Charlie Gibson/Sarah Palin

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Does anyone know when this airs?

Also, how do people feel that her first interview will be this celebrity style, barbara walters esque interview that, no doubt, will be filled with softballs and prepared q and a's. This seems like something paris hilton would do, not someone who could be our president one day soon.

[Bob]

Tonight about 5:00 or 6:00 ABC.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

cool, thanks. Im sure itll be hard hitting journalism <snooze>

[BroncoBuff]

Obviously they perceive some problem with unleashing Palin in an interview setting. Very strange. It remains to be seen how serious that problem is, but I'm guessing it's fairly serious because candidates live and die for free publicity. In the last five days, Obama has done Olbermann, Letterman and O'Reilly, Biden has been on H&C, and McCain and both Democrats did Sunday morning shows. Interviews is what they do, and Palin avoiding them - especially when she has a chance to expand on their convention bump - is strange.

We'll find out more today - Thursday - she's holding her first press conference in of all places Fairbanks, Alaska.

[Bob]

No -- it will not be the type of interviews that Obama has received by the media (minus the Leperchaun's interview.) Actually I thought Obama was asked some of the right questions, but I didnt like the Leperchaun's rudeness/in your face approach -- just ask the questions -- your not running from president Bill.

Anyway, she will not be raked over the coals as badly as we have seen over the past few weeks (I know that is the standard the left has been used to with conservatives) so if he doesnt start with "Bi*** where is the DNA proof you are the mother of that bastard baby?" you might think it is filled with "softballs." The truth is she will be asked more "got-ya" questions -- including those about her faith, whcih will attempt to imply she is evil/stupid for believing in God and actually saying the "G" word in public.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

No -- it will not be the type of interviews that Obama has received by the media (minus the Leperchaun's interview.) Actually I thought Obama was asked some of the right questions, but I didnt like the Leperchaun's rudeness/in your face approach -- just ask the questions -- your not running from president Bill.

Anyway, she will not be raked over the coals as badly as we have seen over the past few weeks (I know that is the standard the left has been used to with conservatives) so if he doesnt start with "Bi*** where is the DNA proof you are the mother of that bastard baby?" you might think it is filled with "softballs." The truth is she will be asked more "got-ya" questions -- including those about her faith, whcih will attempt to imply she is evil/stupid for believing in God and actually saying the "G" word in public.

The interview is pre-taped right? Then i dont trust it.

[BroncoInferno]

No -- it will not be the type of interviews that Obama has received by the media (minus the Leperchaun's interview.) Actually I thought Obama was asked some of the right questions, but didnt like the Leperchaun's rudeness/in your face approach -- just ask the questions -- your not running from president Bill.

Anyway, she will not be raked over the coals as badly as we have seen over the past few weeks (I know that is the standard the left has been used to with conservatives) so if he doesnt start with "Bi*** where is the DNA proof you are the mother of that bastard baby?" you might think it is filled with "softballs." The truth is she will be asked more "got-ya" questions -- including those about her faith, whcih will attempt to imply she is evil/stupid for believing in God and actually saying the "G" word in public.

Can you see our planet from the solar system in which you reside?.

Hopefully, Charlie will have the guts to ask her about the "bridge to nowhere" and the fact that she is on film in support of it back in 2006, while on the campaign trail she's misleading voters with the "I said, thanks, but no thanks" line of BS. Hopefully, he will ask her about the millions of dollars in ear-marks she requested for Alaska when she claims to be a reformer against ear-marking. Hopefully, he will ask her some questions about her foreign policy stances so we will have some clue about what we may be getting into if McCain is elected and then croaks.

[Denver Crush]

There will be no hard questions.....people who do that end up getting their careers ruined.

[TheDave]

This might as well be a Barbra Walters special...

...without the tears of course.

[BroncoBuff]

There will be no hard questions.....people who do that end up getting their careers ruined.
In the news media, the opposite is usually true. Hard-hitting questions are generally rewarded. I realize there's widespread misconception about the news media on this board, but softball questions are not promoted in any news organization. Celebrity shows and Barbara Walters ask different kinds of questions than political ones, so even though I don't care for their shows, I wouldn't call their questions softballs either.

[BroncoInferno]

In the news media, the opposite is usually true. Hard-hitting questions are generally rewarded. I realize there's widespread misconception about the news media on this board, but softball questions are not promoted in any news organization. Celebrity shows and Barbara Walters ask different kinds of questions than political ones, so even though I don't care for their shows, I wouldn't call their questions softballs either.

With the way the McCain camp have been frantically keeping Palin away from anyone in the media, I can't imagine they would have agreed to the interview without some sort of control over the questions and/or editing.

[Hotrod]

The smell of fear from the socialists is getting to be more then I can take.

[TheDave]

The smell of fear from the socialists is getting to be more then I can take.

I just hope we can keep it close... ;)

[BroncoBuff]

With the way the McCain camp have been frantically keeping Palin away from anyone in the media, I can't imagine they would have agreed to the interview without some sort of control over the questions and/or editing.
That's possible for a personality or entertainment magazine interview ... maybe even The View, but this is World News Tonight is the ABC News broadcast of record. I'm 99.99% sure there will be no pre-conditions. In fact, had Palin's people even asked for pre-conditions, that would be a story. ABC might've treated the request itself as confidential, but I'm 100% sure ABC would have immedatley dispatched investigative crews to dig into whatever topic she asked to be kept off limits. The mere request for a pre-condition is like a news tip. I hope people can appreciate that.



Speaking of "off limits," I've been kinda outta the loop the past week or so, what's the deal with Palin's 4-month old kid maybe belonging to the daughter? I watched Bill Maher on Tivo last night .... is it true the daughter missed 5 months of school leading up to the birth date with "mononucleosis"? And that Palin was back to work 3 days after the "birth"? I think family is off limits, but claiming your daughter's baby as yours is certainly a relevant topic. Besides, this kid is a real d!ckhead ... his MySpace page has many violent and overly-macho nonsense .... including "I don't want kids" :~ohyah!:

Betcha $100 the wedding never happens ... in fact, though we'll never prove it, I'll betcha another hundred he's being paid money to "play ball" for the next 54 days.

[Rigs11]

She will get questions on the preganancy, hockey mom, lipstick.. blah blah.And the rightards will praise her for them.

[BroncoInferno]

I hope your right, Buff. If Charlie asks the questions I suggested above and doesn't let her squirm out of it with vagueries, the love affair might take a detour.

[Garcia Bronco]

I've seen excerpts from the interview. She came off rather well. she touched on issues with Georgia, her faith, and more.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

As said, i trust pre-taped interviews about as much as I trust George Bush

[Bob]

Can you see our planet from the solar system in which you reside?.

Hopefully, Charlie will have the guts to ask her about the "bridge to nowhere" and the fact that she is on film in support of it back in 2006, while on the campaign trail she's misleading voters with the "I said, thanks, but no thanks" line of BS. Hopefully, he will ask her about the millions of dollars in ear-marks she requested for Alaska when she claims to be a reformer against ear-marking. Hopefully, he will ask her some questions about her foreign policy stances so we will have some clue about what we may be getting into if McCain is elected and then croaks.

Take time to get the facts on Palin -- Bloggs shouldnt be your only source for truth. Palin come to the conclusion when she got the facts and fought against it -- despite the Alaskian congressmen who were strongly for it -- and said no thanks to funding when it was offered. Obama supported that bridge through out the entire process -- when it was proposed that money that was set to go to the bridge gp to Katrina victims , Obama was still for the bridge to nowehere... so why the double standard for the Messiah?

[Bob]

I've seen excerpts from the interview. She came off rather well. she touched on issues with Georgia, her faith, and more.

No, I am sorry -- she could not have done well as she does not fit the chosen media narrative for how a woman must be in America...

[TheDave]

Wow... Just read the some of the transcript on this.


Looks like i might owe Gibson an apology.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

With the way the McCain camp have been frantically keeping Palin away from anyone in the media, I can't imagine they would have agreed to the interview without some sort of control over the questions and/or editing.

Bingo.

If you have any doubt, remember how the McSame campaign was just able to pressure MSNBC into demoting Matthews and Olberman.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Wow... Just read the some of the transcript on this.


Looks like i might owe Gibson an apology.

can you post it?

[SonOfLe-loLang]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5782924&page=1

She's good at dodging questions.

JUst from reading this, it doesnt appear to be her finest hour. I wish Charlie went into some more specifics because i have a feeling she'd be clueless after her wikipedia lesson.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5782924&page=1

She's good at dodging questions.

JUst from reading this, it doesnt appear to be her finest hour. I wish Charlie went into some more specifics because i have a feeling she'd be clueless after her wikipedia lesson.

Just as I expected - after the intense grilling he gave Obama, he lobbed a few scripted softballs at Britney (I mean Sarah.)

[Bronco Bob]

There will be no hard questions.....people who do that end up getting their careers ruined.

Chris Matthews seems to be doing okay career wise.

[TheDave]

GIBSON: Governor, let me start by asking you a question that I asked John McCain about you, and it is really the central question. Can you look the country in the eye and say "I have the experience and I have the ability to be not just vice president, but perhaps president of the United States of America?"

PALIN: I do, Charlie, and on January 20, when John McCain and I are sworn in, if we are so privileged to be elected to serve this country, will be ready. I'm ready.

GIBSON: And you didn't say to yourself, "Am I experienced enough? Am I ready? Do I know enough about international affairs? Do I -- will I feel comfortable enough on the national stage to do this?"

PALIN: I didn't hesitate, no.

GIBSON: Didn't that take some hubris?

PALIN: I -- I answered him yes because I have the confidence in that readiness and knowing that you can't blink, you have to be wired in a way of being so committed to the mission, the mission that we're on, reform of this country and victory in the war, you can't blink.
So I didn't blink then even when asked to run as his running mate.

GIBSON: But this is not just reforming a government. This is also running a government on the huge international stage in a very dangerous world. When I asked John McCain about your national security credentials, he cited the fact that you have commanded the Alaskan National Guard and that Alaska is close to Russia. Are those sufficient credentials?

PALIN: But it is about reform of government and it's about putting government back on the side of the people, and that has much to do with foreign policy and national security issues Let me speak specifically about a credential that I do bring to this table, Charlie, and that's with the energy independence that I've been working on for these years as the governor of this state that produces nearly 20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy, that I worked on as chairman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, overseeing the oil and gas development in our state to produce more for the United States.

GIBSON: I know. I'm just saying that national security is a whole lot more than energy.

PALIN: It is, but I want you to not lose sight of the fact that energy is a foundation of national security. It's that important. It's that significant.

GIBSON: Did you ever travel outside the country prior to your trip to Kuwait and Germany last year?

PALIN: Canada, Mexico, and then, yes, that trip, that was the trip of a lifetime to visit our troops in Kuwait and stop and visit our injured soldiers in Germany. That was the trip of a lifetime and it changed my life.

GIBSON: Have you ever met a foreign head of state?

PALIN: There in the state of Alaska, our international trade activities bring in many leaders of other countries.

GIBSON: And all governors deal with trade delegations.

PALIN: Right.

GIBSON: Who act at the behest of their governments.

PALIN: Right, right.

GIBSON: I'm talking about somebody who's a head of state, who can negotiate for that country. Ever met one?

PALIN: I have not and I think if you go back in history and if you ask that question of many vice presidents, they may have the same answer that I just gave you. But, Charlie, again, we've got to remember what the desire is in this nation at this time. It is for no more politics as usual and somebody's big, fat resume maybe that shows decades and decades in that Washington establishment, where, yes, they've had opportunities to meet heads of state ... these last couple of weeks ... it has been overwhelming to me that confirmation of the message that Americans are getting sick and tired of that self-dealing and kind of that closed door, good old boy network that has been the Washington elite.

Sarah Palin on God:

GIBSON: You said recently, in your old church, "Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God." Are we fighting a holy war?

PALIN: You know, I don't know if that was my exact quote.

GIBSON: Exact words.

PALIN: But the reference there is a repeat of Abraham Lincoln's words when he said -- first, he suggested never presume to know what God's will is, and I would never presume to know God's will or to speak God's words.
But what Abraham Lincoln had said, and that's a repeat in my comments, was let us not pray that God is on our side in a war or any other time, but let us pray that we are on God's side. That's what that comment was all about, Charlie. And I do believe, though, that this war against extreme Islamic terrorists is the right thing. It's an unfortunate thing, because war is hell and I hate war, and, Charlie, today is the day that I send my first born, my son, my teenage son overseas with his Stryker brigade, 4,000 other wonderful American men and women, to fight for our country, for democracy, for our freedoms. Charlie, those are freedoms that too many of us just take for granted. I hate war and I want to see war ended. We end war when we see victory, and we do see victory in sight in Iraq.

GIBSON: I take your point about Lincoln's words, but you went on and said, "There is a plan and it is God's plan."

PALIN: I believe that there is a plan for this world and that plan for this world is for good. I believe that there is great hope and great potential for every country to be able to live and be protected with inalienable rights that I believe are God-given, Charlie, and I believe that those are the rights to life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

That, in my world view, is a grand -- the grand plan.

GIBSON: But then are you sending your son on a task that is from God?

PALIN: I don't know if the task is from God, Charlie. What I know is that my son has made a decision. I am so proud of his independent and strong decision he has made, what he decided to do and serving for the right reasons and serving something greater than himself and not choosing a real easy path where he could be more comfortable and certainly safer.

Sarah Palin on National Security:

GIBSON: Let me ask you about some specific national security situations.

PALIN: Sure.

GIBSON: Let's start, because we are near Russia, let's start with Russia and Georgia.

The administration has said we've got to maintain the territorial integrity of Georgia. Do you believe the United States should try to restore Georgian sovereignty over South Ossetia and Abkhazia?

PALIN: First off, we're going to continue good relations with Saakashvili there. I was able to speak with him the other day and giving him my commitment, as John McCain's running mate, that we will be committed to Georgia. And we've got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable and we have to keep...

GIBSON: You believe unprovoked.

PALIN: I do believe unprovoked and we have got to keep our eyes on Russia, under the leadership there. I think it was unfortunate. That manifestation that we saw with that invasion of Georgia shows us some steps backwards that Russia has recently taken away from the race toward a more democratic nation with democratic ideals.That's why we have to keep an eye on Russia.
And, Charlie, you're in Alaska. We have that very narrow maritime border between the United States, and the 49th state, Alaska, and Russia. They are our next door neighbors.We need to have a good relationship with them. They're very, very important to us and they are our next door neighbor.

GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?

PALIN: They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.

GIBSON: What insight does that give you into what they're doing in Georgia?

PALIN: Well, I'm giving you that perspective of how small our world is and how important it is that we work with our allies to keep good relation with all of these countries, especially Russia. We will not repeat a Cold War. We must have good relationship with our allies, pressuring, also, helping us to remind Russia that it's in their benefit, also, a mutually beneficial relationship for us all to be getting along.

Sarah Palin on Russia:

We cannot repeat the Cold War. We are thankful that, under Reagan, we won the Cold War, without a shot fired, also. We've learned lessons from that in our relationship with Russia, previously the Soviet Union.

We will not repeat a Cold War. We must have good relationship with our allies, pressuring, also, helping us to remind Russia that it's in their benefit, also, a mutually beneficial relationship for us all to be getting along.

GIBSON: Would you favor putting Georgia and Ukraine in NATO?

PALIN: Ukraine, definitely, yes. Yes, and Georgia.

GIBSON: Because Putin has said he would not tolerate NATO incursion into the Caucasus.

PALIN: Well, you know, the Rose Revolution, the Orange Revolution, those actions have showed us that those democratic nations, I believe, deserve to be in NATO.

Putin thinks otherwise. Obviously, he thinks otherwise, but...

GIBSON: And under the NATO treaty, wouldn't we then have to go to war if Russia went into Georgia?

PALIN: Perhaps so. I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you're going to be expected to be called upon and help.

But NATO, I think, should include Ukraine, definitely, at this point and I think that we need to -- especially with new leadership coming in on January 20, being sworn on, on either ticket, we have got to make sure that we strengthen our allies, our ties with each one of those NATO members.

We have got to make sure that that is the group that can be counted upon to defend one another in a very dangerous world today.

GIBSON: And you think it would be worth it to the United States, Georgia is worth it to the United States to go to war if Russia were to invade.

PALIN: What I think is that smaller democratic countries that are invaded by a larger power is something for us to be vigilant against. We have got to be cognizant of what the consequences are if a larger power is able to take over smaller democratic countries.

And we have got to be vigilant. We have got to show the support, in this case, for Georgia. The support that we can show is economic sanctions perhaps against Russia, if this is what it leads to.

It doesn't have to lead to war and it doesn't have to lead, as I said, to a Cold War, but economic sanctions, diplomatic pressure, again, counting on our allies to help us do that in this mission of keeping our eye on Russia and Putin and some of his desire to control and to control much more than smaller democratic countries.

His mission, if it is to control energy supplies, also, coming from and through Russia, that's a dangerous position for our world to be in, if we were to allow that to happen.

Sarah Palin on Iran and Israel:

GIBSON: Let me turn to Iran. Do you consider a nuclear Iran to be an existential threat to Israel?

PALIN: I believe that under the leadership of Ahmadinejad, nuclear weapons in the hands of his government are extremely dangerous to everyone on this globe, yes.

GIBSON: So what should we do about a nuclear Iran? John McCain said the only thing worse than a war with Iran would be a nuclear Iran. John Abizaid said we may have to live with a nuclear Iran. Who's right?

PALIN: No, no. I agree with John McCain that nuclear weapons in the hands of those who would seek to destroy our allies, in this case, we're talking about Israel, we're talking about Ahmadinejad's comment about Israel being the "stinking corpse, should be wiped off the face of the earth," that's atrocious. That's unacceptable.

GIBSON: So what do you do about a nuclear Iran?

PALIN: We have got to make sure that these weapons of mass destruction, that nuclear weapons are not given to those hands of Ahmadinejad, not that he would use them, but that he would allow terrorists to be able to use them. So we have got to put the pressure on Iran and we have got to count on our allies to help us, diplomatic pressure.

GIBSON: But, Governor, we've threatened greater sanctions against Iran for a long time. It hasn't done any good. It hasn't stemmed their nuclear program.

PALIN: We need to pursue those and we need to implement those. We cannot back off. We cannot just concede that, oh, gee, maybe they're going to have nuclear weapons, what can we do about it. No way, not Americans. We do not have to stand for that.

GIBSON: What if Israel decided it felt threatened and needed to take out the Iranian nuclear facilities?

PALIN: Well, first, we are friends with Israel and I don't think that we should second guess the measures that Israel has to take to defend themselves and for their security.

GIBSON: So if we wouldn't second guess it and they decided they needed to do it because Iran was an existential threat, we would cooperative or agree with that.

PALIN: I don't think we can second guess what Israel has to do to secure its nation.

GIBSON: So if it felt necessary, if it felt the need to defend itself by taking out Iranian nuclear facilities, that would be all right.

PALIN: We cannot second guess the steps that Israel has to take to defend itself.

Sarah Palin on 'the Bush Doctrine':

GIBSON: We talk on the anniversary of 9/11. Why do you think those hijackers attacked? Why did they want to hurt us?

PALIN: You know, there is a very small percentage of Islamic believers who are extreme and they are violent and they do not believe in American ideals, and they attacked us and now we are at a point here seven years later, on the anniversary, in this post-9/11 world, where we're able to commit to never again. They see that the only option for them is to become a suicide bomber, to get caught up in this evil, in this terror. They need to be provided the hope that all Americans have instilled in us, because we're a democratic, we are a free, and we are a free-thinking society.

GIBSON: Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?

PALIN: In what respect, Charlie?

GIBSON: The Bush -- well, what do you -- what do you interpret it to be?

PALIN: His world view.

GIBSON: No, the Bush doctrine, enunciated September 2002, before the Iraq war.

PALIN: I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hell bent on destroying our nation. There have been blunders along the way, though. There have been mistakes made. And with new leadership, and that's the beauty of American elections, of course, and democracy, is with new leadership comes opportunity to do things better.

GIBSON: The Bush doctrine, as I understand it, is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense, that we have the right to a preemptive strike against any other country that we think is going to attack us. Do you agree with that?

PALIN: I agree that a president's job, when they swear in their oath to uphold our Constitution, their top priority is to defend the United States of America.

I know that John McCain will do that and I, as his vice president, families we are blessed with that vote of the American people and are elected to serve and are sworn in on January 20, that will be our top priority is to defend the American people.

GIBSON: Do we have a right to anticipatory self-defense? Do we have a right to make a preemptive strike again another country if we feel that country might strike us?

PALIN: Charlie, if there is legitimate and enough intelligence that tells us that a strike is imminent against American people, we have every right to defend our country. In fact, the president has the obligation, the duty to defend.

GIBSON: Do we have the right to be making cross-border attacks into Pakistan from Afghanistan, with or without the approval of the Pakistani government?

PALIN: Now, as for our right to invade, we're going to work with these countries, building new relationships, working with existing allies, but forging new, also, in order to, Charlie, get to a point in this world where war is not going to be a first option. In fact, war has got to be, a military strike, a last option.

GIBSON: But, Governor, I'm asking you: We have the right, in your mind, to go across the border with or without the approval of the Pakistani government.

PALIN: In order to stop Islamic extremists, those terrorists who would seek to destroy America and our allies, we must do whatever it takes and we must not blink, Charlie, in making those tough decisions of where we go and even who we target.

GIBSON: And let me finish with this. I got lost in a blizzard of words there. Is that a yes? That you think we have the right to go across the border with or without the approval of the Pakistani government, to go after terrorists who are in the Waziristan area?

PALIN: I believe that America has to exercise all options in order to stop the terrorists who are hell bent on destroying America and our allies. We have got to have all options out there on the table.

[Bronco Bob]

Obama supported that bridge through out the entire process[/B]

Don't be a dope. The bill was part of a broad highway appropriations bill.
You act like Obama got up on the senate floor and said we need to
build a bridge to nowhere in Alaska. It was Ted Steven of Alaska who
put in the clause to fund the bridge. We do need bridges to do go
somewhere. Was Obama supposed to vote no on those just to stop
one bridge that an Alaskan senator stuck in the bill? Shame on the
Alaskans, not shame on Obama.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

that I worked on as chairman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, overseeing the oil and gas development in our state to produce more for the United States.

Hilarious!

Are you kidding me?

She was given that position as a patronage perk, and got paid >$100K per year for doing next to nothing. Still, she hated the job, and tried to find a way to weasel out of it without offending the rethugs who put her there. She eventually tried to find a way to quit the job and create publicity for herself at the same time by calling for the elimination of the position - saying it was an example of wasteful government spending.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I thought he had some nice q's...she looked especially dumb on the proximity of russia thing. But he didnt dig deeper (at least from the snippets)

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Hilarious!

Are you kidding me?

She was given that position as a patronage perk, and got paid >$100K per year for doing next to nothing. Still, she hated the job, and tried to find a way to weasel out of it without offending the rethugs who put her there. She eventually tried to find a way to quit the job and create publicity for herself at the same time by calling for the elimination of the position - saying it was an example of wasteful government spending.

ALso, i dont quite understand how an "expert of energy" fails to understand that there's an energy crisis and that we need ALTERNATIVE energy and that should be our main goal

[TheDave]

This isn't admiral stockdale, but this lady is OBVIOUSLY in over her head. If she doesn't improve significantly by her debate she is going to get owned.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

ALso, i dont quite understand how an "expert of energy" fails to understand that there's an energy crisis and that we need ALTERNATIVE energy and that should be our main goal

To say nothing of the fact that she gave this as an answer to the question re: her knowledge of foreign affairs. :D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

This isn't admiral stockdale, but this lady is OBVIOUSLY in over her head. If she doesn't improve significantly by her debate she is going to get owned.

And that is despite the obvious cuts and sloppy editing that probably savewd her butt.

She certainly did her utmost to dodge the question about incursions into Pakistan.

That was funny to read. :laugh:

[TheDave]

She certainly did her utmost to dodge the question about incursions into Pakistan.

That was funny to read. :laugh:

I'm watching it right now... Waite until you see it. :thumbs:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I'm watching it right now... Waite until you see it. :thumbs:

Holy crap - I don't see how the righties can see this as anything other than embarrassing. :D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Heh!

She's really trying to back away from her comments about the war in Iraq being a "task from God," eh? :laugh:

[Drek]

GIBSON: Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?

PALIN: In what respect, Charlie?

GIBSON: The Bush -- well, what do you -- what do you interpret it to be?

PALIN: His world view.

GIBSON: No, the Bush doctrine, enunciated September 2002, before the Iraq war.

PALIN: I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hell bent on destroying our nation. There have been blunders along the way, though. There have been mistakes made. And with new leadership, and that's the beauty of American elections, of course, and democracy, is with new leadership comes opportunity to do things better.

GIBSON: The Bush doctrine, as I understand it, is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense, that we have the right to a preemptive strike against any other country that we think is going to attack us. Do you agree with that?


The HELL?

Seriously?

And people want someone this out of touch with national security and foreign affairs issues that close to being President?

Sounds like a great way to get ourselves another Bush.

[TheDave]

Holy crap - I don't see how the righties can see this as anything other than embarrassing. :D

They will find some way of spinning but normal people are going to get an uncomfortable feeling from this...

[Mr.Meanie]

I only saw the ABC news clip on drudge about her views on God and war... but that interview really seemed much better in print. She seemed incredibly unsure in every answer, and that part was just her personal opinions, not foreign policy or something complex. The last part with the pakistan govt was looks bad on paper, and probably is really embarrassing on tv...

[Bob]

With the way the McCain camp have been frantically keeping Palin away from anyone in the media, I can't imagine they would have agreed to the interview without some sort of control over the questions and/or editing.

You have no basis for thinking she cant think and speak well... you have fallen into the mistake of believing your own preconceptions and charicterizations of teh right -- she is bright, and she is right, and she will be handle hard questions and she will be able to answer most of the well and with clear answers. She will not need to talk around what she really feels as what she really feels is not Socialist drivel, that has to be answered very, very carefully.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You have no basis for thinking she cant think and speak well...

Hilarious!

[TheDave]

You have no basis for thinking she cant think and speak well... you have fallen into the mistake of believing your own preconceptions and charicterizations of teh right -- she is bright, and she is right, and she will be handle hard questions and she will be able to answer most of the well and with clear answers. She will not need to talk around what she really feels as what she really feels is not Socialist drivel, that has to be answered very, very carefully.

Actually having just watched it, I have plenty of basis.

Your publicity stunt VP is obviously in over her head.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

They will find some way of spinning but normal people are going to get an uncomfortable feeling from this...

Yep.

Anyone with two brain cells to rub together is saying "WTF?" right about now.

[yerner]

You have no basis for thinking she cant think and speak well... you have fallen into the mistake of believing your own preconceptions and charicterizations of teh right -- she is bright, and she is right, and she will be handle hard questions and she will be able to answer most of the well and with clear answers. She will not need to talk around what she really feels as what she really feels is not Socialist drivel, that has to be answered very, very carefully.

No basis for thinking she can't speak well? Did you just see that interview? She's bizarro.

[Bob]

Don't be a dope. The bill was part of a broad highway appropriations bill.
You act like Obama got up on the senate floor and said we need to
build a bridge to nowhere in Alaska. It was Ted Steven of Alaska who
put in the clause to fund the bridge. We do need bridges to do go
somewhere. Was Obama supposed to vote no on those just to stop
one bridge that an Alaskan senator stuck in the bill? Shame on the
Alaskans, not shame on Obama.

Idiot -- Obama supported the Bridge that teh left is giving Palin a hard time for supposedly supporting ... sorry the truth is irrelivant, but Obama was a supporter in the end and Palin fought against it.

[Spider]

ALso, i dont quite understand how an "expert of energy" fails to understand that there's an energy crisis and that we need ALTERNATIVE energy and that should be our main goal

Thats because there is no energy crisis , never has been ...... the Crisis is about as legit as the blackouts in Cali and Enron .........

[Bob]

Also, you see how Obama responds to anything unscripted .. he's only average at best -- and thats with the media coaxing the inexperienced Community Organizer around...

[yerner]

Thats because there is no energy crisis , never has been ...... the Crisis is about as legit as the blackouts in Cali and Enron .........

I don't understand this ?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Idiot -- Obama supported the Bridge that teh left is giving Palin a hard time for supposedly supporting ... sorry the truth is irrelivant, but Obama was a supporter in the end and Palin fought against it.

:rofl:

Watching the convoluted reasoning you're using to excuse her for being 'for the bridge to nowhere before she was against it' is too funny.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Also, you see how Obama responds to anything unscripted .. he's only average at best -- and thats with the media coaxing the inexperienced Community Organizer around...

???

Can you see our solar system from your planet?

[Drek]

Idiot -- Obama supported the Bridge that teh left is giving Palin a hard time for supposedly supporting ... sorry the truth is irrelivant, but Obama was a supporter in the end and Palin fought against it.

Obama supported a multi-billion dollar transportation and infrastructure bill that happened to include it.

Palin ran for governor specifically mentioning, in an TV interview, that she would utilize the Republican congress to get just as many earmarks for the state as possible, including the bridge to nowhere.

She didn't oppose it until it was a dead issue in congress and they'd already received a fist full of money in other earmarks.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Obama supported a multi-billion dollar transportation and infrastructure bill that happened to include it.

Palin ran for governor specifically mentioning, in an TV interview, that she would utilize the Republican congress to get just as many earmarks for the state as possible, including the bridge to nowhere.

She didn't oppose it until it was a dead issue in congress and they'd already received a fist full of money in other earmarks.

Also, as mayor of Wasilla, she hired a private lobbying firm in the effort to get more earmark spending for her town.

[TheDave]

Obama supported a multi-billion dollar transportation and infrastructure bill that happened to include it.

Palin ran for governor specifically mentioning, in an TV interview, that she would utilize the Republican congress to get just as many earmarks for the state as possible, including the bridge to nowhere.

She didn't oppose it until it was a dead issue in congress and they'd already received a fist full of money in other earmarks.


He knows that... he's just mad that Super Girl just looked...welll... not so super.

[Bob]

And I also hear from Keith Olberman that she belongs to a cult that breeds and later slaughters Down Syndrome children for Alaskian hunting practice...

Go to www.factcheck.org

[frerottenextelway]

The HELL?

Seriously?

And people want someone this out of touch with national security and foreign affairs issues that close to being President?

Sounds like a great way to get ourselves another Bush.

This is just amazing.

[TheDave]

And I also hear from Keith Olberman that she belongs to a cult that breeds and later slaughters Down Syndrome children for Alaskian hunting practice...

Go to www.factcheck.org

Sorry your boy reached for a publicity stunt and not a real VP. If he felt that a woman was the right thing to do there were plenty of experinced candidates available.

[Drek]

And I also hear from Keith Olberman that she belongs to a cult that breeds and later slaughters Down Syndrome children for Alaskian hunting practice...

Go to www.factcheck.org

Awwww. Feeling a little defensive?

Funny that the right has to rely on unaffiliated news personalities and bloggers to show the "dirt" coming from the left.

Meanwhile you can look at a half dozen commercials from McCain's campaign that use twisted quotes, half-truths, and outright lies to smear Obama.

[yerner]

She says, " Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God. There is a plan and it is God's plan"

Then compares this to Lincoln's quote, " Don't pray that God's on our side, pray that we're on God's side."

Aren't these complete opposites ideas? As if she didn't understand Lincoln's idea. She's presumming that she's right, while Lincoln is saying that he is not sure. No?

[Spider]

Speaking as a Mac Davis fan ..... this aint good

[TheDave]

Speaking as a Mac Davis fan ..... this aint good


Are you kidding me... This is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!

[Spider]

Are you kidding me... This is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!

;D gotta Love Mac Davis .. Loved him in North Dallas 40 , his TV show was funny , wrote alot of Elvis song ......... right now I am playing Billy Crash Craddock ;D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

She says, " Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God. There is a plan and it is God's plan"

Then compares this to Lincoln's quote, " Don't pray that God's on our side, pray that we're on God's side."

Aren't these complete opposites ideas? As if she didn't understand Lincoln's idea. She's presumming that she's right, while Lincoln is saying that he is not sure. No?

Noticed that too.

She makes Bush look like a Rhodes Scholar. Ha!

[SonOfLe-loLang]

This is by far my fav:

GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?

PALIN: They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.

GIBSON: What insight does that give you into what they're doing in Georgia?

PALIN: Well, I'm giving you that perspective of how small our world is and how important it is that we work with our allies to keep good relation with all of these countries, especially Russia. We will not repeat a Cold War. We must have good relationship with our allies, pressuring, also, helping us to remind Russia that it's in their benefit, also, a mutually beneficial relationship for us all to be getting along.

[yerner]

Noticed that too.

She makes Bush look like a Rhodes Scholar. Ha!

thanks man. this is the type of thing they cross out in red in any college level course and ask you to reconsider and think deeper. i thought i was going nuts.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

thanks man. this is the type of thing they cross out in red in any college level course and ask you to reconsider and think deeper. i thought i was going nuts.

That's why Caribou Barbie is the darling of every right-wing mouth breather who has never taken a college course and feels nothing but contempt for anyone who has.

Voting for vacuous bobble heads like Bush and Palin is their way of striking back at those "elitists" (read: people who made it past the fifth grade.)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

This is by far my fav:

GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?

PALIN: They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.

GIBSON: What insight does that give you into what they're doing in Georgia?

PALIN: Well, I'm giving you that perspective of how small our world is and how important it is that we work with our allies to keep good relation with all of these countries, especially Russia. We will not repeat a Cold War. We must have good relationship with our allies, pressuring, also, helping us to remind Russia that it's in their benefit, also, a mutually beneficial relationship for us all to be getting along.

:rofl:

This would be fine if she were competing for the title of Miss America - as opposed to the second highest office in the land.

[Bronco Bob]

And I also hear from Keith Olberman that she belongs to a cult that breeds and later slaughters Down Syndrome children for Alaskian hunting practice...

Go to www.factcheck.org

Okay, so I went to factcheck, and I couldn't find a single thing about Olberman,
let alone the things you claimed he said.

I did find this little tidbit, though:

Sarah Palin’s much-awaited speech at the Republican National Convention on Wednesday night may have shown she could play the role of attack dog, but it also showed her to be short on facts when it came to touting her own record and going after Obama’s.

We found Rudy Giuliani, who introduced her, to be as factually challenged as he sometimes was back when he was in the race. But Mike Huckabee may have laid the biggest egg of all.

* Palin may have said “Thanks, but no thanks” on the Bridge to Nowhere, though not until Congress had pretty much killed it already. But that was a sharp turnaround from the position she took during her gubernatorial campaign, and the town where she was mayor received lots of earmarks during her tenure.

* Palin’s accusation that Obama hasn’t authored “a single major law or even a reform” in the U.S. Senate or the Illinois Senate is simply not a fair assessment. Obama has helped push through major ethics reforms in both bodies, for example.

* The Alaska governor avoided some of McCain’s false claims about Obama’s tax program – but her attacks still failed to give the whole story.

* Giuliani distorted the time line and substance of Obama’s statements about the conflict between Russia and Georgia. In fact, there was much less difference between his statements and those of McCain than Giuliani would have had us believe.

* Giuliani also said McCain had been a fighter pilot. Actually, McCain’s plane was the A-4 Skyhawk, a small bomber. It was the only plane he trained in or flew in combat, according to McCain’s own memoir.

* Finally, Huckabee told conventioneers and TV viewers that Palin got more votes when she ran for mayor of Wasilla than Biden did running for president. Not even close. The tally: Biden, 79,754, despite withdrawing from the race after the Iowa caucuses. Palin, 909 in her 1999 race, 651 in 1996.

And this:

This is not the first time Palin has cited her choice to kill the bridge in 2007 as an example of her anti-waste stance. It’s true that she did eventually nix the project. But the bridge was nearly dead already – Congress had removed the earmark, giving the requested money to the state but not marking it for any specific use. Palin unplugged its life support, declaring in 2007 that the funds would not be used for the Gravina bridge.

When she was running for governor, however, Palin expressed a different position. In 2006, the Ketchikan Daily News quoted her expressing optimism and support for the bridge at a Ketchikan campaign stop.


Honestly, do you guys even read the links you post?

[Bronco Bob]

;D gotta Love Mac Davis .. Loved him in North Dallas 40 ,

One of the best football movies ever.

[JCMElway]

This is by far my fav:

GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?

PALIN: They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.

GIBSON: What insight does that give you into what they're doing in Georgia?

PALIN: Well, I'm giving you that perspective of how small our world is and how important it is that we work with our allies to keep good relation with all of these countries, especially Russia. We will not repeat a Cold War. We must have good relationship with our allies, pressuring, also, helping us to remind Russia that it's in their benefit, also, a mutually beneficial relationship for us all to be getting along.

Wow. Just.....wow. I will admit that, as a Dem, I've been a little nervous over the past week or so with the Palin mania, but quotes like this just make me believe that Biden is going to wipe the walls with her on Oct 2.

Please someone tell me that the media and op-ed writers are going to call her out on this abysmal performance!

[Bronco Bob]

Wow. Just.....wow. I will admit that, as a Dem, I've been a little nervous over the past week or so with the Palin mania, but quotes like this just make me believe that Biden is going to wipe the walls with her on Oct 2.

Please someone tell me that the media and op-ed writers are going to call her out on this abysmal performance!

Let's home so. If the right is going to keep tarring it as the "liberal" media,
then I say hell yeah, go for it. If the media can bring down the Clinton machine,
McCain/Palin ought to be a walk in the park for the media.

The media are getting mad.

Whether it's the latest back-and-forth over attack ads, the silly lipstick flap or the continuing debate over Sarah and sexism, you can just feel the tension level rising several notches.

Maybe it's a sense that this is crunch time, that the election is on the line, that the press is being manipulated (not that there's anything new about that).

News outlets are increasingly challenging false or questionable claims by the McCain campaign, whether it's the ad accusing Obama of supporting sex-ed for kindergartners (the Illinois legislation clearly describes "age-appropriate" programs) or Palin's repeated boast that she stopped the Bridge to Nowhere (after she had supported it, and after Congress had effectively killed the specific earmark).

The McCain camp has already accused the MSM of trying to "destroy" the governor of Alaska. So any challenge to her record or her veracity can now be cast as the product of an oh-so-unfair press. Which, needless to say, doesn't exactly please reporters, and makes the whole hanging-with-McCain-on-the-Straight-Talk era seem 100 years ago.

As for the sudden insistence that Palin is a delicate flower who must be shielded from harsh rhetoric, take this example. Joe Biden, asked if Palin as VP would be a step forward for women, said: "Look, I think the issue is: What does Sarah Palin think? What does she believe? I assume she thinks and agrees with the same policies that George Bush and John McCain think. And that's obviously a backward step for women."

A typical political shot? Not according to the RNC, which said the "arrogant" remarks are "better suited for the backrooms of his old boys' club," while Palin is trying to break "the highest glass ceiling."

Of course, she wasn't picked because she is a woman, was she? And I'm sure if Hillary was the nominee, the RNC would be extremely respectful of her attempt to shatter an even higher glass ceiling.

The lipstick imbroglio is evidence that the Drudge/Fox/New York Post axis can drive just about any story into mainstream land. Does anyone seriously believe that Barack Obama was calling Sarah Palin a pig? What about the fact that McCain has used "lipstick on a pig" before? What about the book by that title by former McCain aide Torie Clarke? Never mind: get the cable bookers to line up women on opposite sides of the lipstick divide and let them claw at each other!

Obama, punching back about "phony outrage," knows where to point the finger:

"What their campaign has done this morning is the same game that has made people sick and tired of politics in this country. They seize on an innocent remark, try to take it out of context, throw out an outrageous ad because they know it's catnip for the news media. . . . See, it would be funny, it would be funny except, of course, the news media decided that was the lead story yesterday."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/11/AR2008091100793.html

[Rohirrim]

This is by far my fav:

GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?

PALIN: They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.

GIBSON: What insight does that give you into what they're doing in Georgia?

PALIN: Well, I'm giving you that perspective of how small our world is and how important it is that we work with our allies to keep good relation with all of these countries, especially Russia. We will not repeat a Cold War. We must have good relationship with our allies, pressuring, also, helping us to remind Russia that it's in their benefit, also, a mutually beneficial relationship for us all to be getting along.

You have got to be kidding? I mean really. This is some kind of ****ing joke. Yikes!

[Traveler]

Where's dman to defend SP? It'll be interesting to hear his spin on her "performance."

[Taco John]

This interview reveals her as unfit for command. And I like Sarah Palin...

The fact that she doesn't know what the Bush Doctrine is show that she is a foriegn policy lightweight who would be a serious liability to our nation in a position of power:

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I don't care who says what - this is utterly indefensible. No one who believes in the security of this nation can accept this level of ignorance in the theories of foriegn policy. When a guy on a backwater political discussion board by the handle "Taco John" can rattle off without even thinking the meaning of "Bush Doctrine" and a person who is potentially a heartbeat away from the presidency has to squirm her way through it, people should be concerned.

She is unfit for command.

[Bronco Bob]

Questions Charlie should have asked if he didn't:

What kind of budget-cutter makes a show of getting rid of the state plane, then turns around and bills taxpayers for the travel of her husband and kids between Juneau and Wasilla and sticks the state with a per-diem tab to stay in her own home?

Why was Sarah for the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against the Bridge to Nowhere, and why was she for earmarks before she was against them? And doesn’t all this make her just as big a flip-flopper as John Kerry?

What kind of fiscal conservative raises taxes and increases budgets in both her jobs — as mayor and as governor?

When the phone rings at 3 a.m., will she call the Wasilla Assembly of God congregation and ask them to pray on a response, as she asked them to pray for a natural gas pipeline?

Does she really think Adam, Eve, Satan and the dinosaurs mingled on the earth 5,000 years ago?

Why put out a press release about her teenage daughter’s pregnancy and then spend the next few days attacking the press for covering that press release?

As Troopergate unfolds here — an inquiry into whether Palin inappropriately fired the commissioner of public safety for refusing to fire her ex-brother-in-law — it raises this question: Who else is on her enemies list and what might she do with the F.B.I.?

Does she want a federal ban on trans fat in restaurants and a ban on abortion and Harry Potter? And which books exactly would have landed on the literature bonfire if she had had her way with that Wasilla librarian?

Just how is it that Fannie and Freddie have cost taxpayers money (since they haven’t yet)?

Does she talk in tongues or just eat caribou tongues?

What does she have against polar bears?

[sutoazul]

This interview reveals her as unfit for command. And I like Sarah Palin...

The fact that she doesn't know what the Bush Doctrine is show that she is a foriegn policy lightweight who would be a serious liability to our nation in a position of power:


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I don't care who says what - this is utterly indefensible. No one who believes in the security of this nation can accept this level of ignorance in the theories of foriegn policy. When a guy on a backwater political discussion board by the handle "Taco John" can rattle off without even thinking the meaning of "Bush Doctrine" and a person who is potentially a heartbeat away from the presidency has to squirm her way through it, people should be concerned.

She is unfit for command.

Wow, Taco, I read the entire script I thought she was just dodging the question, but after seeing the video you posted: is obvious she's cluuuueeeless!!
I think McCain made a extremely poor choice for his VP.

[BroncoBuff]

You have no basis for thinking she cant think and speak well... you have fallen into the mistake of believing your own preconceptions and charicterizations of teh right -- she is bright, and she is right, and she will be handle hard questions and she will be able to answer most of the well and with clear answers.
Why are YOU so certain? You're the one whose opinion has no basis. This was her first interview, so how can you be so sure she will handle hard questions so well? (Sinking in? PLEASE tell me you get this.)

Something is indeed strange about how they kept her away from the media for so long ... she generated excitement at the convention, and the smart move would have been to put her in front of every camera possible to expand the convention bump. And yet she's been nowhere. That is VERY plausible reason to believe she's not ready for prime time.

And indeed, she apparently she did not know what the Bush Doctrine is. That's sad ... McCain is a 72 year-old cancer survivor. A running mate who's ready to be president should have been a top priority, and yet he chose somebody who does not appear to be ready for the big stage. The next 54 days will be fun to watch ... I'm betting there will be numerous Quayle-like gaffes.

[BroncoBuff]

The idea that Alaska being "next door" to Russia qualifies as foreign policy experience might be the dumbest, most desperate rationalization I have ever heard in my life.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Please someone tell me that the media and op-ed writers are going to call her out on this abysmal performance!

The same media that just demoted Matthews and Olberman in response to pressure from its corporate masters, i.e., the right?

I hope so, but I'm not holding my breath.

[MO<1>]

The idea that Alaska being "next door" to Russia qualifies as foreign policy experience might be the dumbest, most desperate rationalization I have ever heard in my life.

It has to be at least the 3d, because the first dumbest is "I went to Harvard and I have set on a committee."

The 2d dumbest is Biden claim he knew all about Indians because you can't go in a convenience store without seeing one. Hilarious!

[BroncoInferno]

Man, Palin is even more clueless than I thought. He rresponse to the question about Russia was one of the most ridiculous things I've heard a politician try to sell. But I'm sure Bob will sweep in to give us the spin from his alternate universe.

[TailgateNut]

It has to be at least the 3d, because the first dumbest is "I went to Harvard and I have set on a committee."

The 2d dumbest is Biden claim he knew all about Indians because you can't go in a convenience store without seeing one. Hilarious!

The deflection committee is hard at work today! How did the Milf do in your tainted eyes/ ears?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The deflection committee is hard at work today! How did the Milf do in your tainted eyes/ ears?

I'm sure he'll get back to you as soon as he gets his e-mail with today's RNC talking points.

Meanwhile, any guesses on today's 527 ad from the McTurtleHead campaign?

"Obama drafted a bill that would force pre-schoolers to march in gay parades while burning the flag and urinating on a stack of Bibles!"

[socalorado]

Weeeeeel, i have tried to get some feedback on this interview, and so far
http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/09/did_palin_pass.html

September 12, 2008
Did Palin Pass? (http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/09/did_palin_pass.html)
Posted by TOM BEVAN | E-Mail This (http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/09/did_palin_pass.html#) | Permalink (http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/09/did_palin_pass.html) | Email Author (tom@realclearpolitics.com)
<!-- Article Body Start -->Lynn Sweet (http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/1158562,sweetblog091108.article) says "yes."
Andrew Sullivan (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/palin-on-the-bu.html), in his typical measured tone, calls Palin "an absurdity" and "a joke."
Yuval Levin (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZDc1YWMzNjYwYjAyMjU2ZmZhOGYzYWVhMTYwMjAyZGM=) says Palin came off "a bit nervous but pretty strong."
Josh Marshall (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/216003.php) says on the issue of Georgia entering NATO Palin merely articulated "the logical inference of McCain & Co.'s unhinged policy vis a vis Russia" - and then has to post an update explaining why this is somehow different from Obama and Biden, both of whom support the same policy.
Kirsten Powers (http://www.nypost.com/seven/09122008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/abcs_bungles_128726.htm) says ABC News and Charlie Gibson botched the interview with questions and editing.
Hugh Hewitt (http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/09/Charles%20Gibson%20threw%20fastballs%20--fair,%20but%20hard%20fastballs--%20and%20Sarah%20Palin%20connected%20on%20every%20 one%20save%20the%20Bush%20Doctrine%20and%20even%20 there%20she%20recovered%20nicely,%20demonstrating% 20a%20poise%20that%20will%20serve%20her%20very%20w ell%20in%20the%20next%2054%20days.) though Gibson was tough but fair, and that Palin responded well on every question except the Bush Doctrine.
Steve Benen (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_09/014676.php) of Washington Monthly wrote: "Gibson exceeded my expectations, asking reasonable, substantive questions, and Palin fell short of my expectations, appearing unprepared, programmed, and generally unaware of current events."
Taylor Marsh's (http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=28388) concise summary: "Review? Lowered expectations going in. Quick study. Holds her own. Point to Palin."
Lanny Davis (http://www.politico.com/arena/) says she passed last night, but the jury remains out: "The question remains: can she avoid the "James Stockdale" moment (which she did tonight--we can say that much) --she didn't say, 'Who am I? What am I doing here?". She did tonight. But if I were the McCain campaign, I'd still be worried that at any time, unexpectedly, Governor Palin might have such a spontaneous moment. And then that could be the turning point."

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

But if I were the McCain campaign, I'd still be worried that at any time, unexpectedly, Governor Palin might have such a spontaneous moment. And then that could be the turning point."

Bingo.

It's only a matter of time.

[BroncoInferno]

Weeeeeel, i have tried to get some feedback on this interview, and so far
http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/09/did_palin_pass.html

September 12, 2008
Did Palin Pass? (http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/09/did_palin_pass.html)
Posted by TOM BEVAN | E-Mail This (http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/09/did_palin_pass.html#) | Permalink (http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/09/did_palin_pass.html) | Email Author (tom@realclearpolitics.com)
<!-- Article Body Start -->Lynn Sweet (http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/1158562,sweetblog091108.article) says "yes."
Andrew Sullivan (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/palin-on-the-bu.html), in his typical measured tone, calls Palin "an absurdity" and "a joke."
Yuval Levin (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZDc1YWMzNjYwYjAyMjU2ZmZhOGYzYWVhMTYwMjAyZGM=) says Palin came off "a bit nervous but pretty strong."
Josh Marshall (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/216003.php) says on the issue of Georgia entering NATO Palin merely articulated "the logical inference of McCain & Co.'s unhinged policy vis a vis Russia" - and then has to post an update explaining why this is somehow different from Obama and Biden, both of whom support the same policy.
Kirsten Powers (http://www.nypost.com/seven/09122008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/abcs_bungles_128726.htm) says ABC News and Charlie Gibson botched the interview with questions and editing.
Hugh Hewitt (http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/09/Charles%20Gibson%20threw%20fastballs%20--fair,%20but%20hard%20fastballs--%20and%20Sarah%20Palin%20connected%20on%20every%20 one%20save%20the%20Bush%20Doctrine%20and%20even%20 there%20she%20recovered%20nicely,%20demonstrating% 20a%20poise%20that%20will%20serve%20her%20very%20w ell%20in%20the%20next%2054%20days.) though Gibson was tough but fair, and that Palin responded well on every question except the Bush Doctrine.
Steve Benen (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_09/014676.php) of Washington Monthly wrote: "Gibson exceeded my expectations, asking reasonable, substantive questions, and Palin fell short of my expectations, appearing unprepared, programmed, and generally unaware of current events."
Taylor Marsh's (http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=28388) concise summary: "Review? Lowered expectations going in. Quick study. Holds her own. Point to Palin."
Lanny Davis (http://www.politico.com/arena/) says she passed last night, but the jury remains out: "The question remains: can she avoid the "James Stockdale" moment (which she did tonight--we can say that much) --she didn't say, 'Who am I? What am I doing here?". She did tonight. But if I were the McCain campaign, I'd still be worried that at any time, unexpectedly, Governor Palin might have such a spontaneous moment. And then that could be the turning point."

I don't see how her response to the Bush Doctrine and to the Russia question can be underplayed. The latter was just plain ridiculous, and the former is a question the leader of the free world HAS to know. I mean, just about everyone on this board know what the Bush doctrine is, and this person who wants to be VP does not. You simply can't underplay that.

[socalorado]

I don't see how her response to the Bush Doctrine and to the Russia question can be underplayed. The latter was just plain ridiculous, and the former is a question the leader of the free world HAS to know. I mean, just about everyone on this board know what the Bush doctrine is, and this person who wants to be VP does not. You simply can't underplay that.

Weeeeel, alls the repubs wil resond with, most likely is that obama made the huge gaffe about Russia and not knowing that russia has veto power as a g-6? memeber. So, its kinda a wash, but as for the latest mistake made by a campaign, yeah, it will resonate with the public more for a day or 2.
When does the 2nd part of this thing come out? today?

[Rohirrim]

Can you imagine if McCain died and this woman became president, what Putin would do to her? Can you say "lunch?" I think this pick clearly illustrates to what extent the GOP will go in its devotion to the idea of party over country.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Palin's statements on climate change at odds

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FORT WAINWRIGHT, Alaska - Vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin's assertion that she believes humans play a role in climate change — made in her first major interview since joining the Republican ticket — is at odds with her previous statements.
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However, in the past Palin has said she does not believe global warming is caused by human activity. She has told the Internet news site Newsmax, "A changing environment will affect Alaska more than any other state, because of our location. ... I'm not one, though, who would attribute it to being man-made."

In an interview with a Fairbanks newspaper within the last year, Palin said: "I'm not an Al Gore, doom-and-gloom environmentalist blaming the changes in our climate on human activity." ABC cited the interview as being at odds with her statement.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080912/ap_on_el_pr/palin_interview

[TailgateNut]

I don't see how her response to the Bush Doctrine and to the Russia question can be underplayed. The latter was just plain ridiculous, and the former is a question the leader of the free world HAS to know. I mean, just about everyone on this board know what the Bush doctrine is, and this person who wants to be VP does not. You simply can't underplay that.


But, she's a pretty face who can dress a moose, so she will get the "hunter/gatherer vote" regardless of her lack of intelligence.

[Rohirrim]

But, she's a pretty face who can dress a moose, so she will get the "hunter/gatherer vote" regardless of her lack of intelligence.

You might be surprised. Hunting and fishing groups killed a lot of Bush's efforts to sell out federal lands to lumber and mining interests. They have a vested interest in maintaining healthy habitats. Many of these people have a much keener focus on the environment than most city dwellers, and they see what's going on first hand.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Weeeeel, alls the repubs wil resond with, most likely is that obama made the huge gaffe about Russia and not knowing that russia has veto power as a g-6? memeber.

Obama condemned Russia first. McCain initially waffled. And it is McCain who screwed up his final answer - he actually argued in favor of seeking a UN Security Council resolution! Didn't somebody explain to this bonehead that Russia has veto power on the Council?

BTW, it's G-8 - not G-6.

[TailgateNut]

BTW, it's G-8 - not G-6.


Hilarious!

[socalorado]

Obama condemned Russia first. McCain initially waffled. And it is McCain who screwed up his final answer - he actually argued in favor of seeking a UN Security Council resolution! Didn't somebody explain to this bonehead that Russia has veto power on the Council?

BTW, it's G-8 - not G-6.

Thats why i put a? there. I wasnt sure if it was g-6 or g-8.
Easy.tiger. easy.

It STILL does not change the fact that obama didnt know that russia has veto power. Just saying.
i think palin made a mistake, i said so above, but it was a mistake made in a area that obama has made one as well.
But yeah, a mistake is a mistake, and i expect the pundits to come out at her on this one.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

It STILL does not change the fact that obama didnt know that russia has veto power. Just saying.


Um, actually it was Candidate McCheese who wasn't aware of the fact. :wave:

[socalorado]

Um, actually it was Candidate McCheese who wasn't aware of the fact. :wave:

And obama.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I'm afraid you are misinformed. It was McCain:

How Much Does John McCain Really Know About Foreign Policy? Not as much as he'd like you to think.

By Fred Kaplan
Posted Wednesday, July 23, 2008, at 5:45 PM ET http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/123063/2180764/2194599/080723_WS_mccainTN.jpg (http://www.slate.com/id/2195895/)<label class="caption">John McCain
(http://www.orangemane.com/BB/)</label>After Barack Obama's opening day in Iraq this week, the New York Times headline (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/22/us/politics/22assess.html?scp=9&sq=Obama%20Afghanistan&st=cse) read, "For Obama, a First Step Is Not a Misstep." The story, by Richard Oppel Jr. and Jeff Zeleny, noted, "Mr. Obama seemed to have navigated one of the riskiest parts of a weeklong international trip without a noticeable hitch."
That was the big nail-biter: Would Obama, the first-term senator and foreign-policy newbie, utter an irrevocably damaging gaffe? The nightmare scenarios were endless. Maybe he would refer to "the Iraq-Pakistan border (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC0Y7zMcn_4)," or call the Czech Republic "Czechoslovakia (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/23/us/politics/23mccain.html?scp=1&sq=McCain%20Czechoslovakia%20Czech&st=cse)" (three times), or confuse Sunni with Shiite (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/03/18/a_mccain_gaffe_in_jordan.html), or say that the U.S. troop surge preceded (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/22/eveningnews/main4283813.shtml) (and therefore caused) the Sunni Awakening in Anbar province.
But, of course, it was Obama's opponent, John McCain—the war hero and ranking member of the Senate Armed Services Committee—who uttered these eyebrow-raisers. "Czechoslovakia" was clearly a gaffe, and understandable for anyone who was sentient during the Cold War years. What about the others, though? Were they gaffes—slips of the tongue, blips of momentary fatigue? Or did they reflect lazy thinking, conceptual confusion, a mind frame clouded by clichéd abstractions?
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If Obama had blurted even one of those inanities (especially the one about the Iraq-Pakistan border), the media and the McCain campaign would have been all over him like red ants on a wounded puppy.
McCain caught almost no hell for his statements—they were barely noted in the mainstream press—most likely because they didn't fit the campaign's "narrative." McCain is "experienced" in national-security matters; therefore, if he says something that's dumb or factually wrong, it's a gaffe or he's tired. Obama is "inexperienced," so if he were to go off the rails, it would be a sign of his clear unsuitability for the job of commander in chief.
It may be time to reassess this narrative's premise—or to abandon it altogether and simply examine the evidence before us. Quite apart from the gaffes, in formal prepared speeches (http://www.johnmccain.com/informing/News/Speeches/43e821a2-ad70-495a-83b2-098638e67aeb.htm), McCain has proposed certain actions and policies that raise serious questions about his suitability for the highest office. As president, he has said, he would boot Russia out of the G-8 on the grounds that its leaders don't share the West's values. He would form an international "League of Democracy" as a united front against the forces of autocracy and terror. And though it's not exactly a stated policy, he continues to employ as his foreign-policy adviser an outspoken, second-tier neoconservative named Randy Scheunemann, who coined the term "rogue-state rollback (http://www.carnegieendowment.org/publications/index.cfm?fa=view&id=18768&prog=zgp&proj=zusr)" and still prescribes it as sound policy.
Evicting Russia from the group of eight leading industrial nations may have some visceral appeal, but it has at least two drawbacks. First, all the G-8's other members are opposed to the notion. Second, the main issues that concern the G-8—for instance, climate change, energy policy, nuclear nonproliferation, and counterterrorism—cannot be fully addressed without Russia's participation.
The idea of a League of Democracy has a nice ring, especially given the United Nations' frequent obstructionism in the face of human misery and common danger. The obstructionism stems in part from vetoes by Russia or China, which, of course, would not be members of this league. But there are a few problems here as well. First, democratic nations often differ on high-profile issues (e.g., the invasion of Iraq, the rules of engagement in Afghanistan, the Kyoto Treaty, etc.). Second, very few of the world's pressing problems break down along the lines of democracies vs. nondemocracies, either by topic or constituency. Third, creating such an overtly ideological bloc as a central tool of foreign policy would only alienate the excluded nations—and possibly incite them to form an opposing bloc. The challenge is to find common solutions to global problems, not to encumber them in a new Cold War.
As for rolling back rogue states, one would hope that McCain has learned some lessons from George W. Bush's failures as even Bush himself has done, albeit belatedly—for instance, in deciding to negotiate with the North Koreans (though not until after they tested an atomic bomb). Someone should ask McCain: Would he cut off those talks? Does he value Scheunemann's advice? If so, which rogues does he hope to topple next, and with whose army does he plan to do it? (Ours is overbooked at the moment.)
In other words, how much does John McCain really know about foreign policy after all? It's a question to be asked and answered, not brushed away as impertinent.


http://www.slate.com/id/2195865/

[Rohirrim]

McCain caught almost no hell for his statements—they were barely noted in the mainstream press—most likely because they didn't fit the campaign's "narrative." McCain is "experienced" in national-security matters; therefore, if he says something that's dumb or factually wrong, it's a gaffe or he's tired. Obama is "inexperienced," so if he were to go off the rails, it would be a sign of his clear unsuitability for the job of commander in chief.

This explains, better than anything else, why Obama needs to be so guarded in every interaction he has with the media and why he is so careful when choosing his words. McCain is getting a free ride. Obama knows that every time he speaks, the media are sharpening their knives.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Is Palin ready to tackle foreign policy on her own? Hell no. Let's be honest, she failed the 'International' part of Gibson's inquisition. The fact that 48 out of 50 sitting governors would likely be in the same boat aside, it's clear what her weakness is now.

[socalorado]

I'm afraid you are misinformed. It was McCain:

How Much Does John McCain Really Know About Foreign Policy? Not as much as he'd like you to think.

By Fred Kaplan
Posted Wednesday, July 23, 2008, at 5:45 PM ET http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/123063/2180764/2194599/080723_WS_mccainTN.jpg (http://www.slate.com/id/2195895/)<label class="caption">John McCain
(http://www.orangemane.com/BB/)</label>After Barack Obama's opening day in Iraq this week, the New York Times headline (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/22/us/politics/22assess.html?scp=9&sq=Obama%20Afghanistan&st=cse) read, "For Obama, a First Step Is Not a Misstep." The story, by Richard Oppel Jr. and Jeff Zeleny, noted, "Mr. Obama seemed to have navigated one of the riskiest parts of a weeklong international trip without a noticeable hitch."
That was the big nail-biter: Would Obama, the first-term senator and foreign-policy newbie, utter an irrevocably damaging gaffe? The nightmare scenarios were endless. Maybe he would refer to "the Iraq-Pakistan border (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC0Y7zMcn_4)," or call the Czech Republic "Czechoslovakia (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/23/us/politics/23mccain.html?scp=1&sq=McCain%20Czechoslovakia%20Czech&st=cse)" (three times), or confuse Sunni with Shiite (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/03/18/a_mccain_gaffe_in_jordan.html), or say that the U.S. troop surge preceded (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/22/eveningnews/main4283813.shtml) (and therefore caused) the Sunni Awakening in Anbar province.
But, of course, it was Obama's opponent, John McCain—the war hero and ranking member of the Senate Armed Services Committee—who uttered these eyebrow-raisers. "Czechoslovakia" was clearly a gaffe, and understandable for anyone who was sentient during the Cold War years. What about the others, though? Were they gaffes—slips of the tongue, blips of momentary fatigue? Or did they reflect lazy thinking, conceptual confusion, a mind frame clouded by clichéd abstractions?
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If Obama had blurted even one of those inanities (especially the one about the Iraq-Pakistan border), the media and the McCain campaign would have been all over him like red ants on a wounded puppy.
McCain caught almost no hell for his statements—they were barely noted in the mainstream press—most likely because they didn't fit the campaign's "narrative." McCain is "experienced" in national-security matters; therefore, if he says something that's dumb or factually wrong, it's a gaffe or he's tired. Obama is "inexperienced," so if he were to go off the rails, it would be a sign of his clear unsuitability for the job of commander in chief.
It may be time to reassess this narrative's premise—or to abandon it altogether and simply examine the evidence before us. Quite apart from the gaffes, in formal prepared speeches (http://www.johnmccain.com/informing/News/Speeches/43e821a2-ad70-495a-83b2-098638e67aeb.htm), McCain has proposed certain actions and policies that raise serious questions about his suitability for the highest office. As president, he has said, he would boot Russia out of the G-8 on the grounds that its leaders don't share the West's values. He would form an international "League of Democracy" as a united front against the forces of autocracy and terror. And though it's not exactly a stated policy, he continues to employ as his foreign-policy adviser an outspoken, second-tier neoconservative named Randy Scheunemann, who coined the term "rogue-state rollback (http://www.carnegieendowment.org/publications/index.cfm?fa=view&id=18768&prog=zgp&proj=zusr)" and still prescribes it as sound policy.
Evicting Russia from the group of eight leading industrial nations may have some visceral appeal, but it has at least two drawbacks. First, all the G-8's other members are opposed to the notion. Second, the main issues that concern the G-8—for instance, climate change, energy policy, nuclear nonproliferation, and counterterrorism—cannot be fully addressed without Russia's participation.
The idea of a League of Democracy has a nice ring, especially given the United Nations' frequent obstructionism in the face of human misery and common danger. The obstructionism stems in part from vetoes by Russia or China, which, of course, would not be members of this league. But there are a few problems here as well. First, democratic nations often differ on high-profile issues (e.g., the invasion of Iraq, the rules of engagement in Afghanistan, the Kyoto Treaty, etc.). Second, very few of the world's pressing problems break down along the lines of democracies vs. nondemocracies, either by topic or constituency. Third, creating such an overtly ideological bloc as a central tool of foreign policy would only alienate the excluded nations—and possibly incite them to form an opposing bloc. The challenge is to find common solutions to global problems, not to encumber them in a new Cold War.
As for rolling back rogue states, one would hope that McCain has learned some lessons from George W. Bush's failures as even Bush himself has done, albeit belatedly—for instance, in deciding to negotiate with the North Koreans (though not until after they tested an atomic bomb). Someone should ask McCain: Would he cut off those talks? Does he value Scheunemann's advice? If so, which rogues does he hope to topple next, and with whose army does he plan to do it? (Ours is overbooked at the moment.)
In other words, how much does John McCain really know about foreign policy after all? It's a question to be asked and answered, not brushed away as impertinent.


http://www.slate.com/id/2195865/

Obama made the mistake.

[sisterhellfyre]

I think McCain made a extremely poor choice for his VP.

Well... I won't call her a compleat idiot, but that's only because nobody's perfect.

Regards,
m.

[socalorado]

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1840710-1,00.html
How Did Palin Do? Two Views
By NANCY GIBBS
On a day when people paused and prayed, when Barack Obama joined John McCain at ground zero and made peace with Bill Clinton over lunch, when the ads were stilled and the e-mails sheathed just for a while, GOP vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin (http://www.time.com/time/topics/sarah-palin/0,30939,,00.html) held a peace conference of her own with the mainstream media when she sat down with ABC News anchor Charles Gibson in Fairbanks, Alaska.
<!--END SPHERE INLINE SIDEBAR MODULE--><!-- End Article Side Bar Copy -->Gibson, gentleman journalist, was not about to field-dress Palin before a national television audience, but at times he seemed to be trying. They were sitting practically toe-to-toe, and there was no forced conviviality. From the very beginning, he pushed her on her credentials, her experience, her "hubris" in thinking she was qualified (http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1840388,00.html) to be Vice President. "I'm ready," she shot back, and when he asked again whether she had hesitated at all before accepting McCain's offer of a place on the ticket, she made it clear that her son was not the only one heading off to war. "You can't blink," she said. "You have to be wired in a way, of being so committed to the mission, the mission that we're on, reform of this country and victory in the war — you can't blink."



She parried questions like a fencer. Pressed about her lack of foreign policy experience, she pivoted to her work on oil and gas policy, calling energy "a foundation of national security." Asked if she'd ever traveled outside the country before her trip last year to Kuwait to visit U.S. soldiers, she spun around to call it a trip of a lifetime, since it also included visits with wounded soldiers in Germany — a stop the McCain campaign repeatedly charged Obama with refusing to make during his trip overseas in July. Asked if she'd ever met a head of state, she raised her unshaken hand like a badge of honor: "We've got to remember what the desire is in this nation at this time," she said. "It is for no more politics as usual and somebody's big fat resume maybe that shows decades and decades in that Washington establishment where, yeah, they've had opportunity to meet heads of state."
Gibson probed her views of war and peace and the balance between them, and this is where the ice got a little thin. His question about her willingness to defend Georgia from Russia, even if it meant going to war, did allow her to mention that she'd spoken to President Saakashvili to assure him of her support. Gibson pressed her on how she would view Israel attacking Iran's nuclear facilities. "I don't think that we should second-guess the measures Israel has to take to defend themselves and for their security," she replied. Again Gibson asked, Does that mean you would approve an Israeli attack on Iran?
"I don't think we can second-guess what Israel has to do to secure its nation." And again he asked, and again she declined to "second-guess."
So Gibson reshuffled the deck and cast the U.S. as the pre-emptive invader. In asking Palin whether she agreed with the Bush Doctrine, he was actually asking whether she knew what it was. There followed a long pause. But when he asked specifically whether the U.S. had the right to invade Pakistan in pursuit of suspected terrorists, she didn't hold back. "In order to stop Islamic extremists, we must do whatever it takes; and we must not blink, Charlie, in making those tough decisions of where we go and even who we target."
At the end of the broadcast, which came on the day Palin's eldest son Track attended his deployment ceremony to head to Iraq, Gibson asked about statements she had made in her church, when she called on members to pray that the Iraq war is "a task that is from God."
"Are we fighting a holy war?" Gibson asked. Palin suggested that she was invoking not Pat Robertson but Abraham Lincoln. "I would never presume to know God's will," she said. Her model, rather, was a Lincoln assertion: "Let us not pray that God is on our side, in a war or any other time, but let us pray that we are on God's side. That's what that comment was all about, Charlie." And she expressed her pride in "my firstborn, my son, my teenage son," who had made the decision to go fight for his country rather than taking an easier or safer or more comfortable path. "I don't know if the task is from God, Charlie," she said — a striking note of humility after all the certainty that had gone before.

By JAMES PONIEWOZIK
For the past few days, the entire world has been offering Charles Gibson unsolicited advice on how to interview Sarah Palin. I've done enough bad interviews in my day that I can hardly imagine handling one in front of an audience of a million kibitzers. So I'll spare you (and Gibson) my two cents on which followup I would have asked here and how I would have phrased this question there.
In all, Gibson's first interview with Palin proved wrong those who thought either that he would offer up a volley of softballs, or spring a name-the-heads-of-state quiz to try to gin up embarrassing moments. (Of course, the World News segment was on foreign policy, so it didn't provide much opportunity to get into hot-button campaign questions; he still has another day to bring up "lipstick on a pig" if he chooses to.) Instead, Gibson interviewed her — imagine this — the way you might a candidate for Vice President whom people still know very little about.
The one thing that strikes me is that the interview comes off much different if you read the transcript than if you watch the video. On the page, it's pretty unremarkable, even the quotes that are being picked up on the political blogs. (Palin talking about the possibility of war with Russia may have been hawkishly phrased, but it was essentially just stating a NATO treaty obligation; she didn't appear to know what "the Bush Doctrine" meant, but her agreement with the principles of the doctrine was unsurprising.)
On the screen, it was much different; the real information, it seemed was in the tone and manner of the exchange. (On the transcript, Palin's attempt at defining the Doctrine was "His worldview." On the screen, it was, "His worldview?" — with a hint of a challenge in it.) She injected "Charlie" into her answers constantly, as if trying to draw him in; he kept a distanced and almost curt manner, following up briskly and often. After a few followups to his question on whether the U.S. had the right to invade Pakistan to pursue terrorist leaders, he asked bluntly, "I got lost in a blizzard of words there. Is that a yes?"
Palin seemed eager and defensive in some answers, more comfortable in others. (The former, for instance, when trying to steer a question about foreign policy toward an answer about oil and energy policy; the latter when talking about, well, oil and energy policy.) She made a point of answering quickly and resolutely even if resorting to boilerplate, as if her mantra for the interview was — as she said twice if she had any doubts about her readiness to be Vice President (or President) — "You can't blink."
I don't pretend to know whether more people will see her as nervous and unready or refreshing and outsiderish (or see him as firm or contemptuous). But either way, it was definitely a different interview tonally than you would have gotten from, as she said, someone with a "big, fat resume."
The most interesting aspect of the interview was/is its format; Gibson is interviewing her in three installments, after the first round of the interview has already aired. Theoretically, this will allow Gibson to adjust his questions — and her to strategize her answers — based on seeing the interview play back. It's like a sped-up version of Nixon and Frost.
And if there's one thing they have in Alaska, it's frost. And blizzards of words.

[socalorado]

Well... I won't call her a compleat idiot, but that's only because nobody's perfect.

Regards,
m.

Check this out.
As of today after the interview.
I would have thought the opposite.

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows John McCain up by three points, his largest lead since Obama wrapped up the Democratic Presidential Nomination. For most of the past several months, Obama has held a modest lead with McCain slipping ahead by a single point on just three of the past hundred days.

McCain now attracts 48% of the vote while Obama earns 45%. When "leaners" are included, it’s McCain 49%, Obama 46%. Yesterday, the candidates were tied (see recent daily results). Tracking Poll results are released at 9:30 a.m. Eastern Time each day and a FREE daily e-mail update is available.
Electoral College: Obama 193 McCain 189.

[Rohirrim]

There's an odd juxtaposition here. When they sell McCain they're using his "big, fat resume" as a good thing. When they are selling Palin, the lack of a "big, fat resume" is meaningless ;D

[TailgateNut]

Check this out.
As of today after the interview.

Electoral College: Obama 193 McCain 189.


NICE!!!

[ghwk]

GIBSON: Governor, let me start by asking you a question that I asked John McCain about you, and it is really the central question. Can you look the country in the eye and say "I have the experience and I have the ability to be not just vice president, but perhaps president of the United States of America?"

PALIN: I do, Charlie, and on January 20, when John McCain and I are sworn in, if we are so privileged to be elected to serve this country, will be ready. I'm ready.

GIBSON: And you didn't say to yourself, "Am I experienced enough? Am I ready? Do I know enough about international affairs? Do I -- will I feel comfortable enough on the national stage to do this?"

PALIN: I didn't hesitate, no.

GIBSON: Didn't that take some hubris?

PALIN: I -- I answered him yes because I have the confidence in that readiness and knowing that you can't blink, you have to be wired in a way of being so committed to the mission, the mission that we're on, reform of this country and victory in the war, you can't blink.
So I didn't blink then even when asked to run as his running mate.

GIBSON: But this is not just reforming a government. This is also running a government on the huge international stage in a very dangerous world. When I asked John McCain about your national security credentials, he cited the fact that you have commanded the Alaskan National Guard and that Alaska is close to Russia. Are those sufficient credentials?

PALIN: But it is about reform of government and it's about putting government back on the side of the people, and that has much to do with foreign policy and national security issues Let me speak specifically about a credential that I do bring to this table, Charlie, and that's with the energy independence that I've been working on for these years as the governor of this state that produces nearly 20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy, that I worked on as chairman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, overseeing the oil and gas development in our state to produce more for the United States.



Well if you ever needed proof that those who were not at the front of the line when brains were handed out are truly unaware that they were towards the end of the line this is it. And if you are unable to see that don't worry about it, you weren't towards the front of the line either.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I don't know how commentators are claiming "she held her own" I thought she was horrible. Her response claiming proximity of russia gives her insight into russian politics is LAUGHABLE (i can see downtown LA from my rooftop, but i dont know **** about banking), not knowing the monroe doctrine was inexcusable, and her ability to dodge a question isn't exactly a great quality.

This publicity stunt needs to stop. She's vastly unqualified for this position and putting her in office is downright dangerous. This is not to say she's a bad PERSON, but come on.

[Rohirrim]

I don't know how commentators are claiming "she held her own" I thought she was horrible. Her response claiming proximity of russia gives her insight into russian politics is LAUGHABLE (i can see downtown LA from my rooftop, but i dont know **** about banking), not knowing the monroe doctrine was inexcusable, and her ability to dodge a question isn't exactly a great quality.

This publicity stunt needs to stop. She's vastly unqualified for this position and putting her in office is downright dangerous. This is not to say she's a bad PERSON, but come on.

Everybody I've talked to had the same response: Sounded like a beauty pageant contestant.

[TailgateNut]

Everybody I've talked to had the same response: Sounded like a beauty pageant contestant.

Everyone but the righties on this board who still view her as the next best thing to sliced bread.

[ghwk]

Can you imagine if McCain died and this woman became president, what Putin would do to her? Can you say "lunch?" I think this pick clearly illustrates to what extent the GOP will go in its devotion to the idea of party over country.

That makes the assumption that she would actually be in control of anything. She won't. She is so dependant on party handlers that she pretty much will be a talking head only. McCain will die 1.5 years into office if elected, the party elite will see to that. They want this woman to be Pres. Her they know they can control.

[Garcia Bronco]

I wouldn't say being close to Russia gives her foreign policy expertise, it does however give her prespective that people in say LA don't have with regard to Russia. She does however have executive experience, aka decision making experience for large groups of people

So Son, you may not know th e fine points of banking, but you do understand what they do, how they generally operate, and I feel confident you could find your way to a bank branch and request their services. So you do know something about banking.

[socalorado]

Everyone but the righties on this board who still view her as the next best thing to sliced bread.

Thats why i posted the CNN/TIME opinions.
No where did they say she was HORRIBLE, or she flat out is not prepared to be VP.
Many of those exact same comments were endlessly posed in regards to obama.
I dont think she did particulary well in the interview, but i dont think it really matters either. As long as she doesnt go too far with the questions, (which many say Gibson was attempting to do) she will continue to gain support.
The polls have gone even farther towards McCain.
Thats weird to me.
You say everyone will figure her out, except the righties, but as of right now she has actually ATTRACTED more righties!!! WEIRD TO ME TOO!!!
How is that?!?!? MILF POWER dude, MILF POWER. unreal.

[TailgateNut]

Thats why i posted the CNN/TIME opinions.
No where did they say she was HORRIBLE, or she flat out is not prepared to be VP.
Many of those exact same comments were endlessly posed in regards to obama.
I dont think she did particulary well in the interview, but i dont think it really matters either. As long as she doesnt go too far with the questions, (which many say Gibson was attempting to do) she will continue to gain support.
The polls have gone even farther towards McCain.
Thats weird to me.
You say everyone will figure her out, except the righties, but as of right now she has actually ATTRACTED more righties!!! WEIRD TO ME TOO!!!
How is that?!?!? MILF POWER dude, MILF POWER. unreal.


The righties are acting as they always do. Just like a gaggle of canadian geese. One leads and the rest follow.

[The Lone Bolt]

Palin's interview was IMO unimpressive to say the least. Not all of her answers were clueless but to not know that the "Bush Doctrine" means preemptive strike is pretty bad.

The repubs will have to work to fix this. Palin's image as a "hockey mom" so far has worked in her favor, but last night I think it worked against her. They will need to start coaching her and pronto!

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I wouldn't say being close to Russia gives her foreign policy expertise, it does however give her prespective that people in say LA don't have with regard to Russia. She does however have executive experience, aka decision making experience for large groups of people

So Son, you may not know th e fine points of banking, but you do understand what they do, how they generally operate, and I feel confident you could find your way to a bank branch and request their services. So you do know something about banking.

Unfortunately thats about all i know about banking. I'm not saying Palin would get every 100 dollar question on Jeopardy wrong regarding foriegn policy, i'm saying she doesn't know nearly enough to be PRESIDENT.

To extend your analogy, if I go to the bank and request their services, I'd expect them to be competent enough to do the job. Who will she turn to? She's the decision maker.

[Garcia Bronco]

Unfortunately thats about all i know about banking. I'm not saying Palin would get every 100 dollar question on Jeopardy wrong regarding foriegn policy, i'm saying she doesn't know nearly enough to be PRESIDENT.

To extend your analogy, if I go to the bank and request their services, I'd expect them to be competent enough to do the job. Who will she turn to? She's the decision maker.

It's hard to say. Any President has specific experts, just like Obama has on his staff.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

It's hard to say. Any President has specific experts, just like Obama has on his staff.

Right, but the last call is still the presidents and the president should have a CLEAR understanding and know how...if not, why even have her there at all if other people are gonna make the decisions anyway

[Garcia Bronco]

Right, but the last call is still the presidents and the president should have a CLEAR understanding and know how...if not, why even have her there at all if other people are gonna make the decisions anyway

Have you ever led any group in a management situation? You hire people that you'll listen to and be a part of a team. I have yet to see an organization that works well and has a leader that doesn't listen to the team. In Fact, I have only see this senario twice and it fails miserably

[DomCasual]

No -- it will not be the type of interviews that Obama has received by the media (minus the Leperchaun's interview.) Actually I thought Obama was asked some of the right questions, but I didnt like the Leperchaun's rudeness/in your face approach -- just ask the questions -- your not running from president Bill.

Anyway, she will not be raked over the coals as badly as we have seen over the past few weeks (I know that is the standard the left has been used to with conservatives) so if he doesnt start with "Bi*** where is the DNA proof you are the mother of that bastard baby?" you might think it is filled with "softballs." The truth is she will be asked more "got-ya" questions -- including those about her faith, whcih will attempt to imply she is evil/stupid for believing in God and actually saying the "G" word in public.

I'm not sure why Obama agreed to do an interview with that dumbass.

[BroncoInferno]

I'm not sure why Obama agreed to do an interview with that dumbass.

Probably to show people he isn't afraid to take on the bullies. I thought did OK given the stacked deck against him.

[socalorado]

I'm not sure why Obama agreed to do an interview with that dumbass.

Bad move by him.
You may not like bill, but hes good at what he does, and he just absolutely hammered him to the point where we could clearly see obamas frustration.
The church "debate" (whatever) was a bad idea as well.
These repubs have used theses interviews to really chop him down recently.
obama should not listen to himself when it comes to these offers to do a interview with a far right, indy, whatever he is, repub guy.
It just backfires for him.
Palin managed to get out of really, really blowing it because it was the 1st interview. There was nothing to go off of really.
O'liely had a TON of ammo and it was loaded and ready.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Have you ever led any group in a management situation? You hire people that you'll listen to and be a part of a team. I have yet to see an organization that works well and has a leader that doesn't listen to the team. In Fact, I have only see this senario twice and it fails miserably

I'm not denying that, i think groupthink is always better than a singular leader. I'm saying having a good group around you doesnt necessarily give you a pass if you are inept...which she seems to be.

[Pseudofool]

Obama did well for what O'Reilly represents. It was Papa Bear respects Obama a lot, and allowed Obama to even talk over him a few times...

Palin on the other hand, well, let's just say it's hard to believe she's even the governor of a state...

[Bob]

I don't know how commentators are claiming "she held her own" I thought she was horrible. Her response claiming proximity of russia gives her insight into russian politics is LAUGHABLE (i can see downtown LA from my rooftop, but i dont know **** about banking), not knowing the monroe doctrine was inexcusable, and her ability to dodge a question isn't exactly a great quality.

This publicity stunt needs to stop. She's vastly unqualified for this position and putting her in office is downright dangerous. This is not to say she's a bad PERSON, but come on.

I think if she would have done well -- you would not allow yourself to admitt it as you would not like her answers... do you think she gave a good acceptance speech?

I think she was not aware of what Gibson meant by referring to the Monroe Doctrine as "the Bush Boctrine." -- its like saying the Iraq war is Bushes war, when last time I check Bush wasnt there carrying an M-16 killing terrorists....so was she more guilty of not being familair with lame-ass liberal terminology?

[Bob]

I'm not sure why Obama agreed to do an interview with that dumbass.

Well my hats off to Obama for doing it...it takes guts to talk with someone who is not going to be a cheerleader. Palin will have to interview with those that are as idologically left leaning as Bill is right (likely for teh next 8 years) -- the only difference is that Gibson was not rude, pointing his finger and blatantly angry.

[Bob]

Probably to show people he isn't afraid to take on the bullies. I thought did OK given the stacked deck against him.

Its what happens with almost every interview that those on the right have to deal with...setting traps to have "got-yah" moments. I dont think that Obama does as well in unscripted moments, but agree he did ok -- I am conservative, and didnt like Bill's approach...

[Bob]

Why are YOU so certain? You're the one whose opinion has no basis. This was her first interview, so how can you be so sure she will handle hard questions so well? (Sinking in? PLEASE tell me you get this.)

Something is indeed strange about how they kept her away from the media for so long ... she generated excitement at the convention, and the smart move would have been to put her in front of every camera possible to expand the convention bump. And yet she's been nowhere. That is VERY plausible reason to believe she's not ready for prime time.

And indeed, she apparently she did not know what the Bush Doctrine is. That's sad ... McCain is a 72 year-old cancer survivor. A running mate who's ready to be president should have been a top priority, and yet he chose somebody who does not appear to be ready for the big stage. The next 54 days will be fun to watch ... I'm betting there will be numerous Quayle-like gaffes.

I saw the interview, and would give her an 83%...

I am familair with what the Monroe Doctrine was, but did not know that the left re-named it...I wish she had been more blunt on that response -- I wished she would have had said, "Oh, I didnt realize that media had renamed the Monroe Doctrine -- I know it may be an extreem notion by some, that we have the right to protect ourselves from eminent attack but yes -- if we have actionable intelligence we have a responsibility to protect our citizens.

On 911 if you knew that crossing over a foriegn border to bomb some training site would have prevented that day -- would you have the charicter to act, or whould your wring your hands and wait for UN approval?" But as Michael Savage is not running... I guess we wont hear that type of straight answer.

[Bob]

Awwww. Feeling a little defensive?

Funny that the right has to rely on unaffiliated news personalities and bloggers to show the "dirt" coming from the left.

Meanwhile you can look at a half dozen commercials from McCain's campaign that use twisted quotes, half-truths, and outright lies to smear Obama.

Have the intellectual honesty to admit lies on both sides, which are bound to become more intense as this is close -- McCain and Palin have been moving up in most polls -- so none of this surprises me. Again, actually the website I referred to is good at refuting sevarl of McCains's misrepresentations of Obama.

[Bob]

That's why Caribou Barbie is the darling of every right-wing mouth breather who has never taken a college course and feels nothing but contempt for anyone who has.

Voting for vacuous bobble heads like Bush and Palin is their way of striking back at those "elitists" (read: people who made it past the fifth grade.)

What level of education have you attained? Unless your an MD, Ive got ya beat.... you are sounding like Obama...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

What level of education have you attained? Unless your(sic) an MD, Ive got ya beat.... you are sounding like Obama...

I've attained the level where you learn the difference between "you're" and "your." :welcome:

[MO<1>]

That's why Caribou Barbie is the darling of every right-wing mouth breather who has never taken a college course and feels nothing but contempt for anyone who has.

Voting for vacuous bobble heads like Bush and Palin is their way of striking back at those "elitists" (read: people who made it past the fifth grade.)

She graduated from Idaho State. Where did you go to school and why do you have such contempt for people who cannot afford to go to college or chose a different path? Didn't Bush go to Yale?

In fact, this is the first Election since Reagan that one of the canidates did not go to Yale. I guess you think state schools are not real colleges? Please explain what how you reached this warped conclusion and slandered millions of voters.

[TheDave]

What level of education have you attained? Unless your an MD, Ive got ya beat.... you are sounding like Obama...

Just out of curiousity what does your educational hierachy look like...

5th Grade-








MD-

Just curious...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Everyone but the righties on this board who still view her as the next best thing to sliced bread.

You will recall how these same half-wits did the same thing for GeeDubya when Bush first appeared on the national stage and the rest of the country was shaking its collective head in disbelief each time GeeDubya opened his mouth and tried to speak in complete sentences.

If their '08 ticket was Satan/Dahmer, these people would still vote GOP - it's always all about party before country and brand loyalty.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Just out of curiousity what does your educational hierachy look like...

5th Grade-








MD-

Just curious...

:giggle:

[MO<1>]

:giggle:

Seems like you don't understand college. Do you want to talk about plagiarism and Biden again, or do you want to explain how Idaho State isn't a college?Hilarious!

[The Lone Bolt]

Seems like you don't understand college. Do you want to talk about plagiarism and Biden again, or do you want to explain how Idaho State isn't a college?Hilarious!

Actually she graduated from the University of Idaho.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

Oddly enough I did my practicum training there.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Actually she graduated from the University of Idaho.


After how many tries at how many different colleges?

[Bronco Bob]

After how many tries at how many different colleges?


In 1984, Palin won the Miss Wasilla Pageant, then finished third (second runner-up) in the Miss Alaska pageant,
at which she won a college scholarship and the "Miss Congeniality" award.
Palin admits to trying cannabis during the time Alaska had decriminalized possession, though she says she did not enjoy it.

Palin spent her first college semester at Hawaii Pacific College, transferring in 1983 to North Idaho College and then to the University of Idaho.
She attended Matanuska-Susitna College in Alaska for one term, returning to the University of Idaho to complete her Bachelor of Science degree
in communications-journalism, graduating in 1987.


*Ironic that someone who majored in communications and journalism is terrified of being interviewed by the press.

** To answer your question, by my count that's 5 tries at 4 different schools to get a 4 year degree.

[MO<1>]

After how many tries at how many different colleges?

First he says no colleges, then he says many colleges. I sure hope all Obama supporters understand the difference between high school and college.

[MO<1>]

Actually she graduated from the University of Idaho.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

Oddly enough I did my practicum training there.

Bolt, you are pretty smart for catching it! I guess that means I'm not her biographer, just knew somewhere in Idaho. How about those Broncos!:thumbsup:

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I've attained the level where you learn the difference between "you're" and "your." :welcome:Ooooops! Damn Bob, that looks really, really bad when you are trying to hand out education smack.

[sutoazul]

Have you ever led any group in a management situation? You hire people that you'll listen to and be a part of a team. I have yet to see an organization that works well and has a leader that doesn't listen to the team. In Fact, I have only see this senario twice and it fails miserably

Have you ever seen (or heard) an efective management group that the leader hardly knew anything about a extremely important areas of the company/organization??

The director or "leader" of the group needs to have a good foundation in order to keep a "gabinet" or a group of directors in check.

So Garcia, you're saying that it doesn't matter who we choose since it is still a group of directors (gabinet or adivsors whoever) that make the final decisions?? Is that really what you are implying??

[Drek]

Have the intellectual honesty to admit lies on both sides, which are bound to become more intense as this is close -- McCain and Palin have been moving up in most polls -- so none of this surprises me. Again, actually the website I referred to is good at refuting sevarl of McCains's misrepresentations of Obama.

I'm all about intellectual honesty.

I broke down the difference in honesty within this campaign in another thread using an entirely non-partisan source (Politifact) not so long ago.

What me to dig it up? Pretty interesting how McCain has told over 20% more falsehoods than Obama, that his side is the only one to tell outright lies that a 10 year old could fact check, and that more often than not his falsities are aimed at attacking Obama whereas Obama's are not.

One side has pretty close to monopolized the mud slinging and underhanded attacks of this election. And McCain just yesterday tried playing it off as though he only ok'ed such sleaze because Obama wouldn't do the town halls with him. Talk about a bitch move.

[sisterhellfyre]

I am familair with what the Monroe Doctrine was, but did not know that the left re-named it...

So sorry, Bob, but the "left" didn't rename the Monroe Doctrine. That's the one that says, basically, our hemisphere is our territory. This half of the world is ours.

The Bush Doctrine is the argument that we have the right to pre-emptively attack anyone who we believe be a threat to us.

Big difference, no? :-)

Regards,
m.

[BroncoInferno]

So sorry, Bob, but the "left" didn't rename the Monroe Doctrine. That's the one that says, basically, our hemisphere is our territory. This half of the world is ours.

The Bush Doctrine is the argument that we have the right to pre-emptively attack anyone who we believe be a threat to us.

Big difference, no? :-)

Regards,
m.

Very telling that the Rethugs VP candidate has the same level of political knowledge as a nincompoop like Bob, isn't it?

[Bronco X]

I'm amazed that half this country is so comfortable with a person who is so clearly ill informed about relevant issues being a VP who is next in line to be president. I mean, 90% these people if you were to discuss this as a job interview would be all for asking difficult questions and eliminating from consideration someone who clearly showed they were not informed enough to handle the job. Why does the frakin' VICE PRESIDENCY warrant less scrutiny than someone would give to hiring a gardener? It's appalling.

[davidtkd]

So sorry, Bob, but the "left" didn't rename the Monroe Doctrine. That's the one that says, basically, our hemisphere is our territory. This half of the world is ours.

The Bush Doctrine is the argument that we have the right to pre-emptively attack anyone who we believe be a threat to us.

Big difference, no? :-)

Regards,
m.

And the phrase "Bush Doctrine" was used here: http://edition.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/time/2001/03/05/doctrine.html by conservative writer Charles Krauthammer in 2001. So unless the left have themselves a "way back machine"...

[sisterhellfyre]

Very telling that the Rethugs VP candidate has the same level of political knowledge as a nincompoop like Bob, isn't it?

Ya know, Inferno, I wasn't going to go there, but I've been trying to back off the level of flame and personal insult in my posts. I've just gotten tired of the neverending pissing matches 'round here, and so I'm trying not to contribute to them any more.

Regards,
m.

(Not that cussing and discussing things on a message board really *adds* all that much to the real world political discussion, but on occasion I've found new ideas or new information that I hadn't considered before, so the board has expanded my horizons just a bit.)

[BroncoInferno]

Ya know, Inferno, I wasn't going to go there, but I've been trying to back off the level of flame and personal insult in my posts. I've just gotten tired of the neverending pissing matches 'round here, and so I'm trying not to contribute to them any more.

Regards,
m.

(Not that cussing and discussing things on a message board really *adds* all that much to the real world political discussion, but on occasion I've found new ideas or new information that I hadn't considered before, so the board has expanded my horizons just a bit.)

Fair enough, I simply find it difficult to tolerate willfull ignorance. It is frustrating.

[Spider]

Ya know, Inferno, I wasn't going to go there, but I've been trying to back off the level of flame and personal insult in my posts. I've just gotten tired of the neverending pissing matches 'round here, and so I'm trying not to contribute to them any more.

Regards,
m.

(Not that cussing and discussing things on a message board really *adds* all that much to the real world political discussion, but on occasion I've found new ideas or new information that I hadn't considered before, so the board has expanded my horizons just a bit.)

well everytime a republican post , I am insulted ..........

[ScottXray]

And the phrase "Bush Doctrine" was used here: http://edition.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/time/2001/03/05/doctrine.html by conservative writer Charles Krauthammer in 2001. So unless the left have themselves a "way back machine"...


Lets see...we told the Russkies to F*** off about missile defenses....the genesis ,according to the article, of the Bush doctrine.

A few weeks back, and since, we see the result of that in Georgia.

The "Putin "doctrine? F*** off yourself! We got the oil and gas that europe needs. Go ahead and bitch and moan.

This is a real improvement in international relations with the Russians , NO?

Actually Clintons desire of expanding Nato started this, but Bush has continued and even expanded it. I think the cold war is starting up again...except this time the Russians hold most of the current cards.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Fair enough, I simply find it difficult to tolerate willfull ignorance. It is frustrating.

+1

Especially when all of us have to live with the consequences of said willful ignorance.