Broncos Offense to good?

[FantomForce]

I have been losing sleep over why our defense is so bad. So I was sitting there thinking about the game and I came up with a question, Is our offense just to good? Think about it we Jay and B-marsh are out there it is pass for 20 yds, pass for 15 yds, pass for 8 yds, pass for 20 TOUCHDOWN! Then our D is out there for the rest of the quarter after having been on the sideline for 3 minutes. Maybe we need more of clock management, not slow the game down all together, but at least to give our D a chance and keep the other offense off the field. I mean Bush couldn't have scored those TDs on the sideline. Anyway just a thought what do you guys think?

[loborugger]

I thought so, too. However, if you look at the Time of possession stats for all three games, they are pretty even. It would be nice if our O could possess the ball for 40 minutes a game every game to protect our D but I dont think that is realistic.

[fontaine]

I have been losing sleep over why our defense is so bad. So I was sitting there thinking about the game and I came up with a question, Is our offense just to good? Think about it we Jay and B-marsh are out there it is pass for 20 yds, pass for 15 yds, pass for 8 yds, pass for 20 TOUCHDOWN! Then our D is out there for the rest of the quarter after having been on the sideline for 3 minutes. Maybe we need more of clock management, not slow the game down all together, but at least to give our D a chance and keep the other offense off the field. I mean Bush couldn't have scored those TDs on the sideline. Anyway just a thought what do you guys think?

I think you need more sleep!
;D

[Kaylore]

ROFL! It only took us until week four to blame the offense.

[55CrushEm]

ROFL! It only took us until week four to blame the offense.

I found this funny, too. I guess Jay need to gear it down a bit (like Randy Moss)....and go back to listening to his I-Pod....:thumbs:

[Flex Gunmetal]

ROFL! It only took us until week four to blame the offense.

+1
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[SonOfLe-loLang]

I have been losing sleep over why our defense is so bad. So I was sitting there thinking about the game and I came up with a question, Is our offense just to good? Think about it we Jay and B-marsh are out there it is pass for 20 yds, pass for 15 yds, pass for 8 yds, pass for 20 TOUCHDOWN! Then our D is out there for the rest of the quarter after having been on the sideline for 3 minutes. Maybe we need more of clock management, not slow the game down all together, but at least to give our D a chance and keep the other offense off the field. I mean Bush couldn't have scored those TDs on the sideline. Anyway just a thought what do you guys think?

Start watching porn before bed.

[bronco militia]

Start watching porn before bed.

sound advice

:giggle:

[Hotrod]

I could not agree more. We are scoring way to early and often.

[alkemical]

I could not agree more. We are scoring way to early and often.

would you stop with this goddamn reverse psychology ****! ROFL!

[jmz313]

I'd rather blame the Defense for the Defense not being good.

[Willynowei]

It does have something to do with it. The way they usually figure it is how many points the opponent scores per possesion, not just the TOP.

Their offense had over 10 possesions and scored 5 times for 30 points. I think they were the best redzone offense in the NFL comming into the game, but had we kept them to more field goals as we did San Diego, and not given the ball up inside our 30 (the INT) they likely would've ended up scoring roughly 24 points.

Now if you say using a running offense we reduced total possesion in the game for NO to 7 or 8 instead of 11 or 12, then they likely would've scored 17 points. Still would've had roughly 350 yards of total offense though.

[Peoples Champ]

I would say run the ball more in the red zone and near the goal line. And Run slighty more on first down. Thats about it.

I could be wrong though, I would always go with whats working. If it aint broke dont fix it

[Kid A]

I would say run the ball more in the red zone and near the goal line.


I've got Cutler in fantasy, so no.

[CasinoRoyal]

Of course the offense scores too fast, Thats why we will be dead last in pass defense for a while untill they start getting consistant pressure

[cmhargrove]

Yes, by all means - START RAMSEY NOW!

[BroncosinDC]

I think Shanny saw what the Kharma gods did to the Patriots for running up the score so much he gears the O down in the second half. We get an early lead, pass the hell out of the ball then try to burn up the clock. Problem is we are not scoring as much in the second half, but our D is giving up points in the second half. Hell if we build an early lead and then start trading touchdowns we already have the lead, so who cares? We need to not slow the O down and try to use the clock.

If an offense realizes that as soon as they score they are going to get 3 minutes on the bench and then be back out there in the same situation they were last series but they have to grind it out and score again to still be down by 14 because of the early Denver lead (and I'm going to go ahead and call it a JMFW pick 6 added to it) they will be tired and hopefullly down by enough that they need some big plays but mentally they see each score as pointless they will make mistakes that hopefully someone on the D will pick up on and end drives.

Having to come from behind with an O still scoring would be the ideal situation for our opponents. It will make them make mistakes. Mistakes are the best chance of our D stopping someone (ie, if we can get them to stop themselves).

Or **** it can we just trade for the Ravens D?

[broncofan2438]

Yea, its so frusterating to watch us put up all these points and then see the other team come climbing back. I just dont get how we can get shut down in the second half by the same team that we put 21 on

[Cito Pelon]

I have been losing sleep over why our defense is so bad. So I was sitting there thinking about the game and I came up with a question, Is our offense just to good? Think about it we Jay and B-marsh are out there it is pass for 20 yds, pass for 15 yds, pass for 8 yds, pass for 20 TOUCHDOWN! Then our D is out there for the rest of the quarter after having been on the sideline for 3 minutes. Maybe we need more of clock management, not slow the game down all together, but at least to give our D a chance and keep the other offense off the field. I mean Bush couldn't have scored those TDs on the sideline. Anyway just a thought what do you guys think?

Sorry, but I think the team would be 1-2.

[cutthemdown]

no such thing as an offense that is too good. The defense just stinks that's the problem. Give this offense even an avg NFL defense and they could contend.

[Cito Pelon]

Denver has been outscored in the 2nd half 48-42, and 31-22 in the 4th quarter. This is a trend that goes back to 1999. Throw out the OAK game and Denver's been outscored 34-18 in the 2nd half and 17-8 in the 4th quarter. Outscored 2 to 1 in the 2nd half and 4th Q by SD and NO. Bad trend.

[broncofan]

I understand the logic but that would just complicate things too much. I don't like the idea of scaling down the offense just to cater to the defense. We need to stay balls-out on both sides of the ball.

Plus, if I'm reading the stats correctly, we're 11th in the league in opposing team's time of posession per game (meaning 11th lowest average per game). That leads me to believe we're getting scored on pretty darn quickly ourselves.

[cutthemdown]

Denver has been outscored in the 2nd half 48-42, and 31-22 in the 4th quarter. This is a trend that goes back to 1999. Throw out the OAK game and Denver's been outscored 34-18 in the 2nd half and 17-8 in the 4th quarter. Outscored 2 to 1 in the 2nd half and 4th Q by SD and NO. Bad trend.

It's mostly the fault of turnovers at the end of games. Broncos since 1999 I would guess have blows at least 14 points already this yr in 4th quarter.

You can't give up easy scores, and you can't blow it once you're in the red zone. Until Broncos fix those things it will stay the same.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Yeah and while we're at slowing down the offense why not put in Ramsey over Cutler to give the ball to Selvin and Andre so the clock is on our side.

I really don't care. If our offense came out every series and ran 1 play and put 6points on the board I would be happy. I am not going to start wanting them to scale back the best part of the team, because the defense is having a hard time tackling, or stopping 3rd and 10 plays.

How is it that we are pretty damn good defending on 1st and 2nd down and suck so bad on 3rd down?

I think on 3rd and long(passing situations) we need to load the line and blitz the **** out of the QB.

[FantomForce]

So what I'm hearing is no let's keep scoring. But others point out we are not scoring enough in the second half.....well we don't have the ball. Wouldn't you rather put up our 38th,39th,40th, points in the fourth quarter than in the second? I think that with a more balanced attack we give our D the breather they need and also allow our offense to score late in the game.

[maher_tyler]

I have been losing sleep over why our defense is so bad. So I was sitting there thinking about the game and I came up with a question, Is our offense just to good? Think about it we Jay and B-marsh are out there it is pass for 20 yds, pass for 15 yds, pass for 8 yds, pass for 20 TOUCHDOWN! Then our D is out there for the rest of the quarter after having been on the sideline for 3 minutes. Maybe we need more of clock management, not slow the game down all together, but at least to give our D a chance and keep the other offense off the field. I mean Bush couldn't have scored those TDs on the sideline. Anyway just a thought what do you guys think?

I agree...after the D ran back the fumble for the TD they were right back out on the field. Our D is on the field a lot so there getting tired. I think we need to try to run the ball a little more often to chew some clock and to keep our D off the field and also to wear down their defense. I think the philosophy is that we throw early to get up on them and then run the ball after but the last 2 weeks after being up big we let them back into the game before half time so that philosophy is out the window and we gotta keep throwing to keep scoring..imo!!

[CasinoRoyal]

Naw **** that score 45 a game and we will be fine.

[alkemical]

lol cue up what is it hodge:

We need a factor back.....

[Rock Chalk]

I just want to the run ball more.

**** Cutler's stats.

Im more interested in keeping that **** defense off the field than getting Cutler stats.

Run the ****ing ball.

[Cito Pelon]

It's mostly the fault of turnovers at the end of games. Broncos since 1999 I would guess have blows at least 14 points already this yr in 4th quarter.

You can't give up easy scores, and you can't blow it once you're in the red zone. Until Broncos fix those things it will stay the same.

True. Cut INT in the endzone, Scheffler fumble at the 5.

[Cito Pelon]

So what I'm hearing is no let's keep scoring. But others point out we are not scoring enough in the second half.....well we don't have the ball. Wouldn't you rather put up our 38th,39th,40th, points in the fourth quarter than in the second? I think that with a more balanced attack we give our D the breather they need and also allow our offense to score late in the game.

I don't think Denver can get many FD's if they go more balanced. And that means the D is back on the field even faster.

[FantomForce]

First off thanx tyler, second, Cito are you saying our O is only good enough to score and not get first downs? I think Cutler could call a play, through the ball to B-Marsh get a first down, then the both of them could get up from their naps!:thumbs:

[nickademus]

anyone else notice the freaking prevent D we were in by the second quarter? there is a real good way to stop an offence. I absolutly hate that D all it does is prevent you from winning thank god for bad refs and crazy kickers.

[DarkHorse30]

ROFL! It only took us until week four to blame the offense.

C'mon, in an election year EVERY problem begins and ends with Bush....or Ed Hochuli 8')

[Cito Pelon]

First off thanx tyler, second, Cito are you saying our O is only good enough to score and not get first downs? I think Cutler could call a play, through the ball to B-Marsh get a first down, then the both of them could get up from their naps!:thumbs:

I'm saying the O won't get as many FD's if they go more balanced. We'll see what happens when Torain is back healthy and Hillis gets some more work in the I. Hillis has hit the wrong hole sometimes, the running game is still a work in progress. Denver has been getting the looks they want for the passing O, hopefully they'll get the looks they want and the youngsters like Hillis and Torain can be worked into the O.

It's been an interesting year so far on O. I think Cutler likes to pass a lot, and he and Bates are being given a lot of latitude by Shanahan. Cutler's play-action game has gone downhill. A few times I've noticed he doesn't sell the playaction too well, he'll just wave the ball at the tailback and pull it back way too soon to sell the playaction. He wants to look downfield too fast sometimes to sell the playaction. Playaction doesn't work as well as it should if the QB pulls the ball back too fast.

It's hard to be critical of the O, but I agree with you somewhat that a more balanced O would be desireable. Can they pull it off and score the same is the question to me. Is it worth the tradeoff right now to get the TOP up some, but score less?

[Bladerunner]

Denver has been outscored in the 2nd half 48-42, and 31-22 in the 4th quarter. This is a trend that goes back to 1999. Throw out the OAK game and Denver's been outscored 34-18 in the 2nd half and 17-8 in the 4th quarter. Outscored 2 to 1 in the 2nd half and 4th Q by SD and NO. Bad trend.

yeah well, two turnovers in goal to go situations will do that to the numbers...the offense moves the ball just as well in the 4th as the 1st half, but missed a few opportunities to get it in the end zone...I will agree that the 3rd qtr has been a little uninspired for the O

[CasinoRoyal]

anyone else notice the freaking prevent D we were in by the second quarter? there is a real good way to stop an offence. I absolutly hate that D all it does is prevent you from winning thank god for bad refs and crazy kickers.

Yeah rushing 3 guys and dropping everybody else in a zone makes me sick too.

The fact that we have 4 man on man bump and run corners and we continue to play zone kills me even more

[FantomForce]

I'm saying the O won't get as many FD's if they go more balanced. We'll see what happens when Torain is back healthy and Hillis gets some more work in the I. Hillis has hit the wrong hole sometimes, the running game is still a work in progress. Denver has been getting the looks they want for the passing O, hopefully they'll get the looks they want and the youngsters like Hillis and Torain can be worked into the O.

It's been an interesting year so far on O. I think Cutler likes to pass a lot, and he and Bates are being given a lot of latitude by Shanahan. Cutler's play-action game has gone downhill. A few times I've noticed he doesn't sell the playaction too well, he'll just wave the ball at the tailback and pull it back way too soon to sell the playaction. He wants to look downfield too fast sometimes to sell the playaction. Playaction doesn't work as well as it should if the QB pulls the ball back too fast.

It's hard to be critical of the O, but I agree with you somewhat that a more balanced O would be desireable. Can they pull it off and score the same is the question to me. Is it worth the tradeoff right now to get the TOP up some, but score less?

Play action only comes from running the ball

[BroncoMan4ever]

look at it this way, in every game this season Denver has left at least 14 points on the field and they have also allowed at least 14 points to occur easily. Watch passes out of the backfield that are allowing at least 2 TD's a game and Denver doesn't need to do anything with the offense, also if Denver capitalizes on most of their opportunites the games will look like the ass kickings they could be.

We don't need to scale back the offense, our D just needs to gel and tackle better and then we are fine. I won't worry about the D until after our bye week. If they still suck then i will worry.

[FantomForce]

look at it this way, in every game this season Denver has left at least 14 points on the field and they have also allowed at least 14 points to occur easily. Watch passes out of the backfield that are allowing at least 2 TD's a game and Denver doesn't need to do anything with the offense, also if Denver capitalizes on most of their opportunites the games will look like the ass kickings they could be.

We don't need to scale back the offense, our D just needs to gel and tackle better and then we are fine. I won't worry about the D until after our bye week. If they still suck then i will worry.

Usually Defenses gel in the first of the season because their job isn't so based on timing. I don't want to scale back the O just make it more refined