Ticking Time Bomb Explodes, Public Is Shocked

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Ticking Time Bomb Explodes, Public Is Shocked

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Ticking Time Bomb Explodes, Public Is Shocked
By Robert Higgs on Sep 10, 2008 in Budget and Tax Policy, Economics, Elections, Healthcare, Housing, Politics, the State

The failure of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, setting in motion the biggest government bailout/takeover in U.S. history, brings a grim sense of fulfillment to competent economists. After all, what did people expect, that water would flow uphill forever?

This financial mega-mess is the same sort of event as the collapse of the USSR’s centrally planned economy, another economically unworkable Rube Goldberg apparatus that was kept going, more or less badly, for decades before it fell apart completely. Along the way, of course, famous (yet actually unsound) economists assured the world that everything was working out splendidly. As late as 1989, when the pillars were crumbling on all sides of the temple, Nobel Prize winner Paul A. Samuelson informed readers of his widely used textbook, “The Soviet economy is proof that . . . a socialist command economy can function and even thrive.”

In the future, we will see a similar breakdown of the U.S. government’s Social Security system, with its ill-fated pension system and its even more inauspicious Medicare system of financing health care for the elderly. These government schemes are fighting a losing battle against demographic realities, the laws of economics, and the rules of arithmetic. The question is not whether they will fail, but when—and then how the government that can no longer sustain them in their previous Ponzi-scheme form will alter them to salvage what little can be salvaged with minimal damage to the government itself.

Our political economy is rife with such catastrophes in waiting, yet the public always seems startled, and outraged, when the day of reckoning can no longer be deferred, and another apartment collapses in the state’s Hotel of Impossible Promises, loading onto the taxpayers more visibly the burden of sheltering the previous occupants.

Each of these time bombs has at least one element in common: it promises current benefits, often seemingly without cost; but if it must acknowledge a substantial cost, it places that burden somewhere in the distant future, where it will be borne by somebody else. From the standpoint of society in general, every such scheme is a species of eating the seed corn. It satisfies the public’s appetite to consume something for nothing right now, with no thought for the morrow. It represents the height of irresponsibility by permitting people to live higher today than they can truly afford, financing this profligacy by borrowing recklessly and by taxing politically weak and ill-organized people in order to shower benefits on politically strong and well-organized special interests.

Call it democracy in action or utterly corrupt governance; they are the same thing.

The architecture of the Hotel of Impossible Promises is not arcane. All competent economists understand these things. Ludwig von Mises explained as early as 1920 why a centrally planned economy could not work as a rational system of allocating resources. The reasons why Social Security, especially its Medicare component, and many other such government programs contain the seeds of their own destruction have been explained time and again. Are the politicians who construct these structures really such idiots that they cannot understand the logic of what they are doing?

Not at all. But they are not striving to create economically viable institutions that serve the general public interest; they are feathering their own electoral nests in the only way they can in the context of our political institutions. As H. L. Mencken explained back in 1940, the politicians “will all promise every man, woman and child in the country whatever he, she or it wants. They’ll all be roving the land looking for chances to make the rich poor, to remedy the irremediable, to succor the unsuccorable, to unscramble the unscrambleable, to dephlogisticate the undephlogisticable,” because they understand that “votes are collared under democracy, not by talking sense but by talking nonsense.”

And are members of the public so dense that they will fall for such promises? Yes. Moreover, they are greedy, impatient, and immoral, because the present benefits they hope to gain via politics, however unsustainable in the long run, come entirely at the expense of the taxpayers from whom the government extorts its revenues.

“Politics, under democracy,” Mencken wrote more than 80 years ago, “resolves itself into impossible alternatives. Whatever the label on the parties, or the war cries issuing from the demagogues who lead them, the practical choice is between the plutocracy on the one side and a rabble of preposterous impossibilists on the other.” And in a declaration even apter now than it was at the time, he concluded that what democracy “needs beyond everything is a party of liberty.”

The trouble is, however, that now, even more than then, the American people have little interest in liberty. Instead, they want the impossible: home ownership for those who cannot afford homes, credit for those who are not creditworthy, old-age pensions for those who have not saved, health care for those who make no attempt to keep themselves healthy, and college educations for those who lack the wit to finish high school. Moreover, they want it now, and they want somebody else to pay for it.

If you think that Fannie and Freddie’s bust is a big deal, just wait until Medicare comes crashing down. Then, the wailing and gnashing of teeth will be truly unbearable. As that day rapidly approaches, however, you’ll notice that the politicians are doing utterly nothing to forestall it.

http://www.independent.org/blog/?p=186

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I wonder if "Robert Higgs" is Grover Norquist's pen name?

Same anti-democracy/pro-corporatocracy/"free market as government" propaganda.

When Reagan took office, Social Security and the other public trust funds were fully funded.

The Reagan administration devised the scam that the new robber barons of the right have been perpetuating since the 80s: Loot, sack, pillage, and do everything possible to undermine or destabilize programs like Social Security, and, when they break down, claim their insolvency or failure is attributable to some flaw in the programs' original conception or design.

Pretty clever scam.

Note: I don't deny the validity of a great deal of the following:

The trouble is, however, that now, even more than then, the American people have little interest in liberty. Instead, they want the impossible: home ownership for those who cannot afford homes, credit for those who are not creditworthy, old-age pensions for those who have not saved, health care for those who make no attempt to keep themselves healthy, and college educations for those who lack the wit to finish high school. Moreover, they want it now, and they want somebody else to pay for it.

The problem, however, is that the foregoing becomes an excuse to throw the proverbial baby out with the bathwater for the anti-democracy right - and those citizens who work hard and play by the rules are punished along with the seekers of free rides and immediate gratification.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Public is shocked? I'd venture a guess that the "Public" (in general doesn't care or is even interested).

[NYBronco]

As a member of the public I am not shocked. And when the government bails out the automobile industry next I will be even less shocked.

I will be shocked if and when the government extends tax credits for alternative energy R & D before it expires at the end of this year.

[W*GS]

Great article - lays waste to the left's unending advocacy of nanny government and how and why it inevitably doesn't work.

No wonder LABF has had an aneurysm. He ought to know his ideology is a lie, but denial is a powerful strategy to protect one's dogmatic health.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

:laugh:

The only thing it "lays to waste" is the supposition that W*GS has a clue what America was like before the Reagan revolution.

[W*GS]

I know full well - quit playing the old man routine.

Besides, nostalgia for the past is a rightard trait. Since when do you find anything worth borrowing from that worthless ideology?

[Rohirrim]

At the same time the Libertarian Party is warning us against doing anything for the poor because it negatively impacts the tax load they are also arguing that we should do nothing about global warming because it will negatively affect markets. I sometimes wonder how the Libertarians envision the perfect human living in the perfect system. I assume it looks something like this:
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h199/jandkatlarge/Robertreduced.jpg

[W*GS]

Coupla big straw men you got yourself killed there, Ro. Here's the left's vision of perfect humanity:

http://www2.qeliz.ac.uk/psychology/images/conformity.jpg

All the same, and all needing a shepherd to tell them what to do and how to live...

[Rohirrim]

Coupla big straw men you got yourself killed there, Ro. Here's the left's vision of perfect humanity:

All the same, and all needing a shepherd to tell them what to do and how to live...

Both pictures illustrate extremes: One, individuality taken to the extreme and the other the lack of individuality taken to the extreme. Humans are social animals. What has allowed us to survive until now is our social structures. Since Plato we have asked, "What is the perfect government?" We still haven't gotten it right. We're still working on it, but I doubt we'll find the answer in the extremes. Can man live without a state? Can he survive without a community? The Founders compromise was that we would have a state, but that we would control it. Somewhere along the line, we lost that control, if we ever had it. So to me, that's the ideal: The people control the state. For that ideal to happen, we need a highly educated populace that takes responsibility for government. Seems to me, if this current presidential campaign is any indication, we're headed in the opposite direction from that.

Unfortunately, the idea of the "stateless" man is as utopian as Marx's classless society.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

At the same time the Libertarian Party is warning us against doing anything for the poor because it negatively impacts the tax load they are also arguing that we should do nothing about global warming because it will negatively affect markets. I sometimes wonder how the Libertarians envision the perfect human living in the perfect system. I assume it looks something like this:
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h199/jandkatlarge/Robertreduced.jpg

Ha!

[Rohirrim]

As far as TJ's post goes, here's the crushing reality. There is a working American family. They are making enough to get by, provide themselves housing, food, clothing, transportation and pay their taxes, but they can't afford health care. It's too expensive. One day, the Dad develops testicular cancer. It has nothing to do with his lifestyle, just some random mutation of cells. So, he goes to the hospital.

The community provides for the existence of the hospital through a combination of donations, taxation (city, state and federal) and billing (ie. insurance). So Dad gets treated, the treatment is successful and he goes back home and back to work. Obviously, he can't pay the entire bill, only part of it, and because he doesn't meet the eligibility requirements for the various (because of his income) available health care programs offered by the city, state or federal government, the hospital requires that he only pay a percentage of his bill. The rest, they spread across their billing structure (which is what all the hospitals do) and make up for in other ways which leads to another rise in health care costs which put more people in Dad's situation, unable to pay for health care. Of course, a percentage of their patient's ARE eligible for SSI, Medicare and Medicaid, which only pays a limited percentage of actual medical costs, but it's better than nothing and is also another element that keeps the hospital afloat.

Meanwhile, the city, state and federal governments (plus donors) continue to chip in to keep the hospital afloat because there are plenty of other "Dads" out there coming in for treatment without insurance, but the community has decided (collectively) that a hospital is a basic need of the entire community.

What does the Libertarian Party suggest we do? Allow the hospital to close? Allow "Dad" to go untreated until he dies? Tell Dad that he and his family should put health care before the basic necessities or else suffer the consequences? The Libertarian Party is long on philosophy, but very short when it comes to solving concrete problems. That's the luxury of being on the sidelines. It's easy to criticize.

[gunns]

Coupla big straw men you got yourself killed there, Ro. Here's the left's vision of perfect humanity:

http://www2.qeliz.ac.uk/psychology/images/conformity.jpg

All the same, and all needing a shepherd to tell them what to do and how to live...

Aren't those the one's that voted for Bush in 2004?

[sisterhellfyre]

What does the Libertarian Party suggest we do? Allow the hospital to close? Allow "Dad" to go untreated until he dies? Tell Dad that he and his family should put health care before the basic necessities or else suffer the consequences? The Libertarian Party is long on philosophy, but very short when it comes to solving concrete problems. That's the luxury of being on the sidelines. It's easy to criticize.

Mornin', Roh --

I saw Bob Barr interviewed by Lou Dobbs the other day. Lou asked what Bob would do about the war in Iraq, and I was really impressed by Bob's answer. He said that regardless of how you assign fault or blame for the decisions to go into Iraq or how to conduct the war, the simple fact remains that we're there now. The question before us now is to find an efficient, responsible way to clean up our mess, get out, and bring our troops home.

That sounds like a great way to address Social Security, Medicare, and probably a whole bunch of other issues too. We can probably concede the point that at least some of the government's functions in our society are outside the constitutional boundaries. The more important question is the pragmatic one: what shall we do about it now?

Just for an example, it's probably not enough to just axe, say, the Departments of Transportation, Education or Energy and eliminate them tomorrow (as Reagan originally argued). We need to assess, in the most brutal, honest, and objective terms possible, just what they do. How many or which of those functions are crucial to the workings of our society? How many or which functions simply provide cushy jobs for bureaucrats? Find or create ways to preserve the former functions, and roll them over into sustainable private enterprises under government charters (which can be revoked and opened up again to renewed competition in case of fraud, abuse or failure to purpose), and eliminate en masse all the latter functions.

Regards,
m.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

What does the Libertarian Party suggest we do? Allow the hospital to close? Allow "Dad" to go untreated until he dies? Tell Dad that he and his family should put health care before the basic necessities or else suffer the consequences?


That's exactly what people like W*GS are suggesting - even though they seldom say so explicitly.

These people simply do not give a sh*t about the sort of social and economic problems you described unless such problems affect them personally (and then they cry to the government to bail them out.)


The Libertarian Party is long on philosophy, but very short when it comes to solving concrete problems. That's the luxury of being on the sidelines. It's easy to criticize.

Bingo.

And most of the philosophy is nothing but ivory tower, fairy tale bullsh*t.

[Rohirrim]

Mornin', Roh --

I saw Bob Barr interviewed by Lou Dobbs the other day. Lou asked what Bob would do about the war in Iraq, and I was really impressed by Bob's answer. He said that regardless of how you assign fault or blame for the decisions to go into Iraq or how to conduct the war, the simple fact remains that we're there now. The question before us now is to find an efficient, responsible way to clean up our mess, get out, and bring our troops home.

That sounds like a great way to address Social Security, Medicare, and probably a whole bunch of other issues too. We can probably concede the point that at least some of the government's functions in our society are outside the constitutional boundaries. The more important question is the pragmatic one: what shall we do about it now?

Just for an example, it's probably not enough to just axe, say, the Departments of Transportation, Education or Energy and eliminate them tomorrow (as Reagan originally argued). We need to assess, in the most brutal, honest, and objective terms possible, just what they do. How many or which of those functions are crucial to the workings of our society? How many or which functions simply provide cushy jobs for bureaucrats? Find or create ways to preserve the former functions, and roll them over into sustainable private enterprises under government charters (which can be revoked and opened up again to renewed competition in case of fraud, abuse or failure to purpose), and eliminate en masse all the latter functions.

Regards,
m.

Personally, I'm not on the Reagan side of the equation that says, "Government is the problem." That's just too simplistic. I'm more on the Gore side that says, "Government can be made to work." The only reason it's not doing a good job now is because both sides of the aisle, corporations, the military, and many Americans, treat it like their personal cash cow.

[W*GS]

That's exactly what people like W*GS are suggesting - even though they seldom say so explicitly.

These people simply do not give a sh*t about the sort of social and economic problems you described unless such problems affect them personally (and then they cry to the government to bail them out.)

Here's LABF's vision of the perfect society:

http://lazerbrody.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/04/30/holocaust.jpg

He won't say so explicitly, but it's where his ideology goes...

[Rohirrim]

Here's LABF's vision of the perfect society:


He won't say so explicitly, but it's where his ideology goes...

That was completely uncalled for. Talk about going over the top. Or is that below the belt? You should delete that. Not only is it an extremely disturbing image, but it's mindlessly provocative and wrong. The Nazis were just as dedicated to the murder of Leftists as they were to the murder of Jews.

[Spider]

Here's LABF's vision of the perfect society:


He won't say so explicitly, but it's where his ideology goes...

Ya sick bastard ......... totally uncalled for ...... but remember this next time you try and take the high road

[W*GS]

Poor, poor, LABF.

He needs his friends to fight for him - and to cover for him when he calls me, and many others, "psychopaths", "Bush blowers", and a whole litany of other cheap shots, slurs, and smears.

One of us fights back, and now LABF is the victim. Of his own medicine.

How's it taste?

[Spider]

Poor, poor, LABF.

He needs his friends to fight for him - and to cover for him when he calls me, and many others, "psychopaths", "Bush blowers", and a whole litany of other cheap shots, slurs, and smears.

One of us fights back, and now LABF is the victim. Of his own medicine.

How's it taste?

you stupid bastard , this isnt about defending LABF , you retard , it is about that picture ........you can fight back all you want , but posting a picture of a Mother holding her child while getting MURDERED is wrong ........ you ****ed up , step up and do the right thing

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

That was completely uncalled for. Talk about going over the top. Or is that below the belt? You should delete that. Not only is it an extremely disturbing image, but it's mindlessly provocative and wrong. The Nazis were just as dedicated to the murder of Leftists as they were to the murder of Jews.

This certainly wouldn't be the first time W*GS' has "gone over the top" on this forum.

It just shows his desperation: His morally bankrupt ideology has (thanks to the implosion of the neocons and the radical right) been exposed for the cruel hoax it really is - and W*GS can't lie, deflect and spin fast enough to divert our collective attention from the man behind the curtain.

The scary part, IMO, is that he makes no distinction between Stalin and Gandhi in his blind hatred of anything he perceives as "socialism."

[W*GS]

you stupid bastard , this isnt about defending LABF , you retard , it is about that picture ........you can fight back all you want , but posting a picture of a Mother holding her child while getting MURDERED is wrong ........ you ****ed up , step up and do the right thing

LABF promotes the same ****ing ideology, Spider.

The depth of his venom and his hatred would allow him to do exactly what the Nazi is doing, if LABF was convinced the mother and her child were right-wingers. He says with his words the exact same thing that the Nazi is pictured doing. The level of his contempt is disgusting. He'd just as soon eliminate everyone whose political beliefs don't match his own - witness all the times he's laid into newcomers without the faintest clue as to what they believe.

[Spider]

LABF promotes the same ****ing ideology, Spider.

The depth of his venom and his hatred would allow him to do exactly what the Nazi is doing, if LABF was convinced the mother and her child were right-wingers. He says with his words the exact same thing that the Nazi is pictured doing. The level of his contempt is disgusting. He'd just as soon eliminate everyone whose political beliefs don't match his own - witness all the times he's laid into newcomers without the faintest clue as to what they believe.

I dont give a **** , the picture is wrong ....... you cant spin it away ..... you know my opinion of bush , do you see me posting pictures of Dead Iraqi Children ? ....... you need to step back and think long and hard .......it is time you stop Blaming LABF and accept responsibility for that picture .....

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

you stupid bastard , this isnt about defending LABF , you retard , it is about that picture ........you can fight back all you want , but posting a picture of a Mother holding her child while getting MURDERED is wrong ........ you ****ed up , step up and do the right thing

Yep - posting that picture just confirms what I've always said about W*GS being a poster boy for arrested moral development.

The irony is that it's really a projection on his part.

That is, the picture is a perfect symbol for W*GS' philosophy re: how our government should deal with people in America who are old, sick, disabled, or disadvantaged in any way.

[W*GS]

This certainly wouldn't be the first time W*GS' has "gone over the top" on this forum.

This from the guy who can't have enough cheap shots, slurs, and smears against others in his schtick bag. Have you already forgotten that you've called me a psychopath?

It just shows his desperation: His morally bankrupt ideology has (thanks to the implosion of the neocons and the radical right) been exposed for the cruel hoax it really is - and W*GS can't lie, deflect and spin fast enough to divert our collective attention from the man behind the curtain.

I'm not a neocon or right-winger, asshole. Get that through your ****ing head.

The scary part, IMO, is that he makes no distinction between Stalin and Gandhi in his blind hatred of anything he perceives as "socialism."

You're the one who constantly makes this claim about me, and you've never backed it up.

You're a liar, fraud, and coward - and I don't say those things idly or as slurs. Anyone who's read your bilge for any length of time understands just how venomous, disgusting, and utterly without value almost everything you write is. All you do is levy personal attack after personal attack, based on lies, and are completely unrepentant and unapologetic regardless of how many times you're shown to be wrong. You engage in the same rhetorical tactics as the Nazi in the picture - you go for the point-blank head shot.

[Spider]

Yep - posting that picture just confirms what I've always said about W*GS being a poster boy for arrested moral development. I would have to agree

The irony is that it's really a projection on his part. that it is

That is, the picture is a perfect symbol for W*GS' philosophy re: how our government should deal with people in America who are old, sick, disabled, or disadvantaged in any way.

I wouldnt go that far ,W*GS is guilty of 1 thing , not being able to see the world as it is , just just sees his version of it , W*Gs knows nothing of the life of the hard working man , he just sits back in his government supported job , and views the world with blinders on

[W*GS]

Yep - posting that picture just confirms what I've always said about W*GS being a poster boy for arrested moral development.

You view being rich ("rich" being defined as "having more than me") as evil. It seeps through every one of your posts.

That is, the picture is a perfect symbol for W*GS' philosophy re: how our government should deal with people in America who are old, sick, disabled, or disadvantaged in any way.

The picture perfectly symbolizes how you treat every non-radical-lefty on this forum. Every Republican, libertarian, moderate, centrist, hell, even Democrats, get the point-blank head shot from you all the time. You're a seething cauldron of hate and venom for anyone and everyone who dares object to anything you say. You'll lie, evade, and spin in your attempts to endlessly attack, smear, and slur. Always.

[W*GS]

I dont give a **** , the picture is wrong ....... you cant spin it away ..... you know my opinion of bush , do you see me posting pictures of Dead Iraqi Children ? ....... you need to step back and think long and hard .......it is time you stop Blaming LABF and accept responsibility for that picture .....

The picture perfectly symbolizes LABF's approach to others whose political beliefs don't match his.

[Spider]

You'll lie, evade, and spin in your attempts to endlessly attack, smear, and slur. Always.

Just do the community a favor , put up another picture ........ even a cartoon .. But dont make cheap points off the suffering of millions of people .....

[Spider]

The picture perfectly symbolizes LABF's approach to others whose political beliefs don't match his.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2083437&postcount=30 .......

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Way to follow up an inappropriate picture:

Throw more sh*t against the wall and hope something sticks.

W*GS needs some serious professional help - he's obviously several fries short of a happy meal.

:crazy:

[W*GS]

Just do the community a favor , put up another picture ........ even a cartoon .. But dont make cheap points off the suffering of millions of people .....

How come you don't object (hell, you cheer him on) when LABF does exactly that?

How many times has he used "fascist" to describe someone here?

[W*GS]

Way to follow up an inappropriate picture:

Throw more sh*t against the wall and hope something sticks.

About the only **** around here is what pours from your keyboard on a regular basis. You are the biggest bull****ter here.

[Spider]

How come you don't object (hell, you cheer him on) when LABF does exactly that?

How many times has he used "fascist" to describe someone here?

I have yet to see LABF post a picture like that ,Like I said W*GS time to accept responsibility and stop blaming LABF .......

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

"Fascist?"

Why don't you use the search feature and find out?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I have yet to see LABF post a picture like that ,Like I said W*GS time to accept responsibility and stop blaming LABF .......

Not only that, but when it comes to smears, slurs, cheap shots, and personal attacks, W*GS has me beat by several hundred miles.

He's every bit as over-the-top as that pic he just posted.

Here are some examples:


I already know that you're a liar, a fraud, with no integrity - I didn't think it possible, but you're now even more of a scumbag than I had you pegged previously.


Truth be told, you're less than a smear of **** on toilet paper being flushed out to sea with a million other tons of sewage.


I'd ask you to repeat what you've written to my face, but you're too much the chicken**** to do that. You simply hide in your cyberspace fantasy land, where you think you're the big tough guy. In the real world, you're a submissive little turd.


You stepped over the line, ****-fer-brains. That's the kind of **** pathetic punks like you try to get away with from the safety of cyberspace.



I daresay if you speak and act toward others IRL like you here, you'll be lucky if all you lose is your teeth, ya punk.


The two requirements for LABF to be a biological father (I hesitate to use "parent"):

1) "Mom" is in a coma;
2) Abortion in cases of rape is outlawed.

Without those two necessities, LABF will pass from this world without any offspring, and for that, we can all be grateful.


The only way you're ever gonna have a kid is by raping a mentally-disabled woman whose guardians are ardent pro-lifers.


**** you, prick.


All you've shown with this bull**** of yours is that you're a reprehensible ****wad.


Any claims about how I or others are doing in regards to either are just the bull**** of an ignorant indecent scumbag - i.e., you, LABF.


Evil of the sort you represent cannot be left unchallenged.

[Spider]

How come you don't object (hell, you cheer him on) when LABF does exactly that?

How many times has he used "fascist" to describe someone here?

And besides if you are not a right winger then why does LABF's pics bother you ?

[Rohirrim]

I get the feeling that after TJs post and the discussion that began to build behind it, Wiggsy had nothing to add but felt the need to shut down the thread. Mission accomplished.

[Spider]

Not only that, but when it comes to smears, slurs, cheap shots, and personal attacks, W*GS has me beat by several hundred miles.

He's every bit as over-the-top as that pic he just posted.

Here are some examples:

well the pic bothers me , Thats more then just an opinion of someone , thats using tragedy to make a cheap point , What W*Gs did was no different then some of the politicians he hates ..........

[Spider]

well I didnt turn W*GS in for that post , but someone will , or some mod will see it ........it would be better for W*GS to delete it himself ...

[W*GS]

"Fascist?"

Why don't you use the search feature and find out?

Just one example of the 62 hits from looking for "fascist" and your authorship:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=472931&postcount=19

[Spider]

Just one example of the 62 hits from looking for "fascist" and your authorship:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=472931&postcount=19

This still has nothing to do with you posting that particular picture ........

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

well I didnt turn W*GS in for that post , but someone will , or some mod will see it ........it would be better for W*GS to delete it himself ...

He has been very lucky - many of those quotes I just posted violate the forum rules, and I've seen other people here get banned for less offensive stuff.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

This still has nothing to do with you posting that particular picture ........

Not to mention that it makes him look even more ridiculous when you compare the sample of my posts he just produced with his Tourette's attacks I just quoted.

He brings a whole new meaning to "pot/kettle/black." ;)

[W*GS]

Not only that, but when it comes to smears, slurs, cheap shots, and personal attacks, W*GS has me beat by several hundred miles.

Another lie. You lay into almost everyone with cheap shots, slurs, and smears. That's just about all you have.

[Spider]

If W*Gs had posted a picture of Hilter , or a cartoon of Hitler or the SS , I wouldnt have said a word , you 2 have been going at since the internet has been invented ;D and some pretty good stuff ...... but W*GS seems to be losing it , by posting that picture he is showing everyone he is getting desperate ...... he just needs to sit back and regroup .....

[W*GS]

This still has nothing to do with you posting that particular picture ........

LABF wanted an example of his labelling someone a fascist; I obliged him with a post in which he did just that.

[W*GS]

If W*Gs had posted a picture of Hilter , or a cartoon of Hitler or the SS , I wouldnt have said a word , you 2 have been going at since the internet has been invented ;D and some pretty good stuff ...... but W*GS seems to be losing it , by posting that picture he is showing everyone he is getting desperate ...... he just needs to sit back and regroup .....

I'm not desperate - I'm tired of LABF's endless crap.

If every post of LABF's in which he took the lowest road was removed by the mods, there'd be only a precious few left.

[Spider]

LABF wanted an example of his labelling someone a fascist; I obliged him with a post in which he did just that.

Still no justification........

[Spider]

I'm not desperate - I'm tired of LABF's endless crap.

If every post of LABF's in which he took the lowest road was removed by the mods, there'd be only a precious few left.

you always have the ignore feature , or fight back .. doesnt matter , but posting that particular picture smacks of desperation .. even I wouldnt have posted that picture , nor would I post a picture of a dead Iraqi Baby and accuse D man of liking it , or being part of it , or supporting it .....

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Still no justification........

Exactly.

He's doing the same thing for himself that he does for Bush:

"Look over there..."

[Spider]

and me posting pictures of Dead Iraqi babies and accusin the right of supporting baby killing would be far more factual ......

[W*GS]

Exactly.

He's doing the same thing for himself that he does for Bush:

"Look over there..."

You gonna apologize for calling me a fascist, a psychopath, a Bush supporter, and the many other slurs and smears you've labeled me over the years, you scumbag?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

you always have the ignore feature , or fight back .. doesnt matter , but posting that particular picture smacks of desperation .. even I wouldnt have posted that picture , nor would I post a picture of a dead Iraqi Baby and accuse D man of liking it , or being part of it , or supporting it .....

Yep.

And he can't point to a single post of mine that even begins to take a road as "low" as those quotes of his I just furnished.

[W*GS]

And he can't point to a single post of mine that even begins to take a road as "low" as those quotes of his I just furnished.

I just did, dork.

"fascist brownie-hound" is pretty ****ing low.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

No apologies, because I believe you are all of those things.

You are certainly supplying us with ample evidence to confirm these perceptions.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Which is worse?

"Fascist brownie hound" or this:


The two requirements for LABF to be a biological father (I hesitate to use "parent"):

1) "Mom" is in a coma;
2) Abortion in cases of rape is outlawed.

Without those two necessities, LABF will pass from this world without any offspring, and for that, we can all be grateful.

The only way you're ever gonna have a kid is by raping a mentally-disabled woman whose guardians are ardent pro-lifers.

[W*GS]

No apologies, because I believe you are all of those things.

You're engaging in wishful self-delusion. You want me to be a Bush supporter, fascist, psychopath, etc. because without those lies, you wouldn't have much to say to me.

You make up **** in your own mind about me, act like it's reality, and proceed from there.

You have not ever supplied a single point of fact, small bit of evidence, or any kind of proof of any of your beliefs about me, despite being asked many times.

You're a liar, coward, and fraud.

[W*GS]

Which is worse?

"Fascist brownie hound" or this:

You called me a yahoo for bringing kids into this world that I couldn't support, based solely on the fact that we live modestly and within our means.

Since you're not a parent, and being a provider for my family is the most important thing I do, you set me off. You stepped over the line with that comment, and I laid into you.

[Spider]

well enough of this football is getting ready to start ...W*GS you was wrong , still wrong ,what you are doing is no different then a thief blaming the economy for his stealing

[Meck77]

The trouble is, however, that now, even more than then, the American people have little interest in liberty. Instead, they want the impossible: home ownership for those who cannot afford homes, credit for those who are not creditworthy, old-age pensions for those who have not saved, health care for those who make no attempt to keep themselves healthy, and college educations for those who lack the wit to finish high school. Moreover, they want it now, and they want somebody else to pay for it.
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but but Obama will give us all these things right?








Relax Mcain won't either. Harder times are coming folks. Prepare for it.