Obama leads poll by 21

[MO<1>]

Reuters reports if Russians could vote, they would elect Obama. They would also elect Putin.

Pollsters for state-run VTsIOM found that if Russians could vote in U.S. elections, the Republicans would get little support, though most of those queried did no give a view.

Obama would receive 27 percent support and McCain 6 percent, VTsIOM found, in the September 6-7 poll of 1,600 Russians.

"I attribute our findings mainly to the fact that McCain has made more anti-Russian rhetoric. Obama seemed to be a little more pro-Russian," Olga Kamenchuk, VIsIOM communications director, told Reuters.

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSLA49136220080910?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true

[Drek]

Despite ideological and moral differences with Putin, you can't deny that he is a strong, intelligent leader.

[NaptownChief]

Despite ideological and moral differences with Putin, you can't deny that he is a strong, intelligent leader.



Yes and would love the opportunity to railroad a weakling like Obama.

[snowspot66]

Experience argument again? He's already railroaded Bush. You don't get much more experience than 7.5 years in the White House.

[BroncoInferno]

I love this sh*t. Folks like Naptown and Mo think that Obama having credibility and popularity with other countries of the world is somehow a bad thing. Jingoism at its finest Hilarious!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I love this sh*t. Folks like Naptown and Mo think that Obama having credibility and popularity with other countries of the world is somehow a bad thing. Jingoism at its finest Hilarious!

Yep.

These idiots bring much dishonor on our country with their narrow-minded provincialism.

[TailgateNut]

It sure is a bad thing for other countries to show respect to a candidate.:spit:

Most of the world knows Bush is a ****ing warmongering idiot. I guess that's a positive trait in MO's eyes.

F-ing MOrons!

[MO<1>]

I love this sh*t. Folks like Naptown and Mo think that Obama having credibility and popularity with other countries of the world is somehow a bad thing. Jingoism at its finest Hilarious!

Not at all. Popularity is the number one reason most liberals continue seek self affirmation by post uncivil remarks instead of valid debate. Paris Hilton is popular, but I woud't call her a leader of change we need. In the 1930's, Mussollini was very popular in the US? Is there a real point? Look at the issue before you close down in the sake of blind hero worship or prejudice.

[BroncoInferno]

Not at all. Popularity is the number one reason most liberals continue seek self affirmation by post uncivil remarks instead of valid debate. Paris Hilton is popular, but I woud't call her a leader of change we need. In the 1930's, Mussollini was very popular in the US? Is there a real point? Look at the issue before you close down in the sake of blind hero worship or prejudice.

And I suppose you posted this thread for "valid debate", right? You posted it to imply that it was somehow a bad thing that the people of Russia approve of Obama. I guess the people of Russia aren't Americans, so they must be idiots, right Mo?

[MO<1>]

And I suppose you posted this thread for "valid debate", right? You posted it to imply that it was somehow a bad thing that the people of Russia approve of Obama. I guess the people of Russia aren't Americans, so they must be idiots, right Mo?

I don't recall calling anybody an idiot, epecially people I don't know or lumping a large diverse population into one stereotype. The point is that it appears maybe some Russians beleive that the enemy of your enemy is your friend. Where do you read they approve of Obama? They wouldn't mind Obama being your president- but that doesn't mean they want him being theirs. If you are not going to look at the material provided, then it is harder for to validate your point.

Do you believe that 33% of the Russians of 1,600 polled are US experts? Do you also think those 33% want the US to be stronger?

[Rohirrim]

Yes and would love the opportunity to railroad a weakling like Obama.

So, on the one hand the Right makes fun of Obama for being an attorney, and then on the other hand believes he has no attorney skills to use in negotiations? Ha!

[BroncoInferno]

I don't recall calling anybody an idiot, epecially people I don't know or lumping a large diverse population into one stereotype. The point is that it appears maybe some Russians beleive that the enemy of your enemy is your friend. Where do you read they approve of Obama? They wouldn't mind Obama being your president- but that doesn't mean they want him being theirs. If you are not going to look at the material provided, then it is harder for to validate your point.

Do you believe that 33% of the Russians of 1,600 polled are US experts? Do you also think those 33% want the US to be stronger?

What are blathering about? The material says they would vote for Obama resoundingly over MCain. Call me crazy, but I think that makes it safe to infer that they approve of him over McCain.

And, no, I don't think they are U.S. experts. Never said they were. I'm just calling you on the spin that it is somehow bad for other nations to prefer Obama to McCain.

[MO<1>]

What are blathering about? The material says they would vote for Obama resoundingly over MCain. Call me crazy, but I think that makes it safe to infer that they approve of him over McCain.

And, no, I don't think they are U.S. experts. Never said they were. I'm just calling you on the spin that it is somehow bad for other nations to prefer Obama to McCain.

They don't want Obama as their president, they want him as yours. It is only blather if you are too infatuated to consider the implications.

[BroncoInferno]

They don't want Obama as their president, they want him as yours. It is only blather if you are too infatuated to consider the implications.

Oh, I see. So, you think the average Russian citizen who participated in this poll wants Obama to be our president because he will be bad for America, and therefore good for Russia? Ah, the spin makes a little more sense now! The average citizens polled in places like Russia and France who prefer Obama to McCain do so not because he'll make a good president, but because he'll be bad for America. Why those dirty Ruskie bastages!

[MO<1>]

Oh, I see. So, you think the average Russian citizen who participated in this poll wants Obama to be our president because he will be bad for America, and therefore good for Russia? Ah, the spin makes a little more sense now! The average citizens polled in places like Russia and France who prefer Obama to McCain do so not because he'll make a good president, but because he'll be bad for America. Why those dirty Ruskie bastages!

It is something that open minded people would evaluate. You have to ask yourself why, instead of accepting reports off-hand as the material you want. I have too many Russian ties to call them dirty and attack parentage, but I sincerely respect debating with you, and you make some serious points for discussion, but my day is short and it is time for the gym. I hope to see more of your opinions when I check back later (probably Monday.) Cheers and best wishes.

[BroncoInferno]

It is something that open minded people would evaluate. You have to ask yourself why, instead of accepting reports off-hand as the material you want. I have too many Russian ties to call them dirty and attack parentage, but I sincerely respect debating with you, and you make some serious points for discussion, but my day is short and it is time for the gym. I hope to see more of your opinions when I check back later (probably Monday.) Cheers and best wishes.

Please keep in mind that these folks were asked who they would vote for if they were an American citizen--not who they want to be our President (the important difference being that the poll implicitly asks them to put themselves in the shoes of an American voter). In order for your premise to be valid (that is, that Russian citizens want Obama to be POTUS because it would be bad for America and good for Russia), that means the average person polled had a secret agenda to manipulate the poll, thinking that their "vote" for Obama would trick Americans into voting for him. Those average Russian citizens must sure be an underhanded lot!

[MO<1>]

Please keep in mind that these folks were asked who they would vote for if they were an American citizen--not who they want to be our President (the important difference being that the poll implicitly asks them to put themselves in the shoes of an American voter). In order for your premise to be valid (that is, that Russian citizens want Obama to be POTUS because it would be bad for America and good for Russia), that means the average person polled had a secret agenda to manipulate the poll, thinking that their "vote" for Obama would trick Americans into voting for him. Those average Russian citizens must sure be an underhanded lot!

I don't think they would have to a secret agenda. Do you have a secret agenda for wanting Bush to fail? The enemy of my enemy is my friend. According to the poll results, the average Russian citizen doesn't know who either one is. Only 33% even responded with an answer, and that is out of 1,600. Do you want Putin to be president of Russia?

[BroncoInferno]

I don't think they would have to a secret agenda. Do you have a secret agenda for wanting Bush to fail?

I don't want Bush to fail. Unfortunately, he has. Miserably.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. According to the poll results, the average Russian citizen doesn't know who either one is. Only 33% even responded with an answer, and that is out of 1,600.

OK, your point seems to have shifted to they would vote for Obama because they don't like McCain ("enemy of my enemy is my friend"). First of all, that premise was only speculation of the gentleman quoted. But, even if largely true, my response is: so? It's as good a reason to vote for someone as some of the reasons folks actually base their vote on (Who do I wanna have a beer with? Does the person seem like an average man/woman? Are they an 'intellectual elitest'? etc)

Do you want Putin to be president of Russia?

Putting myself in the shoes of a Russian citizen (which is probably what most respondants to poll in question did [difference: 'shoes of an American']), I would probably say no (of course, it would depend on his opponent).

[MO<1>]

Putting myself in the shoes of a Russian citizen (which is probably what most respondants to poll in question did [difference 'shoes of an American]), I would probably say no (of course, it would depend on his opponent).

And since Americans are more news conscious then the "average" Russian. Whom do you want to president of Venezuela? Approached on the street, most Americans would first respond with "who are the choices". I didn't like Putin 10 years ago, but then I never sat down and had an unconditional dialogue with him. Putin says of Bush, that he likes him- but not the people surrounding him. Do you suppose he is talking about congress? Do you suppose "the enemy of my enemy" could be applied or is it two people seeing across political ideologies?

Saddam Hussein always recieved 100% of the vote.

I think the real point is that Obama has gotten off his message presented in Iowa. Initially, he had a Ghandi like quality that was very appealing and outside the mainstream democratic party ran by the "Clintons." I do not disparage Hillary, but the grass roots learned by Obama as a CO were very attractive and promising. Somewhere the points became faded, as when even Rev Wright became disenfranshised with Obama the politician. I assume Rev Wright still respects Obama, which is not a bad thing. Grass roots usually die off when they become too wide in order to be popular. If Obama gets back to his message, then the race might be close. The message of intolerance and hate now being used to support Obama, probably is the bain of his election bid. Instead of getting to know him, people are fearing that it is more of the same dirty and corrupt politics.