Watching NFL Replay Saints vs Broncos - Observations

[theAPAOps5]

The game is on NFL Network right now. I have been watching and damn Cutler was right they left a lot of plays on the field.

-Marshall dropped a sure catch on the 1 yd line.
-Harris whiffed on his block that caused the safety.
-The Defense, well they just whiffed.
-Although DJ Williams was the one who blew up the 4th and goal play right before the half.

-On Pitmans TD in the 3rd Quarter Clady had a nice block to seal the edge and open the lane for Pitman.

Will keep posting notes.

[kmonty]

Kuper missed the block.

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[theAPAOps5]

Kuper missed the block.

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Nope Harris whiffed on his too. Go back and watch. They both blew it. AT least Kuper touched his guy. Harris just whiffed.

[kmonty]

Nope Harris whiffed on his too. Go back and watch. They both blew it. AT least Kuper touched his guy. Harris just whiffed.

I'll have to look later tonight. Catching the later version of the Replay. Yes, the Replay's replay. I suck.

Harris has been incredible up to that point though. I don't want to believe it. I want to look away. ;D

[theAPAOps5]

Eh it happens. I didn't like the call period. Should have just QB sneaked. Harris just got caught off guard. But you are right Kuper whiffed pretty much too. So they DL met at the QB.

[theAPAOps5]

I have the game TIVO'd too so I will watch that later.

[theAPAOps5]

Drew Brees is a damn fine QB. I know our Pass D sucks but he still makes solid decisions and throws.

[Atwater His Ass]

Actually, Webster was the one who blew up the fourth down play. DJ just came in at the end and fell on the guy after Webster already knocked him down.

Cutler had an off game in my opinion. He missed several throws, and at times relys too much on his arm strength to gun balls into places he shouldn't be throwing. He was also slow in checking through his progressions. On the positive side, he still put together a decent game and we were still able to win.

The defense is just horrible across the board pretty much. DJ, Engleberger, Thomas, Webster, and Champ are the only guys I see giving a consistent effort on every play. That's only 5 out of 11 guys and they can't do it alone.

Also running a gimmick defense like we did in the first half is just laughable. We should really be ashamed of what we are putting out there on the field right now.

[theAPAOps5]

No way DJ came in late. If anything he and Webster both blew it up with Webster going low and DJ going hi. But DJ was not late on that play.

[Atwater His Ass]

No way DJ came in late. If anything he and Webster both blew it up with Webster going low and DJ going hi. But DJ was not late on that play.

Yeah he was. Webster had already knocked him down.

[theAPAOps5]

Nope he would have gotten over if DJ hadn't been there to stuff up top.

[Popps]

Actually, Webster was the one who blew up the fourth down play. DJ just came in at the end and fell on the guy after Webster already knocked him down..

Yep.

DJ had a nice game, but for all the Webster bashing we've all done... he deserves credit for making a great stop on that play. I honestly think he's played respectably now that he's back on the inside.

I'm very unimpressed with Boss Bailey thus far, though. I realize having no D-line makes their job difficult, but he's just sort of running around out there chasing stuff. Took a couple of very bad angles on Sunday.

[theAPAOps5]

I am not trying to downplay Webster but DJ was just as crucial on that play.

[Atwater His Ass]

Boss was horrible on that 3rd and 11 when we were up 21-3. He couldn't make the open field tackle on Bush.

[Atwater His Ass]

I am not trying to downplay Webster but DJ was just as crucial on that play.

He really wasn't. The RB was already practicaly on the ground (and not going to make the goal line) from Webster's hit when DJ touched him.

Webster filled the hole and made the play.

[theAPAOps5]

Nope I just watched it again. DJ really was.

[BigPlayShay]

Marcus Thomas had a huge part in the stop as well.

[theAPAOps5]

Boss was horrible on that 3rd and 11 when we were up 21-3. He couldn't make the open field tackle on Bush.

Yeah that was sad.

[rovolution]

Dewayne Robertson made one hell of a hustle block.

Watch the block D-Rob makes on the Webster fumble recovery TD. What a hell of a block for a 300+ pounder.

[Atwater His Ass]

Dewayne Robertson made one hell of a hustle block.

Watch the block D-Rob makes on the Webster fumble recovery TD. What a hell of a block for a 300+ pounder.

I liked watching Champ run down with him trying to block like 3 different guys.

[theAPAOps5]

The play before the fumblerooskie before the controversial Webster, Williams 4th down stop ;D Marcus Thomas did a great job engaging his blocker for the LB to come in and stuff the play.

[TheChamp24]

I still want to know why we didn't just run a QB sneak on like the half yard line there.
But no, we hand it off to someone 5 yards deep in the end zone. Ugh...

[theAPAOps5]

I still want to know why we didn't just run a QB sneak on like the half yard line there.
But no, we hand it off to someone 5 yards deep in the end zone. Ugh...

Yeah it was a bad bad play call.

[Atwater His Ass]

The play before the fumblerooskie before the controversial Webster, Moss 4th down stop ;D Marcus Thomas did a great job engaging his blocker for the LB to come in and stuff the play.

Thomas is a baller. One of the few on the defense that I feel is giving it 100% on every play.

You saying Moss now, not DJ on the 4th?!?!? LOL

(just a joke, I know what you meant)

it was still all webster!

[Atwater His Ass]

I still want to know why we didn't just run a QB sneak on like the half yard line there.
But no, we hand it off to someone 5 yards deep in the end zone. Ugh...

I think that's a hindsight 20/20 thing. Questionable call? Maybe. But I don't think it was unrealistic to expect the right side of our line to hold up. I don't recall a play in any part of the year where 2 of our OL have been so badly destroyed on a single play.

[Atwater His Ass]

The play before the fumblerooskie before the controversial Webster, Williams 4th down stop ;D Marcus Thomas did a great job engaging his blocker for the LB to come in and stuff the play.

I see what you did there.

[theAPAOps5]

Thomas is a baller. One of the few on the defense that I feel is giving it 100% on every play.

You saying Moss now, not DJ on the 4th?!?!? LOL

(just a joke, I know what you meant)

it was still all webster!

HA nice catch thats what I get for posting on different sites! Thomas has really had a quietly nice 3 games on the interior!

DJ was just as crucial on that play!

[Gcver2ver3]

I still want to know why we didn't just run a QB sneak on like the half yard line there.
But no, we hand it off to someone 5 yards deep in the end zone. Ugh...

yea i just could not get my hands around just how stupid that was...

i just don't understand...it was common sense to QB sneak and go to the locker room...

it was the dumbest call i've seen a a long time...

[theAPAOps5]

Atwater has a point. How often has two players on EITHER side of the line been abused like that. Just a bad play in a bad spot.

[Atwater His Ass]

yea i just could not get my hands around just how stupid that was...

i just don't understand...it was common sense to QB sneak and go to the locker room...

it was the dumbest call i've seen a a long time...

It was actually the kind of penetrating defensive smash mouth play I'd love to see our DL make. Maybe they can watch the film on that to get a clue.

To take nothing away from the 2 crucial stops our D ended up making during the game, lets keep in mind that both plays were made by a LB, when in most cases making those short yardage stands, you need a penetrating DL to bust it up.

[Atlas]

Nope Harris whiffed on his too. Go back and watch. They both blew it. AT least Kuper touched his guy. Harris just whiffed.

It doesn't really matter if one"wiffed" or one guy "touched" his. I think they both blew it. HARRIS AND KUPER equally.

Of course Kuper could at least touch his he is playing Guard. Harris has a much tough job out their on the island at OT.

[theAPAOps5]

It doesn't really matter if one"wiffed" or one guy "touched" his. I think they both blew it. HARRIS AND KUPER equally.

I know and a few posts down I elude to that. They both missed their assignments. I was just saying Harris was just as responsible for that play as Kuper.

[rovolution]

To take nothing away from the 2 crucial stops our D ended up making during the game, lets keep in mind that both plays were made by a LB, when in most cases making those short yardage stands, you need a penetrating DL to bust it up.

Dewayne Robertson again!

i think D-Rob was the one who got the penetration on those plays.

[SoDak Bronco]

we should have beaten these guys buy 20 points..we left a bunch of points out there...which is cool.

[Atwater His Ass]

Dewayne Robertson again!

i think D-Rob was the one who got the penetration on those plays.

I don't recall him getting any penetration, but he clogged up his area to allow the LB's to come in.

Just saying, normally you see something like how we got blew up for the safety on those types of plays.

[Kaylore]

On the rushing TD in the third quarter from Pittman, Hillis takes two guys out by himself. It is freaking awesome. He obliterates both of them. Hillis is awesome.

By the way, Owen Scmitt isn't even starting for the Seahawks.

[theAPAOps5]

On the rushing TD in the third quarter from Pittman, Hillis takes two guys out by himself. It is freaking awesome. He obliterates both of them. Hillis is awesome.

Yeah I forgot to mention that. Clady was just as nasty blocking on that play too!

[DarkHorse30]

..... DJ, Engleberger, Thomas, Webster, and Champ are the only guys I see giving a consistent effort on every play. That's only 5 out of 11 guys and they can't do it alone.



.....and 4 of the other starters are brand new to the team.

How many games does it take for an NFL team to "learn" a system, or play with different guys? Of course the new guys aren't going to look like they know what they're doing.....because the don't. Give 'em till the half of the season before calling judgement.

It's hilarious to me that Denver fans expect a defense to happen overnight. There is no doubt that Denver has skilled players, but against good offenses, the group will struggle to stop them.....especially when they haven't been together that long. Look at how bad SD's defense looked against Denver. THAT'S what going against a high-powered offense will do to you. Did Cromartie look like the same player this week as last week? Nope.

[maher_tyler]

On the rushing TD in the third quarter from Pittman, Hillis takes two guys out by himself. It is freaking awesome. He obliterates both of them. Hillis is awesome.

By the way, Owen Scmitt isn't even starting for the Seahawks.

He made good blocks on other plays that i remember..nice to have a run blocking FB again!!

[Atlas]

we should have beaten these guys buy 20 points..we left a bunch of points out there...which is cool.

Denver probably would have if they wouldn't have worn those cursed jerseys!!

[PRBronco]

I haven't seen any game footage yet, but I was reading in one of the denver papers that Shanny said Spencer Larsen hit some guy with the hardest hit he's ever seen. Anyone have a link to that? I gotsta see it!

[DB-Freak]

That Marshall drop was sorta disappointing. But I'm pretty sure the CB got his hand around Marshall to preventing him catching it.

And Jay was really off on his throws. His ball placement cost a few big plays especially with Marshall.

[Atwater His Ass]

.....and 4 of the other starters are brand new to the team.

How many games does it take for an NFL team to "learn" a system, or play with different guys? Of course the new guys aren't going to look like they know what they're doing.....because the don't. Give 'em till the half of the season before calling judgement.

It's hilarious to me that Denver fans expect a defense to happen overnight. There is no doubt that Denver has skilled players, but against good offenses, the group will struggle to stop them.....especially when they haven't been together that long. Look at how bad SD's defense looked against Denver. THAT'S what going against a high-powered offense will do to you. Did Cromartie look like the same player this week as last week? Nope.

I don't expect radical changes overnight. I do however expect 100% effort no matter when you are in there. I'm not currently seeing that and that's a problem.

[Taco John]

-Harris whiffed on his block that caused the safety.




Yes, but Kuper got completely owned, blown 5 yards off the ball...

[theAPAOps5]

Yes, but Kuper got completely owned, blown 5 yards off the ball...

Yeah both of them got destroyed. Like I said their defenders both met at the QB.

[DarkHorse30]

I don't expect radical changes overnight. I do however expect 100% effort no matter when you are in there. I'm not currently seeing that and that's a problem.

"100 effort"? Guys are hustling all over the place...they may not be in the right place at times, but the effort is there.

Did you happen to catch DJ's comment on the goalline stand? he said "we knew what they were going to do..."; you have to realize that it will take some time for a defense to come together and know where everybody is at, and how to attack an offense.

Brees said that NO had some trouble at first because Denver had different looks than they had practiced for....but then NO made adjustments. It will take some time for Denver's D to get to the point where they can make their own adjustments....but those guys are playing their asses off right now. Give 'em at least another month of gellin' time before you start calling them out.

[cmhargrove]

I haven't seen any game footage yet, but I was reading in one of the denver papers that Shanny said Spencer Larsen hit some guy with the hardest hit he's ever seen. Anyone have a link to that? I gotsta see it!

If I remember correctly, it was on the opening kickoff. Larsen dropped the hammer for sure.

[TallyBronco]

Watch the late touchdown by the Saints RB who dives into the endzone. Dre Bly runs over there and just stares at the RB instead of laying it out and pushing him out of bounds.

It's slobs like Bly who need to play all out if we're going to turn this around.

[BroncoBen]

"100 effort"? Guys are hustling all over the place...they may not be in the right place at times, but the effort is there.


I agree... and what I also like is the Coach and Players saying they left alot of points out on the field and they need to get better. This gives them something to work on.

I think with the Defense... they need to just start with the little things... being in postition... tackeling... the rest will come. They have been pretty good at stopping the run, if they can get any type of pass rushing going the secondary will preform alot better and not be caught for all those completions to keep drives alive.

[Kaylore]

Yes, but Kuper got completely owned, blown 5 yards off the ball...

Yeah I would characterize it that way. Harris whiffed and Kuper got beat. We should have just run a sneak or a roll out. It's ok. Our line is playing fantastic.

[jayman_37]

If I remember correctly, it was on the opening kickoff. Larsen dropped the hammer for sure.

I wen't back and watched the recording and it is kind of hard to see because it happens so fast, but the guy he hit was standing up trying to block and just got absolutely demolished. I mean it was a serious hit.

[kupesdad]

Yeah I would characterize it that way. Harris whiffed and Kuper got beat. We should have just run a sneak or a roll out. It's ok. Our line is playing fantastic.

When I talked to Chris on how they graded out the play, he and Harris got equal blame. Harris got beat on an inside move and Chris got blown back by his man. Oh well, 7 games down and only 1 sack recorded

[DB-Freak]

When I talked to Chris on how they graded out the play, he and Harris got equal blame. Harris got beat on an inside move and Chris got blown back by his man. Oh well, 7 games down and only 1 sack recorded

Appreciate the insight...

Would you happen to know anymore?

[TerrElway]

Eh it happens. I didn't like the call period. Should have just QB sneaked. Harris just got caught off guard. But you are right Kuper whiffed pretty much too. So they DL met at the QB.

No, they should have faked the dive and rolled Cutler out sending BMarsh or Royal deep. Cutler either goes long on a play they don't expect. Keeps it himself and picks up a few yards before stepping out of bounds or just throws it away then they run the sneak twice and punt.

That was a horrible play call. One of the very few this season.

[Inkana7]

Dewayne Robertson made one hell of a hustle block.

Watch the block D-Rob makes on the Webster fumble recovery TD. What a hell of a block for a 300+ pounder.

Robertson also made a HUGE stop on the goalline before that 4th and Goal. It was either 2nd or 3rd and Goal and he straight up shed his block and made the play.

[Rock Chalk]

Nope Harris whiffed on his too. Go back and watch. They both blew it. AT least Kuper touched his guy. Harris just whiffed.

Ellis was untouched and it was disgusting.

I was at the game and couldnt see because it was on the other side of the field but when I got home I fast-forwarded the game to that play real quick andw atched it four times and damn near threw my remote at the TV.

First: It was a HORRIBLE play call.

Second: It doesnt matter whose fault it was, it was a failure on the O-line.

[BigPlayShay]

No, they should have faked the dive and rolled Cutler out sending BMarsh or Royal deep. Cutler either goes long on a play they don't expect. Keeps it himself and picks up a few yards before stepping out of bounds or just throws it away then they run the sneak twice and punt.

That was a horrible play call. One of the very few this season.

Rolling out in the end zone increases the chance that there could be holding in the end zone which would result in a safety anyway. There was 27 seconds left. If they sneak it once, maybe twice the clock runs out on the half.

[Rock Chalk]

Besides, the way Ellis got through, a rollout ends in a safety anyway.

[TerrElway]

Rolling out in the end zone increases the chance that there could be holding in the end zone which would result in a safety anyway. There was 27 seconds left. If they sneak it once, maybe twice the clock runs out on the half.

Different play, same result. I see what you are saying though. I half expected them to take a shot as Shanny has done that in the past in situations that look like a sneak or a dive is in order. He usually does it with a just a short drop and a lob to the sidelines.

[jonny1]

Shanahan, on the radio on Monday, said that the play that resulted in the safety was "one of the few plays that I called in the game." He agreed that a QB sneak probably would have been better, but that the way the offense was playing, he felt good about it.

Hey, **it happens.

He also said that he liked the effort from the defense, just that it was missed assignments more than anything.

[Tombstone RJ]

Shanahan, on the radio on Monday, said that the play that resulted in the safety was "one of the few plays that I called in the game." He agreed that a QB sneak probably would have been better, but that the way the offense was playing, he felt good about it.

Hey, **it happens.

He also said that he liked the effort from the defense, just that it was missed assignments more than anything.

One of the times Shanny overides Bates, interesting. As for the defense, I wonder how long it's gonna take the players to absorb the scheme. Supposedly, it's way less complicated than last year... so what gives?

[Bladerunner]

Shanahan, on the radio on Monday, said that the play that resulted in the safety was "one of the few plays that I called in the game." He agreed that a QB sneak probably would have been better, but that the way the offense was playing, he felt good about it.

Hey, **it happens.

He also said that he liked the effort from the defense, just that it was missed assignments more than anything.

then the old man needs to keep his hands off, because there are only 1 1/2 good calls in that situation...

1. QB sneak. With this play you can literally snap the ball and fall forward to end the half...no brainer and should always be called...always

1/2. If you are literally pathological about calling one of the infinite wrong plays in that situation, the least wrong is a roll out right with a primary to the FB and a secondary with right TE running a post to the inside...if the play is there throw it...if not run it and slide...if you can't do either, throw it away and resort to option 1.

I was mortified and stupified at that play call...totally unacceptable.

[Atwater His Ass]

One of the times Shanny overides Bates, interesting. As for the defense, I wonder how long it's gonna take the players to absorb the scheme. Supposedly, it's way less complicated than last year... so what gives?

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