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SoCalBronco
09-25-2008, 12:25 AM
Shanahan: Broncos' youth is served
By Mike Chambers
The Denver Post
Article Last Updated: 09/24/2008 01:29:09 PM MDT


Broncos coach Mike Shanahan was riled against the Saints. (AP | Bill Ross)Two relatively young teams will meet Sunday at Kansas City's Arrowhead Stadium. Broncos coach Mike Shanahan said the difference between his 3-0 team and the 0-3 Chiefs could be the play of his youngsters.

"I'm not exactly sure the way (Kansas City) went about it," Shanahan said of the Chiefs' youth movement. "I just know we've been very fortunate to see our young players and step up and play at the level they've played, and hopefully they can keep it up."

Shanahan pointed to rookie tackle Ryan Clady second-year tackle Ryan Harris as players that have solidified the offensive line, and rookie fullbacks Peyton Hillis and Spencer Larsen, plus rookie cornerback Jack Williams and rookie linebacker Wesley Woodyard, as difference makers on special teams and solid backups with long careers in front of them.

Shanahan also noted rookie receiver Eddie Royal, a no-brainer. Royal is a starter who is second on the team with 18 catches, and a star in the making.

"You look at Ryan Clady, he's playing like a vet, and Ryan Harris, even though he's a second-year player, he had back surgery last year and has come back played the way he has," Shanahan. "And a guy like Eddie Royal, who is playing good on offense and special teams.

"Peyton Hillis and Spencer Larson, both at the fullback position and a couple guys that have played extremely on special teams. And you get a guy like Jack Williams that comes in and proves he can play in the preseason, not only at the corner position but also on special teams.

"Wesley Woodyard comes in and is probably one of our top special teams players that we have and will eventually be a starter at linebacker."

Shanahan wasn't done. He also spoke highly of rookie punter Brett Kern and rookie tackle Tyler Polumbus. "A couple free agents that we had at draftable grades and were able to get them as free agents," Shanahan said.

The bottom line, Shanahan said, is that "we feel very good that these guys are not only part of your 53 (man roster) but part of your 45 that dress on game day."

Mike Chambers: 303-954-1357 or mchambers@denverpost.com


Interesting. Maybe Shanny will switch him to MLB when he gains more weight as I have been clamoring for publicly, as he has no future at WLB. Given these comments and the fact that both OLBs have long term deals, it seems that we may not address MLB early in the draft.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_10547611

Atwater His Ass
09-25-2008, 12:29 AM
He didn't say he'd be a starter in Denver.

I love the way the guy plays though, it would be great to see him excel at the MLB position if he can do it.

Vegas_Bronco
09-25-2008, 01:01 AM
Woodyard won't go anywhere...we love our LB's a little too much sometimes. He'll be in the starting rotation next season. I'm not entirely convinced that Nate Webster is an every down linebacker. He is definitely playing with some passion, but we'll need a superstar at MLB soon enough.

bap454
09-25-2008, 01:24 AM
Woodyard won't go anywhere...we love our LB's a little too much sometimes. He'll be in the starting rotation next season. I'm not entirely convinced that Nate Webster is an every down linebacker. He is definitely playing with some passion, but we'll need a superstar at MLB soon enough.

I dont think the question is will he be a starter ( just a matter of time)... the real question is at what positon will he be playing. DJ is not going anywhere. So is it MLB or Strong Side ?? Position of need is MLB but ... the dreaded question... is he big enough?

FireFly
09-25-2008, 01:42 AM
The article just upset me. I wish Larsen was at MLB. I think Hillis can be the man for years at FB. At least give Larsen a legitimate shot at MLB. Even on the 3rd team at least he'd be getting practice reps.

FireFly
09-25-2008, 01:44 AM
Also as much as I like what Shanny is saying, I think we should take it with a grain of salt. There's every chance that he's just trying to give so of the kids some confidence and added motivation.

Vladimir
09-25-2008, 02:01 AM
I would love to see one of our young linebackers starting in the middle. I am NOT a huge fan of Nate Webster.

If we switch to a 3-4 or 4-4 or whatever we would get to see what they're made of I hope. I am excited to see what they can do.

Drek
09-25-2008, 05:20 AM
Interesting. Maybe Shanny will switch him to MLB when he gains more weight as I have been clamoring for publicly, as he has no future at WLB. Given these comments and the fact that both OLBs have long term deals, it seems that we may not address MLB early in the draft.


Boss's contract is 5 years, $17.5M with only a $4.3M guarantee.

I don't think he's cemented into his starting job by any means.

TheReverend
09-25-2008, 05:31 AM
This is good. WWIII gets a chance to continue developing at his pace, and he's going to get a greater opportunity to crack the line-up with our current defensive woes working in his favor.

Let's hope for diamond in the rough. If SOMEONE can step in play the mike at a pro-bowl level here, this team is going to be unstoppable for quite sometime.

lex
09-25-2008, 06:50 AM
I dont think the question is will he be a starter ( just a matter of time)... the real question is at what positon will he be playing. DJ is not going anywhere. So is it MLB or Strong Side ?? Position of need is MLB but ... the dreaded question... is he big enough?

Id like to see Larsen get a shot at Mike. I have a feeling he will follow the play inside out unlike what you often see with Webster.

Sometimes I wonder if Shanahan is a little to dedicated to insisting that players, in particular young players, practice well. Some guys are just better when its live bullets and in some cases getting that chance leads to more reps which leads to better practice time. I dont know.


BTW, does anyone think of using the 3-4 is either a way to get the younger LB(s) on the field OR a way to minimize the playing time of Robertson...or both. Thats not to say that those are the primary reason but something that might make it more appealing.

TheReverend
09-25-2008, 06:55 AM
Id like to see Larsen get a shot at Mike. I have a feeling he will follow the play inside out unlike what you often see with Webster.

Sometimes I wonder if Shanahan is a little to dedicated to insisting that players, in particular young players, practice well. Some guys are just better when its live bullets and in some cases getting that chance leads to more reps which leads to better practice time. I dont know.


BTW, does anyone think of using the 3-4 is either a way to get the younger LB(s) on the field OR a way to minimize the playing time of Robertson...or both. Thats not to say that those are the primary reason but something that might make it more appealing.

No, it's a way to have opposing QBs line-up, make their pre-snap reads and say "...wtf...?"

lex
09-25-2008, 06:57 AM
No, it's a way to have opposing QBs line-up, make their pre-snap reads and say "...wtf...?"
If you read the entire post, the last sentence acknowledged that the items you highlighted were not the primary reason. WTF? Reading is fundamental, dude.

watermock
09-25-2008, 07:04 AM
Robertson is limited by his knee.

If what I saw Sunday was our version of the 3/4, we are ****-ed. I saw 8 guys deep, 4 who were completely lost.

TheReverend
09-25-2008, 07:11 AM
If you read the entire post, the last sentence acknowledged that the items you highlighted were not the primary reason. WTF? Reading is fundamental, dude.

Likewise. And to think I just told someone that it was safe to take you off ignore. I was wrong. Gotta go apologize.

lex
09-25-2008, 08:30 AM
Likewise. And to think I just told someone that it was safe to take you off ignore. I was wrong. Gotta go apologize.


I would like to invite you to put me on ignore as well. It would spare me the clean up.

TheReverend
09-25-2008, 08:35 AM
I would like to invite you to put me on ignore as well. It would spare me the clean up.

Right. Let me re-cap because you're slow.

You asked a question.

I answered YOUR QUESTION without any shred of condescention.

You freak out.

Needless to say, others were right and I was wrong. I gladly accept your invitation. :notworthy

Smiling Assassin27
09-25-2008, 08:42 AM
The truth already mentioned is what shanny did not say. He didn't say that woodyard would start at ANY LB position. Mr. Woodshed, meet your new position--safety.

Beantown Bronco
09-25-2008, 08:44 AM
The truth already mentioned is what shanny did not say. He didn't say that woodyard would start at ANY LB position. Mr. Woodshed, meet your new position--safety.

Huh? His quote in the article explicitly stated linebacker.

Smiling Assassin27
09-25-2008, 08:45 AM
Huh? His quote in the article explicitly stated linebacker.


*issues retraction and signs up for remedial reading comprehension class*

thanks BB^5

TheReverend
09-25-2008, 08:47 AM
*issues retraction and signs up for remedial reading comprehension class*

thanks BB^5

That's what he's here for.

BB is an outstanding clean-up hitter, and the go-to guy for obscurely situational appropriate funny movie quotes.

Really... he's the free safety of the orangemane.

Beantown Bronco
09-25-2008, 08:52 AM
Rev:

Just when I thought you couldn't possibly get any dumber, you go and do something like this........and totally redeem yourself!

socalorado
09-25-2008, 08:54 AM
That's what he's here for.

BB is an outstanding clean-up hitter, and the go-to guy for obscurely situational appropriate funny movie quotes.

Really... he's the free safety of the orangemane.

Dammit! So i'm back to the "bench cheerleader" again................
Friggen beantown.............

TheReverend
09-25-2008, 08:56 AM
My point stands.

:lombardi:

Beantown Bronco
09-25-2008, 08:56 AM
Dammit! So i'm back to the "bench cheerleader" again................
Friggen beantown.............

Don't worry. It's only a matter of time before I throw my shoulder out (most likely from tossing my remote against the wall the next time the Bronco defense takes the field) and you're back in there.

worm
09-25-2008, 09:00 AM
Boss's contract is 5 years, $17.5M with only a $4.3M guarantee.

I don't think he's cemented into his starting job by any means.

Speaking of Boss. Not that it matters for anything, I was just curious...

Boss and Champ both seem to have just 'Bailey' on the back of their jersey. Was wondering why they didn't have to have a first name initial.

Anybody know?

Beantown Bronco
09-25-2008, 09:02 AM
Speaking of Boss. Not that it matters for anything, I was just curious...

Boss and Champ both seem to have just 'Bailey' on the back of their jersey. Was wondering why they didn't have to have a first name initial.

Anybody know?

It's up to the team (and most likely the individual players) to decide how they want to handle it. One of the few things the league does not take a hard stance on.

The Pats handled it the same way last year with Tom Brady and Kyle Brady. No initials.

socalorado
09-25-2008, 09:07 AM
Don't worry. It's only a matter of time before I throw my shoulder out (most likely from tossing my remote against the wall the next time the Bronco defense takes the field) and you're back in there.

I have not thrown a remote since the AFCCG against PIT. *sighs*
I have a good streak goin.
But these back and forth affairs are gonna kill me!

worm
09-25-2008, 09:11 AM
It's up to the team (and most likely the individual players) to decide how they want to handle it. One of the few things the league does not take a hard stance on.

The Pats handled it the same way last year with Tom Brady and Kyle Brady. No initials.

Thanks BB. Thought the NFL mandated this....(they have rules for sock length for cryin' out loud!)

montrose
09-25-2008, 09:51 AM
Shanny also said this offseason he thinks Ramsey is a starting-caliber QB in the NFL, so...

55CrushEm
09-25-2008, 09:59 AM
Speaking of Boss. Not that it matters for anything, I was just curious...

Boss and Champ both seem to have just 'Bailey' on the back of their jersey. Was wondering why they didn't have to have a first name initial.

Anybody know?

Just one more of our feeble attempts to confuse opposing offenses. :wiggle:

BroncoMan4ever
09-25-2008, 12:47 PM
I dont think the question is will he be a starter ( just a matter of time)... the real question is at what positon will he be playing. DJ is not going anywhere. So is it MLB or Strong Side ?? Position of need is MLB but ... the dreaded question... is he big enough?

I don't think that a team necessarily needs a 6'2" 250LB MLB to be productive. Zach Thomas for year was one of the best and was undersized at I think almost exactly Woodyard's size. The main thing with Woodyard, is can he take the appropriate angles to the ball and not over pursue? Can he consistantly wrap up the ball carrier and bring him down? Will he have the ability to put 250+pound TE's on their asses, or get past a FB?

I think if he can add about 10LBS of muscle he could definitely be a badass for us at MLB, and even if he doesn't add more muscle he would be an upgrade over Webster, based just on tackling ability and speed.

nickademus
09-25-2008, 03:44 PM
hell NIKO would be an upgrade over webster I get so pist watching that fool over persue and play out of possition. Give me a MLB who can handle his damn assignments and be consistant. Dont cost us the game as Webster attempted in both the SD and NO games, but you dont have to be Ray Freaking Lewis either.

then next year Draft Ray ray out of USC and all will be well.

Drek
09-25-2008, 04:49 PM
I don't think that a team necessarily needs a 6'2" 250LB MLB to be productive. Zach Thomas for year was one of the best and was undersized at I think almost exactly Woodyard's size. The main thing with Woodyard, is can he take the appropriate angles to the ball and not over pursue? Can he consistantly wrap up the ball carrier and bring him down? Will he have the ability to put 250+pound TE's on their asses, or get past a FB?

I think if he can add about 10LBS of muscle he could definitely be a badass for us at MLB, and even if he doesn't add more muscle he would be an upgrade over Webster, based just on tackling ability and speed.

I'm less worried about Woodyard's size than I am his strength and the best use of his talents.

Zach Thomas might be small and lets be honest, he's slow as ****. But he's a powder keg when he's hitting the gap. In his prime he'd read the hole at about the same pace as the opposing RB and most of the time hit the gap a hell of a lot harder.

That is a rare ability and it isn't something I've ever seen Woodyard show.

What he has shown however is excellent range, open field tackling ability, and some good cover skills for a linebacker. To me that screams outside LB. You could even argue that his natural positional fit because of these gifts is at SLB. On the strong side he'd be an excellent cover option on increasingly receiving oriented TEs. At the same time this trend will make TEs less of an impediment than the traditional TE would be for SLBs of old on running downs.

Seems like a very good fit to me and I'd be surprised if he doesn't get a shot at significant time there due to a Boss Bailey injury within the next two or three years.

Rock Chalk
09-25-2008, 05:26 PM
I have not thrown a remote since the AFCCG against PIT. *sighs*
I have a good streak goin.
But these back and forth affairs are gonna kill me!

What? You didnt throw the remote at the joke of a team we fielded last year/

The 41-3 blowout by Detroit or whatever it was?

The TWO ass kickings San Diego gave us?

I threw my remote more than enough for both of us last year.

Bob's your Information Minister
09-25-2008, 05:54 PM
I wouldn't listen to a damn thing Mike Shanahan has to say about defense.

CasinoRoyal
09-25-2008, 06:54 PM
Hell see time in certain packages on defense but i dont see him starting anytime soon.

Boss Bailey made some nice plays last game.

CasinoRoyal
09-25-2008, 06:54 PM
And so did NATE we just need to communicate with each other alot more

mhgaffney
09-25-2008, 08:39 PM
One more good draft will put Denver in the SB.

BroncoMan4ever
09-25-2008, 09:07 PM
I'm less worried about Woodyard's size than I am his strength and the best use of his talents.

Zach Thomas might be small and lets be honest, he's slow as ****. But he's a powder keg when he's hitting the gap. In his prime he'd read the hole at about the same pace as the opposing RB and most of the time hit the gap a hell of a lot harder.

That is a rare ability and it isn't something I've ever seen Woodyard show.

What he has shown however is excellent range, open field tackling ability, and some good cover skills for a linebacker. To me that screams outside LB. You could even argue that his natural positional fit because of these gifts is at SLB. On the strong side he'd be an excellent cover option on increasingly receiving oriented TEs. At the same time this trend will make TEs less of an impediment than the traditional TE would be for SLBs of old on running downs.

Seems like a very good fit to me and I'd be surprised if he doesn't get a shot at significant time there due to a Boss Bailey injury within the next two or three years.

those attributes right there make me think we should get him on the field as a Safety and play him like we used to play Lynch. Bring him down into the box to act as a 4th LB, but unlike Lynch he could also handle coverage and provide over the top assistance to Champ and Bly with his speed.

I think about it this way. His speed could be used to match up on TE's and on dump offs to RB's leaving our other LB's to help in rushing the passer more often. Also, he would NOT be any worse than who is currently on the field.

ward63
09-25-2008, 09:34 PM
I'm less worried about Woodyard's size than I am his strength and the best use of his talents.

Zach Thomas might be small and lets be honest, he's slow as ****. But he's a powder keg when he's hitting the gap. In his prime he'd read the hole at about the same pace as the opposing RB and most of the time hit the gap a hell of a lot harder.

That is a rare ability and it isn't something I've ever seen Woodyard show.

What he has shown however is excellent range, open field tackling ability, and some good cover skills for a linebacker. To me that screams outside LB. You could even argue that his natural positional fit because of these gifts is at SLB. On the strong side he'd be an excellent cover option on increasingly receiving oriented TEs. At the same time this trend will make TEs less of an impediment than the traditional TE would be for SLBs of old on running downs.

Seems like a very good fit to me and I'd be surprised if he doesn't get a shot at significant time there due to a Boss Bailey injury within the next two or three years.

Zach may be slow, but he watches a ton of film and is probably the smarted LB in the league

Rock Chalk
09-25-2008, 09:37 PM
Zach may be slow, but he watches a ton of film and is probably the smarted LB in the league

Yeah because thats the only way his ass would still be playng with his physical limitations.

MLB is WAY more about smarts than athletic ability. Though if you have someone that has both thats freakin awesome.

Natedogg
12-07-2012, 02:44 PM
Bump. This is the second oldest thread mentioning him on the mane (somewhat surprisingly).

socalorado
12-07-2012, 03:43 PM
Bump. This is the second oldest thread mentioning him on the mane (somewhat surprisingly).

The best posts on this thread are of that nutjob Lex putting the Rev on ignore. Whatever happened to that loon?
Somewhere i had an argument that had at least 50 pages between me and him over who the better FS was, Eric Weddle(me) or Reggie Nelson(lex)
Man, that guy was a knucklehead.

gunns
12-07-2012, 07:05 PM
Interesting to read from the past. Scary stuff when Bob has the truest post on the thread. MhGaff almost got it but forgot to put "one more good draft by Elway".

DENVERDUI55
12-07-2012, 07:10 PM
Well Shanny thought John Engelberger was a starter too.

baja
12-07-2012, 07:18 PM
Shanahan: Broncos' youth is served
By Mike Chambers
The Denver Post
Article Last Updated: 09/24/2008 01:29:09 PM MDT


Broncos coach Mike Shanahan was riled against the Saints. (AP | Bill Ross)Two relatively young teams will meet Sunday at Kansas City's Arrowhead Stadium. Broncos coach Mike Shanahan said the difference between his 3-0 team and the 0-3 Chiefs could be the play of his youngsters.

"I'm not exactly sure the way (Kansas City) went about it," Shanahan said of the Chiefs' youth movement. "I just know we've been very fortunate to see our young players and step up and play at the level they've played, and hopefully they can keep it up."

Shanahan pointed to rookie tackle Ryan Clady second-year tackle Ryan Harris as players that have solidified the offensive line, and rookie fullbacks Peyton Hillis and Spencer Larsen, plus rookie cornerback Jack Williams and rookie linebacker Wesley Woodyard, as difference makers on special teams and solid backups with long careers in front of them.

Shanahan also noted rookie receiver Eddie Royal, a no-brainer. Royal is a starter who is second on the team with 18 catches, and a star in the making.

"You look at Ryan Clady, he's playing like a vet, and Ryan Harris, even though he's a second-year player, he had back surgery last year and has come back played the way he has," Shanahan. "And a guy like Eddie Royal, who is playing good on offense and special teams.

"Peyton Hillis and Spencer Larson, both at the fullback position and a couple guys that have played extremely on special teams. And you get a guy like Jack Williams that comes in and proves he can play in the preseason, not only at the corner position but also on special teams.

"Wesley Woodyard comes in and is probably one of our top special teams players that we have and will eventually be a starter at linebacker."

Shanahan wasn't done. He also spoke highly of rookie punter Brett Kern and rookie tackle Tyler Polumbus. "A couple free agents that we had at draftable grades and were able to get them as free agents," Shanahan said.

The bottom line, Shanahan said, is that "we feel very good that these guys are not only part of your 53 (man roster) but part of your 45 that dress on game day."

Mike Chambers: 303-954-1357 or mchambers@denverpost.com


Interesting. Maybe Shanny will switch him to MLB when he gains more weight as I have been clamoring for publicly, as he has no future at WLB. Given these comments and the fact that both OLBs have long term deals, it seems that we may not address MLB early in the draft.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_10547611

You cut short the quote;

"Shanahan wasn't done. He also spoke highly of rookie punter Brett Kern and rookie tackle Tyler Polumbus. "A couple free agents that we had at draftable grades and were able to get them as free agents," Shanahan said. "

They should be pro bowl players after a season or two of my coaching.

gunns
12-07-2012, 07:21 PM
And whatever happened to worm? He disappeared last year. Was in our fantasy league and never set his lineup. Really hope everything is ok with him.

Old Dude
12-07-2012, 10:08 PM
Actually, I think Polumbus is starting these days for the Redskins. Who coaches them?

Kaylore
12-07-2012, 11:20 PM
lol CasinoRoyal was such a tool.

CEH
12-08-2012, 02:02 AM
You cut short the quote;

"Shanahan wasn't done. He also spoke highly of rookie punter Brett Kern and rookie tackle Tyler Polumbus. "A couple free agents that we had at draftable grades and were able to get them as free agents," Shanahan said. "

They should be pro bowl players after a season or two of my coaching.

You talk about a guy not being experienced I believe in the guys, Shanahan told reporters on Friday, per the Associated Press. I believe in em. And Ive been doing this for a long time. And I put my reputation on these guys that they can play. - Mike Shannahan on Beck and Grossman

or maybe he should have said opps meant to say "I need to sell the farm and draft a player who can save my ass"

Taco John
12-08-2012, 02:25 AM
I would have liked to have known if Shanny would have drafted Knowshon. Personally, I think he would have. But if a person wonders that far, they have to also wonder things might be different if he were coached by the greatest running back coach in the history of the game. Hard for me to believe that Bobby Turner wouldn't have made a difference in that young man's life.

But all that said, funny how life takes its twists and turns. I love the situation that we're in now. Too bad we couldn't hold on to Bobby T. through it all.

Taco John
12-08-2012, 02:26 AM
I would have liked to have known if Shanny would have drafted Knowshon. Personally, I think he would have. But if a person wonders that far, they have to also wonder things might be different if he were coached by the greatest running back coach in the history of the game. Hard for me to believe that Bobby Turner wouldn't have made a difference in that young man's life.

But all that said, funny how life takes its twists and turns. I love the situation that we're in now. Too bad we couldn't hold on to Bobby T. through it all.

Hamrob
12-08-2012, 10:01 PM
Shanny would not have drafted Moreno in the 1st round. Not his M.O.

g6matty
12-08-2012, 10:11 PM
What happened to boss bailey lol

R8R H8R
12-09-2012, 01:00 AM
I would have liked to have known if Shanny would have drafted Knowshon. Personally, I think he would have. But if a person wonders that far, they have to also wonder things might be different if he were coached by the greatest running back coach in the history of the game. Hard for me to believe that Bobby Turner wouldn't have made a difference in that young man's life.

But all that said, funny how life takes its twists and turns. I love the situation that we're in now. Too bad we couldn't hold on to Bobby T. through it all.

Bobby T did coach Knowshon in 2009. You forgot that Turner stayed with McD for a year, then saw the light in 2010 and bolted to the Skins.

lonestar
12-09-2012, 02:35 AM
Bobby T did coach Knowshon in 2009. You forgot that Turner stayed with McD for a year, then saw the light in 2010 and bolted to the Skins.

I heard that moreno was Bobby Ts first pick as a RB, so had mikey still been here IF they were going to take one it would have been him. IMO
He did not bolt to WAS as much as He was under contract. Mikey was unemployed he offered him a RB coach spot when he took over in WAS and josh refused to let him go in a lateral move. So mikey made him Assistant HC.

http://www.wboc.com/Global/story.asp?S=11822864

Requiem
12-09-2012, 10:12 AM
Perhaps Mike would have, but we will never know. Considering he can turn late round picks into gems, I don't see why he would bother. Look at Alfred Morris this year. Is going to be near 1,400 yards or so when it is all said and done and he was a sixth rounder.

baja
12-09-2012, 10:25 AM
Perhaps Mike would have, but we will never know. Considering he can turn late round picks into gems, I don't see why he would bother. Look at Alfred Morris this year. Is going to be near 1,400 yards or so when it is all said and done and he was a sixth rounder.

How much of that is Turner?

lonestar
12-09-2012, 11:05 AM
How much of that is Turner?

Myself from what I have seen it is mostly rg3, the threat he provides does not allow teams to focus on Morris.

Just as last year our running game went crazy because of Tebows threat.

Mikey probably learned something from that.



















Oh I forgot he is mikey the mastermind so forget the Tebow remark.

Requiem
12-09-2012, 11:27 AM
How much of that is Turner?

At the end of the day, it was Shanahan's call to go out and get Morris.

baja
12-09-2012, 12:34 PM
At the end of the day, it was Shanahan's call to go out and get Morris.

You don't think Turner has card blanc to call it on a RB.

It was Turner that said he could make it work with Clarett.