Start Jack Williams over Paymah!

[Punisher]

I'm sick of Paymah getting his ass spanked every week start Jack and trade Paymah for a 6 round pick or Washer Machine doesn't matter to me.

[Hotrod]

This week we could start a washing machine and it would prolly hold up just fine.

[BroncoBen]

Jack Williams couldn't do any worst than Paymah... even if Williams did worst.. on the plus side he would be getting some reps.

[montrose]

I think the coaches really like Bly in the slot right now and that's why Paymah is still playing. As bad as Paymah as been, Bly is playing as well as any CB in football right now.

[Punisher]

I think the coaches really like Bly in the slot right now and that's why Paymah is still playing. As bad as Paymah as been, Bly is playing as well as any CB in football right now.

Yes i know all this but Paymah sucks balls they should start Jack over him also Start Woodyard over Boss

[Killericon]

Just cut Paymah, and sign Fernando Bryant or Ty Law or Fakhir Brown or something for depth. I'm sick of seeing Paymah out there.

[Punisher]

Just cut Paymah, and sign Fernando Bryant or Ty Law or Fakhir Brown or something for depth. I'm sick of seeing Paymah out there.

I like the Ty Law Idea but i highly doubt the broncos do that but, yes Paymah needs to go!

[Tombstone RJ]

Yep, bring in Williams. The Broncos can afford to start JMFW over Paymah for a game or two, to see how he does.

[Killericon]

I like the Ty Law Idea but i highly doubt the broncos do that but, yes Paymah needs to go!

Law and Bailey on the outside and Bly in the slot... ROFL!

[55CrushEm]

Yep, bring in Williams. The Broncos can afford to start JMFW over Paymah for a game or two, to see how he does.

And the Chiefs game would be the game to do it.....#1 b/c it's a game we're unlikely to lose, even if he DOES play poorly....and #2 b/c it will allow him to build his confidence quickly.

[Punisher]

Law and Bailey on the outside and Bly in the slot... ROFL!

Law,Champ and Bly I like it I like it ALOT!

[Punisher]

And the Chiefs game would be the game to do it.....#1 b/c it's a game we're unlikely to lose, even if he DOES play poorly....and #2 b/c it will allow him to build his confidence quickly.

The same thing i was thinking this will be a prefect time to start Jack over that Bum Paymah

[Peoples Champ]

Jack Williams couldn't do any worst than Paymah... even if Williams did worst.. on the plus side he would be getting some reps.


I agree. Who knows, Jack could be the man. They need to try something.

[Tombstone RJ]

And the Chiefs game would be the game to do it.....#1 b/c it's a game we're unlikely to lose, even if he DOES play poorly....and #2 b/c it will allow him to build his confidence quickly.

Yep. If there is a game to get his feet wet in, this would be it. However, for some reason, I doubt the Broncos see it our way...

[CasinoRoyal]

I'm sick of Paymah getting his ass spanked every week start Jack and trade Paymah for a 6 round pick or Washer Machine doesn't matter to me.

Trade paymah an dhave what 3 corners on the active roster huh>???

LMAO

You people need too get over this hate for Paymah though. Jack Williams makes a couple plays in the pre season vs the back ups and now you all want to throw him in the fire huh?

Then when he fails early you all will be screaming for him to be cut.

[HEAV]

Since when is a nickle-back a starting postion? Now I'm all for JFW getting more playing time, I'd just like to se him and Paymah rotate series at Nickle-back.

Still not sure why Paymah stuck and Foxy got traded.

[Tombstone RJ]

Trade paymah an dhave what 3 corners on the active roster huh>???

LMAO

You people need too get over this hate for Paymah though. Jack Williams makes a couple plays in the pre season vs the back ups and now you all want to throw him in the fire huh?

Then when he fails early you all will be screaming for him to be cut.

I agree, Broncos need as much depth on the defense as possible and getting rid of Paymah does not makes sense. With that being said, I don't see what the Broncos have to lose by starting JMFW over Paymah.

I don't think anyone would throw Williams under the bus if he struggled because he's a rook. However, the only way he'll get better is if he's in the game. Paymah, on the other hand, doesn't seem to be getting any better and he's been given every chance to succeed.

[Punisher]

Trade paymah an dhave what 3 corners on the active roster huh>???

LMAO

You people need too get over this hate for Paymah though. Jack Williams makes a couple plays in the pre season vs the back ups and now you all want to throw him in the fire huh?

Then when he fails early you all will be screaming for him to be cut.

The Fire? Our D sucks balls right now lets see what Jack can do we all know what Paymah can do and thats suck dick all over the place

[Punisher]

I agree, Broncos need as much depth on the defense as possible and getting rid of Paymah does not makes sense. With that being said, I don't see what the Broncos have to lose by starting JMFW over Paymah.

I don't think anyone would throw Williams under the bus if he struggled because he's a rook. However, the only way he'll get better is if he's in the game. Paymah, on the other hand, doesn't seem to be getting any better and he's been given every chance to succeed.

No I want Paymah out The Broncos he sucks trade him and just sign someone else

[CasinoRoyal]

I agree, Broncos need as much depth on the defense as possible and getting rid of Paymah does not makes sense. With that being said, I don't see what the Broncos have to lose by starting JMFW over Paymah.

I don't think anyone would throw Williams under the bus if he struggled because he's a rook. However, the only way he'll get better is if he's in the game. Paymah, on the other hand, doesn't seem to be getting any better and he's been given every chance to succeed.

Jarvis Moss has played in 8 GAMES and hes being trashed, Ryan Harris had played in NO games and was being trashed all off season now everybody slurping him........

Every young player is not going to come in and dominate right away, It could take a year or two or even three at time.

DOnt get spoiled because alot of young players are playing at a high level and think THEY ALL can......It just doesnt work like that........When we draft Paymah he was a PROJECT with nothing but upside.....We have seen him make plays and we have seen him beat........So why give up on him? Dre has gotten beat, Champ has gotten beat.......Should we cut those guys also??? I mean they been around longer than Paymah and still get beat why not cut them>>??

Good lord the kid was very very very raw coming out. Paymah made big plays last year and im sure hell make some this year also. But to si ngle him out as if hes the only guy getting thrown on is just wrong.

[CasinoRoyal]

No I want Paymah out The Broncos he sucks trade him and just sign someone else

So signing a guy off the street who knows nothing about this defense is better option than Paymah huh??

[CasinoRoyal]

The Fire? Our D sucks balls right now lets see what Jack can do we all know what Paymah can do and thats suck dick all over the place

Explain to me how our D sucks so bad........You do realize the two teams who lit us up are top 3 in the NFL in passing yards right?? There two high powered offenses right?? They get paid like our offense to make anybody defense look bad to right???

Like i said when KC puts up 400 yards and 30 points then come talk to me with this complaining shyt

[55CrushEm]

Explain to me how our D sucks so bad........You do realize the two teams who lit us up are top 3 in the NFL in passing yards right??

Explain to you how our D sucks so bad?? Are you kidding?? Have you seen a game yet??

And part of the reason those 2 teams are top in passing yards right now is BECAUSE our pass D sucks so bad !!!!!!!!!

[Punisher]

Explain to me how our D sucks so bad........You do realize the two teams who lit us up are top 3 in the NFL in passing yards right?? There two high powered offenses right?? They get paid like our offense to make anybody defense look bad to right???

Like i said when KC puts up 400 yards and 30 points then come talk to me with this complaining shyt

THE SAINTS HAD Marcus Colston and deuce mcallister out for this game and we still couldn't stop them so what high powered offense are you talking about?Maybe High Powered on us

[montrose]

As poor as Paymah appears to be playing, I think it shows how bad this defense could be without Champ and Dre. If we didn't have those two guys, this could be the worst defense in NFL history in terms of giving up points.

[CasinoRoyal]

Explain to you how our D sucks so bad?? Are you kidding?? Have you seen a game yet??

And part of the reason those 2 teams are top in passing yards right now is BECAUSE our pass D sucks so bad !!!!!!!!!

Not really the Saints offense has been high powered for years with Brees and the Chargers also......I dont think we played them 16 times last year or the year before........

You gotta link for that?? Hilarious! Hilarious!

[Punisher]

So signing a guy off the street who knows nothing about this defense is better option than Paymah huh??

Fl_lck Yea! Paymah sucks!

[Smiling Assassin27]

Paymah=Liability

Someone suggested a washing machine at Nickel Back...Let's not get ridiculous...Is it a Maytag?

[Punisher]

Paymah=Liability

Someone suggested a washing machine at Nickel Back...Let's not get ridiculous...Is it a Maytag?

:rofl:

[CasinoRoyal]

Shyyyyyyyttttttt im not with that, Paymah works for me. Its a reason those guys have been on the street for this long.....

He knows the system hes still y oung and learning. Foxworth however was what he was.....He never had UPSIDE he was just a smart corner but never was able to make plays.....

Paymahs tools gives him a way better shot to be good in 3-4 years (when he was drafted)

[Smiling Assassin27]

Knowing the system is useless if you don't have the tools and talent. A CB with skills can work in any system. Paymah is not working in this system. Ergo, Paymah has no skills. 3 or 4 years is an eternity to wait for a guy with limited skills to not develop.

[Punisher]

Shyyyyyyyttttttt im not with that, Paymah works for me. Its a reason those guys have been on the street for this long.....

He knows the system hes still y oung and learning. Foxworth however was what he was.....He never had UPSIDE he was just a smart corner but never was able to make plays.....

Paymahs tools gives him a way better shot to be good in 3-4 years (when he was drafted)

What? Foxy was a Solid Corner and step up big when Champ was hurt during the 05-06 season. Why not see what Jack can do he maybe better than Foxy or he may suck balls but it doesn't hurt to check this guy out and see what he can do.

[cmhargrove]

Its about time we put some mother **** back in the defense!

Mother****in yes.

Mother****in do it.

Mother****in now!

[CasinoRoyal]

Knowing the system is useless if you don't have the tools and talent. A CB with skills can work in any system. Paymah is not working in this system. Ergo, Paymah has no skills. 3 or 4 years is an eternity to wait for a guy with limited skills to not develop.

Paymah doesnt have skills??? lmao but then again this is still coming from a guy who said Elton Brand signing wasnt a big deal......

Your knowledge on talent is a liability.

If every team gave up on 4th round picks with upside they would never have any depth.........

[Punisher]

Knowing the system is useless if you don't have the tools and talent. A CB with skills can work in any system. Paymah is not working in this system. Ergo, Paymah has no skills. 3 or 4 years is an eternity to wait for a guy with limited skills to not develop.

Very True

[CasinoRoyal]

What? Foxy was a Solid Corner and step up big when Champ was hurt during the 05-06 season. Why not see what Jack can do he maybe better than Foxy or he may suck balls but it doesn't hurt to check this guy out and see what he can do.

Im not against putting Jack in.......Im just saying ive been on broncos fan boards for like 2 years now and i know how you people bitch and moan when a player (young) is ****ing up.....

All im saying is the same people calling for him to jump in there will be the same people calling for his head when he gets roasted like Champ,Dre and Paymah has been getting........But we dont acknowledge those guys getting beat? Just Paymah? tis tis tis

I cant dig it.....

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Ty Law? Sorry, did someone turn back the clock to 2002? If he's still so valuable, why doesnt anyone want him

[Smiling Assassin27]

Paymah doesnt have skills??? lmao but then again this is still coming from a guy who said Elton Brand signing wasnt a big deal......

Your knowledge on talent is a liability.

If every team gave up on 4th round picks with upside they would never have any depth.........


hint: do yourself a favor and put down the cough syrup. paymah has skills? funny, but 'skills' usually point to 'results'. can you please provide us all with any 'results' that paymah can boast or are you still waiting for those to come down the pipe in 3-4 years?

saying things doesn't make them true. i've got 3 games of paymah doing his best imitation of buttered toast, what do you have? other than your pud in your hands, i mean.

the round that a player is drafted doesn't mean squat if they can't play pro football. ask ted gregory.

ETA: you wanna give me a link to that elton brand quote, please?

[CasinoRoyal]

Ty Law? Sorry, did someone turn back the clock to 2002? If he's still so valuable, why doesnt anyone want him

Some people dont seem to get it that 99% of these players without jobs dont have jobs for a reason.......

I think they believe that Broncos have this magic G2 gatorade thats going to bring a guy in off the street and have him play at a high level

[CasinoRoyal]

hint: do yourself a favor and put down the cough syrup. paymah has skills? funny, but 'skills' usually point to 'results'. can you please provide us all with any 'results' that paymah can boast or are you still waiting for those to come down the pipe in 3-4 years?

saying things doesn't make them true. i've got 3 games of paymah doing his best imitation of buttered toast, what do you have? other than your pud in your hands, i mean.

the round that a player is drafted doesn't mean squat if they can't play pro football. ask ted gregory.

Ive got a whole season last year of him making plays........So what are you saying fool??

Paymah played damn good last year and it taking on a bigger role this year.

3 wittle games and cut him huh?

Same idiot who called for Ryan Harris head over at broncosforums.......

[Punisher]

Im not against putting Jack in.......Im just saying ive been on broncos fan boards for like 2 years now and i know how you people b**** and moan when a player (young) is ****ing up.....

All im saying is the same people calling for him to jump in there will be the same people calling for his head when he gets roasted like Champ,Dre and Paymah has been getting........But we dont acknowledge those guys getting beat? Just Paymah? tis tis tis

I cant dig it.....

Ok Champ gets beat once an awhile Paymah gets beat all the time,The man has no skills and hes a stinky dickhole.

[CasinoRoyal]

Once in a while??? so the last two games those 400 passing yards or whatever was majority on Paymah?? I mean thats what were saying here correct? Just wanna be clear on this.......

[Smiling Assassin27]

Ive got a whole season last year of him making plays........So what are you saying fool??

Paymah played damn good last year and it taking on a bigger role this year.

3 wittle games and cut him huh?

Same idiot who called for Ryan Harris head over at broncosforums.......

Dude, you've got the wrong guy. I could care less about Elton Brand (never posted a thing about him) and don't post on broncosforums.

Paymah 'played good' last year? Give me some resluts, not just empty assertions, dude. I recall the kid having a moment or two sandwiched in between lots of penalties, tackles after catches, and allowed TD's. Yes, I am advocating cutting Paymah. The guy does not have skills and is a liability. He's notorious for making up for his lack of coverage skills by committing a penalty--that's his claim to fame as a Broncos. Get rid of him. What makes you think he's the least bit valuable, again? Oh yeah, NOTHING.

[Hotrod]

http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/myl/llog/duty_calls.png

[Hotrod]

Not really the Saints offense has been high powered for years with Brees and the Chargers also......I dont think we played them 16 times last year or the year before........

You gotta link for that?? Hilarious! Hilarious!

Holy crap 1,183 posts in 1 month. I'll give you credit kid your persistant.

[Punisher]

Dude, you've got the wrong guy. I could care less about Elton Brand (never posted a thing about him) and don't post on broncosforums.

Paymah 'played good' last year? Give me some resluts, not just empty assertions, dude. I recall the kid having a moment or two sandwiched in between lots of penalties, tackles after catches, and allowed TD's. Yes, I am advocating cutting Paymah. The guy does not have skills and is a liability. He's notorious for making up for his lack of coverage skills by committing a penalty--that's his claim to fame as a Broncos. Get rid of him. What makes you think he's the least bit valuable, again? Oh yeah, NOTHING.

Rep and Paymah sucks

[oubronco]

Its about time we put some mother **** back in the defense!

Mother****in yes.

Mother****in do it.

Mother****in now!

Mother****er

[Bravo]

Depending on how the game goes, should Denver be up substantually, say in the second halp, I think Williams will be seen.

[Atlas]

Since when is a nickle-back a starting postion? Now I'm all for JFW getting more playing time, I'd just like to se him and Paymah rotate series at Nickle-back.

Still not sure why Paymah stuck and Foxy got traded.

Since Denver is in the nickle about 50% of the time I guess.

[Atlas]

Ty Law? Sorry, did someone turn back the clock to 2002? If he's still so valuable, why doesnt anyone want him

Well, if the Broncos cut Paymah nobody would want him either.

[rmsanger]

Domenic Hixon part Deux

[Cito Pelon]

I think the coaches really like Bly in the slot right now and that's why Paymah is still playing. As bad as Paymah as been, Bly is playing as well as any CB in football right now.

If you say so. He has one pass defensed, 10 tackles and gooseeggs everywhere else. That on a team defending 36 passes per game, 81 pass attempts in the last two games.

[Cito Pelon]

Ive got a whole season last year of him making plays........So what are you saying fool??

Paymah played damn good last year and it taking on a bigger role this year.

3 wittle games and cut him huh?

Same idiot who called for Ryan Harris head over at broncosforums.......

I don't recall Karl making a lot of plays last year. He did play a lot. Hamza did also. What you and others saw in Paymah and Hamza last year as potential good starters, I didn't see. Paymah is not a good NFL player. I'm tempted to endorse JMFW as nickle. Can it be worse? I'm not into panic moves, but giving a kid some work when you know the guy starting ahead of him is not good is fine with me.

Paymah has 1 pass defensed all year, 4 tackles. This on a D that's been expecting the pass and seen the pass a lot. There's a lot of guys on this D that have not performed, not just Paymah. The LB's have 3 passes defensed among them and of course 0 INT's. That on a D that's seen 107 passes in 3 games, 81 in the last two games. Whoo boy, this D needs someone with pass defense skills.

[Los Broncos]

The diet Pepsi machine may do better than Paymah.

[Bladerunner]

Paymah was specifically tagerted by San Diego in the second half and failed to make a play even once. He gave up the 1st down on every opportunity.

The Broncos pulled out a zone scheme most of the day against NO, but in the second half, played a bit of man also. Like he was on queue, Paymah proceeded to get burnt in rapid succession.

I don't know if JMFW is the answer, but I'm willing to see how he does against KC.

[CasinoRoyal]

Well, if the Broncos cut Paymah nobody would want him either.

Just like Hixon...........

[CasinoRoyal]

I don't recall Karl making a lot of plays last year. He did play a lot. Hamza did also. What you and others saw in Paymah and Hamza last year as potential good starters, I didn't see. Paymah is not a good NFL player. I'm tempted to endorse JMFW as nickle. Can it be worse? I'm not into panic moves, but giving a kid some work when you know the guy starting ahead of him is not good is fine with me.

Paymah has 1 pass defensed all year, 4 tackles. This on a D that's been expecting the pass and seen the pass a lot. There's a lot of guys on this D that have not performed, not just Paymah. The LB's have 3 passes defensed among them and of course 0 INT's. That on a D that's seen 107 passes in 3 games, 81 in the last two games. Whoo boy, this D needs someone with pass defense skills.

Would you mind listing Champs pass defenses.......And Bly.........

Then i have to question your memory......Paymah the last 8 games of the season didnt give up a single touchdown when he started seeing majority of his PT.....Why? Because he was in man bump and run....This Zone shyt aint for Paymah so they oughtta leave him in face up man to man......

But like i said when Jack gets roasted like champ bly and paymah has been getting roasted you all will turn on him also......Period,

[azbroncfan]

Med's reports of J. Williams from the preseason said he was confused and all over the place in coverage. That makes sense with as much playing time as he has got.

[DB-Freak]

Call me insane, but I agree Casino about Paymah.

The guy is actually alot better than you ****ers give credit for and the Broncos know it.

He actually does really well on man coverages as I remember mediator pointing it out. The guy just kinda ****s up on the zone.

[Killericon]

Call me insane, but I agree Casino about Paymah.

The guy is actually alot better than you ****ers give credit for and the Broncos know it.

He actually does really well on man coverages as I remember mediator pointing it out. The guy just kinda ****s up on the zone.

What the hell, man?

[DB-Freak]

What the hell, man?

relax... we're all lovers here anyway.

[Tombstone RJ]

Call me insane, but I agree Casino about Paymah.

The guy is actually alot better than you ****ers give credit for and the Broncos know it.

He actually does really well on man coverages as I remember mediator pointing it out. The guy just kinda ****s up on the zone.


Then it's an assigment issue? I dunno about that. The zone schemes can't be that freaking hard to understand, esp. with vets like Bailey and Bly there to hold Paymah's hand and tell him where he needs to be.

Who knows, perhaps there is a communication breakdown between the players and it's simply an adjustment issue.

[SoDak Bronco]

I agree paymah has looked bad. Shanny isn't one to not play the best player..once JMFW gets the scheme, he will be out there..hopefully it is sooner than later.

[Cito Pelon]

Would you mind listing Champs pass defenses.......And Bly.........

Then i have to question your memory......Paymah the last 8 games of the season didnt give up a single touchdown when he started seeing majority of his PT.....Why? Because he was in man bump and run....This Zone shyt aint for Paymah so they oughtta leave him in face up man to man......

But like i said when Jack gets roasted like champ bly and paymah has been getting roasted you all will turn on him also......Period,

I'm not gonna get in a big argument with you where I have to roast any player, I just point out the stats.

[CasinoRoyal]

Then it's an assigment issue? I dunno about that. The zone schemes can't be that freaking hard to understand, esp. with vets like Bailey and Bly there to hold Paymah's hand and tell him where he needs to be.

Who knows, perhaps there is a communication breakdown between the players and it's simply an adjustment issue.

WRONG, There is a such thing as a MAN corner and a ZONE corner....Not all guys can play both.......This is facts......

Itsnot like your John Madden game where they do it all well.......

[cutthemdown]

IMO the coaches watch the players practice and know a lot more then we do about who should start. If Williams was making plays in practice more then Paymah I'm sure he would be starting.

[Tombstone RJ]

WRONG, There is a such thing as a MAN corner and a ZONE corner....Not all guys can play both.......This is facts......

Itsnot like your John Madden game where they do it all well.......

Well alrighty then.

If Paymah can't play zone, the sit his azz on the bench and let Williams get some pt.

If you can't play zone defense, then you can't play half the freaking defensive schemes in the NFL.

[CasinoRoyal]

Put Paymah on a defense who is a in your face man on man bump and run allday long like the Packers and he will definitly get the job done....

Put All Harris and Charles Woodson in a cover two and they wouldnt be shyt.....Or any other type of zones........

Just like some corners can only play one side of the field......

Its not all black and white with these corners.....Some do things well that others dont......I mean this is just facts....Paymah is good when you allow him to get in a WR face and bump and run man on man.

Leave him to cover portions of the field and he looks below average

[CasinoRoyal]

Well alrighty then.

If Paymah can't play zone, the sit his azz on the bench and let Williams get some pt.

If you can't play zone defense, then you can't play half the freaking defensive schemes in the NFL.

Are you kidding me Jack is the same raw prospect who is a man on man bump and run corner...........

And who the hell said if you cant play zone u cant play in the NFL?? Are you implying that majority of the teams in the NFL play Zone?? Thats also not true....

[CasinoRoyal]

I'm not gonna get in a big argument with you where I have to roast any player, I just point out the stats.

Not asking you to debate it......Why dont you pull up champs and Bly's??? to further prove your point.......

[Tombstone RJ]

Are you kidding me Jack is the same raw prospect who is a man on man bump and run corner...........

And who the hell said if you cant play zone u cant play in the NFL?? Are you implying that majority of the teams in the NFL play Zone?? Thats also not true....

Do you even know what zone is?

[azbroncfan]

Do you even know what zone is?
He plays it quite a bit in Madden.

[Bronx33]

Do you even know what zone is?


Careful cassino is a real bronco fan ( he said so) he knows his chit.

[CasinoRoyal]

Do you even know what zone is?

No do you know what zone is is the question.

Dont insult my mind with a silly question like that. Ive played the game for 10 years.

[Tombstone RJ]

No do you know what zone is is the question.

Dont insult my mind with a silly question like that. Ive played the game for 10 years.

Ok, so explane a zone coverage. You don't have to get all technical, just explane the concept. What does zone coverage mean for a cornerback.

[Rock Chalk]

Tombstone is right. Every team uses Zone and over half the NFL uses zone more often than not.

If you cant play zone in the NFL you dont belong on the field.

[Wes Mantooth]

Ok, so explane a zone coverage. You don't have to get all technical, just explane the concept. What does zone coverage mean for a cornerback.

this should be fun.

[Bronx33]

Ever hear of the goggle fast defense!

[Bronx33]

tick tick tick

[cutthemdown]

People also have to understand that corners can be playing off the wr and still be man to man.

Also a cornerback can play up in bump and run and it can still be a zone.

[Bronx33]

And paymah can do neither.

[DB-Freak]

And paymah can do neither.

That's where you're wrong.

[HEAV]

Ya know if there was a decent pass-rush...

[Natedogg]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ View Post
Ok, so explane a zone coverage. You don't have to get all technical, just explane the concept. What does zone coverage mean for a cornerback.

OK so while we're asking idiot questions, can someone please point me to where the Jack Mother ****ing Williams trend actually began?

Dumb question,i know, but i just be included in the fun. :(

[Bronx33]

OK so while we're asking idiot questions, can someone please point me to where the Jack Mother ****ing Williams trend actually began?

Dumb question,i know, but i just be included in the fun. :(


I guess since paymah has failed :~ohyah!:

[yerner]

I don't think Paymah played as bad in the Saints game. It really is too early to tell on him. I have to remind people that Champ Bailey was hit or miss his first 30 games or so. Redskin fans here were all over him. I don't think Paymah has played this role he's currently in long enough to tell. Obviously the coaches think he's up to the challenge eventually and his measurables are still as good as it gets.


'Mother****er' Williams was just a name two dudes came up with after seeing his photo and also from hockey player they cheer for. From one of the Cali teams I think. It just kind of stuck. That's how I thought it started at least.

[CasinoRoyal]

What do you mean explain the concept?

You clearly dont know anything about corners playing man or zone.....Watch a Packers game healthy and you will see how CORNERS play man.......ASS UP in any WR FACE, Our corners line up 5-10 yards off body turned towards the middle of the field zonin all damn day.

That zone shyt is to hide average corners, We got great man corners but dont use it...Slants all day, Wideouts coming off the line full head of speed all damn day vs the Broncos and you wonder why we cant stop nobody passing?? Lmao you dudes are retarded i swear.

Like i said if Slow drops this bullshyt zone everything prevent everything were gonna get gashed all the time.

If you have good corners who can jam and run ( re-routing) the ****ing Wide outs you give your got damn DL more time to get to the QB....You fools didnt notice the damn pressure getting to brees but being just a split second late for a sack?? Dont you idiots think if we were knocking wide outs off there routes would give them that extra split second?

Lol what a bunch of jokes.

[Natedogg]

I guess since paymah has failed :~ohyah!:

No, I mean where (what thread?) he got the nickname?

*embarrassed cower*

[Bronx33]

Ahhhh cassino is back from his zone defense google..

[CasinoRoyal]

Google?? You cant find an googled explanation like that because i didnt even really touch base on zone enough.

I just broke it down as simple as possible for you dicks. Lol

I just gave live in game examples and what playing bump and run man on man allday does for your defense when you got a good DL. Our DL is not as bad as you people are making it out to be on this site seriously.

We let guys play ****ing Arena ball when this full head of speed shooting off the snap.....

Were getting pressure but it means shyt when guys running down the field full speed in between the holes of bullshyt zonin.

Who the hell rushes 3 and zones?? We get gashed rushing 3 men and you see dudes flying down the field lol be serious.

Watch the damn games and count how many times you see our corners in the wide out face wit they azz up jammin the hell out of them pushing them off there routes.

[DHallblows]

Casino is actually right here guys



God help me.....

[cmhargrove]

Casino is actually right here guys



God help me.....

He's right about Paymah or zone coverage?

[DHallblows]

He's right about Paymah or zone coverage?

Oh ROFL! NOT Paymah, about playing closer to the receivers and being in their faces.

[_Oro_]

Hi,

Start MF over Dre Bly.

-God

[Lolad]

What do you mean explain the concept?

You clearly dont know anything about corners playing man or zone.....Watch a Packers game healthy and you will see how CORNERS play man.......ASS UP in any WR FACE, Our corners line up 5-10 yards off body turned towards the middle of the field zonin all damn day.

That zone shyt is to hide average corners, We got great man corners but dont use it...Slants all day, Wideouts coming off the line full head of speed all damn day vs the Broncos and you wonder why we cant stop nobody passing?? Lmao you dudes are retarded i swear.

Like i said if Slow drops this bullshyt zone everything prevent everything were gonna get gashed all the time.

If you have good corners who can jam and run ( re-routing) the ****ing Wide outs you give your got damn DL more time to get to the QB....You fools didnt notice the damn pressure getting to brees but being just a split second late for a sack?? Dont you idiots think if we were knocking wide outs off there routes would give them that extra split second?

Lol what a bunch of jokes.

You have a point when I watched the game over again the pressure was just a little late. I think if we played more of a physical man defense then we would be able to get some more pressure on the QB or at least force the WR into making a tough catch.

Stopping the run was supposed to improve our chances of the Offense getting the ball back. The pass has now taken over and teams are controlling the clock with easy 7-12 yard pickups in a holey zone

[Beantown Bronco]

Oh ROFL! NOT Paymah, about playing closer to the receivers and being in their faces.

No he's not. He just said that the position of the CBs (whether up at the line to jam, or back 5 or so yards) at the snap dictates whether it's zone or man. Obviously it doesn't.

[Old Dude]

Interesting discussion, but Shanny and his staff presumably know who is doing what and how well or poorly out there and why. And unless Paymah has some kind of Shanny blackmail vault stashed away somewhere, it's safe to say that he'd be benched ASAP if the coaches thought they had a better option.

I think it's hard to pin the defensive breakdowns on one guy.

There's very little pass rush. Sometimes, that's because they are only sending three people. (A couple of the bigest plays given up have been in that exact situation.) Sometimes, it's because the D guessed wrong and flooded the wrong side of the field. Sometimes, it's a missed tackle or assignment - - but the culprit varies.

Bottom line as I see it:

The top priority going into the year was to be able to stop or slow down the running game. So far, not too bad. (And a lot of the rushing yardage they did surrender was during junk time in Oakland.)

They have played a couple of pretty decent offenses and were gashed the worst by veteran QBs who had time to make their reads.

They've guessed wrong more often than not.

It hasn't been a complete disaster. They have made a few big plays (goal line stands, third & short stands, forced fumbles, etc.)

It's too bad that Denver can build up 18 point leads, force the other team to virtually abandon the run, and then can't take more advantage of must-pass situations.

If this team had a premier D-Line, those dudes would be drooling at the opportunities.

But we don't so they just have to work with what they have.

Hopefully, the D will develop a little more cohesion as the year goes on. A couple of the younger D-Linemen should improve somewhat. And maybe they can find some blitz schemes that will work better against certain teams.

But this team, this year, goes only as far as the offense can carry it. We aren't going to see many defensive highlights.

[DB-Freak]

Interesting discussion, but Shanny and his staff presumably know who is doing what and how well or poorly out there and why. And unless Paymah has some kind of Shanny blackmail vault stashed away somewhere, it's safe to say that he'd be benched ASAP if the coaches thought they had a better option.

I think it's hard to pin the defensive breakdowns on one guy.

There's very little pass rush. Sometimes, that's because they are only sending three people. (A couple of the bigest plays given up have been in that exact situation.) Sometimes, it's because the D guessed wrong and flooded the wrong side of the field. Sometimes, it's a missed tackle or assignment - - but the culprit varies.

Bottom line as I see it:

The top priority going into the year was to be able to stop or slow down the running game. So far, not too bad. (And a lot of the rushing yardage they did surrender was during junk time in Oakland.)

They have played a couple of pretty decent offenses and were gashed the worst by veteran QBs who had time to make their reads.

They've guessed wrong more often than not.

It hasn't been a complete disaster. They have made a few big plays (goal line stands, third & short stands, forced fumbles, etc.)

It's too bad that Denver can build up 18 point leads, force the other team to virtually abandon the run, and then can't take more advantage of must-pass situations.

If this team had a premier D-Line, those dudes would be drooling at the opportunities.

But we don't so they just have to work with what they have.

Hopefully, the D will develop a little more cohesion as the year goes on. A couple of the younger D-Linemen should improve somewhat. And maybe they can find some blitz schemes that will work better against certain teams.

But this team, this year, goes only as far as the offense can carry it. We aren't going to see many defensive highlights.

Sensible post.

[alkemical]

Interesting discussion, but Shanny and his staff presumably know who is doing what and how well or poorly out there and why. And unless Paymah has some kind of Shanny blackmail vault stashed away somewhere, it's safe to say that he'd be benched ASAP if the coaches thought they had a better option.

I think it's hard to pin the defensive breakdowns on one guy.

There's very little pass rush. Sometimes, that's because they are only sending three people. (A couple of the bigest plays given up have been in that exact situation.) Sometimes, it's because the D guessed wrong and flooded the wrong side of the field. Sometimes, it's a missed tackle or assignment - - but the culprit varies.

Bottom line as I see it:

The top priority going into the year was to be able to stop or slow down the running game. So far, not too bad. (And a lot of the rushing yardage they did surrender was during junk time in Oakland.)

They have played a couple of pretty decent offenses and were gashed the worst by veteran QBs who had time to make their reads.

They've guessed wrong more often than not.

It hasn't been a complete disaster. They have made a few big plays (goal line stands, third & short stands, forced fumbles, etc.)

It's too bad that Denver can build up 18 point leads, force the other team to virtually abandon the run, and then can't take more advantage of must-pass situations.

If this team had a premier D-Line, those dudes would be drooling at the opportunities.

But we don't so they just have to work with what they have.

Hopefully, the D will develop a little more cohesion as the year goes on. A couple of the younger D-Linemen should improve somewhat. And maybe they can find some blitz schemes that will work better against certain teams.

But this team, this year, goes only as far as the offense can carry it. We aren't going to see many defensive highlights.



He found the false bottom in McGriff's locker....

[Flaxamaxer]

Remove Foxworth...check

Remove Abdullah...check

Remove Paymah...404 error - give significant playing time - ohnoes

He's terrible. However I'm not convinced the short-of-stature Williams is ready, either. The Darrent comparisons need to stop. He definitely needs to be out there for more plays, though, so we can at least see what he's got.

I was a big Jeremy LeSeur fan. At least he came out of a legit school. However, his potential was never realized and his NFL career fizzled out. Heard he's playing Arena ball with Philly.. but so is Watts Uhh

Paymah is taking on Foxworth's role of "look like a complete ass so the defense has a scapegoat" nicely, but given what a bust Dre Crockett has been, it'd be nice to a have a legit nickel corner.

Sorry to bump if this had already been beaten to death, but it's one of the few qualms I have with the team right now.

[SoCalBronco]

Remove Foxworth...check

Remove Abdullah...check

Remove Paymah...404 error - give significant playing time - ohnoes

He's terrible. However I'm not convinced the short-of-stature Williams is ready, either. The Darrent comparisons need to stop. He definitely needs to be out there for more plays, though, so we can at least see what he's got.

I was a big Jeremy LeSeur fan. At least he came out of a legit school. However, his potential was never realized and his NFL career fizzled out. Heard he's playing Arena ball with Philly.. but so is Watts Uhh

Paymah is taking on Foxworth's role of "look like a complete ass so the defense has a scapegoat" nicely, but given what a bust Dre Crockett has been, it'd be nice to a have a legit nickel corner.

Sorry to bump if this had already been beaten to death, but it's one of the few qualms I have with the team right now.

Good first post. Welcome to the site.

I especially liked "Dre Crockett".

[Flaxamaxer]

Good first post. Welcome to the site.

I especially liked "Dre Crockett".

Hey, thanks for the welcome. That's one thing I forgot to add.. first post! It can either invite more criticism or deflect some by pity.. a balance of both will do!

They were replaying the '01 U/FSU game on Classic College Football a couple weeks ago. DJ was busting into the end zone as a FB. If our current vulture Pittman gets hurt, we have a replacement!

[MVP-06]

Alright all of you JMFW lovers fess up. I believe every time they threw to his side it was completed.

Let's hear some excuses for him

[Garcia Bronco]

Alright all of you JMFW lovers fess up. I believe every time they threw to his side it was completed.

Let's hear some excuses for him

I don't think you/we see enough of any play to say anything of the sort on a consistent basis.

[2KBack]

Alright all of you JMFW lovers fess up. I believe every time they threw to his side it was completed.

Let's hear some excuses for him

He's a rookie and didn't play any worse than Playmah. I'd say that's a good sign.

[MVP-06]

He's a rookie and didn't play any worse than Playmah. I'd say that's a good sign.

kinda hard not too. Just saying everyone wanted him in there and he gave up just as many 3rd down conversions as the other nickel.

On a side note I thought Bly played pretty well

[oubronco]

Give a QB 10 seconds to throw the ball and everybody's gonna get burned even Champ

[2KBack]

Give a QB 10 seconds to throw the ball and everybody's gonna get burned even Champ

the myth of the Broncos defense, Huard didn't have a lot of time to throw. they lined Bowe up against someone other than Champ, then tossed a jump ball. A conversion everytime, and too quick for even a considerable pass rush to get there.

[Tombstone RJ]

Alright all of you JMFW lovers fess up. I believe every time they threw to his side it was completed.

Let's hear some excuses for him

He's a rookie and he can't get better unless he plays.

[azbroncfan]

Once again Meds preseason report was spot on. J. Williams looked lost out there and couldn't stop the out pattern over and over. Poor coaching and a lost CB in coverage is not good.

[rugbythug]

Once again Meds preseason report was spot on. J. Williams looked lost out there and couldn't stop the out pattern over and over. Poor coaching and a lost CB in coverage is not good.

Crazy that 5-8 JMFW couldn't stop Tiny Dwayne Bowe. Dude is a Rookie who was in good position. Played better than Paymah for sure.

[snowtrx]

Its a joke that we played a team with only one reciever and consistantly matched up a rookie or Bly against him on obviouse passing situations. To me, Champ is playing out of position most of the time. Its his fault too! Either with his insitance that he only play LCB or with his inability to step up to the coaching staff and convince them to give him a shot at shutting down other teams primary weapon.

[Mountain Bronco]

^^^ why don't they just simply match up Bailey with the number one reciever? Did any other WR other than Bowe actually make a play?

[snowtrx]

^^^ why don't they just simply match up Bailey with the number one reciever? Did any other WR other than Bowe actually make a play?

Either bad coaching or Champs' stance that he is best playing only LCB.


This is a scheme the coaches and Champ have been selling for 3+ years now, "Shut down 1/3rd of the field and focus the D on the rest", but its time to stop defending it. At first this scheme showed some success, but the pass rush is much weaker now and teams have figured out how to easily game plan away from Champ. They also learned that Champ is the GOAT when defending a confined space (red-zone), now they dont even attempt it. Its time to end the stubborness and force the GOAT on their primary weapons in obviouse passing situations and red-zone.

[Doggcow]

We started JMFW and lost to the Chiefs. I think theres been a reason Paymah is ahead of him.

[rugbythug]

We started JMFW and lost to the Chiefs. I think theres been a reason Paymah is ahead of him.

This is True-Word on the Street says Steve Atwater is available then we can win Super Bowls instead of just games.

[_Oro_]

MF should be getting extensive time at the slot today. I'm calling it right now... pick six ( at least 1)

[DeusExManning]

Williams was good at the end of preseason, he is not particularly fast or big and is good in the nickel, he is mediocre at best. Paymah has a little more experience.

[(Jae)]

As bad as Paymah as been, Bly is playing as well as any CB in football right now.
What? I know it's from 9/26, but........ What?

[DHallblows]

What? I know it's from 9/26, but........ What?

Hilarious! I know, right?

[thumpc]

So how good was Paymah today? I didn't see the whole game, but that int was sweet.