She is F'ing crazy

[elsid13]

Palin leaves open option of war with Russia 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080911/ap_on_el_pr/palin_interview


Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin left open the option Thursday of waging war with Russia if it were to invade neighboring Georgia and the former Soviet republic were a NATO ally. "We will not repeat a Cold War," Palin said in her first television interview since becoming Republican John McCain's vice presidential running mate two weeks ago.

Palin told Charles Gibson of ABC News that she'd favor including Georgia and Ukraine, both former Soviet republics, in NATO despite opposition by Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin. Asked whether the United States would have to go to war with Russia if it invaded Georgia, and the country was part of NATO, Palin said: "Perhaps so."

"I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you're going to be expected to be called upon and help," she said.

Pressed on the question, Palin responded: "What I think is that smaller democratic countries that are invaded by a larger power is something for us to be vigilant against ... We have got to show the support, in this case, for Georgia. The support that we can show is economic sanctions perhaps against Russia, if this is what it leads to."

She added: "It doesn't have to lead to war and it doesn't have to lead, as I said, to a Cold War, but economic sanctions, diplomatic pressure, again, counting on our allies to help us do that in this mission of keeping our eye on Russia and Putin and some of his desire to control and to control much more than smaller democratic countries."

Palin spoke the same day Putin insisted that Russia has no intention of encroaching on the sovereignty of Georgia, following a brief war that left Russian troops in firm control of two breakaway regions. Putin also aggressively defended the decision to send troops to Georgia, saying Russia had to act after Georgia attacked South Ossetia last month.

On other matters, Palin said she "didn't hesitate" when McCain asked her to be his running mate, a surprise selection that shook up the presidential race.

"I answered him 'yes' because I have the confidence in that readiness and knowing that you can't blink, you have to be wired in a way of being so committed to the mission, the mission that we're on, reform of this country and victory in the war, you can't blink. So I didn't blink then even when asked to run as his running mate," said the 44-year-old Palin, who has been in office less than two years.

Questioned about whether she felt ready to step in as vice president or perhaps even president if something happened to the 72-year-old McCain, Palin said: "I do, Charlie, and on January 20, when John McCain and I are sworn in, if we are so privileged to be elected to serve this country, we'll be ready. I'm ready."

Gibson also read Palin a comment she made in her former church — "Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God" — and asked whether she thought the United States was fighting a holy war.

Palin said she was recalling Abraham Lincoln's words when she made the comment and said: "I would never presume to know God's will or to speak God's words."

She said she didn't know if her son Track who is headed to Iraq was on a mission from God.

"What I know is that my son has made a decision. I am so proud of his independent and strong decision he has made, what he decided to do and serving for the right reasons and serving something greater than himself and not choosing a real easy path where he could be more comfortable and certainly safer," Palin said.

[Dudeskey]

So in other words McCain's running mate is a brunette Anne Coulter...™

[Spider]

Not to get political here , but Palin is right , wrong reasons but right Idea , We should enforce the Monroe doctrine , that comes first . we can get Europe to hit Russia economically , but we have to dig in on the Monroe doctrine......

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

So in other words McCain's running mate is a brunette Anne Coulter...™

That's what I was just saying on another thread the other day: I don't understand why McSame didn't just pick Ann Slanders - she's already a known quantity - and doesn't Johnny prefer the blondes? ;)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

She is F'ing crazy

:yep: :giggle:

Watching the GOP try to control the sorcerer's apprentice for the next eight weeks is going to be entertaining.

[elsid13]

Not to get political here , but Palin is right , wrong reasons but right Idea , We should enforce the Monroe doctrine , that comes first . we can get Europe to hit Russia economically , but we have to dig in on the Monroe doctrine......

Spider, I don't disagree that Russia current ambitions need to be checked. I agree with her that little emerging democracy need our help. Democracy don't really fight each.

But from a strategic stand point you don't make a comment of troops unless you are willing to us them. Right now, we are not able to effective commit troops to support Georgia with a major reposition of troops and logistic capabilities. When you move you move with force and power that ensure maximum violence to your opponent.

[Rigs11]

Palin considers war with Russia, and Mccane wants to send the peace corps:rofl: Dick Cheney part deux?

Sen. John McCain, speaking Thursday night at a Time-sponsored forum on national service, said sending members of the Peace Corps to "countries that don't like us" is the best way to raise our esteem in the world. "The best thing we can do is expose the people in these countries to things we value, the things we stand for, the things we believe in," he said.

[frerottenextelway]

HOLY CRAP

Charlie: Do you agree with the Bush Doctrine?

Palin: In what respect, Charlie?

Charlie: What do you interpret it to be?

Palin: His worldview.

Charlie: No, No, the Bush Doctrine. He enunciated it in September 2002, before the Iraq War.

Palin: I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is to rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hellbent on destroying our nation. There have been blunders along the way, though. There have been mistakes made. And with new leadership--and that's the beauty of American elections and democracy--with new leadership comes the opportunity to do things better.

Charlie: The Bush Doctrine, as I understand it, is that we have the right of anticipatory defense. We have the right to preemptively strike any other country that we believe is going to attack us.

[Spider]

Spider, I don't disagree that Russia current ambitions need to be checked. I agree with her that little emerging democracy need our help. Democracy don't really fight each.

But from a strategic stand point you don't make a comment of troops unless you are willing to us them. Right now, we are not able to effective commit troops to support Georgia with a major reposition of troops and logistic capabilities. When you move you move with force and power that ensure maximum violence to your opponent.

I know , it is a huge problem , Our national defense is really Compromised.....Russia knows this , as does everyone else .........but if things get out of hand .........Draft

[Dudeskey]

Plays right into the hands of Obama's "McCain = more of the same" theme...™













****in' awesome

[frerottenextelway]

http://www.nomaas.org/images/drudge_siren.gif

Video Of HOLY CRAP Moment

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[elsid13]

I know , it is a huge problem , Our national defense is really Compromised.....Russia knows this , as does everyone else .........but if things get out of hand .........Draft

Our national defense really isn't "compromised". It just of sort logistic problem. Right now all our land gear and equipment is deployed in wrong part of the world. We have to reposition that stuff and rebuild a new logistic tail to support conflict in that area of the world. We just have to haul stuff to different part of the world and that takes time.

I don't think people realize how deadly our military is compared to the rest of the world, even after conflicts for the last 7 plus years. Both the Navy and Air Force aren't really stretched as thin as folks think.

[TheDave]

http://www.nomaas.org/images/drudge_siren.gif

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My favorite part is that she has no idea what the Bush Doctine is... A question that almost everyone on this board could answer, gave her that proverbial deer in headlights look.

[Rigs11]

You have got to be freaking kidding me. That is the woman that you yahoos want as vp? To a 72 year old mccane? All you Palin supporters should go find the nearest mirror, stand in front of it, and kick you own asses.

[frerottenextelway]

My favorite part is that she has no idea what the Bush Doctine is... A question that almost everyone could on this board could answer gave her that proverbial deer in headlights look.

It's the freaking cornerstone of the Bush foreign policy.

[elsid13]

My favorite part is that she has no idea what the Bush Doctine is... A question that almost everyone could on this board could answer gave her that proverbial deer in headlights look.

This got to be bad dream, or McCain has millions riding on bet that he doesn't win the election

[TheDave]

8') This got to be bad dream, or McCain has millions riding on bet that he doesn't win the election


I can't say it enough. It was a publicity stunt... Sadly the Repubs thought they could control the story and create a fake "Image" that would last 60 days.

The problem now is what do they do with her? Keep feeding her to the wolves and this outcome will continue. Keep her sequestered and people will forget about her.

I'm just going to sit back and enjoy...

Errr... I hope we can make this competitive. ;D

[Drek]

As he broke it down for her it looked like she had a mouthful of sour milk.

She sounds so much like Bush its almost not funny. Almost.

[frerottenextelway]

8')


I can't say it enough. It was a publicity stunt... Sadly the Repubs thought they could control the story and create a fake "Image" that would last 60 days.

The problem now is what do they do with her? Keep feeding her to the wolves and this outcome will continue. Keep her sequestered and people will forget about her.

I'm just going to sit back and enjoy...

Errr... I hope we can make this competitive. ;D

and Charlie Gibson is not even a wolf, he's a Regis Philbin type (and a GOP blowhard). She's not had a seriously tough question yet, and gave the most cringe worthy answer since p-o-t-a-t-o-e. What would she do if Russert came back from the dead and drilled her?

[elsid13]

8')


I can't say it enough. It was a publicity stunt... Sadly the Repubs thought they could control the story and create a fake "Image" that would last 60 days.

The problem now is what do they do with her? Keep feeding her to the wolves and this outcome will continue. Keep her sequestered and people will forget about her.

I'm just going to sit back and enjoy...

Errr... I hope we can make this competitive. ;D


It was reported tonight McCain staff have rescheduled the campaign so that they will always be together. If McCain there the question will be directed to him vs her. And we thought Quail was bad.

[elsid13]

and Charlie Gibson is not even a wolf, he's a Regis Philbin type (and a GOP blowhard). She's not had a seriously tough question yet, and gave the most cringe worthy answer since p-o-t-a-t-o-e. What would she do if Russert came back from the dead and drilled her?

Then we have zombie screwing an idiot. Sound classic grade B horror flick

[TheDave]

and Charlie Gibson is not even a wolf, he's a Regis Philbin type (and a GOP blowhard). She's not had a seriously tough question yet, and gave the most cringe worthy answer since p-o-t-a-t-o-e. What would she do if Russert came back from the dead and drilled her?

This is what happens when you piss off the press... even Charlie Walters...errr...gibson comes off as more of a hardass.

But yes Russert would of crucified her just because he felt her selection was insulting.

[Rohirrim]

This whole ****ing country has gone crazy. Is it an ergot epidemic?

[TheDave]

It was reported tonight McCain staff have rescheduled the campaign so that they will always be together. If McCain there the question will be directed to him vs her. And we thought Quail was bad.

You're kidding... right?

[elsid13]

You're kidding... right?

No I am not. Her trip to Alaska today was the last one she will be taking alone. Maybe McCain plan is to use her to get elected, then have her resign to spend more time with her family.

[frerottenextelway]

This whole ****ing country has gone crazy. Is it an ergot epidemic?

It's become American Idol. McCain's second choice for VP was Clay Aiken.

[Rohirrim]

It's become American Idol. McCain's second choice for VP was Clay Aiken.

LOL

[frerottenextelway]

Posted on another board:

Charlie: "Do you agree with the Bush Doctrine?"

Sarah: Well I never! Why does he want to know if I shave down there? "In what respect Charlie?"

Charlie: Oh crap, she doesn't have a clue. "The Bush...well, what do you, what do you interpret it to be?"

Sarah: Wait, Bush, that's the President...I need to fish here for WTF Charlie is asking me..."His world view, you mean?"

Charlie: OMG, I bet I'm going to have to spell this out. "Well, the Bush Doctrine, enunciated in September, 2002, before the Iraq war."

Sarah: Ahh OK, this ain't so bad, I can ramble about Bush attempting to get the bad guys. That always plays well. "I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is...."

Charlie: She doesn't have a clue. I think in a bit I'll be able to use the phrase "lost in a blizzard of words"...that will be fun.

[Spider]

Our national defense really isn't "compromised". It just of sort logistic problem. Right now all our land gear and equipment is deployed in wrong part of the world. We have to reposition that stuff and rebuild a new logistic tail to support conflict in that area of the world. We just have to haul stuff to different part of the world and that takes time.

I don't think people realize how deadly our military is compared to the rest of the world, even after conflicts for the last 7 plus years. Both the Navy and Air Force aren't really stretched as thin as folks think.

I dont think the Navy and Air Force is stretched thin ,far from it , but we cant launch an offensive with just those 2 branches , the only thing those 2 can do is either wipe out a country literally( fire power from either is astounding ) or pin point and hit key targets .......But we can control what we take

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

My favorite part is that she has no idea what the Bush Doctine is... A question that almost everyone on this board could answer, gave her that proverbial deer in headlights look.

Exactly.

McClone might as well have picked Britney Spears or Lindsay Lohan to be his running mate.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Maybe McCain plan is to use her to get elected, then have her resign to spend more time with her family.

That might very well be the game plan.

[defenseman]

You guys are very very gullible. ALL candidates have already gone on record in full support of NATO. Bottom line is, they all have stated the same....amazing.....hook, line and a big fat sinker in the gut. She isn't stating anything that hasn't been touched on by every candidate in the race...dman

[frerottenextelway]

You guys are very very gullible. ALL candidates have already gone on record in full support of NATO. Bottom line is, they all have stated the same....amazing.....hook, line and a big fat sinker in the gut. She isn't stating anything that hasn't been touched on by every candidate in the race...dman

Her answer on the Bush Doctrine was .... um .... unique.

[Rohirrim]

No kidding. I'll bet if we invade Russia they'll greet us with flowers.

[defenseman]

No kidding. I'll bet if we invade Russia they'll greet us with flowers.

We won't be doing that anytime soon....dman

[Rohirrim]

I just watched a bunch of this interview. I can't believe this is happening. This woman sounds like a contestant in a beauty pageant who is asked what she would do if she was president. In that context, it would be fine. Stupid, but fine. In the context of a race for the most powerful office in the world, it's ****ing insane.

[Spider]

You guys are very very gullible. ALL candidates have already gone on record in full support of NATO. Bottom line is, they all have stated the same....amazing.....hook, line and a big fat sinker in the gut. She isn't stating anything that hasn't been touched on by every candidate in the race...dman

Well Speaking as a Mac Davis fan ........ She didnt do well

[TheDave]

I just watched a bunch of this interview. I can't believe this is happening. This woman sounds like a contestant in a beauty pageant who is asked what she would do if she was president. In that context, it would be fine. Stupid, but fine. In the context of a race for the most powerful office in the world, it's ****ing insane.

But you knew this was coming... Your a pretty smart guy Roh, this woman is attempting to learn EVERYTHING in about 3-4 weeks while campaigning. It can't be done... Biden is going to have a field day with her.

[defenseman]

But you knew this was coming... Your a pretty smart guy Roh, this woman is attempting to learn EVERYTHING in about 3-4 weeks while campaigning. It can't be done... Biden is going to have a field day with her.

Yep, keep underestimating, fall into to that trap, just like "team obama" did the second it was announced she was the selection..dman

[Spider]

But you knew this was coming... Your a pretty smart guy Roh, this woman is attempting to learn EVERYTHING in about 3-4 weeks while campaigning. It can't be done... Biden is going to have a field day with her.
Something tells me you are going to fall into a trap .........Just a heads up warnin http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2079943&postcount=39

[TheDave]

Yep, keep underestimating, fall into to that trap, just like "team obama" did the second it was announced she was the selection..dman

Just a little technicality... I'm not debating her. Biden is, and i'm guessing he isn't asleep at the wheel.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I dont think the Navy and Air Force is stretched thin ,far from it , but we cant launch an offensive with just those 2 branches , the only thing those 2 can do is either wipe out a country literally( fire power from either is astounding ) or pin point and hit key targets .......But we can control what we take

I think if iraq proved anything, it's that military brute force does not mean what it once did, especially when fighting "extremism" since you are battling with an ideology and not a country called extremistan.

As for Russia, they dont want to get into a fight as much as we don't. Isn't their GDP the size of like Poland's? The Georgia conflict was hardly hitler-esque.

[Spider]

I think if iraq proved anything, it's that military brute force does not mean what it once did, especially when fighting "extremism" since you are battling with an ideology and not a country called extremistan.

As for Russia, they dont want to get into a fight as much as we don't. Isn't their GDP the size of like Poland's? The Georgia conflict was hardly hitler-esque.

No Our Military showed Brute force is just that , we went acrossed that country dotted the I's and crossed the T's and kicked the living **** out of anything that crossed our path ......Nation building is an entire different matter

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Yep, keep underestimating, fall into to that trap, just like "team obama" did the second it was announced she was the selection..dman

So her interview was televised on your home planet, eh? :giggle:

[SonOfLe-loLang]

No Our Military showed Brute force is just that , we went acrossed that country dotted the I's and crossed the T's and kicked the living **** out of anything that crossed our path ......Nation building is an entire different matter

Point taken .... but it didn't accomplish the goal of limiting extremism.

[Mr.Meanie]

She added: "It doesn't have to lead to war and it doesn't have to lead, as I said, to a Cold War, but economic sanctions, diplomatic pressure, again, counting on our allies to help us do that in this mission of keeping our eye on Russia and Putin and some of his desire to control and to control much more than smaller democratic countries."


Um, seriously?

Sanctions work on small, isolated countries like Cuba or Iraq. Not nuclear superpowers. LOL

What if Russia got mad at her comments and said they are going to "economically sanction" America? Would that make anyone lose sleep? hahaha

I don't think even Bush would be ready to spark WWIII if Russia invaded another former Soviet country that was being aggressive...

[gyldenlove]

Um, seriously?

Sanctions work on small, isolated countries like Cuba or Iraq. Not nuclear superpowers. LOL

What if Russia got mad at her comments and said they are going to "economically sanction" America? Would that make anyone lose sleep? hahaha

I don't think even Bush would be ready to spark WWIII if Russia invaded another former Soviet country that was being aggressive...

Sanctions never worked on Iraq or Cuba, Fidel is still running Cuba, Saddam would still be running Iraq if the sanctions had continued.

[JCMElway]

Yep, keep underestimating, fall into to that trap, just like "team obama" did the second it was announced she was the selection..dman

You can't be serious. You have to admit that this interview exposed Palin as a political novice. Explain to me how you get around that. Please.

I'm going to get my popcorn.

[ghwk]

My favorite part is that she has no idea what the Bush Doctine is... A question that almost everyone on this board could answer, gave her that proverbial deer in headlights look.

So this is frightening on so many levels. Hey the flashing blue and red lights gets my avatar of the year award btw, but holy s**t just watch her body language, she is drawing on only coaching and nothing else in terms of knowledge. Every response starts off with her right foot twitching, an indicator of nervousness about the question that has been presented to her and how to transition the response from not answering the question into a speaking point. Once she gets into her speaking points the foot stops and the coached hand gestures start, (right hand only), its that taught, and the right hand? it gets a'movin but in a pretend false forceful sort of way. The eye contact is beyond abnormal, it's zombie like. This isn't natural it's 2 weeks of intensive prep to carry a role. In other words none of it comes from the ease of experience and knowledge, she reminds me of a trout flopping on a riverbank trying to find water again or a bad figurine out of a wax museum. I'm not saying she's a bad person, just a pathetic choice for VP.

[BroncoBuff]

Not to get political here , but Palin is right , wrong reasons but right Idea , We should enforce the Monroe doctrine , that comes first . we can get Europe to hit Russia economically , but we have to dig in on the Monroe doctrine......
Hahahaha ... I was just feeling funny about agreeing with Palin on this one, and then I saw your post Spider. So in this one area, I feel okay agreeing with her now :~ohyah!:

She is correct of course, NATO is NATO, and it's a defense alliance. That's the whole freaking point.

[MO<1>]

Not to get political here , but Palin is right , wrong reasons but right Idea , We should enforce the Monroe doctrine , that comes first . we can get Europe to hit Russia economically , but we have to dig in on the Monroe doctrine......

The Monroe Doctrine applies to the Americas, but I know you really meant NATO. We can agree that even nations have to have integrity in their word.

[Bronco Bob]

The Monroe Doctrine applies to the Americas, but I know you really meant NATO. We can agree that even nations have to have integrity in their word.

Anybody else here remember SEATO?

[Blueflame]

But you knew this was coming... Your a pretty smart guy Roh, this woman is attempting to learn EVERYTHING in about 3-4 weeks while campaigning. It can't be done... Biden is going to have a field day with her.

And the question needs to be asked... while she's "cramming for her finals", who's taking care of those 4 still-dependent kids (assuming the military is taking care of the eldest). I'm particularly sympathetic to the now-5-month-old special needs infant and the expectant 17-year-old.... who really need their mom right now, but she obviously has other priorities.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

And the question needs to be asked... while she's "cramming for her finals", who's taking care of those 4 still-dependent kids (assuming the military is taking care of the eldest). I'm particularly sympathetic to the now-5-month-old special needs infant and the expectant 17-year-old.... who really need their mom right now, but she obviously has other priorities.

Yep.

How does that square with her "family values?"

[MO<1>]

And the question needs to be asked... while she's "cramming for her finals", who's taking care of those 4 still-dependent kids (assuming the military is taking care of the eldest). I'm particularly sympathetic to the now-5-month-old special needs infant and the expectant 17-year-old.... who really need their mom right now, but she obviously has other priorities.

Wow, a liberal displays his sexist card. Congratulations moving more to the right. How conservative of you to think women should stay at home and raise the kids. It is sexist remarks like this that push even Dem females to the other camp. Keep on the campaign trail!:welcome:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[Taco John]

Not to get political here , but Palin is right , wrong reasons but right Idea , We should enforce the Monroe doctrine , that comes first . we can get Europe to hit Russia economically , but we have to dig in on the Monroe doctrine......



I'm not certain that I understand your position. Could you explain further?

[Spider]

The Monroe Doctrine applies to the Americas, but I know you really meant NATO. We can agree that even nations have to have integrity in their word.

:notthissh What in the **** are you babbling about ?
No if I meant nato I would have said Nato ....... I MEANT AND STILL MEAN MONROE DOCTRINE , read about Chavez and 2 Russian TU60 bombers , get back to me asap , then explain your post

[Spider]

I'm not certain that I understand your position. Could you explain further?

Russia needs to be put in Check , as soon as Russia started crawling in Bed with Chavez , So yeah Plain is right , we need to check Russia , but not for Russia , messing with Georgia , or other former Russian bloc countries .We can and should use sanctions for that

[Spider]

Wow, a liberal displays his sexist card. Congratulations moving more to the right. How conservative of you to think women should stay at home and raise the kids. It is sexist remarks like this that push even Dem females to the other camp. Keep on the campaign trail!:welcome:

LOL Blue flame is a she , got the rack to prove it

[Drek]

Wow, a liberal displays his sexist card. Congratulations moving more to the right. How conservative of you to think women should stay at home and raise the kids. It is sexist remarks like this that push even Dem females to the other camp. Keep on the campaign trail!:welcome:

Got to hand it to you, at least you bring the funny. Unintentionally of course, but still.

[Spider]

Hahahaha ... I was just feeling funny about agreeing with Palin on this one, and then I saw your post Spider. So in this one area, I feel okay agreeing with her now :~ohyah!:

She is correct of course, NATO is NATO, and it's a defense alliance. That's the whole freaking point.

;D and this is the deal . when the right is actually right about something I will say so , but people see me as a hack cause the right is rarely right about anything ,and that is somehow my or the lefts fault ........

[TailgateNut]

LOL Blue flame is a she , got the rack to prove it


...and MO is reaching for anything to shore up Palin's obvious lack of qualifications for VP by deflecting from what will become more evident as time passes, and as the American public become aware that she's just another pretty face.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

...and MO is reaching for anything to shore up Palin's obvious lack of qualifications for VP by deflecting from what will become more evident as time passes, and as the American public become aware that she's just another pretty face.

Indeed.

As a matter of fact, one gets the impression that his party's ticket could be Bundy/Dahmer and BLO<1> would still be here carrying the GOP water.

[BroncoInferno]

You guys are very very gullible. ALL candidates have already gone on record in full support of NATO. Bottom line is, they all have stated the same....amazing.....hook, line and a big fat sinker in the gut. She isn't stating anything that hasn't been touched on by every candidate in the race...dman

Dude, she did not know what the Bush Doctrine was. One of the most significant foreign policy dictums in American history (to our detriment), and she did not know what it was! Then she tells us about how you can see Russia from Alaska, so that means she has credibility in dealing with Putin! If you don't see how those responses expose her as frighteningly clueless on foreign policy (some members of this board would seem to know more), then you are hopelessly a lost cause.

[Garcia Bronco]

The "Bush Doctrine" is just a made up name to collect various foreign policy pieces. It's not actually a single piece of legislation

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The "Bush Doctrine" is just a made up name to collect various foreign policy pieces. It's not actually a single piece of legislation

Who said it was a "piece of legislation?"

The point is that anyone who hasn't been living in a cave since 9/11 knows what it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_Doctrine

[BroncoInferno]

Who said it was a "piece of legislation?"

The point is that anyone who hasn't been living in a cave since 9/11 knows what it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_Doctrine

Exactly.

[Rohirrim]

Who said it was a "piece of legislation?"

The point is that anyone who hasn't been living in a cave since 9/11 knows what it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_Doctrine

What I've always found interesting about Dubya's Doctrine is that it is a complete repudiation of everything his father believed in.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

What I've always found interesting about Dubya's Doctrine is that it is a complete repudiation of everything his father believed in.

The Oedipal president.

[TailgateNut]

The Oedipal president.


EEEEWWWW! That's disgusting, but a possibility!

[Garcia Bronco]

Who said it was a "piece of legislation?"

The point is that anyone who hasn't been living in a cave since 9/11 knows what it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_Doctrine

I had never heard the term and I don't "live in a cave".

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I had never heard the term and I don't "live in a cave".

But you're not running for the second highest office in the land.

[Hotrod]

You have got to be freaking kidding me. That is the woman that you yahoos want as vp? To a 72 year old mccane? All you Palin supporters should go find the nearest mirror, stand in front of it, and kick you own asses.

LOL ok that was funny

[Garcia Bronco]

But you're not running for the second highest office in the land.

Doesn't matter. It's just a made up term. And I will be running in 2012. I'll expect your support.

[Rohirrim]

I had never heard the term and I don't "live in a cave".

You should go right down to the bursar's office at VTech and demand a refund. ;)

[Smiling Assassin27]

Palin leaves open option of war with Russia 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080911/ap_on_el_pr/palin_interview


Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin left open the option Thursday of waging war with Russia if it were to invade neighboring Georgia and the former Soviet republic were a NATO ally. "We will not repeat a Cold War," Palin said in her first television interview since becoming Republican John McCain's vice presidential running mate two weeks ago.

Palin told Charles Gibson of ABC News that she'd favor including Georgia and Ukraine, both former Soviet republics, in NATO despite opposition by Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin. Asked whether the United States would have to go to war with Russia if it invaded Georgia, and the country was part of NATO, Palin said: "Perhaps so."

"I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you're going to be expected to be called upon and help," she said.

Pressed on the question, Palin responded: "What I think is that smaller democratic countries that are invaded by a larger power is something for us to be vigilant against ... We have got to show the support, in this case, for Georgia. The support that we can show is economic sanctions perhaps against Russia, if this is what it leads to."

She added: "It doesn't have to lead to war and it doesn't have to lead, as I said, to a Cold War, but economic sanctions, diplomatic pressure, again, counting on our allies to help us do that in this mission of keeping our eye on Russia and Putin and some of his desire to control and to control much more than smaller democratic countries."

Palin spoke the same day Putin insisted that Russia has no intention of encroaching on the sovereignty of Georgia, following a brief war that left Russian troops in firm control of two breakaway regions. Putin also aggressively defended the decision to send troops to Georgia, saying Russia had to act after Georgia attacked South Ossetia last month.

On other matters, Palin said she "didn't hesitate" when McCain asked her to be his running mate, a surprise selection that shook up the presidential race.

"I answered him 'yes' because I have the confidence in that readiness and knowing that you can't blink, you have to be wired in a way of being so committed to the mission, the mission that we're on, reform of this country and victory in the war, you can't blink. So I didn't blink then even when asked to run as his running mate," said the 44-year-old Palin, who has been in office less than two years.

Questioned about whether she felt ready to step in as vice president or perhaps even president if something happened to the 72-year-old McCain, Palin said: "I do, Charlie, and on January 20, when John McCain and I are sworn in, if we are so privileged to be elected to serve this country, we'll be ready. I'm ready."

Gibson also read Palin a comment she made in her former church — "Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God" — and asked whether she thought the United States was fighting a holy war.

Palin said she was recalling Abraham Lincoln's words when she made the comment and said: "I would never presume to know God's will or to speak God's words."

She said she didn't know if her son Track who is headed to Iraq was on a mission from God.

"What I know is that my son has made a decision. I am so proud of his independent and strong decision he has made, what he decided to do and serving for the right reasons and serving something greater than himself and not choosing a real easy path where he could be more comfortable and certainly safer," Palin said.


Gibson missed the boat on this. He took words out of context in this exchange about 'God's will'. The guy relied on the AP for his 'quotes' and got bit in the butt by quoting her mid-sentence rather than using the entire sentence which begins, 'Let Us Pray'...

For those who prefer to know the actual facts, here's the actual quote:

“Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God,” she exhorted the congregants. “That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God’s plan.”

Here's what the AP (and then Gibson) turned it into:

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin told ministry students at her former church that the United States sent troops to fight in the Iraq war on a “task that is from God.”…
“Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God,” she said. “That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God’s plan.”


I don't know about you, but that's either a)irresponsible journalism or b) a blatant attempt to damage someone. Hey, Palin's got some major chinks in her armor, just like everyone, but fair is fair.

[Garcia Bronco]

You should go right down to the bursar's office at VTech and demand a refund. ;)

LOL

[Mr.Meanie]

I don't know about you, but that's either a)irresponsible journalism or b) a blatant attempt to damage someone.

Actually I agree with you 100%

So what would you call the whole "lipstick on a pig" media firestorm?

[brncs_fan]

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[MO<1>]

LOL Blue flame is a she , got the rack to prove it

And females cannot be sexist? That is like saying a minority cannot be racist? Are you know pulling the "Oops" card or the sexist card?

BTW- veering off topic. Great job not burning contaminated soil but burying it in mother earth where the EPA won't fine you. I bet you got tougher with those BLM officers the farther you got from them. I know you got the last word in- "Yes, sir!"

[gyldenlove]

And females cannot be sexist? That is like saying a minority cannot be racist? Are you know pulling the "Oops" card or the sexist card?

BTW- veering off topic. Great job not burning contaminated soil but burying it in mother earth where the EPA won't fine you. I bet you got tougher with those BLM officers the farther you got from them. I know you got the last word in- "Yes, sir!"

Why the hell would you burn it? if you bury it it is not going to hurt anything unless you happen to bury it where someone draws their water supply. If you burn it you spread the toxins in their atmosphere where they will do damage.

Some time I really wish that people would think about what they say, then ask someone who knows more than they do, and shut up when they realize they are about to humiliate themselves.

[stugotsII]

Palin leaves open option of war with Russia 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080911/ap_on_el_pr/palin_interview


Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin left open the option Thursday of waging war with Russia if it were to invade neighboring Georgia and the former Soviet republic were a NATO ally. "We will not repeat a Cold War," Palin said in her first television interview since becoming Republican John McCain's vice presidential running mate two weeks ago.

Palin told Charles Gibson of ABC News that she'd favor including Georgia and Ukraine, both former Soviet republics, in NATO despite opposition by Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin. Asked whether the United States would have to go to war with Russia if it invaded Georgia, and the country was part of NATO, Palin said: "Perhaps so."

"I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you're going to be expected to be called upon and help," she said.

Pressed on the question, Palin responded: "What I think is that smaller democratic countries that are invaded by a larger power is something for us to be vigilant against ... We have got to show the support, in this case, for Georgia. The support that we can show is economic sanctions perhaps against Russia, if this is what it leads to."

She added: "It doesn't have to lead to war and it doesn't have to lead, as I said, to a Cold War, but economic sanctions, diplomatic pressure, again, counting on our allies to help us do that in this mission of keeping our eye on Russia and Putin and some of his desire to control and to control much more than smaller democratic countries."

Palin spoke the same day Putin insisted that Russia has no intention of encroaching on the sovereignty of Georgia, following a brief war that left Russian troops in firm control of two breakaway regions. Putin also aggressively defended the decision to send troops to Georgia, saying Russia had to act after Georgia attacked South Ossetia last month.

On other matters, Palin said she "didn't hesitate" when McCain asked her to be his running mate, a surprise selection that shook up the presidential race.

"I answered him 'yes' because I have the confidence in that readiness and knowing that you can't blink, you have to be wired in a way of being so committed to the mission, the mission that we're on, reform of this country and victory in the war, you can't blink. So I didn't blink then even when asked to run as his running mate," said the 44-year-old Palin, who has been in office less than two years.

Questioned about whether she felt ready to step in as vice president or perhaps even president if something happened to the 72-year-old McCain, Palin said: "I do, Charlie, and on January 20, when John McCain and I are sworn in, if we are so privileged to be elected to serve this country, we'll be ready. I'm ready."

Gibson also read Palin a comment she made in her former church — "Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God" — and asked whether she thought the United States was fighting a holy war.

Palin said she was recalling Abraham Lincoln's words when she made the comment and said: "I would never presume to know God's will or to speak God's words."

She said she didn't know if her son Track who is headed to Iraq was on a mission from God.

"What I know is that my son has made a decision. I am so proud of his independent and strong decision he has made, what he decided to do and serving for the right reasons and serving something greater than himself and not choosing a real easy path where he could be more comfortable and certainly safer," Palin said.

Obama leaves the door open for war with Iran...

What your point?

[Mr.Meanie]

So the conservatives take is that war with Russia and war with Iran are pretty much the same thing?

[Garcia Bronco]

So the conservatives take is that war with Russia and war with Iran are pretty much the same thing?

I don't know what conservatives think, but there are parts that are the same and parts that are exculsive. I would imagine they are refering to the parts that are inclusive.

[Mr.Meanie]

What about the parts that include nuclear weapons?

[Garcia Bronco]

What about the parts that include nuclear weapons?

Nobody is going to go shooting off nukes. It would be the end of everything.

[Mr.Meanie]

Nobody is going to go shooting off nukes. It would be the end of everything.

exactly.

thanks for playing! next...

[MO<1>]

exactly.

thanks for playing! next...

Sort of like being a human bomb. Nobody would do that! Or would they? What is Achmud ImeanieAjob's divine mission?
I just really can't spell his name.

[elsid13]

Doesn't matter. It's just a made up term. And I will be running in 2012. I'll expect your support.

It not a made up term. It has been widely written about and foreign policy classes teach it.

[Garcia Bronco]

It not a made up term. It has been widely written about and foreign policy classes teach it.

Made up might not be the best way to put it. It's a subjective term that can apply to a great number of things with an administrations foreign policy. I assume based on the reading I have done today is if Palin supports pre-emptive war. And you can make a number of srguments supporting each side provided you know the outcome.

[gunns]

But you're not running for the second highest office in the land.

The scary thing is he is voting for it. 2004?

[TheDave]

Doesn't matter. It's just a made up term. And I will be running in 2012. I'll expect your support.

I am so creating a 527 and "Swift Boating" you...

[Garcia Bronco]

I am so creating a 527 and "Swift Boating" you...

LOL. I was affraid youwould. My campaign might not survive that.

[TheDave]

LOL. I was affraid youwould. My campaign might not survive that.


Garcia Bronco

Bad for the Mane...

Bad for America!

[Rohirrim]

Garcia Bronco

Bad for the Mane...

Bad for America!

My name is Rohirrim and I approved this post. ;D

[Garcia Bronco]

Lol

[Garcia Bronco]

My fellow Americans - who are you to believe? Dave from Cheech and Chong, Rohirrm from Rohan of Middle Earth's 3rd age? Or me, a person grounded in reality? :)

[Rohirrim]

Dave's not here.

[Traveler]

Go to the ABC website to see excerpts of day two. Nothing glaring but, check out the question about 2008 Alaska earmarks and 2008 Illinois earmarks. Interesting numbers.

[Garcia Bronco]

Go to the ABC website to see excerpts of day two. Nothing glaring but, check out the question about 2008 Alaska earmarks and 2008 Illinois earmarks. Interesting numbers.

I read that Obama has secured over a billion in earmarks for his state (not sure if that is only one year), and Palin's state was nowhere close to that.

[TheDave]

I read that Obama has secured over a billion in earmarks for his state (not sure if that is only one year), and Palin's state was nowhere close to that.

In fairness, there is a slight population difference between the two...

[MO<1>]

In fairness, there is a slight population difference between the two...


You are right. I have seen Illonois on a map.

[Garcia Bronco]

In fairness, there is a slight population difference between the two...

That depends on what the money was for. We'd have to go line item by line item for that one.

[MO<1>]

“This is my campaign not Sarah Palin’s,” said Sen. Obama at a hastily-arranged news conference. “You people should be talking about me. Why don’t you jump on me for me ripping off (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utHZ7zYytLk) Tom Toles, the Washington Post cartoonist, whose line I repeated almost word-for-word as if I had written it myself. Now, that’s a story!”

http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=3103

[TheDave]

That depends on what the money was for. We'd have to go line item by line item for that one.

Put it on a spreadsheet and lets break it down... :thumbs:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

In fairness, there is a slight population difference between the two...

Not to mention that Obama isn't the one who requested earmarks and then lied about it.

And where does GB the figure "over a billion?"

[MO<1>]

Not to mention that Obama isn't the one who requested earmarks and then lied about it.

And where does GB the figure "over a billion?"

If you don't follow the links, then your are not smart enough to keep asking the same repetitive question. Citizens against waste. Go look, add, and weep. The site is at least the level of an Idaho State graduate.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

This message is hidden because MO<1> is on your ignore list (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/profile.php?do=editlist).

Gotta love the way this feature filters out the right-wing disinfo slingers and RNC spambots. :thumbsup:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[Drek]

I read that Obama has secured over a billion in earmarks for his state (not sure if that is only one year), and Palin's state was nowhere close to that.

Obama requested ~$98M in earmarks last year.

Alaska received $475M, of which Palin asked for nearly all of it.

Illinois has a much bigger population and so receives a lot more governmental aid, but it isn't at the request of Obama.

Hell, Palin hired lobbyists for Alaska and before that Wasilla, managing to pull down $27M in earmarks just for her little town of 5000-7000 residents. (all of which she sunk into frivolous things like sports centers when the infrastructure needed an overhaul).

John McCain has sited an earmark to study bear DNA has the kind of programs he takes issue with. Funny, Alaska received $15M for a seal DNA research program.