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MO<1>
09-11-2008, 11:18 PM
It seems that the evil Bush administration is attacking the Obama movement through economic sanctions when the government took Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac into conservatorship and haulted all lobbying last Sunday. The Dallas Morning News reports:

Mr. Obama ranks third in Congress for donations from lobbyists tied to the two corporations in a recent report from the Center for Responsive Politics. Mr. McCain didn't make the top 25. "There were quite a few lobbyists retained by Fannie and Freddie who tried to influence Sen. McCain, but they never were able to get their hooks into him," said Anne Canfield of the Consumer Mortgage Coalition, a lending trade group that has advocated Fannie and Freddie overhaul.

There is perhaps no greater example of how and why Washington needs to change than this deadbeat couple, Fannie and Freddie. The candidate who can make the more plausible case for why he's the one to bust the mortgage lobbyists' grip on the Washington establishment will go a long way toward winning the confidence of taxpayers.

Which is to say, voters.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/editorials/stories/DN-fannie_09edi.ART.State.Edition1.26a234d.html

Bronco Bob
09-11-2008, 11:32 PM
Keating Five.

Bronco Bob
09-11-2008, 11:37 PM
McCain and Keating had become personal friends following their initial contacts in 1981.
Between 1982 and 1987, McCain had received $112,000 in political contributions from Keating and his associates.
In addition, McCain's wife and her father had invested $359,100 in a Keating shopping center in April 1986,
a year before McCain met with the regulators.
McCain, his family, and their baby-sitter had made nine trips at Keating's expense, sometimes aboard Keating's jet.
Three of the trips were made during vacations to Keating's opulent [ retreat at
McCain did not pay Keating (in the amount of $13,433) for some of the trips until years after they were taken,
when he learned that Keating was in trouble over Lincoln.

MO<1>
09-11-2008, 11:38 PM
Keating Five.

That is right Bob. Three democrat Senators went to jail and McCain was cleared. You do really understand it don't you? If you don't understand the Keating 5 and Andrew Cuomo then you probably have never heard of the 2002 McCain-Fiengold law against lobbyists. Maybe it is more important than lipstick.

Bronco Bob
09-11-2008, 11:45 PM
Name which Senators went to jail.

MO<1>
09-12-2008, 12:51 AM
Name which Senators went to jail.

Bob, you are correct. None went to jail. Didn't I teach this to you before. Glen and McCain were cleared, and though found guilty of the charges by the House Ethics committee, there was no jail time. I'm not sure in any Senator or Congressman has ever been tried and jailed in a criminal court after being found guilty of Ethis violations. Rangel will never do jail.

The point being, despite the slip of saying Jail, Obama is in the pocket (similiar to Cranston, DeConcini, and Reigle) and McCain is the reformer.

Every time you bring up the Keating 5, it just illuninates real reform by McCain. I had never thought about the scandal as a record of reforming corruption in the aisles. My previous belief was that any 3 term legislature had to be on the take.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-12-2008, 12:52 AM
Name which Senators went to jail.

Better give him an easier assignment first:

Spell Obama's first name. ;)

MO<1>
09-12-2008, 01:10 AM
Better give him an easier assignment first:

Spell Obama's first name. ;)

I used the Farsic spelling, but then you know I don't worship him, nor have I written his name on a check.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-12-2008, 02:13 AM
She’s Clueless, He’s Worse



<table style="border: 0px solid rgb(85, 85, 85); float: right; margin-left: 10px;" width="300"><tbody><tr><td align="right">http://www.truthdig.com/images/reportuploads/palinmccaineconomy_300.jpg</td></tr> <tr><td align="right">AP photo / Carolyn Kaster</td></tr> <tr><td>Republican presidential candidate John McCain and running mate Sarah Palin react to the cheers of supporters during a campaign rally at Franklin & Marshall College in Lancaster, Pa., on Tuesday.
</td></tr> </tbody></table> By Robert Scheer (http://www.truthdig.com/about/staff/4)
Ignorance is bliss, which perhaps explains Gov. Sarah Palin being so confidently wrong about the root cause of the federalization of most of the nation’s mortgage market.

But what is Sen. John McCain’s excuse? Both act as if the financial meltdown of the U.S. economy has nothing to do with the policies of the political party they represent—but she at least may not know any better.

Distracted momentarily from her campaign revelries of maverick opposition to the “bridge to nowhere,” which she had supported until it became a public relations debacle, and congressional earmarks for which she, as a small-town mayor, had hustled piggishly at the federal trough, Palin made the mistake of dealing with an unscripted subject.

Referring to the government’s bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Palin opined that the two had “gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers,” displaying abysmal ignorance of the fact that only now will those privately owned banks become a huge taxpayer obligation, as the federal government takes them over. Nor can the meltdown of home values be traced to those two beleaguered institutions, because they did not make the original subprime mortgage commitments.

The housing bubble was the result of the Ponzi-scheme antics of those other financial entities: commercial banks, stockbrokers and hedge funds, which were allowed in a GOP-deregulated market to get into the “swap” business. Through the rampant reselling of loans, the obligation to collect on a loan was divorced from the act of selling it in the first place, so who cared if the recipient of the loan was not at all qualified or the appraisal of the property value was inflated, as long as the paper was traded away, or insured, before the moment of foreclosure?

As with any Ponzi scheme, the perps, who included the legislators as well as the bankers who exploited the loopholes they provided, expected to bail long before the bubble burst. The role of the legislators, Republican-led but with far too many Democratic running dogs, was critical to the success of the scam.

The mortgage swaps distancing the originator of the loan from the ultimate collector were made legal only as a result of the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which former Sen. Phil Gramm, R-Texas, pushed through Congress just hours before the 2000 Christmas recess. Gramm, until recently co-chair of the McCain campaign, also had co-authored the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which became law in 1999 with President Bill Clinton’s signature. That gem, which Gramm had pushed for years with massive financial industry lobbying, destroyed the Depression-era barrier to the merger of stockbrokers, banks and insurance companies. Those two acts effectively ended significant regulation of the financial community, and no wonder we have witnessed an even more rapid and severe meltdown in housing values than during the Great Depression.

Not surprisingly, Gramm was rewarded for his service upon retirement as a senator and as head of the Senate Banking Committee with a top position at the Swiss-based UBS bank, which is close to drowning in the subprime mortgage nightmare he helped create. These folks have no shame, as was evidenced when the senator’s wife, Wendy, was named a director of Enron, whose roiling of the energy market had been made possible only through yet another provision of Gramm’s Commodity Futures Modernization Act.
While neophyte Palin can claim ignorance of such matters, that would be particularly difficult for McCain, who as a senator consistently lined up with Gramm in his deregulation crusade. Clearly McCain had not learned much from his previous involvement with the savings-and-loan debacle about the risks to consumers in unregulated banking.

McCain served as chair of Gramm’s abortive 1996 presidential campaign, and Gramm returned the favor, providing critical support for McCain with the hard-line Republican base, including the editorial board of The Wall Street Journal. It was assumed in the business press that Gramm was the front-runner to be Treasury secretary in a McCain administration. Gramm left his role as the top economic person near McCain only after he made an embarrassing statement blaming the current economic downturn on “whiners,” an awkward reference to the victims of his disastrous legislation.

Amazingly, the turmoil in the housing market, which has led to the socializing of the nation’s revered homeownership market in a massive expansion of the role of big government, has apparently not troubled McCain’s conservative supporters. As I said, ignorance is bliss, and evidently not just for the newbie Palin.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20080909_shes_clueless_hes_worse/?ln

Drek
09-12-2008, 05:17 AM
Rick Davis, McCain's campaign manager, used to be a Fannie and Freddie lobbyist.

So um, yeah. Nice thread.

Spider
09-12-2008, 05:18 AM
Rick Davis, McCain's campaign manager, used to be a Fannie and Freddie lobbyist.

So um, yeah. Nice thread.

LOL ooops ........

MO<1>
09-12-2008, 09:14 AM
Rick Davis, McCain's campaign manager, used to be a Fannie and Freddie lobbyist.

So um, yeah. Nice thread.

Correct, but McCain nver took money from him- Obama did. McCain never sat down with the Fannie Mae CEO and decided on Biden- Obama did. Why do you not give Obama credit for his accomplishments? I appreciate you pointing out that only those on the boards actually sign the paychecks!