn her around and inside out. You can only say that I am a maverick and took on big oil, and sold a jet, and I love God so many times.

Heck if I am wrong I will own it but going up against a season Congressional opponent such as Biden is a huge task for anyone.

[theAPAOps5]

It's based on the feeling that the campaign has been prepping her for the debate. I feel she'll be as poised as she was during the convention. While I certainly could be wrong, I don't think I am.

She was poised because she read off a script and wasn't asked questions and wasn't forced to debate another candidate.

[BroncoInferno]

It's based on the feeling that the campaign has been prepping her for the debate. I feel she'll be as poised as she was during the convention. While I certainly could be wrong, I don't think I am.

You don't think they prepped her any for Couric or Gibson?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

This could work VERY MUCH on favor of McSame.

If Palin withdraws dramatically, and blames the "liberal media" for an invasion of her family's privacy, she will become an attractive "victim." This story about hacking into her Yahoo e-mail might've been a big smokescreen to start setting up a dramatic withdrawal, now there might be a "shocking discovery" that the "liberal media" has accessed her daughter's medical records or something. If they work it right, it will enrage the Hillary PUMAs, who also feel the media was unfair and complicit in Hillary's loss ... plus, the GOP base will be righteously angry. PLUS, if they top it off by naming a pro-choice VP like Tom Ridge, the PUMAs will have no reason not to vote McSame.

This could work .... big time.

I disagree.

She's already had her fifteen minutes, the polls show that the voters are not buying her bullsh*t, and the media has already thrown her under the bus.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard you say.

And that's saying quite a lot.

:yep: :giggle:

[BroncoBuff]

While I certainly could be wrong, I don't think I am.
You don't think you're wrong? Courageous stand, congratulations! ;D





jk

[BroncoBuff]

I disagree.

She's already had her fifteen minutes, the polls show that the voters are not buying her bullsh*t, and the media has already thrown her under the bus.
I don't get it .... I'm saying if she withdraws with tears and righteous indignation, blaming the "liberal media" for sexism and prying into her family's privacy, that the PUMAs and the right-wing base would both be enraged and energized ... and a pro-choice VP like Ridge could draw mucho female voters. Remember how Hillary's tears in New Hampshire turned out to be a shocking game-changer.

The Yahoo e-mail cracking could be just the first brick in that house of blame.

[BroncoBuff]

Although none of this is gonna hapen ... I'll bet she stays through the election. Hopefully.

[Traveler]

Although none of this is gonna hapen ... I'll bet she stays through the election. Hopefully.

Agreed!

[DenverBrit]

Although none of this is gonna hapen ... I'll bet she stays through the election. Hopefully.

I haven't given up on the potential entertainment value offered by 'TrooperGate.'
So I hope she sticks around for a while. The comedy potential is priceless.

[enjolras]

You don't think they prepped her any for Couric or Gibson?

Wasn't that what the big gap between her appointment to the ticket and her first interview supposed to be about? The McCain campaign said they wanted to give her some time to become fully familiar with McCain's policies and beliefs. IE: Prepping her for interviews..

[Rohirrim]

Wasn't that what the big gap between her appointment to the ticket and her first interview supposed to be about? The McCain campaign said they wanted to give her some time to become fully familiar with McCain's policies and beliefs. IE: Prepping her for interviews..

I guess there's only so much prep you can do. Perhaps she hit the saturation point (which I'm guessing was set pretty low). ROFL!

[baja]

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard you say.

And that's saying quite a lot.

It's amazing he keeps breaking his own record.

[baja]

This could work VERY MUCH on favor of McSame.

If Palin withdraws dramatically, and blames the "liberal media" for an invasion of her family's privacy, she will become an attractive "victim." This story about hacking into her Yahoo e-mail might've been a big smokescreen to start setting up a dramatic withdrawal, now there might be a "shocking discovery" that the "liberal media" has accessed her daughter's medical records or something. If they work it right, it will enrage the Hillary PUMAs, who also feel the media was unfair and complicit in Hillary's loss ... plus, the GOP base will be righteously angry. PLUS, if they top it off by naming a pro-choice VP like Tom Ridge, the PUMAs will have no reason not to vote McSame.

This could work .... big time.

Delete this immediately Buff it's too damn good an idea

[Bronco Bob]

There is a better chance that Biden won't be on the ticket than Palin.

Based on what?

[baja]

While it would certainly make news for McCain, it won't happen. I believe she will be a better debater than some of you think. I also believe, once McCain gets into office, that she will just do her job and not pretend like she's president. It will all work out...even WITH her family demands...

In all seriousness if Palin stays on the ticket and if Mccain/Palin still somehow win with the help of Diebolt or whatever and if the 72 year old cancer victim that is John McCain did die in office would you be comfortable with Sarah Palin as your sitting president of the United States in todays world?

If that happens I will grab by mosquito repellant and go live in a rain forest

[Bronco Bob]

This could work VERY MUCH on favor of McSame.

If Palin withdraws dramatically, and blames the "liberal media" for an invasion of her family's privacy, she will become an attractive "victim." This story about hacking into her Yahoo e-mail might've been a big smokescreen to start setting up a dramatic withdrawal, now there might be a "shocking discovery" that the "liberal media" has accessed her daughter's medical records or something. If they work it right, it will enrage the Hillary PUMAs, who also feel the media was unfair and complicit in Hillary's loss ... plus, the GOP base will be righteously angry. PLUS, if they top it off by naming a pro-choice VP like Tom Ridge, the PUMAs will have no reason not to vote McSame.

This could work .... big time.

But you have to weigh that against the people who will think that McCain
screwed up big time in his first big decision and what other faulty judgments
he will make as president. Yes, we know conservatives are as dumb as
fence posts, and would probably fall for that crap. But the election
will be decided by the independents, and they aren't quite as gullible.

And even as dumb as the right is, putting a pro-choice Ridge on the
ticket will more than offset an alleged Hillary backers that McCain
will pick up. I don't think they will. Women aren't that dumb.

[Bronco Bob]

It's based on the feeling that the campaign has been prepping her for the debate. I feel she'll be as poised as she was during the convention. While I certainly could be wrong, I don't think I am.

She has a teleprompter which she read a speech written by McCain's staff.
In the debate she's on her own.

[baja]

Well if they are thinking of this... It better happen before the debate. My guess is she will get her ass handed to her in some way shape or form. I don't think she can pull off the "mean liberal press" routine after a significant debate loss.

Me thinks I'm going to get my admiral Stockdale moment...;D

That's the point - do it so she will not have to debate, that will kill Mccain and they know it.

[Hogan11]

She's gonna get absolutely destroyed. It'll be as painful as sitting thru any sequel to Meatballs

[Meck77]

I honestely don't think they can pull it off in a week... NOW... could she suddenly become "Ill" prior to the debate. That wouldn't suprise me.

Just rumors but I've heard the same thing could happen to Biden. Open door for Hillary?

[TexanBob]

Ballots have already been printed and early voting is taking place in some states. No chance either party replaces the ticket now. For one thing, it would be like admitting they were poor decision makers.

[Hogan11]

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[DenverBrit]

I honestely don't think they can pull it off in a week... NOW... could she suddenly become "Ill" prior to the debate. That wouldn't suprise me.

Her water's going to break again. Ha!

[BroncoInferno]

Sorry bro but Rush Limbaugh rumors don't count... Comparing Palin to Biden is desperate at best.

It's laughable the way they try to conflate a seasoned pro like Biden with Betty Crocker. The only people who talk about him coming off the tickets are Rethugs who know he is going to put his boot in Palin's moose hunting from an airplane ass.

[Hogan11]

It's laughable the way they try to conflate a seasoned pro like Biden with Betty Crocker. The only people who talk about him coming off the tickets are Rethugs who know he is going to put his boot in Palin's moose hunting from an airplane ass.

They still hate Biden with a passion because he saved the country from Bork.

[BroncoInferno]

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Ouch.

[Meck77]

Sorry bro but Rush Limbaugh rumors don't count... Comparing Palin to Biden is desperate at best.

Just where did the palin quitting rumor start? They both sound pretty desperate to me.

[Meck77]

I think Baja started it...



He's a Mexican. His opinion of American issues don't matter anyway.

[baja]

He's a Mexican. His opinion of American issues don't matter anyway.

I'm more American that you draft dodger.

[Hogan11]

Ouch.

I love that clip, it's on the money. Here's another version of it, dig Jack's reaction to McCain flip flopping on going to the debate Ha!

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[Northman]

I love that clip, it's on the money. Here's another version of it, dig Jack's reaction to McCain flip flopping on going to the debate Ha!

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That is some scary stuff. I love Cafferty's reaction. He was having no part of anyone giving excuses for her. Accountability and Cafferty called it right on the nose. Saddest thing is all of these canidates are just terrible but if thats the best that Palin can do without a script then we are in real trouble.

[watermock]

That wouldnt fly as a joke....

It's pathetic. At least Huckabee would give a funny answer.

[baja]

This is like one of those real bad dreams that you don't know your are dreaming. You can't believe what a terrible predicament you are in where it seems that there is no way out, then when you do wake up and realize it's a dream you are so relieved. Well that's how I feel about our situation right now, can I wake up now please.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

On strategy and tactics (http://http/archives/2008/09/on_strategy_and_tactics.php)

Some examples are so familiar as to need no explanation: McCain choosing the ten-day tactical "bounce" from the surprise choice of Sarah Palin, in exchange for the enormous strategic risk in choosing an un-vetted and now obviously unqualified running mate. Or McCain rolling the dice with his threat to boycott the debate - and then, once on stage, appearing to be only mildly interested in the financial-bailout deal that 72 hours earlier was the stated reason for overturning all agreements about the debates.