Army Brigade combat team deployed on US soil

[scttgrd]

I guess the leadership is expecting something big to happen. Putting an Army brigade on US soil I thought was illegal. They are supposed to be used for civil unrest, crowd controll and emergencies. I guess things are going downhill faster that most thought.

Linky: http://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/22/headlines#10

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I guess the leadership is expecting something big to happen. Putting an Army brigade on US soil I thought was illegal. They are supposed to be used for civil unrest, crowd controll and emergencies. I guess things are going downhill faster that most thought.

Linky: http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w

It is illegal - only the National Guard can be deployed in the event of civil unrest.

[Rohirrim]

Link doesn't work.

[baja]

I guess the leadership is expecting something big to happen. Putting an Army brigade on US soil I thought was illegal. They are supposed to be used for civil unrest, crowd controll and emergencies. I guess things are going downhill faster that most thought.

Linky: http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w

Looks like someone took down the link.

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[scttgrd]

That link didn't last long, I added a link to democracynow.com for now. I will post the text of the article in a sec.

[scttgrd]

Here is the text of the article that I could find.

ARMY TIMES
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090... /.
Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1

3rd Infantry’s 1st BCT trains for a new dwell-time mission. Helping ‘people at home’ may become a permanent part of the active Army
By Gina Cavallaro - Staff writer
Posted : Monday Sep 8, 2008 6:15:06 EDT

The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys. Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.

Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist

It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. In August 2005, for example, when Hurricane Katrina unleashed hell in Mississippi and Louisiana, several active-duty units were pulled from various posts and mobilized to those areas.

But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.

After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.

“Right now, the response force requirement will be an enduring mission. How the chooses to source that and whether or not they continue to assign them to NorthCom, that could change in the future,” said Army Col. Louis Vogler, chief of NorthCom future operations. “Now, the plan is to assign a force every year.”

...They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.

...The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

“It’s a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they’re fielding. They’ve been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it.”

The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.

...The brigade will not change its name, but the force will be known for the next year as a CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF (pronounced “sea-smurf”).

“I can’t think of a more noble mission than this,” said Cloutier, who took command in July. “We’ve been all over the world during this time of conflict, but now our mission is to take care of citizens at home ... and depending on where an event occurred, you’re going home to take care of your home town, your loved ones.”

...Should personnel be needed at an earthquake in California, for example, all or part of the brigade could be scrambled there, depending on the extent of the need and the specialties involved.

...“I don’t know what America’s overall plan is — I just know that 24 hours a day, seven days a week, there are soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines that are standing by to come and help if they’re called,” Cloutier said. “It makes me feel good as an American to know that my country has dedicated a force to come in and help the people at home.”

[baja]

...“I don’t know what America’s overall plan is — I just know that 24 hours a day, seven days a week, there are soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines that are standing by to come and help if they’re called,” Cloutier said. “It makes me feel good as an American to know that my country has dedicated a force to come in and help the people at home.”


Boy they are slick....


Isn't that what the national guard is for.


Soon Black Water will be coming to a town in distress near you. Rather you need them or not....


Remember you were told either you are with us or you are against us.

[Rohirrim]

I'm afraid Bush may need to declare a state of emergency pretty soon. And postpone the elections, of course. ;D

[Dudeskey]

Designed to protect them from us when we all (partisan beleifs aside) get really pissed...™

[baja]

Designed to protect them from us when we all (partisan beleifs aside) get really pissed...™

Or to deal with the pre election "Terrorist attack"

[Dudeskey]

Or to deal with the pre election "Terrorist attack"

maybe. Or to thawrt an imminent attack in a rather dramatic manner so that it garners a ****load of media attention... It would reenforce the GOP's "strong on national defense" schtick...™

[Drek]

What's the problem?

I mean, you'd think this was some fascist regime or something with how you're all so worried.

Trust Bush, he's never done wrong by us before.

[baja]

What's the problem?

I mean, you'd think this was some fascist regime or something with how you're all so worried.

Trust Bush, he's never done wrong by us before.

That's right, all you 'The sky is falling' nut cases are spoiling my dinner.

[cutthemdown]

It's to quash the riots when Obama loses.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

It's to quash the riots when Obama loses.

The only way Obama "loses" is via the usual GOP election fraud.

[elsid13]

This isn't a big deal. Northcom would stood up with the mission to the be the US command responsible for homeland defense. In the past month Northcom has sent troops to help with rescue efforts in Texas for Ike, deployed and other hurricanes. They also ran a number NBC tests to help.

Conspiracies theories are getting out of control here.

[cutthemdown]

The only way Obama "loses" is via the usual GOP election fraud.

yeah we all know about how you have decided the only way Obama loses is by fraud.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

yeah we all know about how you have decided the only way Obama loses is by fraud.

We all know you are ignorant of the fact that this happened the last two presidential elections in a row.

[Drek]

yeah we all know about how you have decided the only way Obama loses is by fraud.

What do you say about a Michigan congressman who admitted that they were going to conduct election fraud?

You act like it never happens even when the very politicians you support have stated that they very much intend to violate the civil liberties of just as many likely Obama voters as they can.

[alkemical]

Posse Comitatus...... Does it even exist?

[alkemical]

I'm afraid Bush may need to declare a state of emergency pretty soon. And postpone the elections, of course. ;D

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/october_surprise_attack/2008/09/22/133139.html?s=sp&promo_code=6B14-1

Al-Qaida Threatens 'October Surprise' Attack

After two major terrorist attacks in Pakistan and Yemen — along with a new U.S. push at insurgent strongholds along the Afghan border — U.S. intelligence is worried about a massive "October surprise" attack geared to sway the U.S. elections.

America's military and intelligence agencies intercepted a series of messages from al-Qaida's leadership last month that seemed designed to warn local cells to prepare for imminent attacks. One such operation may have been the attack that brought down a Marriott Hotel in Islamabad where the newly inaugurated president of Pakistan was scheduled to dine.

The attacks would likely be at American bases or allies abroad, since most experts think the group’s ability to penetrate the U.S. homeland has deteriorated since 9-11. Still, al-Qaida is aggressively recruiting both North African and European operatives who may have a greater ability to enter the United States and blend in before launching an attack, according to U.S. intelligence officials.

“We are not aware of any specific, credible al-Qaida plot to attack the U.S. homeland, but we do receive a steady stream of threat reporting from sources of varying creditability,” said Ted Gistaro, U.S. national intelligence officer (NIO) for transnational threats. “As the election nears, we expect to see an uptick in such threat reporting — of varying credibility — regarding possible attacks.“

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

What do you say about a Michigan congressman who admitted that they were going to conduct election fraud?

You act like it never happens even when the very politicians you support have stated that they very much intend to violate the civil liberties of just as many likely Obama voters as they can.

Like all corporate socialist party boot lickers, he simply ignores inconvenient facts like these and goes on parroting his RNC talking points.

[alkemical]

Shhhh... don't confuse the nuts with facts.


Sorry for thge interuption folks, back to your regularly schedulaed conspiracy thread. ;)

Dave,

Conspiracy is just another name for coalition.;)

[sisterhellfyre]

Posse Comitatus...... Does it even exist?

No. It was repealed several years ago and no longer applies.

Regards,
m.

[alkemical]

No. It was repealed several years ago and no longer applies.

Regards,
m.

I am sad.

[gyldenlove]

I would send in the army if I was prez, hand out some donuts and asskickings.

[Dudeskey]

I'm afraid Bush may need to declare a state of emergency pretty soon. And postpone the elections, of course. ;D

Remember that right wing Christian fundie nutjob that wrote some column about a year ago calling for bush to be president for life? I think it was Phillip Atkinson. It was originally published on Familysecuritymatters.org, then removed. But despite that its all over the internets...™

[sisterhellfyre]

Remember that right wing Christian fundie nutjob that wrote some column about a year ago calling for bush to be president for life? I think it was Phillip Atkinson. It was originally published on Familysecuritymatters.org, then removed. But despite that its all over the internets...™

For your reading enjoyment...

The inadequacy of Democracy, rule by the majority, is undeniable – for it demands adopting ideas because they are popular, rather than because they are wise. This means that any man chosen to act as an agent of the people is placed in an invidious position: if he commits folly because it is popular, then he will be held responsible for the inevitable result. If he refuses to commit folly, then he will be detested by most citizens because he is frustrating their demands.

When faced with the possible threat that the Iraqis might be amassing terrible weapons that could be used to slay millions of citizens of Western Civilization, President Bush took the only action prudence demanded and the electorate allowed: he conquered Iraq with an army.

This dangerous and expensive act did destroy the Iraqi regime, but left an American army without any clear purpose in a hostile country and subject to attack. If the Army merely returns to its home, then the threat it ended would simply return.

The wisest course would have been for President Bush to use his nuclear weapons to slaughter Iraqis until they complied with his demands, or until they were all dead. Then there would be little risk or expense and no American army would be left exposed. But if he did this, his cowardly electorate would have instantly ended his term of office, if not his freedom or his life.
...............
The simple truth that modern weapons now mean a nation must practice genocide or commit suicide. Israel provides the perfect example. If the Israelis do not raze Iran, the Iranians will fulfill their boast and wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Yet Israel is not popular, and so is denied permission to defend itself. In the same vein, President Bush cannot do what is necessary for the survival of Americans. He cannot use the nation's powerful weapons. All he can do is try and discover a result that will be popular with Americans.
..............
By elevating popular fancy over truth, Democracy is clearly an enemy of not just truth, but duty and justice, which makes it the worst form of government. President Bush must overcome not just the situation in Iraq, but democratic government.

However, President Bush has a valuable historical example that he could choose to follow.

When the ancient Roman general Julius Caesar was struggling to conquer ancient Gaul, he not only had to defeat the Gauls, but he also had to defeat his political enemies in Rome who would destroy him the moment his tenure as consul (president) ended.

Caesar pacified Gaul by mass slaughter; he then used his successful army to crush all political opposition at home and establish himself as permanent ruler of ancient Rome. This brilliant action not only ended the personal threat to Caesar, but ended the civil chaos that was threatening anarchy in ancient Rome – thus marking the start of the ancient Roman Empire that gave peace and prosperity to the known world.
.............
President Bush can fail in his duty to himself, his country, and his God, by becoming “ex-president” Bush or he can become “President-for-Life” Bush: the conqueror of Iraq, who brings sense to the Congress and sanity to the Supreme Court. Then who would be able to stop Bush from emulating Augustus Caesar and becoming ruler of the world? For only an America united under one ruler has the power to save humanity from the threat of a new Dark Age wrought by terrorists armed with nuclear weapons."

===============

Regards,
m.

[baja]

Ya I can see the Caesar in him.


http://redgreenandblue.org/files/2008/04/bush-1.jpg

[alkemical]

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1

3rd Infantry’s 1st BCT trains for a new dwell-time mission. Helping ‘people at home’ may become a permanent part of the active Army


http://www.prisonplanet.com/us-troops-in-homeland-crowd-control-patrols-from-october-1st.html

U.S. Troops In Homeland “Crowd Control” Patrols From October 1st

3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team returning from Iraq for homeland patrols to help with “civil unrest” and “crowd control,” training in use of non-lethal weapons

[baja]

Looks like Ron Paul was right.

.S. troops returning from duty in Iraq will be carrying out homeland patrols in America from October 1st in complete violation of Posse Comitatus for the purposes of helping with “civil unrest and crowd control” - which could include dealing with unruly Americans after a complete economic collapse.
This shocking admission was calmly reported on September 8th by the Army Times website, which reports that from the beginning of next month the 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team “Will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.”
The article notes that the deployment “marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.”
The purpose of the unit’s patrols includes helping “with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.”

[sisterhellfyre]

Looks like Ron Paul was right.”

(From article on prisonplanet.com... )

The open admission that U.S. troops will be involved in law enforcement operations as well as potentially using non-lethal weapons against American citizens is a complete violation of the Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act, which substantially limit the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement unless under precise and extreme circumstances.

Section 1385 of the Posse Comitatus Act states, “Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.”

Under the John Warner Defense Authorization Act, signed by President Bush on October 17, 2006, the law was changed to state, “The President may employ the armed forces to restore public order in any State of the United States the President determines hinders the execution of laws or deprives people of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.”

<B>However, these changes were repealed in their entirety by HR 4986: National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008, reverting back to the original state of the Insurrection Act of 1807.</B>

The original text of the Insurrection Act severely limits the power of the President to deploy troops within the United States.

For troops to be deployed, a condition has to exist that, “(1) So hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or (2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws. In any situation covered by clause (1), the State shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution.”

The deployment of National Guard troops to aid law enforcement or for disaster relief purposes is legal under the authority of the governor of a state, but using active duty U.S. Army in law enforcement operations inside America absent the conditions described in the Insurrection Act is completely illegal.

[OrangeDoofus]

Conspiracies theories are getting out of control here.
You're probably right.

The problem is, every time you think "the Bush administration would never do that" there's about a 50/50 change they actually will do it.