Saints vs. Broncos: Who’s going to stop Jay Cutler?

[cutlerfan]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/58538-saints-vs-broncos-whos-going-to-stop-jay-cutler

James Rees

Six hours into my pro football watching marathon last Sunday I realized two things; First, the Saints revamped defense might not be as good as advertised; and second, the Broncos can flat out score the football.

As I mulled this over in my brain while also considering the monumental decision of what I would have for dinner, I began to make a few connections. If the Saints are struggling on defense and the Broncos are scoring more often then Hugh Hefner, how in the world did New Orleans expect to win its Week Three trip to Denver?

Against San Diego, supposedly one of the best defenses in the league, the Broncos put up 39. Cutler moved the ball at will against defenders far more talented than anyone the Saints have. Brandon Marshall, hell bent on recovering fantasy value after his Week One suspension, caught 18 balls.

And Eddie where-the-heck-did-he-come-from Royal proved he isn’t a one hit wonder.

There was no denying it: This Broncos team can and will score on anybody. So again I returned to my question: Who on the Saints roster has a chance of stopping this Cutler-led scoring machine?

Based on Sunday’s performance against the Redskins, I’d say one guy--Jonathan Vilma. Of course, he can’t stop an offense all by himself, but I single him out because he was the only Saints defender who actually defended against Washington.

The rest of the defense was ineffective. I understand there were several starters injured, but no starters were out on the defensive line. Why couldn’t the Saints get any pass rush?

I digress, that game is over and done with. It’s time to focus on this week. By the way, how many combined points will the Saints and Broncos score? Can Vegas get away with an over/under set at 60? I might still take the over.

Clearly the only way New Orleans beats Denver this week is if they outscore them. Can it be done? Possibly. Can Lou Holtz make it through an entire sentence without sounding ridiculous? Possibly. Not likely, though.

The point is New Orleans must play an outstanding offensive game to win this Sunday. They’ve got to play a Dallas in ’06 type game to win. So far the Saints offense hasn’t run as smoothly as it’s capable of running. To get past Cutler and Co. it’s got to purr like a Corvette.

That means no more fumbles, drops or interceptions. It means establishing the running game early with Deuce McAllister. And it means tons of protection for Drew Brees.

If the Saints can check those three things off the list at the end of the day, odds are they’ll heading home happy.

[Kaylore]

I love when the Broncos score the football.

[Old Dude]

Hugh Hefner still scores?

[broncofan2438]

Yea, Vilma will tear us apart if we dont pull our heads out

[TheDave]

and they are young... Imagine how good this group will be in a couple of years.

[Los Broncos]

Really only Jay can stop himself.

[watermock]

Goddamn...I have been wanting Vilma for a decade now...isn't he about Zach Thomas age? I know he's been on the market at least twice. DUH, ya think we could of used him instead of Henry or Colbert?

Webster is so ****in lost it's pathetic...is he blind and only follows scent?

[s0phr0syne]

Goddamn...I have been wanting Vilma for a decade now...isn't he about Zach Thomas age? I know he's been on the market at least twice. DUH, ya think we could of used him instead of Henry or Colbert?

Webster is so ****in lost it's pathetic...is he blind and only follows scent?

Mock, come on now man, Vilma came out of Miami with DJ. Zach Thomas age????

[baja]

and they are young... Imagine how good this group will be in a couple of years.

Screw a couple of years they are going to be great this year and already are

[Kaylore]

I really am not a fan of these Bleacher report pseudo-"articles" especially ones that display this amount of Hubris early in the season. They're asking for a jinx. Look at the Raider one where they list "Ten reasons the Raiders beat the Broncos."

[BroncoLifer]

and they are young... Imagine how good this group will be in a couple of years.

Are you referring to the Broncos or Hefner's scores?

[Rock Chalk]

Mock, Vilma truly sucks.

[GoHAM]

"Can Lou Holtz make it through an entire sentence without sounding ridiculous? Possibly. Not likely, though."

At least this was funny. LOL

[ccase39]

Goddamn...I have been wanting Vilma for a decade now...isn't he about Zach Thomas age? I know he's been on the market at least twice. DUH, ya think we could of used him instead of Henry or Colbert?

Webster is so ****in lost it's pathetic...is he blind and only follows scent?

I think hes been in the league a whopping 4 years. I think that will work out to be a great pickup for us.

http://www.nfl.com/players/jonathanvilma/profile?id=VIL582180

[TheDave]

I think hes been in the league a whopping 4 years. I think that will work out to be a great pickup for us.

http://www.nfl.com/players/jonathanvilma/profile?id=VIL582180

What's the deal with his knee? The way things fell apart for him in NY was really strange.

[ccase39]

What's the deal with his knee? The way things fell apart for him in NY was really strange.

They changed the defensive scheme when Mangini took over to a 3-4. He never adjusted well and when he got hurt they chose to trade him.

[TheDave]

They changed the defensive scheme when Mangini took over to a 3-4. He never adjusted well and when he got hurt they chose to trade him.

So, a similiar situation to how we got D Robertson. Well I hope he works out for you guys (except for this Sunday of course ;D ). Always like Vilma as a player.

[SportinOne]

They changed the defensive scheme when Mangini took over to a 3-4. He never adjusted well and when he got hurt they chose to trade him.

Can't you just hear the gurgling, choking noises as he regurgitates the propoganda he's been force fed?

[Rock Chalk]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/58538-saints-vs-broncos-whos-going-to-stop-jay-cutler

James Rees

Six hours into my pro football watching marathon last Sunday I realized two things; First, the Saints revamped defense might not be as good as advertised; and second, the Broncos can flat out score the football.

As I mulled this over in my brain while also considering the monumental decision of what I would have for dinner, I began to make a few connections. If the Saints are struggling on defense and the Broncos are scoring more often then Hugh Hefner, how in the world did New Orleans expect to win its Week Three trip to Denver?

Against San Diego, supposedly one of the best defenses in the league, the Broncos put up 39. Cutler moved the ball at will against defenders far more talented than anyone the Saints have. Brandon Marshall, hell bent on recovering fantasy value after his Week One suspension, caught 18 balls.

And Eddie where-the-heck-did-he-come-from Royal proved he isn’t a one hit wonder.

There was no denying it: This Broncos team can and will score on anybody. So again I returned to my question: Who on the Saints roster has a chance of stopping this Cutler-led scoring machine?

Based on Sunday’s performance against the Redskins, I’d say one guy--Jonathan Vilma. Of course, he can’t stop an offense all by himself, but I single him out because he was the only Saints defender who actually defended against Washington.

The rest of the defense was ineffective. I understand there were several starters injured, but no starters were out on the defensive line. Why couldn’t the Saints get any pass rush?

I digress, that game is over and done with. It’s time to focus on this week. By the way, how many combined points will the Saints and Broncos score? Can Vegas get away with an over/under set at 60? I might still take the over.

Clearly the only way New Orleans beats Denver this week is if they outscore them. Can it be done? Possibly. Can Lou Holtz make it through an entire sentence without sounding ridiculous? Possibly. Not likely, though.

The point is New Orleans must play an outstanding offensive game to win this Sunday. They’ve got to play a Dallas in ’06 type game to win. So far the Saints offense hasn’t run as smoothly as it’s capable of running. To get past Cutler and Co. it’s got to purr like a Corvette.

That means no more fumbles, drops or interceptions. It means establishing the running game early with Deuce McAllister. And it means tons of protection for Drew Brees.

If the Saints can check those three things off the list at the end of the day, odds are they’ll heading home happy.

I have concluded that you dont give a **** about the Broncos but are a Jay Cutlerite.

You are beckyj4. (For those of you old enough to remember that **** (Purposefully censored as I cant bring myself to type the "c" word) you know what I mean).

[ccase39]

Can't you just hear the gurgling, choking noises as he regurgitates the propoganda he's been force fed?

Im not saying I am buying into that ****, but he looks good so far. He leads the league in tackles right now, so I could care less if he got shipped off for banging Manginis wife. Or Mangini for that matter.

[Mediator12]

Im not saying I am buying into that ****, but he looks good so far. He leads the league in tackles right now, so I could care less if he got shipped off for banging Manginis wife. Or Mangini for that matter.

Leading the league in tackles is NOT a good thing. It usually means entirely too many opportunities. He looked OK against TB and WAS though. The kid who looked solid was Dunbar, solid find who can read the game and play it. Your secondary better get healthy real fast though. Santana Moss ate you guys alive and Tracy Porter is not the answer yet. What is the status of your top 3 CB's? I know Glenn, Gay, and McKenzie were hurt last week. Any news out of NO?

[Rock Chalk]

Med, who is a bad ass MLB we will be able to get at the #32 pick?

[DB-Freak]

Leading the league in tackles is NOT a good thing. It usually means entirely too many opportunities. He looked OK against TB and WAS though. The kid who looked solid was Dunbar, solid find who can read the game and play it. Your secondary better get healthy real fast though. Santana Moss ate you guys alive and Tracy Porter is not the answer yet. What is the status of your top 3 CB's? I know Glenn, Gay, and McKenzie were hurt last week. Any news out of NO?

You need to post more woman.

I mean alot more.

[Mediator12]

Med, who is a bad ass MLB we will be able to get at the #32 pick?

Screw 32 and move up for Rey "Bad ass" Maualuga and call it a day. Pay the cost and do it. Then take one of the DE's later. Preferably, Greg Middleton from Indiana. He might drop for "character". We all know that does not mean to much to Mike!

[Rock Chalk]

No no, Socal might have a heart attack if we trade picks away to move up.

[theAPAOps5]

Screw 32 and move up for Rey "Bad ass" Maualuga and call it a day. Pay the cost and do it. Then take one of the DE's later. Preferably, Greg Middleton from Indiana. He might drop for "character". We all know that does not mean to much to Mike!

Every time I watch Maualuga play I pray Denver can find a way to get him. They guys just amazing.

[Mediator12]

You need to post more woman.

I mean alot more.

No time this year. I have watched every single game so far this year though! The superfan replays are awesome! 23 minutes for a whole game, WOW :strong:

Just wanted to check in after an awesome start.

[DB-Freak]

yup it's always good to have an angry samoan on your defense.

[2KBack]

Screw 32 and move up for Rey "Bad ass" Maualuga and call it a day. Pay the cost and do it. Then take one of the DE's later. Preferably, Greg Middleton from Indiana. He might drop for "character". We all know that does not mean to much to Mike!

How bitter sweet it is that Denver rarely gets a shot at guys like Maualuga

[Mediator12]

yup it's always good to have an angry samoan on your defense.

Speaking of angry Samoans, Isaac Sopoaga finally seems to be coming around for SF. Playing real well for them.

[DB-Freak]

He would be like Slap's favorite linebacker ever.

[Rock Chalk]

Samoans.

The only fat people on the planet that can get away with it.

[Mediator12]

How bitter sweet it is that Denver rarely gets a shot at guys like Maualuga

You have to pay the price to get talent like that. Problem is, every once in awhile one of them flops or gets injured and then your are screwed.

Give Jarvis some time though, he can play. I just hope Jacob Burney does not screw him up even more than he has the rest of them.

[Rock Chalk]

I wish stupid ****s would lay off Moss.

Dude was injured last year. give him some ****ign time.

[ccase39]

Leading the league in tackles is NOT a good thing. It usually means entirely too many opportunities. He looked OK against TB and WAS though. The kid who looked solid was Dunbar, solid find who can read the game and play it. Your secondary better get healthy real fast though. Santana Moss ate you guys alive and Tracy Porter is not the answer yet. What is the status of your top 3 CB's? I know Glenn, Gay, and McKenzie were hurt last week. Any news out of NO?

Mckenzie was a full go in practice today, Gay was limited, and Glenn did not participate

[Mediator12]

I wish stupid ****s would lay off Moss.

Dude was injured last year. give him some ****ign time.

Moss will get his chances. Saints OL was pretty off trying to protect their new center Goodwin last week. They let the Redskins get too many one on one's outside hoping Brees would get rid of the ball quickly.

Problem was that Colston has a broken hand from Ronde Barber and the rest of the WR's looked about as good as SEA's current group. They took Bush out of the passing game until the 2 minute drills and Shockey looked totally disinterested as he fumbled a third down conversion and quit on a slant that got deflected and INT'd.

[DB-Freak]

You have to pay the price to get talent like that. Problem is, every once in awhile one of them flops or gets injured and then your are screwed.

Give Jarvis some time though, he can play. I just hope Jacob Burney does not screw him up even more than he has the rest of them.

He had a really bad case of the staph in his college days and (played with it )... and staph infections of the recent types are really nasty.


So I'm not surprised he's not exactly developed yet.

[Mediator12]

Mckenzie was a full go in practice today, Gay was limited, and Glenn did not participate

What about Fujita and Young?

[Play2win]

Screw 32 and move up for Rey "Bad ass" Maualuga and call it a day. Pay the cost and do it. Then take one of the DE's later. Preferably, Greg Middleton from Indiana. He might drop for "character". We all know that does not mean to much to Mike!

I pray everynight that this might happen... :pray:


We could call him "BA"... Like MR. T in the old A TEAM tv series... ;D

[DB-Freak]

Rey is a rare kind.

A fairly athletic LB who doesn't get owned when he gets touched.

A lot of these athletic type of LBs tend to be undersized and weak and simply owned by the blockers when they get touched, but not Rey.

Rey is just simply too angry and strong to be contained.

And the guy is huge by the way. I'm 6'2 and 200+ and this guy literally made feel like an infant when I stood next to thim.

[Rock Chalk]

What about Fujita and Young?

Doesnt mattera bout Fujita. He over pursues.

[Play2win]

Every time I see Rey in action, I alway see some sort of awesome combination of Troy Polamalu and Al Wilson... :militia:

[Rock Chalk]

Ooh I like the Al Wilson part. Not so much Troy Polamalu. Dude needs to cut that mop.

[ccase39]

What about Fujita and Young?

http://blog.nola.com/saintsbeat/2008...ld_out_of.html

[Mediator12]

Every time I see Rey in action, I alway see some sort of awesome combination of Troy Polamalu and Al Wilson... :militia:

Rey hits harder than Al Wilson did at Tennessee. His only problem is overpursuit, but that does not show up very much playing for USC as they just out talent everyone. Also, he plays a lot of zone, but he blitzes like a Mack truck :thumbs:

[Br0nc0Buster]

Give Jarvis some time though, he can play.

Do you have evidence of this?

[Rock Chalk]

Oh Rey plays for USC?

No thanks. Individually over rated. Every one of their players.

[DB-Freak]

I don't think he's as athletic as Wilson. I'm not too sure if Rey could shadow Randy Moss or Marshall Faulk in their physical prime.

But he's a lot better between the tackle guy and blitzer than Al.

[Mediator12]

Do you have evidence of this?

Game tape from Florida. Gaines Adams and Moss were the two best pure Pass rushers in that draft, hands down. Jarvis is a 2 years younger than Adams and missed a ton of time at Florida with the Staph infection before it was treated. He was just a machine as a pass rusher and better against the run than people realize. He is just way behind in his technique and development as opposed to Dumervil who was all technique coming out. Kid was and is a project. But he can play. They just need to give him reps on the field and learn the hard way.

Off topic, Two other CHI cuts I would like to see DEN bring in are Dan Bazuin DE Central Michigan and Josh Gattis S Wake Forrest.

[Mediator12]

Oh Rey plays for USC?

No thanks. Individually over rated. Every one of their players.

Nah, not as badly as Texas :welcome:

[Br0nc0Buster]

Game tape from Florida. Gaines Adams and Moss were the two best pure Pass rushers in that draft, hands down. Jarvis is a 2 years younger than Adams and missed a ton of time at Florida with the Staph infection before it was treated. He was just a machine as a pass rusher and better against the run than people realize. He is just way behind in his technique and development as opposed to Dumervil who was all technique coming out. Kid was and is a project. But he can play. They just need to give him reps on the field and learn the hard way.

Off topic, Two other CHI cuts I would like to see DEN bring in are Dan Bazuin DE Central Michigan and Josh Gattis S Wake Forrest.

Is there any other player you would compare him to that was of similar build with raw technique like Jarvis?
I am just wondering what sort of time frame should be suitable for a player of Jarvis's build and skill set.

I am having trouble seeing how he is as talented as people say. I would think in preseason he would occasionally beat people with his talent if his skill set matches that of an elite pass rusher. But I saw someone who looked slow and got pushed around like a rag doll against guys who wont even start in this league.
I am not sure is technique is going to change that much.

Also he played on a flat out sick defensive line in college. Surely it is much easier to look good in college when offenses dont have to focus on you.

[CasinoRoyal]

Nobody can stop this offense to be honest.

I cant see one defend that has enough studs on defense to match up with us at the skill positions and then u factor in the protections......SMH thats shyt you just cant stop

[CasinoRoyal]

But like i been saying....
Sed Ellis can be as disruptive as disruptive gets.

We will have to make sure we contain him.

There secondary is hurting badly though. so that makes things worst for them.

[TheReverend]

Speaking of angry Samoans, Isaac Sopoaga finally seems to be coming around for SF. Playing real well for them.

I LOVE that kid. His physical skill-set is off the charts.

[elsid13]

Speaking of angry Samoans, Isaac Sopoaga finally seems to be coming around for SF. Playing real well for them.

I was hoping that Denver would make a run on him this last offseason. He would have added some nice bulk to the DT rotation.

For next year I wouldn't be surprised if Denver went corner or WR in the 1st .

[*WARHORSE*]

yup it's always good to have an angry samoan on your defense.



Cheeeeee hu!!


SA-SA da coconut baby!

[Odysseus]

I have concluded that you dont give a **** about the Broncos but are a Jay Cutlerite.

You are beckyj4. (For those of you old enough to remember that **** (Purposefully censored as I cant bring myself to type the "c" word) you know what I mean).

I cannot believe how many old maners are emotionally ruined by that one poster. This is the only pre Bob poster that seems to be immortal.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

I came here to say we are going to flat-out score the football. SCORE THE FOOTBALL!!!!!

Lulz...

[Sodak]

I have concluded that you dont give a **** about the Broncos but are a Jay Cutlerite.

You are beckyj4. (For those of you old enough to remember that **** (Purposefully censored as I cant bring myself to type the "c" word) you know what I mean).


Wasn't she a fish fan? **shudder**

Who finally ran her off?

[Bronco Yoda]

It's going to be interesting to see how we deal with all their short dinks and dunks to bush and co. It will be a long day if we don't contain the big play YAC's.

[tnedator]

and they are young... Imagine how good this group will be in a couple of years.

Only five starters are over 5 years in the league (Graham, Hamilton, Nalen/Wiegman) of the 11 starters (assuming Graham starts, it drops to two players with 5+ years of experience if Scheff starts.)

Of the regular contributors:
7+ year players:
Nalen/Wiegman*
Hamilton*
Graham*
Nate Jackson
Michael Pittman
Stokely
Darrly Jackson

4-6 years in leauge:
None that come to mind

3rd year player or younger:
Cutler*
Marshall*
Royal*
Scheffler
Hillis*
Young*
Hall
Clady*
Kuper*
Harris*

So, 8 starters in their rookie, 2nd or 3rd years in the NFL. 3 Veteran starters with 8+ years in the leauge.

This is a young offense, that has the potential to get better, and be good for a long time.