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BowlenBall
09-17-2008, 09:04 AM
Given Ted's ex-insider status, I'd say that this is pretty good stuff. The comments on the OL and Royal sound all the sweeter considering the source, and his only negative comments (about the questionable speed of the linebackers / safeties) seems spot-on to me.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/09/16/ted-sundquists-week-two-game-reviews-chargers-at-broncos/

[Editor’s note: Ted Sundquist, former G.M. of the Broncos, provides us with three scouting reports and game reviews each week. In Week Two, one of the three contests on which he focused involved his former team, the Broncos, and the Chargers.]



Wow! Could this have been the game of the season already in Week 2? The NFL has to be scratching their collective heads as to how to handle technical difficulties with instant replay and a last-second admitted blown call that ultimately gave the Broncos an early two-game lead over the Chargers in the suddenly Wild, Wild West.



KEY #1 almost immediately became a non-factor after Denver won the coin toss. The Broncos effectively moved the ball off the opening script and had driven to San Diego’s 31-yard line when two back-to-back false start penalties put them in a third and 15 situation. Denver was forced to punt, and after a LaDainian Tomlinson one-yard pickup the Chargers were hit with their first snafu of the day. Champ Bailey broke on a throw to Chris Chambers and the two went to the ground in what appeared to be a Chambers’ reception and down by contact. Bailey wrestled away possession as the two rolled over and the ruling on the field was an interception. Technical difficulties with the replay equipment took the official’s review over the allotted two minutes and the ruling on the field stood. Denver took the ball in from the San Diego 29 yard line and the race was on.



I had felt that to keep Denver’s explosive offense off the field, San Diego would have to come out with a physical running game and create some ball control on the ground. The ensuing drive featured Tomlinson to a degree, but it was clear that Norv Turner’s offense was going to have to put the ball in the air to keep up with Denver in the first half. By intermission the quick-strike Broncos held a 31-17 lead and Tomlinson appeared hampered by the toe injury that had kept him out of practice for most of the week. The first-half rushing summary showed 7 carries for 10 yards. San Diego did a good job of working TE Antonio Gates into their plan (KEY #1 ½). Gates was able to haul in four passes for 61 yards and created some separation from SLB Boss Bailey on a few incompletes. The mismatch was there, the Chargers just didn’t capitalize on it quite enough.



I felt the play of San Diego’s corners would be paramount in shutting down Denver’s passing game (KEY #2). They obviously came up way short. WR Brandon Marshall (coming off a one-game suspension) set a single-game record for the Broncos with 18 receptions. He flat wore out CB Antonio Cromartie, who with his physical attributes should have done a much better job in blanketing the physical Marshall. Denver looked content in getting the ball into Marshall’s hands off the quick slant or hitch route, and then letting him use his size/strength to break the initial tackle and get upfield for extra yardage. Except for a second-quarter 34-yard grab that set up Denver’s second TD, Marshall picked at the Chargers offense with plays at or around the chains. He was literally supplementing the Denver rushing attack in an effort to control both the ball and the clock. Rookie Eddie Royal was limited most of the day, but came up big with two late grabs that put the final 8 points on the board. Quentin Jammer and rookie Antoine Cason forced the issue a little better. Cason came up a big interception to thwart a fourth quarter scoring drive and added two other pass defenses. Jammer led all tacklers with 11 and had a pass defense of his own. Where San Diego’s defense really let down was putting pressure on Cutler. Rookie OT Ryan Clady and second-year OT Ryan Harris put the clamps on the Chargers outside rush. I was very impressed by this young tandem, and San Diego must find a way to replace the lost production of the injured Shawn Merriman and take some pressure off their secondary if they want to climb out of the hole they’ve dug.



KEY #3 was the running back by committee of Selvin Young and Andre Hall. The two combined for 109 yards on 15 carries. Adding in Michael Pittman’s 30 yards on 7 totes, the Broncos did a good job of keeping the Chargers off balance. No doubt the Denver coaching staff is absolutely giddy with the early production of Cutler and the receiver corps. Cutler’s display of playmaking ability and capturing early leads will put the Broncos running game on the back burner to a degree. Look for Denver to continue to pile on the points, then to try and close out the game with their traditional zone attack. That’s not to say you’ll see a major shift, but getting the ball in the hands of Marshall and Royal will become the primary focus as the weeks wear on. Charger OLB Jyles Tucker (replacing the injured Merriman) lost contain when he slammed down into the line off the backside and Selvin Young broke back to the outside on a 49 yard scamper (second and 24) to set up a second-quarter Broncos field goal.


KEY #4 was to be the play of Denver’s defensive front. With the game turning into an all-out “blitzkrieg” affair, San Diego shifted away from the run in the first half. They did, however, mix in a good compliment of the ground game with the pass in the third and fourth quarters and were able to shake free RB’s Darren Sproles and Mike Tolbert (Tolbert on a short pass he turned into a 67 yard gain). Though not able to really blow Denver’s front four off the ball, the Chargers O-Line tied them up just enough to allow their backs to get to LB level. I thought the Broncos were then exposed with some bad inside fits, questionable speed in the open field, and poor tackling in space. Sproles showed susceptibility of the Denver defense in corralling his quickness and speed at the second level. However I continue to like the move of D.J. Williams back to his natural weakside position. His short-area quickness and ability to flow to the ball created some nice plays behind the line of scrimmage.



KEY #5 was the tackling of Bronco coverage units, and they didn’t let me down. Sproles took back a kick return 103 yards for a score that tightened things up after Denver jumped out to a 21-3 lead. But. in fairness, the Broncos were without special teams standouts LB Louis Green and S Hamza Abdullah. San Diego kicker Nate Kaeding out “touchbacked” Denver’s Matt Prater, 6 to 1.

no-pseudo-fan
09-17-2008, 09:14 AM
Mf

broncofan2438
09-17-2008, 09:15 AM
Not bad, I think we need to run the ball more against the Saints

SoonerBronco
09-17-2008, 09:32 AM
The overpursuit and bad angles of or LB's seriously need to be addressed. I thought the DL did well in tying up blockers and getting a decent push up field, but Boss looked like he forgot how to take an angle on a tackle.

jmz313
09-17-2008, 09:33 AM
Prater needs to kick more TBs.

Smiling Assassin27
09-17-2008, 09:36 AM
I think Sundy's a little bitter.

broncofan2438
09-17-2008, 09:37 AM
Prater needs to kick more TBs.

Thank you, that is what I have been saying since the first game

Beantown Bronco
09-17-2008, 09:44 AM
Prater needs to kick more TBs.

All but the squib reached the EZ. It's not his fault other teams are being coached to return anything and everything because our coverage units suck.

And nobody was complaining about the 3 kicks that were returned short of the 20 yard line. Touchbacks there would've actually been worse.

All that is remembered are the two kicks out of seven that were returned big, one for 40 yds and one for a TD.

dbfan4life
09-17-2008, 09:45 AM
Thank you, that is what I have been saying since the first game

What pisses me off is that Prater was doing this consistently in pre-season, at home and on the road. 1 TB at home is pathetic.

Beantown Bronco
09-17-2008, 09:50 AM
What pisses me off is that Prater was doing this consistently in pre-season, at home and on the road. 1 TB at home is pathetic.

Don't blame Prater. Reviewing the numbers on nfl.com, Prater's kickoff distance is right where it was during the pre-season, even with the squib kick hurting his numbers. The only difference is that now other teams have film on us and know how bad our coverage units are, so they are choosing to return them, even when they are 5 yards deep in the EZ.

CHANGSTER
09-17-2008, 09:58 AM
Don't blame Prater. Reviewing the numbers on nfl.com, Prater's kickoff distance is right where it was during the pre-season, even with the squib kick hurting his numbers. The only difference is that now other teams have film on us and know how bad our coverage units are, so they are choosing to return them, even when they are 5 yards deep in the EZ.

Hmm interesting. Kaeding probably only kicked it a yard or 2 further each time, but the way he looks like a 13 year old made Prater seem worse.

Beantown Bronco
09-17-2008, 10:02 AM
To further illustrate my point:

In 2007, the league leader in kickoff distance was Rob Bironas at 67.6 yds.
Currently, Prater is at 68.7 (even counting the squib kick).

In 2007, the league leader in TBs was Janikowski with 22.
Currently, Prater is on pace for 24.

worm
09-17-2008, 10:05 AM
Boss on Shockey scares me. It is a big key to this game.

TheReverend
09-17-2008, 10:11 AM
To further illustrate my point:

In 2007, the league leader in kickoff distance was Rob Bironas at 67.6 yds.
Currently, Prater is at 68.7 (even counting the squib kick).

In 2007, the league leader in TBs was Janikowski with 22.
Currently, Prater is on pace for 24.

Good find, man. Boy's got a leg.

tsiguy96
09-17-2008, 10:13 AM
To further illustrate my point:
In 2007, the league leader in TBs was Janikowski with 22.
Currently, Prater is on pace for 24.

the distance one is good, but to compare prater with janikowski is laughable. the fact that janikowski had 22 TBs with such a ****ty offense to kick after is amazing.

TheReverend
09-17-2008, 10:14 AM
Boss on Shockey scares me. It is a big key to this game.

Shockey is 1/3rd the player Gates is... even with 9 toes.

CHANGSTER
09-17-2008, 10:14 AM
To further illustrate my point:

In 2007, the league leader in kickoff distance was Rob Bironas at 67.6 yds.
Currently, Prater is at 68.7 (even counting the squib kick).

In 2007, the league leader in TBs was Janikowski with 22.
Currently, Prater is on pace for 24.

Sweet, know who's leading so far this season?
And whats Kaedings numbers? Just curious.

worm
09-17-2008, 10:18 AM
Shockey is 1/3rd the player Gates is... even with 9 toes.

But Brees is better than Rivers....

and Boss is still Boss. Boss made Tolbert look like an all-pro.

TheReverend
09-17-2008, 10:24 AM
But Brees is better than Rivers....

and Boss is still Boss. Boss made Tolbert look like an all-pro.

Rivers was dead on almost the whole game. MANY times people were covered extremely well and Rivers MADE the plays. Brees is better but lightning doesn't strike twice.

dbfan4life
09-17-2008, 10:30 AM
Don't blame Prater. Reviewing the numbers on nfl.com, Prater's kickoff distance is right where it was during the pre-season, even with the squib kick hurting his numbers. The only difference is that now other teams have film on us and know how bad our coverage units are, so they are choosing to return them, even when they are 5 yards deep in the EZ.

Well, my perspective may have beed drunkedly skewed at the time, but it seemed like Keading wasn't even giving our guys a chance. Sure, Prater's kickoffs were 2-3 yards in the EZ, but that's a go for every team - even us. That fact that we can't stop anyone on ST, doesn't really discourage the return.

Hamrob
09-17-2008, 10:39 AM
Can you say "Weak Link"?

NATE WEBSTER

TallyBronco
09-17-2008, 10:53 AM
We wouldn't have to worry about overpursuit if Niko started, he's too damn slow to get past a RB. At the same time, I'd prefer a slow guy who can slap at some ankles as he's diving. Beats seeing Webster thrown off 100% by the slightest stutter step.

TallyBronco
09-17-2008, 10:56 AM
To further illustrate my point:

In 2007, the league leader in kickoff distance was Rob Bironas at 67.6 yds.
Currently, Prater is at 68.7 (even counting the squib kick).

In 2007, the league leader in TBs was Janikowski with 22.
Currently, Prater is on pace for 24.

The median value is more important that the average (which can be skewed bya squib kick) or the total count (which depends partly on how often your offense scores).

Hang time should also be looked at beside the median distance.

Rock Chalk
09-17-2008, 11:16 AM
But Brees is better than Rivers....

and Boss is still Boss. Boss made Tolbert look like an all-pro.

That was websters assignment not boss's.

TheChamp24
09-17-2008, 11:32 AM
Nate Webster is ****ing horrible. It was painful watching him play this past Sunday. The pass to Tolbert, the big runs, the Sproles TD catch where he looked like a deer in headlights, blah.

Doggcow
09-17-2008, 11:40 AM
Biggest play was Sheffler's studly tackle on ST on the last return by Sproles. Sheff is the ****!

ludo21
09-17-2008, 11:56 AM
niko wont overpursue.....;D

fontaine
09-17-2008, 12:16 PM
Given Ted's ex-insider status, I'd say that this is pretty good stuff. The comments on the OL and Royal sound all the sweeter considering the source, and his only negative comments (about the questionable speed of the linebackers / safeties) seems spot-on to me.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/09/16/ted-sundquists-week-two-game-reviews-chargers-at-broncos/

[Editor’s note: Ted Sundquist, former G.M. of the Broncos, provides us with three scouting reports and game reviews each week. In Week Two, one of the three contests on which he focused involved his former team, the Broncos, and the Chargers.]



Wow! Could this have been the game of the season already in Week 2? The NFL has to be scratching their collective heads as to how to handle technical difficulties with instant replay and a last-second admitted blown call that ultimately gave the Broncos an early two-game lead over the Chargers in the suddenly Wild, Wild West.



KEY #1 almost immediately became a non-factor after Denver won the coin toss. The Broncos effectively moved the ball off the opening script and had driven to San Diego’s 31-yard line when two back-to-back false start penalties put them in a third and 15 situation. Denver was forced to punt, and after a LaDainian Tomlinson one-yard pickup the Chargers were hit with their first snafu of the day. Champ Bailey broke on a throw to Chris Chambers and the two went to the ground in what appeared to be a Chambers’ reception and down by contact. Bailey wrestled away possession as the two rolled over and the ruling on the field was an interception. Technical difficulties with the replay equipment took the official’s review over the allotted two minutes and the ruling on the field stood. Denver took the ball in from the San Diego 29 yard line and the race was on.



I had felt that to keep Denver’s explosive offense off the field, San Diego would have to come out with a physical running game and create some ball control on the ground. The ensuing drive featured Tomlinson to a degree, but it was clear that Norv Turner’s offense was going to have to put the ball in the air to keep up with Denver in the first half. By intermission the quick-strike Broncos held a 31-17 lead and Tomlinson appeared hampered by the toe injury that had kept him out of practice for most of the week. The first-half rushing summary showed 7 carries for 10 yards. San Diego did a good job of working TE Antonio Gates into their plan (KEY #1 ½). Gates was able to haul in four passes for 61 yards and created some separation from SLB Boss Bailey on a few incompletes. The mismatch was there, the Chargers just didn’t capitalize on it quite enough.



I felt the play of San Diego’s corners would be paramount in shutting down Denver’s passing game (KEY #2). They obviously came up way short. WR Brandon Marshall (coming off a one-game suspension) set a single-game record for the Broncos with 18 receptions. He flat wore out CB Antonio Cromartie, who with his physical attributes should have done a much better job in blanketing the physical Marshall. Denver looked content in getting the ball into Marshall’s hands off the quick slant or hitch route, and then letting him use his size/strength to break the initial tackle and get upfield for extra yardage. Except for a second-quarter 34-yard grab that set up Denver’s second TD, Marshall picked at the Chargers offense with plays at or around the chains. He was literally supplementing the Denver rushing attack in an effort to control both the ball and the clock. Rookie Eddie Royal was limited most of the day, but came up big with two late grabs that put the final 8 points on the board. Quentin Jammer and rookie Antoine Cason forced the issue a little better. Cason came up a big interception to thwart a fourth quarter scoring drive and added two other pass defenses. Jammer led all tacklers with 11 and had a pass defense of his own. Where San Diego’s defense really let down was putting pressure on Cutler. Rookie OT Ryan Clady and second-year OT Ryan Harris put the clamps on the Chargers outside rush. I was very impressed by this young tandem, and San Diego must find a way to replace the lost production of the injured Shawn Merriman and take some pressure off their secondary if they want to climb out of the hole they’ve dug.



KEY #3 was the running back by committee of Selvin Young and Andre Hall. The two combined for 109 yards on 15 carries. Adding in Michael Pittman’s 30 yards on 7 totes, the Broncos did a good job of keeping the Chargers off balance. No doubt the Denver coaching staff is absolutely giddy with the early production of Cutler and the receiver corps. Cutler’s display of playmaking ability and capturing early leads will put the Broncos running game on the back burner to a degree. Look for Denver to continue to pile on the points, then to try and close out the game with their traditional zone attack. That’s not to say you’ll see a major shift, but getting the ball in the hands of Marshall and Royal will become the primary focus as the weeks wear on. Charger OLB Jyles Tucker (replacing the injured Merriman) lost contain when he slammed down into the line off the backside and Selvin Young broke back to the outside on a 49 yard scamper (second and 24) to set up a second-quarter Broncos field goal.


KEY #4 was to be the play of Denver’s defensive front. With the game turning into an all-out “blitzkrieg” affair, San Diego shifted away from the run in the first half. They did, however, mix in a good compliment of the ground game with the pass in the third and fourth quarters and were able to shake free RB’s Darren Sproles and Mike Tolbert (Tolbert on a short pass he turned into a 67 yard gain). Though not able to really blow Denver’s front four off the ball, the Chargers O-Line tied them up just enough to allow their backs to get to LB level. I thought the Broncos were then exposed with some bad inside fits, questionable speed in the open field, and poor tackling in space. Sproles showed susceptibility of the Denver defense in corralling his quickness and speed at the second level. However I continue to like the move of D.J. Williams back to his natural weakside position. His short-area quickness and ability to flow to the ball created some nice plays behind the line of scrimmage.



KEY #5 was the tackling of Bronco coverage units, and they didn’t let me down. Sproles took back a kick return 103 yards for a score that tightened things up after Denver jumped out to a 21-3 lead. But. in fairness, the Broncos were without special teams standouts LB Louis Green and S Hamza Abdullah. San Diego kicker Nate Kaeding out “touchbacked” Denver’s Matt Prater, 6 to 1.

That's about the only comment that deserves mention.

The rest of the stuff you could have gotten from any good poster here if they had watched the game and had access to the play by play/and box score.

For a guy who spent years in the FO Sundquist doesn't reveal any real insight. The kind of stuff insiders and coaches and personnel guys should know like which player dominated his matchup and how. Not just regurgitating obvious stuff.

If this if the level of insight he has into two teams he should be intimately familiar with then no wonder this has been got sh*t canned and couldn't latch onto a job anywhere in the NFL.

gyldenlove
09-17-2008, 12:23 PM
That's about the only comment that deserves mention.

The rest of the stuff you could have gotten from any good poster here if they had watched the game and had access to the play by play/and box score.

For a guy who spent years in the FO Sundquist doesn't reveal any real insight. The kind of stuff insiders and coaches and personnel guys should know like which player dominated his matchup and how. Not just regurgitating obvious stuff.

If this if the level of insight he has into two teams he should be intimately familiar with then no wonder this has been got sh*t canned and couldn't latch onto a job anywhere in the NFL.

If you hold any dreams of being hired by another NFL organization the last thing you want to do is reveal inside info. If he gets a rep that he will spill the beans for a little air time, nobody will ever again hire him.

I think he played this one just right, he is not divulging anything of importance but shows enough understanding and background to be exhaustive.

Atlas
09-17-2008, 12:43 PM
Nate Webster is ****ing horrible. It was painful watching him play this past Sunday. The pass to Tolbert, the big runs, the Sproles TD catch where he looked like a deer in headlights, blah.

Webster saved the TD on the pass to Tolbert by pushing him out of bounds. By the way Boss was supposed to be covering Tolbert on that play but he lost his jock.

That play by Webster probably saved the game for Denver, since the Bolts ended up settleing for a FG.

nickademus
09-17-2008, 02:22 PM
We wouldn't have to worry about overpursuit if Niko started, he's too damn slow to get past a RB. At the same time, I'd prefer a slow guy who can slap at some ankles as he's diving. Beats seeing Webster thrown off 100% by the slightest stutter step.

That and I doubt that you are going to find Niko out of possition as often as Webster is. Webster thinks he can compensate with his speed and athleticism but none of that counts when you cant wrap a cheese burger let alone a tackle. I am pulling for Niko hard and next year it wont matter because I would bet anything we are going mlb in round 1.

tsiguy96
09-17-2008, 04:26 PM
whats funny to me is champ is no longer the most talented player on this roster. there is now 2 players above him, jay and bmarsh...

listopencil
09-17-2008, 05:52 PM
That's about the only comment that deserves mention.

The rest of the stuff you could have gotten from any good poster here if they had watched the game and had access to the play by play/and box score.

For a guy who spent years in the FO Sundquist doesn't reveal any real insight. The kind of stuff insiders and coaches and personnel guys should know like which player dominated his matchup and how. Not just regurgitating obvious stuff.

If this if the level of insight he has into two teams he should be intimately familiar with then no wonder this has been got sh*t canned and couldn't latch onto a job anywhere in the NFL.


Yep. Nothing insightful and his piece was poorly written. If anything this makes me glad that he's not making decisions for the Broncos.

listopencil
09-17-2008, 05:53 PM
Webster saved the TD on the pass to Tolbert by pushing him out of bounds. By the way Boss was supposed to be covering Tolbert on that play but he lost his jock.

That play by Webster probably saved the game for Denver, since the Bolts ended up settleing for a FG.

I told a guy at work today that we have The Speed Bump Defense. We don't stop anybody, we just try to slow them down.

*Famous*
09-17-2008, 06:45 PM
I wish we would move WWIII over to MLB and give him a shot! He knows how to tackle, thats for sure

cutthemdown
09-17-2008, 07:28 PM
But Brees is better than Rivers....

and Boss is still Boss. Boss made Tolbert look like an all-pro.

god he was bad on that play. He stands there in his zone, then doesn't react at all to FB out of backfield, is out of position when FB makes catch, then shows no ability to make up for it and the FB goes for a huge run.

Honestly I think Winborn is better then him.

Atlas
09-18-2008, 03:12 AM
I told a guy at work today that we have The Speed Bump Defense. We don't stop anybody, we just try to slow them down.

Well, if they can slow the opposing offense down to 65 while Cutler and gang are going 80 that would be a good thing.

BowlenBall
09-18-2008, 03:31 AM
That's about the only comment that deserves mention.

The rest of the stuff you could have gotten from any good poster here if they had watched the game and had access to the play by play/and box score.

For a guy who spent years in the FO Sundquist doesn't reveal any real insight. The kind of stuff insiders and coaches and personnel guys should know like which player dominated his matchup and how. Not just regurgitating obvious stuff.

If this if the level of insight he has into two teams he should be intimately familiar with then no wonder this has been got sh*t canned and couldn't latch onto a job anywhere in the NFL.

The article's not written for Broncos obsessives like us -- it's written for a national audience.

My take is that it's validation of what many of us have been saying on the Mane for the last two weeks -- if a disgruntled former employee can write a fairly complimentary article about the team, then maybe this team is on the upswing. Ted's certainly no homer, you know....

fontaine
09-18-2008, 07:52 AM
If you hold any dreams of being hired by another NFL organization the last thing you want to do is . . . work for an online rumor based website like PFT.

There, fixed it for you!
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