I like Palin, but I still have issues with McCain

[Kaylore]

This is primarily a thread targeted at Conservatives, but anyone is free to share their input. I just don't get a great feeling about McCain. I didn't like him before and while I think Palin is fun and a great pick, I'm not voting for her to be president, I'm picking between McCain and Obama or wasting my vote on a third party candidate. Am I the only one who still has serious misgivings about this guy? He's just too angry, old and self-serving for my taste. He could be running with Abraham Lincoln and the problem would be the same.

Thoughts?

[TailgateNut]

Palin is FUN??? Wtf is that??? A characteristic we should look for in a VP candidate. FUN???

Our country deserves/ needs someone at the helm who is intelligent 1st.

I'm not looking to shoot the **** with our president, I want Him/Her to get to work and fix the mess we are in.

[Garcia Bronco]

I don't like McCain either. IMO, Romney was the only choice. Right now I am leaning toward Obama, but that could change tomorrow. If I could put anyone in the Whitehouse, I would put myself there.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Our country deserves/ needs someone at the helm who is intelligent 1st.


QFT.

Not to mention someone whose grasp of foreign policy extends beyond "you can see Russia from parts of Alaska."

[Rohirrim]

The major problem with McCain, IMO, is that he has sold out so completely to get the nomination that he no longer even faintly resembles the man he was 8 years ago. He's still trying to market himself as "the maverick" but it reminds me of GM coming out and saying "Our Chevy is a better buy than a Toyota." :pity:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The major problem with McCain, IMO, is that he has sold out so completely to get the nomination that he no longer even faintly resembles the man he was 8 years ago. He's still trying to market himself as "the maverick" but it reminds me of GM coming out and saying "Our Chevy is a better buy than a Toyota." :pity:

Yep.

The guy has flip-flopped so many times on so many different issues I don't think he even knows who he is anymore.

[Mr.Meanie]

I don't like McCain either. IMO, Romney was the only choice.

I agree :thumbs:

[SoCalBronco]

This is primarily a thread targeted at Conservatives, but anyone is free to share their input. I just don't get a great feeling about McCain. I didn't like him before and while I think Palin is fun and a great pick, I'm not voting for her to be president, I'm picking between McCain and Obama or wasting my vote on a third party candidate. Am I the only one who still has serious misgivings about this guy? He's just too angry, old and self-serving for my taste. He could be running with Abraham Lincoln and the problem would be the same.

Thoughts?

How can you have misgivings about McCain when Aaron Francisco is endorsing him?

In any case, if you have serious disagreements with him or don't feel comfortable with him, don't vote for him. Vote for whoever you feel would be the best, even if you have to write that person in.

[Kaylore]

The major problem with McCain, IMO, is that he has sold out so completely to get the nomination that he no longer even faintly resembles the man he was 8 years ago. He's still trying to market himself as "the maverick" but it reminds me of GM coming out and saying "Our Chevy is a better buy than a Toyota." :pity:

I think everything he's said is total crap to get the nomination. I don't believe he's going to be any different than the guy who's been in office for a thousand years. And sadly that's why I can't see myself endorsing him. I know who he really is.

[TailgateNut]

How can you have misgivings about McCain when Aaron Francisco is endorsing him?

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Just think ECONOMY, WARS and TAX CUTS in the same sentence!

[Rohirrim]

I think everything he's said is total crap to get the nomination. I don't believe he's going to be any different than the guy who's been in office for a thousand years. And sadly that's why I can't see myself endorsing him. I know who he really is.

Nice sig, Khan. Except that Hamilton looks like he's getting tazed. :rofl:

[BroncoBuff]

Nice sig, Khan. Except that Hamilton looks like he's getting tazed. :rofl:
Notice how the five guys get progressively larger from left to right Uhh

[BroncoBuff]

I think everything he's said is total crap to get the nomination. I don't believe he's going to be any different than the guy who's been in office for a thousand years. And sadly that's why I can't see myself endorsing him. I know who he really is.
Yes, true. I get the impression he's decided to do whatever it takes to win, ergo Rove disciple Steve Schmidt is on board slinging mud. McCain himself undoubtedly dislikes the strategy, but he's rationalizing it's the only way to win.

The further things go, the more and more I'm worried about his age and his cancer ... especially in that he's chosen a poorly qualified VP. The presidency greatly ages a person, and while I like Palin's personal story somewhat, I am 100% uncomfortable with the idea of her as president. McCain never had a shot at my vote, but that's my honest appraisal.

[gyldenlove]

This is primarily a thread targeted at Conservatives, but anyone is free to share their input. I just don't get a great feeling about McCain. I didn't like him before and while I think Palin is fun and a great pick, I'm not voting for her to be president, I'm picking between McCain and Obama or wasting my vote on a third party candidate. Am I the only one who still has serious misgivings about this guy? He's just too angry, old and self-serving for my taste. He could be running with Abraham Lincoln and the problem would be the same.

Thoughts?

You have a lot to learn about voting like a true American my friend, you need to just sit on your vote and go drinking in the evening and talk about how you meant to vote but plumb forgot. All your dilemmas will go away and in a couple of years when it turns out they screwed the pooch and picked the wrong president you can sit back and say, well at least I didn't for that jerk.

[Rohirrim]

Notice how the five guys get progressively larger from left to right Uhh

Clady is the new predator. ;D

[Rohirrim]

Yes, true. I get the impression he's decided to do whatever it takes to win, ergo Rove disciple Steve Schmidt is on board slinging mud. McCain himself undoubtedly dislikes the strategy, but he's rationalizing it's the only way to win.

The further things go, the more and more I'm worried about his age and his cancer ... especially in that he's chosen a poorly qualified VP. The presidency greatly ages a person, and while I like Palin's personal story somewhat, I am 100% uncomfortable with the idea of her as president. McCain never had a shot at my vote, but that's my honest appraisal.

What I can't believe is that he hired Eskew, one of the guys who ran the "black baby" smear campaign against him in S. Carolina 8 years ago. That just boggles my mind. I could see if he punched his lights out, but hire him? ???

[BroncoBuff]

What I can't believe is that he hired Eskew, one of the guys who ran the "black baby" smear campaign against him in S. Carolina 8 years ago. That just boggles my mind. I could see if he punched his lights out, but hire him? ???
I didn't know that. It's all rationalization I think: "how can I do all the great things I want to do for America if I'm not elected first?" Ergo, whatever it takes to get there.

Why NOT vote McCain? Let me count the reasons ....
He's too old ...

His health is too poor ...

His campaign is all lobbyists ...

His 5 1/2 years of prison and torture are a red flag against him ...

He's too uninformed (e.g. Sunni vs Shi'a) ...

He's WAY too Bush ...

His VP nominee is scary-unqualified ...

The new Cheney - Phil Gramm - is in his inner circle.

Done.

[defenseman]

I didn't know that. It's all rationalization I think: "how can I do all the great things I want to do for America if I'm not elected first?" Ergo, whatever it takes to get there.

Why NOT vote McCain? Let me count the reasons ....
He's too old ...

His health is too poor ...

His campaign is all lobbyists ...

His 5 1/2 years of prison and torture are a red flag against him ...

He's too uninformed (e.g. Sunni vs Shi'a) ...

He's WAY too Bush ...

His VP nominee is scary-unqualified ...

The new Cheney - Phil Gramm - is in his inner circle.

Done.

Oops...you made a mistake, the dem pres nominee is scary-unqualified, just another empty suit who can give a speech, that's about it.....done...dman

[Drek]

Oops...you made a mistake, the dem pres nominee is scary-unqualified, just another empty suit who can give a speech, that's about it.....done...dman

First in his class at Harvard Law.

First African American Editor of the Harvard Law Review.

Two time NY Times best selling author.

12 years practicing constitutional law.

8 years in the Illinois senate where he chaired multiple major committees.

4 years in the U.S. senate where he is a member of the foreign relations committee, environmental and public works committee, and veterans rights committee.

Wrote and passed more meritorious legislation in four years than arguably any other senator in congress, despite junior status.

Yeah, grossly unqualified. Not like a woman who bounced around five schools before getting her bachelors, was the major of a town smaller than the number of people a 23 year old Obama was finding jobs for in a month's span of time, and is now governor of a state with less people than Obama's state congressional district.

Oh, and she's hired administrators at each step to handle the actual heavy lifting at all political stops, and has been accused and investigated for abuse of office powers twice now.

I think Palin is fun and a great pick

I'm sorry but you obviously aren't voting for the right reasons.

Fun?

How fun is it going to be when she and McCain (both have similarly horrible economic backgrounds and ideas) continues to let the SEC and Dept. of the Interior be on the take?

How fun is it going to be when Putin can outmaneuver her (and McCain) without breaking a sweat?

I'm sure it'll be real fun to see billions a week being sent to Iraq, Iran, and Georgia so we can fight wars with people on the basis of ideological differences.

Yeah, I get such a thrill out of American Imperialism and having said "Empire" ran by the "average American". Because "average Americans" make so many smart choices. Like sub-prime mortgages. Two terms for Bush. Buying SUVs with no regard to the environmental or fuel impact only to have it bite them in the ass down the road. Need I go on?

It amazes me how strongly people revolt against having a national leader who is *GASP* smarter than us.

[Spider]

Oops...you made a mistake, the dem pres nominee is scary-unqualified, just another empty suit who can give a speech, that's about it.....done...dman

LOL empty suit ........ I noticed you didnt touch on any issues , we both know that was done on purpose .......
well for the economy vote democrat ....... http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=71706 or continue on watching your country go down the sh*tter cause you want to believe rhetoric .......... I always presumed a service man would put country first over party ......

[defenseman]

LOL empty suit ........ I noticed you didnt touch on any issues , we both know that was done on purpose .......
well for the economy vote democrat ....... http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=71706 or continue on watching your country go down the sh*tter cause you want to believe rhetoric .......... I always presumed a service man would put country first over party ......

I'd be wasting my time expounding. Let it be said though, "harvard" anything, especially the way you lefties toss around his supposed record, hurts him, it doesn't help. He obviously considers himself one of the "elite" as do lots of you consider his elite. Trust me, he's not. He is what he is, alot of talk, and a very empty suit, unable to make the tough decision when the time comes, unable to seperate himself from his elitists allegiances to do the right thing. Simple as that..dman

*WHO ran his committee to pick his VP running mate? Any guesses out there? He's right there with McCain on some questionable picks in his campaign. They both have that problem.

[TheDave]

I'd be wasting my time expounding. Let it be said though, "harvard" anything, especially the way you lefties toss around his supposed record, hurts him, it doesn't help... blah blah blah..dman

You got your ass kicked by a harvard grad at some point... didn't you?

[defenseman]

LOL empty suit ........ I noticed you didnt touch on any issues , we both know that was done on purpose .......
well for the economy vote democrat ....... http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=71706 or continue on watching your country go down the sh*tter cause you want to believe rhetoric .......... I always presumed a service man would put country first over party ......

Your assuming I believe OBAMA puts country first? He doesn't , and neither does his wife. Where I come from, no matter what happens, you always love your country. I simply don't believe either of them feel that way. She as much admitted it on a national level for the entire country to see, and I took her word on it. She's done, and since she wears the pants in the family, he's done.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You got your ass kicked by a harvard grad at some point... didn't you?

:giggle:

[defenseman]

You got your ass kicked by a harvard grad at some point... didn't you?

Nope, have never lost a fight since I got whooped when I was 11 yrs old. School affiliation means nothing to me, what you do with an education does. I've known my share of harvard grads who were quite honestly, worthless, but, they sure were elitist. So, the harvard grad crap means nada to me..dman

*Don't get me wrong, I'm sure he's intelligent. However, actions speak to me, not education.

[BroncoBuff]

First in his class at Harvard Law.

First African American Editor of the Harvard Law Review.

Two time NY Times best selling author.

12 years practicing constitutional law.

8 years in the Illinois senate where he chaired multiple major committees.

4 years in the U.S. senate where he is a member of the foreign relations committee, environmental and public works committee, and veterans rights committee.

Wrote and passed more meritorious legislation in four years than arguably any other senator in congress, despite junior status.
Nice compilation!

I posted this before, but it bears repeating: Law Review is not some kind of "club" any law student can join. You generally must be in the top 5% of your freshman class to be nominated to join, and must distinguish yourself greatly in year 2 to be considered for an editor position. Make no mistake, being editor of the Harvard Law Review qualifies you as a world class intellect ... it is an astonishingly competitive environment (remember Paper Chase?)

Obama could've breezed into a SCOTUS clerkship for any of the center-left justices, and then on to a federal judgship ... or a 6-figure salary with a fast-track to a 7-figure partnership at most any elite national law firm. Instead, he worked for $12,500 as a community organizer, and then in the Illinois state assembly. He was "drafted" to run for Senate when the then Illinois senator (name?) was ousted in a scandal.

dman may have a point in that Obama waiting for 2012 or 16 might have been more prudent, but that is definitely NOT a good reason to vote for McCain :nono:

[TheDave]

Nope, have never lost a fight since I got whooped when I was 11 yrs old. School affiliation means nothing to me, what you do with an education does. I've known my share of harvard grads who were quite honestly, worthless, but, they sure were elitist. So, the harvard grad crap means nada to me..dman

*Don't get me wrong, I'm sure he's intelligent. However, actions speak to me, not education.


He was #1 in his Harvard LAW class... that goes way beyond "I'm sure he's intelligent".

Just a little something i live by... When i have a choice between 2 people and 1 is significantly smaryter than the other. I always go with the smart guy. Hasn't led me wrong yet.

[Bronco Bob]

Nope, have never lost a fight since I got whooped when I was 11 yrs old. School affiliation means nothing to me, what you do with an education does. I've known my share of harvard grads who were quite honestly, worthless, but, they sure were elitist. So, the harvard grad crap means nada to me..dman

*Don't get me wrong, I'm sure he's intelligent. However, actions speak to me, not education.

Let's put it this way about the elites. If you needed brain surgery,
would you have one of your old Navy drinking buddies do the
surgery, or would you have someone who graduated from an
elite medical school slice your head open? Let's even level it up
a bit, say this old Navy buddy was a Hospital Corpsman 3rd class.
Would you still not want the graduate of the elite medical school?
To me McCain is the old drinking buddy, Obama is the brain surgeon.

[Kaylore]

Hilarious! BABronco neg reped me with "A third party vote is not wasted!"

Yeah it's vote for your opponents. Good point.:~ohyah!:

[ScottXray]

Your assuming I believe OBAMA puts country first? He doesn't , and neither does his wife. Where I come from, no matter what happens, you always love your country. I simply don't believe either of them feel that way. She as much admitted it on a national level for the entire country to see, and I took her word on it. She's done, and since she wears the pants in the family, he's done.

There is a difference between love and Pride. You can love your child, that makes a horrible decision and say kills someone drunk driving, and not be Proud of it.

You can be Proud of the troops who serve and go time and again to far off lands, and LOVE your country, but NOT be proud of invading a country that had done nothing concrete to deserve that invasion.

You can LOVE your country, but be ashamed to have a President who hasn't earned the respect that office holds, and has violated his oath of office repeatedly.

You need to differentiate and use a dictionary, then look up what was actually said by Michelle Obama. She never said she didn't love her country.